Speaker 1: Throughout the eighties and nineties, gang violence plagued the Humboldt
Speaker 1: Park area of Chicago, and on January sixteenth, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 1: members of the Spanish Cobras fired upon three members of
Speaker 1: the Latin Kings, killing one young man and injuring another.
Speaker 1: A passer by in a vehicle was also struck by
Speaker 1: a stray bullet. A confidential informants tip naming sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Fabian Santiago, allegedly made its way through a few
Speaker 1: detectives before reaching the lead detective on the case, Ernest Halferson.
Speaker 1: When the police arrested Fabian, they also claimed to have
Speaker 1: found a gun in Fabian's bedroom. Then two eye witnesses,
Speaker 1: including one of the surviving victims, identified Fabian from a lineup,
Speaker 1: even though the witness's initial descriptions varied wildly from Fabian,
Speaker 1: who was also not a member of the Spanish Cobras.
Speaker 1: It was going to take a whole lot more to
Speaker 1: outweigh the state's case. But this is wrongful conviction. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to wrongful conviction. And we're here today with a
Speaker 1: story that has so much corruption, and I'll call it what,
Speaker 1: it's pure evil. The miracle is that the man himself
Speaker 1: who was victimized by these horrible detectives and others, is
Speaker 1: that the fact that he's still alive. Fabian Santiago, welcome
Speaker 1: to wrongful conviction.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for having me and with him.
Speaker 1: Ashley Cohen is a partner at Bungin Law Group, and
Speaker 1: she and her partner are responsible for justice having been
Speaker 1: not denied, delayed horribly, but not denied after all these years.
Speaker 1: So Ashley, thank.
Speaker 3: You for being here, Thanks for having me Jason, and.
Speaker 1: Let's get right into it. This crime is a horrible
Speaker 1: crime with real victims. But this was back in in
Speaker 1: an era when the Humble Park area of Chicago was
Speaker 1: riddled with violence. So it was a horrible crime, but
Speaker 1: also enforcing not a crime that you wouldn't hear about
Speaker 1: fairly regularly.
Speaker 2: Well for anyone who's aware of Humble Park. It's a
Speaker 2: world of difference today than what it previously was. It
Speaker 2: was the height of the crack epidemic, utterly gang and
Speaker 2: drug infested. Many murders did not even make the news
Speaker 2: at that time. It wasn't a place for anyone to live,
Speaker 2: let alone for a kid to grow up. I remember
Speaker 2: I would look down and broad daylight to the corner
Speaker 2: of my block, and I would see dozens of gang
Speaker 2: members women prostituted themselves in open air drug markets. This
Speaker 2: is what I grew up to. In fact, early on
Speaker 2: I couldn't have been more than ten years old. There
Speaker 2: was a rival gang member who was on a bike
Speaker 2: driving down my street and the gang members that lived
Speaker 2: in my neighborhood spotted him and chased him down and
Speaker 2: blew his brains out.
Speaker 1: That was Humble Park, terrifying story. And there are countless
Speaker 1: murders that weren't solved, and then there were countless others
Speaker 1: that were listed as solved that were actually not solved
Speaker 1: at all, like the one we're about to talk about.
Speaker 1: But usually we start by telling what was your life
Speaker 1: like before this happened. You were really just a child.
Speaker 2: I was four days and attorney sixteen years old when
Speaker 2: I was framed for murder.
Speaker 1: Previously, we've covered cases from this year in Humboldt Park,
Speaker 1: Marilyn Malaro and Jacques Rivera, and we'll have their stories
Speaker 1: linked in the bio, both of whom were also victims
Speaker 1: of the same notorious detectives, Ernest Halverson and Ronaldo Guevera.
Speaker 2: Make no mistake about it, Detective Halverson Guevara in this
Speaker 2: group of rogue detectives functioned as nothing less than a
Speaker 2: criminal organization, not out of a crack house, not out
Speaker 2: of a gang infested neighborhood, out of the Area five
Speaker 2: police precinct.
Speaker 1: And let us not forget that then, in case you
Speaker 1: think there's any hyperbole here, since the nineteen eighties, over
Speaker 1: one hundred cases proven in which Chicago police officers fabricated
Speaker 1: false evidence and or suppressed exculpatory evidence in order to
Speaker 1: directly cause the convictions of innocent people for serious violent
Speaker 1: crimes that they didn't commitment. Ye.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I think it needs to be emphasized the
Speaker 2: fact that these are just the cases that have come
Speaker 2: to light. There have been men who have died in
Speaker 2: prison because of cases like this, irreparably damaged. I have
Speaker 2: no men who took their lives because of the cold
Speaker 2: and stark realities that one has to deal with in
Speaker 2: the prison system.
