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Speaker 2: I thank you were that till halftime of the game.
Speaker 2: The Lakers game down by as many as twenty one points.
Speaker 2: They come back and beat the Clippers one sixteen with
Speaker 2: the one to fourteen to one twelve, one sixteen to
Speaker 2: one twelve.
Speaker 3: We got a late dunk by Cam Reddish twenty one points.
Speaker 2: The Lakers scored thirty nine points in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: twenty one from gold James. He single handedly outscored the
Speaker 2: Clippers by himself. The Clippers scored sixteen in the fourth
Speaker 2: James scored nineteen in the fourth. Anthony Davis Chip then
Speaker 2: with twenty points, twelve rebounds, three blocks, uh D'Angelo Russell
Speaker 2: d low Hill a big three late in the ball
Speaker 2: game to put them up six, and he finished with
Speaker 2: eighteen points six assists. We're gonna start with no, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and start with this game, Jill. You
Speaker 2: saw the game. You were there. The Lakers seemed like
Speaker 2: they were just going through the motion. They were not rebounding,
Speaker 2: they were not playing any defense, and all they did
Speaker 2: was turned them all over in the first half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just seems like, you know, with this group,
Speaker 1: they still don't have their.
Speaker 3: Their stuff together, and it's it's weird because it's.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, we've been together a few months, all
Speaker 1: Star Break. We should be like clockwork, and it still
Speaker 1: seems like they have no idea where each other should be,
Speaker 1: what each other wants to do, you know. And it's
Speaker 1: weird because you watch the Clippers and they look like
Speaker 1: they're in motion. I mean, they had what some points
Speaker 1: in the first half. Yeah, and it's like that's how
Speaker 1: we should be right now, and the fact that we're
Speaker 1: still in this I might be traded phase is.
Speaker 3: It's sad to see, but we got to win, so
Speaker 3: that's all that matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man really has been played well since he started
Speaker 2: being inserting into the starting lineup.
Speaker 3: He gave him big minutes tonight, huge buggets.
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis is doing what Anthony Davis does, challenging everything
Speaker 2: at the rim, giving you double digit rebounds on a
Speaker 2: nightly basis. Only had twenty points, but he only had
Speaker 2: fifteen shot attempts. D Low has been playing unbelievable. Aster
Speaker 2: Reeves has been allster Reeves, steady, steady, steady. We didn't
Speaker 2: get great production off the bench, but we got enough.
Speaker 3: Because you needed something.
Speaker 2: Normal Power had fourteen for the Clippers off the bench,
Speaker 2: Russ had eighteen and Madson Plumbley had eighteen.
Speaker 3: PJ.
Speaker 2: Tucker got some great cardio in tonight. He was a
Speaker 2: zero cross the board with the exception of two rebounds,
Speaker 2: so you got thirty points off. You got thirty points
Speaker 2: off the Clippers bitch and the Lakers had they only
Speaker 2: got fourteen, but they really needed Cam Ready to play
Speaker 2: some really solid defense. But the story of the night
Speaker 2: was Lebron and we've been waiting for him to have
Speaker 2: one of these virtuosols where we know he can take
Speaker 2: the game over, because if you followed him at any
Speaker 2: point in time through his illustrious twenty one year career,
Speaker 2: you know he still has these in him. And I
Speaker 2: know they don't come with the regularity that they did
Speaker 2: early in his career, say the first ten years, a
Speaker 2: maybe year eleven through sixteen, but he has it any
Speaker 2: and when they needed it tonight, he got it going
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. Gale, what did you see and
Speaker 2: how was he able to get it going?
Speaker 1: I don't see shit, huh. I was on the freeways
Speaker 1: drive in here. I gotta watch the replay. But that's
Speaker 1: what make greates great, right when when you really need
Speaker 1: to turn it on and they you really need them
Speaker 1: to perform at a high level, they can tap.
Speaker 3: Into it no matter how old they are.
Speaker 1: When we needed Dwight Howard in that bubble against Denver,
Speaker 1: his greatness defensively showed.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're talking about towards the end of
Speaker 1: the season going into the playoffs, the greats still need
Speaker 1: to be great every single time, specially at this age.
Speaker 1: He just needs to be great when we needed him to,
Speaker 1: and tonight it seems like That's what he did while
Speaker 1: my ass was on the freeway.
Speaker 2: You know, And you're right, Gil, what the greats can
Speaker 2: do although they can't summons it up with the with
Speaker 2: the regularity they once could when they were younger. Paul's
Speaker 2: I know, everybody goes say, what you mean, summons it up?
Speaker 2: They still can do it. And that's what you have
Speaker 2: to be careful of. Because we saw Kobe, even though
Speaker 2: he shot the ball as many times he dead given
Speaker 2: his final game, he got the sixty That lets you
Speaker 2: know he still had it in there and he could
Speaker 2: still reach down into that reserve and pull it out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's been a while since we've
Speaker 2: seen Lebron James shoot the ball this well, not only
Speaker 2: from two point range, but from three point range.
Speaker 3: And it was the three point range.
Speaker 2: That that once he saw the first one go in,
Speaker 2: it's like, all of a sudden, he's like man. And
Speaker 2: then when you knew something was going on, when he
Speaker 2: came down on the corner on the side and pulled
Speaker 2: up in front of the Clippers bench, in front of
Speaker 2: Norman Power, I said, oh boy, y'all got hell on
Speaker 2: your hand now, because the one thing you don't want
Speaker 2: to see a player like him.
Speaker 3: The greats could all do it.
Speaker 2: Kobe, the Jordan's, the Lebrons, the Kd's, the Steph Currge.
Speaker 2: Those guys see a couple go in and they smell
Speaker 2: the blood in the water. They can see the blood
Speaker 2: in the warm warm, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's a frenzy and everything they put up seemingly is
Speaker 2: finding home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's that's the NBA model.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like that in football, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, once we see a few go
Speaker 1: down that that that oven's hot.
Speaker 3: Yes, right.
Speaker 1: Hence why when the player is trying to get warm
Speaker 1: and the whistle blue and he shoots it and someone
Speaker 1: goes up and blocks it. The reason they because they
Speaker 1: don't want that player to see the ball going. I
Speaker 1: don't want to let it go. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to see it because all you need is the visual boom. Okay, budget,
Speaker 1: let's let's go. Let's get heated, because you can go
Speaker 1: zero for ten and that shot after goes in, now
Speaker 1: you ten for ten. So the player is having a
Speaker 1: rough time, you want to keep him from scoring any
Speaker 1: kind of basket, you know.
Speaker 3: So what Lebron seemed to do tonight.
