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Speaker 2: I thank you were that till halftime of the game.

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Speaker 2: The Lakers game down by as many as twenty one points.

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Speaker 2: They come back and beat the Clippers one sixteen with

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Speaker 3: And it was the three point range.

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Speaker 2: Norman Power, I said, oh boy, y'all got hell on

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Speaker 3: The greats could all do it.

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Speaker 2: Kobe, the Jordan's, the Lebrons, the Kd's, the Steph Currge.

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Speaker 2: I mean he shooting. I think he's shooting like forty

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Speaker 3: Look at the totality of it.

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Speaker 1: Very great shooter when he's dribbling and doing a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not his game. That's not He's not Dame,

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Speaker 2: gather like that and let it go and make it

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Speaker 2: not a hit perk man. Ain't nobody trying to hear that?

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Speaker 2: Shall Shop just getting ready to pay your bet? Not no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no no, I'm gonna need that you wanted to bet?

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Speaker 2: Oh Perk, Shane, Hey, hey, Shane, you got my money.

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Speaker 2: That's what I leave you know, you and stephen A

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Speaker 2: and Perk, y'all had so much to say.

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Speaker 1: Oh the Clipper's gonna blow the doze off them?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, man, what's wrong with them?

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Speaker 3: Oh Perk? I don't know what the app of the Perk?

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Speaker 3: He doesn't he do? I mean, he stay down in

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Speaker 3: Boutmon all the time now and.

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Speaker 2: forgot about Go James.

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Speaker 2: keep talking crazy about Go James and Stephen Ayre, I

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Speaker 2: that deer down hate for Lebron jam You can't shake that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, coup ho apart. I mean, I know he

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Speaker 2: gave it to you again. I mean, well, have you

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Speaker 2: gotta let that's been like a decade ago. They go

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Speaker 2: even the half fields and the McCory that has made

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Speaker 2: the millions. They ain't fighting no more. But that was

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Speaker 2: that was as good. That's Lebron. That is Lebron James,

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Speaker 2: when you And that's the thing Gil with a team

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Speaker 2: can you give me ten?

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Speaker 3: Can you give me.

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Speaker 2: Twelve in the fourth when you absolutely have to have it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad they were able to finish this off

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Speaker 2: because you know what they're gonna say, yeah he did that.

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Speaker 2: They were down, but nah, they came all the way

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Speaker 1: See guys making plays. But Lebron, I mean I did

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Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I need you to be a

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Speaker 3: Was ready to leave.

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Speaker 1: I was ready to leave that halftimem ain't even gonna

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Speaker 1: see Now I got here all these Clipper fans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, but they ain't got an old Clipper. Darryn.

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Speaker 2: No, you ain't celebrating Marcella's Wiley. You ain't got nothing

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Speaker 2: to celebrate. I don't want to hear nothing about Paul

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Speaker 3: So will kawhit.

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Speaker 2: So this notion about, oh if we'd have had them

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Speaker 2: How many times the meaningful games have you had them

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Speaker 2: or both of them? You know what's happening. You know

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Speaker 1: Gold Change twenty one years. I think you're gonna play

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Speaker 1: I You know, look they talking about he wants a

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Speaker 1: You can't pay him enough.

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Speaker 2: Because who else you're gonna replace? Who you gonna put

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Speaker 2: twenty three after he's warned and they've retired six around

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Speaker 3: Why would you want to wear thirteen a Chamberla's number?

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm just gone from from my little birdies, my

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Speaker 1: little birdie's you know that's flying out there. They not

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Speaker 1: too happy that he want to come back two more years,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know that's it's a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: and oh yes, what is gonna be?

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Speaker 3: What three years?

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Speaker 2: Like one eighty one, fifty one eighty because he's making.

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Speaker 1: If he's making next year, Uh, he has a player

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you do a two year deal plus a

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Speaker 2: player option, well at sixty five sixty six million, at

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Speaker 2: forty two thirty nine, at forty one forty two years

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Speaker 2: of may you know damn well he picking that up?

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Speaker 3: Where else you gonna go?

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Speaker 1: Make sixty two sixty five million dollars yelling excuse me?

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Speaker 1: And forty two years a man and forty two years

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Speaker 1: of age, and right now, you know his greatness basically

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Speaker 3: And it's one of those things is you're in the bind.

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Speaker 1: You can't trade them, you look dumb, right, All hell

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Speaker 1: of those things you were just rather than hen retire

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Speaker 1: and just let him come off the books, let him

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Speaker 3: The longer he stays there, he fifty million, and you

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Speaker 2: It would be it would be a lot easier if

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Speaker 2: you Dirk Nubisky numbers in this year. But he's outscored

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Speaker 2: every other player combined that's played in their twenty first season.

