1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Hey fam, Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 2: Coming up today on the bright Side, comedian Michelle Buteau 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 2: is with us, and she's not just making us laugh, 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: she's making stand up her story. It's Monday, December sixteenth. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe and. 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side from 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: share women's stories, laugh, learn and brighten your day. On 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: my Mind Monday is brought to you by Missus Meyers 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Clean Day inspired by the goodness of the garden. All right, 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: it's Monday, Danielle. What's on your mind? 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm thinking about something that came across my Instagram page. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: Actually from organizational psychologist Adam grant So. In his recent post, 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 2: he wrote, the test of a relationship is not how 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: much you enjoy each other's highs, it's how well you 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: support each other's lows. It's really easy to get along 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: on a good day, right, But care is showing up 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: on a hard day. And the most reliable people in 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: your life are the ones who step up when you're down. 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Ooh, yeah, that's truer than true. Is there a specific 21 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: moment or story that comes to mind when you think 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: about friendship during tribulation. 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: Yes, you know this is interesting for me because I 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: have had really good friends disappoint me during hard times 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: and acquaintances really step up. And I don't necessarily blame 26 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: people because I think not everybody is skilled in tough moments, 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: and so I wasn't so upset at the friend, but 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: I have never forgotten the acquaintances who stepped up, and 29 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: that changed everything for me. When I went through a 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 2: really hard breakup years ago, I had a friend named 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: Lauren Gallo who's just kind of an acquaintance at the time, 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: and she would text me every single week saying, hey, Bunny, 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about you, like just little love notes, and 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: for her to care that much went such a long way. 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if she knew how much it meant 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: to me, and it changed the way I show up 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: for people during hard times. 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Bear with me here. I think this is going to 39 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: sound weird, but let me explain. I think there is 40 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: some truth to the idea that misery loves company, And 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: when I think about when I have felt most supported 42 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: by my friends, it's when we're both experiencing something really 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: tough together and we can like find camaraderie and support 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: in that, oh for sure. You know so I think 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: you can. You can find it in unexpected ways. And 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: when I think about supporting each other through lows, I 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: think about the camaraderie that I have with the women 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: who became mothers around the same time as me, Like 49 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 1: that is a bond that is truly unbreakable. 50 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about this sentiment, especially as 51 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: we're in the throes of the holidays, because undoubtedly we're 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: all going to experience some highs and lows, and instead 53 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: of living in those, I'm wondering if we can carry 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: this idea in our back pocket and think, hmm, maybe 55 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: some of these challenge jing moments are going to bring 56 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: us closer together. 57 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: Well, I've got a friend who definitely knows how to 58 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: bring us all together. I'm talking about comedian Michelle Buteau. Yes, 59 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: the Michelle Buteau who created the show Survival of the 60 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Thickest on Netflix, which is renewed for season two. She 61 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: also starred in the movie Babes alongside bright Side bestie 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: Alana Glazer. And you may know Michelle as the narrator 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: of the Circle. Well with her new stand up special 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: she is making history as the first woman to ever 65 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: record a comedy special at Radio City Music Hall in 66 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: New York. Danielle, of course, you know that we missed 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: you for this interview, but I think you're going to 68 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation too. We got to talk about embracing 69 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: your thirties and beyond, some of the unexpected challenges of parenting, 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,839 Speaker 1: plus what's in store for Michelle in twenty twenty five. 71 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: I can't wait to listen Simon after the break my 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: conversation with Michelle Buteaux. Stay with us. 73 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: Thanks to our partners at missus Myers. When it comes 74 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: to cleaning, it's more fun if it smells like the garden. 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: Missus Meyers collection of household products Smell, grate and pack 76 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: a punch against dirt and grime. Visit missus Meyers dot com. 77 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: Michelle Viuteaux, Welcome to the bright Side. 78 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: Oh my god, thank you like in more than one way, 79 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: I hope. 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, We're gonna keep it bright. Maybe 81 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: a little spicy, but we gonna keep it bright today. Yeah, yes, yes, Michelle. 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna laugh whenever I watched your 83 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: special abuteauful mind. Yes, However, I wasn't expecting to cry, 84 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened. When you walk out on 85 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: stage to this standing ovation. I saw tears in your eyes. 