Speaker 1: This detective team, Guavara and Halverson, ran a gang unit
Speaker 1: that often investigated the activity of Puerto Rican gangs like
Speaker 1: the Latin Kings, the Latin Disciples, the Spanish Cobra is
Speaker 1: just to day a few. But what is also clear
Speaker 1: is that there are varying degrees to which the residents
Speaker 1: of humbold Park were actually even involved in gang activity,
Speaker 1: if at all. Now, Fabian lived in an area of
Speaker 1: control by the Latin Disciples.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure Fabian could speak to this more than
Speaker 4: I can. But during this time period, if you lived
Speaker 4: on a certain block, you were associated with a certain gang.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter if you actually were in a gang,
Speaker 4: if you ever were initiated. Fabian didn't have a history
Speaker 4: of violent there was nothing in his record, but the
Speaker 4: area where he lived and who he hung around with,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden he is part of the specific gang.
Speaker 2: There was stipulation that I was associated with the Latin Disciples,
Speaker 2: and that was not even the organization that had carried
Speaker 2: out this homicide, which was according to these police reports,
Speaker 2: the Spanish Cobras.
Speaker 1: And the incident at the crux of Fabian's wrongful conviction
Speaker 1: appears to have been a gang hit on the Latin Kings,
Speaker 1: which happened on January sixteenth, nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 4: Three individuals, William Stewart, John Meatos and Pedro Muriel were
Speaker 4: walking home from a liquor store in Humble Park and
Speaker 4: guns were fired in their direction. One of the offenders
Speaker 4: yelled King killer and Cobra Love before basically pulling out
Speaker 4: a handgun and shooting it multiple times in the direction
Speaker 4: of the victims. William Stewart died as a result of
Speaker 4: the gunshot wounds, Muriel suffered a gunshot wound that hospitalized
Speaker 4: him for six weeks, and Marcelia Hernandez, she was driving
Speaker 4: by in a vehicle, had sustained minor injuries as well.
Speaker 4: The offenders fled down an alley, and so there's a death,
Speaker 4: there's another attempt murder, and there's another individual who is injured.
Speaker 3: And there were a.
Speaker 4: Ton of witnesses, several of whom could not make identifications,
Speaker 4: could not give much of any information about the shooters.
Speaker 3: But there were these.
Speaker 4: Two individuals, Matos and Rivera, who ultimately were the ones
Speaker 4: who gave a description and eventually allegedly identified Fabian in
Speaker 4: lineups and testified a trial.
Speaker 1: Matos, a Latin King, was one of the targets. Rivera
Speaker 1: was a gang member as well, so you can easily
Speaker 1: imagine that they would have been easy for the police
Speaker 1: to coerce. However, Marcella Hernandez, the driving passer by caught
Speaker 1: in the gunfire, and her younger sister Lrena were able
Speaker 1: to give descriptions as well, and while the age description
Speaker 1: for the primary shooter varied from late teens to mid twenties,
Speaker 1: all the witnesses agreed that he was white, Hispanic, about
Speaker 1: five ten, one hundred and eighty pounds, either a mustache
Speaker 1: or a beard, and the accomplice was described as a
Speaker 1: mid twenties Hispanic male about six feet tall and two
Speaker 1: hundred pounds.
Speaker 2: And at the time I was only approximately five foot
Speaker 2: three or four one hundred pounds. I was sixteen years old.
Speaker 2: The shooter who was described as a left handed shooter,
Speaker 2: I've been right handed all my life, so in no way,
Speaker 2: shape or form did they resemble my description.
Speaker 1: Another thing that makes no sense about this case is
Speaker 1: the fact that the shooter yelled out Cobra loved King Killer,
Speaker 1: basically proclaiming his affiliation with the Spanish Cobras and the
Speaker 1: intended victims of Latin kings. Meanwhile, as we mentioned, Fabian
Speaker 1: lived in Latin Disciple territory. But Fabian was drawn into
Speaker 1: this mess when Detective Ernest Halverson alleged that he received
Speaker 1: a tip from another detective, Bill Dorsh.
Speaker 4: What happens is Halverson says that he was told by
Speaker 4: Bill Dorsch that Dorsch received a tip from another officer
Speaker 4: who said an informant told him that he heard Fabian
Speaker 4: ragging about shooting some kings and that the gun used
Speaker 4: and the shooting was in Fabian's house.
Speaker 2: They came pounding at the door and I was taking
Speaker 2: immediately into custody.
