1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Golf Live 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com. I am John Schmilchi, 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: is David Deal and so all presented by Coors Light. 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: We want to remind you to download the Cores Light 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Rewards Act an Amazing Giants Prizes throughout the season. You'll 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: be hearing from our sponsors throughout the show, Dave Giants 7 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: and Panthers Panthers two and one coming off the odd 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: week four by in the NFL, you'll get that very often. Um, 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the Giants obviously desperately need a win at one in three, 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: one in four, Uh, you're really swimming upstream. So big 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: game for the Giants. Impact of them having to face 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the team off in early by like this, it is. Uh. 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: You know when you look at the schedule and when 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: you get one sent to you to start the season, 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, when you're that team and you look at 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: a week four by, you're like, I mean, are you 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: kidding me? This early in the season. Too bad? It's 18 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: not halfway through. But unfortunately for the Giants, I mean 19 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: for the Carolina Panthers, the way they're looking at it, 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: it couldn't come at a better time for them. Trey Turner, 21 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: the offensive guard will be back after the concussion protocol 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: from week one and it's two games missed two games 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: with that. Then they were able to bring in Eric 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Read on the defensive side of the ball, get him 25 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: in for over ten days to learn this defense. They 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: were able to make the trade uh take place and 27 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: bring in Marshall Newhouse. Uh. So they were able to 28 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: do things during that bye week that they feel is 29 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: really going to help them down the stretch. And it's 30 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: one more week away. I don't think and I'm pretty 31 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: sure he's pretty much ruled out Greg Olsen this week, 32 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: even though he's been practicing this week, he's out for 33 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: this game. So, you know, for for this Giants football team, 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: they've got to understand and realize the magnitude of h 35 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: the type of environment and the health of where the 36 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers are currently. And by the way, I should 37 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: mention the Giants injury report was released. Olivier Vernon, despite 38 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: practicing Wednesday and Thursday, is close, but he's not there yet. 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: According to the head coach Pat Charmer, uh, he is 40 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: not going to play in this game. Eli Apple looks 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: like he's going to be a go, which is a 42 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: good thing. Cody Latimer looks like he's going to be 43 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: a go also a good thing, and starling shepherd he 44 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: will play as well despite missing a couple of gay 45 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: days of practice this week with that system as back. 46 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: So let's break down this matchup a little bit, Dave, 47 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: I think both these teams are, despite their records being 48 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: almost polar opposites, are are kind of in the same place. 49 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: The Panthers are kind of trying to figure out exactly 50 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: what they are to me, especially defensively, they're known to 51 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: have a good front, yet they struggled stopping to run 52 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. They play a lot of zone 53 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: back there to prevent big plays, but they've been torched 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: and you don't throw three engine yards on them. So 55 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: what do you see when you look at this Panthers 56 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: defense on tap? You know that I think you're you're right, 57 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: And what you're saying is you don't see a consistent 58 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: identity out of the Carolina Panthers defense. One week, they're 59 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: doing unbelievable against run. You're having stops by short inside, 60 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: you're not being able to to run traps because you 61 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: know that they want to penetrate and get up field, 62 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: they play gap disciplined football, and then the following week, 63 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: you know, you'll see times where there's miscommunication, not in 64 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: the same gap, not on the back end, being in 65 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: the same coverage and protecting one another. And that's one 66 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: of the main reasons why this has been a team 67 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: that even though they've been stout, you know, on the 68 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: defensive side, holding up against the run their last in 69 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: the NFL in the red zone. Part of it is 70 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: because they've given up easy plays, and a lot of 71 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: it is because of the mis miscommunication and them defensively 72 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: not being on the same page. So when you look 73 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: at them up front, and when you realize that you're 74 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: going up against a veteran like Luke kick Ley, you 75 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: just have to make sure that everybody alignment, assignment, offensively 76 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: is dialed in because there are plays to be had 77 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: on this defense. It's just about making sure when those 78 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: plays come up that everybody's prepared for him and they're 79 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: ready to make the play. Now, in the secondary, they're 80 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: not gonna ask their corners to play man to know, 81 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: a little bit in the red zone, I've seen them 82 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: play man to man, but otherwise it's a lot of 83 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: cover three there's no press coverage to the line, a 84 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: lot of under over off coverage cover three some quarters. 85 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: So when you a team plays those types of defenses, Dave, 86 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: where are the holes? Where can the Giants attack that? Panther? 87 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Cover three? What you're gonna see most of the time 88 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: on first, second, and third day. You know, one of 89 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the things that you definitely want to get involved is 90 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: you want to definitely get your tight ends involved in 91 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: the passing game, and you want to make sure that 92 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: you get your running ack involved. I understand Luke Kikley 93 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: is great up against run and he is a guy 94 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: who can play the pass, but still when you threaten 95 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: him out of that position, what do you do? You 96 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: open up the middle of the field for crossing routes, 97 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: for quick slants, and you've gotta be able to work 98 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: the scenes up against these guys. And then this is 99 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: a game where I truly feel that Odell Beckham Jr. 100 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: Can have a big impact play that can change the 101 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: momentum of this football game because this is a team 102 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: that when they have those breakdowns, they can get beat 103 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: over the top. Yeah, and we saw Beckham have that 104 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when he did it against 105 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: the Ravens. They play predominantly a Cover three single high 106 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: as well. When he caught those slants, found that gap 107 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: between the two players in the deep zone, and Boom 108 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: went for a touchdown. He's probably not gonna catch that 109 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: big pass over the top in this game, Dave, but 110 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: he could definitely catch that pass in the fifteen to 111 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: twenty yard range in between the linebackers and safety and 112 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: then make some type of move. And that's where you 113 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: bring in the tight ends and the running backs in 114 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: the passing game to clear up those open lanes, to 115 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: make sure that you have a throwing lane, but also 116 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: that you can have more than one option in a 117 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: passing route to his side. Yeah, lately, Um, in terms 118 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: of the holes in the defense, you mentioned the tying 119 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: up the seam, you mentioned the short stuff to the 120 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: running back run after the catch. For the wide receivers, 121 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about crossers. Is that how you'll manage to 122 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: find some space against the Cover three. I think you 123 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: definitely are going to find some crossers, and you have 124 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: to make sure that you run bunch routes and that 125 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: you get some rub routes in there to create some 126 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: some open spacing so that you can get a clear 127 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: person either inside or outside to the sticks. But you know, 128 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: same thing, like I said, is if you're able to 129 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: get some production out of the running game, I think 130 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: that's where you see this team that wants to be aggressive, 131 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: creeping up to the line of scrimmage where you can 132 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: get Eric read Moore dialed in to play down in 133 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: the box to where you can get those shots over 134 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: the top in the play action game. And Eric Reid 135 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: will be their down safety in this game. Mike Adams 136 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 1: is generally their safety over the top looking them on tape, 137 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: and Red is basically going to be almost like another 138 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: linebacker playing in there at times because that you know 139 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: that in this defense and in Ron Rivera's scheme, the 140 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: way that they've always played is we're gonna stop the 141 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: run and try to make you beat us with your 142 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: arm over the top. And you talked about Luke Eickily, 143 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: he's the best defensive player, one of the best linebackers 144 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: in football. They will allowing him to kind of cover 145 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: that tight end seam route, They'll allow him to cover 146 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: the middle of the field in the zone, and he's 147 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: just such a smart player. What's the challenge as an 148 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: offensive player? Have a fur alignment. I think people you know, 149 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: underplay how difficult it could be to get to the 150 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: second levels and offensive lineman to block someone like Keikley. 151 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: How do you do that consistently? I think Number one, 152 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: it's making sure that you're smart with your play calling 153 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: and what you're doing up at the line of scrimmage. 154 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: He's played so much football that he knows and understands, 155 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, offensive line verbiage. When you're talking about double 156 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: teams or combination blocks, or if you're seeing stuff in 157 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: the passing game, those are tips and keys that he'll 158 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: pick up. So he'll hear you'll he'll listen, and he'll 159 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: see him. You'll see him do the you know, the 160 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: pomp or he'll say pass or you know, he'll identify 161 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: things up front. And it's also part of not only that, 162 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: but the way that he studies in his recognition, you know, 163 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: is the way that he preps and breaks down film 164 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: and his i Q. As that linebacker, you know, you 165 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: could see him communicate to the rest of the defense. 166 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: So part of it is that and then just making 167 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: sure that when you get out them that you attack 168 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: and and don't let when you're at the first level. 