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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was nasty, right there.

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's not football, it's professional football. It's big business,

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Speaker 2: right and it's never more of a business than on

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Speaker 2: cutdown day. And we are moments removed from the final

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Speaker 2: cuts being released and around the horn we're gonna go

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Speaker 2: Danny Siret, Darren Urban, Paul KELVC.

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Speaker 3: Before we get too deep into this, Paul, Yes, I

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Speaker 3: think we need to talk about the other part of

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Speaker 3: big business in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you mean the one hundred million dollar podcast deal

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Speaker 2: for the Kelsey Brothers and maybe we're going to start

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Speaker 2: our ascent and pursue the next big Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Us, that wasn't it. No, No, I was talking about

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Speaker 3: the apparent large amount of money being spent to Faery

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Speaker 3: Blue around the country following Danny Sirek, because, as we

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Speaker 3: all know, on this podcast last week, we opened with

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Speaker 3: a number of minutes spent on Blue, the Colts mascot,

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Speaker 3: And there he was again in Denver.

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Speaker 4: In what world is the Colts mascot traveling to Denver

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Speaker 4: for a preseason game? Why would that make sense? Yes,

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Speaker 4: it was cute. At halftime, they went against a boys

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I was hosting the halftime show. I did

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh no, he was.

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Speaker 4: There because during pregame I got a text from our

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Speaker 4: radio with you, Paul, and I get a text from

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Speaker 4: our photographer, who knows about the whole charade, right, She

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Speaker 4: posts for a picture with him, the ultimate betrayal, And

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking one on Earth is the Colts mascot doing

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Speaker 4: in Denver Son at halftime from the press box, I

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Speaker 2: So was it some sort of gathering of equal It

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Speaker 4: It was I don't even understand because it looked like

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Speaker 4: all of the mascots from Denver professional sports teams, and

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Speaker 2: My other theory be since the Broncos always play that

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Speaker 2: side are you on? So there is no middle ground here,

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Speaker 2: Danny with Blue, it's friend or foe? Is that what

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Uh oh, I think there's gonna be beef between Danny

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Speaker 2: You better choose wisely, Darren. Okay, have you why is

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Speaker 3: Look, I would always side with Danny, especially with any

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Speaker 2: On the other side, I'm gonna check with Big Red.

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Speaker 2: I need I need to before I render a decision.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna consult with Big Red and just see who

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Speaker 2: I'm backing here exactly. Okay, Dan, I didn't mean to.

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Speaker 3: I didn't mean to drail us right off the top,

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Speaker 4: I really thought you were going to start the podcast

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Speaker 2: Well, that's always a great idea. You guys want to

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Speaker 4: Well from your training camp.

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Speaker 2: Make an edit and started at this point in three

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Speaker 2: Rated double X baby X Square Ron Wolfley, how's that taste?

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Speaker 3: They literally wasn't in football what at least last year?

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Speaker 3: Might have been a little bitter about that whole draft

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Speaker 4: Xavier Thomas and Savior Weaver bringing it back to what

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Speaker 3: Know about you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they they they pulled through for you, Paul.

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Speaker 2: The forty three yard catch by everybody, now, Weaver the

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Speaker 4: Didn't you close, You didn't need in Denver.

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Speaker 2: But well, the forty three yard grab you didn't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm Weaver the receiver and leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there again the cut today, Paul. I know.

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Speaker 2: See there there's Darren. Keep me humble right there, keep

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Speaker 2: me grounded. Just just reminded me anyways, that was rude.

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Speaker 2: There are wins and then there are losses.

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Speaker 4: Sarin's been stress waiting for the official announcement that come out.

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Speaker 2: Arren seventy three seconds to remind me of one of

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Speaker 2: my big facials from pass polypig skin breakouts. Okay, that's cool,

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Speaker 2: So let's go through this, and Darren, you were waiting

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Speaker 2: with baited breath over there. They came down. The depth

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think let's let's make very clear right

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Speaker 3: But again, the roster is going to move. It's going

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Speaker 4: And not even just the Cardinals being fourth on the

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Speaker 4: want to risk them being snagged by another team. Even

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Speaker 3: But if we look at this initial roster, I think

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Speaker 2: That is most surprising to me, Michael Carter.

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Speaker 3: And then the cornerback room, which has got what six.

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Speaker 2: I'm still processing this. So the corners that were released

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Speaker 3: The cornerbacks they kept were Starling Thomas, Sean Murphy, Bunting,

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Speaker 2: And Elijah Jones gotcham Okay, not a surprise, Elijah Jones,

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Speaker 3: It was a little but again a third round, pack round,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so okay, so there you go. Then how

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Speaker 3: There's four safeties right now with Joey Blunt and Rabbit

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Speaker 2: So it was Joey Blunt versus Andre Sacharay and they

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Speaker 3: But again, we've got a practice squad which I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: And then at running back Michael Carter, who did not

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Speaker 2: I thought he had made the team. I really did.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I know that one of the reports,

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Speaker 2: And maybe another reason why they tried to keep him healthy.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: And and again it underscores what we've talked about the

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Speaker 2: So Mario Demarcado, you can keep unpacking your boxes and

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Speaker 2: least we should probably just call it the fifty three

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Speaker 4: Talking about safety's Darren Hall, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Darren Hall. I forgot about Darren Hall. He did

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Speaker 3: make it right, So it's eleven defensive back.

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Speaker 2: So Darren Hall just pulled at Tony Jefferson. He made

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Speaker 3: Yes, say I missed that.

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Speaker 4: You didn't know. There's a.

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Speaker 3: When I have a depth charte of just crossing things

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Speaker 4: There's been a lot off. You know, the Camp Thomas

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Speaker 4: I didn't know if that was just a mistake or

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Speaker 4: if I had something else.

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Speaker 2: You're right there, and they did keep four tight ends.

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Speaker 2: That's a surprise for me.