Speaker 3: And he's sixteen years old.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have a parent, he doesn't have a lawyer,
Speaker 4: and he's placed in an interrogation room at Area five.
Speaker 2: My grandmother at the time is whom I was staying with.
Speaker 2: She was my legal guardian. She arrived at the police
Speaker 2: station with an aunt of mine, Alberta Perez, and she
Speaker 2: demanded to see me. She made it abundantly clear that
Speaker 2: she wanted an attorney president and to be there as well.
Speaker 2: My aunt translated for her and informed them that they
Speaker 2: were prohibited from seeing me at that time because of
Speaker 2: our lineups being conducted, that he would call them back.
Speaker 2: They never called them.
Speaker 1: So they put Fabian in a lineup for the witnesses.
Speaker 1: Matos Rivera as well as Marcella and Lorena Hernandez, all
Speaker 1: of whom were between the ages of fourteen and seventeen.
Speaker 4: And we've developed significant evidence that shows that there was
Speaker 4: a pattern where these Area five detectives investigating these cases
Speaker 4: would usually prey on the younger victim and or witnesses
Speaker 4: officers like Wavara and officers like Halverson, who would tell
Speaker 4: them who to pick out in a lineup. In fact,
Speaker 4: Dorshe in another case, testifies that he saw Guavara do
Speaker 4: this in a lineup where Guavara basically said pick out
Speaker 4: that guy, that's the one who did it, and Dorsch
Speaker 4: was like, what are you doing. You're not allowed to
Speaker 4: tell somebody who to pick out in a lineup.
Speaker 2: During the lineup, I was the only one that was
Speaker 2: made to stand up and yell out cober Love King
Speaker 2: Killer the only one. And no one in that lineup
Speaker 2: resembled me. Everyone was an adult taller older than me.
Speaker 2: And even with that, you had the two women that
Speaker 2: were driving by in the motor vehicle. They told the
Speaker 2: detectives we did not see him do anything. We do
Speaker 2: not want to identify someone who was not involved. We
Speaker 2: don't want someone who's innocent going to prison and the
Speaker 2: police completely blew up on them, telling her this is
Speaker 2: the guy who did it. All you need to do
Speaker 2: is point them out.
Speaker 4: So this whole concept of these young kids picking out
Speaker 4: individuals in a lineup. Although it seems, oh, you have
Speaker 4: two eyewitnesses who are identifying Fabian as the shooter, it's
Speaker 4: usually bogus.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately this information did not come to light until
Speaker 1: Fabian had already spent decades in prison. So after this
Speaker 1: pretty much directed identification from Matos and Rivera at Area five,
Speaker 1: Fabian was returned to the interrogation room, where the misconduct continued.
Speaker 4: Halverson tells Fabian that Fabian needed to sign a consent
Speaker 4: to search his house so that he can protect his
Speaker 4: personal property, which may be destroyed once they go back
Speaker 4: there and search his house.
Speaker 2: They're yelling and screaming at me, telling me to sign.
Speaker 2: I had requested the presence of counsel my grandmother. They
Speaker 2: weren't trying to hear any of that. They were doing
Speaker 2: everything they could to terrorize and just to get me
Speaker 2: to relent. They will, look, at least, you're going to
Speaker 2: be reimbursed if your stuff is destroyed, because we are
Speaker 2: going to destroy your stuff, and I ultimately ended up
Speaker 2: signing that form. The thing was later on, I came
Speaker 2: to understand, according to my aunt, that as soon as
Speaker 2: I was taken into custody, these detectives were already tearing
Speaker 2: up my home. So irregardless whether they had obtained a
Speaker 2: written consent for me or not, they had already been
Speaker 2: conducting the search, so this was all just simply to
Speaker 2: cover their asses.
Speaker 1: Fabian was initially charged with illegal possession of a firearm,
Speaker 1: so outside the presence of counsel or a guardian, they
Speaker 1: got mission to find the gun that they originally arrested
Speaker 1: him for. With this trickery to obtain the consent for
Speaker 1: a search, one can only surmise that they did not
Speaker 1: have the probable cause to get a judge to sign
Speaker 1: off on a search warrant.
Speaker 2: It was further solidified that they were planting this firearm
Speaker 2: when William Dorsch came forward and attested I had not
Speaker 2: produced an informant probable cause, and if I had gathered
Speaker 2: this evidence, I would have come myself to have arrested you.
Speaker 2: I would not have involved these detectives because I had
Speaker 2: known even at that time that they were so.
Speaker 1: Corrupt again, this is information that didn't come to light
Speaker 1: until Fabian had already spent almost thirty years in prison.