Speaker 1: Is like anybody when you see the balls is finding
Speaker 1: its way in that rim. Anything you throw up, you know,
Speaker 1: has the magical way of going in.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out how this drives the
Speaker 2: ball as much as he does. And he shoots one
Speaker 2: free throw tonight, and I know it's you're twenty one,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't drive with the veracity or the ferocity
Speaker 2: that he once did, but he still puts the.
Speaker 3: Ball on the floor and drives the ball to the basket.
Speaker 2: And the calls that they give James Harden or the
Speaker 2: calls that they give some of these honest, I mean,
Speaker 2: and plus lord, don't even look at Joel and b.
Speaker 2: They gonna call the foul. And you look at Joel
Speaker 2: and B. He's shooting twenty a night. Lebron shot one
Speaker 2: free throw tonight.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 1: Okay, we have this this this it's it's backwards. It's
Speaker 1: backwards thinking you don't want to be strong in the NBA. No,
Speaker 1: heies for it. Yes, Shaques, you know Shaq Lebron even
Speaker 1: gi honest, even you, right, the guys who can take
Speaker 1: the hit, they expect you to take to hit. So
Speaker 1: when he goes to the lane, he's.
Speaker 3: Not allowed to.
Speaker 1: We know you're supposed to finish that, right, he has
Speaker 1: to be cry baby James to get the foul. So
Speaker 1: now to over exaggerate hits Jolan b Now now he
Speaker 1: has to.
Speaker 3: Flop to sell.
Speaker 1: The hit because if he goes in there and he
Speaker 1: runs through somebody and he gets hit and he dunks it,
Speaker 1: they're not calling that right.
Speaker 3: So he has to scill and do all of that.
Speaker 1: Hes going you flop and look at him flopping then.
Speaker 1: But that's the way the game is. Right if I
Speaker 1: go to the lane, If I go to the lane
Speaker 1: and I get touch foul, here we go. You know
Speaker 1: that's why these younger, smaller guards, skinnier guards getting more
Speaker 1: foul than the stronger guys who drive all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing is, but I'm not sure that's
Speaker 2: what That's what doctor Nasmith intended that if you're big
Speaker 2: and you're strong, reff you don't call the foul. I mean,
Speaker 2: a file is a foul, whether you shack size seven
Speaker 2: one three, twenty five, three forty or your dar in
Speaker 2: Fox and the thing was, but tonight they really he
Speaker 2: did really didn't need to drive the ball because he
Speaker 2: saw the ball go in, and he's seven to twelve
Speaker 2: from the three point line. He's thirteen to twenty one.
Speaker 2: I mean he shooting. I think he's shooting like forty
Speaker 2: from the three. No, no, he's you're twenty one. But
Speaker 2: he's he's never been a bad three point shooter. That
Speaker 2: is just about his first year. She was shooting about
Speaker 2: thirty five from the.
Speaker 1: Three point right, fine, right, just like like like Zoe right,
Speaker 1: Lonzo ball. Yes, Love was a bad on the dribble shooter,
Speaker 1: very great spot up shooter.
Speaker 3: Look at the totality of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, he can't shoot, No, no, no, he can shoot
Speaker 1: if he's wide open like you have.
Speaker 3: Him, mess Scott, he can. He can wind it up.
Speaker 1: Very great shooter when he's dribbling and doing a little
Speaker 1: step back extra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not his game. That's not He's not Dame,
Speaker 2: he's not Steph Curry. He's not gonna be able to
Speaker 2: gather like that and let it go and make it
Speaker 2: with consistency. He might hit one or two, but he's
Speaker 2: not a hit perk man. Ain't nobody trying to hear that?
Speaker 2: Shall Shop just getting ready to pay your bet? Not no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, I'm gonna need that you wanted to bet?
Speaker 2: Oh Perk, Shane, Hey, hey, Shane, you got my money.
Speaker 2: That's what I leave you know, you and stephen A
Speaker 2: and Perk, y'all had so much to say.
Speaker 1: Oh the Clipper's gonna blow the doze off them?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, man, what's wrong with them?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh Perk? I don't know what the app of the Perk?
Speaker 3: He doesn't he do? I mean, he stay down in
Speaker 3: Boutmon all the time now and.
Speaker 2: He's dragging our water down on Nasha water down in
Speaker 2: Beaumont and Galvesta, and he just forgot, He just done
Speaker 2: forgot about Go James.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we only had one interaction, but
Speaker 2: it's not gonna last go much longer. Janay if you
Speaker 2: keep talking crazy about Go James and Stephen Ayre, I
Speaker 2: told you he when you ball then Boston they got
Speaker 2: that deer down hate for Lebron jam You can't shake that.
Speaker 2: I mean, coup ho apart. I mean, I know he
Speaker 2: gave it to you when you was in Boston. He
Speaker 2: gave it till you went to an ok See, he
Speaker 2: gave it to you again. I mean, well, have you
Speaker 2: gotta let that's been like a decade ago. They go
Speaker 2: even the half fields and the McCory that has made
Speaker 2: the millions. They ain't fighting no more. But that was
Speaker 2: that was as good. That's Lebron. That is Lebron James,
Speaker 2: and that's what makes him great is to be able
Speaker 2: to summons it up in the fourth quarter when they
Speaker 2: when you And that's the thing Gil with a team
Speaker 2: or a player, it doesn't matter if you had fifty,
Speaker 2: can you give me ten?
Speaker 3: Can you give me.
Speaker 2: Twelve in the fourth when you absolutely have to have it.
Speaker 2: And I'm glad they were able to finish this off
Speaker 2: because you know what they're gonna say, yeah he did that.
Speaker 2: They were down, but nah, they came all the way
Speaker 2: back and we saw big buckets. We saw Anthony Davis
Speaker 2: chip in, we see a rut chip in, we see
Speaker 2: d Lo chip in, We.
Speaker 1: See guys making plays. But Lebron, I mean I did
Speaker 1: not see this.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I need you to be a
Speaker 2: more aggressive because he shot a high percentage.
Speaker 3: He just didn't have a whole bunch of shots. Yeah, Like.
Speaker 1: I still got that memory of that first half, and
Speaker 1: trust me, uh, I.
Speaker 3: Was ready to leave.
Speaker 1: I was ready to leave that halftimem ain't even gonna
Speaker 1: lie to you. Yeah, this is when I came to
Speaker 1: see Now I got here all these Clipper fans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, but they ain't got an old Clipper. Darryn.
Speaker 2: No, you ain't celebrating Marcella's Wiley. You ain't got nothing
Speaker 2: to celebrate. I don't want to hear nothing about Paul
Speaker 2: George because y'all know every year, at some point in
Speaker 2: time he might miss the entire playoffs.