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Speaker 3: See. That's what's funny about it is because just this

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Speaker 4: I could be wrong there. We know how much they

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Speaker 2: Okay, So then quickly going through, let's go through the

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Speaker 4: Right, so that will be interesting. Jay Jones is suspended

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Speaker 4: yes they have six, but that's really five. So that's

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Speaker 3: Well? I could argue too with the way this is

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Speaker 4: The sixth No shocker Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 4: I know Greg George, Michael Wilson, Chris Moore, Jay Jones,

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Speaker 2: Weaver, gotcha. Okay, so well that's seven right there. You

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Speaker 2: And once again we still don't know is Greg Dortch

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Speaker 2: Okay, offensive line now this is this is sort of

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Speaker 4: That's why you were in black today.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I will say a couple of things. I

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Speaker 2: He is an experienced backup center. I think it also

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Speaker 3: Think that's fair, I think. And the other thing is

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Speaker 2: He had a strong start to camp Elijah Wilkinson, I

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Speaker 4: When you're looking at ye preseason game performance.

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Speaker 3: Let's make that clear. I mean people keep saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: And what the new rule change. The nice part is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if this was last year, Robinson and Christian Jones

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Speaker 4: Running back Tony Jones Junior hurt his shoulder in Denver

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Speaker 3: For the year. I thought he might be a guy

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Speaker 2: We might have buried the lead considering how much attention

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Speaker 3: I will just say that Desmond Ritter got released and

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Speaker 3: And I still kind of I am to be fair

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Speaker 2: No, here we go, first first Amendment.

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Speaker 3: But oh my goodness, I am surprised with the number

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Speaker 2: I didn't go that far. I said with Craig Griolou

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Speaker 3: Brown's kept four. So they're trying to deal one and

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Speaker 3: that's why they did it.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of Tune versus Ritter, I summarized it

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Speaker 2: Desmond Ridder wins based on Denver and what I thought

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Speaker 4: I am not surprised for the same reasons of Clayton

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Speaker 4: I'm not set on the idea that the backup quarterback

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Speaker 4: and I know that last year the true body of

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Speaker 4: I think we have seen, and we've heard from the

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Speaker 4: one to year two. This team likes to develop younger players.

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Speaker 4: So the fact that you now have a quarterback who's

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Speaker 4: This is all a moot point. We're just talking about

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Speaker 2: Please let it be a good point, please.

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Speaker 4: I think there is still a good chance that Desmond

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Speaker 4: Then another quarterback being cut around the league, possibly with

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Speaker 2: Here's where we might disagree is that I don't think

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Speaker 2: But he won't get any reps in the game either,

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Speaker 2: So it's not like you're depending on him to play

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Speaker 3: How do you know, Well, God forbids what what happens

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Speaker 2: So let me evoke the old rule. If your starting

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Speaker 3: Okay, if that's true, then why are you worried about

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Speaker 2: Because if you think there's an upgrade and you're bringing

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Speaker 3: You're making my brain, if you're contributing.

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Speaker 2: Yourself, no I'm not. If you bring in a player

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting point.

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Speaker 2: Here's the only thing I'll throw out there. If you

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Speaker 3: Then then it's a different ballgame because then you can

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Speaker 3: you're basically stashing a quarterback and not letting the guy

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Speaker 3: get the kind of money he should get as a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So we are gonna not agree to this rule. So

443
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Speaker 3: now you can't just if you want a third quarterback

444
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Speaker 3: to be able to play in a game, you're gonna

445
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: have to put him on the active roster and cut

446
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Speaker 3: somebody else. Now, that's doable. But again, every time you

447
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 3: do that, that means people have to cross through waivers.

448
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: And if you ever you would, you would have to

449
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Speaker 3: do that every time with let's say, Clayton tune in

450
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Speaker 3: this thing, so it gets a lot more complished.

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Speaker 2: So the NFLPA told the NFL what Danny told Blue,

452
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Speaker 2: the Colts mascot, right, basically.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if the NFL PA you'd used

454
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Speaker 3: any fell language.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

456
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Speaker 4: Maybe it wasn't quite as prise it was for your

457
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Speaker 4: ears only, Darren.

458
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Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't quite as profane as it turns out.

459
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Speaker 3: So you gotta talk. You gotta talk. Blue.

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Speaker 4: When you're talking, Kim Dare was enjoying himself in the

461
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Speaker 4: row above me in the press box, watching me on

462
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Speaker 4: my phone zoom.

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Speaker 3: That was pretty funny.

464
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Speaker 2: Okay, where else are we going here? Defensive line, we

465
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Speaker 2: haven't covered the front seven basically, so d line once again,

466
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Speaker 2: Darius Robinson uninjured, reserved for at least the first four games. Thankfully,

467
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Speaker 2: like a year ago, if you had had your first

468
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Speaker 2: round rookie defensive lineman a standout of camp, I mean,

469
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Speaker 2: it would have been devastating, But I like to think

470
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: the Cardinals have enough depth on the d line to

471
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Speaker 2: absorb that for the short term. When you're talking about

472
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Speaker 2: Blal Nichols and Justin Jones and Roy Lopez, LJ. Collier,

473
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Speaker 2: Dante Stills and then who am I forgetting Kyrie's tonga?

474
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Speaker 2: Made it right?

475
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Speaker 4: So Nakwon Jones, Ben Stilly, Miles Murphy, Phil Hoskins, and TJ.

476
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Speaker 4: Carter all cut. I have a feeling there's a handful

477
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Speaker 4: of those that they're going to try to get to

478
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Speaker 4: the practice squad. I would think Nakwon Jones, possibly Miles Murphy, Yeah,

479
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Speaker 4: just as a younger player to develop.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and again when we start talking about practice squad,

481
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Speaker 3: and I'll be interested to see if any of these

482
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Speaker 3: guys get pulled up on waivers by other teams. But

483
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Speaker 3: the vast majority of these guys are not going to

484
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Speaker 3: It's like you were talking about with tunes. Most of

485
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Speaker 3: these teams are not going to be grabbing waivers.

486
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Speaker 4: And when talking about the defensive line, it's because other

487
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Speaker 4: teams are in similar situations of a player that they

488
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Speaker 4: found that they like that might not make another active

489
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Speaker 4: roster a younger player like a Miles Murphy, who they've

490
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Speaker 4: been developing and really liked. They just are two down

491
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Speaker 4: on the depth chart. Every teams has their own players

492
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Speaker 4: like that, all right, So.

493
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Speaker 2: Then outside linebacker Dennis Gardek, Xavi and Collins, Victor d Mucage,

494
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Speaker 2: Jesse Luketta, and then Xavier Thomas with Cam Thomas being

495
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Speaker 2: traded to Kansas City for a seventh rounder.