Speaker 1: And we'll come back to these revelations from William Dorritsch
Speaker 1: a bit later. So back to the interrogation room, they
Speaker 1: had gotten the search consent signed, and then shortly after
Speaker 1: Detective Halverson returned with this gun and pointed it in
Speaker 1: Fabian's face, saying, quote, now you know how it feels.
Speaker 1: This is the gun that you had unquote.
Speaker 2: And when he pointed it to my head, I insisted
Speaker 2: that the firearm was at mine, that I wasn't involved
Speaker 2: he assaulted me.
Speaker 1: So no surprise that you ultimately relented and just said,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you want to hear. So they
Speaker 1: now had a false confession.
Speaker 4: Well, the only thing that came in at trial was
Speaker 4: that Fabian made alleged oral statements to Halverson. So even
Speaker 4: though Fabian had a gun pointed at him, was beaten
Speaker 4: up by Halverson, he still would not give a written
Speaker 4: statement to the state's attorney.
Speaker 2: I never signed off on any confession and it was
Speaker 2: not recorded.
Speaker 1: To recap. Detective Halverson and his cohorts had an alleged,
Speaker 1: unrecord ordered oral confession the directed identification from Matos and
Speaker 1: Rivera and this gun that was almost certainly planted that
Speaker 1: they claimed magic bullets founded the scene. At this time,
Speaker 1: Fabian's grandmother sold her home to post his bond and
Speaker 1: help him out a defense. Yet somehow Fabian had even
Speaker 1: more dire problems than this case.
Speaker 2: Back at this time, the gangs ruled these neighborhoods with
Speaker 2: an iron fist. And because I was implicated in this crime,
Speaker 2: the laon Kings had placed a contract hit out on me,
Speaker 2: and they tried to gun me down in a car chase,
Speaker 2: and they left a note on my grandmother's house saying
Speaker 2: we know where you live.
Speaker 4: So he's again wrongly accused, wrongly accused by the gangs,
Speaker 4: and he's wrongly accused by the officers.
Speaker 2: There is no rationalizing, there is no talking it out.
Speaker 2: Not only my own health and safety, but my families
Speaker 2: was at risk. And I left.
Speaker 1: So where the hell did you go? Where is a
Speaker 1: sixteen years kid with no resources, with everybody looking for them,
Speaker 1: Where the hell do you go and hide?
Speaker 2: I left the state of all noise. I just bounced around.
Speaker 2: I wasn't in one single place for too long. Whether
Speaker 2: it was a friend or finding a hotel room or
Speaker 2: an apartment, whatever the case may have been. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 2: had to utilize whatever methods were necessary for me to
Speaker 2: survive selling drugs or just working a part time gig
Speaker 2: or whatever have you.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then finally you get tried in absentia. We've
Speaker 1: literally never had that happen on the show. Ashley, give
Speaker 1: us the cliff notes of this ridiculous trial.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Fabian has a private attorney. He goes to
Speaker 4: trial before a judge by the name of Judge Tuman,
Speaker 4: who was notoriously known for being very hard on juveniles.
Speaker 4: They show up for trial, Judge says, where's mister Santiago
Speaker 4: and his attorney says, I don't know, can we postpone?
Speaker 3: And Judge says, well, he was told to be here
Speaker 3: at ten am.
Speaker 4: We're going for Basically, the evidence at trial is these
Speaker 4: two eyewitnesses who identify him in the lineup, which we
Speaker 4: know were bogus, and Halverson testifies that he recovered a
Speaker 4: gun in Fabian's home which was tested and the ballistics
Speaker 4: matched the gun that.
Speaker 3: Was used in the shooting.
Speaker 4: And there is a state's attorney who provides testimony of
Speaker 4: alleged oral inculpatory statements. He testifies that Fabian admitted to
Speaker 4: participating in the shooting, and that's what he's convicted on, which,
Speaker 4: if you're looking at it objectively, seems kind of alike
Speaker 4: a lot of evidence. The problem is all of it
Speaker 4: was built on a lie and none of it is
Speaker 4: actually legitimate. I mean, I think the state's attorney, what
Speaker 4: he did at this time is almost as appalling as
Speaker 4: what the officers did. I mean, they knew what was
Speaker 4: going on behind closed doors. There was no court reporter present,
Speaker 4: there was no handwritten statement, there was nothing memorialized on paper.
Speaker 4: It was just oral statements that come in through Halverson
Speaker 4: and through this prosecutor.
Speaker 3: So that is just absurd in my mind.