169 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Don't let the defensive tackle hold you up. That's one 170 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: thing that you know, the Panthers are gonna want these 171 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: linebackers to run. So if you have a double team 172 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: on the back side and you're the guard and you're 173 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: the tackle, you can't let that three technique hold you 174 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: off of getting to the second level. Well, and that 175 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: three techniques pretty good. Okay. The best defensive tackles in 176 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: football Dave and he plays next to their best outside 177 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: pass rusher, Mario Addison on that right side, the right 178 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, right defensive end. You also see Julius Peppers 179 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: in there a little bit spurts. He you know, he 180 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 1: comes in on a pitch count. It's strictly to rush 181 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: the passer, and he still has those moves and he 182 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: still has the ability to, especially at home, to get 183 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: that jump on the count and work the edge. And 184 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: they'll use Addison in short in those types of pass 185 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: rush games you saw from the Jaguars and the Cowboys. Yeah, 186 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're gonna want to pick, they'll stunt. Basically, 187 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: what they want to do is create space and one 188 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: on ones where they feel that they're gonna be able 189 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: to win, especially when they're able to get those spacings 190 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: and get the guard and the tackle off levels. Once 191 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: they do that, that's where you're gonna see the penetration 192 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: and the game's really working down the bottle of the 193 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: pocket of the quarterback. You know, the tackle working getting 194 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: that guard off level with the tackle, and then the 195 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: end looping back inside and getting the pressure where you 196 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: still get the containment with the three technique looping outside 197 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: to make sure the quarterback can't break containment. Toughest matchup 198 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: of Will Hernandez his young career, without a doubt. I mean, 199 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Uh the challenge of up up 200 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: against the Jacksonville Jaguars through opening week was one thing, 201 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: but uh, Short is a unbelievable player inside, plays with leverage, 202 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: with great technique, and he's relentless. He plays every single 203 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: snap with all out effort and he does it for 204 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: four plus quarters. All right, let's get to the offense. 205 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: But first I want remind you folks that Coors Light 206 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Giants game. The radio pregame show will be live at 207 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: Barley Corn at Park Place in Lower Manhattan this week. 208 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: Make sure you come on down. 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It's a great bar, and 218 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: of course you can listen to the game on wf there. 219 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: There's no senior quotes in the year there. I'm just joking. 220 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: A little political joke is pretty too easy. It's too easy. 221 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: You're telling me you didn't do a lot of boofing 222 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: back in the day, and that will be the most 223 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: politics we ever ever speak about it. Yes, absolutely Um 224 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: offense for the Panthers. We've seen some scattering of the 225 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: read option over the course of the season, Taysom Hill, 226 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Blake Bortles, surprisingly nothing from DeShawn Watson Um. 227 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: But the Panthers really use it as the basis of 228 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: everything they do in the run game. Yeah, I mean 229 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: they think about the threat of making a defense play 230 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven football with Cam Newton with the ability 231 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: to break the pocket not only to throw the football, 232 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: but to run it off of the read options. So 233 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: that's definitely something that they've implemented into this offense. And 234 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, when you have that going, it's easy to 235 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: get Christian McCaffrey going, because what are they gonna do. 236 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: They're gonna use his versatility. Obviously he'll run up line 237 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: up at the running back position and running between the tackles, 238 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: but they'll also put him at the slot. They'll put 239 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: them out wide. Then when they want to see if 240 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: you're in your base defense or if you brought in 241 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: a nickel player, they'll motion them back in and bring 242 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: them back into the backfield because they feel that they 243 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: can run it that way up against the smaller defense, 244 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: and then the other way that they try to get 245 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: things going in passing game. You know, this is a 246 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: a football team in an offense, especially North Turner that 247 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: loves working the seams. And one thing that they've done 248 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: with Greg Olsen being out, they've taken DJ more. They're 249 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: they're fast draft pick and they've been working them down 250 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: the seams. They've been working vertical because that's a way 251 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: to not only get him on the field and get production, 252 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: but that's another way that they've been able to get 253 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: production in the running game with McCaffrey's open up things. 254 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah you mentioned that. I mean, I think DJ Moore 255 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: right now for them to I think he's played sixty 256 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: five seven offensive snaps this here or something in that area, 257 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: and they're almost using him right now as a gadget guy. 258 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they don't trust him yet to 259 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: run the route tree because he didn't really do a 260 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: ton of that when he was in college. But they'll 261 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: use them on those end rounds, the jet sweeps. They'll 262 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: they'll include him in that option game with the red 263 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: option game as kind of a third player in the 264 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: reception back end at the part Okay, you want to 265 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: keep your defensive end crashing on the back side. Okay, 266 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna show the jet sweep to that. Okay, 267 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: you don't protect it. Now we're gonna run the jets 268 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: sweep off of it. Now you protected, We're gonna hand 269 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: it off inside because that backside end with the hesitation, 270 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: We'll let you work your double teams. There's a lot 271 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: of a lot that goes to it, and there's a 272 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: reason why that they do that and have all those 273 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: smoking mirrors. Yeah, and you know he had that fifty 274 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: yard to downcatch earlier in the year was about twenty 275 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: yard run. His run after the catches what kind of 276 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: attracted him to teams in the draft process. You just 277 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: get the feeling that much like Calvin Earlee at his 278 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: breakout game in Week two, it kind of sense the 279 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: DJ Moore breakout game is coming, and you just hope 280 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: it's not this week. Number one. He's starting to understand 281 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: and recognize what he needs to do offensively. But also 282 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: I think it's also the quarterback in north Turner, trusting 283 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: him that he's going to be where he needs to 284 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: be in the spot where he needs to be for 285 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: him to be out on the field. Yeah. North Turner 286 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: is very specifical. It is a timing offense, Dave, and 287 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: you have to be snap at ten. If you don't, 288 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: you're not gonna play correct. And it's funny the way 289 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: they run their offense. And we'll get to Christian McCaffrey 290 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: in a second, but they like to run those wide 291 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: receivers and tight ends either down the field vertically or 292 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: in those you know, deep in deep outground, push that 293 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: zone back and then they'll dump it to McCaffrey and 294 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: to try to get him one on one with lineback exactly. 295 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: So that's why it's it's a parative that this Giant's 296 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: defense communicates in in the alignment, assignment and swarming to 297 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: the football, because the catalyst for everything, you know, you 298 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: want to say Cam Newton, but they're they're big play 299 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: home run hinter that gets the momentum changing is Christian McCaffrey. 300 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: This season, no question, um twenty one catches. Remember it's 301 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: just in three games that seven catches a game, almost 302 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: six yards per carry five point nine, which is a 303 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: ridiculous number. Last year they kind of use him as 304 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: a receiver, but this year they're really not lyning him 305 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: about why much. He's in the backfield most of the 306 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: time and they are using him like a traditional running back. 307 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: And he's quick, he gets to the whole, he's got 308 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: breakaway speed, he's elusive, and I haven't see him throw 309 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: a guy down with a stiff arm on tape the 310 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: other day, so he can do it. He's a good, 311 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: good football player, and and the way that they're running 312 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: some of the things off of the read option. The 313 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers offense are leading the NFL in three yards 314 00:13:55,200 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: per rush before getting contact. Tyck of a numb right 315 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: it how well, and going into the offensive line, David, 316 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: we actually talked about this with Jordan rod Reeg from 317 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: the Charlotte Observer. Should be joining us at two, and 318 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: we talked to her about this in the summer. We 319 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: had her on previewing this matchup when we kind of 320 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: do our you know, team previews over the course of 321 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: the summer when there's nothing else going on in July 322 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: and we're bored, stiff, gotta gotta get it down, Yeah, 323 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: you have to. And you know, the big worry for 324 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: the Panthers this year was the player of their offensive line. 325 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: And you mentioned a little bit earlier with Trey Turner. 326 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: But they lost Darry Williams the starting right tackle, they 327 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: lost Matt Khalil, they're starting left tackle, and they haven't 328 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: missed much of a beat for the most part. Cam 329 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: Newton has been protected. He has only been sacked six times, 330 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: and it's only he doesn't hold the ball. He's not 331 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: doing a lot of kick game stuff, so they protected 332 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: for him and like you mentioned, three yards before contact 333 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: in the run game. I mean, that's really really good. 334 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: That it's unbelievable, and and a big byproduct of finding 335 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: the way to be able to do that is, you know, 336 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: Cam Newton being able to be dialed into this offense, 337 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: a north turner, finding ways to settle in this offensive 338 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: line and relieve them and get them in a game 339 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: where they can be aggressive. And what better way to 340 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: do that by running the football, no question about it? 341 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: All right, Dave, Let's get a couple of calls in 342 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: before we get to Jordan Rodriguet too. On five on three, 343 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: I want to remind you that Big Book a Golf 344 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: Live is presented by Corps Light Download the cores Light 345 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: rewards apt to an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season. 