496
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Speaker 3: And I think we pretty much knew Luketa was safe

497
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Speaker 3: once the Cam Thomas news started leaking Monday night. And look,

498
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Speaker 3: Cam Thomas, that's another thing that Look, I think camp

499
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Speaker 3: Thomas is a hard worker. And this is no slight

500
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Speaker 3: on camp Thomas what I'm about to say, but that

501
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: news broke and somehow, like at about six pm Arizona time,

502
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: Monday night, Camp Thomas somehow morphed into Chandler Jones. If

503
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Speaker 3: you looked at a lot of what the fans are saying,

504
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Speaker 3: I'm like, and it wasn't.

505
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Speaker 2: Just fans, it was media members who hadn't been to

506
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Speaker 2: practice one time, seen the reps. They hadn't seen it

507
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: in the O line versus D line, they hadn't seen

508
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Speaker 2: it in the past, rushing real live and what he

509
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Speaker 2: was unable to do against starting caliber offensive lineman.

510
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Speaker 4: It feels similar to the Rondel Moore trade with Atlanta

511
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 4: of if you don't see a spot for this player

512
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: long term and there's a team that's interesting and you

513
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 4: can get capital, sure you have to take advantage of that.

514
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: And the Cardinals got a twenty twenty five seventh round pick.

515
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Speaker 4: We Darre and I were talking in the office earlier

516
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Speaker 4: this morning about Okay, well, well, that side of it

517
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Speaker 4: makes sense of why you would be okay trading Thomas.

518
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Speaker 4: Do you have the numbers because we know that like

519
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: to use the rotation, And then as Darre and I

520
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 4: were talking, realized, Okay, you do still have the numbers

521
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 4: to have enough of a rotation someone like linebacker Mac

522
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Speaker 4: Wilson Senior, who we are expecting to be used off

523
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Speaker 4: the edge, and you've got a more stout, fierce defensive

524
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Speaker 4: line which can contribute as well. So to me, it

525
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Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense if you've got a team

526
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Speaker 4: that's going to be willing to give you something for

527
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Speaker 4: a player that there was a chance he wasn't even

528
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Speaker 4: going to make the initial fifty three.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there was a chance. I think the

530
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Speaker 3: fact they made this trade is tells you he wasn't

531
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Speaker 3: going to now.

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Speaker 4: It tells you also Kansas City being so down on

533
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Speaker 4: the waiver wire, they didn't think there was probably a

534
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Speaker 4: good chance of Cam Thomas making it all the way

535
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Speaker 4: to Kansas City, and that probably prompted this.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple points I want to make. Number One,

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Speaker 3: I think the Cardinals very much. They very much value

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Speaker 3: versatility for their outside linebackers. Last year, Cam Thomas when

539
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Speaker 3: he was on the field, rushed the pass for like

540
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Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the time. He's more of a

541
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Speaker 3: straight pass rusher. He's not going to do other things

542
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Speaker 3: for you. Well, they got that guy in Xavier Thomas,

543
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: probably a better guy at that. You don't only need

544
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: so many people like that. Number two, you've got Mac Wilson,

545
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Speaker 3: who's an inside linebacker who's going to get some outside snaps.

546
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Speaker 3: So there's another guy to add into that outside mix.

547
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Speaker 3: And number three in this particip specific case, because I

548
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: know if Cam Thomas has any kind of success in

549
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Speaker 3: Kansas City, it'll rain back down on Monte Assin for it.

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Speaker 3: He's going to a different defense. Kansas City runs a

551
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Speaker 3: four to three, He's going to play, you know, kind

552
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Speaker 3: of your traditional four to three defensive end out there,

553
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Speaker 3: and that probably fits his skill a little bit better.

554
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Speaker 3: So there is a chance he's going to have more

555
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Speaker 3: success there, and that wasn't going to happen here, no

556
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Speaker 3: matter what anybody wants to think.

557
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Speaker 2: Yea, his brother is a D lineman, his father a

558
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Speaker 2: D lineman. You have like a body mass index study

559
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: that said he could easily put on another thirty pounds.

560
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Speaker 2: So to Darren's point of four to three, probably is

561
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Speaker 2: a better fit for a Cam Thomas. But now I

562
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Speaker 2: think we also understand why he played so many snaps

563
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Speaker 2: in the preseason finale. Maybe not only the Cardinals wanted

564
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: to get a long look, but they perhaps were showcasing

565
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 2: him for other teams.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you it is the mind tricks are being

567
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Speaker 4: used and every team in the league. I do have

568
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Speaker 4: there the great Craig Greloud. While we record this as

569
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 4: do we have to keep calling him great, has tweeted

570
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 4: out some interesting tidbits just to share real quick.

571
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Speaker 2: We have to add a light detector. It would have

572
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: gone off there anyway.

573
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Speaker 4: Go ahead of the twelve draft picks, eight made the

574
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Speaker 4: initial fifty three man roster cornerback Jaden Davis and wide

575
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: receiver Tajon Palmer were released, and the Cardinals have had

576
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Speaker 4: at least one undrafted rookie make the Week one roster

577
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 4: in nine of the last twelve seasons. This year at

578
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Speaker 4: Xavier Weaver from Colorado.

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Speaker 2: There you go, how about that? In fact, you know

580
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Speaker 2: what if you want to talk about it too, if

581
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: you want to talk to the if you want to

582
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: talk about draft classes, and you guys want to number

583
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Speaker 2: and then there were five five remaining draft picks from

584
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Speaker 2: the four draft classes prior to mantiasin for Kyler, Trey McClay,

585
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Speaker 2: Zavi and Collins, Jesse, Luketta, Victor d Mukage. I had

586
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Speaker 2: Marquise Hayes on that list right there, and I had

587
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: to cross him off. So there's Big Mom was gone.

588
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: So there you go.

589
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 3: What happens if Marquise Hayes ends up on the practice squad?

590
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: You will you be celebrating.

591
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: You know, I've never talked to Marquise Hayes, And as

592
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: I told Rob Frederickson, I said, you know, sometimes you

593
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: don't want to meet your heroes, and so I've always

594
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: kept a distance from Big Mo. Uh. You know, in

595
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: more ways than one, I think.

596
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Speaker 4: You should get a matching back taps big mum.

597
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that would be so awesome.

598
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: I would be able to get like one letter where

599
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: he can get five across.