Speaker 3: So will kawhit.
Speaker 2: So this notion about, oh if we'd have had them
Speaker 2: go back and hick the history since they've been there?
Speaker 2: How many times the meaningful games have you had them
Speaker 2: or both of them? You know what's happening. You know
Speaker 2: what it is?
Speaker 1: Gold Change twenty one years. I think you're gonna play
Speaker 1: I You know, look they talking about he wants a
Speaker 1: three year deal, whatever, what he is, whatever he's asking for,
Speaker 1: You can't pay him enough.
Speaker 2: Because who else you're gonna replace? Who you gonna put
Speaker 2: in that jersey? I'm obviously not. Who wants to wear
Speaker 2: twenty three after he's warned and they've retired six around
Speaker 2: the league? Who wants to wear twenty three after he'd
Speaker 2: award even if you could wear thirty two, or you
Speaker 2: could wear thirty four, or you could wear eight or
Speaker 2: twenty four, a thirty three, why would you want to.
Speaker 3: Why would you want to wear thirteen a Chamberla's number?
Speaker 3: What now you can hey, listen, listen.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm just gone from from my little birdies, my
Speaker 1: little birdie's you know that's flying out there. They not
Speaker 1: too happy that he want to come back two more years,
Speaker 1: of course, you know that's it's a lot of money,
Speaker 1: and oh yes, what is gonna be?
Speaker 3: What three years?
Speaker 2: Like one eighty one, fifty one eighty because he's making.
Speaker 1: If he's making next year, Uh, he has a player
Speaker 1: option at about fifty one and a half fifty one
Speaker 1: nine fifty two million.
Speaker 3: So if he opts out, obviously he's looking to get
Speaker 3: a raise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you do a two year deal plus a
Speaker 2: player option, well at sixty five sixty six million, at
Speaker 2: forty two thirty nine, at forty one forty two years
Speaker 2: of may you know damn well he picking that up?
Speaker 3: Where else you gonna go?
Speaker 1: Make sixty two sixty five million dollars yelling excuse me?
Speaker 1: And forty two years a man and forty two years
Speaker 1: of age, and right now, you know his greatness basically
Speaker 1: has Lakers handicap, and yeah, I'm right now.
Speaker 3: And it's one of those things is you're in the bind.
Speaker 1: You can't trade them, you look dumb, right, All hell
Speaker 1: breaks loose if you trade them. And so it's one
Speaker 1: of those things you were just rather than hen retire
Speaker 1: and just let him come off the books, let him
Speaker 1: finish his way.
Speaker 3: The longer he stays there, he fifty million, and you
Speaker 3: just be like, come old.
Speaker 2: It would be it would be a lot easier if
Speaker 2: he was given you Vince Carter, or if you've given
Speaker 2: you Dirk Nubisky numbers in this year. But he's outscored
Speaker 2: every other player combined that's played in their twenty first season.
Speaker 2: And he's still and he's still giving you. At no
Speaker 2: point in time did any of the greats playing in
Speaker 2: year twenty one. They're one on a handful. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously during the Hall of Fame, Robert Patson in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame, Dirk's in the Hall of Fame. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think of who else played. I think Kevin
Speaker 2: Willis twenty one years Kevin's not in the Hall. Vic
Speaker 2: Carlon has the potential to be in the hall. But
Speaker 2: at no point in time could they give you this
Speaker 2: what he gave you to night, At no point in
Speaker 2: time where they he's averaging twenty five, seven and eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's hard guilt. Yeah, it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 3: But you know what he's doing now, that's where the
Speaker 3: future is going. He's given the blueprint to last this long. Right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but I remember.
Speaker 1: When it came in and Kenyan Martin reminded me today,
Speaker 1: back around two thousand and seven, do you know we
Speaker 1: had outside companies coming in, you know, testing our energy levels?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't know if you guys did that
Speaker 1: in the NFL, testing our energy levels to see how
Speaker 1: much production we're pushing out and how fast were recovering?
Speaker 3: Right, right, And.
Speaker 1: This goes through the load management. I don't think the
Speaker 1: media knows that. For a long time. Uh, players wore chips,
Speaker 1: you know, how you worked a little things.
Speaker 3: They left, Yes, they did that. They have it in
Speaker 3: their hell, they have it in their shoulder fans. Now, Okay,
Speaker 3: so they determined how long players.
Speaker 1: Are going to practice do to what the output is
Speaker 1: pushing out, right, So once you hit a threshold of
Speaker 1: what they expect from your body, you're done.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So let's say somebody like Westbrook and Giannis, they're looking
Speaker 1: at Okay, his body tippers are going to hit a
Speaker 1: lot higher than someone else's because the way they moved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: players are getting load management in practice.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So back then, there was a time I know this
Speaker 1: like right after because when I got to Orlando, it
Speaker 1: was the first time that I was getting blood tested. Right,
Speaker 1: they can tell me exactly what I'm supposed to eat.
Speaker 6: Yes, you're a lot of sugar, a little bit of fish,
Speaker 6: a little bit yeah, And a few months we got
Speaker 6: blood tested regulated, so we know what we're.
Speaker 1: Supposed to actually put in our body. So talk about
Speaker 1: the low management and lasting. It's all the machine now, right,
Speaker 1: So it has nothing to do with the players. Like
Speaker 1: even in practice, players twenty minutes and the practice like yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta get off the court. Yeah, yeah, you're done,
Speaker 1: And he's like, well no, no, no, no, Now when you're
Speaker 1: trying to think about it, when you're trying to break
Speaker 1: a starring lineup or get some minutes, you do it
Speaker 1: in practice and they're like no, no, no, No, your
Speaker 1: twenty minutes is upsit down right. So seeing Lebron today,
Speaker 1: we will see the future playing twenty something years at
Speaker 1: this high level.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I mean. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, considered, a lot of the physicality that used
Speaker 2: to be in the NBA is no longer there.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the NFL.
Speaker 2: You're going to see players play a lot longer, especially
Speaker 2: the quarterback position.
Speaker 3: You're going to see these quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying they're gonna be Tom Brady, but
Speaker 2: you're gonna see a lot more guys get into their
Speaker 2: upper teams because of the physicality, the punishment that you
Speaker 2: used to put on the quarterback, landing on top of them,
Speaker 2: driving him into the ground, hitting them, spearing them with
Speaker 2: the helmet, even the hitting after they released the ball
Speaker 2: they take they've taken that out of the ball game.