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Speaker 2: And he's still and he's still giving you. At no

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Speaker 2: Willis twenty one years Kevin's not in the Hall. Vic

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Speaker 2: Carlon has the potential to be in the hall. But

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Speaker 2: at no point in time could they give you this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's hard guilt. Yeah, it's gonna be hard.

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Speaker 3: But you know what he's doing now, that's where the

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Speaker 3: future is going. He's given the blueprint to last this long. Right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but I remember.

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Speaker 1: When it came in and Kenyan Martin reminded me today,

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Speaker 1: back around two thousand and seven, do you know we

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I don't know if you guys did that

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Speaker 3: Right, right, And.

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Speaker 1: This goes through the load management. I don't think the

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Speaker 3: They left, Yes, they did that. They have it in

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Speaker 3: so they determined how long players.

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Speaker 1: pushing out, right, So once you hit a threshold of

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So let's say somebody like Westbrook and Giannis, they're looking

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Speaker 1: players are getting load management in practice.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So back then, there was a time I know this

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Speaker 1: they can tell me exactly what I'm supposed to eat.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you're a lot of sugar, a little bit of fish,

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Speaker 1: Supposed to actually put in our body. So talk about

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Speaker 1: So it has nothing to do with the players. Like

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Speaker 1: And he's like, well no, no, no, no, Now when you're

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Speaker 1: in practice and they're like no, no, no, No, your

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes is upsit down right. So seeing Lebron today,

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Speaker 1: we will see the future playing twenty something years at

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's what I mean. That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, considered, a lot of the physicality that used

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like the NFL.

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Speaker 2: You're going to see players play a lot longer, especially

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Speaker 3: You're going to see these quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying they're gonna be Tom Brady, but

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Speaker 2: to penalize it out, find it out of the ballgame.

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Speaker 2: But for Lebron James to be playing at this level

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Speaker 2: and it's not like you know, like Kareem Kareem with

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Speaker 2: wait the cap come on down, all right, Cap? What

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Speaker 2: block you going on? Okay? Hey, you go to Hey,

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Speaker 2: you go one side of the other. You throw it

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Speaker 2: Lebron James is playing thirty seven played thirty seven minutes tonight,

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Speaker 2: and he's pushing. He's getting up and down. He's still

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Speaker 2: chasing down. He's still playing at a high level. Now,

437
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: obviously the back to back, he's not going to play

438
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: the front end of a back to back or the

439
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: back end of a back to back.

440
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: If we understand that, nobody should.

441
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: Expect Lebron James to play in year twenty one to

442
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: play a back to back.

443
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: No. I mean, listen, we talked about the nineties, right,

444
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: they had a lifestyle right.

445
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 3: Back then.

446
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 1: If if you they were little partiers, little drinkers, right,

447
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: you know, Dennis, Right, we're gonna pall far. There's no

448
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 1: more those type of guys in the NBA. Now, Yeah,

449
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: in the early two thousand, same thing big change, this

450
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: and this right they.

451
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: Hain't got all the time.

452
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: These guys now get to look at where everyone fel

453
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: and say, are okay, he started his diet at thirty

454
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: eight or thirty seven or thirty four. I'm gonna start

455
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: it at twenty five. Correct, I'm gonna start at twenty five.

456
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start going to bed here, I'm gonna start.

457
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: So the guys now looked at where everyone fell and said, okay,

458
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: you took yoga here, kareem. Okay, I'm gonna start taking

459
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 1: yoga too. I'm gonna start taking the plates too. So

460
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: these guys are keeping their bodies a little bit longer

461
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: because they're paying attention to greatness and what made greatness great.

462
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 2: And the thing is, gil guys are looking now, theoretically,

463
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum can theoretically make a billion dollars in his career. Yeah, guys,

464
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be it's not gonna be absurd to

465
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: believe that a guy that's like a Jason Tatum or

466
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: Luca or ant Man that in fifteen years can have

467
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: made a billion dollar in pay. But Jayson Tatum's gonna

468
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: get a contract, damn there four hundred million yeah, and

469
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: he's going twenty five, twenty six years of eighty so

470
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: that so now he goes against another one at thirty

471
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: thirty one, another four hundred million. So now in twenty

472
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: fifteen years he's made eight hundred nine hundred million dollars.

473
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: So guys are looking like, hold on, I understand. Yeah,

474
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: I got business ventures that that's gonna set me up.

475
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 3: But I can still play.

476
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: I can play this game that I love, take care

477
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: of my body and still grow this portfolio, make a

478
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 2: billion dollars, do another three four hundred million off the court.