600
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Speaker 3: We can get some social content out of it.

601
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Speaker 4: We haven't even talked on the special teams.

602
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, battle, that was I'll call Max Melton's guy. I'll

603
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: just get put under for about eight hours. Have artists

604
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: work on me. That'd be pretty good.

605
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 4: Long snapper battle come to a close.

606
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: Yes it has. Yes, well Joe shimkoh, yes he was so.

607
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: I mean, think about a guy like Joe Shimko If

608
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: I understood this right, he didn't miss a single snap

609
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Speaker 2: in college. Correct for your career.

610
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Speaker 3: Not only did he not miss a single snap, but

611
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: he didn't have an errant snap.

612
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Speaker 2: How do you crack the league like? You have to

613
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Speaker 2: earn the trust of a special teams coach somehow, some way.

614
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how that is exactly, but I mean,

615
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Speaker 2: you know you are a made man in the league

616
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Speaker 2: if you are one of those long snappers who has

617
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Speaker 2: a special teams coordinator who believes in you. And that's

618
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: definitely Aaron Brewer and Jeff Rogers absolutely so. And by

619
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Speaker 2: the way, once again, I'll just say it again because

620
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: we probably won't talk about him for the next five months.

621
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Speaker 2: But Aaron Brewer is the most calm, cool, dare I say,

622
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: flatline human being I've ever met in my life. He's

623
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Speaker 2: so chill, which is exactly the personality you want. Like

624
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: baseball closer coming in in the ninth inning, long snapper,

625
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: right hockey goalie. I mean, there's certain positions in sports

626
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: you just want that dude who's just you know, almost catatonic.

627
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: That's Aaron Brewer.

628
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Speaker 3: I will I've said it before and I'll say it

629
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: again because there's a few times, like in training camp

630
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Speaker 3: and it's you know, you're these guys are getting up early,

631
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Speaker 3: so I mean they usually, you know, going to practice early,

632
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: and he'll wear his he'll have shorts, and he'll have

633
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: like the Hawaiian shirt on, and he might have a hat. Definitely.

634
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: They'll have the glasses on. And I always think to myself,

635
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: like the old school glasses, and I'm thinking, this dude

636
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: is like this is he's straight out of a private

637
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: investigator TV show where he's like kind of easy. He

638
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: here's the phone. He kind of rolls over. He's like well, yeah, yeah,

639
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: what and he's got to go solve a case, and.

640
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of the Oh my gosh, Nick,

641
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: what was the the actor anyway, Oh my goodness. I'll

642
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: get this a little bit later. Yeah, you're right. And

643
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 2: you know it's almost like is he incognito? Is he

644
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: like in disguise somehow?

645
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: Is he? I've started when I look at these guys,

646
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: and I can't do it for a lot because I

647
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: try and like go immediately with my first thought. Nick Noltley,

648
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: that's a kind of a good one. But like Aaron

649
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: Brewers always reminded me that Clayton Tune after a game

650
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: with his his nice shorts and his golf shirt and

651
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: the baseball cap looks like he just finished his third

652
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: round out there, and he's he's he's got it. He

653
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: just changed and he finished his media after the third

654
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: round of whatever tournament he's playing, and he's taken off

655
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: for the day. That's what Kyle Clayton tuone always looks

656
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Speaker 3: to me.

657
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Speaker 2: Yep, no doubt. Yeah, he's you're right, he's yep, the

658
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: a young successful almost Wall Street executive who's just playing golf.

659
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: You know, he like traded stocks until the market closed

660
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: at one and then he went and played eighteen in

661
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: the afternoon. You're right, yeah, I could definitely see that.

662
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Speaker 2: What else stands out from the cuts anybody else, Danny

663
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Speaker 2: that you said, you know, I didn't see that one coming.

664
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Speaker 4: Or hmmm, linebacker Chris Barnes. That was a bit of

665
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: a surprise that that's probably a numbers game. Could be

666
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: wrong there, But you're inside linebackers Kaiser White, Mac Wilson,

667
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: Senior Owen Papo. But those also don't surprise me.

668
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: So I thought they were going to keep four inside linebackers,

669
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Speaker 3: especially if Mac plays outside sometimes. And I would not

670
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Speaker 3: be surprised if somehow we see Chris Barnes again.

671
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Speaker 2: Agreed.

672
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple of things. There's gonna be

673
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: changes over the next couple of days, so maybe he

674
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: comes back even sooner. But let's also not forget that

675
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: a veteran who signs after week one, his contract isn't guaranteed.

676
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: And it sounds cheesy, but their teams do stuff like that,

677
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: and so there's always a possibility that there's vets out there,

678
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: whether it's Chris Barnes or somebody else that sign after

679
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: the first games. In part because of that.

680
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: Reason, especially a guy where he's at in his career

681
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: five six years into the league, you know, not a

682
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: number one right, not atop to depth charts. So yeah.

683
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: But Chris Barnes we had on the Bigger Red Rage

684
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. In fact, it was from Indianapolis,

685
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: and he was really bullish on his camp. He said,

686
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm playing some of my best ball

687
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: right now. I'm some of the best shape I've ever

688
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: been in. I did things a little differently in the offseason.

689
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm moving quicker, you know. So to Darren's point, I

690
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: could definitely when they go to Buffalo, I could definitely

691
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: see Chris Barnes being back on this roster somehow. Someway.

692
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Speaker 2: By the way, when you look at when you look

693
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Speaker 2: at some of the names, I'm just gonna throw this

694
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: out there. There are the rookies and they're all unproven.

695
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter even you're Marvin Harrison junior. We still don't

696
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: know exactly what Marvin Harrison Junior is. In fact, if

697
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: you're watching game Plan this week, the TV show at

698
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon which airs Wednesday and Thursday, of Family, we

699
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: asked the head coach, okay, we know about his route

700
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: running superb elite hands. I want to know what's Marvin

701
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: Harrison like yards after catch? What's game day mar b like?

702
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: We don't know. We honestly don't know. And JG almost

703
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: cut me off mid question. It said, ah, you wait,

704
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: you'll see. There's enough that we know about what he's

705
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: going to be like with a ball in his hands

706
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Speaker 2: after the catch. So I'm looking forward to seeing that.

707
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: But I do feel like as we go into the

708
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: regular season, there are some veterans that are still unknowns.