Speaker 1: Other than cross examining Matos and Rivera about the inconsistencies
Speaker 1: between their descriptions of the assailants and Fabian, not much
Speaker 1: of a defense was mounted at all. Plus the appearance
Speaker 1: of going on the lamb probably was not helpful. So
Speaker 1: the jury reached a predictable conclusion, and on May eighteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Fabian was convicted of murder, attempted murder,
Speaker 1: as well as related firearms charges and sentenced to ninety
Speaker 1: years news that he received while he was still on
Speaker 1: the run for his very life.
Speaker 2: It was crushing and as horrific as it was for
Speaker 2: that type of sentence to have been handed down, my
Speaker 2: only focus was on staying away from Chicago to stay alive.
Speaker 2: Over a year and a half later, I was depleted
Speaker 2: of funds and I came back to Chicago trying to
Speaker 2: get to assistance, and as I was walking the street,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they knew who I was or
Speaker 2: they were just stopping me, and ultimately I was brought
Speaker 2: back into custody.
Speaker 1: Now Fabian was not only made to serve this insane sentence,
Speaker 1: but he was also being tried for jumping bail, so
Speaker 1: ten more years were added on to this ninety year sentence.
Speaker 4: Ten years also for a bail jumping is absurd. That
Speaker 4: was a judge being pissed to sell that he didn't
Speaker 4: show up the trial.
Speaker 2: I had a public defender. She didn't ask me why
Speaker 2: I was unable to attend my trial. She could care less.
Speaker 2: She simply was yelling and telling me, look, the judge
Speaker 2: is pissed off. You need to take this plea. I
Speaker 2: figured that it made little of any difference, and I
Speaker 2: accepted it for a total of a one hundred year
Speaker 2: prison sentence. Because of the incredible amount of time that
Speaker 2: I was incarcerated. I was in every single maximum state
Speaker 2: penitentiary in Illinois several times over. It was very violent
Speaker 2: and you had to defend yourself. There was men who
Speaker 2: were stabbed up, murdered. In fact, I know of one
Speaker 2: incident where a cellmate got involved in a physical confrontation
Speaker 2: with his cellmate and he tore his eyeballs out. He's
Speaker 2: blind and he threw his eyes on the gallery. The
Speaker 2: carnage was incredible. I knew men who have taken their
Speaker 2: lives for far less than what I had endured, simply
Speaker 2: because they didn't want to deal with how cold and
Speaker 2: stark that reality was. The United States government propagates this
Speaker 2: belief that China Russia engaged in human rights abuses. People
Speaker 2: in this country are tortured every day in the prison system.
Speaker 1: So getting Fabian out of that horrible situation could not
Speaker 1: have been more urgent. But the appeals process moved very slowly.
Speaker 2: I went through the core process, ineffective assistance of counsel,
Speaker 2: unlawful searces and seizures. I got nowhere very quick.
Speaker 4: And one thing that was crazy is his pellet attorney.
Speaker 4: She didn't raise the issue of him being tried in abstentia.
Speaker 4: So when you don't raise the issue on direct appeal,
Speaker 4: you ultimately waive it because it's not preserved.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how you don't raise that.
Speaker 2: While I was in prison, I immersed myself in study
Speaker 2: and litigation. I pursued numerous litigations against the Illinois Department
Speaker 2: of Corrections, civil litigations. From these lawsuits that I would
Speaker 2: succeed in, I was able to pay for my own lawyers,
Speaker 2: and every one of these attorneys did nothing but sell
Speaker 2: me a pipe dream and take my money, and worst
Speaker 2: of all, cause even further years, if not decades, of
Speaker 2: my life being wasted away in prison. Ultimately, I wrote
Speaker 2: Jennifer bon Jing requesting legal representation, and later on she
Speaker 2: had seen me on Zoom and she had bear witness
Speaker 2: personally to my outlage about my innocence.
Speaker 1: During COVID, a lot of the hearings began to take
Speaker 1: place on zoom, and when you had the zoom meeting
Speaker 1: for the judge in front of whom you had the case,
Speaker 1: he would often end up listening in on the proceedings
Speaker 1: for four years, you know, while you're waiting for yours
Speaker 1: to come up. And as a result of that, Ashley's
Speaker 1: partner Jennifer bon Jean overheard Fabian's arguments.
Speaker 4: It was around Halloween twenty twenty, and I remember her
Speaker 4: calling me and she was like, I just watched the
Speaker 4: craziest thing on zoom in Judge Kenworthy. This guy, he's
Speaker 4: a Halberson case and he is in on a legal sentence,
Speaker 4: was advocating for himself.