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: And the reason was you were performing at Radio City 87 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: Music Hall, which is herstory. You made herstory. You're the 88 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: first woman to shoot a comedy special at Radio City. 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So crazy. 90 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 4: In comedians, when we like do our special, it it's 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: sort of like a wedding because you have an idea 92 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 4: as a baby comedian what it would look like, you 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: know what I mean, and you kind of do what 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: everybody else is doing. 95 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: You're like, I need a maroon. 96 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: Curtain and like a four tiered you know, audience like theater, 97 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: so I can look up and they're laughing. 98 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: But the more you do comedy, you're like. 99 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: Oh, okay, I can do my own thing and that's okay. 100 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 4: And so the one thing I always love with the 101 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 4: special is a really good material, duh. But b like, 102 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 4: just I wanted to feel like a New York City 103 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 4: night out. And so because Netflix has such a crazy platform, 104 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: you know, the reach is far and mind I'm like, 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 4: what about those people in one of those like one 106 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 4: hundred and ninety countries that Netflix is in that's going 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 4: to watch this special and be like I can't go 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 4: to New York for whatever reason, but I feel like 109 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: I'm there, and that's what I wanted. I had no 110 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 4: idea it would be Radio City Music Hall, And I 111 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 4: always ask whenever I rent an apartment, I'm like, has 112 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 4: anyone died here? And anytime and anytime I do like 113 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 4: I look at like a venue for a comedy special, 114 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, what other female comedians have performed here? 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: Because you just want to know, you know, And when 116 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: the booker told me no one, I was like, oh man, 117 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: I gotta do it. 118 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you brought that up. Just the significance 119 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: of performing at Radio City, the fact that you were 120 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the first female comedian to shoot a special there, because 121 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: a lot of probably a lot of our listeners don't 122 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: realize that you actually have to bet on yourself to 123 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: even perform at Radio City as a comedian. What gave 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: you the courage to do that? 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,799 Speaker 4: I feel like, for anyone doing something that they love 126 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 4: doing and definitely taking a chance for themselves doing it, like, 127 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 4: don't ever lose that. So even though I've been doing 128 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 4: comedy for over twenty years, I still treat this day 129 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: like I did day one. What made me think I 130 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 4: could go on stage and make people laugh? I don't know, 131 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: just a feeling instinct, whatever it is. And so I'm 132 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 4: just like, why stop taking answers because honestly, we really 133 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 4: aren't promised tomorrow. I don't care how many Instagram quotes 134 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: you have to read to feel better about yourself for 135 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 4: cutting those like toxic family members off, that's great. But also, 136 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 4: like bet On, you believe in you and do something 137 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 4: fun and scary because you will be stronger for it 138 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: and you'll be smarter for it. Like if it didn't 139 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 4: work out, it would have been a huge learning curve. 140 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: But I was just like, ooh, we gotta try a 141 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: bet On Black lol. 142 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay. So coming from Jersey as a Jersey girl, 143 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: was baby Michelle dying to perform at Radio City? Was 144 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: this always the goal or performing at a venue like that? 145 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 4: No, the goal was go to Radio City to see 146 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 4: the Nutcracker with my mom. Don't lose her hand, don't 147 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: get lost, you know, wait patiently in line for the bathroom, 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: Like no, no, no. 149 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: No, When did you first know you were funny? 150 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, you know you make your friends laugh 151 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: high school. But you know, I am the only child 152 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: and I went to like a lot of different schools, 153 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 4: and I have a lot of different types of family. Yeah, 154 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: my family is Jamaican and Haitian and they've married all over. 155 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 3: It's always that thing where it's like a quick and. 156 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: Hot, fast greeting where you kind of have to make 157 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 4: yourself at home no matter where you go because you 158 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: can't wait on people to do that for you. 159 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 160 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: So I feel like that's really helped me and served 161 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: me in comedy. But in terms of being funny, like 162 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 4: I was just you know, working in production and trying 163 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: to make people like what they did and you know, 164 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: trying to make them look good. And I'm like, God, 165 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: you guys are just like basic bitches. Why do I 166 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: have to teach you, you know, to be passionate about something. 167 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: So I was just like, let me just go and do. 168 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: This because I was kind of just cracking everybody up, 169 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 4: and I'm like, it's not that hard. 170 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 3: But I'm realizing it's not that hard. I feel like 171 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 3: actually funny, right right? 