709
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: And you guys agree with me when I agree or disagree.

710
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: When I look at ballall Nichols a really quiet camp

711
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: to me, right, I meant he's got a proven track record,

712
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: get nice money in free agency. He earned it. But

713
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: didn't see him in the preseason games. You know, interior

714
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: defensive linemen don't typically show up in a lot of

715
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: the drills and cam you know. I just didn't feel

716
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: like ninety two stood out a lot in the month

717
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: of August, and so I am curious. Are my list

718
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: of guys I'm curious to see in Buffalo when the

719
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Speaker 2: regular season kicks off.

720
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Speaker 4: I would say the same with Justin Jones, another proven

721
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 4: veteran around the league and then win a couple of

722
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 4: practices not playing one of the starters who didn't play

723
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: in preseason games. I think you could say that about

724
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: the defensive line as a whole. Now, someone like Darius Robinson,

725
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 4: obviously we were keeping a close eye on it, and

726
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 4: he did really did pop.

727
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Darius Robinson. We were citing him every day,

728
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: multiple times a day, right, highlight plays even during camp.

729
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: Darius Robinson that first preseason game. I'll throw another one

730
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: out there, and he didn't play a single rep in

731
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Speaker 2: any of the preseason games. Jonah Williams, you saw him

732
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: at times, and he's dealing with a speed rusher like

733
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 2: Xavier Thomas. He's dealing with a Darius Robinson. Now, these

734
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: guys are going for broke, right, they're either a rookies

735
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: or b trying to make the team. Joana Williams sort

736
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: of strikes me. He's like, hey, look man, I've been

737
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: here and done this. I played five years in the league.

738
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: I was drafted number eleven overall. You know, I don't

739
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: need to be playing my best ball in August twelfth.

740
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: It's funny. It's funny you bring that up. Defensively, I

741
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: didn't do it as much. But I asked a number

742
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: of offensive people, Andrew Petsing I think I actually asked

743
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: Gannon as well, like, what what are you expecting out

744
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: of that offense? Oh? Yell the fro hole, I asked, Yeah, Like,

745
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: what are you expecting out of this offense in Buffalo

746
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: since you guys didn't have any snaps in a game.

747
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: Not the old line, but the offense.

748
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 3: The offense in general as a whole. I mean, we

749
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: have some high expectations for that offense, but we don't

750
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 3: know what we're going to see.

751
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: So what was the answer. What sort of response?

752
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: Almost all of them were We're gonna be fine. You've

753
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: seen it at practice, et cetera, et cetera. I'll give

754
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: yell to this. He kind of like said, well, we're

755
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: not really sure, but we feel good about our training

756
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: camp and we're going to go out there and give

757
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: it our all.

758
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: And I mean, is it a big deal if you're

759
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: an offensive line you have two new parts. Evan Brown.

760
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we heard all the tales of his immense

761
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: strength in the weight room, but still an unknown. I'd

762
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: still throw him into that unknown category as a starting

763
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: left guard in between Paris Johnson Junior and yelled a frohold.

764
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: Even Paris Johnson Junior. I thought, you know, between the

765
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: joint practices he fared real well, and even in the

766
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: one on ones in camp, he was about the only

767
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: guy saw really stimy. Darius Robinson.

768
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Speaker 4: I have no no question about Paris Johnson Junior on

769
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: the left side.

770
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: But once again, like I saw enough in Paris Johnson.

771
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: Not that I had any questions about number seventy going

772
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: into camp, but I did see him stand out. Some

773
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: of these other guys didn't really see it. I'll throw

774
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: another one out there, Sean Murphy Bunting. We saw some ups,

775
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: we saw some downs. That's life is a cornerback. A

776
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: lot of the drills the coaches will tell you cater

777
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: to the offense. You got a crazy amount of space

778
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: to cover a guy. There's no pass rush on a quarterback.

779
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: But I am curious to see what he looks like

780
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. Sean Murphy Bunting as cornerback one on the outside, agreed.

781
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 4: I think these are all valid pretty much any free

782
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: agent signing or any rookie. I think it's really valid

783
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 4: to say that because it's.

784
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: Almost like you tell myself, Okay, don't act like you

785
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: know because you don't. You don't know exactly what these

786
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: guys are going to be all about when the regular

787
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: season starts. Even a mac Wilson senior like Okay, to

788
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 2: Darren's point earlier, how are they gonna use him? Where

789
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: is he gonna be deployed? What is that going to

790
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: mean for this defense? I'm still sticking with my man

791
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: and mystery MacWilson Sr.

792
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: To Darren's point, the question about what the offense will

793
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 4: look like. Let's say all of the starters played. We

794
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: could even go so far as to say the first

795
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 4: half of the first preseason game and that was it.

796
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna sit here and say there wouldn't be

797
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 4: pros to that of really maybe getting a feel for communication,

798
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: speed of the game, timing with your routes and your

799
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: quarterback and the eyes all of that. Can we really say, though,

800
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: that that would make a huge difference come Week one?

801
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 4: I don't know. To me, I never really felt concerned

802
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: one way or the other about starters playing in the

803
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 4: preseason games or not, especially because if starters are playing,

804
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 4: it's typically the first half of that first game. Almost

805
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: the Colts did something kind of funky, and they waited

806
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: till their third preseason game. I don't know, it's a

807
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: fair question. I just don't know that seeing one half

808
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: of a preseason game would necessarily change drastically how they

809
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: would look.

810
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: Weak one see, and that's kind of how I am.

811
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 4: Like, let's say, because you're not even gonna showcase everything.

812
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. Even let's say they did play

813
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: the first team offense, I could see it being two

814
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: drives of one game. Is that really going to make

815
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: a difference, Like all these people saying, why aren't they

816
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: playing well? That like over the years, that's that's what

817
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: ends up happening. All the coaches are like, you barely play,

818
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: like if Kyler played ten plays and be like that's

819
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 3: a lot, you know in a game. I mean, we're

820
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: we're so fair. I mean, and again, I understand that

821
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: some teams do it differently, but we're so far past

822
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: the time when you and I were first covering the league, Paul,

823
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: which it's not like it was forever ago, but when

824
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: I started covering the league and you can see it

825
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: from there, yeah, well the turn of the century.

826
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say anything because I recently completed my

827
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 4: harassment training for work.