Speaker 2: I was arguing, basically before the court, look, I'm actually
Speaker 2: innocent of these crimes. However, it would make a flying
Speaker 2: fuck of a difference to me if I were guilty
Speaker 2: of everything I've done. The prison time of three or
Speaker 2: four men I knew, men whom had been given twenty
Speaker 2: years for murders. They did ten years, and they went home.
Speaker 2: And here I was riding away from the age of
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old kid, completely innocent of the charges,
Speaker 2: and I had lost almost thirty years already.
Speaker 1: By this time, a slew of landmarks gotis rulings had
Speaker 1: made mandatory juvenile sentencing statutes unconstitutional, so Ashley and Jennifer
Speaker 1: were able to split Fabian's actual innocence claim from his resentencing,
Speaker 1: and they tackled that first.
Speaker 2: With the resentencing, I would have been required to have
Speaker 2: completed a prison sentence of seventeen years, so I had
Speaker 2: completed that sentence by over a decade, which required my
Speaker 2: immediate discharge from custody.
Speaker 4: The resentencing hearing was January seventh, twenty twenty two. On
Speaker 4: January twelfth, twenty twenty two, He's released.
Speaker 2: It was surreal. I had fought so long for that day,
Speaker 2: and unfortunately I had been gone for such an incredible
Speaker 2: period of time that all of my immediate family were gone.
Speaker 2: My mother and my only brother had passed away while
Speaker 2: I was in prison. I didn't have any home. My grandmother,
Speaker 2: who made every sacrifice, was suffering from dementia. This woman
Speaker 2: raised me, She cared for me and provided for me.
Speaker 2: She went into financial ruin to help me. She lost
Speaker 2: her house, she lost everything, and now she could not
Speaker 2: even remember my name. When I got out of prison,
Speaker 2: I didn't even have anyone to pick me up. Arrangements
Speaker 2: had to be made for someone to pick me up
Speaker 2: and to take me to a homeless shelter.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So Robert Almodovar is another one of our clients, and
Speaker 4: he does amazing work since he's been out. He was
Speaker 4: released in twenty seventeen, and all our clients who have
Speaker 4: been released since, he's just amazing. He drives them and
Speaker 4: he picks them up, takes them where they needed.
Speaker 2: He was there for me and I was tremendously grateful
Speaker 2: for that. And I remember him telling me he was
Speaker 2: going to get me a cheap phone so I could
Speaker 2: have a means of communication. And I told him I
Speaker 2: don't need a phone. I don't have many people in
Speaker 2: my life. If I need to make a phone call,
Speaker 2: I can walk down to the corner store and used
Speaker 2: to pay phone. And he goes, Fabian, you don't understand.
Speaker 2: You've been gone so long. Payphones don't exist out here anymore.
Speaker 2: I got to get your phone.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely devastating to know that Fabian lost so many years.
Speaker 1: Well all along, the information that would have and could
Speaker 1: have set him free was readily available but hidden from view,
Speaker 1: and so in pursuit of his innocence claims, Ashley and
Speaker 1: Jennifer reached out to William Dorsch.
Speaker 3: We had worked with Dorish in the past.
Speaker 4: He was a witness and actually Robert al the Dovar's
Speaker 4: case and in other cases and pattern and practice cases
Speaker 4: as it relates to Guevara. And when we got Fabian's
Speaker 4: homicide file, we saw Dorsh's name was on it, and
Speaker 4: he read the report and he, in no uncertain terms
Speaker 4: said this never happened. What Halverson puts in his report
Speaker 4: is Halverson says Officer Cruise from the twentieth District contacted
Speaker 4: Bill Dorsch, who was in the same area as Halverson,
Speaker 4: and told him about this alleged tip Okay said Fabian
Speaker 4: was running around on his birthday saying, my birthday present
Speaker 4: was shooting.
Speaker 3: Up these people.
Speaker 4: Basically, Bill Dorsch said, if an officer from another district
Speaker 4: had told me about an informant, I would have memorialized
Speaker 4: at some where I would have documented all of this.
Speaker 3: And there was none of that.
Speaker 4: And there was a signature by him allegedly, but he
Speaker 4: said it wasn't his signature.
Speaker 2: It was forged. Yes, William Dortch's testimony was groundbreaking. We
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been able to prove. Look, they falsified police
Speaker 2: reports that William Dortch had conducted lineups. He goes, I
Speaker 2: wasn't even in the police station doing any of this.
Speaker 2: They signed his name off. Why would you need to
Speaker 2: do that. You're clearly involved in something of a nefarious nature.