172 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: No, Yeah, you have to be born with some natural talent, 173 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I can remember, so I 174 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: was an only child too. Michelle and I remember growing 175 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: up always being surrounded by adults and also having to 176 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: We moved around a lot, so I found myself having 177 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: to assimilate into different sort of cultural situations. And I 178 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: found that humor became this lifeline for me. If I 179 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: could crack a joke, then that maybe that was a 180 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: way to get in with a group of friends. 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and also to get in with people, but also 182 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: make people just relax, you. 183 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, totally, Okay. I want to sneak peek 184 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: into what the holidays at your house look like, because, 185 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: like you said, you are the daughter of Jamaican and 186 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: Haitian immigrants. What do we got Do we got some 187 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: sorrel cake? What are some of the what are some 188 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: of the delectable items on the menu this year? 189 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: My mom always sends a fruitcake for sure, like just 190 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: a very dark, heavy rum. Is there a green fruit 191 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: in there? Or is it someone's booger? I don't know, 192 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 4: but I think the main main is stewing. We're just 193 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 4: gonna stew some stuff. You know, before it was oxtail, 194 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: but we're trying to be healthy, so we'll like brown 195 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: and is dow some chicken but for the most part. 196 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, it's wine. It's just wine. 197 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: It's a lot of secret ingredient. It's for me, yes, wine. Yeah, 198 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: it's fun though. There's nothing better than like having a 199 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 4: house full of like Christmas likes and like food roasting 200 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 4: and cooking. 201 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: It's like great. 202 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 4: And my husband's Dutch, so we'll get a little like 203 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 4: fond or whatever country Holland has colonized. 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 3: We'll have a little appetizer from there, Indonesia or something. 205 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: You know, it goes what's up surnum woo whooa. 206 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I want to go back to your 207 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: special Michelle. You said something that I thought was so interesting. 208 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: You said you didn't find your voice until you were thirty. Yeah, 209 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: in my thirties. Yeah, your in your thirties. Yeah, what 210 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: changed then? What changed with that decade? 211 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 4: I think it's like one of those things where people like, 212 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 4: when you're forty, you. 213 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: Don't give a shit. 214 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like that's kind of what happened 215 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: in my thirties, definitely for work and for relationship, to 216 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: just advocating for myself, just being okay with telling people 217 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: that's not okay, you know, not being so hot headed. 218 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: It sounds kind of, you know, corny, but really looking 219 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: at things from a holistic standpoint, like I feel really 220 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 4: shitty when I'm around you, And that could be for 221 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 4: a date, that could be with family members, that could 222 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 4: be with a comedy show that everyone thinks I should 223 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 4: be doing, or you know, a festival. And so I 224 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: just kind of really saved myself by saying no. And 225 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 4: then when people had some shit to say, it's like, oh, 226 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 4: if you want to go, we can go. 227 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: Like I do stand up. 228 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: Like I have a sharp tongue, I can hurt your 229 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 4: feelings but also make you laugh about it. That's the 230 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: fucking gift of stand up. So if you want to go, 231 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 4: we can go. But I'm not trying to start from 232 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: that place. I don't want to feel like I have 233 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: road rage all the time because then I'm like giving 234 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 4: people my energy and they don't deserve it. 235 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: That process of getting honest with yourself is so powerful. 236 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: It's something that just started doing. It's revolutionary being like 237 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: I want this thing I want the way did you 238 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: decide to do it? I think I think reading. I've 239 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: been reading some books from like a female perspective about 240 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: desire and rage and want and how these are emotions 241 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: that we tend to just tamp down as women. Yeah, 242 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: so I'm trying to navigate, like, Okay, how do I 243 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: unleash all of these and embody these in a healthy 244 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: and positive way, you know, but also honest with myself. 245 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the most important. That's the most important. 246 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: It's powerful if you can like figure out when and 248 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 4: where and how to use it, It's powerful. 249 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: How has motherhood helped you become more honest? I find 250 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: that for a lot of mothers, we've gained so much 251 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: perspective and we care so much less about the things 252 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: that we used to care about. Do you feel that way? 253 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 4: I feel like I care more about other things now, 254 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: which is so weird and wild. 255 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: To like really pinpoint. 