828
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: So I'm going to there you go, okay, But anyways,

829
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: and you saw, and it was the whole You play

830
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: a quarter in the first game, you play a half

831
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 3: in the second game, you play into the third quarter

832
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: in the third game, and that just doesn't happen anymore noticeably.

833
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: Absent from the harassment training in the NFL is abusive mascots,

834
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: as we found out last week.

835
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: Thank you.

836
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Yep, so true.

837
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: So don't throw yourself up, Paul, you tried.

838
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: I did throw myself off. Here's the point I was

839
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: gonna make. Let's go back two years ago, season open

840
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: or twenty twenty two Cardinals hosting the Kansas City Chiefs.

841
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: What did Patrick Mahomes do?

842
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: Destroyed the defense?

843
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: Game came out with three Is that not what you

844
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,479
Speaker 2: were gonna say? Three long touchdown drives to start the game,

845
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: and what everybody scream? Ah, that's what happens when one

846
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: team plays our starters in the preseason the other team doesn't.

847
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: Was it really that or was it Patrick Mahomes having

848
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: another NFL MVP season and taking his team to another

849
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: AFC Championship game against a team that ended up winning

850
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: four games that year?

851
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: Yeah?

852
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: See how was it.

853
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: Really I'm I am definitely of the It was Patrick

854
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 3: freaking Mahomes. Do you think if Patrick Mahomes didn't play

855
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: in the preseason, he wouldn't be Patrick freaking Mahomes. I

856
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: believe that's his given name.

857
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: By the I'm just bracing myself because of the Cardinals.

858
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: If we get to halftime a week one at Buffalo

859
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: and it's nine to six Bills and the Cardinals had

860
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: two field goals in the first half, get ready, and.

861
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 4: A lot of the key players when it comes to

862
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: the communication in the huddle, carryover your quarterback, your center,

863
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: two other offensive lineman, your middle linebacker, your two safeties.

864
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: I do think that plays a role. You're running back, right,

865
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: there's continuity there. It's not like Kyler's in year one

866
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: or year two and you've completely rebuilt an offensive line.

867
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 4: I do think that played a role.

868
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: Even Greg Dortch, I'll throw that out there. I mean

869
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: Greg Dortch is a full time slot receiver.

870
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Speaker 1: You know.

871
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, you know who are you? You know

872
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: what are you going to be? So with all apologies

873
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: to the old classic rock band the Who, right, and

874
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: they're you know who are you? I mean, there's some

875
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: of these guys that we still have yet to find

876
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: out about because they just didn't give enough reps in

877
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: the preseason, and even if they did, they're going against

878
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: vanilla schemes and it doesn't really count.

879
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: I know we touched on this earlier about the receiving

880
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: corps in general, but we only kind of briefly talked

881
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: because the first time we talked since Zay Jones suspension

882
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: came out. Who who is that other guy? You think?

883
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: Or do they need another guy? If as long as

884
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: the top three are healthy and you've got Trey McBride

885
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 3: out there.

886
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: I want to hear my little anecdote from the Denver

887
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: press box. Please please, I get up during the scoreboard,

888
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: Craig Grilou takes over and they're piping the Denver Broncos

889
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: pregame show in through the speakers right, and as I

890
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: walk in and outside the booth and I hear it,

891
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: I pick up with, Oh yeah, Trey mcbride'll be the

892
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: second leading receiver by far. It'll be Marvin Harrison. It'll

893
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: be Trey McBride, And nobody fears Michael Wilson or Greg Dortch.

894
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 4: Great spread that message.

895
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: These are the two guys just cracking wise on Broncos

896
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: pregame radio, and so the disrespect is real.

897
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 4: Greg Dortch has had some nice plays in joint practice too.

898
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd even say he's one of

899
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: those players i'd have as unproven. I get to the

900
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: point of the extent and what she's expected to have

901
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 4: a role in this office is different. But I think

902
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: every time his number has been called upon, he has

903
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: performed well and do have earned the spot. He has

904
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: tells me whatever it was it might have been holding

905
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: him back, whether that was simply another body or that

906
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: was more the mental side of things, Clearly something has

907
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 4: clicked and changed in his favor.

908
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 3: So two quick things. One, I want to know if

909
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: our Steam colleague here, Alex, has ever heard the phrase

910
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: cracking wise.

911
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: Was running our cameras right now?

912
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: Oh says yes, Okay, just checking that was old school.

913
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: And then my other question is I'm not asking about

914
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: the top I'm asking about the top three, But like,

915
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 3: does that mean they don't they don't need to lean

916
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: on any of those other receivers? With Jay Jones being out?

917
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: Were we thinking Jay Jones was going to be playing

918
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: a big role here?

919
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: No, not big not a big role, not considering.

920
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: Say, I still think your fourth wide receiver.

921
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: Safety net in case somebody's shoe gets yes.

922
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd say, you know, ten to fifteen snaps

923
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: in a game's a Jones. I think that might have

924
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: been the plan. But with the team that uses, you know,

925
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: the the tight end so often and you know, with

926
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: such regularity and numbers, I mean, if they're not in

927
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: thirteen personnel, they're in twelve personnel. So I don't think

928
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: it's that big a deal, honestly, as nice a camp

929
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: as I thought Zay Jones had, and I thought his

930
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: joint practice was excellent against the Colts, and he was

931
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: really good in the red zone. Hence my little prediction

932
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: last week about what was it a half dozen touchdown catches?

933
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: I might have got over my skis little and so

934
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: obviously that's rendered, you know, obsolete because of what has

935
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: happened to his season. By the way, I'm just looking

936
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: here the Broncos depth chart, one of their two starting

937
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: receivers was listed as Tim Patrick. He was cut.

938
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: That's true.

939
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: So all those Bronco radio guys that I happened to hear,

940
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 2: as you know, they didn't have much respect for the

941
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Cardinals receiver room. Let's see here. I mean, you got

942
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton, Josh Reynolds, Marvin Mims Junior. Stop me when

943
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: you're scared of any of these guys.

944
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: So Corland Sutton's pretty good.

945
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: Not bad. So anyway, that was I don't know who's

946
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: standing possible.

947
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: So you've got beef with the Broncos.

948
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: Right, Just what is it about you guys and horses?

