WEBVTT - BONUS EPISODE: Revisionist History : A Very Terminator Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas is one week away, and how am I celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>with restraint and circumspection. In the glabew family, we do

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<v Speaker 1>a mid century modern Christmas. Spare elegant, minimalist, lots of

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<v Speaker 1>the baby Jesus in a tasteful Scandinavian leather and rosewood manger.

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<v Speaker 1>No Santa, no reindeer, no elves. Not so for my

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<v Speaker 1>colleague Ben adaf Halfrey. The Globows impose a dollar limit

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<v Speaker 1>on gifts, like price controls in some socialist state that

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<v Speaker 1>at half Halfreys spend months thinking of what to get

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<v Speaker 1>one another. The globows by a tree at the last moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and would be happier if we could just move the

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<v Speaker 1>whole operation outside around the Douglas Pine. In the backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben's family has a tree, a little model village covered

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<v Speaker 1>in snow, and his father's vintage electric train set, plus

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<v Speaker 1>a little metal tree with ornaments that's up year round.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I told Ben that I had never watched

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Wonderful Life, he was stunned. Then he reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to me as the good smartan did to the

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<v Speaker 1>traveler lying beref by the side of the road. How

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<v Speaker 1>could this be? He asked me gently, because, as you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine, within the daf Haffreys, It's a wonderful life

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<v Speaker 1>is a sacred text. Then Ben told me another story

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<v Speaker 1>about what, in his mind is an even more important

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas tale, a story that he regards as the apotheosis

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<v Speaker 1>of all Christmas movies, a story not in a film,

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<v Speaker 1>but of the making of a film. Welcome to revisionist history.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Malcolm Gladwell. Today in our show, Ben the n

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<v Speaker 1>alf Halfrey relays for the very first time in history,

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<v Speaker 1>the truly screwy story of the making of the oddest

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas film of all time. Trust me, you have never

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<v Speaker 1>heard this story before ever, nor have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>the movie in question. Unless you do. You remember the

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<v Speaker 1>extended dedf Halfway Clan or were recently incarcerated in a

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<v Speaker 1>state that limits prisoner's streaming access to obscure television movies

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen nineties. But when you listen to what follows,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to ask yourself the same question I ask

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<v Speaker 1>myself when Ben first told me this story.

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<v Speaker 2>How do I miss this?

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<v Speaker 3>Unlike Malcolm, I am a great lover of Christmas movies.

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<v Speaker 3>Every year, as soon as Thanksgiving is over, I'm firing

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<v Speaker 3>up the Bishop's Wife, Miracle on thirty fourth Street, or

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<v Speaker 3>It's a Wonderful Life. And then there's my favorite Christmas movie,

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<v Speaker 3>a little less famous, the nineteen forty five romantic comedy

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas in Connecticut. I've watched it pretty much every year

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<v Speaker 3>since I was little. Barbara Stanwick plays a magazine columnist

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<v Speaker 3>who's famous for entertaining on her grand Connecticut farm. She's

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<v Speaker 3>known as a great cook. It's the end of World

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<v Speaker 3>War Two and her magazine's public sure has an idea

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<v Speaker 3>for a great feature. Jill hosts a returning war hero

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<v Speaker 3>for Christmas on her farm. There's just one problem. It's

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<v Speaker 3>all a lie. She doesn't live in Connecticut. She lives

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<v Speaker 3>in a tiny apartment in New York. And she has

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<v Speaker 3>no clue how to cook.

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<v Speaker 2>My fun? Oh yes, my fun?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my fine? And you want to see you right

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<v Speaker 4>away to arrange it.

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<v Speaker 5>Arrange it? Are you crazy?

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<v Speaker 4>Where am I going to get a farm? I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>even got a window.

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<v Speaker 5>Boss, That's just it.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll have to star him off, you know what, to

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<v Speaker 4>stick to the truth.

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<v Speaker 6>If he ever finds out we've been making all this up,

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<v Speaker 6>you'll fire the both of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Chaos ensues. It's a classic screwball comedy and a total delight.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing I really want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 3>in this episode is what happened after I discovered, quite

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<v Speaker 3>by accident, that there was a remake of this favorite

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas movie of mine, an action packed, star studed, joke filled,

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<v Speaker 3>really very different version of the original, made for TV

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<v Speaker 3>and directed by none other than Arnold Schwarzenegger. A kind

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<v Speaker 3>of shocking twist if you ask me, I mean, why

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<v Speaker 3>would the Terminator take on Christmas in Connecticut? So I

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<v Speaker 3>did what any good Christmas fiend would do. I talked

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<v Speaker 3>to a dozen people about something that happened thirty years

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<v Speaker 3>ago for way too many hours to get the real story,

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<v Speaker 3>and I discovered in the process. But I have come

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<v Speaker 3>to regard as the greatest Christmas tale of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>I've told this story many times, I've never told it

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<v Speaker 2>all the record. It's a big story, So if you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the time, I will tell it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Stan Brooks in the early nineteen nineties. He was

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<v Speaker 3>an independent made for TV movie producer.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm developing movies and a friend of mine goes

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<v Speaker 2>and gets the job at TNC, and I make the

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<v Speaker 2>very first movie for him.

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<v Speaker 3>TNT launched in nineteen eighty eight, at the start of

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<v Speaker 3>the cable television revolution. Then, as now, cable was expensive,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was growing. The whole game was trying to

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<v Speaker 3>raise awareness to get people to sign up, and with

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<v Speaker 3>channels running twenty four to seven, there was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of space to fill, which led to a boom and

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<v Speaker 3>made for TV movies. Stan's first film on TNT was

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<v Speaker 3>a big success. So he got another bite at the

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<v Speaker 3>apple and he calls.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, He goes, what do you want to do next?

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<v Speaker 2>So they said, Nami years, would you ever let me

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<v Speaker 2>do a remake from the MGM library because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>Ted owned, And he said, yes, just pick one.