256 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 4: It's really hard to pinpoint where I am and who 257 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 4: I am and what I'm doing. 258 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: When I've never done it before. 259 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 260 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 4: So I'm just like, you know, it's like when I'm 261 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: in those meetings and people are like, do you have 262 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 4: any questions? 263 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what to ask. 264 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 4: I've never been here before, but like, yeah, like I 265 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: my friend Jodan Carlos once told me, like, when you 266 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 4: become a parent, you have to pare it yourself. 267 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: Oh, yes, it's so true. 268 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know what he meant. 269 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 4: I thought he meant like, figure out your hangovers. But 270 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 4: it's like, how are you going to react in these situations? 271 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: How are you going to advocate for them? And it 272 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: could be with anything. It could be with that kid 273 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 4: at the slide that's not sharing the slide. It could 274 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: be with the pediatrician. It could be with the teacher 275 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: where you don't like their tone, it could be truly 276 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: with it could be with yourself, right, and so like, 277 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 4: it's changed me in a way where I'm definitely more 278 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 4: responsible about my health for sure, because I want to 279 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: be here as long as possible. You know, these cute 280 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 4: little souls, they're so good and fun and pure and 281 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 4: they have curly hair, and so I need to be 282 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: around to do that. 283 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: Yes, you do. As mom of a curly headed child. 284 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: I agree. I felt so seen by the way that 285 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: you talk about parenting and your special fun. 286 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: How old are you guys? 287 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: They are three and four. 288 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 3: I have two little boys, my yeah. Do they share 289 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: a room? 290 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: They do share a room? Yeah? And you have two 291 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: five year old twins yeah? Yeah, okay, so I have 292 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: to ask you about this one dynamic that you pointed out. 293 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: You say that your son is on the quieter side, 294 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: but you've got a sassy daughter. Yeah, and your daughter 295 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: brings out that black mom sassiness in you. 296 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: She sure do. 297 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: I am trying to figure out, like how do I 298 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: how do I conscious parent while also like taming that 299 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: nineties black mom that raised me that just like comes out. 300 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: It's a lot. 301 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: It's a lot. Let her say, let her cook, let 302 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: her say, let her cook. 303 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: Like picking the moment is important too, because this morning 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: I was getting the kids breakfast and lunch together before school, 305 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: and I let them watch the tablet while like they 306 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 4: breakfast and I comb their hair and stuff, and it 307 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 4: just it sound as different and you have to really 308 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 4: watch what they're watching. 309 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: I and they found a video. 310 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: I don't know how they found YouTube number one, but 311 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: they found a video about like somebody like shooting Peppa Pig, and. 312 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: It was like it was just like a weird I 313 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: was just like, what is this? 314 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: And then I just like really lost my shit, but 315 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: like in the best way possible. Mama far came out 316 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 4: and I was just like, we don't do guns. Guns 317 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 4: is not part of this house. Guns are dangerous, they 318 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: are violent. 319 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: You don't know what violent is. Al r, let's get 320 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: into it. Aggressive. 321 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: You know, aggressive is okay, and you like use examples 322 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 4: and like, my guns are an absolute no. And even 323 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 4: people who say they know how to use a gun 324 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 4: sometimes don't. And so like, you know, you pick and 325 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: choose those moments where I'm like, look me in the 326 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: eye and tell me that you understand what I'm saying. 327 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: You say yes, mama. And if someone says that they 328 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: have a gun at home or like their dad's got 329 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: a gun and they want to you tell me first yes. 330 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: And so I really kind of fucked their morning up. 331 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 4: They were like in such a bad mood getting in 332 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 4: the van, but I was like, shut it down. 333 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's so so many types of moments 334 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: in situations. 335 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: It's hard, like you know, in public and oh well, 336 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: parenting in public is so rough. 337 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: It's not okay. 338 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: I'd rather I would rather get a perhaps your in 339 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 4: Times Square at five am. 340 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: That'd be more productive for society than parenting. And I'm like, 341 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: oh my god, oh so true. 342 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: How do you and your husband navigate parenting? Do you do? 343 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: You each have different parenting philosophies like is one of 344 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: you the disciplinary and one of you is a little 345 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: more lenient. 