346 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott new Mexico. He'll leave us off. 347 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Hey Scotty, Hey guys, how are you doing? What's up? 348 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to discuss the Giants defense versus the Panther's offense, 349 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: and I realized it's a three game window versus a 350 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: four game window. Yeah, but the Giants defense right now 351 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: is despite the blowout in New Orleans is only giving 352 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: up twenty three point eight points so far. If you 353 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: look at the Panthers office, despite the great play of 354 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Newton and h McCaffrey, they're only scoring twenty three point 355 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: seven points. So they don't have to be a rocket 356 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: scientist to recognize that that's sort of a they sort 357 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: of zero each other out realizing it's a it's a 358 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: one game differential. If you flip it to the other side, 359 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: the Giants are scoring eighteen point two points and the 360 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: Paths are only giving up about twenty and a half points. 361 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: So that's so the Giants. Obviously, the whole called arms 362 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: this week has been basically let's rush more. But the 363 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: statistic that's really surprising is that the Giants rank in 364 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: rushing attempts, and this is from the beginning of the season. 365 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: So my question really is if the Giants need to 366 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: rush more, they should have been doing it from the 367 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: very first game, and if they're going to change it now, 368 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: they have to change the I would think the run 369 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: blockett assignment as day I don't think. I just want 370 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the balance for a second, and then 371 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: you can ask Dave of the run blocking question. I 372 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: think the game were much more balanced the first few weeks, 373 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: but going down against Jacksonville and Dallas and having to 374 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: throw in the second half, that's skew things the other 375 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: way a little bit. Up until this Saints game, At 376 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: least my opinion, I think they've been fairly bounced anyway. 377 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: That now you can ask your question to day. Okay, Dave, 378 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: My question is if the Giants are, say twenty eight 379 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: in the league rushing, there must be a reason why 380 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: they're not getting some production. So I'm wondering, is there 381 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: a way to change the ruined blocking schemes of the 382 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: offensive lineman that will create more holes for the Giants 383 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: to actually run through? Well, I mean, there definitely are 384 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: ways to help out with the Giant schemes obviously, you 385 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: know number one, You know, when you have bootlegs and 386 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: nakeds and you have opportunities to get play action going 387 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: off of it, you have to run the ball in 388 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: order for those two things to work. So I think 389 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: scheme wise, when you're running zones, when you're running certain 390 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: offense of schemes that right now the Giants are running 391 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: under Pat Shermer system. As an offensive line, you love 392 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: it because you're working more double teams than you are anything, 393 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: and you're making sure that you're sealing off things and 394 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: forcing a backside defensive end to contain and force that 395 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: he is able to hold up and make sure that 396 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't recognize or eat something coming off of the 397 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: back side. I think one of the things that they 398 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: definitely could have done has gotten more touches to Sae 399 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 1: Juan Barkley in the Saints game. I think everybody can 400 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: agree with that. But I think one of the things 401 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: that they're definitely gonna have to do versus this Carolina 402 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: team is they're definitely gonna have to give production in 403 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: the run game and use shortened passing game to say 404 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley is an extension of the run because if 405 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: you can get him in space and create those opportunities, 406 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna dictate where they're gonna put safeties in this 407 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: football game, not only to help the linebackers, but that's 408 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: going to open up things for Sterling Shepherd and for 409 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. Two. Okay, just one last question. McCaffrey 410 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: is basically their whole offense in regards to any other 411 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: player other than Kim Newton, I think he has forty 412 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: six touches already in the rushing and he has twenty 413 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: two receptions, which out distances uh who everyone closest to him. 414 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: Right now, there's going to be a comparison really that 415 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: Barkley might be a bigger version of McCaffrey. And as 416 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, they use McCaffrey not only has a run, 417 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: but as a wide receiver in the slot, et cetera. 418 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Can the Giants really duplicate the same thing with Barkley 419 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: for this particular game, And I'll take your appreciate it. Well, 420 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean they, I mean they are very similar. And 421 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: one of the knocks about Christian McCaffrey was coming out 422 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: of college, oh he's not big enough to run in 423 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: between the tackles. To prove that wrong, I think that 424 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about something that you love out of running backs, versatility, 425 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: the fact that you can utilize them, move them all 426 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: over the field, and and try to create one on 427 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: one matchups that are favorable up against linebackers and safeties. Absolutely, 428 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: those are things that you're always trying to do offensively 429 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: and as an offensive coordinator to try creating those things 430 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: to not only help your offense but to help out 431 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: other players in positions. Yeah, and the only difference to me, 432 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: David why it's hard to repeat And you mentioned this 433 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: in your previous point, the threat of Newton running makes 434 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: things easier on mccalf If you go back the reason 435 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris had those couple of years, he's running for 436 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: fourteen yards. I think he's not a good back. R 437 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: he's not the best back in the league. It's because 438 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: people worry about RG three hold the goal and running. 439 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: So not again. I love Christian McCaffrey. If you listen 440 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: to the draft shows we did last year, you know 441 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: how much I think he's gonna be a great player 442 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: in this league. But he gets helped out a lot 443 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: by Cam Newton. So that's why I don't think you 444 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: can duplicate the Rams game plan, because Eli can't do 445 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: the things Cam can with the ball in his hand 446 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: running the ball obviously, but you certainly can rely on 447 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: the run. And I think Barkley probably can't take more 448 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: of a pounding than McCaffrey. Canny there's way twenty five 449 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: more pounds heavier than he does, so but you could 450 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: utilize their versatility of your question, and that's what they've 451 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: been doing with them four or five, one, three, of 452 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: course not my computer frozen. I got to unlock it 453 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: to get to the call sheet here, and let's go 454 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: to who's up next? Brandon Christian in New York. Thank you, Hey, guys. Well, 455 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk about how the Giants need 456 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: to run more, so I guess I guess I should 457 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: kind of skip that point, but I do want to 458 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: point out that I think Barkley is starting to run 459 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: more decisively and agree more violently. I'm really really happy 460 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: about that. Christian, You're a hundred percent right, and both 461 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: Dave and I and and me on because I was 462 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: on the show more in the off season than he was. 463 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: I was very concerned with his dancing and his cut 464 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: bats and trying to make big plays outside. The last 465 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: few weeks, he's done a really good job just taken 466 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: first of all, it's about two yards of space, and 467 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: he's turned it into three or four by falling forwards, 468 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: something he didn't do a lot of in college. I 469 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: think he's been done a real good job of taking 470 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: those small runs and not trying to make everything into 471 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: a big play, no question, and you've seen him being patient, 472 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: letting blocks develop and getting every single ounce in every 473 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: yard that he can get. And I think it also 474 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: comes back to when you look at that first came 475 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: up against Jacksonville, when he's like, I can't jump, I 476 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: need to go in there and I need to get 477 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: that first down. And I think from that point on, 478 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: you've really seen a more determined, more physical runner that's 479 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: going to protect the football but also not going to 480 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: try to lose yards by trying to do too much. Right. Yeah, 481 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: I was worried about that too with him come out 482 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: of college. But as far as the Giants continuing to 483 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: struggle with that Cover two zone, do you think it's 484 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: just a matter of not having the time of the 485 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: time to throw deeper down the field or do you 486 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: think Shermer could do more things to scheme around it. Well, 487 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: of course, And I want to dispel something and I 488 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: put this on Twitter earlier in the week. It's not 489 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: the cover to zone that's killing them. Last week they 490 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: saw just as much Cover three as they saw Cover two. 491 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: So this is not the too safety deep stuff that 492 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: we saw kill the Giants the last two years under 493 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: Ben Mack. The Cowboys play Cover three a lot more 494 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: than you do Cover two. The Jaguars played Cover three 495 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: a lot more than they do cover too. Uh. The 496 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,239 Speaker 1: Texans played a lot of man in Week three one, 497 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: which different than what they've done even before that. And 498 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: you wonder why the Giants had success they cover the 499 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: Giants receivers man on man. That's not gonna work. So 500 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: it's not really the Cover two Christian, it's the Cover 501 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: three and Dave, I think his questions still kind of applies, though, 502 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Why do you think they've had trouble against some of 503 