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas movies always do well, and there is one. Stan

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<v Speaker 3>loved Christmas in Connecticut, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know the Barber Stanlet movie, and so I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this could be a good one. It was right as

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<v Speaker 2>Martha Stewart was exploding. I thought, well, what if this

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<v Speaker 2>is Martha Stewart. What if she's on TV and has

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<v Speaker 2>an empire and it's all fake? And so they loved

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<v Speaker 2>that take, and so off we went to the races.

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<v Speaker 7>He got a writer to work up the script in television.

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<v Speaker 7>It was It was great because you can get your

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<v Speaker 7>stuff made.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Janet Brownew, one of the all time great

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<v Speaker 3>Bards of TV movie writer on Eloise at the Plaza,

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve Dates of Christmas, Days of Our Lives and the

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<v Speaker 3>uncredited rewrite of Tim Allens the Santa Claus all Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Now she loved the original Christmas in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean it's a charming and in fairst to me,

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<v Speaker 8>the original draft was very close.

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<v Speaker 3>Janet wrote the draft of the script for Stan's remake.

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<v Speaker 2>And we turn it in and they go, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is do me in a Christmas movie. So now

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<v Speaker 2>I have and I have a nice little Christmas programmer

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<v Speaker 2>and nothing more.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the middle of nineteen ninety one in Hollywood. Janet

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<v Speaker 3>and Stan's low budget television movie remake isn't really the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of thing to get people talking, but they're making progress.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got the old school movie star Diane Cannon cast

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<v Speaker 3>in the lead as the Martha Stewart character, and an

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<v Speaker 3>offer out to a director. And then one day his

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<v Speaker 3>phone rings. His assistant says, it's a big Hollywood agent

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<v Speaker 3>named Lou Pitt.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I understand I'm in the television movie business. These

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<v Speaker 2>guys are never calling me, so if they do call me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's never good. And and he he gets on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone and he says, the other director for your Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>in Connecticut movie. And I said, uh, well almost yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we may have an offer out And he said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Well if he doesn't say yes, I want you to consider

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<v Speaker 2>my client. And I go, okay, wait to hear the name,

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<v Speaker 2>and I go who He goes Arl Schwarzenegger, and I

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<v Speaker 2>burst out laughly.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh he was. He was totally shocked.

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<v Speaker 3>Lou Pitt, legendary agent Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hilarious. No, seriously, is this a joke?

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<v Speaker 9>Is this a joke?

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, no, seriously, and he goes, I'm Schwartzaker's not

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<v Speaker 2>going a Christmas movie for tn T.

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<v Speaker 3>To be clear, Arnold had just finished shooting James Cameron's

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<v Speaker 3>epic Terminator too Asta La Vista Baby. Terminator two is

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<v Speaker 3>the one where Arnold Schwarzenegger plays a killer cyborg sent

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<v Speaker 3>from the future to protect young John Connor from a

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<v Speaker 3>different killer cyborg also sent from the future to kill him.

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<v Speaker 3>As you can imagine, such a plot necessitates a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of elaborate production work. He was movie making on a

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<v Speaker 3>scale that was practically unheard of, especially in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 10>The production actually changed the course of a river to

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<v Speaker 10>shoot high speed chases in the extensive clood control channels

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<v Speaker 10>of Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyways, back to Stan and Lou the Agent.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, Lou, why on earth were Arnold Swartz? He says, well,

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<v Speaker 2>here's why.

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<v Speaker 3>Arnold Schwarzenegger was forty four years old, he had two kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody is an action hero forever. Maybe it was time

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<v Speaker 3>to explore some alternatives.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he was kind of tired after T two

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<v Speaker 2>when he said to Blue, I would like to direct

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<v Speaker 2>a movie.

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<v Speaker 9>The directing thing was kind of out of the box,

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<v Speaker 9>out a left field, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Said, well, can we'll put together a big feat direct

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, no, no, no, I want low risk. If I

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<v Speaker 2>do a terrible job, I don't want anyone to be upset.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want a big budget, and I want it

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<v Speaker 2>to be family friendly because I don't want anything to

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<v Speaker 2>be controversial nothing. I just want something very simple. And

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<v Speaker 2>the only one that fit the bill was Christmas, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, okay, I'll I'll call you if this

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<v Speaker 2>guy passes and I ham the phone off force my

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<v Speaker 2>hearts jumping out him like I go.

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<v Speaker 9>What and and I said, yeah, I'm serious. I read it.

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<v Speaker 9>I think he'd like it, So get me an offer.

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<v Speaker 3>Stan gets the green light from the executives at TNT.

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<v Speaker 3>There's some negotiating and they offer Schwartzenegger one hundred thousand bucks,

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<v Speaker 3>and then one night stands phone rings.

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<v Speaker 2>I pick it up and I hear Sam Brooks, yes

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<v Speaker 2>please hold for homes forts Snagger and now I'm serious.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see my heart beating, and he goes hello.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, uh, Arnold, you're the guy with this Christmas script?

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<v Speaker 2>I said yes. He says it's fantastic. I'd love to direct.

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<v Speaker 9>I go okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, but I have to shoot in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 2>knight to do it in these days. And he goes

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<v Speaker 2>a nice some notes of the script. I go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>can you be here in an hour?

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<v Speaker 3>And I go, uh no.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, can you be on Wednesday? I go, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I could be there on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>He goes over for a meeting at Arnold's offices in

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<v Speaker 3>Santa Monica.

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<v Speaker 2>So now going to see me on Wednesday? And you

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<v Speaker 2>walk in and there's this giant lobby and and the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing you see is the exoskeleton, the metal thing

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<v Speaker 2>with the red eyes from Terminator. So there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the posters are up on the wall, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt. When you walk in and you see

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<v Speaker 2>this seven foot thing, you go, oh, crap, I know

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<v Speaker 2>where I am. My heart's beating and I go in

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<v Speaker 2>and he's in his office, which is massive. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, signs of a football field, and he's on one.