Speaker 2: And even some of the other players, the defensers, receiver,
Speaker 2: you can't punish. The intimidation factor is that they've tried
Speaker 2: to penalize it out, find it out of the ballgame.
Speaker 2: But for Lebron James to be playing at this level
Speaker 2: and it's not like you know, like Kareem Kareem with
Speaker 2: Mosey on down. He's a big you know, he get down. Hey,
Speaker 2: he get to rebound passing the magic either they got
Speaker 2: the break or they put out. Okay, well we gotta
Speaker 2: wait the cap come on down, all right, Cap? What
Speaker 2: block you going on? Okay? Hey, you go to Hey,
Speaker 2: you go one side of the other. You throw it
Speaker 2: to the hand. He turned around, throw the sky hook.
Speaker 2: Lebron James is playing thirty seven played thirty seven minutes tonight,
Speaker 2: and he's pushing. He's getting up and down. He's still
Speaker 2: chasing down. He's still playing at a high level. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously the back to back, he's not going to play
Speaker 2: the front end of a back to back or the
Speaker 2: back end of a back to back.
Speaker 3: If we understand that, nobody should.
Speaker 2: Expect Lebron James to play in year twenty one to
Speaker 2: play a back to back.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, listen, we talked about the nineties, right,
Speaker 1: they had a lifestyle right.
Speaker 3: Back then.
Speaker 1: If if you they were little partiers, little drinkers, right,
Speaker 1: you know, Dennis, Right, we're gonna pall far. There's no
Speaker 1: more those type of guys in the NBA. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand, same thing big change, this
Speaker 1: and this right they.
Speaker 3: Hain't got all the time.
Speaker 1: These guys now get to look at where everyone fel
Speaker 1: and say, are okay, he started his diet at thirty
Speaker 1: eight or thirty seven or thirty four. I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: it at twenty five. Correct, I'm gonna start at twenty five.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start going to bed here, I'm gonna start.
Speaker 1: So the guys now looked at where everyone fell and said, okay,
Speaker 1: you took yoga here, kareem. Okay, I'm gonna start taking
Speaker 1: yoga too. I'm gonna start taking the plates too. So
Speaker 1: these guys are keeping their bodies a little bit longer
Speaker 1: because they're paying attention to greatness and what made greatness great.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, gil guys are looking now, theoretically,
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum can theoretically make a billion dollars in his career. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be it's not gonna be absurd to
Speaker 2: believe that a guy that's like a Jason Tatum or
Speaker 2: Luca or ant Man that in fifteen years can have
Speaker 2: made a billion dollar in pay. But Jayson Tatum's gonna
Speaker 2: get a contract, damn there four hundred million yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's going twenty five, twenty six years of eighty so
Speaker 2: that so now he goes against another one at thirty
Speaker 2: thirty one, another four hundred million. So now in twenty
Speaker 2: fifteen years he's made eight hundred nine hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2: So guys are looking like, hold on, I understand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got business ventures that that's gonna set me up.
Speaker 3: But I can still play.
Speaker 2: I can play this game that I love, take care
Speaker 2: of my body and still grow this portfolio, make a
Speaker 2: billion dollars, do another three four hundred million off the court.
Speaker 2: I think guys are looking and like you said, they
Speaker 2: see a wise man love learn from other's mistakes. A
Speaker 2: fool will learn from his own. The wise man, like
Speaker 2: you said, are looking man Lebron James had Mike Mosilla said,
Speaker 2: at year one or two he was having a personal
Speaker 2: chef at this, this and this, and he had this
Speaker 2: and Okay, so that's what it's gonna take. Maybe I
Speaker 2: know everybody is not gonna get a billion dollar shoe deal.
Speaker 2: Everybody's not gonna have a a signature pe a shooting,
Speaker 2: but three four five hundred million dollar contracts. Look at yo,
Speaker 2: what's y're gonna get in the next two two years,
Speaker 2: he's gonna get five on a million. Yeah, you see,
Speaker 2: like the guy likes somebody like yogis about five years,
Speaker 2: he'd be with thirty four.
Speaker 3: So he's not that guy. Well he's not. You're telling
Speaker 3: about the ant man. The ant man's because yeah, those
Speaker 3: are the guys like that's gonna be touching the billions.
Speaker 3: The billions, Yes, because you.
Speaker 1: Know they got they got the the style of play. Yes,
Speaker 1: they have the game, the marketing right, and they're they're
Speaker 1: they're here at the right time. Yes, because Lebron just
Speaker 1: thinking Lebron had it, came in into year two team
Speaker 1: in twenty ten and he played twenty one years.
Speaker 2: He's gonna make two billions. He's gonna make two be
Speaker 2: because look at the numbers. So his max his first
Speaker 2: MAX contract. You know, I remember when Mike Conley got
Speaker 2: a contract. It like he was like one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty million, Like, oh my gosh, Now you get one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollar contract.
Speaker 1: That's in two years. It ain't a five year deal.
Speaker 1: Li'sten two year deal.
Speaker 3: My first My first deal was.
Speaker 1: Six year, sixty four million right as a second second
Speaker 1: round player when I sign my deal Kobe Bryant and
Speaker 1: the max players was seventy nine million. They were seven years,
Speaker 1: seventy nine million, six year. So I was like, by
Speaker 1: the time I came in just be averaging eighteen, I
Speaker 1: was only fifteen million dollars less than a max player. Wow, right,
Speaker 1: that money creep up fast and he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh So in the fourth quarter, Lebron James
Speaker 2: had nineteen points on five made three. The Clippers had
Speaker 2: sixteen points on one May three. Great game for the Lakers.
Speaker 2: They needed that. That's the last time the Clippers will
Speaker 2: play the Lakers as the home team in the building.
Speaker 2: Next year obviously they moved to their new building. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see. Huh did you say what
Speaker 2: you said the Clippers as a home team.
Speaker 3: Brother, They wasn't a home team. That was a Laker
Speaker 3: crownd they listen, I don't know. Listen. Listen.
Speaker 1: The reason Clippers never have a home game against the
Speaker 1: Lakers because they are the.
Speaker 3: Clippers in the LA.
Speaker 1: So all the Lakers show up to get them front
Speaker 1: rows for them cheap seats.
Speaker 3: Go into a Laker game, cost your arm, and.
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I got a I got a suite for
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars whenever that same suite costs me about
Speaker 1: twenty five. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I might even I
Speaker 1: might even get court side tickets to the Clippers game.
Speaker 1: That a this Lakers, this Lakers bad you talk about
Speaker 1: you talk about probably about three quarters to a million
Speaker 1: dollars for every day.
Speaker 3: Uh. But it was a good game. Congrats to the Lakers.