479
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: I think guys are looking and like you said, they

480
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: see a wise man love learn from other's mistakes. A

481
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: fool will learn from his own. The wise man, like

482
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: you said, are looking man Lebron James had Mike Mosilla said,

483
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: at year one or two he was having a personal

484
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 2: chef at this, this and this, and he had this

485
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: and Okay, so that's what it's gonna take. Maybe I

486
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: know everybody is not gonna get a billion dollar shoe deal.

487
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: Everybody's not gonna have a a signature pe a shooting,

488
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: but three four five hundred million dollar contracts. Look at yo,

489
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: what's y're gonna get in the next two two years,

490
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna get five on a million. Yeah, you see,

491
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: like the guy likes somebody like yogis about five years,

492
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: he'd be with thirty four.

493
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: So he's not that guy. Well he's not. You're telling

494
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: about the ant man. The ant man's because yeah, those

495
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: are the guys like that's gonna be touching the billions.

496
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: The billions, Yes, because you.

497
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: Know they got they got the the style of play. Yes,

498
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: they have the game, the marketing right, and they're they're

499
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: they're here at the right time. Yes, because Lebron just

500
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: thinking Lebron had it, came in into year two team

501
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: in twenty ten and he played twenty one years.

502
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: He's gonna make two billions. He's gonna make two be

503
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: because look at the numbers. So his max his first

504
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 2: MAX contract. You know, I remember when Mike Conley got

505
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 2: a contract. It like he was like one hundred and

506
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: thirty million, Like, oh my gosh, Now you get one

507
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollar contract.

508
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: That's in two years. It ain't a five year deal.

509
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: Li'sten two year deal.

510
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: My first My first deal was.

511
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: Six year, sixty four million right as a second second

512
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: round player when I sign my deal Kobe Bryant and

513
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: the max players was seventy nine million. They were seven years,

514
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: seventy nine million, six year. So I was like, by

515
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: the time I came in just be averaging eighteen, I

516
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: was only fifteen million dollars less than a max player. Wow, right,

517
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: that money creep up fast and he does.

518
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh So in the fourth quarter, Lebron James

519
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: had nineteen points on five made three. The Clippers had

520
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: sixteen points on one May three. Great game for the Lakers.

521
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: They needed that. That's the last time the Clippers will

522
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: play the Lakers as the home team in the building.

523
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: Next year obviously they moved to their new building. It's

524
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see. Huh did you say what

525
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 2: you said the Clippers as a home team.

526
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: Brother, They wasn't a home team. That was a Laker

527
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: crownd they listen, I don't know. Listen. Listen.

528
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: The reason Clippers never have a home game against the

529
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: Lakers because they are the.

530
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: Clippers in the LA.

531
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: So all the Lakers show up to get them front

532
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: rows for them cheap seats.

533
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 3: Go into a Laker game, cost your arm, and.

534
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I got a I got a suite for

535
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars whenever that same suite costs me about

536
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: twenty five. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I might even I

537
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: might even get court side tickets to the Clippers game.

538
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: That a this Lakers, this Lakers bad you talk about

539
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: you talk about probably about three quarters to a million

540
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: dollars for every day.

541
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 3: Uh. But it was a good game. Congrats to the Lakers.

542
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 3: Big win.

543
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: They needed that. Now they got some games at home

544
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: over there. I think their home the next the at

545
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: least the next week, but they they needed this win.

546
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: Now it's time for our first segment of the night.

547
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: It's called news Cap. Let's take a listen. Scotty Pipping

548
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: now back in on MJ as to go. Let's take

549
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: a listen to what Scotty had to say about MJ.

550
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: On this on their Hardest Grant Loop Longley Tour. Was

551
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: Michael the best of the greatest even h for sure.

552
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: I mean you look at the m vps that he

553
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 5: was able to achieve, But I think it was all

554
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 5: brought from us being successful as a team. Obviously something

555
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: one is gonna brings accolades home. But yeah, he was

556
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: the greatest player, definitely in Byti.

557
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: Okay when did when did At first it was Michael,

558
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: then it was Lebron and then he said all these

559
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: things in his memoir about Michael, And now he's back.

560
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: Now he's back, on on on what's okay?

561
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: What's he selling? What he got out there? But he got?

562
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: Does he got a wine? Does he got a book?

563
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: Does he got a newspaper? Is he selling cars? What's

564
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: he selling?

565
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: He has a last name called Pippin, right, pippin them

566
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: Pippins is tripping right now. They chasing that Jordan blood.

567
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: He got his wife out there leaving and coming back.