346 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're so different, and it like about different things too, 347 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 4: Like my dad was very strict at the dinner table 348 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: with like manners, and you know, it's. 349 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: Like and so like I would like sometimes go to 350 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: bed with like no. 351 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 4: Dinner, and I'm like, I don't want to build anxiety 352 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: around food, you know. Yeah, but that's like that's like 353 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: such a thing, and everybody has a different relationship around 354 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 4: food and like, and so that's just like one of 355 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: the many examples. But you know, again, like you parent yourself, 356 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: and so we're like parenting to get there together. 357 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was always like how did Sunny even share 358 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: work together? 359 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: But it was probably like easier doing something on stage 360 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: together than it was like parenting. 361 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: That's that's for sure. That's what nobody ever tells you 362 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: that parenting is the hardest job. Maybe people do tell 363 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: us that we just don't listen. We just do it. 364 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's like you're dammed if you do, you 365 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 4: damn if you don't. It's always right, is always wrong. 366 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 4: It's just like oh he cares, Oh he cares too much. 367 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 4: Oh he doesn't care at all. It's like, oh my, 368 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: like the what is it? 369 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 370 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: It's yeah. 371 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 4: I think it's very rare to be on the same 372 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: page about everything that's wild. 373 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. I don't think. I don't think. 374 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: I don't think it does. And if you do, then 375 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: your edible is real good. 376 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: The key is disassociation. 377 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. 378 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: Don't ask me to spell it, but I love it. 379 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: It's time for another quick break. We'll be right back 380 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: with Michelle Buteau. And we're back with Michelle bute Michelle, 381 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 1: I am. I'm just so happy for you. You seem 382 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: like you are really loving the work that you're doing, 383 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: loving your life. Like you just seem your passion and 384 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: your or enthusiasm for your work it just jumps off 385 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: the screen. You have started in dozens of films and 386 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: TV shows over the course of your career, but season 387 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: two of your show, Survival of the Thickest Oh my God, 388 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: is dropping next year. Season two's are not guaranteed in 389 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: this business anymore. What did it take to make season 390 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: two a reality? 391 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 4: I mean again, it's just like just the unbridled like 392 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 4: joy and love and passion and making sure that you 393 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 4: kind of like leave it all on the field like 394 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 4: no matter what, like even getting season one done, and 395 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 4: then also out not promise, so like don't do things. 396 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 3: For other people. 397 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, you like work with producers and it 398 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 4: is like a wedding sometimes SCOOPEI has to say, right, 399 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 4: but definitely always put your voice to your stake in 400 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: there and just switch at the fuck up. You don't 401 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: have to do what everybody else is doing, and that's 402 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 4: how you stand out, honestly. So for me, it was 403 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: just inclusion because the hilarity is always like gonna be 404 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 4: there because the bitch is funny. But you know, I 405 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 4: w I wanted to reflect my New York and then 406 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 4: also diversity behind the camera, and so we had all 407 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: female camera ops. We had all female directors this season, 408 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 4: all female directors again of color. We made sure to 409 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: put those casting announcements out with trans mask, non binary, 410 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 4: queer questioning, you know, all of those fucking things. And 411 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 4: it's like fucking beautiful because we have Peppermint, who's a 412 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: beautiful black female transactor. 413 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: And it's so dope because. 414 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 4: Then then when you hire a black trans woman, you 415 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 4: get to have a stand in a body double, right, 416 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: and then you get to hire like an up and 417 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 4: coming black transactress and you're like, Yeah, this is what 418 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 4: the world should fucking be. So this is the future, 419 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: so get into it. 420 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned that you've gone to great lengths to 421 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: really make the show distinct and stand out, and I 422 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: truly think you have. And one of the ways that 423 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: I think survival of this I guess really stands out 424 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: from a shows in the space is the honesty. It's 425 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: just so real, like you're not afraid to show the mess. 426 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: And I know that the show is based on your 427 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: book of essays, was there a particular scene that pleasantly 428 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: surprised you when it came to life, Like you were like, 429 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that came out way better than I 430 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: ever could have imagined. 