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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode and today

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Speaker 1: on the show, we're talking guns season. And to do that,

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Speaker 1: I'm first joined by my father to discuss our gun

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Speaker 1: hunting traditions. And then I'm going to be met with

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Speaker 1: Adam Weatherby and Kevin Welkerson to discuss firearm hunting gear setting,

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Speaker 1: an ethical max range, becoming a better marksman, and much more.

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Speaker 1: And now welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Onyx. And as I just mentioned, today's

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Speaker 1: episode is all about guns season. You know, many states

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Speaker 1: across the country right about now, give or take, have

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Speaker 1: or will be soon opening their firearms seasons for deer

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Speaker 1: and other species. So for many of us, this time

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Speaker 1: of season is all about a shift. You know, hunting

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Speaker 1: tactics change, gear choices change, dear behavior changes, and hunting

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Speaker 1: goals changed. So you know, all these changes, all these shifts,

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Speaker 1: that's what i want to talk about today. So first

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing on my father for our intro conversation. We

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Speaker 1: want to kind of talk about the history, the culture,

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Speaker 1: and the traditions of what guns season and gun hunting

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Speaker 1: means in my family. Now, we're just fresh off of

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Speaker 1: our first gun hunt of the season together, my dad

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Speaker 1: and I up at our Northern Michigan deer camp Ken

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Speaker 1: Ravan as we call that, So we're gonna talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Once we wrap that up, then we're gonna kick it

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Speaker 1: over to an earlier conversation I had with Adam Weatherby

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Speaker 1: and Kevin Wilkerson from weather Be Inc. To discuss all

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Speaker 1: sorts of more contactical and gear related questions around hunting.

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Speaker 1: So things like how to pick the right rightful, how

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Speaker 1: to pick the right cartridge, um, how to become a

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Speaker 1: better shoot, or how to I don't think about the

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Speaker 1: ethics of gun hunting, and a number of different things

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Speaker 1: along those lines. So we kind of cover both sides

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Speaker 1: of gun hunting, the the tangible tactical stuff and then

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Speaker 1: the intangible, bigger picture culture side of it, which which

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Speaker 1: I hope is going to make for an interesting conversation

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Speaker 1: and when you guys will benefit from. So without further ado,

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Speaker 1: I say, we just get right into it. I've got

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Speaker 1: to repeat guests here with me for the introduction, Mr

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Speaker 1: David Kenyon, thanks for hopping back on the show. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome. Uh do you have a good time this

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Speaker 1: past weekend? Pops? I had a great time. It was fun.

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Speaker 1: It was fun, and I kind of I screwed up.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we already talked about this, but I

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Speaker 1: meant to bring my podcast recording equipment to camp with

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Speaker 1: me so we could do this chat they're together sitting

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Speaker 1: in front of fire, but I forgot all that stuff. Um,

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Speaker 1: But what I wanted to do here was, as you know, UM,

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Speaker 1: the rest of this podcast conversation with when the main

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Speaker 1: two guests is going to be about, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of like the tactical and gear related questions around what

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Speaker 1: it means once firearms season opens up. But for you

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Speaker 1: and me, I know, when gun hunting season opens up,

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Speaker 1: it means more than just changing our gear and changing

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Speaker 1: for I don't know us, like culturally. So that's kind

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Speaker 1: how would you describe our tradition for guns season up north? Um?

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Speaker 1: I don't know We've talked about a little bit in

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Speaker 1: this past weekend meant for you this year and every year.

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Speaker 1: So there were two holidays in November for family Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: where we got everybody together, we had a big turkey

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Speaker 1: dinner and um celebrated thankfulness for all that we've been given.

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Speaker 1: And opening day of gear season, big holiday. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: traveling across the country up early, up late. Uh, just

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Speaker 1: It was getting us all together. We had some of

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Speaker 1: But you know, we're all talking about the big gear

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Speaker 1: just all of that, that storytelling and and the family

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Speaker 1: Ken Rovan. And uh, of course, yes we'd love to

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Speaker 1: I could go up there next year, and I could

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Speaker 1: kill a five year old hundred fifty buck next year.

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Speaker 1: don't kill buck, but I'm there with you and Uncle

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Speaker 1: we get to spend a week up there and just

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Speaker 1: have the best time telling stories and eating good food

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Speaker 1: That is what I would agree. And frankly, and you've

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Speaker 1: the way it's been for the last ten years. So

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Speaker 1: we saw more, and when we did get a chance

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Speaker 1: started you know, hearing buck vocalizations that were real. Um,

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Speaker 1: so that's pretty cool. You have to hear that. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was actually I recognize it. So you said there

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Speaker 1: was a buck frount and and I heard it, but

434
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's what it was. That's that's how

435
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Speaker 1: rare that is in my experience to heart. So yeah,

436
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: it was really exciting to hear that, and then of

437
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Speaker 1: course getting ready and hoping that he was gonna because

438
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: it was behind us, like he said, and hoping he

439
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Speaker 1: was going to walk around to the last of us

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Speaker 1: and get a good shot. And um, you know that

441
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: that enthusiasm or that anticipation was was was great. Yeah,

442
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Speaker 1: and then that buck comes topping out over the hill

443
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Speaker 1: in front of us, and like, yeah, there's a buck,

444
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Speaker 1: there's a coming up. How you handled it like a champ?

445
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you were you were excited? But were

446
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: you pretty amped up when that buck was coming in?

447
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: I was. I was, because, like he said, he came

448
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Speaker 1: right over the hill and it was it was a

449
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Speaker 1: port It was a portrait picture, right. He was coming

450
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Speaker 1: right at his antlers. Even though they were only five point,

451
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: that was a pretty big five point. He looked he

452
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Speaker 1: looked like a bigger deer than what he actually was

453
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Speaker 1: as he got down. And so seeing this deer on

454
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Speaker 1: top of the hill coming down, I'm getting excited, one

455
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Speaker 1: of the class one, and I'm pot again the black

456
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: binoculars first, and then the crossbow of UM scope on

457
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 1: him next, and just Washington come on down. And that's

458
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: when I was debating back and forth. I mean I

459
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,959
Speaker 1: could have shot him as he was coming down the hill, um,

460
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: and certainly when he was turning broadside to us. I

461
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: had a number of times when it was a good shock. Um.

462
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Speaker 1: And I still, you know, going to my internal debate.

463
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Speaker 1: Should I have shot that deer and not um, it

464
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Speaker 1: would have been venice amount of table, right, and uh

465
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Speaker 1: we didn't. So. But on the other hand, hopefully that

466
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Speaker 1: that will be a a bigger, more mature deer next year,

467
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: and and you and I would get a chance, maybe

468
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Speaker 1: without of it, to take another crack at next year. Yeah,

469
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Speaker 1: that would be cool. It made for a fun evening,

470
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Speaker 1: that's for sure. That was a fun experience. And as

471
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Speaker 1: we said many times, I wish that it had been

472
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Speaker 1: a more action packed deer hunt. Just the activity is

473
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: not like I was hoping and we got to work

474
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Speaker 1: cut out for us to try to improve things out there.

475
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Speaker 1: But you know, it comes back to the whole moral

476
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Speaker 1: of the gun season story, which is, you know, all

477
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: of this getting a hunt together up north with the

478
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Speaker 1: family and friends, getting a hunt with you at the

479
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Speaker 1: back ford the other day. Uh, it reminds me of

480
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: the things that are more important than shooting a deer.

481
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Speaker 1: Um and that. Uh that's a good thing to get

482
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Speaker 1: reminded of every once in a while. Yeah, it is.

483
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's right on Mark, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: for me, I know for you, you were disappointed. I

485
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: was absolutely thrilled. And uh, and they're kind of you know,

486
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: they're kind of competing feelings, right because I was there

487
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: with you, because I was I was seeing deer and

488
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: and and being in this situation where there was a

489
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Speaker 1: good possibility that nice big buck was going to walk

490
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Speaker 1: in front, and I was it was going to be

491
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Speaker 1: it was gonna have an opportunity to shoot that deer

492
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: with you. Um, that meant more to me than anything else.

493
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Speaker 1: So I had a ball. I'm glad you still had fun.

494
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: That was very cool and hopefully we'll have some more

495
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Speaker 1: chances to do something like that in the future. Um,

496
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,239
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you one more question while I got you,

497
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: because we're gonna keep this kind of short. But um,

498
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: in four days from the time this podcast drops. Yeah,

499
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: three or three or four days from when this podcast drops,

500
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: my brand new book, my first book ever, That Wild Country,

501
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: an epic journey through the past, present, and future of

502
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Speaker 1: America's public lands that will be officially released to the

503
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Speaker 1: world on Sunday, December one. You got an early copy

504
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: of the book and the audio book before anyone can

505
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: get the audio book. Um, do you have any thoughts

506
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 1: you want to share? I didn't coach you on this,

507
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you what to say, so you are

508
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: You are welcome to say whatever you want to say.

509
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: If you hated it, you can tell me what do

510
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: you think about the book and is it worth anybody

511
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: picking it up? Yeah, so admittedly I'm biased, right, but

512
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you so. Um. You know your audience

513
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: probably knows that I'm visually impaired. Um, So I tend

514
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: to listen to a lot of audiobooks. I read books

515
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: as well, but I like to read audio books because

516
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Speaker 1: they allowed me to multitask and do different things in

517
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Speaker 1: the cistence. I own probably two fifty audio books, UM,

518
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: because I've been a member of you know, audio book

519
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: services for twenty years or so, so I kind of

520
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: have a good feeling for good narrators and bad narrators,

521
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: and I typically like books where the author narrates this book, UM.

522
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: So I got your audiobook. So I've got the booth,

523
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: the book book, and the and the audio version of

524
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: it UM and have read the book portions of the book,

525
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: but I really wanted to get the audio version and

526
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: listen to that because I just my experience with with

527
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: authors and how that just makes a totally big difference.

528
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: And it absolutely did so when I listened to the

529
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: audio version of it UM and again recognized I'm biased,

530
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: but it was the one of the very best narrated

531
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: audio books I've ever listened to. And I think Mark,

532
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: because of your your passion for the topic. First of all,

533
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: I think that it's just a very well written book

534
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: with lots of great information, and some of it's very personal.

535
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: There's some very subspections of the book that are very

536
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: almost personally embarrassing to me, UM in the sense that

537
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: they're showing an aspect of you know, who I am

538
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: and what we did and when we went sort of

539
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: pictured Rocks trip that uh, you know. On the other hand,

540
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: I think it was done in a very loving, um

541
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: respectful way, and you did that throughout the whole book.