568
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: She doesn't, she doesn't realize. Goddamnit. I need the Jordan

569
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: brand now now, the real pipping.

570
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: No bulls to her realize, No, no, no, no, no, you

571
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: need bull His ass is back, mister Jordan. I just

572
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: think that just with the pipping, you just gotta follow

573
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan at this point. God, dang, I'm just trying.

574
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to I'm just trying to figure out

575
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: if you feel a way, you feel a way. There's

576
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: nothing I feel a certain way about a certain player,

577
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: no matter what that what happens between me and said player,

578
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: that doesn't change it. Because you and I might have

579
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: had a fallen out, that doesn't change what you've done.

580
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: That doesn't change how I feel about you. I might

581
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 2: not like your ass personally, but what you did on

582
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: the field, what you did on the court, what you

583
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: did on the baseball.

584
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Diamond or the field, that doesn't change. So I'm just

585
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, well, what I mean fall the flip.

586
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: I've seen fish. I had fish caught on the bank

587
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: that did less flopping than this.

588
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: They listen, they listen. That's the problem with being number two.

589
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about number two and three and four. I'm sorry, right,

590
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: we didn't come. Hey, we didn't come to see u

591
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: o this. Everybody came there to see Michael Jordan.

592
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I'm trying to figure out who in the

593
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: hell else could have played. I don't give it them,

594
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: but i mean, if you really think about it, who else.

595
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Could you put beside Jordan?

596
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: If you take whomever else did you have on my rushmore,

597
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: if you put them beside Jordan, especially especially now, it

598
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: might cause see, let's just say, for the sake of argument,

599
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: gil Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan. But he ain't got no shoe,

600
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: so he got he got regular shoes and he ain't

601
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: got no air in the shoe.

602
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: And he can't fly, but he's still Michael Jordan.

603
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things where I think they

604
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: thought that they were gonna get off and reality kicked in,

605
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: because if you listen to why they were mad, it

606
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: was some dumb reasons.

607
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: Horace Grin. Oh, they didn't. They didn't.

608
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: They didn't tell me that. They didn't say that I

609
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: talked back to Michael Jordan. I wanted the world know

610
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: that I talked back to Michael Jordan. So you think

611
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: they was gonna spend fifteen minutes on a doc for

612
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: you to talk back to Michaels. We don't care about

613
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: you talking back to Michael Jordan's sorry something?

614
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? Ay? You average? I don't know

615
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: what you average.

616
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: But obviously we didn't care because they done traded your

617
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: ass and bring in somebody else and they still won

618
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: three championships. This is funny, See, like, who do they

619
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: think they The problem with the toy is besides pipping

620
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: the rest of y'all, no one cared.

621
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Okay, you and your goggles can get the hell on.

622
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: I think the thing with Luke is that he would saying,

623
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: like Jordan said, you know, he gave Luke a compliment

624
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: against Utah. I think he had like fourteen points in

625
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: the first quarter. He said, Luke, you play it unbelievable.

626
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: They end up losing the game by thirty and Luke

627
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 2: had fourteen in the first quarter and he finished the

628
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: game with fourteen and he said, that's the last time

629
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm giving you a compliment. The only problem that I had,

630
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: the only problem that I had.

631
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 3: I mean, Jordan said what he said, he did, what

632
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: he did. We knew.

633
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm old enough to remember Jordan, So I

634
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: didn't really obviously behind the scene was great, but when

635
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: he brought Scotty Pippen into it, because he wasn't there,

636
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: when Scotty wouldn't go back into the ball game. So

637
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's a part of his story.

638
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like me and you. It's like me

639
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: and you. It's like me and you, Gil and you

640
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: do something like the incident that happened, and it happens

641
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: before Shannon gets there. But I do my story and

642
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: I include you in it. Like, man, you wasn't even then.

643
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: Why the hell you talk about what help and what

644
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: happened and you weren't even there. Now, obviously he had

645
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: great insight. I'm sure you know he was still talking

646
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: the field.

647
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

648
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: He didn't have no great relationship, so I know he

649
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: ain't get no information from Jay Krause, but he still

650
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: had guys on the team, and I'm sure that was

651
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: friendly with Mike, of course, But so yeah, he could.

652
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: Have left it out. I heard pipping and Pippin's argument

653
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: is valid, but it's not reality, right. I don't know

654
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: why you're drawing up a play for this guy. I'm

655
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, I'm missing, I'm in the m v P.

656
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: Kennedy.

657
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: That's all great, but are you a finisher? Do you

658
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: hit game winners? Do you take big shots?

659
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Some of you? Some guys just are not that guy? Right?

660
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 3: If Westbrook has the.

661
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: Private saying, well, I'm Russell Westbrook, I'm averaging a triple double.