431 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many catching somebody cheating and like 432 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: having a full on like don't go Jersey on a 433 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 4: bitch and getting to do your own stunts a la 434 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 4: Tom Cruise, Like. 435 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: But is there any other option then going all Jersey 436 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: in that moment? I think that was the only choice. 437 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: No, there's so many Jersey moments where I'm just like, 438 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: just back up and let me do my saying, Like 439 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 4: when I told the director that I wanted to wall 440 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: to work for rialsies. She was like, we should get 441 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 4: somebody to do it for you. I'm like, no, just 442 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 4: figure out your camera angles. We get three tries otherwise 443 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 4: I start getting dizzy. I've done the research in college, 444 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 4: and let me just like shake my footy and I 445 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 4: mean also getting gum on like someone's dick in the 446 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 4: back of a taxis. 447 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 3: It's like just to like even watch it, like come 448 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: to life. 449 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: It's just like seriously and serious and the best way possible. 450 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: It does feel like in early Quansa. 451 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Every day. 452 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 3: I love it. I'm so proud. 453 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 4: And that's the thing too, Like sometimes the best thing 454 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: is just to do it, Like who cares if it's 455 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 4: like gonna work or not. 456 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: Like sometimes it's just about getting it done. 457 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of times that fear stands in 458 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: the way of actually just getting it out there. Okay. 459 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I saw on Instagram that you reposted an article oh no, 460 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: that was titled Young, Fat and Gifted, which celebrated the 461 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: progression of plus sized black women on screen. And when 462 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: I saw this, it reminded me of our recent conversation 463 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: that we had with Natasha Rothwell. And I feel like you, 464 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: you two, and so many other women in this industry 465 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: behind the scenes as well, are leading this revolution that 466 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: is really redefining. 467 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: That's great. 468 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: So what characters look like on screen? Do you feel 469 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: a sense of camaraderie with other black female creators, like 470 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: a Natasha Rothwell for example, Oh, my. 471 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 3: God, of course. 472 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 4: I mean of course, because we kind of started around 473 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 4: the same time. And so there's like this moment, you 474 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 4: know when you used to audition in person like before 475 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 4: COVID for pilot season, and we would always go in 476 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: for the sidekick me Natasha, Nicole Bayer, Dulce Sloan, I'm 477 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 4: forgetting a bunch of other bitches. But it's just like 478 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: beautiful bucks and bitches, and we're just all there in 479 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 4: the room. 480 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: It was really. 481 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 4: Interesting because I think we all realize that we are 482 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 4: only in competition with ourselves because whoever makes it, we 483 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 4: know that you were like paving the way for all 484 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 4: of us, Like you are making us like like some 485 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: sort of like proven entity, right, Like we're so much 486 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: more than just a sidekick, and we're gonna like make 487 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: your script better and help people feel seen. It's that 488 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 4: thing where and I'm so fucking tired of it. But 489 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 4: it's that thing where you do take the chances because 490 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 4: you don't know when you'll have this chance again, and 491 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 4: because you know that someone your size or your shade 492 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 4: shouldn't be the number one of the call sheet because 493 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: we haven't seen it. 494 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 3: And so I think it's one of those things. 495 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 4: Where it's like, well, I've been jumping a lot, and 496 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 4: now I'm gonna jump even higher and kick that door open, 497 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 4: but also leave it the fuck open for everybody behind us, 498 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 4: because no more, no more of that. That's insane and 499 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 4: it's bigger than just like numbers and advertising and making money. 500 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 4: It's like people need to feel whole, they need to 501 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 4: feel entertained and educated, but. 502 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: Also like fucking seen and beautiful. Beautiful. 503 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 4: People need to feel beautiful, and so like that's the honey, hush. 504 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: Well, you do look so beautiful on that show. I 505 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: was watching it with my cousin and I was like, 506 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: she looks so good in every frame, like the glam 507 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: the word break it. 508 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: I'll take it, because you know, half the time the 509 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: makeup artists are just like, can we put more makeup 510 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 4: on you? 511 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: I'm like no, what, No, this is what it looks like, 512 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 3: can we reframe your double chin? No, this is what 513 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: it looks like. 514 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: People are asking you to do that. 515 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: They are because they're so used to actresses saying hide this, 516 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 4: hide that, get this side in my face, shoot from here. 517 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: I need more makeup. I'm waking up, but I need lashes. 