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<v Speaker 2>You walk in on this end and he's on the

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<v Speaker 2>other ends. You go walk past all the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the props and stuff, and then he's at a big,

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<v Speaker 2>huge desk with a big giant chair, and behind him

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<v Speaker 2>is a bookshelf but with all of the Mister Universe awards,

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<v Speaker 2>not film stuff, it's all his bodybuilding awards. And I

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<v Speaker 2>remember we were going through the script and I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to use the restroom and he pointed to

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<v Speaker 2>me by putting up this bicep and pointing it like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and his bicep comes cleaning. He goes this doc wo

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<v Speaker 2>and I go, is that just to show me your

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<v Speaker 2>boy step? And he goes, I have to show you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the guns whenever I can, and I realized, okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>this guy definitely has a sense of humort by himself.

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<v Speaker 3>They sit down, Arnold has notes on the script he

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<v Speaker 3>will he wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>A more humor and a little more jeopardy, and so

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<v Speaker 2>we added in like this like sort of big action

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<v Speaker 2>sequence at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>Where he rescues the and all of a sudden, Janet Brownell,

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<v Speaker 3>who wrote the original script for the remake, is looking

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<v Speaker 3>at a very different movie.

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<v Speaker 7>The whole thing took this like one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 7>degree turn. At that point, it was just like what

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<v Speaker 7>is And Stan just did not want to lose him,

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm like, Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>I truly don't see this.

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<v Speaker 2>But if it gets a film green light, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>give a shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Arnold wants them to get someone else to come in

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<v Speaker 3>and punch up the script.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted more humor, and as it happened, my best

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<v Speaker 2>friend in the world had written.

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<v Speaker 3>Commando Commando, the nineteen eighty five action film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger,

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<v Speaker 3>which the critic from the La Times referred to as

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<v Speaker 3>a quote gory crowd pleaser and a glorified fireworks display.

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<v Speaker 2>And Arnold loved them and said, if you think you

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<v Speaker 2>get him to do a comedy past.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff Low, the friend who wrote Commando, gets hired to

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<v Speaker 3>do the rewrite with his writing partner.

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<v Speaker 9>We walk in.

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<v Speaker 6>He's sitting on a white couch, maybe it's literally the

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<v Speaker 6>length of the biggest limousine you've ever seen in your life,

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<v Speaker 6>and he has his feed up on this white porcelain

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<v Speaker 6>marble table. He's got a big cigar in his mouth

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<v Speaker 6>and scrips all around him, and he doesn't say hello,

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<v Speaker 6>He doesn't introduce himself, he doesn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 5>He just the first thing out of his mouth is, so,

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<v Speaker 5>what of you guys been doing since Commando? Clearly not

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<v Speaker 5>going to the gym.

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<v Speaker 3>I just have to say, everyone in this episode is

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<v Speaker 3>going to do their own Schwartzenegger impression, which is good

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<v Speaker 3>because even though we couldn't land an interview with him,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like he's here with us in spirit anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>They settle in and start rewriting the film Commando style.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's where things kind of went off the rails

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<v Speaker 8>for me personally, because it's like, Okay, this is becoming

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<v Speaker 8>a completely different thing. It just Schwartzenegger eye into like

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<v Speaker 8>this thing that was bigger than life.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, she just did an amazing job. We didn't

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<v Speaker 4>make any real big structural changes. That's all hers, but

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<v Speaker 4>a dialogue pass and goes through it and try to

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<v Speaker 4>find more Bold's vision.

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<v Speaker 3>They start burning through the script. A big job for

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<v Speaker 3>any director is giving notes on the rewrites. Schwarzenegger was

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<v Speaker 3>calling in help from his director friends, including legendary comedy

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<v Speaker 3>director Ivan Reitman, the guy who did Ghostbusters. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 3>working to realize Arnold's vision.

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<v Speaker 5>Now you have to understand that on Commando he would

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<v Speaker 5>do this all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>He would go, I have a great idea this and

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<v Speaker 4>this is what I want to do.

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<v Speaker 6>When the guy comes at me, I want to throw.

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<v Speaker 11>A buzzsaw at him and it chops off his arm,

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<v Speaker 11>and then I'm going to pick up his arm and

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<v Speaker 11>punch me in his face with his old arm. And

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<v Speaker 11>we would go, well, we like the bus off part.

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<v Speaker 11>Can we just do the bus off art? So like,

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<v Speaker 11>our job is not to go I think that's not

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<v Speaker 11>gonna work. Our job is to make it work. And

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<v Speaker 11>it doesn't help that the next day he would say.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we're doing really well, We're really getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really coming to where I wanted to be, so

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<v Speaker 2>I gave it to Steve It.

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<v Speaker 6>And Stephen talked to me last night and he said,

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<v Speaker 6>I have to really be careful that and this is

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<v Speaker 6>what I want you to do. And again I'm like,

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<v Speaker 6>is Stephen the guy at the jim is Stephen?

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<v Speaker 4>Who is Steve It?

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<v Speaker 6>And then suddenly as you go, you know, as he

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<v Speaker 6>starts to sort of talk more, you go, he's talking

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<v Speaker 6>about Steven Spielberg.

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<v Speaker 3>This is beginning to look like a train nobody would

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<v Speaker 3>step in front of. Back at TNT, the executives had

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<v Speaker 3>a dim sense of what was going on.

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<v Speaker 10>It's not it's not has done now.

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<v Speaker 3>Lorie Postman Tier one of the TNT executives.

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<v Speaker 10>Whether you're famous or not, as a director agent, that

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't happen. To let somebody go and change things as

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<v Speaker 10>much as we're change.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, they've cast the rest of the film. Joining Diane

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<v Speaker 3>Cannon would be Hollywood screwball legend Tony Curtis, probably best

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<v Speaker 3>known for playing opposite Marilyn Monroe in Some Like It Hot.