662
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: I need to take the last shot. You don't.

663
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: No, you don't don't not right, Ben, No, you do

664
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: not right?

665
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: Be honest.

666
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: Come on, God damn it, I got dame.

667
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: Take that last shot, you know what I mean.

668
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: So what he's saying is valid because of the name,

669
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: But kno valid because of your skill. Right, he drew

670
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: this is the coach, y'all got championships. He drew the

671
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: player for the guy who had the best chance of

672
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: making it. And sorry you and the fact that this

673
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: is a three time MVB NBA champ and you refuse

674
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: to come on, come in the game.

675
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 3: Don't letting me know that, right because guys narratives. Yeah,

676
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: you see a lot of people perception of him though.

677
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 3: You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't

678
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: refuse Gil. You can't refuse to go.

679
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: Into the game. Okay, they draw the play up. The

680
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: player ain't coming to me. I ain't running no route,

681
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: I ain't going that. What Now you see why I

682
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: have ah Now you see why I have a problem

683
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: with the eighties in the nineties, because the narrative about

684
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: the guys today Primadonna's and this, and I'm like, wait,

685
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: hold on, do you guys know who you were when

686
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: you got playing?

687
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: The problem is Gil because social media. Then if a

688
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: player did that today and said, oh y'all do y'all.

689
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: Do If y'all have said I'm not going in the game,

690
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: if y'all giving.

691
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: The ball of day, there would be a fucking uproar. Yes,

692
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: but you did the same thing.

693
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: So I'm the type of guy like, hold on, I'm

694
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: going to raise my and and say I'm gonna call

695
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: you did it too.

696
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 3: Sir Gil.

697
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: A lot of what the players are, the players and

698
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: the old are resentful of is the power and the

699
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: money that today's players have. And even Michael Jordan did

700
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: not have the power of Steph Curry, of Lebron James

701
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: because he tried. There's when Lebron James was in his prime,

702
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: when he was at Cleveland. If they can make it,

703
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: if they was willing to somebody was willing to trade.

704
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: There's not a player that Jared Crofts like, nah, you

705
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: don't tell us who the draft. We're gonna get who

706
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: we want and we don't want no more of them. Sorry,

707
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: North thro a lot of players and know he can't.

708
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: I mean, so the players then they're rej they're they're

709
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: resentful because the players can move freely. M m Michael Jordan,

710
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: that couldn't go nowhere. You're like, you have to play

711
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: for me, you don't play at all. It's really that simple.

712
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. We have the power because of

713
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: you guys.

714
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: Yes, you little power that you guys had because the

715
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: generation before you, the generation before you, it's a it's

716
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: a trickle effect, right. If you listen for the older guys,

717
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: when Michael Jordan made that thirty million a year, what

718
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: you think.

719
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 3: They were saying, Yeah, are you making seats?

720
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: Like every generation hates the next week this generation right

721
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: now making fifty million and then they gotta start making

722
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: seventy five with one hundred. They're like, man, it's that's

723
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: that's light, man. Everyone moves the needle and do their

724
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: part right. And the fact that when you guys throw

725
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: shots at them, you have somebody who's research too that says,

726
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: hold on, I'm gonna throw shots back, right, I'm gonna

727
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: throw shots back. You're calling us Prima Donna's. Hey, there's

728
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: a there's a group called, uh Detroit Pistons. Yeah, he said,

729
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: y'all was Prima Donna's too, and y'all had the rule

730
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: because they was bullying y'all. Y'all all won championships, not

731
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: with your team. You won championships with our team. You

732
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: bought all our players, but you let you let Isaiah

733
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Thomas song. He gonna say, Well, if you look at

734
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: the Bulls team when they won. Now, look, don't that

735
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: look like the Detroit Listens freaking roughed up by our

736
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: own teammates, You know what I mean?

737
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: So there's history.

738
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just got to enjoy the game, no matter

739
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: how it looks. It's not gonna look the way it

740
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: looked when you played it. It's okay to gil, It's okay.

741
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: It's called evolution.

742
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: Athletes get bigger, stronger, faster, to get more skilled.

743
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: The game changed, and it's.

744
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: Okay it is you would have twenty five years twenty

745
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: years ago, Mark Eaton couldn't be rested soul Victor wimbin Yama.

746
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: That was not a guy like Jannis. But it's called evolution.

747
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: And guys are guys grow up now and they got

748
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: A and U and they got coaches. I mean, your

749
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 2: son probably had a coach where you were an NBA player.

750
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: You know, you was coaching your son an NBA player

751
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: at five, six, seven years old.

752
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: They didn't have that. Their dads wasn't in the NBA.