Speaker 3: Big win.
Speaker 2: They needed that. Now they got some games at home
Speaker 2: over there. I think their home the next the at
Speaker 2: least the next week, but they they needed this win.
Speaker 2: Now it's time for our first segment of the night.
Speaker 2: It's called news Cap. Let's take a listen. Scotty Pipping
Speaker 2: now back in on MJ as to go. Let's take
Speaker 2: a listen to what Scotty had to say about MJ.
Speaker 3: On this on their Hardest Grant Loop Longley Tour. Was
Speaker 3: Michael the best of the greatest even h for sure.
Speaker 5: I mean you look at the m vps that he
Speaker 5: was able to achieve, But I think it was all
Speaker 5: brought from us being successful as a team. Obviously something
Speaker 5: one is gonna brings accolades home. But yeah, he was
Speaker 5: the greatest player, definitely in Byti.
Speaker 2: Okay when did when did At first it was Michael,
Speaker 2: then it was Lebron and then he said all these
Speaker 2: things in his memoir about Michael, And now he's back.
Speaker 2: Now he's back, on on on what's okay?
Speaker 3: What's he selling? What he got out there? But he got?
Speaker 2: Does he got a wine? Does he got a book?
Speaker 2: Does he got a newspaper? Is he selling cars? What's
Speaker 2: he selling?
Speaker 1: He has a last name called Pippin, right, pippin them
Speaker 1: Pippins is tripping right now. They chasing that Jordan blood.
Speaker 1: He got his wife out there leaving and coming back.
Speaker 1: She doesn't, she doesn't realize. Goddamnit. I need the Jordan
Speaker 1: brand now now, the real pipping.
Speaker 3: No bulls to her realize, No, no, no, no, no, you
Speaker 3: need bull His ass is back, mister Jordan. I just
Speaker 3: think that just with the pipping, you just gotta follow
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan at this point. God, dang, I'm just trying.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to I'm just trying to figure out
Speaker 2: if you feel a way, you feel a way. There's
Speaker 2: nothing I feel a certain way about a certain player,
Speaker 2: no matter what that what happens between me and said player,
Speaker 2: that doesn't change it. Because you and I might have
Speaker 2: had a fallen out, that doesn't change what you've done.
Speaker 2: That doesn't change how I feel about you. I might
Speaker 2: not like your ass personally, but what you did on
Speaker 2: the field, what you did on the court, what you
Speaker 2: did on the baseball.
Speaker 1: Diamond or the field, that doesn't change. So I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, well, what I mean fall the flip.
Speaker 1: I've seen fish. I had fish caught on the bank
Speaker 1: that did less flopping than this.
Speaker 3: They listen, they listen. That's the problem with being number two.
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about number two and three and four. I'm sorry, right,
Speaker 1: we didn't come. Hey, we didn't come to see u
Speaker 1: o this. Everybody came there to see Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I'm trying to figure out who in the
Speaker 2: hell else could have played. I don't give it them,
Speaker 2: but i mean, if you really think about it, who else.
Speaker 3: Could you put beside Jordan?
Speaker 2: If you take whomever else did you have on my rushmore,
Speaker 2: if you put them beside Jordan, especially especially now, it
Speaker 2: might cause see, let's just say, for the sake of argument,
Speaker 2: gil Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan. But he ain't got no shoe,
Speaker 2: so he got he got regular shoes and he ain't
Speaker 2: got no air in the shoe.
Speaker 3: And he can't fly, but he's still Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things where I think they
Speaker 1: thought that they were gonna get off and reality kicked in,
Speaker 1: because if you listen to why they were mad, it
Speaker 1: was some dumb reasons.
Speaker 3: Horace Grin. Oh, they didn't. They didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't tell me that. They didn't say that I
Speaker 1: talked back to Michael Jordan. I wanted the world know
Speaker 1: that I talked back to Michael Jordan. So you think
Speaker 1: they was gonna spend fifteen minutes on a doc for
Speaker 1: you to talk back to Michaels. We don't care about
Speaker 1: you talking back to Michael Jordan's sorry something?
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? Ay? You average? I don't know
Speaker 3: what you average.
Speaker 1: But obviously we didn't care because they done traded your
Speaker 1: ass and bring in somebody else and they still won
Speaker 1: three championships. This is funny, See, like, who do they
Speaker 1: think they The problem with the toy is besides pipping
Speaker 1: the rest of y'all, no one cared.
Speaker 3: Okay, you and your goggles can get the hell on.
Speaker 2: I think the thing with Luke is that he would saying,
Speaker 2: like Jordan said, you know, he gave Luke a compliment
Speaker 2: against Utah. I think he had like fourteen points in
Speaker 2: the first quarter. He said, Luke, you play it unbelievable.
Speaker 2: They end up losing the game by thirty and Luke
Speaker 2: had fourteen in the first quarter and he finished the
Speaker 2: game with fourteen and he said, that's the last time
Speaker 2: I'm giving you a compliment. The only problem that I had,
Speaker 2: the only problem that I had.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jordan said what he said, he did, what
Speaker 3: he did. We knew.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember Jordan, So I
Speaker 2: didn't really obviously behind the scene was great, but when
Speaker 2: he brought Scotty Pippen into it, because he wasn't there,
Speaker 2: when Scotty wouldn't go back into the ball game. So
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's a part of his story.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like me and you. It's like me
Speaker 2: and you. It's like me and you, Gil and you
Speaker 2: do something like the incident that happened, and it happens
Speaker 2: before Shannon gets there. But I do my story and
Speaker 2: I include you in it. Like, man, you wasn't even then.
Speaker 2: Why the hell you talk about what help and what
Speaker 2: happened and you weren't even there. Now, obviously he had
Speaker 2: great insight. I'm sure you know he was still talking
Speaker 2: the field.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He didn't have no great relationship, so I know he
Speaker 2: ain't get no information from Jay Krause, but he still
Speaker 2: had guys on the team, and I'm sure that was
Speaker 2: friendly with Mike, of course, But so yeah, he could.
Speaker 1: Have left it out. I heard pipping and Pippin's argument
Speaker 1: is valid, but it's not reality, right. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you're drawing up a play for this guy. I'm
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, I'm missing, I'm in the m v P.
Speaker 3: Kennedy.
Speaker 1: That's all great, but are you a finisher? Do you
Speaker 1: hit game winners? Do you take big shots?
Speaker 3: Some of you? Some guys just are not that guy? Right?
Speaker 3: If Westbrook has the.
Speaker 1: Private saying, well, I'm Russell Westbrook, I'm averaging a triple double.
Speaker 3: I need to take the last shot. You don't.