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<v Speaker 3>Along with him would be ex country music star Chris Kristofferson.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's TNT's senior vice president of production at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Lombardo.

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<v Speaker 12>Even when they cast it, I thought, well, that is

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<v Speaker 12>the weirdest cast I ever heard of. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 12>idea that these people fit together made no sense at all.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, Diane Cannon and Chriskus Dobinson in the same frame.

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<v Speaker 12>It makes a star is born when he's holding Barbara

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<v Speaker 12>Streisad look organic.

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<v Speaker 3>So armed with one of the all time weirdest, most

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<v Speaker 3>stacked casts in the history of film, a comparatively small

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<v Speaker 3>budget of three million dollars, a slot on an upstart

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<v Speaker 3>cable network, and a script based on a nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 3>screwball comedy that's been punched up by two of the

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<v Speaker 3>writers behind a big eighties blockbuster. An Austrian former bodybuilder,

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<v Speaker 3>fresh off his repeat performance as a time traveling cyborg,

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<v Speaker 3>prepared to direct his first Christmas film.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't, as a TV movie producer ever get near

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<v Speaker 2>anything this hot. You just don't.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, we're we're all a little nervous about the

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<v Speaker 10>whole thing, you know, because it's like you're playing with

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<v Speaker 10>matches and you know, oh, yeah, that's that Arnold directed this.

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<v Speaker 9>You know.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like, for us three million dollars was a lot

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<v Speaker 10>of money.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know, I don't know whatever.

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<v Speaker 10>It was like, Oh yeah, he wanted to prove that

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<v Speaker 10>he could be a director.

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone was about to find out whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>he could. Christmas and Connecticut, the remake began filming about

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<v Speaker 3>two months before Christmas in Los Angeles. Because Arnold Schwartzenegger

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<v Speaker 3>had never before directed a future film, though what the

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<v Speaker 3>record show he had directed an episode of the TV

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<v Speaker 3>show Tales from the Crypt, the production arranged for to

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<v Speaker 3>film more or less in the order they happen in

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<v Speaker 3>the film. There's a lot less to keep track of

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<v Speaker 3>continuity wise that way, but this also posed a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the anxieties of adapting a great work of

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<v Speaker 3>art is figuring out how to make it your own.

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<v Speaker 3>The nineteen ninety two made for TV remake of Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>in Connecticut does this immediately by introducing its male lead,

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<v Speaker 3>a park ranger named Jefferson Jones, mid workout routine in

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<v Speaker 3>his mountain cabin. If you're looking for signs that this

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<v Speaker 3>is not your grandmother's Christmas in Connecticut, the site of

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Christofferson as Jefferson Jones, sweating after busting out some

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<v Speaker 3>chin ups on a beam in his cabin is your

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<v Speaker 3>first morning, a man on the television offers some brisk

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<v Speaker 3>exposition while he cools down. In the last hour, experts

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<v Speaker 3>predict this shouldn't be the biggest storm to hit the

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<v Speaker 3>Rockies in the last decade.

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<v Speaker 13>More than four feet of snow is anticipated to blanket

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<v Speaker 13>the area in the next forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 3>The phone rings. Another ranger is calling to tell Jones

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<v Speaker 3>a kid has gotten lost in the blizzard. He has

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<v Speaker 3>to go out and find him. This is the fabled

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<v Speaker 3>action sequence Schwarzenegger had requested. They shot the blizzard on

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<v Speaker 3>a sound stage. It's the moment Jefferson Jones becomes a hero,

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<v Speaker 3>which is why he gets invited to be a guest

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<v Speaker 3>of Elizabeth Blaine's for a Christmas special in Connecticut. It's

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<v Speaker 3>got to look epic. It's got to have that Arnold

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<v Speaker 3>Schwarzenegger feeling. Unfortunately terminator, this is not. Here's Jim Wilberger,

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<v Speaker 3>director of production.

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<v Speaker 10>You know there's a scene where Christofferson, you know, suddenly

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<v Speaker 10>has rescued the kid and you see him rolled down

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<v Speaker 10>this little hill of snow which was shot on stage

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<v Speaker 10>and trying to make more of more of it because

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<v Speaker 10>there wasn't that much set for that little hill, and

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<v Speaker 10>you know, and then suddenly you see all the people

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<v Speaker 10>rush in to rescue you know. I mean, this was

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<v Speaker 10>just not good blocking, and that's just an experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Schwarzenegger wanted Jeopardy, but this kind of looks like a

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<v Speaker 3>snowball fight gone. Jones stumbles over a very small hill

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<v Speaker 3>holding a child that looks like it might be a mannequin.

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<v Speaker 3>He's groaning and yelling, but his lips aren't moving, so

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<v Speaker 3>tough start. Luckily, though, a lot of the film is

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<v Speaker 3>set inside Elizabeth Blaine's fake Connecticut house where she's shooting

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<v Speaker 3>a Christmas special in celebration of Jones. The bulk production

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<v Speaker 3>happened there, so the whole crew set up at a

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<v Speaker 3>house in South Pasadena for the real work. This introduced

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<v Speaker 3>Arnold to the second problem of directing actor ego management,

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<v Speaker 3>and the issue of his trailer.

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<v Speaker 14>Arnold's trailer was like a house on wheels.

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<v Speaker 15>It was literally like you'd look at it from the

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<v Speaker 15>outside and you'd say, wow, that's got all kinds of

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<v Speaker 15>popouts and the roof went off and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you got inside, it was literally like you

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<v Speaker 2>had just walked into like the Greystone Mansion, you.

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<v Speaker 10>Know, it's probably almost three times as wide as a

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<v Speaker 10>normal trailer, and that it was the length that became

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<v Speaker 10>the issue. Diane comes in and she says, why is

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<v Speaker 10>Arnold's trailer bigger than my trailer? Nobody's supposed to have

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<v Speaker 10>a bigger trailer than me.