518 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: And it's just like or we could just be. 519 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: Ourselves, which is Mavis's whole point in the show, Like 520 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: that is her mo. She wants to help women embrace 521 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: their size and not. 522 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: Hide from it. 523 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Yes, we're in alignment. Were everybody? Yeah, everybody is in alignment. 524 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm sure you get so many women 525 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: who come up to you on the street and men too, 526 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: and people of other genders who come up to you 527 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: on the street and are so moved by your work. 528 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 3: That's got to be so gratifying. 529 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: It is. 530 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: It really is everything because it's for the people. 531 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 4: Who need it, and then when they get it, you're like, 532 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 4: oh shit, this is great. Even and speaking at the 533 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: Black Queer Summit last year for GLAD, there was a 534 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: gaggle of non binary twenty somethings and cute little lesbian 535 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: is with mohawks and stuff. Yeah, all away from Kenyon 536 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: talking about the show, and I was like, what, I 537 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 4: don't even talked to people from Queens. 538 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, from Kenya. What is that flight like? 539 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 4: But it's really wonderful, you know, and the reach that 540 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 4: you have the platform should only excite you, it shouldn't 541 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 4: limit you. 542 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: Okay, your special comes out on the last day of 543 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. 544 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: I'm kind of a. 545 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Big New Year's reset person. I don't know if you 546 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: are too, So I have some questions for you as 547 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: we look ahead into twenty twenty five. 548 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god, come on, Barbara, Well just let's go. 549 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: Let's go. Welcome to a view. 550 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: Let's go starting off, what are some of the truths 551 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: or mantras that get you through life's transitions like a 552 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: new year? Oh my goodness, upgrade, always upgrade, Like you know, 553 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking for new dishes, and I'm like, do I 554 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: go to many seats with the Monday sale? No? 555 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 3: Oh girl, you've dumb. 556 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 4: Macis go somewhere else because something that looks like it 557 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: was made out of clay or something. 558 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: You know. 559 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 4: The point is, yes, I think it's like a great 560 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 4: combination of like what's that song like make new friends 561 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 4: but keep the old. Yes, whatever you really love and 562 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 4: you're attached to keep it if it works for you. 563 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, new friends person at this point 564 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: in your life or are you open if the feel 565 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: is right, if the vibe is right, Yeah, you're you're mad. 566 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 3: I don't know. 567 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 4: But like also, like you know, these kids have playdates 568 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 4: and stuff. 569 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: So I'm mindfully demurely. 570 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 4: Doing the best that can with what I've been given 571 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 4: because it's twits now. 572 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 3: It's twits. 573 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: Yes, that's so true. And they got different sets of friends, 574 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: but they're the same age yea yes, and not all 575 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: those play dates are fun. It's it's no, it's like 576 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: a shashido pepper. It's like one in ten is fun, some. 577 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 3: Like day, some like day. Yes, So it's interesting. 578 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any rituals that you'll be doing 579 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: to ring in twenty twenty five. 580 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 4: I feel the need to do new so new sheets, 581 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 4: new towels, new dishes, new forks. I feel like even 582 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 4: eating in restaurants, especially in airports, like these forks there's 583 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: like energy on them. I don't know how they've been washed, 584 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 4: but so many metals have been on them that I'm 585 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 4: just like, So I feel like the kids will be 586 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 4: turning six in January. 587 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 3: Let's do something new for twenty twenty five. 588 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 4: So I don't even remember the question, but that's what 589 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 4: I'm going to be doing. 590 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: No, I'm getting a clear message. You need new dishes 591 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: and you need I hope, I hope your husband knows. Michelle, 592 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the bright Side. 593 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: Is that it? 594 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was so fun. 595 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: Thank you for making the side bright. 596 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: Michelle Buteau is an actor and comedian. Her Netflix special 597 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: Buteauful Mind, is out December thirty. First, that's it for 598 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: today's show. Tomorrow, we're joined by actor Justine Loop to 599 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: talk about her success in some of the buzziest shows 600 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: of the last five years, including the fan favorite Nobody 601 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: Wants This and Succession. 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