542
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was just really well, a really interesting

543
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: blend of storyte storytelling and historical inter weaving those facts

544
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: and ideas and thoughts in a in a manner that

545
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: was very thought provoking for me. And going back to

546
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: the narration. So what what I have told people is

547
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: if you possibly can do it at the dal version

548
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: of it, whether it's you know, through one of the

549
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: services or a CD or whatever, because it's it's in

550
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: my opinion, it's it's exponentially better than even the great

551
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: book that it is in print because you hear your

552
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: your your passion for public land preservation, you hear your

553
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: compassion and and thoughtfulness around the people who went on

554
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: these adventures with you. It just all came through in

555
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: the audiobook. So I'll stop there, I know, gramble, but

556
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, you get as I did ask, and you know,

557
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: it is kind of self serving right now. If you

558
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: if you gave the wrong answer, then it might have

559
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: been an issue. But you've been you you've been embarrassing

560
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: me though in front of like other people in public

561
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: when you start gushing about, like how your son about

562
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: this book, and I'm always like, Dad, don't go over

563
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: the top with it. I really appreciate it, but you know,

564
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: let's let's let's keep it mild. But right now, hey,

565
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: go for it away. So it doesn't help the fact

566
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: that I bought fifteen copies already ten copies because I'm

567
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: giving way to everybody I know the process that is absurd,

568
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: but thank you. I appreciate. Yeah. But but the reason

569
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: I started out with the Wold g I've listened to

570
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: a two D fifty bucks over the course of twenty

571
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: years blah blah blah, is because I think that gives

572
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: me some credibility in terms of knowing good narrators and

573
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: people who could really tell a story from people who

574
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: just blindly go through and tell their story, you know.

575
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: And you did a phenomenal job. I quite honestly, it's

576
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: the best audiobook I've ever listened to. It. Well, thank

577
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: you for saying that, even though it might be biased,

578
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. I'm glad you're liking it. I'm

579
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: glad that you liked the chapters that were written about

580
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: our trip together, UM and I haven't talked about the

581
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: book too much on the podcast yet, and I'm going

582
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: to talk about it more in some future episodes in detail.

583
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: But I do want to give you guys just a

584
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Speaker 1: heads up a little bit more about what is in

585
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: store within this book. It is the story of the

586
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: history of our public lands and across the country and

587
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: what's happening to them right now and what we might

588
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: need to be thinking about in the future to keep

589
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: them around. And I share all that information, UM through

590
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Speaker 1: the series of three series of my own public land adventures.

591
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: So things that you if you've listened to this podcast

592
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: for a while, uh, you know that I care about

593
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: public lands. You know that I've been following this current

594
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Speaker 1: controversy around them that's been taking place over the last

595
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Speaker 1: five years or so. And you know that I've spent

596
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Speaker 1: a lot of time out there doing these things, seeing

597
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: these these wilderness areas and national parks and national forests

598
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So I tried to weave my own story

599
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: of trying to learn about these places. I tried to

600
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: weave that through a series of trips within those places.

601
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: So I went backpacking Yellowstone National Park with my wife.

602
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: I went shed hunting with further in western North Dakota

603
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: and we explored Theodore Roosevelt National Park. I went pack

604
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: rafting and fly fishing in the Bob Marshall Wilderness of

605
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Montana with my buddy Andy Bradley, who was on that

606
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: Boundary Waters hunt with me. Recently. We went and I

607
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: did some camping and hiking with my wife. I caribou

608
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: hunted in Alaska. UM went on a bear hunt with

609
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Randy Newburgh in Montana. A whole series of different things

610
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: like that, and then the backpacking trip I took with

611
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: you and my sister in pictured Rocks. All those personal

612
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: experiences I hoped would flesh out and engage people as

613
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: we learned about these places along the way. So that's

614
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: the books about. I poured my heart and soul into it. UM.

615
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, we'll talk a lot more about it

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00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: over the next couple of weeks as the book is

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Speaker 1: released here. UM, But it would and I don't do

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00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: this often. I don't know if I've ever done this

619
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: really ever on the podcast before. I'm gonna do it

620
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: a couple of times this month, UM, I have poured

621
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Speaker 1: myself into this podcast, in this audience, over the last

622
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: ten years of Wired to Hunt, in the last uh

623
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: five years with the Wired Hunt podcast, I hope I've

624
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: given you guys a lot of value. I hope I've

625
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: been able to entertain you and inform you and inspire you.

626
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: And that is what I have tried to do now

627
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: with this book. If if anything I've done has helped

628
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: you along the way, or inspired you, or helps you

629
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: shoot a deer or whatever might be, if you've ever

630
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: thought to yourself, I would love to give Mark a

631
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: high five or hand or a handshake, or support who

632
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: in some way. This is the best way you could

633
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: ever support me. Please purchase a copy of That Wild Country.

634
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: It would mean the world to me. This is a

635
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: dream come true to have been able to write this book.

636
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: And uh, I really am hoping I get a chance

637
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: to write some more. And you buying a copy of

638
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: this book or the audiobook, or buying one for a

639
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: friend or family member, that would help that be possible.

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00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: So that's my plug for That Wild Country. This week.

641
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple more as we lead into Christmas.

642
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: But um, thank you everyone for considering the book, and

643
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: thank you Dad for so shamelessly plugging the hell out

644
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: of it. Hey, you can't plug your son's book. I

645
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: guess that's right. I guess that's right. And thanks Dad

646
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: for for coming on here and helping me introduce this episode.

647
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: It's I'm glad we could talk about this because because

648
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: this is that there's there's two parts to gun hunting

649
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: for me. One is how to do it and the

650
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: gear to do it, and the other parts about the

651
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: people and the memories and the places. And I couldn't

652
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: think of anyone better talk about that part with than you.

653
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining me, Thank you, thank you for

654
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: having me all right here with me now on the

655
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Speaker 1: line is Adam Weatherby and Kevin Wilkerson. How are you guys,

656
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: good doing well? Thanks for having us on. Hey, it's

657
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: it's my pleasure. I appreciate you getting up bright and

658
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: early starting the day straight off of the podcast. I

659
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: hope you've got some coffee at least, I know isn't

660
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: the best way. I'm on my second YETI full, so

661
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm a little weird. I don't drink coffee,

662
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: which always throws people off, but it's just because I

663
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: never have. So it's actually easy when when we go hunting,

664
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: Kevin doesn't eat breakfast and he doesn't drink coffee. So

665
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm up usually a half hour before him, in the

666
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: tent or wherever, trying to get going. He just rolls out,

667
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: puts on his boots, and starts hiking. How do you function?

668
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: That's incredible? Yeah, I don't really know. Actually, well about nine,

669
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: he usually gets really angry. Yeah, I get really angry

670
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: around a little breakfast bar, and then I just keep going.

671
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: But it was first, the first couple of our adventures.

672
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: I could tell Adam was a little worried about me

673
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: because he was like, you know, getting ready and getting coffee,

674
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just kind of like sitting there,

675
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 1: and I think he thought that I was just lazy.

676
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: He were lazy. No, I'm ready to go. That's all right. Well,

677
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: before we go too far, I guess I introduced the

678
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: audience to you really brief myself. But I'd love to

679
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: hear from you yourselves, just a little bit of a

680
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: cliff notes intro to to your story for each of you.

681
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe, Adam, do you want to lead

682
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: us off there? Sure sounds good. Yeah, I'm Adam Weatherby

683
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: Um CEO of weather Be Inc. Company my grandpa started

684
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: back in n in southern California. So I'm the third

685
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: generation leader of this firearms business, rifle, shotguns and ammunition.

686
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Passionate outdoorsman and hunter. Father, A two husband to a

687
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: pretty hot wife that runs this company with me, and

688
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: uh so I get, yeah, the opportunity to what we

689
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: believe is make the world's finest firearms. I get to

690
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: carry that on being an American family owned business. Moved

691
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: our company out here to share it in Wyoming. Uh

692
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: this past year, which has been a huge move, built

693
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: a new facility. So we're just south of you guys,

694
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: uh here across the border into northern Wyoming and uh

695
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: absolutely loving it. That's that's a pretty incredible story from

696
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: everything I've heard about that move. Uh, what about you, Kevin?

697
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: I want, I do want to dive back into a

698
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: little bit more about the story of Weatherby. But but Kevin,

699
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: let's hear yours first two. Yeah. I mean, I don't

700
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna follow up Adam here, but keep

701
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: Kevin Wilkerson. I get to hang out here and hunt

702
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: with Adam. No. Uh Um, I moved out here when

703
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: when Weatherby decided to move from California to Wyoming. I've

704
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: been a hunter in my whole life and actually primarily

705
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: grew up hunting over in Tennessee and Arkansas and Indiana

706
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: and Kentucky for white tails and UM started as I

707
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: as I got into my college years, wanting to come

708
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: out west and started doing that. And then when weather

709
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: Be decided to move out to Wyoming, uh, it looked

710
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: like a perfect opportunity. I've worked UM for almost a

711
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: decade now, I think in the outdoor industry and UM

712
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: all mainly in hunting hunting brands, and so this just

713
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: seemed like a great fit for me. And uh, I'm

714
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: happy to be at Weatherby. I think there's a lot

715
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: going on here that people can get behind. And I also, uh,

716
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, I love working for the weather Be family,

717
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Adam and Brendy. Couldn't ask for better people to work for.

718
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: And uh we have a great time out in here

719
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: in Wyoming so far. So UM it's really not as

720
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: cool as adam story, but that is my story. So

721
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: me and my wife moved out here. I have a

722
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: wife and we have a dog, no kids, and uh,

723
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, just kind of grew up on white tails

724
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: out east, so well, I gotta believe your story there

725
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: of moving out to Wyoming, having that having that dream

726
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 1: living in the midwest of the South, and then eventually

727
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: wanting to move out there. That's something that a lot

728
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: of people can relate to, UM and and that's something

729
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: I gotta believe has helped And maybe not, but I'm curious, Adam,

730
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: if that has helped you guys that weather Be moving

731
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: to Wyoming, UM, because that rocky mountain interior west has

732
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: such a draw for so many outdoors men and women.

733
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: What was that like, What's what does that move mean

734
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: for you guys? Why did you guys decide to shift

735
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: from California to Wyoming? What's that mean for you guys

736
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: to come enny in a brand? Yeah, No, it's it's huge.

737
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: I think, you know, ultimately, it represents our future. I

738
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: think I often have said here this past year that

739
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: California represents a rich history and heritage, my grandfather and

740
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: my father running it, a lot of great people working

741
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: for him over the years. Wyoming really represents a bright

742
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: future for weather be UM. You know, we have UM.

743
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, about eighty percent of our workforce is new

744
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: here in the past year year and a half. So

745
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty incredible new beginnings of it. Like

746
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: you said, I mean we're right here at the foot

747
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: of the Big Horn Mountains. You know, I I tagged Antelope, Muley,

748
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: an Elk, you know, all well, mountain Lion, all right

749
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: here in Wyoming this year. Um, our employees are out

750
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: outdoors all the time. So I think it's it's authentically

751
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: you know who we are. We've been We're a hunting rifle.

752
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: We sell a ton of guns too, you know, places

753
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: east to here and south to here. And so a

754
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: lot of folks, even like Kevin that grew up UM

755
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: maybe either wanting to come west or started to but um,

756
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: you know we so so we're a national company. But

757
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: but our heart has always been and kind of just

758
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: even our location, who we are has been in the West,

759
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: and so obviously moved to Wyoming is huge. It was

760
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,240
Speaker 1: a business move as well. I mean from taxes and regulations,

761
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: costa living, um, political climate everything in California that kind

762
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: of shoot us out of there, and you know, kind

763
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: of often said we we kind of ran as far

764
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: away from California as we could and we ended up

765
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: and shared in Wyoming at the far other end of

766
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: the spectrum, it's been it's been very very good for us. Um.