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<v Speaker 3>Diane Cannon was the star of the film, but she

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<v Speaker 3>was maybe realizing that this production was all about the director. Schwarzenegger, though,

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<v Speaker 3>was dealing with other problems. Namely, he had chosen one

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<v Speaker 3>of the hardest genres for his first major directing for

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<v Speaker 3>a screwball comedy is like dancing on the head of

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<v Speaker 3>a pin. It thrives on chaos, but it has to

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<v Speaker 3>be a kind of controlled chaos. With his big personality cast,

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<v Speaker 3>low budget, short timeline, and hastily rewritten script, Schwarzenegger had

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<v Speaker 3>an excess of chaos and a minimum of control. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you have one somewhat disgruntled actress portraying fake Martha Stewart,

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<v Speaker 3>and another who's a macho park ranger, but who, for

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<v Speaker 3>no apparent reason, relays this backstory part way through the movie.

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<v Speaker 16>Actually, before I moved to Colorado, I lived in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 16>I grew up there, taught comparative Literature at the University

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<v Speaker 16>of Container really offered tenure and head of the department,

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<v Speaker 16>and it's what I thought I wanted. That's being caged

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<v Speaker 16>in by concrete and crowds for the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>This is I'm pretty sure the only time in the

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<v Speaker 3>entire film Jefferson jones Is past as chair of the

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<v Speaker 3>University of Chicago's Comparative Literature department is mentioned. And I

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<v Speaker 3>love Chris Kristofferson, but most of the rest of his

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<v Speaker 3>performance veers between stiff and oddly sexually charged.

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<v Speaker 10>When he starts smearing the pine staff on her neck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that it's it's it's just kind of transcendently weird.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, well, not to mention his two times he's like

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<v Speaker 10>staring at her butt.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's an extensive shot of that.

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<v Speaker 9>But you can't buy that at Limingdal.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got two characters who really just barely hang together,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you have to direct them in tightly choreographed

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<v Speaker 3>zany sequences that have got to feel plausible yet also hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>Us for instance, the scene with the baby. Remember in

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas in Connecticut, Elizabeth is a total fraud. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>know how to cook. It's not even her house in Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's got this fake, staged family with her, including

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<v Speaker 3>a fake baby. She had to keep up appearances for

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<v Speaker 3>the sake of her column. In the original film, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lovely scene where she and Jefferson Jones give her

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<v Speaker 3>fake baby a bath. She a supposed domestic goddess, is

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<v Speaker 3>meant to bathe her child, which she suspiciously has no

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<v Speaker 3>clue how to do. He steps in and does it

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<v Speaker 3>for her like a total pro. It's part of why

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<v Speaker 3>she falls in love with him, and because it's so

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<v Speaker 3>well executed in the original film, we believe they're following

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<v Speaker 3>in love in this totally implausible moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So so oh refer tho she's eating the soul? Would

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<v Speaker 2>I do what they are doing?

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<v Speaker 15>Oh?

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<v Speaker 17>Really, you'd make a wonderful father.

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<v Speaker 16>Mister jere You're not married off by any chance, are you?

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<v Speaker 9>No cards are stacked against me.

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<v Speaker 16>I guess every time I meet a girl I like,

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<v Speaker 16>it turns out she's already married.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh that's too bad now.

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<v Speaker 3>This also happens in the Arnold Schwarzenegger version.

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<v Speaker 10>Maybe we should finish up for finish up?

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<v Speaker 18>What you know what?

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<v Speaker 1>I just had the most wonderful idea.

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<v Speaker 3>How would you like to bathe me?

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<v Speaker 17>Sure, I think it'd be fun for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Here what happens next is the greatest travesty in the

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<v Speaker 3>history of bath time. It's as if you gave two

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<v Speaker 3>aliens a baby and said, give this a bath, not

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<v Speaker 3>realizing that on the planet therefrom not only are there

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<v Speaker 3>no babies or baths, but actually there's not even water.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you remember about.

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<v Speaker 10>That, Well, some of that was improvised.

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<v Speaker 3>What happens is they just drenched the baby in shampoo

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:51.879
<v Speaker 3>and then they barely wash any of it out. On

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 3>the bath scale, it's two rubber duckies out of ten.

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<v Speaker 3>But the premise of the scene is that Jefferson Jones

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<v Speaker 3>is crushing it.

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<v Speaker 10>It was pretty hilarious, I thought, and also very clumsy,

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<v Speaker 10>and they really grouped up with the kid's hair.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, I don't know, my chapoo, here's.

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<v Speaker 17>Some soap, sweetie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the director thing.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, that is a flat out director fail.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that right, like, retake the scene and there

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<v Speaker 3>probably were.

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<v Speaker 8>Three or four versions of that. That's the one he chose,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, It's not like that was the only one.

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<v Speaker 10>That you're off the shit with that for a bachelor,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, you're sure you don't have a whole stel

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<v Speaker 10>of kids hidden somewhere nursed.

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<v Speaker 16>A couple of bear clubs to their mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Came back.

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<v Speaker 15>Beauty.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like on SNL when the actors break and laugh

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<v Speaker 3>when Elizabeth's like, I'm not sure if we got all

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<v Speaker 3>the soap out and Jefferson's like, well we didn't. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the true reaction and it must be improvised. But then

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<v Speaker 3>they go back to the scripted version where Jones is

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<v Speaker 3>doing a great job. Most of the people on set

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<v Speaker 3>have some kind of moment like.

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<v Speaker 10>This, you know, the forest with the snow and a

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<v Speaker 10>sleigh that comes along, and there's even one shot I

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<v Speaker 10>noticed where you can see the wheels under the sleigh.