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: these zones ones that want to try to prevent a 504 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: big play down the field. Well, I think part of 505 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: it is is the timing. Yeah, I think part of 506 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: it is his lack of protection and Eli Manning having 507 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: a two point five three release time of throwing the football, 508 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: which is the second fastest in the NFL. You think 509 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: that's in his head though, even when the pressure is 510 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: not there. I mean there's a part of it, yes, 511 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: where I do think it's in his head. But also 512 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: I think a byproduct of of what has been happening 513 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: in the passing game is there have been drops there 514 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: have we talked about the first two games where you're 515 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: trying to play catchup and from behind and where I 516 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: I truly which will sit here and say which that 517 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: first half of the Houston Texans game was the exact 518 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: type of offense that we know that this Giant's team 519 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: is capable of running it out of shotgun, getting the 520 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: touches and being diverse, but making sure that you stay 521 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: balanced five and five if it's a running pass option, 522 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: making sure that you're creating one on ones for your receivers, 523 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: and letting your offensive line gets settled in. I mean, 524 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: those are the things that will definitely help this offense 525 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: create more plays and more spacing in the passing game. Yeah, 526 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: I agree, And um, I think this is going to 527 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: be a weekend where they really try to feature s 528 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: Klon in the run game. And even when they have 529 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: Goldman in there, I'd like to see Klon maybe line 530 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: up in the slot or still be on the field 531 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: in some way when Goalman is out there, because he's 532 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: just so good. Yeah, you gotta make sure you get 533 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: him on a linebacker, because if you get sa Quand 534 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: on a corner, it kind of eliminates the whole advantage 535 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: of having him out there. That's what happened on that 536 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: one passed into the end zone last week, he was 537 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: lined up on a cornerback and all of a sudden, 538 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: se Juan, he can't beat a quarterback. Well, he can, 539 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: but that's not the advantage that you're looking to get. 540 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: It's not a mismatch. You want to get him in 541 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: the linebacker like he did against Houston and Christian thanks 542 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: for the call when he was one on was Zach 543 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Cunningham on that exactly? That's where you're trying to predetermine 544 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: what the defense is gonna do. Okay, you want to 545 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: bring in a big guy, We're gonna put him in 546 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: the backfield. Will motion mouth create the one I went 547 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: up against the linebacker? Okay, let's put him in the slot. 548 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: You want to bring in a small guy the next time, 549 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: Let's move him into the backfield and then try to 550 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: run the football. And thats why I wouldn't mind going empty. No, 551 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: I wouldn't either go empty. You started in the backfield, 552 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: then you motion them out and that's bingo and that's 553 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: and that's how you get that one on one you're 554 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: looking for. What if Jordan rod Reef from the short 555 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: Sharlotte Observer in just a second, I want to remind 556 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: you to come out on Sunday morning at eleven thirty 557 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: for Corpse Like Giants game. They have Barley, horn Craft 558 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: Bar and Grill down at twenty three Park Place in 559 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: Lower Manhattan. Come out, say hi. Lance Meadow, former Giants 560 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: offensive lineman Roman Oben will be there. Uh. The first 561 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: twenty people in the bar will receive a Giant's yearbook 562 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: for free. You come down, say hi, stick around hanging 563 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: out at the bar. It's a great bar. Watch some games. 564 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: Hang out, have a good time. Of course, listen to 565 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: the game too on w F and again barleycorn Craft, 566 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: Bar and Grill, twenty three Park Place in Lower Manhattan 567 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: on Sunday, October seven, eleven thirty. UM, we're gonna do Jordan, 568 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: I think in a minute here, So I'm gonna hold 569 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: off on the next two callers. I see you guys 570 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: up there, James and Virginia and Christopher in North Carolina. 571 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: Hold on. We're gonna have Jordan for about ten minutes 572 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: that I'll make sure I get to you guys right 573 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: after the interviews. All for okay, so Hank tight, I'll 574 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: make sure I get to you. But for now, I 575 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: want to join Jordan Rodriguez. Jordan Rodrigue excuse me from 576 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: the short observer. We had Jordan over the summer. She 577 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: had a great job previewing the Panthers. Now we're in 578 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: the meat of the season, we'll see, all right. We 579 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: were when we discussed things with our back in July. Jordan, 580 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: you've got John Schmilk and David Deal here in these Weatherford, 581 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Thanks for taking the time during the season. 582 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: How are you today. I'm doing great, guys. It's good 583 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: to hear from you guys again. Absolutely, Jordan. It's funny 584 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: when we spoke in the summer, the big kind of 585 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: bulls eye we had on the Panthers and and the 586 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: questions we had were focused on the offensive line, and 587 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: after Week one it looked kind of dire. You lost 588 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: the right tackle, lost the left tackle, Trade Turner the concussion. 589 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: But at least I'm watching the tape from my perspective, 590 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: the offensive lineman's held up pretty well this year for them, haven't, 591 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: hasn't it. Yeah. They've actually kind of been one of 592 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: the more underrated position groups I think in the National 593 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Football League so far this year, especially considering the circumstances 594 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: they went there. And if you guys, let me take 595 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: you back a second here. The Panthers actually started coming 596 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: up with somewhat of a contingency plan for worst case 597 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: with these different worst case scenarios back in two thousand 598 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: and sixteen because they're starting center and their backup center 599 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: UM and their right guard all had all were injured 600 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: UM within two weeks of each other. So at the 601 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: time Runnervera called that a position catastrophe. He's not wrong 602 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: about that. They literally the guy out of his dad, 603 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: Baseman Tyler Larson, to come play center for them, and 604 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: it was against the Seahawks, and they got roasted, of course, 605 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: and so but now it's interesting because a guy like 606 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: Tyler m being in their system for a couple of years, 607 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: and then a couple of the pieces that they started 608 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: scouting UM in that time as guys they could maybe 609 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: call upon in case of an emergency such as the 610 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: one they faced this year with the starting left and 611 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: right tackles un injured reserve UM Tyler Larson. Actually now 612 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: then the last couple of weeks has started to them 613 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: at right guard. The trade center and the confession protocol. 614 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: So they have Chris Park who was signed until the 615 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: play left tackle UM the Wednesday before Karen Mina's week 616 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: God believe it was week two. No, yeah, it was 617 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: week two. And then Taylor Mowton flipped from the left 618 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: side where he was playing for Matt Khalil who's on 619 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: injured reserve, switched back over to right tackle. Then they 620 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: have a current third string center, Greg Van Roten starting 621 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: at left guard. Not a hell of a job actually, 622 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: And then they have veteran Then they have veteran Ryan Khalil, 623 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: who had who had all but fallen apart the last 624 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: two years physically. Now he's back. He's like the anchor again, 625 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: which is just stunning to me in his last year. 626 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: And and then they had Tyler Larson playing right Tyler Warson, 627 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: the kid who in two thousands and sixteen they literally 628 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: signed him out of his dad's basement. Um, it's just 629 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: incredible to me. And they're playing really well. I mean 630 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: they graded the road for Christian McCaffrey's hunter a four 631 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: yard game. Um. Cam has not taken very many sacks 632 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: this season. Um, it's just it's kind of been incredible 633 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: to watch. And I said the thing that that when 634 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: you look at and you get the schedule before the season, 635 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: you know when you initially see a Week four buyer, 636 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, man, I wish that this would have 637 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: been longer, but unfortunately for the Giants. Unfortunately for your 638 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. I mean, it really couldn't have come at 639 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: a better time. I mean, figure the fact that as 640 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: of yesterday, when you look at your injury reporting, Greg 641 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: Olsen is the only one that's not practicing. That's a 642 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: bright spot for your Carolina Panthers team right now. Yeah. 643 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: And it's super rare too, because this team has had 644 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: some really bad luck over the last few years with injuries. 645 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean, every team gets them, obviously, but it seems 646 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: like the Panthers get them in bunches. And so the 647 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: fact that they got all of their that sounds maybe 648 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: a little harsh. In fact, they got all of their 649 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: probably expected injuries um out of the way in a 650 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: in a in a group at the beginning of the 651 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: season has really allowed them to kind of find that 652 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: cohesiveness on this offensive line and in different various positions 653 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: where there have been guys who have had to plug in. 654 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: How about d J. Moore Jordan Is I feel like 655 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word underutilized these playing 656 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: I think about sixty five or so offensive snaps looking 657 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: at the numbers, but it seems like they've kind of 658 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: used them as a bit of almost like a gadget guy. 659 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: Early on, some jet sweeps get him in space. He 660 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: had that one big played down the field. Do you 661 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: sense that he's getting ready to take on a bit 662 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: of a bigger role and kind of have that breakout 663 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: performance like Calvin Ridley had a couple of weeks ago 664 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: for the Falcons. I think they're kind of treating him 665 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: the same way that they did when Steve Smith Sr. 666 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Came into the organization. You know, Steve Smith his rookie 667 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: or played a ton of special teams, and when he 668 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: was on the field offensively, he was doing the things 669 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: that d J. Moore is doing. He's doing kind of 670 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: like running the routes that clogged up the middle of 671 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: the field and kind of spring other guys loose. He's 672 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be blocking physically. Um, just kind of 673 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: these bread and butter things that I think an old 674 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: school coach like run Rivera really wants to instill in 675 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: his guy. So I don't know that it's that the 676 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: talent isn't there. I think he's a really talented player, 677 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: and I know that, um, you know, he will get 678 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity in terms of of maybe being under utilized. 