767
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's been a ton of work. They're

768
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Um. We've got a great team, UM, some

769
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: sweet new things we're working on, a great new facility. Uh,

770
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: some great new partnerships like with you folks. So it's

771
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's an exciting time for weather, be for sure.

772
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: And the move really was a catalyst for a lot

773
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it sounds like you've been fawful busy

774
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: with all those tags you filled this year in Wyoming. Um,

775
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: but I have started heading out west too. I've I've

776
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: done a lot of the big game as well, but

777
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: I've also been tinkering with white tail hunting out there.

778
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: I've hunted in oh Montana, North Dakota, and Nebraska, some

779
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: of those western states and found this some pretty damn

780
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: good white tails out there. Uh, what's the Wyoming story?

781
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: Can you give me like a white tail scouting report?

782
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: I'll keep this one off air. This is just this

783
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: is just for me. I want the intel. Get Yeah,

784
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: you get on air, because it's not enough people out

785
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: here shooting white tails. Really. I mean, the weird thing

786
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: about Wyoming is well not weird. But when you buy

787
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: a deer tag, obviously you have to if you want

788
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: to hunted a good a draw unit, you're gonna have

789
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: to put in points or you're gonna have to get

790
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: lucky and get a random draw um as a nonresident.

791
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: But it's an either sex tag. It's not neither sex tag.

792
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: It's an either meal deer or war or white tail

793
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: tag when you get your tag. So for the most part,

794
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: people coming out to Wyoming, especially from out east or

795
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: more than likely looking for a mule here, but the

796
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: white tails don't really uh, get a lot of attention.

797
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually a funny little thing because you know,

798
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: me coming from out east, you would pass fields, you

799
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: know Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, whatever, uh, you know, see like

800
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: twenty deer in the field. You'd be like, oh man,

801
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: look at those deer. You know a d deer. Oh wow,

802
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: that's a lot of deer around here. You pass the

803
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: field and you'll see hundreds and hundreds of white tails

804
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, whoa, that's different. They are very heavy

805
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: private land. The white tails is compared to you know,

806
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: your mule deer, elk and a lot of other things

807
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: you can find on public it's it's definitely a lot

808
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: harder because they are you know, in the in the

809
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: hay fields and irrigated areas and those different things. Like

810
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I live. I live out on a little bit acreage,

811
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: and I have muleed here on my properly property exclusively. Uh,

812
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: once in a great while a white tail wander up.

813
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: I am probably at most a half mile from our

814
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: creek to which all those properties have white and and

815
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: I might see two white tail a year. Well, I

816
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: lived here for a year and a half. I'm talking

817
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: like I'm a local expert. But in the last year

818
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: that rarely come up. And so you have this kind

819
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: of weird mix of you'll drive by if you're driving

820
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: and you're driving by the creek beds, and there's a

821
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: bunch of white tail and people's fields, and then you

822
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: kind of come up and maybe there's a little state

823
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: chunk of land on the right, and there's a bunch

824
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: of mule deer antelope. And so it's really kind of

825
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: a weird thing that people untill they're kind of here,

826
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: can't can't really figure out. I mean, they're not monsters

827
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: in relation to a lot of things you're probably used to, uh,

828
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, easy to hear for sure, but at least

829
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: from my experience, and I don't know if it's the

830
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: same in Wyoming, but I'm guessing it might be. You

831
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it. It's the fact that a

832
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: lot of people in the West seem to ignore the

833
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: white tails. They just aren't quite as sexy as the

834
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: elk and the mule deer and everything else you can chase,

835
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: So they're a little bit under the radar for at

836
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: least local people. So when someone like me heads out

837
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: there will While there are some big deer in the Midwest,

838
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: of course, coming from Michigan, it's a little bit different here.

839
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: We don't get to see a lot of old deer.

840
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: So when I came out to Montana or North Dakota,

841
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: the number of mature bucks you see is just so

842
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: astronomically higher that I'm used to back home. That was

843
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: just a blast. I mean, you're not maybe maybe they're

844
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: not maybe boone and crack of bucks, but I love

845
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: just seeing If you see a four year old in

846
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: Michigan once a year, that's a great year. You see

847
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: four and a night. Some spots up hunt in Montana.

848
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. No, No, there's they'll they'll be around,

849
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: especially if you're looking for mature deer. It's just that

850
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, and and there's gonna be a lot of

851
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: people that probably disagree there's big deer here. But generally speaking,

852
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: in my opinion, consistently big deer white tail wise in

853
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: this specific areas. Generally I going to be on private land.

854
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: But you I mean, I know a lot of people

855
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: that shoot big, big deer um in a couple of

856
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: little pockets of public land here and there because they're

857
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: just kind of when they're they're they're there. But what

858
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: happens too is some guys don't want to use their

859
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: tag on white tail. It depends so some guys like

860
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: depends on the zone kind of where I hunt locally

861
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: around here. You know, my mule deer, Uh, it's just

862
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: the last two weeks October. You know, it goes through

863
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: the end of October, and basically you can kind of

864
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: just hold out for a good mulei and if you

865
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: don't end up shooting that mulei, you just November one,

866
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: you kind of transition to white tail um. Like myself,

867
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: my wife, my daughter all got a MULEI my son.

868
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: He's playing football which shout out shared and just won

869
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: the state championship football game, by the way, But uh yeah,

870
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: I like anybody cares, but we're pretty excited. Uh but

871
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: but I'm taking him out Saturday and we're gonna go

872
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: try to try to find a white tail buck on

873
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 1: some public land and walk around for a little bit. So,

874
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of it's kind of fun that

875
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: you have that either or type of thing. If you

876
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: see some see a mule here, that tickles your fancy

877
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: and that's awesome. And if not, the white tail season goes,

878
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, quite a bit further here in this area. Anyways,

879
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: most of them go through novem Um. It really kind

880
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: of extends that time for for rifle. Yeah. So, speaking

881
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: of that shift, you talked about how a lot of

882
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: people are shifting locally where you're at too, thinking Okay,

883
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: now it's time to try to get a deer, get

884
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: a white tail if we have to fill that tag

885
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: with a gun. There's there's a similar shift happening and

886
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: a lot of other parts of the country kind of

887
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 1: around where I'm at, where our bow seasons are ending,

888
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: in our rifles seasons, or firearm seasons are beginning. UM,

889
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: so that's happening for me personally. I'm heading up to

890
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: my northern Michigan deer camp tomorrow for the first time

891
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: of the year for my rifle hunt. UM. A lot

892
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: of other folks are doing the same across all sorts

893
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: of parts of the country. So would that be the case? Um?

894
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: What I kind of want to talk about is is

895
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: that shift in in first how that shifts in your mind?

896
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: Would you, guys go and head out there for a

897
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: firearm harnt? I know, Kevin, you used to work in

898
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: the archery industry, so I'm sure you have been a

899
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: part of this too. Write your bow hunt, bow hunt,

900
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: bow hunt, and then all of a sudden you make

901
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: that shift and you pick up the gun. A flip

902
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: is switched in your mind and in your tactics and

903
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: in your gear and your setups. Uh. What comes to

904
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: mind for you guys? First off, when you head out

905
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: on that first hunt with a different type of weapon,

906
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: When you're shifting to deer hunting now with a firearm,

907
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: how does that change your mindset? Well, for me specifically,

908
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: even if it was where I grew up or even

909
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: out here, generally, when I'm hunting with the bow, obviously,

910
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to get closer. So a lot of the time,

911
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: if I've not filled my tag, or if i have

912
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: multiple tags for that specific animal in that state, at

913
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: that point, I'll kind of know it. It makes it

914
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: a little bit easier when you pick up that rifle

915
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: because you're having to get so close. You know, for instance, uh,

916
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: mule deer this year out here. I know we're kind

917
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: of talking about autise, but just the experience I was

918
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: having to really get within sixty sevent yards of a

919
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: mule deer and I didn't make it happen. But when

920
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: rifle season started, I was like, why nowhere, I'm gonna

921
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: be like, you knew where you were going to be

922
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: with the rifle on a bipod looking at a specific area.

923
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: You know, either that or you have the opportunity if

924
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: you have multiple tags to to set up on a

925
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: different animal um and try to fill that second buck tag,

926
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: or you know if you're in that area that you

927
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: have multiple buck tags. But you know, really, I think

928
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: the biggest shift is the area that you're hunting UM.

929
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: When I pick up a rifle, I generally don't try

930
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: to I generally try not to go into that that

931
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: thick timber um, whether it be for white tails or

932
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: for um or for mule deer or anything like that.

933
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: I like to make sure I can see things because

934
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: that rifle is gonna allow me to get out there

935
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: and and put a good shot on an animal. Also

936
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: that I mean, obviously you got weather moving stuff around,

937
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: so i'd here. I mean we're at a four thousand

938
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: feet but if you could drop a pin, get to

939
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: Black Tooth or Cloud Peak that's at thirteen thousand feet

940
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: and that's twenty five miles from here, so and we're

941
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: at four thousands, so I mean, you know, we're right

942
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: at the base of the mountains. Uh So, I mean, Kevin,

943
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: you are up as high as ten thousand feet hunting

944
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: for elk uh with with your bow. I was as

945
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: down as low as five thousand feet, you know, hunting

946
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: for elk here during rifle um. So obviously you know

947
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: that weather just you know, weather pushes things around. So

948
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of considerations you know there as well,

949
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: especially when you're out here with the different elevations, things

950
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: are just really starting to starting to move around as

951
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: soon as rifle season starts. Speaking of that weather influence.

952
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that as a bow hunter we

953
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: always have to obsess about is wind and wind direction.

954
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: What's the wind doing? How is that going to affect

955
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: how we can set up for a shot at a

956
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: deer within twenty yards or forty yards or whatever it is.

957
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: It's it's so crucial to everything you do. How do

958
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: you guys think about wind differently at all when you're

959
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: out there with your with your rifle. Do you disregard

960
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: it completely? Do you still think about it? Or you saying, hey,

961
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: you know what, it's just as important now as when

962
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: I was out there with arch quin. I think it's

963
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: just as important. Yeah, I mean, I mean, well, obviously

964
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: you have wind as far as uh you're not getting

965
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: sniffed out by the animal. And then really you have

966
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: then wind to consider as far as bullet drift, especially

967
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: out here and why I mean, it can get a

968
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: little breezy, but it uh it uh you know, and

969
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: and I guess it's a little shout out to our

970
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: cartridges and different things like that that the faster moving

971
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: bullet you have depending on your ballistic co fish and

972
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: different things of the actual bullet you're shooting. I think

973
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: people overthink wind when it comes to bullet drift. Uh,

974
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: it really starts to play in at much longer distances

975
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: wre of people probably are not hunting, and so um.