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<v Speaker 18>I remember the day I was there, they were filming

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<v Speaker 18>that scene where chaos RUPs, you know, and the tree

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<v Speaker 18>falls down and all that. We had to do that

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<v Speaker 18>scene quite a number of times. It was as chaotic

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<v Speaker 18>as the scene is, but behind the scenes it was

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<v Speaker 18>even more so.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a little like opening a belode factory for cultural

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<v Speaker 12>you know, it's sort of like, what's going on in there?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing good?

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing good, don't ask anything so it was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>hectic on set, and yet I think you can hear

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<v Speaker 3>in people's voices how much they love telling this story.

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Pretty much across the board. This was a happy memory

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<v Speaker 3>for the people I spoke to, not least of all

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<v Speaker 3>because they never lost sight of just how improbable it

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<v Speaker 3>all was.

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<v Speaker 6>And then in the middle of all this is all

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 6>running round going, you know, move the top or overhead,

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 6>I do this over here, let's go do this. No,

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<v Speaker 6>I think it could be ten times funny. I'll come on.

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<v Speaker 6>So there's Arnold's voice, you know, just bellowing out. And

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<v Speaker 6>that was the other thing that I really remember was

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<v Speaker 6>that while this is happening, while we're making this little,

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<v Speaker 6>tiny movie, he is in theaters with Terminator too, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's doing numbers that no one has ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 6>And we were on set when it crossed five hundred

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<v Speaker 6>million dollars. But when you're standing next to the guy

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<v Speaker 6>who's the star of that movie, and his major concern

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<v Speaker 6>is whether or not is it didn't focus forehead.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go the forehead thing. You're not the first person

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<v Speaker 3>to bring that up. Several people mentioned to me that

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<v Speaker 3>Arnold Schwartzenegger's favorite put down was to call someone a forehead.

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<v Speaker 3>This actually made it into the movie. When Elizabeth Blaine

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<v Speaker 3>and Jefferson Jones get pulled over by the cops mid

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<v Speaker 3>sleigh ride, the one where you can see the wheels,

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<v Speaker 3>this happens.

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<v Speaker 4>What's your hands?

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<v Speaker 9>Where I can say them?

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 4>You're both under arrest?

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<v Speaker 14>Oh, come on, come on, you foreheads, get him up?

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<v Speaker 6>You what?

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<v Speaker 3>This is actually a big part of why I love

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 3>this movie. It has a kind of free jazz improvisitory

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 3>quality to it. It's oddly self referential and also very sweet.

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.479
<v Speaker 3>It's like how you can hear in someone's voice when

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<v Speaker 3>they're smiling. That's how this movie feels. Because, even at

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<v Speaker 3>the risk of himself being labeled a forehead who couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>direct the movie, Arnold Schwarzenegger was showing up every day

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<v Speaker 3>and putting in his all for the film, Buffs and

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<v Speaker 3>the crew. It was a dream come true just to

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<v Speaker 3>work with him or with a legend like Tony Curtis.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a trip to oz that I

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 2>knew it was short lived, but it was something I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to know, take in and enjoy them as

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<v Speaker 2>much as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>After twenty days of shooting the film, wrapped. They had

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<v Speaker 3>a party at Arnold Schwartzeninger's restaurant. It was around Christmas time,

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<v Speaker 3>and they all got sweatshirts with the name of the

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<v Speaker 3>film on the front.

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<v Speaker 10>And on the back was a picture of Arnold with

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<v Speaker 10>a Santa hat on, wearing sunglasses and saying something about

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<v Speaker 10>I can't remember the full thingybody used for you forehead.

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<v Speaker 3>Later, Jim was kind enough to send me a photo

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<v Speaker 3>of the sweatshirt. It said on the back more snow

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<v Speaker 3>u forehead. There's my Schwartzeninger impression. With the film in

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<v Speaker 3>the can. Post production and premierees loomed. That's after the break.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we get to the premiere of Arnold Schwarzenegger's nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety two Christmas in Connecticut remake, I want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you about something that happened earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you all for coming, Thank you Mitch for coming

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<v Speaker 1>down from Try Yeah, thanks for having me here.

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<v Speaker 3>Malcolm interviewed Mitch Album live on stage at the ninety

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<v Speaker 3>second Street y Album is the best selling author of

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 3>some ungodly number of books, but he's probably most famous

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<v Speaker 3>for Tuesdays with Maury. He and Malcolm were there to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about his new novel about the Holocaust, The Little Liar.

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<v Speaker 3>They were warming up with some Mitch backstory about his

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<v Speaker 3>time as a musician in New York.

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<v Speaker 17>I tried the whole starving musician thing, and I played

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<v Speaker 17>in all the clubs around here on Monday nights.

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<v Speaker 3>I was backstage at this event peering out. I hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>read Mitch's book. I was up to something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, we should probably do this, befrobab. We get too

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>far afield on the music thing. If you've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>so much, you will note that behind you. Yeah, there

0:30:59.200 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>is a corg.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, the audience of people who had come

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<v Speaker 3>that night to hear the author of Tuesdays with Maury

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 3>discussed the Holocaust noticed the electric piano behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have a request that you play one of

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>your most famous compositions, which you know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about Cooking for Two from the legendary Arnold

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:29.959
<v Speaker 1>Schwarzenegger nineteen ninety two, made for TV movie Christmas in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, can you see the recognition?

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes it was my keyboard, and yes I had planted

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 3>it there.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch, No, no, this. For some reason, I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>My colleague Ben is obsessed with this and really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>us to do this, And I thought, how great would

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<v Speaker 1>it be for you to sing one of our songs,

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<v Speaker 1>just like, just give us a little taste.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, I have to tell you the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us tell a story. Okay.

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<v Speaker 17>So after I got out of the music business, I

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<v Speaker 17>had a college roommate who went into the movie business.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be Stanley m Brooks, executive producer of Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>in Connecticut. Stan and Mitch were roommates at Brandeis.

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<v Speaker 17>And he knew that I was a musician, and he

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<v Speaker 17>was making a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger as a producer,

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<v Speaker 17>and Schwartzenegger was the director of Christmas in Connecticut. The remake.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds about as.