753
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: They and they didn't making the money that was gonna

754
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: pay for a personal coach. Now guys can do that

755
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: on their own if they don't have time to coach

756
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: and train them themselves.

757
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: So guys are better. The sooner you do things, the

758
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: better you're gonna get at it. So I'm not saying everybody, Look,

759
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: there are more guys. If you think about it, think

760
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: about how many guys can shoot the equivalent of Larry

761
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: Bird from the three and Larry Bird was thought of

762
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: as a great three point shooter. Think about how many

763
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: guys got a better percentage. You'd be surprised of how

764
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: many guys got a better percentage. And he won three

765
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: three point competitions to shoot the three ball better than

766
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: he is.

767
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: He did, So it is.

768
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: It is okay, don't I don't get up saying I

769
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: take it for what it is. Hey, Kelsey em and

770
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: all these guys. Hey give him the credit. Hey E

771
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: did goat Grom and Gates and all these guys. Hey,

772
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: I did what I did. I love the era which

773
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 2: I played in, But I'm willing to give guys credit.

774
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: I ain't taking nothing from him, like even with my son,

775
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: right and with Steph Curry. Steph Curry is the best.

776
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: Shooter because his dad was a shooter, and his dad

777
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: what his dad learned by the time he retired, he

778
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: instilled it into his son.

779
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: Right, So same thing with me. Everything I learned, all

780
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: the tricks I.

781
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: Learned and did, and the training I did, I get

782
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: to start my son at twelve with the same mentality.

783
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: So now my son has Jason Tatum moves in high school.

784
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: So by the time he gets to the pros, if

785
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: he gets there, his bag and package would be totally

786
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: different than mine.

787
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 3: Yes, point of evolution. And that's what people don't understand.

788
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: The guards of then the Isaiah Tom you have nothing,

789
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: no offense.

790
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 3: At six ' to one, you fast and quick and

791
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: sert at six ' four.

792
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm faster, I'm stronger, I'm more explosive, I'm more dangerous offensively.

793
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: Right, you were very great in your time. Can't take

794
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: nothing away from you.

795
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: But what I got to do is I had I

796
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: got to learn what you did at my sauce at

797
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: this That's just how it is. Yes, people don't understand that.

798
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: With the Kobe's, the Jason Tatums, I get. They get

799
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: to look at the package.

800
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: Yes, and steal everything, steal it, boom and add on

801
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: to it. It's just that's the game. Or they call it.

802
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: In music, they call it sampling.

803
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 5: And that.

804
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: But but Gil and then what I tell guys, I say,

805
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: guys like when I was in the league, there were

806
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: only a handful of guys myself and Coats uh Nova

807
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: check Brent Jones. They were only a handful of guys

808
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: that could legitimately really when you got down to it

809
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: was just me and me and coach in the in

810
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: the mid nineties that could go get you a thousand

811
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: double digit touchdowns. Now there are more guys that can

812
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: do with only a handful of could do.

813
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: So.

814
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: When Isaiah was handling the ball like he could, they

815
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: two or three guys on the team that can handle

816
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: the ball like Isaiahka and Rod Strickland.

817
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: With that package, you got several guys they got a

818
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: package like that. Now I'm not saying that, but look

819
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: at Kyrie.

820
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: We didn't think we'd ever see a guy like a

821
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: Rod Strickland, or a guy like Isaiah or a guy like.

822
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: Jason Williams and Kyrie. What Kyrie could do with the

823
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: ball is and one.

824
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: Harlem globe trottigh and he can finish with either hand

825
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: at the rim and even three level score at the

826
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: paint at the rim, either hand mid rays three. Finally

827
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: he go to the free throw lines gonna make somewhere

828
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: between eighty seven and ninety percent of his shots. But

829
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: there are a lot of guys that can do what

830
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: only a hand full could do back then. And I

831
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: don't know why they don't want to give them credit.

832
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: It's called evolution. Your kids probably are smarter and can

833
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: do things easier than what you could.

834
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I know my kids.

835
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: Look, they might not have the depth, but I'm talking

836
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: about this like general knowledge. Main't them kids the work,

837
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: the school work that they were doing. Man, they doing

838
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: stuff in the third and fourth grade, the hell I

839
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: was doing in the high school.

840
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had that.

841
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: I could do that hall working like that. I got

842
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: some hallwork. I said, Okay, I call you a tutor.

843
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: I can't help you. You're gonna fail the class now.