976
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: You know, with a lot of the kind of especially

977
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: the faster cartridges we have, the wind really isn't as

978
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: much of a factor. It's one of the you know,

979
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: the great reasons about getting a bullet moving fast is

980
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: is a you don't have as much drop and be

981
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: it's in the air for less time. Therefore, you know,

982
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: wind being less of an effect, you know on it.

983
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: I think people can overthink wind certainly when it when

984
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: it comes to bullet drift. So what is that range

985
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: than wherein you do need to worry about? It depends

986
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: on the cartridge and depends on the bullet. I mean,

987
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: for instance, you know there's six five creed more super popular, right,

988
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: So maybe with the one forty grain, that thing's moving

989
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: feet per second, we have a six hundred weather be

990
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: that thing's moving more at thirty four feet per second.

991
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: And so between just those two again, you're gonna start

992
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: thinking about it more. Really, anything within three hundred yards

993
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: where a lot of people shoot, I mean, wind is

994
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: very rarely an actual factor, especially when you have a

995
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: fast moving cartridge. You know, when you get beyond five

996
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: hundred your wind starts to really you know, obviously make

997
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: a bigger difference. And then every fifty to a hundred

998
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: yards after that, I mean it had I mean difference

999
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: between shooting four hundred and five and fifty yards is

1000
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: the world. You know, people don't kind of get where

1001
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: those those things are. And so obviously with technology out

1002
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: there now, it's it's helped quite a bit. You know,

1003
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: you have your chestral units different things, but it I mean,

1004
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 1: trajectory is just science. As far as bullet drop, that's

1005
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: just pure physics. So you can dial up that dope

1006
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: and you can have it on a card. You can

1007
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: these days have it on your scope or your range finder,

1008
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: you can have it on your phone. Wind especially when

1009
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: you shooting cross canyon out here in different things, it's

1010
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: a it's a pretty big factory terrain into the equation

1011
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're shooting over a

1012
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: little canyon or a little drop in a in a

1013
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: hillside and the winds doing something totally different in that

1014
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: in that bottom than it is. So when you guys say,

1015
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: like how far out you know, when you shoot with

1016
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: an animal, wind is is that number one my position?

1017
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, if I can be prone and you know whatever,

1018
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna help me shoot out further. But then obviously

1019
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: that that wind is going to be I don't like

1020
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: messing with it, you know, once it's out that far.

1021
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: A lot of guys do, and they just try to

1022
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: bucket and everything. But it's it's mother nature. Man, It's

1023
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: a hard thing to predict. So this, this is something

1024
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: that's definitely on my mind right now, and we might

1025
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: as well just dive into it at this point. Given

1026
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: where we're going. There is so much talk and interest,

1027
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: especially out west, around long range shooting, shooting at long distances,

1028
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: and you've got these wide open expanses to do that. Um,

1029
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: that typically hasn't been as much of a thing back

1030
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: east or in the Midwest, north South. Uh, it's typically

1031
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: more of a short range game, sometimes by law because

1032
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: you're only allowed to use a shotgun or straight wall cartridge.

1033
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's simply because of the terrain and the viewpoints

1034
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: and all that. Uh. That said, with so much media

1035
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: coming out of the West now and guys living in

1036
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Michigan seeing someone in Wyoming shooting six yards There's more

1037
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: and more people experimenting with that and wondering about that

1038
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: and thinking maybe I should try to shoot at a

1039
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: deer across the cornfield five yards away or whatever it

1040
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: might be. What can you guys tell us about and

1041
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: and and assume this is to an audience that does

1042
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: not know what they're talking about when it comes to

1043
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: shooting rifles long range, because me, I'm the I'm the audience,

1044
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I don't do that kind of thing.

1045
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: So how do we go about determining the right maximum

1046
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: range for you and your weapon? What are the things

1047
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: that should be thinking about? How do I test that?

1048
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: How do I make sure I'm making a smart ethical

1049
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: decision with that type of issue. Yeah, you know, lots

1050
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: of things going through my head. I think, uh, you know,

1051
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: I can start it off here and Kevin you can

1052
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: talk about because we talk about this quite a bit.

1053
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: Because we make rifles with the shoot bullets really fast

1054
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: and so it it gives people a lot of confidence.

1055
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people out there that maybe

1056
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't be shooting at the distances that they are. Um,

1057
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: the you know, first off, if you uh, well, first off,

1058
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: if you can go shoot on a bench rest, that

1059
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can shoot in the field at that

1060
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: same distance. So so rule number one for me would be,

1061
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: have you hit that distance consistently in the same conditions

1062
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: from the same position. So if I can go down

1063
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: and I have a bench rest, sand, bad bags, a

1064
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: lead sled, whatever, you know, I'm putting my things up,

1065
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: and I can shoot at seven yards consistently at an

1066
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: eight inch plate, let's say, or ten inch plate. That

1067
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I can do that in the field. And

1068
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: so it's becoming you know, in other words, I have

1069
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 1: I'll shoot longer prone, especially if I can even get uh,

1070
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: you know, while I'm laying down on my bipod. If

1071
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I can get my pack or my bino pack even

1072
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: kind of tucked up under the rear, I can get

1073
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: bench rest solid from a prone position. If I'm sitting down,

1074
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: say with sticks or resting it on a fence, it's

1075
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a shorter distance if I'm standing. I shot

1076
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: a mule deer buck this year, and I had to

1077
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: stand slash crouch through some trees, uh, and and I

1078
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: had some sticks I could put up high. But obviously

1079
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: my range is less. So I think understanding the difference

1080
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: in that, and and I would really challenge and encourage

1081
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: people depending on what type of range or land you

1082
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: can go out to shoot from, because don't just go

1083
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: down and shoot from a bench. Shooting of positions you're

1084
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna be shooting him because it makes all the difference.

1085
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: A lot of guys, if they haven't shot prone a lot.

1086
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: You'll sit down, your head will get up on that

1087
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: scope a little bit, and people will will overshoot animals, uh,

1088
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: because they haven't really practiced from those positions. So I

1089
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: think that that's that's an important consideration. And so when

1090
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: you talk about where you should shoot, if let's say

1091
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 1: I know from my prone position, I have a piece

1092
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: of steel out there that's the sign the size of

1093
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: the vitals of the animal I'm gonna shoot, and I

1094
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: can consistently hit that again and again, then yeah, I'm

1095
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: comfortable to go out and shoot an animal at that distance.

1096
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: But it's really gotta be apples to apples from the

1097
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: way that you practice, from the way that you go

1098
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: out in the field, and then also understanding when too.

1099
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: So if I can shoot prone at five yards and

1100
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm real comfortable in hitting vitals and blah blah blah.

1101
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: But I get out there in the field and it's

1102
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: a gusty day and it's twenty five your things change.

1103
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: So you need to understand those elements that that come

1104
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: into to play as well. Um and then maybe lastly

1105
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: and then all I can stop. I talked about this

1106
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: all day, but but it's also understanding your bullet um,

1107
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: your cartridge in the energy that it carries through at

1108
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: different yardages, okay, And so it's important to know if

1109
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: you're shooting a six five creed more, you can shoot

1110
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: it accurately and maybe hit steel with no wind and

1111
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,919
Speaker 1: shoot that at eight hundred yards, But a six five

1112
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: creed more energy wise at eight hundred yards um isn't

1113
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,240
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of foot pounds of energy

1114
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: to take down an animal like an elk at that distance.

1115
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: And so depending on the cartridge, Like my daughter shoots

1116
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: a six five creed more a lot. She's younger, but

1117
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that range be not necessarily because she

1118
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: can't hit it. But it's like man at that point,

1119
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: especially if you're shooting an elk or larger animal like

1120
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: you better hit those vitals, you know, where you have

1121
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: a little more room for air when you have a

1122
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: larger cartridge that delivers more footpounds of energy as well.

1123
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: So it's also understanding that what would you add, Kevin,

1124
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: I think the footpounds of energy would be My My

1125
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: main thing is when you run, you know, and I

1126
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: guess like you say, and starting from from the base

1127
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: level here, when you get muzzle velocities either off of

1128
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: a box of ammunition which a manufacturer will put on

1129
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: that box, um saying this is what this is, how

1130
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: fast that cartridge that this bullet is coming out of

1131
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: that barrel with a specific cartridge when you get that

1132
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: like for whether but rather be rounds for instance, we

1133
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: have velocity energy and inches a variation of drop at

1134
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: every hundred yards to five yards yards yards. If you

1135
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: look at some you know, just general studies, you'll start

1136
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: to look and see about what people general opinions think

1137
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: a bullet needs footpounds of energy wise to take down

1138
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: an animal of different sized proportions. If you don't have

1139
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: a box that has that, you could go to any

1140
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: general ballistic calculator online and type in a couple of

1141
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: key things which would be ballistic coefficient also called b C,

1142
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: muzzle velocity size, of the bullet, and generally it will

1143
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: spit out what that's gonna be at distances and you

1144
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: can kind of decide if that's footpounds of energy that

1145
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with. I think that that's an important factor.

1146
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: But really for me because I'm you know, generally, we're

1147
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of lucky because we're kind of comfortable with everything,

1148
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: like our guns and our cartridges. We we kind of

1149
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: do this every day, so we know like, oh, I

1150
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: shoot this at this distance and this is But I

1151
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: think my number one thing when you're talking about me

1152
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: being in the field is that I just respect animals

1153
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: and I don't want to I don't want to a

1154
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: compromise a hunt or be compromise an animal because of

1155
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: me wanting to shoot it at a further distance just

1156
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: because I could put a bullet in it, I don't

1157
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: shoot it. And I just one thing that I'm really

1158
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: adamant about, and I think a lot of us here are.

1159
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Um you know, like if it's eight hundred yards away

1160
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh man, it's last day of the hunt, hunt,

1161
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: but I don't have a gun to shoot it. I'm

1162
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: just not gonna squeeze it. I just I think that

1163
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: we have a responsibility I do to to be smart

1164
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: with how we're hunting and to have respect for the

1165
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: game that we get the opportunity to hunt. And I

1166
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: think sometimes when you're talking about long range stuff, people

1167
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: want to see how far they can scoop back to

1168
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: shoot that animal. I just think sometimes that might not

1169
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: be the best option. So I just say, from a

1170
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: personal perspective, really think about that from how we have

1171
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: the opportunity to hunt and the animals that we do

1172
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: get to hunt, and how how awesome that is. I

1173
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: just have a great respect for the animals that we

1174
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: get that we get a chance to go after, and

1175
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to compromise them. The worst

1176
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: feeling in the world is shooting a deer and and

1177
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: not finding it. And I think a lot of people

1178
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: have been in that situation. So right, it's knowing the

1179
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: size of your animal too. So you're out here and

1180
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know in elks, vitals is a little

1181
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: larger than a than a prong horn, and so you know,

1182
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: it's also understanding that that size of your tard it.