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<v Speaker 17>Good as it was, I think, And they needed as

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<v Speaker 17>a song because she played Diane Cannon played the lead

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<v Speaker 17>and she was a cook on TV or whatever, so

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<v Speaker 17>the song had to be about food. And they wanted

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<v Speaker 17>to use Harry Connick's Recipe for Love or something like that,

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<v Speaker 17>but they couldn't afford it. Yeah, so stan calls me

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<v Speaker 17>and says, we need a song that's kind of upbeat

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<v Speaker 17>about food for Arnold Schwartzenegger's movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you do it? You know.

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<v Speaker 17>I said, well, what do you need it by Thursday?

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<v Speaker 17>You know, it was Tuesday, you know. So I just

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<v Speaker 17>went and wrote a little song. And my wife as

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 17>a singer, a fantastic singer, and I said, honey, can

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 17>you sing this song because we don't have time to

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<v Speaker 17>go find anybody else. And he listened to it and

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 17>he said, I liked a one but the girl. And

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<v Speaker 17>that's how the song was chosen. Yeah, yeah, I want

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 17>you to play it. I really think you should.

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<v Speaker 18>So it went.

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<v Speaker 17>Now, remember it had to be about food. Food, So went,

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<v Speaker 17>let's go to the kitchen. I got something fixing, almantizing,

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 17>and do here's a flue. We're cooking for two. They're

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 17>inside the oven, something warm and loving. Friends would laugh

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:53.560
<v Speaker 17>and they knew that it's true. We're cooking for two.

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<v Speaker 17>Here's the corner on the bridge. I was a soup

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 17>for one girl nombers every night all but once I

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 17>tasted your kisses. I was dining my candlelight. Here's a

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:10.959
<v Speaker 17>recipe for all the world to see.

0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 2>We take some me and some you.

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<v Speaker 16>The it's.

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 17>We're cooking for two. We're cooking for two. That definitely

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.320
<v Speaker 17>ranks amongst one of the most embarrassing things.

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 3>I've ever done. They planned to play it over the

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<v Speaker 3>credits with a Mitch Album closing track in hand. Christmas

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 3>in Connecticut was almost ready to debut. Most made for

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 3>TV movies you just put out on television, but not

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:55.240
<v Speaker 3>this one.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, TV movies don't have screens. If we

0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 2>have a screening, it's like ten people and you know,

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 2>you were in a screening room somewhere like this was

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<v Speaker 2>the big theater at the DGA, which holds I don't know,

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 2>a thousand people, massive screen and there's a huge red

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 2>carpet and a press line.

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 18>We had two theaters going and there were phil When

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:19.799
<v Speaker 18>I tell you.

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<v Speaker 13>That there's never been a television movie before since, they

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 13>had a press line. And he's walking down working the press,

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 13>and like, you know and I know that this person,

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 13>this is Ambrose executive.

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Producer h Arnold.

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<v Speaker 3>According to san Ivan, Wrightman and James Cameron were there,

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<v Speaker 3>along with the whole slew of Hollywood Royalty. The screening

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>was in LA. It was a media sensation.

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<v Speaker 8>Watch out Hollywood. There's a new director in town and

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.280
<v Speaker 8>he's used to making a big impact.

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<v Speaker 2>That is in front of the camera.

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<v Speaker 13>When you act and you see such talent the directors

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<v Speaker 13>as I've worked with, it inspires you.

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<v Speaker 3>Janet Brown, now the screenwriter, was not having such a night.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember sitting at the screening with my agent and

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:05.520
<v Speaker 7>I was like crying.

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was like, oh my god, why were

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 3>you crying?

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:10.959
<v Speaker 8>Is I get so bad?

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:12.560
<v Speaker 9>And my name is on this.

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 8>My agent was very fast to get me a drink

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 8>at that point. I just remember outside there was kind

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 8>of a Christmas theme sort of party, and just like,

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 8>I need to get out of.

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Here, but there was no putting the genie back in

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the bottle. TNT was running promo's NonStop.

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<v Speaker 16>I love romantic comedies, so I made one myself, Christmas

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<v Speaker 16>in Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a romantic comedy with.

0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 3>All the trimmings.

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<v Speaker 6>What in the world could comfortably go wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Christmas in Connecticut? Directed by Arnold Schwarzening, you have a

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 3>problem with that.

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<v Speaker 4>TNT exclusive premiere Monday, April thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you caught that, but the film

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<v Speaker 3>came out in April, one week before Easter. As one

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<v Speaker 3>review put it, quote, don't ask me why a Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>movie is premiering in April. As his then wife Maria

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<v Speaker 3>Shreiver reflected, he just does. He's a big one on.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think about it or talk about it, do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he goes, I think we want to scud

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<v Speaker 2>into it again. That was too much fun. I go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I go see if I can organ. I go no,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to sco in Washington with my friend Jack Lent.

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<v Speaker 2>So now we all fight Washington and uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a who's who of Washington, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>senators and members of tabinet.

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<v Speaker 9>It was a seated dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember my wife and I sit down. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been working the room, so we sit last at our table,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy next to me has got like a

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<v Speaker 2>dress came of form on and I say, hey, Sam Brooks,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the producer, and he goes, hey, Oliver North.

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<v Speaker 3>Oliver North of Iran contra fame. The film was a

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<v Speaker 3>big hit in the Beltway. So if I sit to

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<v Speaker 3>say this made for television Christmas movie had an unusually

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<v Speaker 3>big reception, but it also didn't really do much to

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<v Speaker 3>establish Schwartzenegger as a director. The reviews were mixed.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I'm looking at IMDb right now, it's like the

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<v Speaker 10>rating is four point eight out of ten, and they're

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<v Speaker 10>not far off.

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<v Speaker 2>We nobody had any Oh my god, we're making it's

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful life.