Speaker 1: No, you don't don't not right, Ben, No, you do
Speaker 1: not right?
Speaker 3: Be honest.
Speaker 2: Come on, God damn it, I got dame.
Speaker 3: Take that last shot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So what he's saying is valid because of the name,
Speaker 1: But kno valid because of your skill. Right, he drew
Speaker 1: this is the coach, y'all got championships. He drew the
Speaker 1: player for the guy who had the best chance of
Speaker 1: making it. And sorry you and the fact that this
Speaker 1: is a three time MVB NBA champ and you refuse
Speaker 1: to come on, come in the game.
Speaker 3: Don't letting me know that, right because guys narratives. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you see a lot of people perception of him though.
Speaker 3: You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't
Speaker 3: refuse Gil. You can't refuse to go.
Speaker 1: Into the game. Okay, they draw the play up. The
Speaker 1: player ain't coming to me. I ain't running no route,
Speaker 1: I ain't going that. What Now you see why I
Speaker 1: have ah Now you see why I have a problem
Speaker 1: with the eighties in the nineties, because the narrative about
Speaker 1: the guys today Primadonna's and this, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, do you guys know who you were when
Speaker 1: you got playing?
Speaker 3: The problem is Gil because social media. Then if a
Speaker 3: player did that today and said, oh y'all do y'all.
Speaker 1: Do If y'all have said I'm not going in the game,
Speaker 1: if y'all giving.
Speaker 3: The ball of day, there would be a fucking uproar. Yes,
Speaker 3: but you did the same thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm the type of guy like, hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: going to raise my and and say I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: you did it too.
Speaker 3: Sir Gil.
Speaker 2: A lot of what the players are, the players and
Speaker 2: the old are resentful of is the power and the
Speaker 2: money that today's players have. And even Michael Jordan did
Speaker 2: not have the power of Steph Curry, of Lebron James
Speaker 2: because he tried. There's when Lebron James was in his prime,
Speaker 2: when he was at Cleveland. If they can make it,
Speaker 2: if they was willing to somebody was willing to trade.
Speaker 2: There's not a player that Jared Crofts like, nah, you
Speaker 2: don't tell us who the draft. We're gonna get who
Speaker 2: we want and we don't want no more of them. Sorry,
Speaker 2: North thro a lot of players and know he can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, so the players then they're rej they're they're
Speaker 2: resentful because the players can move freely. M m Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: that couldn't go nowhere. You're like, you have to play
Speaker 2: for me, you don't play at all. It's really that simple.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. We have the power because of
Speaker 3: you guys.
Speaker 1: Yes, you little power that you guys had because the
Speaker 1: generation before you, the generation before you, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a trickle effect, right. If you listen for the older guys,
Speaker 1: when Michael Jordan made that thirty million a year, what
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 3: They were saying, Yeah, are you making seats?
Speaker 1: Like every generation hates the next week this generation right
Speaker 1: now making fifty million and then they gotta start making
Speaker 1: seventy five with one hundred. They're like, man, it's that's
Speaker 1: that's light, man. Everyone moves the needle and do their
Speaker 1: part right. And the fact that when you guys throw
Speaker 1: shots at them, you have somebody who's research too that says,
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna throw shots back, right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw shots back. You're calling us Prima Donna's. Hey, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a group called, uh Detroit Pistons. Yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: y'all was Prima Donna's too, and y'all had the rule
Speaker 1: because they was bullying y'all. Y'all all won championships, not
Speaker 1: with your team. You won championships with our team. You
Speaker 1: bought all our players, but you let you let Isaiah
Speaker 1: Thomas song. He gonna say, Well, if you look at
Speaker 1: the Bulls team when they won. Now, look, don't that
Speaker 1: look like the Detroit Listens freaking roughed up by our
Speaker 1: own teammates, You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So there's history.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just got to enjoy the game, no matter
Speaker 1: how it looks. It's not gonna look the way it
Speaker 1: looked when you played it. It's okay to gil, It's okay.
Speaker 1: It's called evolution.
Speaker 2: Athletes get bigger, stronger, faster, to get more skilled.
Speaker 3: The game changed, and it's.
Speaker 2: Okay it is you would have twenty five years twenty
Speaker 2: years ago, Mark Eaton couldn't be rested soul Victor wimbin Yama.
Speaker 3: That was not a guy like Jannis. But it's called evolution.
Speaker 2: And guys are guys grow up now and they got
Speaker 2: A and U and they got coaches. I mean, your
Speaker 2: son probably had a coach where you were an NBA player.
Speaker 2: You know, you was coaching your son an NBA player
Speaker 2: at five, six, seven years old.
Speaker 3: They didn't have that. Their dads wasn't in the NBA.
Speaker 1: They and they didn't making the money that was gonna
Speaker 1: pay for a personal coach. Now guys can do that
Speaker 1: on their own if they don't have time to coach
Speaker 1: and train them themselves.
Speaker 2: So guys are better. The sooner you do things, the
Speaker 2: better you're gonna get at it. So I'm not saying everybody, Look,
Speaker 2: there are more guys. If you think about it, think
Speaker 2: about how many guys can shoot the equivalent of Larry
Speaker 2: Bird from the three and Larry Bird was thought of
Speaker 2: as a great three point shooter. Think about how many
Speaker 2: guys got a better percentage. You'd be surprised of how
Speaker 2: many guys got a better percentage. And he won three
Speaker 2: three point competitions to shoot the three ball better than
Speaker 2: he is.
Speaker 3: He did, So it is.
Speaker 2: It is okay, don't I don't get up saying I
Speaker 2: take it for what it is. Hey, Kelsey em and
Speaker 2: all these guys. Hey give him the credit. Hey E
Speaker 2: did goat Grom and Gates and all these guys. Hey,
Speaker 2: I did what I did. I love the era which
Speaker 2: I played in, But I'm willing to give guys credit.
Speaker 2: I ain't taking nothing from him, like even with my son,
Speaker 2: right and with Steph Curry. Steph Curry is the best.
Speaker 1: Shooter because his dad was a shooter, and his dad
Speaker 1: what his dad learned by the time he retired, he
Speaker 1: instilled it into his son.
Speaker 3: Right, So same thing with me. Everything I learned, all
Speaker 3: the tricks I.
Speaker 1: Learned and did, and the training I did, I get
Speaker 1: to start my son at twelve with the same mentality.
Speaker 3: So now my son has Jason Tatum moves in high school.
Speaker 1: So by the time he gets to the pros, if
Speaker 1: he gets there, his bag and package would be totally
Speaker 1: different than mine.