Speaker 2: You had a cycle of concocted story after story, lying
Speaker 2: about informants police reports, conducting unlawful searches and seizures, taking
Speaker 2: people into custody, illegally, beating suspects into confessions, and pointing
Speaker 2: a gun at them. I mean, when you have that
Speaker 2: cocktail of criminal misconduct on the part of these detectives,
Speaker 2: you got to ask what is their motive here? William
Speaker 2: Dorts came forward basically affirming my colleagues were bunch of
Speaker 2: corrupt detectives.
Speaker 1: Pretty courageous on his part.
Speaker 4: Ultimately he provides us an Affidavid, and we attached his
Speaker 4: affidavit along with the police reports to the petition and
Speaker 4: we file the petition.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, even more information came to light.
Speaker 2: Approximately six months ago, I went to a new doctor
Speaker 2: and her medtech's name was Ellie, and they had mentioned
Speaker 2: that there were various medical records that were missing, and
Speaker 2: I had explained to them that I was wrongfully convicted.
Speaker 2: I gave some account of what I had been subjected to.
Speaker 2: About two months later, I came back to that same
Speaker 2: doctor's office and the tech Ellie tells me, Fabian, we
Speaker 2: live in a very small world. My mother was involved
Speaker 2: in our Kavara case, and every time we see any
Speaker 2: cases involving men who were innocent, we always relate back
Speaker 2: to her experience. And she explained to me that her
Speaker 2: mother and her mother's sister who were driving by in
Speaker 2: a car, and that her mother had been struck in
Speaker 2: the bottox with a bullet, and that when her mother
Speaker 2: and his sister were requested to identify and pick someone
Speaker 2: out of the lineup, they refused to do so because
Speaker 2: they didn't want to send an innocent man in prison.
Speaker 2: And these officers were yelling and screaming at them, telling
Speaker 2: them to pick this person out of a lineup, and
Speaker 2: they were terrorized. They left that police station utterly distraught,
Speaker 2: feeling that the police officers were going to do something
Speaker 2: to them, were going to hurt them or try to
Speaker 2: even arrest them, but they did not relent. And I
Speaker 2: told her that was me in the lineup that your
Speaker 2: mother and her sister refused to identify, and she told me,
Speaker 2: I know it was you. I know you were innocent,
Speaker 2: and my mother and her sister talk about it all
Speaker 2: the time. Every time they see the news, every time
Speaker 2: they see someone that was released, they always talk about you.
Speaker 2: And I know it was your case. That's why I
Speaker 2: told you, and I completely broke down.
Speaker 1: And of course Ellie, the medtech was none other than
Speaker 1: Marcella Hernandez's daughter. Her aunt Lorena had given an UPI
Speaker 1: DAVID that included all of this information in April twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, and Fabian was exonerated that October without even
Speaker 1: having to go through an evidentiary hearing. However, the certificate
Speaker 1: of innocence didn't come as easily, but came nonetheless in
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty three, making him eligible for state compensation.
Speaker 1: But the content of the pending civil litigation has been
Speaker 1: some of the most convincing yet a major Brady violation.
Speaker 1: The gun allegedly used in the shooting had been obtained
Speaker 1: by the detective Guevara from a gang member, not from
Speaker 1: Fabian's bedroom. This detective team, Guevara and Halverson have already
Speaker 1: cost Chicago upwards of eighty two million dollars. Last time
Speaker 1: we covered one of their cases, it was fifty one
Speaker 1: million and that's just from the innocent men and women
Speaker 1: who were able to jump through all of the hoops
Speaker 1: and made it to this level of the exoneration journey.
Speaker 1: We don't know how many others are out there, but
Speaker 1: hopefully will find them all.
Speaker 2: You have figures such as this eighty two million dollars
Speaker 2: plus being thrown out there that have resulted from settlements
Speaker 2: in these wrongful conviction cases just under Ronaldo Guevara or
Speaker 2: his crew. That does not entail the tens of millions
Speaker 2: of dollars that the City of Chicago is also paid
Speaker 2: in legal expenses to defend against these cases.
Speaker 4: These cases penned from anywhere from four to seven years.
Speaker 4: They have one outside firm that represents the City of Chicago.
Speaker 4: They have one outside firm that represents Guavara. They have
Speaker 4: another outside firm that represents all the other defendant officers.
Speaker 4: So no fewer than three firms are on every single
Speaker 4: one of our civil rights cases that we have that
Speaker 4: involve Guavara. And when you think about the amount of
Speaker 4: money that these firms build a city to litigate losing
Speaker 4: cases for four to seven years, it is absolutely insane.
Speaker 4: Not only are they paying attorney's fees, all throughout the process.
Speaker 3: There is a statute that says.