679 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the reaction from the fan base right now, 680 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: because if you draft a guy in the first round, 681 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw the same thing happened with Shack 682 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: Thompson when they when they drafted him, Um and I 683 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 1: around that same time, around that same pick point. They 684 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: wanted to see him on the field right away. And 685 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: it is thetly contribute. But realistically, in Carolina's system, UM, 686 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of up steps some of 687 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: these young guys have to go through. And it's kind 688 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: of because they're first of all, there's so many veterans 689 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: in the locker room, and and then the head coaches 690 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: who he is. I mean, he's an old school guy 691 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: who believes that there's a process and there's steps that 692 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: guys have to take before they kind of have earned 693 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: that contribution. And I think the way that they see it, 694 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: as long as they're winning, um, they're not feeling like 695 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: they need to rush him into anything too soon. And 696 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: obviously there there's a lot of attention drawn by the 697 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: signing of Derrick Read and you hear right away from 698 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: the locker room and the players, how much he means 699 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: and how much he's going to mean to that defense. 700 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: The fact that right away he was listed as the 701 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: starter and is going to be starting on this game 702 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday just goes to show you that impact. What 703 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: have you seen or heard so far and on what 704 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: they feel he's truly going to bring to this defense. Well, 705 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: everybody in that locker room thinks they just got the 706 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: steal of the century. Honestly, they think that UM bringing 707 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: him in at this time, and obviously you don't want 708 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: to see guys get injured, of course, but with the 709 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: Nori Searcy having his second concussion in five weeks, of 710 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: course that necessitated injured reserve. UM. But you know, all 711 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: the guys in the locker room, they really, they really 712 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: think they've gotten the steel of the century and they 713 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: really like him as a player and as a person. UM. 714 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: They really have been excited in speaking with him in 715 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: the film room just how quickly he's adjusted and picked 716 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: up everything. And you know that's kind of known around 717 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: the league is his how smart of a player he 718 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: has helped with the block test, how fast he is 719 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: for his size, UM, and it's interesting because he fits 720 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: so perfectly into Caroline the system. They do so many 721 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: different things that their safeties, UM, even playing them as 722 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: hybrids at times. And Eric Read is perfect for that. 723 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: He's built perfectly for that. He has a football like 724 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: you for that. And UM, it's especially important now because 725 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: the Panthers are are missing linebacker Thomas Davis, who's like 726 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: the heart and soul back there. Um. You know, they're 727 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: missing him for another game this Sunday before they get 728 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: him back. So having a guy that can fill in 729 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: kind of some of the gaps, that physicality, that speed, 730 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: UM getting pushing guy's sideline to sideline and making sure 731 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: they can they can cover and also help stop the run. UM. 732 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: Eric Read can do that as a safety and and 733 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: I honestly expect we'll see him in a little bit 734 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: of a hybrid role as well this Sunday. What's your 735 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: take on the pass rush so far this year? Jordan 736 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: would Drain by joining Rodrigue from the Shaw observer, Mario 737 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: Addison and Kawan Short have gotten pretty consistent pressure haven't 738 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: seen much from the rest of the line. UM. What 739 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: do you think the coaches think of the pass rush 740 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: so far? And how do they think they are going 741 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: to try to attack the Shiant's offensive line this week. 742 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: I think that they have have kind of thought that 743 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: it's a little inconsistent in terms of the play of 744 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: the defensive ends and getting some of these big plays 745 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: to pop um. In terms of the defensive line itself. Obviously, 746 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: this this team came out and held Ezekiel Elliott to 747 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: sixty nine rushing yards. Within the next week gave up 748 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: their first one yard rusher in one games. So that 749 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: inconsistency in terms of um just across the entire line, 750 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: not only in the past rush but also in defending 751 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: the red um. I think they'd like to see more 752 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: of that. And you guys, I'm not gonna lie and 753 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: no offense here, but I think they're kind of chopping 754 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: at the bit looking at some of these offensive lines 755 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: stats um over and over in New York. Yeah, and 756 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: Lill Jordan's I understand you. You watched that second half 757 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: of the game against against the Texans when j J 758 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: watted three sacks. You watched the Cowboy and Jaguar games 759 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: and Dave the former offensive on and can speak to 760 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: it better than I can. The offensive lineman has struggled, 761 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: especially picking up some of these stunts in twists. And 762 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: that's why it's going to be imperative that they are 763 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: productive and don't have negative plays on first and second 764 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: town because that feeds into exactly the way that your 765 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: defense wants to play at home. How about keithly Jordan's 766 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: um how does he supplement what they want to do 767 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: in terms of the cover three zone they run a 768 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: lot of the time and stopping the run. Yeah, you know, 769 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: he's been kind of he's been stellar as usual. You 770 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: know that, Like I said, that game that where they 771 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: gave up the hundred yard rusher and week two that 772 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: to them felt a little bit of an anomaly in 773 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: terms of you know, you saw Keikly make a couple 774 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: of really rare misses in his run fits and a 775 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: couple of misses in the in his tackling, which is 776 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: super rare. Um. But a lot of that was kind 777 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: of them getting used to communication. There's a new face 778 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: in every tier of that defense, um And and it 779 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: was one of those things where you know, he he 780 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: makes sure that the rest of this defense understands the 781 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: standard that they are held by. And and if he 782 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: doesn't run, reverish your will. Um. So one of those 783 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: things where he still looks as fast and athletic as usual. Um, 784 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: they're still doing a lot of the same things. Um, 785 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: that they've done with him for the last few years. 786 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: But Eric Washington, the defensive coordinators actually liked to show 787 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: offense as a few more a few different looks than 788 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: that maybe past coordinators have. You know, we know Steve 789 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: Woks really was super blitz happy. Um. But Eric Washington 790 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: likes to kind of change it up a lot more 791 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: as a defensive lines coach. Defensive line coach, he really 792 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: wants that front seven to show a lot of different 793 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: looks to an offense throughout the course of the game. 794 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Yeah, well, we haven't asked you about Cam Newton. 795 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,959 Speaker 1: I think we have to do that. Um, he hasn't 796 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 1: been he hasn't been asked to throw the ball a lot. Um. 797 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: You know, he hasn't had to. The running game has 798 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: been so good. Uh, he's the only he's averaging I 799 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: think under two yards per game if I'm not mistaken 800 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: or close to it. Um, how is he kind of 801 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: fit into what norv turners trying to do. You see 802 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: on tape they throw a lot of version They've had 803 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: a lot of vertical routes, but he's been more than happy. 804 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: He just go throw check down to McCaffrey and he 805 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: runs for eight nine yards and it's been pretty effective. 806 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: How is Cam kind of fit in to what nerve 807 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: north Turners tried to do with this offense. Yeah, well, 808 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, with all due respect, he did grow for 809 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: a career high forty five attempts and we took I 810 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: think that north Turner is really versatile and and kind 811 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: of what he what he gets from Cam. And and 812 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: that's the thing that um, we didn't see a lot 813 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: of the last couple of years in Carolina. It was 814 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: kind of like a pretty predictable game plan, I would say, Um, 815 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: the last couple of years in Carolina. And so with 816 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: nor what he likes to do is he likes to 817 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: build tape in one direction and then throws something completely 818 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: different out out of defense the next week. And that's 819 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: just years and years and years of experience he has 820 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: under his belt, knowing pretty much every defensive coordinator in 821 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: the league at this point in their tendencies. Um, north Turner, 822 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: you can tell has just really really enjoyed using Cam 823 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Newton Um in kind of the best way that will 824 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: maximize his team's chance to win and also kind of 825 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: maximizes how productive and efficient Cam Newton can be with 826 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: this offense. I mean, they're running him when the look 827 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: calls to run Um, they're handing it off to Christian 828 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: McCaffrey when the look calls to hand it off and 829 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: Cam Newton is still it's throwing a lot of those 830 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: checkdown passes, those those quick getting the ball out quickly, 831 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: and that a lot of that also, I will say 832 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: is it was to alleviate some pressure on the offense 833 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: of line Um. What he has not been doing a 834 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: lot of is those deep ball You know, you kind 835 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: of are used to seeing that from Cam Newton for 836 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: the last you know, seven years or so. There's a 837 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: couple of those deep balls get on court every every 838 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: game or so. But he's only had five attempts of 839 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: over twenty yards this year and he has not completed one. 840 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: So it's one of those things where you have to 841 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: think that that's still a facet of their game. They're 842 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: they're working out and really very much want to get 843 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: the kinks worked out of that um. But in terms 844 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: of the checkdowns um, in terms of him as a runner, 845 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: I think He's been used really, really efficiently, and you 846 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: can tell he's having a blast with north Turner. Jordan's 847 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: great stuff. We appreciate the time, and we'll see you 848 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,839 Speaker 1: down in Charlotte in a couple of days. Thanks guys, 849 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing you. Thanks Jordan. That's Jordan Rodrigue 850 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: for the Charlotte Observer. Always did a good job, helped 851 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: us the summer, helping us now and good information there, 852 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: especially on the offensive line and kind of how they, 853 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: based on past experiences, prepared their developmental line a little 854 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: bit to where they are today. It's it, it is. 855 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: It's an unbelievable thing that the way that they've been 856 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: able to piece everything together and for it to fall 857 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: in place and work out. Uh, it's it says a 858 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: lot about them, but it also says a lot about 859 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: how north Turner has been able to dial up and 860 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: direct this offense in ways to allow them to do 861 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: their job and be capable of it. Yeah, and and 862 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: she mentioned I had this stat in my in my notes. 863 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: I think cam Noton is a thirty eight quarterback rating 864 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: this year on passes at our yards in the air. 865 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: I didn't realize there was only five attempts that number 866 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: I didn't have. That's a really good number, which is 867 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: odd because if you look at the route concepts, Dave, 868 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: they always had that deep shot. There were plenty of opportunities, 869 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: whether it's a deep shot or even just a deep 870 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: outcut or in cut, they were opportunities down the field. 871 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: But he just hasn't had to take him because, quite frankly, 872 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just pass it to McCaffrey and let 873 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: him run for seven or eight yards on a checkdown 874 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: every time? I just figured that he would have more 875 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: attempts trying to stretch the field with t J Moore 876 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: and Tori Smith the other guy, right, yeah, Yeah, he's 877 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: such a good guy, absolutely, and they just haven't done it. 878 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: His functious is kind of your you know, middle of 879 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: the field possession guy. Worry Smith is in the league 880 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: because he is that deep guy that reason alone. Absolutely, 881 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: all right, I promise you guys, I get to it. 882 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: So let's get to it. James in Virginia is up 883 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: next on Big Blue Kick Off Lie presented by Corps 884 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: Light download the Coors Light Rewards. After an amazing Giants 885 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 1: prizes throughout the season. James, what's up, Hey? How you 886 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: doing I had a quick question, I mean, waiting for 887 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: Mr Deal to come on and ask this question. My 888 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: question is this, Mr del is um sish you played 889 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: offensive line and the issues that the offensive line is having. 890 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: Could it possibly be the coaches that's that's not doing 891 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: their part and it's not the players, that's um a 892 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: question that I had because the reason why I asked 893 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: that question because it looks like some of the players 894 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: that was on the team last year that we were 895 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: saying how bad offensive line was last year, and they're 896 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: starting and look like they're doing okay um this year. 897 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: So I was wondering if it couldn't be the offensive coach, 898 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: did you have a James who though there aren't many 899 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: guys left from I mean, the only one that you 900 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: could really say is Flowers and Wheeler. That would be 901 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: the only two that you could say that. Neither guy 902 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: looks much different to me. And and so I obviously 903 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: you know when when you're getting hammered, it's gonna come 904 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: down everything. Oh well, it's it's miscommunication, simon technique. Is 905 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: it the coach? You're gonna question everything about it. But 906 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 1: the matter of the fact is they've just got to 907 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: play better. They've got to fit better together. They've got 908 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: to communicate better, uh to one another. They've got to 909 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: get used to which way they're going to use their footwork, 910 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: because if you look and you look at this game 911 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,240 Speaker 1: up against the Saints, you know they had a slide 912 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: protection to the left where Greco's posting the nose and 913 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: oh Mamma needs to come on and take the nose. 914 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: They blitz the middle linebacker down the middle. It's not 915 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: that Greco didn't know who he was going at. Oh 916 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 1: Momy tripped him. He fell down and they gave up 917 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: a sack on that play. Part of it's just making 918 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: sure that you're on part and that you communicate and 919 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: hammer out any type of footwork deal that you need 920 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: to so you don't have plays like that that look 921 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: absolutely terrible on film because they are okay. So that 922 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: that was the question that I had. I'm I'll let 923 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: you guys go and I'm just, uh, you know, watch 924 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: and see what happens this way. That was just the 925 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: question that I had. I would say, appreciate the players, 926 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: but I would just say, what what could it possibly be? 927 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: The coach is not doing not you know, they're not 928 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: getting it from the coaches. But okay, good call, James. 929 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, man, Thank you. Remember this too. 930 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: This is now three offensive line coaches in four years, right, 931 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: so different players too, so I wouldn't get I know, 932 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,479 Speaker 1: it's always easy to blame the coaches because to fix 933 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 1: the coaching problem you gotta change one guy and that 934 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: that doesn't have a contract and all these other problems 935 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: that come with the change personnel. That's hard. And it's 936 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: like that all sports. It's always easy to blame the coach. Yeah, 937 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: of course, it's easy to do that. And then it's 938 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: just like I said, it escalates from one thing to 939 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: the next to the next, and what it comes down 940 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: to just playing better football. That's I mean, that's it. 941 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: And eventually you're gonna have to block the guy in 942 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: front of you and you have to do your job 943 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: to five on three Christopher, North Carolina. He's up next day, Chris. 944 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: He how are you doing? What's up? Chris? All right, listen, 945 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: I've got a point to make, and I think everybody's missing. 946 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm a first time caller and a long time listener. 947 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: I've been a Giants fan for a long time, with 948 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: us since I lived back, since I lived in Connecticut 949 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: and I followed Eli Manning about as cool see as 950 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: anybody has. And I can see with him what I 951 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: see what's happening with Eli, And I think, Dave, I 952 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: listened to your here's the deal, Well, here's what I think. 953 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: I believe that Eli is not in his comfort zone. 954 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: Eli always played better when he had the play action. 955 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: He could throw a d But the other big things 956 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: that I see that I'm not seeing is he does 957 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: not have that bigger receiver on the outside where he 958 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: makes that back show the crow. He has a tremendous 959 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: comfort zone with that. If you go back to his 960 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: years of two thousand seven and two thousand and eleven 961 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,439 Speaker 1: with Plaxico burs And and a Keen Nick. It's fair 962 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: even if we had a receiver bigger like that, that 963 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: could be a diversion to the speed that we have 964 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: with Oldell Beckham and Sterling Shepherd, this giant team would thrive. 965 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: I believe in that, And and I don't know how 966 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: you guys feel about it, but that's just the way 967 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 1: I think about its great appreciate it. It's a great point. 968 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that I know our offense thrived 969 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: upon having that big body, physical receiver that can just 970 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: work to the inside, go up and get those And 971 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,479 Speaker 1: that's something that you know that we're hoping to see 972 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: more production out of Cody Latimer from I don't know 973 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,759 Speaker 1: if the back shoulder throws in the playbook. I don't 974 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,719 Speaker 1: remember seeing them practice that back shoulder throw much in 975 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,439 Speaker 1: the summer, do you know? Which is fine? You don't 976 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,959 Speaker 1: need to have that playball. You can run other types 977 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 1: of stuff outside to set up contested balls. You can 978 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: run fades, things like that in cause it doesn't make 979 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,439 Speaker 1: a difference. I'm not saying that's some kind of fatal 980 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: floor that's going to kill the team or anything. But 981 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: some teams have that in their playbook, others don't. And 982 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 1: the funny thing with the Giants, they tried even when 983 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin was here to run those back shoulders with 984 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: Beckham and then mcady tried it too. As great as 985 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: all though Beckham is and he can do pretty much 986 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: everything on the football field, him and Eli could never 987 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: get the timing right on those back shoulders. I don't 988 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: know why it's odd, right, Yeah, I don't. I don't 989 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,719 Speaker 1: know why it was. It's something that has always been 990 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: something that you would think would take place, but it hasn't. 991 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,399 Speaker 1: And it's been something you know, more over the top, 992 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,840 Speaker 1: working back to the outside. You're right about that. I 993 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: never even thought about that truly, but you would think 994 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: with his hands being able to reach back, he has 995 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: the football. But it's just something that they've never kind 996 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: of men in sync with. Yeah, just the point. I 997 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 1: don't have any sort of larger philosophical and and that's 998 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: why they're not SNAr. Just never thought about that. It 999 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,440 Speaker 1: makes sense, makes sense to four five one three, Richie, 1000 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: and Long Island is up next. Hey, rich Hey are 1001 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: we doing today? Guys? What's up? Hey? Real quick? Uh Dave. 1002 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,439 Speaker 1: I know everybody always says this, but I just want 1003 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: to say thank you for all your years. Man. I 1004 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: think you and Snee where some of the best to 1005 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,800 Speaker 1: play in the middle, and I think that oh seven 1006 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: line might be considered one of the best of all time, 1007 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: the top five everybody, rich The funny thing is that 1008 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: the eight line played even better than No, I'm just 1009 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: saying the O eight line, which was the same group, 1010 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: but just in terms of how they played during the season, 1011 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,959 Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, the way the line played 1012 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: in oh, eight was the best offensive line pie I've 1013 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: ever seen, without a doubt, that was our best year. Metaphorically, 1014 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,400 Speaker 1: you don't shoot yourself in the foot there the playoffs. 