949
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 2: What are we doing here again? I just I want

950
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: to I want to see Kyler Murray go out there

951
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: and just be the game manager, just distribute the football. Said,

952
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: this is for us, say it again. And I think

953
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: he has enough options, enough weapons, James Connor out of

954
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: the backfield, the tight ends, the receivers. Okay, you know

955
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: it's there's no reason that Kyler Murray has to play

956
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: hero ball.

957
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: Okay anymore? So I hear this and I'm thinking Pro

958
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 3: Football Talk headline Cardinals announcer colon Kyler Murray is the

959
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: new Trent Dilfer brock party.

960
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: You know what, that would be good? If he's accused

961
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 2: of being brock purty this year. Good, that's all the better,

962
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 2: because now all of a sudden, he doesn't have to

963
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: be the best athlete on the field doesn't have to

964
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: create you know.

965
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: It's still a pretty damn good add athlete.

966
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 2: And that's the X factor, right that when needed, it's

967
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: third and eleven and the play breaks down and oh,

968
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: by the way, the defense has their back to me.

969
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: He gone, and he takes off and see you later.

970
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: So that's especially now if teams still feel like they

971
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: have to use a spy, well that's one less defender

972
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: in coverage, and hopefully now the Cardinals can truly take

973
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: advantage of that. I think that's what I hope to

974
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: see is a big difference in the offense this year,

975
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: not not just trying to add a viable and consistent

976
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: passing game to a top five run game, it's just

977
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: having enough weapons where all of a sudden they can't

978
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: double Trey McBride every single snap. And then I'm curious

979
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: how that trickles down to everyone, you know, including even

980
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: someone like an Elijah Higgins, who I think there's one

981
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: guy on offense who's under the radar and people are

982
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: sleeping on that I thought had a really nice camp,

983
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: and they, by design, I'm guessing, didn't show a whole

984
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: bunch of them in the preseason. Elijah Higgins agreed.

985
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: The tight end who made the switch from wide receiver.

986
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 4: Elijah Higgins is one of the players cornerbacks, Starling Thomas

987
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: another who wasn't on the roster this time last year.

988
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: Those were additions after the initial cuts. So Waiver claims

989
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: the lady claims matter.

990
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: So Starling Thomas, Elijah Higgins, Roy Lopez who also.

991
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: Lopez was a free agent. But yeah, he was at it,

992
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: and he was into the season. He was hurt. The

993
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: Texans got rid of him because he was hurt. And

994
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 3: then he signed. I can't remember if it was right

995
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: before the season or right after the season, but he

996
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: was not ready to play right away because he was

997
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 3: coming off the injury.

998
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: But I always say one of the one of the

999
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 2: great gauges of any front office is when they have

1000
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: the ability to know other team's rosters really well, that

1001
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: they instantly know when a guy hits the market, is

1002
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: he better than our fifty second or fifty third guy

1003
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: on our roster. That's when to me, front offices are

1004
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: next level.

1005
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 4: Oh there's the pro scouts. I'm sure have gotten no

1006
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 4: sleep in the last for sure, forty eight hours in

1007
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 4: probably the better bar of the last two weeks.

1008
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, in some ways, it's almost more intriguing who they're

1009
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: going after on the thirty one other rosters that have

1010
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: been released than who they released on their own roster.

1011
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Michael Carter to me is a surprise Desmond

1012
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: rid or a mild supplies surprise just because you traded

1013
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 2: for him. But there's not a lot of shocking news here.

1014
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: But if for the second year in row, not only

1015
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: can you have a twelve player draft class and hit

1016
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: a home run with undrafted rookie Xavier Weaver, but if

1017
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: you can go out and nap two or three guys

1018
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: off waivers, you.

1019
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: Think it'll be two or three probably here, here's what

1020
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm guessing. I'm gonna guess say two. I'm gonna say one. Okay,

1021
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be one because I think they're

1022
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: gonna be looking for the same kind of players that

1023
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 3: the three teams ahead of them in the waiver wire

1024
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: list are. I mean one of them is Carolina, which

1025
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: is still desperate, Washington and New England, and I just

1026
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: think that if there are guys worth it, those guys

1027
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 3: are gonna get claimed in front of them.

1028
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: What bosition rooms do you think they're looking at, in

1029
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: particular the Cardinals.

1030
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: Cardinals, I think you. I think you're still looking at

1031
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 3: edge rusher. I still wonder if there could be a

1032
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: move there at some point, and I would think potentially

1033
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: maybe a backup guard.

1034
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, backup bowl line one, fourth tight

1035
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: end two. I mean, corner would be nice, but you're

1036
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: not You're not You're not going to get a corner

1037
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: off waivers, so I'm not even gonna still have like.

1038
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: A thousand of them. You're trying to develop, So I

1039
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: don't know if you're.

1040
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: And so, And then after that, I would probably say, yeah,

1041
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: outside linebacker if by chance, but if if there's an

1042
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: outside linebacker with half the ability to rush that he's not.

1043
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: He's not getting to you at four.

1044
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: So you know, maybe D line maybe, But for the

1045
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: most part, I'm thinking backup aw line and tight end

1046
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: in that order. And that's why I say two. If

1047
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: they can come up with two waiver claims, I'll go

1048
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 2: with that, and and we'll see. And that has to

1049
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: happen within what twenty four to forty eight hours.

1050
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: So we sit here recording here Tuesday afternoon. The waiver

1051
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: claims have to be in I think by nine, or

1052
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: they get put in at nine am Wednesday morning and

1053
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: then so by early Wednesday afternoon the waiver claims will

1054
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: be assessed and put out there gotcha, or there's like

1055
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: a window to proclaiming and that starts at nine.

1056
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 4: You're a week for the Cardinals hold fourth spot.

1057
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: Fourth spot, yes, but but you're gonna have a lot

1058
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 3: fewer guys getting waved once the regular season starts.

1059
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna end with this. I don't want

1060
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: to start up. I don't want to draw the ire

1061
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: of Darren Orban, but do it. What are the Jets,

1062
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: speaking of pass Rush going to do with his son Reddick?

1063
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: I just want to roll that out there and pull

1064
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: the pin.

1065
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 4: Darren, I don't know.

1066
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 3: That's a fantastic question. It doesn't seem like he's going anywhere,

1067
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 3: does it.