Speaker 3: Yes, point of evolution. And that's what people don't understand.
Speaker 1: The guards of then the Isaiah Tom you have nothing,
Speaker 1: no offense.
Speaker 3: At six ' to one, you fast and quick and
Speaker 3: sert at six ' four.
Speaker 1: I'm faster, I'm stronger, I'm more explosive, I'm more dangerous offensively.
Speaker 3: Right, you were very great in your time. Can't take
Speaker 3: nothing away from you.
Speaker 1: But what I got to do is I had I
Speaker 1: got to learn what you did at my sauce at
Speaker 1: this That's just how it is. Yes, people don't understand that.
Speaker 1: With the Kobe's, the Jason Tatums, I get. They get
Speaker 1: to look at the package.
Speaker 3: Yes, and steal everything, steal it, boom and add on
Speaker 3: to it. It's just that's the game. Or they call it.
Speaker 3: In music, they call it sampling.
Speaker 5: And that.
Speaker 2: But but Gil and then what I tell guys, I say,
Speaker 2: guys like when I was in the league, there were
Speaker 2: only a handful of guys myself and Coats uh Nova
Speaker 2: check Brent Jones. They were only a handful of guys
Speaker 2: that could legitimately really when you got down to it
Speaker 2: was just me and me and coach in the in
Speaker 2: the mid nineties that could go get you a thousand
Speaker 2: double digit touchdowns. Now there are more guys that can
Speaker 2: do with only a handful of could do.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: When Isaiah was handling the ball like he could, they
Speaker 2: two or three guys on the team that can handle
Speaker 2: the ball like Isaiahka and Rod Strickland.
Speaker 1: With that package, you got several guys they got a
Speaker 1: package like that. Now I'm not saying that, but look
Speaker 1: at Kyrie.
Speaker 2: We didn't think we'd ever see a guy like a
Speaker 2: Rod Strickland, or a guy like Isaiah or a guy like.
Speaker 3: Jason Williams and Kyrie. What Kyrie could do with the
Speaker 3: ball is and one.
Speaker 2: Harlem globe trottigh and he can finish with either hand
Speaker 2: at the rim and even three level score at the
Speaker 2: paint at the rim, either hand mid rays three. Finally
Speaker 2: he go to the free throw lines gonna make somewhere
Speaker 2: between eighty seven and ninety percent of his shots. But
Speaker 2: there are a lot of guys that can do what
Speaker 2: only a hand full could do back then. And I
Speaker 2: don't know why they don't want to give them credit.
Speaker 2: It's called evolution. Your kids probably are smarter and can
Speaker 2: do things easier than what you could.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I know my kids.
Speaker 2: Look, they might not have the depth, but I'm talking
Speaker 2: about this like general knowledge. Main't them kids the work,
Speaker 2: the school work that they were doing. Man, they doing
Speaker 2: stuff in the third and fourth grade, the hell I
Speaker 2: was doing in the high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had that.
Speaker 2: I could do that hall working like that. I got
Speaker 2: some hallwork. I said, Okay, I call you a tutor.
Speaker 2: I can't help you. You're gonna fail the class now.
Speaker 1: But just like in football, at some point, as a quarterback,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a door a switch thrower. There's gonna
Speaker 1: be a guy, and then once the one comes in,
Speaker 1: everyone after him will be taught to throw with their
Speaker 1: right end their left just as accurate. That's coming. That's
Speaker 1: the evolution, you know what I mean. And I don't
Speaker 1: think people factor in any of that. Like I remember
Speaker 1: when I came in two. I came in two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, and I remember my first time against John
Speaker 1: Stockton and Gary Payton, right, I frightened because the ideal
Speaker 1: of what I used to watch, Gary Payton getting that glove,
Speaker 1: get that little smirky boom. What happened was after I
Speaker 1: got that first hit, Nah, theyin't not like that, right,
Speaker 1: the things that they're trying.
Speaker 3: To do that doesn't work against me.
Speaker 1: So first time I said, all right, hey, Antoine, hey,
Speaker 1: dip out, I'm about to see how fast he really is, right.
Speaker 3: And took off on them. Meet me at the rim, like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, he can't even stay in front of me.
Speaker 1: Now you look at year two, Gary Payton, John Stockton,
Speaker 1: it's boom, boom boom. Then from there, all these defensive
Speaker 1: rules that they were in their non existent and is outdated. Right,
Speaker 1: it's an outdated system. It was like people don't realize.
Speaker 1: People think AI changed the point guard position. AI was
Speaker 1: a shooting guard. I was the point guard that changed it.
Speaker 1: I was the aggressor in it.
Speaker 3: I was there. It was me.
Speaker 1: I was the top scorer at twenty eight twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Number two was James Mike James. Number three is Mike Bibby. Right,
Speaker 1: those think about the names I'm saying, right, Mike James,
Speaker 1: Mike Bibby. At eighteen and nineteen and seventeen, those were
Speaker 1: the It was still those type of guards. You know,
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, you know Tony Parker. It wasn't guys that
Speaker 1: are trying to score thirty on you, right, these guys
Speaker 1: are trying to run offense.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to embarrass you.
Speaker 1: So how are you going to play defense against me
Speaker 1: when you got to run your team and then you
Speaker 1: got to play defense against.
Speaker 3: A dude who's trying to score like a Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 2: Right now, every guard is that, Yes, all these guys
Speaker 2: are two's masquerading its points. Darrin Fox ain't no point.
Speaker 2: James Harden is a two. Russ was a too, all
Speaker 2: is Steph Curry is a two. These guys Draymond Russ
Speaker 2: offense and go to State. Yeah, Steph is the two.
Speaker 2: Those guys A two was masquerading. Give those guys credit.
Speaker 2: But when you when you when you look at what
Speaker 2: they've been able to do, uh evolution. I just wish
Speaker 2: and and and I would just wish the old guard
Speaker 2: would give the new guard credit because they make it
Speaker 2: seem like they bombs and they're not, and they're not.
Speaker 3: They gonna say what they want. I know one thing
Speaker 3: they can do. Guard them. You can't guard them.
Speaker 1: The reason you can't guard them is because y'all didn't
Speaker 1: play like that.
Speaker 3: For you to even know these movements. You never played
Speaker 3: backbelling in the whole game.
Speaker 1: You never played with a guy like James Harden sitting
Speaker 1: there trying to be No, this ain't that.
Speaker 3: Bring it back down. Let the big man get the
Speaker 3: cross screen, pass it down to her.
Speaker 1: You didn't no, no, no, John Stocked him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: walk you all the way down to the free throw
Speaker 1: line and then set the pick right here. If I
Speaker 1: walk you down to the free throw line, you can
Speaker 1: post up.