1183
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: And I think people that haven't hunted maybe out out

1184
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: in the western more mountainous regions to understand, like even

1185
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: a lot of times with mule deer or elk. Certainly

1186
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: there's there is a lot of cross canyon stuff and

1187
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: I've I've shot a few elk in the last few years,

1188
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: and the fish range and yardage and and yet what

1189
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: happened is there's a canyon in between. I closed the

1190
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: gap as much as I could, and you know, sometimes

1191
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, the likelihood of being able to

1192
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: get closer is just a hard thing to do. And

1193
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: until you've hunted in this terrain, that's maybe a hard

1194
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: harder thing to understand until you've kind of been here.

1195
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: And sometimes you're you're sitting there glass and you're like, yeah,

1196
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: well there's a big old gorge or drainage or creek

1197
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: below me, and then it shoots up on the other side,

1198
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: and like it's a hard thing to to go there,

1199
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: and dependent on how the wind is. Um. You know,

1200
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: it's it's sometimes so so being able to have that ability, certainly,

1201
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: you know, the more you can get confident where you

1202
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: feel you can consistently hit that target, um, it does

1203
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: up your odds of being able to tag your animal

1204
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,919
Speaker 1: and and make a make a great shot. I mean

1205
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: my best, probably my best elk kill shot was a yards. Um,

1206
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: not that they've all been great, but the best single

1207
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: one I had. It was a hard shot. It was there,

1208
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: there was no wind, you know, Um, I understood my

1209
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: scope and and and made a clean shot. But I've

1210
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: had bad shots. I've had bad shots at two yards

1211
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: as we all have had. So it's you know, understanding

1212
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: that proficiency. But I guess I'll kind of clothing and

1213
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: push it back to you for sure. But is uh,

1214
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, optics does play a big part in it

1215
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: as well. Is um, there's so many different ways to

1216
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: dial in your scope. Are you gonna have a hold

1217
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: over or are you going to have maybe an app

1218
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: on your phone and you dial it in and then

1219
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: you have you actually dial your scope, you know, with

1220
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: a zero stop type of scope, and so there are

1221
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: understanding the different methods of how you're gonna do that

1222
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: when you're shooting out further, The bottom line is you're

1223
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: either gonna need to hold over, You're gonna need to

1224
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: dial something and uh, you're gonna kind of need to

1225
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: to figure that out and and be be comfortable with it.

1226
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: And an error in that category there of not understanding

1227
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: the way your optics work, you can mean a miss

1228
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: or uh, you know, an injured animal that gets away,

1229
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: So it is important to to understand that as well.

1230
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: You know. Actually, great example of this I was I

1231
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: was mule deer hunting this past weekend in Nebraska, and um,

1232
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,479
Speaker 1: I had brought a firearm with me that a friend

1233
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: of ours was using for some for some stuff we

1234
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: were doing here at weather being and I I, uh,

1235
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: we had a scope that had it was it was

1236
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: actually a vortex lightweight hunter and it had m o

1237
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,439
Speaker 1: A drops under it to sixteen in and it goes

1238
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: by two four or six eight. And I told them

1239
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: where that holdover was at three because we wanted to

1240
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: verify rifles. And he was a little bit unsure about

1241
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: what the two four six state meant and we were

1242
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: a little He was hard. He thought they were the

1243
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: dashes and not, like it just depends on how that

1244
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: scope is set up, if we were gonna dial it

1245
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: or if we're going to use the hashes for the

1246
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: hold over. Anyways, we took like four shots and they

1247
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: were all really high, and he was like, are you

1248
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: sure this thing is sided in? I was like, I'm

1249
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: pretty sure this thing is sided in and I was like,

1250
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: do you mind if I shoot it? And he was like, no,

1251
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: that's fine. So I got behind it and we hit

1252
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: the piece of steel and he was like, what was

1253
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: I doing wrong? And I was like, you were holding

1254
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: on the six, not the two. But it's just you

1255
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: know exactly what Adam said, you know, especially, you just

1256
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: gotta know that scope. You gotta know what menu of

1257
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: angle means, or you gotta know what mill means depending

1258
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: on which scope you're using. UM, and what those adjustments

1259
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: mean at distances, not only at a hundred yards being

1260
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: a quarter click, but also what that translates to at

1261
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: three hundred yards being a clip. And it also means

1262
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: you have to have your your rifle really dialed in

1263
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: because so if you're two inches right at a hundred yards, well,

1264
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: who who cares at a hundred yards? But if five

1265
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: hundred yards you're now ten inches, you know, and it's

1266
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: seven year fourteen and so UM, it's really making sure

1267
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: that you're very dialed in UM and that your rifle

1268
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: is accurate, because so if your rifle shoots a two

1269
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: inch group, who cares at a hundred yards? Uh, well

1270
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: it's six hundred yards. You know that could mean either

1271
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: missing your animal or your vitals for sure. So there

1272
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: are a lot of factors. I hope I don't know

1273
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: if we answered your question, but obviously we can talk

1274
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: about this all day. No, you certainly did. And I

1275
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: feel like we need to rewind the tape just a

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Speaker 1: little bit and start a little bit earlier in the

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Speaker 1: process though, because you were talking about choosing the right

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01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: cartridge that has the right feet per second, that has

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Speaker 1: the right energy, and that's something that I do think, uh,

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Speaker 1: And I'm speaking a little bit from my own experience

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01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: here and from my own circle of friends and family. Um.

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: But oftentimes you shoot the gun your gran your grandpa

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01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: gave you, or you shoot the gun you picked up

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: that one time. And if everyone that you hang out

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01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: with you it's a three or weight, you shoot a

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01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: three or weight, um, because you're out there and you

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01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: get a hundred fifty yards shot for a week a year,

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01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: and um, we typically there aren't as many people that

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: are getting as serious about really dialing in their firearms

1290
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: and really knowing them here as they maybe might be

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: in Wyoming or Montana, where that's just so much more

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01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: of a possibility to take those types of shots. So

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Speaker 1: my question then is let's start at the beginning, which

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01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: is then making sure you're choosing the right cartridge for

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01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: your scenario. Um, how do you guys go about making

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01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: that decision when it comes to picking the right cartridge

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: for a white tail hunt versus? Then if you want

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01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: to go out west and chase a bigger game like

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01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: mule deer or elk or moose or something like that,

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01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: can kind of walk us through the thought process that

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: the questions you should be thinking about, um, and then

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01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: maybe some specific recommendations to great question. And again that's

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01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: a deep question. Yeah, that's a deep question. It is.

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01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: I think you know, we talked about it earlier. People

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01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: think about speed, but an important thing to think about

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01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: is energy. It's measured in footpounds, and so usually when

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01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: you look at a ballistics chart on a you can

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: google it on that particular cartridge. Uh, you know that

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: that footpounds and energy is what is important. And so

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01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: as you're shooting out further, the faster your bullet is moving,

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: it's obviously gonna be that speed and that weight combined, right,

1312
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna carry that. So your bullet weight is gonna

1313
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: be an important factor in other words um. Let's say,

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01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, let's say a two fifty seven weather Be. Okay,

1315
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: maybe you're shooting a hundred grain bullet that's a caliber bullets,

1316
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: lighter accuband or something out of the things gonna shoot

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01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: flat and far um. It's it's gonna be awesome for

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: most all your deer, your white tail, your mule deer.

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01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: But then I, I personally lots of people do. I

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't choose to use that on a moose er elk

1321
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: because I just would want more mass in that bullet, right,

1322
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's the mass of the bullet,

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01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: but then there's speed to consider, uh as well. And

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01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: so people try to find, you know, a a kind

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: of middle of the road cartridge, which you could do

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01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: certainly to try to shoot North American big game. I mean,

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01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: our three D weather Be Magnum is our best selling

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01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: cartridge for seventy years or whatever, because you can maybe

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: load it into one six grain all the way up

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: to a two twenty grain. Really, uh, that you could

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01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: put in there. You know, it's it's fast, it's it's flat,

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: all those different things. So you're really looking at your speed.

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01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: You're looking at that foot pounds of energy, so your

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01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: mass of your bullet is going to be in there.

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01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: Some people are going to consider recoil. However, I would

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: say that with the technology of muzzle breaks, with our

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: muzzle break, I mean my daughter who's sixteen, I could

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: put her behind a three in a weather be mag

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01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: with a muzzle break, or if you can hunt with

1340
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: the suppressor, which obviously is a little more complicated, it's

1341
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: no problem. I think people do overthink the recoil thing

1342
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: just a little bit, especially if you can have a

1343
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: muscle break. Um, and so you're really kind of taking

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: all of those those factors into into consideration, you know,

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01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: when when choosing a cartridge like we have. And it's

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01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: crazy if you haven't grown up really around understanding cartridges

1347
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: and bullets and ballistics explaining it, Oh my gosh, it's

1348
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: it's really hard. What's the difference between a caliber and

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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,879
Speaker 1: a cartridge. Well, caliber technically is the diameter of a bullet,

1350
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: which is the projectile in the end of your cartridge.

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: And there's dozens of manufacturers four bullets, so yeah, just yeah,

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01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: just for reference saying we load all kinds of bullets

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01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: made by other manufacturers. We actually don't make bullets, right,

1354
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: we only we only produce cartridges, right right, which is

1355
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: a case, powder primer and a bullet, you know, so

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01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: it's made up of four things. So it's really and

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01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: and I know and maybe speaking of you know, people

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01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: are like, I get that, and yet some people maybe

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: don't get that. So let's say you talk about a

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: thirty caliber bullet. It's actually technically a diameter of point

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01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: three zero eight inches, and a thirty caliber bullet is

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01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: used in everything from a three oh eight Winchester six

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01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: thirty odds six Springfield, three D weather B thirty weather

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01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: be a three PRC. It's all the same bullet, it's

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: just moving it at different speeds and flat out, the

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01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: faster that that thirty cow bullet is going out that muzzle,

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: the further you're going to be able to shoot that

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: thirty cow bullet. And then one of the things that's

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: really been a trend lately and where there's been a

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: lot of advancements in technology and bullet development is in

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01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: the ballistic coefficient. We call it BC. It sounds pretty

1372
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: techy if you're not used to it, but basically that's

1373
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: a calculation that tells you the aerodynamics of your bullet,

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01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: and that really has a say on how flat that

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: bullet shoots. So let's say out of a thirty cow

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01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: three weather B for instance, you could, uh, you can

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01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: have a bullet that's a b C of three fifty

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01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: kay point three five. You can have one that's six hundred.

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01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: That one that has a six hundred BC is gonna

1380
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: end up shooting, say it a thousand yards certainly feet

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: feet difference, not just inches, but feet because of the

1382
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: aerodynamics of that bullet. So we're getting longer, heavier, higher

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 1: BC bullets that are shooting flatter and further. And there's

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01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: been a lot of technology. Uh you know, obviously Hornedy

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01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: their e l d X bullet Burger with their v

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01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: l d s, they've been a couple really leading the way.

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,919
Speaker 1: Nozzler's got some now as well. They're long range accuban

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01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 1: those are going to be able to shoot further as well.

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01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: But then lastly, you also want to take into consideration

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01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: that bullet construction and how it's going to penetrate, if

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: it's going to hold together, is it gonna fragment, does

1392
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: it hold together at different velocities? So it is I

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01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: mean I tried to go simple and I hope that

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01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: made some sense. But but you just go deep. Kevin

1395
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: could maybe take it not as deep, but just goes deep.