1068
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: That's what the Jets say. Joe Douglas can announce. Two

1069
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: weeks ago, Joe Douglas announced, we told a San Reddick

1070
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: we're not trading him and you will continue to be

1071
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: fined on a daily basis. What are you going to

1072
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: do now that the regular seasons right around the corner.

1073
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, he doesn't get paid any of

1074
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 3: his regular chair the regular season. Who are you saying,

1075
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: what do you do now to the team or to

1076
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: the player?

1077
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, both sides, you're right, both sides. He's set to

1078
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: earn fourteen point twenty five million this year. That's his

1079
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: current contract.

1080
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 3: Power ranking right now as we talk NFL ranking power

1081
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: ranking one to three, one being the least likely to

1082
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: show up, Hassan Raddick, Brandon Ayuk, Trent Williams, least likely

1083
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,720
Speaker 3: and that so you take all that into account, whether

1084
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: the forty nine Ers or the Jets are fixing those contracts,

1085
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: whether they whether they say, whether they say, whether the

1086
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: player just says, okay, I'm coming in. What's your power ranking?

1087
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: Least likely to come into most.

1088
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Sonradic number one, the most least likely to show

1089
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: up because there's no existing relationship with the team zero

1090
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: and they're the Jets. Number two. I will go with

1091
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk Okay number three. In other words, reverse engineer

1092
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: the most likely to show up. I would says Trent Williams,

1093
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 2: because did you see the forty nine Ers O line

1094
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: against the Raiders minus Trent Williams. They were actually playing

1095
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: brock perty with the starting O line. It was atrocious.

1096
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: The Niners have no choice but to pay the man.

1097
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 4: That's why I have mine flipped. I have a son

1098
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: Reddick first, and then Trent Williams, and then Brandon Ayuk.

1099
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 4: I think Brandon Ayuk would be most likely to show up.

1100
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: So it's interesting to me because Trent Williams is getting

1101
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 3: a large amount of money already and three years left

1102
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: on his deal at least. The other two guys only

1103
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: have one year left on their deal.

1104
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: And he's thirty six.

1105
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: Trent Williams, yes, but also he sat out a whole

1106
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 3: year before on principle.

1107
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: So he's also still the best offensive lineman in the game.

1108
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: Not arguing, and you.

1109
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 3: Are not wrong.

1110
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: So I just I'm trying to figure out the Niners

1111
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: gonna do Trent Williams from the idea.

1112
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: That Trent Williams ain't showing up. The forty nine ers are.

1113
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: Caving exactly, and that has to do with what they

1114
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: look like. They're ones against the Raiders. Two's the other

1115
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: night not good, and so in brock Purty, under consistent

1116
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: pressure and no Brandon ayukat there, that Niners offense didn't

1117
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: look anything like what it typically looks like. Under Kyle Shanahan,

1118
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: so we'll see. I'm curious. I have two teams that

1119
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: I think the bottom might fall out this year to

1120
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: a certain degree. Two teams considered elite won the bills.

1121
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: Well see Week one. I think they're falling out of

1122
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: all the top ten and the power rankings. And then

1123
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: number two, I'm tracking the forty nine ers for a

1124
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: couple of reasons, not that they're not talented, but so

1125
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: much other stuff is going on with the Niners consistently

1126
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: going to the super Bowl and failing, and it just

1127
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 2: wears on a team. And then you get to the

1128
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 2: point where guys want their theirs, and you see it

1129
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: with Trent Williams and Brandon Ayuk. Even Kyle Yuschek was

1130
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: asked to redo his contract and take less money. I'm

1131
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: just curious about the vibe, what it's like in that room.

1132
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: I think if they get Trent Williams back, they're fine.

1133
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 4: But otherwise I could see that you could feel like

1134
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: the window is closing and getting to the super Bowl,

1135
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: getting far in the playoffs the year of toear everyone's

1136
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 4: going to want their money and you can't afford that.

1137
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 4: So you're going to start this cycle of cutting this

1138
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: guy or trading this player and trying to keep a

1139
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 4: core and bringing in younger players. Also the natural cycle.

1140
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: They rebuilt their D line. They're sort of searching for it.

1141
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 2: In addition to Bosa and Javon Hargrave, they rebuilt the

1142
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: rest of the entire D line room. I'm curious how

1143
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 2: that comes out.

1144
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: I saw a tweet today that said next year, as

1145
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: of right now, without a Trent Williams change, without an

1146
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 3: Ayuk contract, without Rock party, and there was somebody else,

1147
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 3: They're already scheduled to be thirty nine million dollars over

1148
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: the cap next year.

1149
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 4: Wow.

1150
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: Now, if you do deals usually you can lower those

1151
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: guys cap hits. I mean, you're not gonna be able

1152
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 3: to lower parties. That's going to be The problem is

1153
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: perties is so low that even if you have a

1154
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: low number early his is going to go off.

1155
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 2: But that reminds me of Sean Payton in the last

1156
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: year in New Orleans. He knew it was last year

1157
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: because the next season they were gonna be like seventy

1158
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: something million over the cap, and Sean Payton just pulled

1159
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: the ripcord and said, yeah, I'll take a year off

1160
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: due TV and then hit the reset button and ends

1161
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: up in Denver for eighteen million a year or whatever

1162
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: he got out of Denver ownership. So, yeah, that's interesting.

1163
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: I didn't Maybe that's how they paid for Blue to

1164
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: get down there.

1165
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: Just unlimited funds. It's yeah, it's Walmart money in Denver,

1166
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: so it's just unlimited funds. Have you seen Walmart stock recently?

1167
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 3: Here?

1168
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: By the way, Danny, did you see the Financial News

1169
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: you can use the population of crypto millionaires in the

1170
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: world has soared ninety five percent over the last year.

1171
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: And why what have we told you to buy? Bye

1172
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: by bitcoin ETFs?

1173
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 4: Are you one of those I'm not gonna mention that, Hey, congrats.

1174
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: I didn't hard pass as much success on the bitcoin

1175
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: ets as I did with a poly pigskin breakout players.

1176
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: I can't anyway, So the bitcoin ets falls into the

1177
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: same category as markis Hayes big mouth. I'll just leave

1178
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 2: it at that, tough four pounds, tough deal, tough deal.

1179
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: So there you go. You win some, you lose some,

1180
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: and we're here on Cardinals Underground to cover everything in between.

1181
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Speaker 2: And that'll do it for this edition. All brought to

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