Speaker 4: If we win, not only are we entitled to the
Speaker 4: judgment and award whatever that may be. Fabian did thirty years,
Speaker 4: he gets thirty million dollars, but we can also petition
Speaker 4: the court for our attorney's fees.
Speaker 2: In addition to that, the tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: to the City of Chicago is also paid to convene
Speaker 2: hearings for the city council. You're talking about well into
Speaker 2: the hundreds of millions of dollars now.
Speaker 4: Instead of looking at these cases individually from the beginning
Speaker 4: and saying is this even winnable than saying, hey, he
Speaker 4: did twenty three years in prison, I'm going to offer
Speaker 4: him twelve fifteen something of that sort. They would rather
Speaker 4: spend four to seven years pay outside council. I mean,
Speaker 4: we just filed five civil rights lawsuits in September Lovy
Speaker 4: and Lovy just filed another eleven. They have more coming
Speaker 4: down the pike. Like, that's crazy amounts of money, and
Speaker 4: it just prolongs the trauma of these guys who have
Speaker 4: already suffered so much.
Speaker 2: I got to waste another half decade of my life
Speaker 2: to find get some resolution to this matter when they
Speaker 2: know full well what is going on here.
Speaker 4: We need to make a push to City Council. You
Speaker 4: need to do a better job at assessing these cases
Speaker 4: early on.
Speaker 2: The mayor needs to do something now, not when the
Speaker 2: stars are politically aligned for him to do something about it,
Speaker 2: not during the next election cycle. Now.
Speaker 1: So maybe that should be this week's call to action.
Speaker 1: We're going to call on the folks in power at
Speaker 1: Chicago to put an end to this madness. Pay these
Speaker 1: men and women what they deserve, because, let's face it,
Speaker 1: no one can give them back the time that was
Speaker 1: stolen from them. And with that, let's go to closing arguments,
Speaker 1: where I'm going to thank both of you, Ashley and Fabian.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even have the right words to
Speaker 1: express how sorry I am for this unbelievable ordeal. And
Speaker 1: you know how grateful I am to you both for
Speaker 1: being here. And now I'm just going to kick back
Speaker 1: in my chair with my headphones on and my eyes
Speaker 1: closed and listen to any final time you have, starting
Speaker 1: with Ashley and saving our guest of honor for last.
Speaker 4: I just want to thank you guys for bringing this
Speaker 4: to light and for doing the work that you do,
Speaker 4: because you know, as much as we advocate in the courtroom,
Speaker 4: it's really important for people outside of the courtroom to
Speaker 4: really bring to light the travesties of justice that are
Speaker 4: happening as we speak in not just the city of Chicago,
Speaker 4: but all over the world. And I think it's really important.
Speaker 4: So I commend you guys for really focusing on these
Speaker 4: wrongful conviction cases.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you guys inviting me on and having
Speaker 2: me Whomever is out there listening needs to express outrage
Speaker 2: about what's going on here. This can't be allowed to
Speaker 2: function as the norm. There's no way in the world
Speaker 2: that you can have men and women that are framed
Speaker 2: by corrupt detectives just languish in prison and rot away
Speaker 2: for not years, decades, and then if that's not sufficient,
Speaker 2: to come out of prison and still have to fight
Speaker 2: the government for years more before these cases are finally resolved.
Speaker 2: The underlying problem is not simply corrupt detectives. It's systemic corruption.
Speaker 2: These detectives would never be able to get away with
Speaker 2: what they're involved in if it wasn't for their supervisors,
Speaker 2: whether it's a sergeant, a lieutenant, a captain, whether it's
Speaker 2: a prosecutor, a judge, or the Chicago City Council and
Speaker 2: its legal department. This is nothing new. These cases go
Speaker 2: back even before John Burge. But John Burge was a
Speaker 2: breaking point that should have caused dramatic reform in the system,
Speaker 2: and that has not been the case. The City of
Speaker 2: Chicago's it's council members having brought about sweeping reform to
Speaker 2: root out crooked corrupt cops. In fact, all they've done
Speaker 2: is take issue with the fact that now they're dealing
Speaker 2: with numerous multimillion dollar lawsuits. These lawsuits would never have
Speaker 2: come to pass if it wasn't for them allowing or
Speaker 2: turning a blind eye to this level of corruption. No
Speaker 2: one is held accountable. To this very day, not one
Speaker 2: of these corrupt detectives out of the Ronaldo Gavara crew
Speaker 2: has so much as been administratively held accountable, let alone
Speaker 2: criminally prosecuted. And as long as these people are not
Speaker 2: going to prison the same way poor people go to
Speaker 2: prison and they're protected by the government, these abuses are
Speaker 2: going to continue.
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