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<v Speaker 3>I realize I've had a lot of fun with this

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<v Speaker 3>movie and gun to my head. Do I think it's good? No?

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<v Speaker 3>But do I love it? Obviously yes, because it's so

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<v Speaker 3>totally weird and overcommitted to its bit that it has

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of joyfulness to it that honestly gets me

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<v Speaker 3>in the Christmas spirit and at its core, like the

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<v Speaker 3>best Christmas films, the story behind the movie is a

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<v Speaker 3>story of love and friendship between Arnold Schwartzenegger and San Brooks,

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<v Speaker 3>two men brought together by a love of making movies.

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<v Speaker 3>After the film, Stan and Arnold stayed in touch. Stan

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<v Speaker 3>even moved into Arnold Schwartzenegger's office building. Their kids played

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<v Speaker 3>football together, and even though they never made another movie together,

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<v Speaker 3>their collaboration had one more act. Almost ten years to

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<v Speaker 3>the day from when Christmas in Connecticut began shooting, Arnold

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<v Speaker 3>Schwarzenegger became the governor of California. At the time, there

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<v Speaker 3>was a lot of hand ringing over an issue called

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<v Speaker 3>runaway production. Lots of states had started offering tax breaks

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<v Speaker 3>to lure films into shooting somewhere other than California. It

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<v Speaker 3>had become a real problem for Hollywood as an industry town,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was one of the crises Schwarzenegger would have

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<v Speaker 3>to face in his new role as governor. Now, the

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<v Speaker 3>way people talked about his becoming governor was the same

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<v Speaker 3>way they talked about his becoming a director, So it

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<v Speaker 3>only makes sense that he wanted Stanbrooks in his administration.

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<v Speaker 15>So when he became governor, he was in about a

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<v Speaker 15>year and he called me and he said, how would

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<v Speaker 15>you like to be on the film Commission? And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 15>that's a dumb idea. He goes why.

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<v Speaker 14>I said, well, because I don't shoot movies in California.

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<v Speaker 15>I said, I'm like the worst person you could put

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<v Speaker 15>on the film commission because I take movies out of state.

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<v Speaker 14>And he goes, oh, that's why we want to because

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<v Speaker 14>we want to try and.

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<v Speaker 3>Pass the taxpayer stan joined the California Film Commission, and

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<v Speaker 3>over the next few years he was a key part

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<v Speaker 3>of the lobbying efforts to pass the tax credits that

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<v Speaker 3>would make it easier to film in California.

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<v Speaker 14>It was a hard fight, and so I ended up

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<v Speaker 14>making a short film a short documentary film where we

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<v Speaker 14>interviewed some of the families that left on why and

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<v Speaker 14>that ended up being more powerful than any speech we

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<v Speaker 14>could make in their office.

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<v Speaker 3>The first tax credits passed in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been renewed ever since. So back to our original question,

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<v Speaker 3>why did Arnold Schwarzenegger direct to this bizarre one off

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Christmas film? I found my answer in the story Stan

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<v Speaker 3>told me.

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<v Speaker 2>He said to me one night we finished around seven

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<v Speaker 2>or eight, and he goes, well you're doing And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going home, and goes he goes, Maria's making dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to come to the house. So oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So we both jump in our cars and we drive

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<v Speaker 2>to visit Kyle's eight. And at that dinner, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>Arnold turn to me. He says, you have a great town.

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<v Speaker 2>I own the stat Why you don't de big feetes?

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, to be honest, I didn't get in

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<v Speaker 2>the business to make big, famous movies. I got in

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<v Speaker 2>the business to make movies. And I get to make

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<v Speaker 2>two or three a year. If I'm the future visits,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky. If I make one every other year every

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<v Speaker 2>three years, I go, I'm happy with my life. He goes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm dastic.

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<v Speaker 3>The story really had honed for me, because I get

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<v Speaker 3>what that's like to just love making something, even a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of improbably dense story about the making of the

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<v Speaker 3>remake of a Christmas movie. It's like Stan said, if

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<v Speaker 3>you love making movies or anything, it's just a gift

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<v Speaker 3>to get to make more, even if they're maybe not

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<v Speaker 3>the best, especially if it's clear how much fun you

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 3>had making whatever it is you're making. So to close,

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<v Speaker 3>let me just share one quote from the very last

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<v Speaker 3>page of Charles Dickens as a Christmas Carol, a passage

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<v Speaker 3>about Scrooge after he's seen the light.

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<v Speaker 14>Quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people laughed to see the alteration in him, but

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<v Speaker 3>he let them laugh, and little heeded them, for he

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<v Speaker 3>was wise enough to know that nothing ever happened on

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<v Speaker 3>this globe for good, at which some people did not

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<v Speaker 3>have their fill of laughter. In the outset, his own

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 3>heart laughed, and that was quite enough for him. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Stan and Arnold didn't make It's a Wonderful Life, but

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<v Speaker 3>it seems to me like their own hearts were laughing.

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<v Speaker 3>So from all of us here at Revision's History, happy holidays,

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<v Speaker 3>your foreheads see you in the New Year. Revisionist History

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<v Speaker 3>is produced by me Ben Nattiaffrey and Lucy Sullivan with

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<v Speaker 3>Nina Bird Lawrence. Our editor is Karen Schakerji. Fact checking

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<v Speaker 3>on this episode by Sam Russick, a resident Schwarzenegger fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Original touring by Luis Gara, mastering by Jake Gorsky. Our

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<v Speaker 3>executive producer is Jacob Smith. Special thanks to Sarah Nis,

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<v Speaker 3>David Arnott, Linda Berman, Iris Grossman, and Scott Sassa. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Mattahaffery.

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<v Speaker 1>Three two one.

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<v Speaker 2>We wish.

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<v Speaker 3>Marry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>We wish you are Mary Chris.

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<v Speaker 3>We wish you are Mary Chris M. Yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we do, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I