844
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: But just like in football, at some point, as a quarterback,

845
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a door a switch thrower. There's gonna

846
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: be a guy, and then once the one comes in,

847
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: everyone after him will be taught to throw with their

848
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: right end their left just as accurate. That's coming. That's

849
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: the evolution, you know what I mean. And I don't

850
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: think people factor in any of that. Like I remember

851
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: when I came in two. I came in two thousand

852
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,959
Speaker 1: and one, and I remember my first time against John

853
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: Stockton and Gary Payton, right, I frightened because the ideal

854
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: of what I used to watch, Gary Payton getting that glove,

855
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: get that little smirky boom. What happened was after I

856
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: got that first hit, Nah, theyin't not like that, right,

857
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: the things that they're trying.

858
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: To do that doesn't work against me.

859
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: So first time I said, all right, hey, Antoine, hey,

860
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: dip out, I'm about to see how fast he really is, right.

861
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: And took off on them. Meet me at the rim, like,

862
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: oh my god, he can't even stay in front of me.

863
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: Now you look at year two, Gary Payton, John Stockton,

864
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: it's boom, boom boom. Then from there, all these defensive

865
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: rules that they were in their non existent and is outdated. Right,

866
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: it's an outdated system. It was like people don't realize.

867
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: People think AI changed the point guard position. AI was

868
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: a shooting guard. I was the point guard that changed it.

869
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: I was the aggressor in it.

870
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: I was there. It was me.

871
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: I was the top scorer at twenty eight twenty nine.

872
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: Number two was James Mike James. Number three is Mike Bibby. Right,

873
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: those think about the names I'm saying, right, Mike James,

874
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: Mike Bibby. At eighteen and nineteen and seventeen, those were

875
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: the It was still those type of guards. You know,

876
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, you know Tony Parker. It wasn't guys that

877
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: are trying to score thirty on you, right, these guys

878
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: are trying to run offense.

879
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying to embarrass you.

880
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: So how are you going to play defense against me

881
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: when you got to run your team and then you

882
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: got to play defense against.

883
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: A dude who's trying to score like a Kobe Bryant.

884
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: Right now, every guard is that, Yes, all these guys

885
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: are two's masquerading its points. Darrin Fox ain't no point.

886
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: James Harden is a two. Russ was a too, all

887
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: is Steph Curry is a two. These guys Draymond Russ

888
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: offense and go to State. Yeah, Steph is the two.

889
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 2: Those guys A two was masquerading. Give those guys credit.

890
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: But when you when you when you look at what

891
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 2: they've been able to do, uh evolution. I just wish

892
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: and and and I would just wish the old guard

893
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: would give the new guard credit because they make it

894
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: seem like they bombs and they're not, and they're not.

895
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: They gonna say what they want. I know one thing

896
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: they can do. Guard them. You can't guard them.

897
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: The reason you can't guard them is because y'all didn't

898
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: play like that.

899
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 3: For you to even know these movements. You never played

900
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: backbelling in the whole game.

901
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: You never played with a guy like James Harden sitting

902
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: there trying to be No, this ain't that.

903
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: Bring it back down. Let the big man get the

904
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: cross screen, pass it down to her.

905
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: You didn't no, no, no, John Stocked him. I'm gonna

906
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: walk you all the way down to the free throw

907
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: line and then set the pick right here. If I

908
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: walk you down to the free throw line, you can

909
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: post up.

910
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 3: Little man.

911
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: This ain't no like job. You can't even post Steve Nash.

912
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Let's get to the block now. Now the matrix got

913
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: a gardment because I keep posting up this little guard.

914
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Come on, John, bring old. Let's go work this by

915
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: all right? Switch off? Come on, Matt harpering Now you

916
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: gotta put that harpering on me because John Stock too little.

917
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm going one on one with you because you

918
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: are two guard, not fast enough to be a point

919
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: guard right right now, me trying to guard someone like

920
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: James Harden when he has to be stopped by the

921
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: twos and the threes.

922
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Now you have a real point guard trying to guard

923
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: right and and he's hard in the six, four sixty five.

924
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: And but here's the thing. These guys now got handles,

925
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: all of them. I mean, look at hard they'll be

926
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: do do. And then once he developed that step back,

927
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: that side step three, which everybody seems to have added

928
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 2: to their bag.

929
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: They gotten that tool out of his toolbox and added

930
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: it to theirs. How do you stop it? Because you

931
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: know he could get by you. Still he's slythery.

932
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: He's not as slithery as he once was, he's not

933
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: as explosive as he once was, but he's still explosive

934
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: enough to get by you. And then when you black

935
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: up off him, guess what he just these steps back

936
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Speaker 2: is shoes to three. And now you're just said his

937
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: mercy just hopes he miss it because you're getting wide

938
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: open looks.