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01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: The more you get into no, no, it's interesting, you know,

1397
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: just uh, we're I'd like to think we're honest people

1398
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: over here, whether it be but a year and a

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01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: half ago or yeah, a year and a half ago.

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01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: When I started here, I grew up hunting with rifles

1401
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: a lot, and exactly what you said, Mark, Um, we

1402
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: just knew what cartridges were, the ones that have always

1403
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: been around. The thirty thirty, that thirty at six. We

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01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: shot those rounds and that's what my dad gave me,

1405
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: and that's why we shot it. And it had its

1406
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: purposes and honestly, we shot it a few times a

1407
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: year and we were really happy with it. And I

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: felt like I knew a lot about ballistics and cartridges

1409
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: and things like that. And when I got here, I

1410
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: was like, all right, I better hit the books because

1411
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: and you know what, there's still times, no joke, there's

1412
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: still times where Adams like, hey, that's not right when

1413
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about something, and I'm like it's gotta be right,

1414
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, that's not right, and I'm like ah,

1415
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: and so I gotta go back and learn again. But

1416
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: now I'm like, I'm super into it. I think it's

1417
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: intriguing and I think it's interesting and and I love

1418
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: talking about it, um, just because it's it really is.

1419
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: When you really start to dive into it and understand

1420
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: it a little bit, it really changes the way you

1421
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: hunt and the reason you shoot certain cartridges. But kind

1422
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: of looking back on it, when you're talking about more

1423
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: like deer like cartridges, Um, really, when you're talking about

1424
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: weather Be cartridges, at seven is gonna be one of

1425
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: the most popular rounds for deer out of a weather

1426
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: Be round, um. And you know that's in direct comparison

1427
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: with the twenty five O six, which is very popular

1428
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: for white tails, and um, not a ton of people shoot,

1429
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: but at tifty seven Roberts is another one that it

1430
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: directly compares with. But you want to talk about straight

1431
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: up killing power. Seven has done things to animals in

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01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: the last year and a half that I've seen with

1433
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: my own eyes, and I've been like, WHOA, that was unbelievable.

1434
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen people shoot uh, antelope and mule

1435
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: deer and deer with that cartridge and it just puts

1436
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: them down so fast, and I it's just it's just

1437
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: a crazy cartridge. So that one, and then obviously you

1438
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: start talking about your six five offerings, which is a

1439
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: huge thing right now. Uh, you know, we obviously we

1440
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: chamber six five Creed Mores in our rifles, which is popular,

1441
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,839
Speaker 1: but we also have the UM which is going substantially faster.

1442
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: And then we just this year came out with the

1443
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: six five weather b RPM, which is an incredible all

1444
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: around cartridge for literally almost all of North America. If

1445
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: you want to shoot a white tail, be great for it.

1446
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: If you want to start stepping up, it would be

1447
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: amazing for It's funny mark is the questions that you're

1448
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: asking as some of the number one things we get,

1449
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: Like if we post something on social media about a cartridge,

1450
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: it blows up every time. People have questions, people argue

1451
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: about it, people are fascinated by it. People are educated,

1452
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: some people are very uneducated. Things they still want to

1453
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: post as if they're educated. Our customer service every day

1454
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: gets phone calls from people asking what cartridge should I buy?

1455
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: And we answer that question and have for over seven

1456
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: decades because and at the end of the day, it's

1457
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: like sure, thirty go kill a heck of a lot

1458
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. I'm in North America, but you want something

1459
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 1: to be best. So there is there are a lot

1460
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 1: of things to consider, but there's a lot of great material,

1461
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: a lot of great articles out there, you know, to

1462
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: kind of start to look into some things. Yeah, that

1463
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: that information gap is present for a lot of people still,

1464
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: even though there is so much information out there, and

1465
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: and this is helpful, going to the bare bones basics

1466
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: and building us up with some of these key um

1467
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 1: ideas is is not a waste of time. I know

1468
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who are who are finding

1469
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: this helpful right now, and I want to I want

1470
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: to do this one more time with another set of

1471
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: gear questions that people will have. Because if we're going

1472
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,440
Speaker 1: from from Mark who grew up hunting with his grandpa's

1473
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: one semi auto rifle in thirty six, that's all I

1474
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: ever used for a whole lot of years. Uh now

1475
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: it's okay, Now I'm buying a new rifle. When we

1476
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: talked about cartridges, what about just general choosing the right

1477
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: firearm for your situation. Um, I mean you're thinking about

1478
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 1: what caliber, You're thinking about how long of a barrel,

1479
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: how heavy of a gun? I remember when I was choosing,

1480
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, my next rifle. Did I want something really

1481
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: lightweight that I could pack around on back country Western hunts?

1482
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: Or because I don't shoot as much as some guys

1483
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't consider myself a pro marksman.

1484
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a heavier gun that's gonna be a

1485
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: little more stable. So these are some of the things

1486
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: I was starting to try to think about myself. Um,

1487
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: but you guys are the experts. Tell me what should

1488
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: someone in my shoes be thinking about when trying to

1489
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: make that firearm purchase decision? Yeah, I mean I think

1490
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,759
Speaker 1: you need to go. Okay, what is just like anything

1491
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: else maybe in our purchases, was we say what's the utilization?

1492
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: What person am I going to be using it? Uh?

1493
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: You know on a corn field versus hiking in the mountains. Um,

1494
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: and so you really need to know, Yeah, what is

1495
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: that main thing? Like some people don't like getting skinny

1496
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: or barrels because they think it will heat up a lot.

1497
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: But if you're a back country hunter and you're gonna

1498
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: be hiking around putting on thirty miles in a number

1499
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: of days, which we do all the time. I'm hoping

1500
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: to only shoot once twice, maybe three times. And so

1501
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: to me, the thickness of my barrel, because skinnier barrels

1502
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,480
Speaker 1: are gonna heat up more, will affect accuracy. A skinnier,

1503
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: lighter fluted barrel like on our back country rifle. If

1504
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm a lot of the honey and I'm doing, that's

1505
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: really important to me. But if the time I'm either

1506
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: truck hunting or you know, stand country or whatever, then

1507
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean anything to me. And so I think

1508
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of first going, okay, where am I

1509
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: going to spend you know, most of my time? If

1510
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I mean, really, when you look at

1511
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: a rifle, there's not a lot of components to it.

1512
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: You have your action, you got your barrel in your stock,

1513
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: and that kind of makes up most it. And that's

1514
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: where to make different And we got a lot of

1515
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: different change is to it it, just like every gun

1516
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: maker out there does. But I think so if you

1517
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 1: start with your barrel, uh, you know, talked about we

1518
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: just talked about each of those three things real quick

1519
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: probably and maybe answer that question you go, okay, well,

1520
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: then there's finish too. But um, but if you talk

1521
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: about your barrel, you can get a skinnier flu to barrel,

1522
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: you can get a heavy steel barrel. And then what's

1523
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: popular now are the carbon fiber barrels, which our actual

1524
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: thinner steel barrels wrapped in carbon fiber. In case people

1525
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 1: don't know, it's the bullet is not traveling down carbon fiber,

1526
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: it's still traveling down steel. But that's very popular. Um.

1527
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: The things to consider with barrels would be usually weight

1528
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: uh and then usually heat uh. So UM, A skinnier

1529
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: barrel is gonna be lighter. And if you know you're

1530
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: not gonna shooting a lot of rounds but you want

1531
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: to hike it around, skinny barrel is great. If you

1532
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: want to heavier barrel, you'll be able to go down

1533
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: plank at the range or maybe shoot some varmints or whatever.

1534
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be shooting a lot, you might

1535
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: want a heavier barrel because it is going to hold

1536
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: its accuracy longer. That's where carbon fiber barrels have grown

1537
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: in popularity is you get a lighter weight barrel, although

1538
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: our carbon fiber wrapped steel barrel is not necessarily lighter

1539
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: than a skinny barrel, but it has more the performance

1540
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 1: of a heavy steel barrel when it comes to heat dissipation,

1541
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: but without all that steel on it. So carbon fiber,

1542
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: although more costly, could be a good middle road for people.

1543
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: So you really kind of want to consider that on barrels, right, Kevin. Yeah,

1544
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: that was a great explanation when you got into the

1545
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: carbon fiber is a little bit it's a little bit deep,

1546
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: but a lot of carbon fiber barrels guns back east

1547
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: to actually do and you know it's important and in

1548
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: the South, which is funny, it's important to note that

1549
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: a carbon fiber barrel does not make it the lightest

1550
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: gun possible. Um are our our skinny barrels for what

1551
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,839
Speaker 1: I want to get into contours, but our skinny barrels,

1552
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: like trying to use our skinny barrels are way lighter

1553
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: than carbon barrels because the carbon barrels are going to

1554
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: be general a fifty six lighter than a steel barrel

1555
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: in the same thickness contour contour. UM. So it's important

1556
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: to note that m really the main thing about the

1557
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: carbon fibers heat dissipation. But it's it's throughout the years

1558
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people think, oh, I want the lightest

1559
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: gun I could get. I'm gonna get that carbon fiber barrel,

1560
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: and it's they're not the lightest, but the lightest gun

1561
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,839
Speaker 1: is our back country t I. It's a back country

1562
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: titanium gun. It's four pounds four point nine pounds and

1563
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: it's a titanium action with the thinnest barrel with flutes

1564
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: in it we can put on with the carbon fiber stock.

1565
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: We just made it as light as possible. Now that

1566
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be a I'm gonna go down and

1567
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: plank all weekend gun. That's gonna be strap it your

1568
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: stuff stuff and kill stuff. But so that's a little

1569
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 1: bit on barrel stocks. Um. You know, traditionally obviously, you know,

1570
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: there was woodstocks for years, and obviously for the first

1571
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: fifty years that's most of what we sold. Uh. We

1572
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: came out with the first kind of maybe commercially available

1573
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: fiberglass stock in the early eighties. We called it the

1574
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: fiber mark. My grandpa told my dad would never sell

1575
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: because it wasn't, you know, just that beautiful wood and

1576
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: then it's sold and my grandpa Grandpa said, well, I

1577
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: guess times are changing. But uh, but ever since then,

1578
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: I mean plus of what we sell is not going

1579
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: to be a woodstock. There's a place for it, and

1580
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: I like hunting with the woodstock, but I'm not gonna

1581
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: go beat it up carrying it around the mountains. But

1582
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna be hiking a lot, there's a

1583
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: good place for it. But it can get wet, it

1584
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: can swell, it can fluctuate with temperature. So basically there's

1585
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,839
Speaker 1: three main types of stocks. You would have an injection

1586
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: molded plastic stock. They usually call it polymer. People don't

1587
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: go to market plastic, but that's gonna be most your

1588
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: guns you see out there these days. They're plastic. They're molded.

1589
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 1: But I've taken many weather be vanguards out of the

1590
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: box in a plastic SA box and shot half inch groups.