1015 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: See see now you're getting David deal mad. What can 1016 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: we do? Richie? What do you mean man? Things? Um? 1017 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: Number one is everybody likes to whipped the defense here. Um. 1018 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,919 Speaker 1: I think everybody forgets we have what four maybe five 1019 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: returning starters from last year, one of which hasn't played yet. Um. 1020 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: Vernon is great at setting the edge. I think we're 1021 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: missing that from him. But you know, these guys don't 1022 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: have any kind of cohesion yet. Um, so guy's got 1023 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: to back off a little. I heard somebody call earlier 1024 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: that eight win nine wind Range. I would be happy 1025 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: with that. It's a good turnaround for me. Um. You know, 1026 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: I wish they had tap space and they could have 1027 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 1: went after Khalil Mack, but that's not a Humer there. Um. 1028 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: What I will say on the same subject, though, is 1029 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: is the one thing I think that the Giants are 1030 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: missing on defense, And and I love augu three. I 1031 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: wish they drafted him back in the day. But I 1032 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: do think linebackers as an overall sometimes hide weaknesses and defenses. 1033 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: When you look at Carolina, when you look at uh, 1034 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, when you look at Um when she's here, 1035 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: was in there for the Steelers, that star linebacker, you 1036 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: know that that that covers up a lot of holes, 1037 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,480 Speaker 1: especially in the middle there guy Couchily who picked the 1038 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: ball twice off in your on the game, you know, 1039 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: take one to the house. Well, it's you bring up 1040 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: a great point, and I agree with you. There's nothing 1041 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,439 Speaker 1: like having an unbelievable linebacker that can be the leader 1042 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: of the eyes of the years and the captain of 1043 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,280 Speaker 1: that side of the ball. And I think that Oagle 1044 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,320 Speaker 1: Tree has continued to make progress and improve himself on 1045 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: those you know, the defending of you know, the passing 1046 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: game and working one on ones up against running backs, 1047 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: because that was something that I think we were all 1048 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: concerned and worried about, and that's something that we're gonna 1049 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,240 Speaker 1: need to continue to watch moving forward, especially this weekend 1050 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: with Christian McCaffrey. Exactly. Yeah, I agree, I understand. I 1051 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: love designing. I love the trade for him Um, and 1052 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: now we're in the three fourth, they could get that 1053 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: other guy. I like how Armstrong has been playing to 1054 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: be honest with you, you know, for his experience or 1055 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: lack thereof. Thank you, Richie points and leaf Um number 1056 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,280 Speaker 1: one is in my opinion, and you guys could could 1057 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: you know, correct me if I'm wrong. But I do 1058 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: feel like with Landon Collins being the safety he is, um, 1059 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: I do think they should use him, not fully, but 1060 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: in some capacity on these RPO runs to spy. Heard 1061 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: somebody talk about that the other day. And though you 1062 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,239 Speaker 1: can't fully commit him to that, but at the end 1063 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: of the day, I do feel like matching up a 1064 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,800 Speaker 1: physical guy who's gonna make that quarterback think twice about 1065 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: pulling that ball down. Um. You know guys like Cam 1066 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: Newton maybe not. You look at a guy like Blake Mortals. 1067 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: You know they're still running the r PO. He's still 1068 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: gonna take a run. He might think twice back at 1069 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,799 Speaker 1: shelled by a guy like Landing Collins. Richie. Remember, though, 1070 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: if it's a true run pass option on an r 1071 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: p O and he sees the safety that close the 1072 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,560 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, guess what, he's not handed the ball 1073 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna his hands. Well, that's true, But if you 1074 00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: have a safety on defense, if you have a safety 1075 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,040 Speaker 1: play in the middle zone read covering that run play. 1076 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: He's got the quarterback on the run, and then if 1077 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,959 Speaker 1: you're pulling it out to pass, he's playing a center zone, 1078 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: so he's still in position to make a play for 1079 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: the ball or at least cover somebody that's that Yeah, 1080 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of distance to cover on that 1081 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: and have that split second reaction for him to be 1082 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,960 Speaker 1: able to pull it. Okay. True. The other question I had, 1083 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: and this is because a lot of people keep talking 1084 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,200 Speaker 1: about getting Barkley and Bob Moore. Um, in my my 1085 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: humble opinion, couldn't you use a guy like uh grahaman 1086 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 1: ends Barkley and the two running back set and you 1087 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: can motion either one of those guys out and set 1088 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,440 Speaker 1: yourself up where you could still one tight end, especially 1089 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,640 Speaker 1: a guy like Ret you know, you can hand it off. 1090 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,520 Speaker 1: You could be throwing it. He could he could work 1091 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: out of the out of the slot, you know, either 1092 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,360 Speaker 1: one of those guys you know buying you know, minus 1093 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: Gollmans fumble. Obviously you haven't played pretty good too, Yeah, Ritchie, I, 1094 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: I I hear you. Thanks to the calling. Dave kind 1095 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: of touched on that before. Are it doesn't help you 1096 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: create the mismatch that you're looking to get because you're 1097 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: going to get a small defense and all of a sudden, 1098 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a running back up against the corner 1099 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,439 Speaker 1: instead of running back versus a linebacker safety. And that's 1100 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,399 Speaker 1: the whole point of why you're doing that, the motion 1101 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,319 Speaker 1: out of it correct if you want to do that, glinty, yeah, 1102 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,919 Speaker 1: back in if you want to exactly if there showing 1103 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 1: let you any more protection or something like that, And 1104 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: that's why I would do it. I don't. I don't 1105 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: see much of an advantage of having two running backs 1106 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: on the field at the same time, nor do I, 1107 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: nor do I unless one of them is a fullback. Yeah, 1108 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: to half backs on the field, I got you, all right, 1109 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 1: We've got three more calls. We got seven minutes. Let's 1110 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,439 Speaker 1: get him in, Joe, and Pennsylvania is up next. Joe, Hey, Hi, gout? 1111 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: No um. I was trying to make this point to 1112 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,439 Speaker 1: Paul yesterday in Lance and he said, oh, we gotta 1113 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,800 Speaker 1: throw the ball deep, and I tried to say, I 1114 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: don't care what we do. We're self destructing. I think 1115 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:45,080 Speaker 1: at the time in the Saints game and in this, uh, 1116 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboy game, we were in second and third and 1117 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: long and and and I think that comes down to discipline, 1118 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: and that's the main thing. These teams are going to 1119 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: play back with the weapons we have and give us 1120 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: the short stuff and some runs and stuff if we 1121 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,640 Speaker 1: get them, but they're gonna make us go to the 1122 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: distance of the field, you know, on that And we 1123 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 1: are not being disciplined enough. We're missing the assignments, panel bees, 1124 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: some sacks. But that's the thing. We're always in second 1125 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 1: and long and third and long. In that first series 1126 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: against the same it was fine, but it's check it up. 1127 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: It's fifty at the time, and that's what's killing us. 1128 00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,800 Speaker 1: But yesterday Paul and him said, well, let's Max protect 1129 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: and run two receivers out on on long routes. That's 1130 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: fine because he could You could with Max protecting him 1131 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,440 Speaker 1: running m receivers, you could also be running it. So 1132 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,960 Speaker 1: here's the problem with that. And I'm gonna agree with 1133 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: you here for a second. I want to get Dave's take. 1134 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: That's the one way they actually did try to get 1135 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: the ball down the field the last few weeks is 1136 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 1: Max protect and get two guys down the field. And 1137 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: there were two problems with it why when teams played 1138 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 1: deep zone, running two guys into deep routes has never 1139 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: They're never gonna get open, all right. And number two, 1140 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: they've actually had trouble protecting when they've gone to nash 1141 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,120 Speaker 1: protecting that that's going back to assignment stand and stuff. Yeah, 1142 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,560 Speaker 1: that's goofy because we with the max protect you can 1143 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: run the ball too good? Can you? You could be 1144 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,919 Speaker 1: able to And that's the that's the key I'm saying. 1145 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,360 Speaker 1: You check it in the Saints game, and definitely in 1146 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 1: the Cowboys game. I mean they were missing stunts and everything. 1147 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: It was so goofy, you know, really and truly if 1148 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: we if we if we're fifty in second and fifteen 1149 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: and second or thirty in twenty, I mean, we ain't 1150 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,920 Speaker 1: gonna get nowhere than are. We're with you and I 1151 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: tracked it again. I don't know the game before you're 1152 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: talking about, Joe, But against the Saints, all three of 1153 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: the scoring drives the Giants had against the Saints, Dave, 1154 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,439 Speaker 1: there was not one negative play on any of the three. 