Speaker 3: Little man.
Speaker 1: This ain't no like job. You can't even post Steve Nash.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the block now. Now the matrix got
Speaker 1: a gardment because I keep posting up this little guard.
Speaker 1: Come on, John, bring old. Let's go work this by
Speaker 1: all right? Switch off? Come on, Matt harpering Now you
Speaker 1: gotta put that harpering on me because John Stock too little.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going one on one with you because you
Speaker 1: are two guard, not fast enough to be a point
Speaker 1: guard right right now, me trying to guard someone like
Speaker 1: James Harden when he has to be stopped by the
Speaker 1: twos and the threes.
Speaker 2: Now you have a real point guard trying to guard
Speaker 2: right and and he's hard in the six, four sixty five.
Speaker 2: And but here's the thing. These guys now got handles,
Speaker 2: all of them. I mean, look at hard they'll be
Speaker 2: do do. And then once he developed that step back,
Speaker 2: that side step three, which everybody seems to have added
Speaker 2: to their bag.
Speaker 3: They gotten that tool out of his toolbox and added
Speaker 3: it to theirs. How do you stop it? Because you
Speaker 3: know he could get by you. Still he's slythery.
Speaker 2: He's not as slithery as he once was, he's not
Speaker 2: as explosive as he once was, but he's still explosive
Speaker 2: enough to get by you. And then when you black
Speaker 2: up off him, guess what he just these steps back
Speaker 2: is shoes to three. And now you're just said his
Speaker 2: mercy just hopes he miss it because you're getting wide
Speaker 2: open looks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's arguing. It's arguing with people's vision
Speaker 1: of when they first seen basketball for the first time. Right,
Speaker 1: It's just like anything like when you've seen it for
Speaker 1: the first time, that's all you know what it looks like.
Speaker 3: That was the purest form for you as an individual.
Speaker 1: Ever since then it is considered a water down version
Speaker 1: of what was introduced to you. That's life how it
Speaker 1: was introduced to you. Back in the eighties, eighty three,
Speaker 1: eighty forty five, the.
Speaker 3: Way the game was played was the purest for you.
Speaker 1: Right, so everything after that considered its water down, right
Speaker 1: that it says water down. It is not like that,
Speaker 1: like the eighties is not the toughest. They are considered
Speaker 1: weak compared to the seventies.
Speaker 3: In the sixties, right.
Speaker 1: Where you get to get clothes line and I can
Speaker 1: you know, punching your face and then it's just a.
Speaker 3: That was that era. They had to clean it up
Speaker 3: for TV, right, so yes, he got involved. It was cleaned.
Speaker 1: That was clean, and then the nineties a little bit
Speaker 1: clean of two thousand clean and now you have an
Speaker 1: entertaining game.
Speaker 3: This game now is.
Speaker 1: Entertainment. It's not basketball, right, this is entertainment. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put butts in the seats. I'm I'm in the business
Speaker 1: of selling a show. So you can say, oh, they
Speaker 1: don't play no DEFs old, they don't do this. You
Speaker 1: can say it all you want. Adam Silver gonna say this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been looking into uh what you want
Speaker 1: me to say? Oh, yeah, we've been looking.
Speaker 2: Into way you know, we maybe we've killed it, maybe
Speaker 2: we've kielded it too far in the offensive favor. Maybe
Speaker 2: we're trying to find a way to get defense back in.
Speaker 1: Bob, she ain't doing nothing. How you gonna how you
Speaker 1: gonna see a flaw in something that's paying people fifty
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars? Yeah, uh, fifty sixty million dollars and
Speaker 1: you think they think it's a flaw.
Speaker 3: My bank account says, Hey.
Speaker 2: Every day is like we just like we're playing your
Speaker 2: Donas Haslam says, age plays a factor in his opinion
Speaker 2: about Lebron Your Donna's. Haslam said, the only reason why
Speaker 2: MJ is my goat is because, like he said, we
Speaker 2: watched them growing up.
Speaker 3: I'm older than Broun. He can't be my goat.
Speaker 2: I see that a lot, especially with comedians, because even
Speaker 2: current comedians really don't put Chappelle as their goat. They
Speaker 2: normally go back to prior. They go back to Eddie
Speaker 2: Murphy or they'll go to Red Fox, They'll go to
Speaker 2: Bernie Mack, they'll go to Robin Harrison, they go to
Speaker 2: George Carlin. You know, it's always a lady Bruce. They
Speaker 2: always go back. He says, he's my contemporary.
Speaker 3: I had JB.
Speaker 1: Smooth on, had a lot of comedian I've had a
Speaker 1: lot of comedians on Tommy Davidson, and they always go
Speaker 1: back a generation before him. Yeah, as opposed to saying
Speaker 1: somebody that's a contemporary or peer is on their Mount
Speaker 1: Rushmore or their goat.
Speaker 3: What's your take on that? I get what your Donnason said,
Speaker 3: I ain't got no problem.
Speaker 2: I didn't play. I didn't play against Travis Kelsey. I
Speaker 2: didn't play against Grom. I was leaving the league when
Speaker 2: Gates was there, but he didn't really play much my
Speaker 2: last year. I played a few years against Gonzo. So
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of like, uh, I played one year.
Speaker 2: I think Ozzie retired after my rookie. My rookie year,
Speaker 2: I saw Ozzie play. But I remember Winslow Big Winslow senior,
Speaker 2: Kellen Winslow senior. But I get what you're Donnisy said.
Speaker 2: It's like bro I'm older than him. He can't be
Speaker 2: my goat. I played with him. He contemporary, but that's that's.
Speaker 1: Just a competitive nature of who he is, right, And
Speaker 1: and a lot of players you don't want to name
Speaker 1: somebody that is still playing with you, you played against
Speaker 1: that's probably giving you fifty something, right, I don't want
Speaker 1: him to be my my goat, right, So you go backwards, right,
Speaker 1: And that's just that's just how it is.
Speaker 3: Whenever you hear a.
Speaker 1: Player talk, when you hear the guys talk today and
Speaker 1: they have Kobe as their goat, they didn't play against Kobe, right,
Speaker 1: it was on the end of it, right, So they're
Speaker 1: coming in the same so they wasn't really a competitor
Speaker 1: like that. The real competitors when they retire, they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Say, all right, you know he Bean was a killer. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's the goat.
Speaker 1: He's up there, right, So you still get the respect,
Speaker 1: but it's usually after.
Speaker 3: The person's done, really done, retired
Speaker 1: A few years, reality kicks in and then they can
Speaker 1: give you their their honest opinion.