1591
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean they're not gonna shoot. Then you

1592
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of step up to fiberglass. The fiberglass typically is

1593
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: gonna be lighter than the polymer or plastic. It often

1594
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: has an aluminum bedding block where the action goes in

1595
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 1: in the barrel, and and uh, the fiberglass can be lighter,

1596
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: maybe a little higher performance. And then a lot of

1597
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: what we have now is we have carbon fiber wrapped stocks,

1598
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: which is very similar technology of how the fiberglass is made,

1599
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: but it's carbon fiber. And so really you're jumping up

1600
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 1: in your materials based on kind of your your budget

1601
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: really uh, you know, with those three materials, and then

1602
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: obviously that carbon fiber stock is going to be the

1603
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: lightest out of any of any of those stocks. Um,

1604
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: it's also going to perform very very well and be

1605
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: and be pretty darn durable. Then you have the shape

1606
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: of your stock, um, and that's been really changing the

1607
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: last three to five years. You had a lot of

1608
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: just additional stocks, and now you had what looked like

1609
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: the tactical stocks that are on these hunting rifles. And

1610
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: so you have adjustability sometimes in your length of poll

1611
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 1: uh and in your comb which raises your cheek piece

1612
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 1: up and down to a line for better site acquisition

1613
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: with your scope. And so there's a lot of folks

1614
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: that enjoy that type of shooting and hunting. Now where

1615
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: you could get a carbon fiber stock and there's a

1616
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: lot more material and the gun looks heavy, but it

1617
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: it's still is lighter, say, if you get it in

1618
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: a carbon fiber stock. And so your stock shape is

1619
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: really another thing, and a lot of that's just personal preference.

1620
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 1: It's good to go buy a local gun shop. See

1621
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: how that works, See how you know you you you

1622
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: kind of when you you pull up the gun, how

1623
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: your cheek aligns to it, and how it feels, how

1624
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 1: that pistol grip feels as you wrap your your finger,

1625
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of around it. Um. And so there's

1626
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 1: really been a lot of change in the last few

1627
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: years in regards to a lot of stock shapes where

1628
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,719
Speaker 1: guys are going out with what looks like more range

1629
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: or tactical guns and they're going into the field with it.

1630
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 1: At first I thought it was a little silly, um,

1631
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: But as folks are wanting to shoot out further and

1632
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: they're used to that, they want that stock they feel

1633
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: a bit more comfortable with. So that's kind of your

1634
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: your stock. And then and then really it's you know,

1635
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: your action is kind of your last your last part. Obviously,

1636
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: we have the weather b Mark five action and weather

1637
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: Be Vanguard action, and there's differences in your different actions

1638
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: of say your bolt lift, like our Mark five lifts

1639
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: fifty four degrees is maybe to a traditional ninety degrees,

1640
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 1: which means you can maybe cycle rounds a little bit quicker.

1641
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: You have maybe different types of feeding to look into

1642
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: when you're you know, you're pulling the cartridges out and

1643
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: pushing it in, and so a lot of that's kind

1644
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: of feel you have different weight and preference. But I'll

1645
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: tell you what, what's selling a lot of guns these days.

1646
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 1: It's just new, cool looking stuff. I'm not gonna lie.

1647
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: There's it's carbon fiber, it's colors, and then really it's

1648
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: the whole coating, the Sarah coat, which we're tradition rifles

1649
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: were blued. Now we have a serracode process which gives

1650
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: it function and fashion gives it color. You have a

1651
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: flat dark earth color, a tan type of color, and

1652
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: it's really durable, so that's popular. You have camo dip stocks,

1653
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: that's real popular. So a lot of guys are getting

1654
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: new guns because stuff is just looking cool right now.

1655
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's what sells a lot of guns, because

1656
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: you can go pick up your grandpa's thirty out six

1657
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 1: and probably go shoot a lot of a lot of stuff.

1658
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: But anyways, I don't know if that helped any aren't

1659
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: incredibly helpful. I think there's there's I've said over and

1660
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 1: over again, but there's so many people that I think

1661
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: lack the fundamental uh, the foundations of this stuff, understanding

1662
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: these different pieces and why they matter and how the

1663
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: differences matter. So this is this is important. I think.

1664
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: Would you add anything, Kevin to to what Adam was saying.

1665
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot, um, there's a lot. He

1666
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,639
Speaker 1: broke it down into four sections. But even within those

1667
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 1: four sections, that's where brands start different shading themselves. So

1668
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, you can really look into triggers.

1669
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: You could look into one piece bolts versus multiple piece bolts. Um.

1670
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: You could look into the lugs on the actions, you

1671
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 1: could look into the fluting on the on the barrels.

1672
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: You could look into the shapes of the stock and

1673
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: what they're made of and the recoil. There's are like

1674
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, and that's where you just start

1675
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,440
Speaker 1: seeing that that price difference and that those brand identities

1676
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: in each one of those rifles. And so when you

1677
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:34,880
Speaker 1: start looking for a rifle, definitely, most brands are very

1678
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 1: different for a reason. Um, someone thinks that their action

1679
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: is better than someone else's or something like that, and

1680
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: then you know there's there's a lot of companies that

1681
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: are all built on Remick in seven hundreds. So, um,

1682
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, obviously accuracy, you know one of the things.

1683
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, accuracy is obviously very important. A lot of

1684
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: companies have different guarantees. All our rifles guarantee sub m

1685
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: o A, which means that a hundred yard you're gonna

1686
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: shoot an inch less and on out. Some will claim

1687
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: half correct. Let's not say you yeah, it's a guarantee

1688
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: and we guarantee it, but it's a it's a funny guarantee.

1689
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: But uh. And so you know, the accuracy is big,

1690
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: and the further out you shoot, the more important that

1691
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: accuracy is going to be. Even in a hunting scenario. Now,

1692
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: accuracy can be a bit subjective because you have the shooter,

1693
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: you have environmental elements, you have to load the bullet,

1694
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean the barrel the way it's better than the stock.

1695
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things in with accuracy. We'd like

1696
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: to say we we we manufacture very accurate rifles, but

1697
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: most of my competitors would tell you that as well,

1698
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: and and and frankly a lot of them do. Um.

1699
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: You know, where we differentiate is in the speed game,

1700
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: because that is more of a strict math thing and

1701
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: so um, we have in most cases the fastest moving

1702
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: bullet per that bullet diameter uh in a weather be

1703
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: cartridge than anybody else. And that's a differentiator for us.

1704
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: We call it but listic superiority sounds kind of cool. Uh.

1705
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: In other words, ours is gonna shoot shoot flatter. We

1706
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: try to be the most accurate, but a lot of

1707
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: people claim that, and that can be really even rifled

1708
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: the rifle. That's crazy thing about accuracy. You can take

1709
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: out and have five barrels made by the same manufacturer,

1710
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: put in the same gun, and one of them would

1711
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: like one bullet better than the next, and they're made

1712
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: to the same specifications. Accuracy, it can be, Man, you

1713
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: chasing accuracy. Man, there there's some science to it and

1714
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: and there's some voodoo and some black magic. It's crazy

1715
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: due to accuracy. But but that's where that understanding and

1716
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: knowing your speed and velocity and energy and drop, that's

1717
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: just a good research and math, you know, type of thing,

1718
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: and that's where we like to think we differentiate. That's

1719
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: how my grandpa started the company. It was actually not

1720
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: with guns, it was with fast moving bullets. That's what

1721
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. His whole philosophy was let's get

1722
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: bullets moving faster. And that's the only reason Kevin and

1723
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: I got a job today is because Grandpa had an

1724
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: idea of moving things faster. I I I so often

1725
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: can point to my Grandpa as the reason I've got

1726
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,680
Speaker 1: this job too. So that's funny how that works out

1727
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 1: something times, that's cool. That is cool. So you talked

1728
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 1: about chasing accuracy around and and one of the things

1729
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 1: you guys stand by is not just your accuracy but

1730
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 1: the speed. Um. But what about let's let's let's go

1731
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 1: back to our example person, our example person. We've talked

1732
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: a little bit about how we should be thinking a

1733
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: little differently if we're going out rifle hunting. Now we've

1734
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about bare bones basic knowledge. You

1735
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: need to pick the right cartridge, to pick the right firearm.

1736
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: Now we were set up. We've got our new gun.

1737
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: We are becoming a more serious rifle hunter. Now I'm

1738
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 1: not just taking Grandpa's gone. I've got a new one.

1739
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm going out there. I'm going to really take this seriously,

1740
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: be the best rifle hunter I possibly can be. Now

1741
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: we've got to talk about actually pulling the trigger and

1742
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: doing it well and handling that moment of truth. Of course,

1743
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,679
Speaker 1: there's been a million things written about how to become

1744
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: a better marksman. People have talked about podcasts, people have

1745
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's all the time, right, But if

1746
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: you guys had to break down and share a couple

1747
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: of your pieces of advice or key things to always

1748
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: keep in mind for someone who's trying to go from

1749
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: the I take my gun out the day before a

1750
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: rifle season, I make sure it's on zero, and then

1751
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: I go out from that guy to them become a

1752
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: guy who can become a really, really good marksman. What

1753
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: would your advice be for making that shift in that

1754
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: transition you want me to start, I've been starting every time. UM,

1755
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the most important thing on

1756
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: that would just be UM practice and repetition, just like

1757
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 1: you would do with anything else, whether it be a

1758
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: sporting activity or or or anything else you're you're doing.

1759
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: You just need to practice with that rifle and that's

1760
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: gonna be the most important thing. UM. Trigger pools a

1761
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: major thing. A lot of people need to make sure

1762
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,519
Speaker 1: that you know, it goes in hand to hand with

1763
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 1: a few things we talked about recoil, and we talked

1764
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 1: about our brakes. A lot of the I would venture

1765
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: to say, this isn't a fact that a lot of

1766
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 1: inaccuracies come from people maybe being scared of the recoil,

1767
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 1: developing a flinch, developing a flinch, developing target panics, something

1768
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: like that. UM brakes helped tremendously with that right now,

1769
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 1: UM And in my opinion, and I know that maybe

1770
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: not everybody does this, but it's super easy to carry

1771
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: around ear plugs these days. And and I carry around

1772
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 1: ear plugs when I hunt, UM, and right before I shoot,

1773
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: I put them in so the break even without it,

1774
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: I've shot a couple of guns without breaks, I mean,

1775
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: with breaks, without your protection, and I've still been still

1776
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: been fine. It's really not been that much different. Now.

1777
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: When you're sitting at a range on a bench and

1778
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: you're under an awning and you're shooting it, it's way louder.

1779
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 1: And that's I think people are like, may that breaks

1780
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: so loud. But a lot of the time, the only

1781
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: time they ever hear it's at a range when their

1782
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: neighbors just blowing their ear drums out. So in the

1783
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: open field or in the timber man that the brakes

1784
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: aren't as bad as they really really limit recoil. But

1785
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,520
Speaker 1: obviously I think pulling the triggers probably the most important

1786
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 1: part of being UM a good marksman UM breath control, UM,

1787
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: knowing your your inhales and your ex shales on your trigger,

1788
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: your pool, and how you kind of approach that situation. UM.