1155 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: And look at the Houston Texans that open and drive. 1156 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,520 Speaker 1: It was a third and four and thirty five. No negative, 1157 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,960 Speaker 1: no negative plays, no negative plays and when they get 1158 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,080 Speaker 1: those second down sacks you with the um see Kwan 1159 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,520 Speaker 1: Barkley run for minus four yards in in the mix there. Uh, 1160 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,640 Speaker 1: this offense right now is not at the point where 1161 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,799 Speaker 1: they can make up a first and twenty and over 1162 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: or second and fourteen. They might get there, they're not 1163 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: there yet, so Joe, right, is not the sexy answer, 1164 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: but eliminating negative plays is actually a really really big 1165 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: part of this. Jason and South Jersey is up next day. 1166 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: J Yeah, yeah, all right. I just wanted to say 1167 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,320 Speaker 1: thank you David Deal for all the great years of 1168 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: being a giant. Thank you, Jason. All right, Um, I 1169 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about what the offensive defense. I mean, 1170 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of positivity going around there. You know, 1171 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,880 Speaker 1: we haven't seen a lot of it on both sides 1172 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,320 Speaker 1: the ball, and I'm just wondering if it's because of injuries, 1173 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,400 Speaker 1: like for instance, UM offense, you know seeing some more 1174 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: smash routes and on defense, uh see him more by 1175 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: six man fronts because of the secondary being depleted. Go ahead, 1176 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: what do you think? I mean? Obviously you know there 1177 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: are different things and you're gonna drop uh different combinations 1178 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,800 Speaker 1: and want to come up with different combinations of routes 1179 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 1: considering the fact that we haven't had the productive passing 1180 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,880 Speaker 1: game with the weapons that we have on the outside. 1181 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 1: So I agree with you that there has to be 1182 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: more diverse route combinations. But at the same time, you've 1183 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: got to take a capitalization and ownership of when you 1184 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,920 Speaker 1: do get that opportunity and being able to find the 1185 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 1: hole in the zone, knowing that how much attention that 1186 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: O b J is getting on the defensive side of 1187 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:57,000 Speaker 1: the ball. Absolutely um. And by the way, those smash 1188 00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 1: routes working against those are designed for cover two schemes, UM, 1189 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,880 Speaker 1: to get the guy over that short corner in the 1190 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,640 Speaker 1: flag round and then you bring basically what you do 1191 00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,800 Speaker 1: and you're basically flooding the right hands over. You're running 1192 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,120 Speaker 1: the slock guy usually on the flag behind that short 1193 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,439 Speaker 1: corner in that hole, and then you're making that corner 1194 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:15,840 Speaker 1: choose out of the team the short guy in the 1195 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,800 Speaker 1: flat bingo so that that that would be around. You 1196 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: use more against a cover at least in my opinion, yea, 1197 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:30,000 Speaker 1: and will we see um maybe with more steam routes 1198 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:36,839 Speaker 1: from hand. Unfortunately, Dave, and thanks a lot for the call, 1199 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. That that's Evan Ingram's deal. Yeah you know, yeah, 1200 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,439 Speaker 1: working the scenes was his deal. Yea, So we'll see. 1201 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they definitely have to get production on red 1202 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: Elson in this this game this weekend. Uh. Like I said, 1203 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: I was saying, to help get things across the middle 1204 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,640 Speaker 1: and running wise sticks and making sure that you're having 1205 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,160 Speaker 1: him run crossing routes, stoping up the middle of this defense, Tronland, 1206 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 1: he will wrap us up today. What's up on? Hey, 1207 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: how you guys doing? Thanks for taking my car. You know, 1208 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,799 Speaker 1: I was expecting to get an Ode Beckham call right 1209 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,800 Speaker 1: to start of the show about the stuff and that 1210 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 1: that he said to ESPN, but it finally showed up, 1211 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,160 Speaker 1: trying what do you got? All right? So what I 1212 00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 1: want to know is, because do you do you think 1213 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: odell as a lost confidence in Eli? On the sideline, 1214 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:31,840 Speaker 1: he just looked so discouraged and so demoralized, like I'm wondering, 1215 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: go ahead, no, let's trying to finish. Yeah, I was 1216 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: wondering what me because I know, yeah, I don't know 1217 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,880 Speaker 1: if he sees other games and other receivers, you know, 1218 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,920 Speaker 1: actually getting opportunities. I know he he's very and I 1219 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 1: commend him on you know, um um, you know, being 1220 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: so good with the media, you know what I mean. 1221 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: And and he's showed great maturity, but in sign he's 1222 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,440 Speaker 1: very emotional. You gotta know. We fund en up inside 1223 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 1: one wanting to contribute. There one thing out there real quick. 1224 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,160 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham right now was on pace to catch a 1225 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty four passes on one and eighty targets. 1226 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,640 Speaker 1: Both those numbers would have led the NFL last year. 1227 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,960 Speaker 1: He's on pace for undred and twenty four receiving yards. 1228 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: This idea out there that the Giants aren't utilizing Odell 1229 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Is simply not factually accurate. Has he not 1230 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,960 Speaker 1: had a touchdown yet? Sure, but teams are doubling him 1231 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: in the red zone. The underneath he's gone out of 1232 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,040 Speaker 1: his way to get ode Beckham Jr. The ball? And look, 1233 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,120 Speaker 1: don't you expect him to look the little demoralized on 1234 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,640 Speaker 1: the sideline there? One in three? Yeah, I mean, I'd 1235 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,800 Speaker 1: rather have him sit there and control himself than be 1236 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 1: a spectacle and be a distraction like he has in 1237 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,960 Speaker 1: the past. I think he's done a wonderful job this 1238 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: year being a professional and all this stuff that he 1239 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: said to ESPN has been completely blown out of proportion. Um. 1240 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 1: He said nothing that was critical of the coaches, nothing 1241 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,920 Speaker 1: to go after his teammates of anything. He used generic 1242 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,760 Speaker 1: player talk to try to avoid saying anything controversial and 1243 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: to talk about the energy and see who's bought in. 1244 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: You have thirty new guys on your roster. Yes, you're 1245 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out who's who and who brings what. Absolutely, yeah, 1246 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,880 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you John, And the game both of 1247 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: them had been very fair. When when when Becca's done 1248 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: stuff that has been out of hand. You know, the 1249 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,280 Speaker 1: stuff against Josh Norman was unacceptable, and he knows that, 1250 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: he said, he knows he made a mistake in that game. 1251 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: But this stuff that's being made out to be a 1252 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 1: big deal of the ESPN, it is nonsense. It's nonsense. 1253 00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,720 Speaker 1: If you read the full quotes, Oh yeah, you know, 1254 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: why are we making big plays? Why aren't we throwing 1255 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: it twenty yards down the field? The quote that nobody 1256 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: includes what he says right after that, we have to 1257 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,080 Speaker 1: figure it out. It's not Eli is not doing it. 1258 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,440 Speaker 1: It's not the coaches aren't doing it. It's we have 1259 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: to figure it out. It's a team thing. What else 1260 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,800 Speaker 1: do you want the guy to say, I'm just letting 1261 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,320 Speaker 1: me get it out. It's true, It's true, it's and 1262 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 1: you knew it was going to be made bigger than 1263 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: it is because it's Odell Beckham Jr. And the Giants 1264 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,720 Speaker 1: are right now one in three. As a player, David, 1265 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: one of your players said what he said, Would it 1266 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,440 Speaker 1: bother you now because you know who he is and 1267 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 1: who he is in the locker room and what he 1268 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,479 Speaker 1: brings every single day. Absolutely not all right. Final final 1269 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,840 Speaker 1: thoughts key to the game, one or two things that 1270 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,160 Speaker 1: Giants have to do, either side of the ball, whatever 1271 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,000 Speaker 1: you think is most important for the Giants to beat 1272 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 1: the Panthers on Sunday. Offensively, making sure that they stay balance. Offensively, 1273 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 1: making sure they stay balanced, and making sure that they're 1274 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,720 Speaker 1: not in third and longs because that will feed right 1275 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 1: into this Carolina Panthers defense in the crowd. And then 1276 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: defensively a linement assignment, making sure that everybody communicates, gets 1277 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 1: lined up, and and just play sound fundamental football swarming in. 1278 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,400 Speaker 1: You can't have those open field mistackles up against Christian 1279 01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,840 Speaker 1: McCaffrey and DJ more because they'll take him to the house. Yeah, 1280 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,000 Speaker 1: I'll go too things. I think big runs and as 1281 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: as we've talked about big passes a lot before, I'm 1282 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: going big runs, whether it's Cam Newton or Christian McCaffrey 1283 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: or DJ More run after the catch. I'm not worried 1284 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,480 Speaker 1: about the Panthers throwing at the you know, throwing the 1285 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: top off the defense here. I'm worried about tackling and 1286 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 1: big runs. And then offensively, I don't think this is 1287 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a big, you know, fifty yard pass in 1288 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,400 Speaker 1: the air game. I think this is gonna be an 1289 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 1: intermediate run after the catch game for the Giants too. So, 1290 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,000 Speaker 1: and I think they have to protect because I do 1291 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,880 Speaker 1: think that I do think the Panthers defensive line it 1292 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,919 Speaker 1: might be better than what the number shows side car 1293 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,720 Speaker 1: uh And I think protecting especial yeah, and and communicating. 1294 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a lot of games get 1295 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: run between Cowan Short and Mario Addison and they're gonna 1296 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 1: try to figure out a way to get d y Man. 1297 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: You gotta stop it. And you know what, Solder and 1298 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: Hernandez has been pretty good at that stuff this year. 1299 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: The issues with the stunts have mostly come on the 1300 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 1: right side. So I think they'll be able to handle, 1301 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 1: but that will be very important. David, always a pleasure, 1302 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,320 Speaker 1: always my man. Always up a great weekend and the 1303 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: good news. David and I are back with you on 1304 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: Monday reacting to Giants and Panthers right here on Giants 1305 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,960 Speaker 1: dot Com at one thirty. 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