939
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's arguing. It's arguing with people's vision

940
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: of when they first seen basketball for the first time. Right,

941
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: It's just like anything like when you've seen it for

942
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: the first time, that's all you know what it looks like.

943
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 3: That was the purest form for you as an individual.

944
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: Ever since then it is considered a water down version

945
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: of what was introduced to you. That's life how it

946
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: was introduced to you. Back in the eighties, eighty three,

947
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: eighty forty five, the.

948
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 3: Way the game was played was the purest for you.

949
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: Right, so everything after that considered its water down, right

950
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: that it says water down. It is not like that,

951
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: like the eighties is not the toughest. They are considered

952
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: weak compared to the seventies.

953
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: In the sixties, right.

954
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Where you get to get clothes line and I can

955
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: you know, punching your face and then it's just a.

956
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: That was that era. They had to clean it up

957
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: for TV, right, so yes, he got involved. It was cleaned.

958
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: That was clean, and then the nineties a little bit

959
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: clean of two thousand clean and now you have an

960
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: entertaining game.

961
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: This game now is.

962
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: Entertainment. It's not basketball, right, this is entertainment. I'm gonna

963
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: put butts in the seats. I'm I'm in the business

964
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: of selling a show. So you can say, oh, they

965
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: don't play no DEFs old, they don't do this. You

966
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: can say it all you want. Adam Silver gonna say this. Yeah,

967
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, we've been looking into uh what you want

968
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: me to say? Oh, yeah, we've been looking.

969
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: Into way you know, we maybe we've killed it, maybe

970
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: we've kielded it too far in the offensive favor. Maybe

971
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: we're trying to find a way to get defense back in.

972
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Speaker 1: Bob, she ain't doing nothing. How you gonna how you

973
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: gonna see a flaw in something that's paying people fifty

974
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars? Yeah, uh, fifty sixty million dollars and

975
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: you think they think it's a flaw.

976
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 3: My bank account says, Hey.

977
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: Every day is like we just like we're playing your

978
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: Donas Haslam says, age plays a factor in his opinion

979
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 2: about Lebron Your Donna's. Haslam said, the only reason why

980
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: MJ is my goat is because, like he said, we

981
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: watched them growing up.

982
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: I'm older than Broun. He can't be my goat.

983
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: I see that a lot, especially with comedians, because even

984
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: current comedians really don't put Chappelle as their goat. They

985
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: normally go back to prior. They go back to Eddie

986
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: Murphy or they'll go to Red Fox, They'll go to

987
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: Bernie Mack, they'll go to Robin Harrison, they go to

988
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: George Carlin. You know, it's always a lady Bruce. They

989
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: always go back. He says, he's my contemporary.

990
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: I had JB.

991
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: Smooth on, had a lot of comedian I've had a

992
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: lot of comedians on Tommy Davidson, and they always go

993
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 1: back a generation before him. Yeah, as opposed to saying

994
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: somebody that's a contemporary or peer is on their Mount

995
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: Rushmore or their goat.

996
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 3: What's your take on that? I get what your Donnason said,

997
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: I ain't got no problem.

998
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: I didn't play. I didn't play against Travis Kelsey. I

999
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: didn't play against Grom. I was leaving the league when

1000
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: Gates was there, but he didn't really play much my

1001
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: last year. I played a few years against Gonzo. So

1002
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of like, uh, I played one year.

1003
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: I think Ozzie retired after my rookie. My rookie year,

1004
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 2: I saw Ozzie play. But I remember Winslow Big Winslow senior,

1005
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: Kellen Winslow senior. But I get what you're Donnisy said.

1006
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: It's like bro I'm older than him. He can't be

1007
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: my goat. I played with him. He contemporary, but that's that's.

1008
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: Just a competitive nature of who he is, right, And

1009
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: and a lot of players you don't want to name

1010
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: somebody that is still playing with you, you played against

1011
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: that's probably giving you fifty something, right, I don't want

1012
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: him to be my my goat, right, So you go backwards, right,

1013
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: And that's just that's just how it is.

1014
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 3: Whenever you hear a.

1015
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: Player talk, when you hear the guys talk today and

1016
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: they have Kobe as their goat, they didn't play against Kobe, right,

1017
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: it was on the end of it, right, So they're

1018
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: coming in the same so they wasn't really a competitor

1019
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: like that. The real competitors when they retire, they're gonna.

1020
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: Say, all right, you know he Bean was a killer. Okay,

1021
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: he's the goat.

1022
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: He's up there, right, So you still get the respect,

1023
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: but it's usually after.

1024
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: The person's done, really done, retired

1025
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: A few years, reality kicks in and then they can

1026
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: give you their their honest opinion.