1789
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 1: I think all that that's pretty important, and I really

1790
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: would echo that and also just go back to that

1791
01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: positioning in practicing in field positions, and to be honest,

1792
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: you can do that UM in in a in a

1793
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: safe in a safe way. You can do that without shooting.

1794
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: I remember doing that with my wife and kids early

1795
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: on when they were getting into hunting. Is we'd go

1796
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: into backyard and we live in a rural area, but

1797
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 1: we wouldn't get ammunition. And you just go out there,

1798
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: grab a pack, maybe grab sticks, bipod what you might have.

1799
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some bushes in your backyard, and go see

1800
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: that rock up on the hill two o'clock. That's an

1801
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 1: elk and it's you got ten seconds to get your

1802
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 1: side on it before it goes over that hill. What

1803
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: would you do right now? And it's a three and

1804
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: or fifty yards so I'm not gonna shoot it, you know, offhand,

1805
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? And it's getting down in

1806
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: that position, and I've seen a lot of people just

1807
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: either rush it and miss animals or never get a

1808
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: shot off because you don't understand, like when you're in

1809
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 1: the field like that and in the moment, like you

1810
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: gotta be able to think constantly, Okay, what am I doing?

1811
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: What position am I getting in? And I grabbing sticks

1812
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: and I grabbing a bipod? Am I throwing it on

1813
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: a pack? And I resting it on a limb? And

1814
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 1: really understanding your points of contact with the ground. So

1815
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: the more points of contact you have, like even if

1816
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: you're sitting on your butt using sticks or a limb,

1817
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: it's okay, I want an elbow on a knee. And

1818
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: it's figuring those things out. And so it's not just

1819
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people can shoot a lot

1820
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: of really good stuff at a bench, But I'm really

1821
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: convinced that a lot of people don't practice enough in

1822
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: field positions on hills. You know, I don't know, it's

1823
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: all those different things, and so I really encourage people

1824
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: to practice in those type of positions that may be

1825
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: a buddy with the ranch or some land you can

1826
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: go out to, depending on the rules that you range

1827
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: and where you're at. If you can go prone, their

1828
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: use sticks and then know your distances per shooting position. Uh.

1829
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Obviously standing sometimes you're gonna of shooting animal you bust

1830
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: them out of the sticks and in the woods. So

1831
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: I'll cunt with my son a few weeks ago, and

1832
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: we busted a bunch of bulls at fifty to sixty

1833
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: yards uh in the trees. Didn't have time to set up.

1834
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: Therefore we didn't shoot an elk, but right in that moment,

1835
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: offhand would have been best. Uh. But then obviously if

1836
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: he had seen one at four hundred yards, he's he

1837
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: was gonna want to get prone and and establishing kind

1838
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: of how to how to do that, and even the

1839
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: shooting accessories you need, Like I have a system I use.

1840
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: Um it's a spartan uh, both a carbon fiber bipod

1841
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: and shooting sticks, and my shooting sticks would go to

1842
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: full standing. I can go sitting, and I can go prone,

1843
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: and I know in any of those positions that enables

1844
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: me to go out further. If I'm just hoping there's

1845
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: a tree branch that doesn't happen. If I just sit

1846
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: down on my button, don't have sticks, I'm not gonna

1847
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: shoot out as far. So it's really understanding that positioning

1848
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: and and really purchasing gear that will enable you to

1849
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: to be able to shoot out further as well. Yeah,

1850
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: that's such good advice, I feel, and I've alluded to

1851
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 1: this several times, but there is this, uh, this mistake

1852
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: that I think that happens commonly. And I'm saying this

1853
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 1: because I have done in the past, which is assuming

1854
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 1: that when you pick up the rifle, it's it's easy time,

1855
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: it's time to des grab the gun, go out, and

1856
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: then you can shoot your deer. But so many mistakes

1857
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: I think happened when you go into it that assumption

1858
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: and you don't practice in the different positions. You don't

1859
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,919
Speaker 1: give the time and care to making the right decisions

1860
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,520
Speaker 1: around the right cartridge or the right optic, or practicing

1861
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: just as much as you do with your bow. I

1862
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of people understand that details matter when

1863
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: it comes to getting proficient with a bow, and then

1864
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,240
Speaker 1: they ignore that very same thing with their next weapon,

1865
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: the next phase of their season. And I think I

1866
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: think people pay for that. So this is This is

1867
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: such important foundational knowledge that I appreciate you guys taken

1868
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: the time to step back and talk about the basic things.

1869
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I know this is probably maybe boring for you to

1870
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: have to go through these basic ideas again and again

1871
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: again for so many people over decades and decades, but

1872
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what. People need it and uh and

1873
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much. If if two things, number one,

1874
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: I think we have to get some time on the

1875
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,799
Speaker 1: calendar someday to do the part to the advanced level course,

1876
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: which I think hopefully if people will listen to this

1877
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 1: and kay, decide all right, I've got my basics covered,

1878
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and take this to the next level.

1879
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: And then next year they're gonna say, Okay, now how

1880
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: do I really ramp things up. We're gonna have to

1881
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: have a round two schedule. But if well, then I

1882
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: got an idea for a market, or for around three market,

1883
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: and that would be that would be let's go hunting.

1884
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: Then come back and do a podcast and talk about

1885
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 1: how it actually worked in the field. Needs to happen.

1886
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 1: I love that idea. I love that call me in,

1887
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 1: call me in for you can make it happen, especially

1888
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: if we're chasing some of those under the radar huge

1889
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,799
Speaker 1: Wyoming white tails that I keep hearing. No, they don't exist,

1890
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: They're not here. We don't have any white Tale Nope,

1891
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: there's no white tales in Wyom that wouldn't come here. Okay,

1892
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 1: we'll keep that secret. Um But in the meantime between

1893
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: now and then, for people that want to learn more

1894
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: about whether Be or even learn more about some of

1895
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: the concepts we talked about, it sounds like your customer

1896
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: service team can offer a lot on that side as well.

1897
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 1: How do they get in touch with you? How do

1898
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: they how do they get some of this information? Sure, yeah,

1899
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Speaker 1: weatherby dot com is gonna be obviously the first place

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Speaker 1: to go to. But you know, if you're interested, you know,

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01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put a plug in there. But if

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Speaker 1: you're interested in this kind of talk and um what

1903
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: we do here at whether it be in the ballistics

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Speaker 1: and the rifles we have on our mark the weather

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Speaker 1: Be podcast where me and Adam and Luke and a

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01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: couple other guys from here talk about this stuff often. Um,

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01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: So that could be a good resource for somebody who

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Speaker 1: who's actively listening to podcasts check that out on our

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Speaker 1: Mark and then also we actually do a good job

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Speaker 1: at trying to relay some information on our Instagram channel.

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Speaker 1: Um so, so that's just Kevin has this thing called

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Speaker 1: cartridge Wars and he puts it up and he'll he'll

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Speaker 1: he'll don't tell everybody it's me. Now I'm gonna get

1914
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: hate mail. Oh uh. Team here at weather weather Wreck

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01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: leadership of Kevin and and they will put a weather

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Speaker 1: Be cartridge versus something else and will be hundreds of

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01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: comments of people losing their minds. And we love it

1918
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: because it gets people thinking about this stuff and it's

1919
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of fun. We just did to hear

1920
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: this fall, launch a whole new Mark five line and

1921
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: have a lot really I think a pretty brought a

1922
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Speaker 1: pretty broad range of variety of different you know rifles,

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Speaker 1: and we go started five hundred bucks in a vanguard

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Speaker 1: all the way up to you know, several thousand obviously,

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01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: so we kind of the middle middle everywhere you check

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Speaker 1: it out, and we uh, you know, just we're in

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Speaker 1: plug period here. So we dropped also dropped the price

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Speaker 1: of our ammunition. It's one thing that people talk about

1929
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Speaker 1: and generally is a barrier or entry to the weather

1930
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Speaker 1: be family. Being a part of this family is is

1931
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: all that amyunition is too expensive? Well, we dropped our ammunition.

1932
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 1: We're we're definitely way more competitive now with some things

1933
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 1: we're doing here at the company. And and that's important

1934
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Speaker 1: to note that if you're looking for that high performance

1935
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: ballistic superiority, it's well within reason now to get into

1936
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: that into that family of products. So um, any of

1937
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Speaker 1: the any of the things, just look us up on

1938
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 1: us all phone numbers on the website. I don't know

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01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:03,719
Speaker 1: it's a new Wyoming number. I don't even know the number.

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Speaker 1: So it's uh, three oh seven just came to me. Well,

1941
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Speaker 1: let's you guys have an amazing new facility to there

1942
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Speaker 1: and sheared and that's that's open to visitors to right.

1943
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: Um we have a visitors center UM up front that's

1944
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: got a bunch of cool stuff. We've got a bunch

1945
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 1: of old historical memorabilia from the roy days, the days

1946
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: where Adam ed was here. Um. And then we've also

1947
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: got a bunch of great mounts that people have shot

1948
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 1: through the years. We we do have um some rifles

1949
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Speaker 1: available for people that are coming through. We sell some

1950
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Speaker 1: rifles rifles, shotguns, so people can you can kind of

1951
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: shoulder them and see what the lineups like. And then

1952
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, some accessories and amo things like that for sale,

1953
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a cool place. We get it's

1954
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: cool just during hunting season here because see, we out

1955
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: in California, we just didn't really have that, so we

1956
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: kind of opened up this little visitors center and folks

1957
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: will stop in. As funny here because these last couple

1958
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Speaker 1: of months, basically about ten to two, you get guys

1959
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: with orange hats and camo walking in, uh, because they've

1960
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 1: gone out in the morning and they said, hey, let's

1961
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 1: go kill time. We heard whether we moved to Shared

1962
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Speaker 1: in Wyoming, and they come in and check stuff out.

1963
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Speaker 1: So you just see pick up after pickup coming in

1964
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Speaker 1: with a bunch of guys in camo and orange and

1965
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Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of fun. So if you're out

1966
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Speaker 1: this way, we're right by the Montana border. They're Shared

1967
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Speaker 1: in Wyoming, come by and uh check us out. That's awesome. Well,

1968
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Speaker 1: Adam Kevin, I can't thank you enough for taking the

1969
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Speaker 1: time to do this. I enjoyed it, and I whether

1970
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Speaker 1: you know it or not, I'm definitely gonna take you

1971
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Speaker 1: up on your offer. Oh no, we're doing it. Let's

1972
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Speaker 1: do already got a plan, we just won't talk about

1973
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Speaker 1: it alive on this podcast. All right, I like it? Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys, and uh, best of luck the rest

1975
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Speaker 1: of your hunting season too. And that is a rap I.

1976
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Speaker 1: Hope you guys enjoyed this. Hopefully you learned a thing

1977
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Speaker 1: or two. Hopefully you're be heading out there into the field,

1978
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Speaker 1: whether it's with a bowl or a gun, whatever it is,

1979
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Speaker 1: Best of luck, have some fun, shoot straight, and until

1980
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Speaker 1: next time, stay Wired to Hunt. H