WEBVTT - Miss noTORIous 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.240 Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:17.239 You guys, this is so nice to have us all 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:17.960 together again. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:24.320 Ish, it still feels like covid I'm going to if 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.320 we're on a zoom and not in person, But we'll 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:27.960 get to that at some point. We'll work our way 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:29.760 up to and in person again, because it's been a 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.000 long time. It feels like. 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:32.280 Actually, last time. 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.160 We were all together was Tori's birthday, fiftieth birthday, right. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:42.000 Yeah, didn't we have a Tori? I can't remember. We 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.680 were talking about that idea of yours that we like, 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.239 We had like an one or two in person work 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.360 sessions at Chris's house, but I can't And there was 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.040 one time where rufus my dog. I think he tried 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:55.920 to titty fuck you. Actually do you remember that? 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.440 Which time was this? That happens all the time and 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:01.560 noses either in my. 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.080 Gard but you were sitting on the floor in my 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:10.600 in my living room. He came over and went to town. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.040 And I was like, oh, thank god they still work. Yeah, 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:14.360 I still got them. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.759 Not only are you an animal lover, but the animals 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:18.399 love you back. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.720 This is true, all four of us animal lovers. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.319 Yes, that is true. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.200 Okay, so we should tell my listeners how we all 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:34.680 came together because we're family. Now we've done we're all 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.440 super good friends, and we've worked on many projects together. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.600 We have so the four of us together, so we 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.640 have on the podcast Chris Alborghini and Mike Chessler and 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:52.240 Ruth and Seconda obviously who's always with me. And we 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.400 originally came together because I was with Ruth Ann and 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.560 she was my agent for what twenty five years, not 0:01:59.640 --> 0:01:59.920 at that. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.040 Time, but I ultimately was. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.360 At the time that we put soaories together. You were 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.320 absolutely my agents, right. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.519 But I hadn't been twenty five years at that point. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.120 I was newly your agent. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.400 Okay, are you trying to make yourself seem me younger? 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.919 But I was like, okay, fine. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.960 So Ruthanne was my agent for thirty six years and 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:33.000 then one hundred years, one hundred plus. So it was 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.959 the point in the program where I had done nine 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.960 O two and zero, I had done Scary Movie too, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:45.280 and I was like, I need to create something for myself. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.320 I was out auditioning, had done a gazillion and one 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.640 pilots that didn't go, and I wanted to create my 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:53.280 own project. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.760 But remember the feedback was always that, oh, she's two chores. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:01.120 You were in each of these roles as characters. People 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.560 could not either forget that you were Tori Spelling or 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.200 believe you as somebody who was like financially struggling. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.760 And because people thought, what the story, I know, and 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:12.120 then I. 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.320 Proved them all wrong, and now I still can't get 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:21.480 a job. But yeah, yeah, so anyway, yeah, exactly and right, 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.079 And even though I got cast in that one pilot, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.720 the feedback was, oh, we have to cut that scene 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.000 because they can't believe that Tory Spelling is rummaging through 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.720 a sofa trying to find a quarter to contribute to 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.520 her rent. It just isn't believable. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.680 Yeah, I remember, I remember one. I remember one where 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.840 you you really wanted new shoes, like you were obsessed 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.160 with getting this new pair of shoes that you couldn't afford. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.320 Right, it was like every pilot I was, you know, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.960 because at that time I was in my twenties and 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.240 it was just like struggling with her roommate. And then 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.800 I did Scary Movie two and Keenan Wayans, who directed it, said, 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.720 you know what, I really feel like, you're really really funny, 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.680 and I said, thanks. That means a lot because I've 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.840 been doing, you know, a drama for ten years, but 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.360 I feel like my comedy is my thing in physical comedy. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.880 And he said, you just need to create something that's you, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.359 like how Roseanne did, Like you know, if they can't 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.480 believe that you would be in that place, make it 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.599 a version of you. So he did initially give me 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.320 that feedback. So we took that to heart and decided 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.480 to do something. And then how did we meet you? 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.680 Guys though, because we were also clients at the same 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.440 agency at that time and we had met ruth Ann. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.880 I don't know on what contact we met, but ruth 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.320 A said called us and said, I think you would 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.280 really dig this project. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:48.480 But wait, I remember we actually met you another idea 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:52.160 that you had and it was a good idea, but 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.400 you didn't want you. You didn't choose us. You went 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.080 with someone else. For me. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.800 I remember what the. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.360 It wasn't you, It was who No with Tori. So 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.320 I went with toy. I went with Gavin polog Yeah, 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.680 Gavin Polone, I believe is this correct? And he was 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.200 producing it and I was playing another girl down on 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.960 her luck, you know, like you know, but it was 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.400 an idea and I had he was producing it, and 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.320 I feel like he put on someone. It was an 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:27.000 older gentleman, and yeah, it didn't have traction. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.760 I remember you pitched it as it was kind of 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.400 my favoite year kind of thing. 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.400 That's the one. He's right, And we developed it and I. 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.800 Was on a flight with you from Boston. I didn't 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.040 even know we were on the flight, and I remember 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.160 getting off the airplane at Lax and I saw you 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:46.280 walking towards me, and I was like, toy, I didn't 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.040 know if you were going to remember me. And to 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.000 your credit, even if you didn't remember me, you acted 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.599 like you did and you gave me a big hug, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:55.960 and I thought, I like that, girl. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.599 I know I'm really good at that. I've been trained 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:03.120 well my whole life. Spakine, you make it. That's literally 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.960 like since I was a kid, when like like PTSD, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.040 when I was like five, and be at like some 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.480 huge like spelling like network party and people will be like, do. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.200 You remember me? 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:14.800 And I'd be like, of course. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.040 So it's just like cute. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.240 But what I remember is when we sat down to 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.320 talk about the idea of doing a show that kind 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:25.440 of makes fun of yourself. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.680 You know, this is long before Herb or I. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.160 Mean, any of those shows. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.559 It was before Curb. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:37.039 Correct, No, it was because no, because if you remember, 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.720 actually when we made So Notorious the series, we had 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.120 most of the Curb crew, Like we had that are 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:48.440 fantastic mind producer Aaron O'Malley, We had Dale Stern, we 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.000 had Bill she he'd like and. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:52.160 The great. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:55.000 The wardrobe stylist. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.440 Yeah. Yes, so it was like we actually that's the 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.680 only that's a big reason we were able to do 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.040 So Notorious. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.640 Okay, so you're right, you're right, yep. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:08.960 But toy, you came in with a scrap book of 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.480 every article that had been written to you about you, 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:17.560 a good, bad, whatever, that your dad had collected and 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:22.600 he put together this amazing scrap book and it well 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:23.280 he had put like. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.920 The good ones. But yeah, that's fine pitch meeting. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.560 You took that to pitch meeting, and I feel like 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.120 that initially is what you know, got NBC to pick 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:34.560 it up or to develop it. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:39.119 Yeah. You know me, I'm always prepared and diy queen 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.600 and I like to come in with stuff because I 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.200 feel like it sets the bar higher and gets the 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.960 more invested. So I did take a chance, and my 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:51.679 dad had a scrap book. Is back then tabloids were paper. 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.920 I guess they still kind of exist, but there wasn't 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.240 like it was all over the internet. And he had 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.000 started once with like me on the car like inquirer, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.440 and like he didn't really get like the bad ones 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.640 because he used to say, like bad press is good press. 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.400 So there was like the Haunting Globe one where it 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.400 started all the plastic surgery rumors that I still this 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:17.000 is so annoying you guys, Like I like fifty one, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.720 like I need to get like botox and like and 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.280 like I still I haven't filled my lips in like 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.760 two years, like they're not these are mine at this point, 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.000 and like someone still took a picture of me the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.280 other day and it was like Tori's turned into a muppet, 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:34.080 which I'm not mad at. Like I know which one 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:35.920 they're talking about, and I really like her. I always 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.440 wanted to be her for Halloween. So what's her name? 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:39.920 Not miss Piggy? 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:42.360 No fuck you? 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:45.720 No, well I said, not miss Piggy. Oh I know 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.280 it's one, the one that's Mary Travers from Peter Paul 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:48.920 and Mary is. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:54.160 With that one, that one which I mean it's I'd 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.480 rather get her than Wendy Williams, which I often get 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:02.160 confused with. So I'm moving up. But yeah, just the 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.560 other day or like, Transformation Toys had more plastic surgery 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.320 and I'm just like, I haven't. But it all started 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.760 with that Globe article saying I'd had so much plastic 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.800 surgery and like I'd had cheecken plants and ribs removed. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.400 And I was a seventeen year old girl that had 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.080 a nose job, and I was like, oh my god. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.120 My dad was like it's okay. It was on the cover, 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.840 and he was like good. You know, bad press is 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.960 good press. And this two shell pass. Next week. They'll 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.320 be on to someone else next week. There was a 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.040 new cover, but that one cover triggered a lifetime of 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:39.400 tabloid fodder of people thinking I'm like plastic surgery queen. Anyway, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.480 so that was in there, and then there was like 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.200 a whole bunch of other stuff. There was that article 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.640 where someone had taken paparazzi. I was like eating and 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:49.760 someone had taken picture of me getting up, and it 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.640 was like basket weave like plastic chair and it made 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.320 imprints on my legs and it was like toy spelling 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:57.520 has tons of cellulite. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:58.680 And I remember that one. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:09:59.960 Yeah, I remember that one. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.520 Yeah, it was like that was in there, and then we. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.640 Used that one on the show we did, we recreated 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:06.480 that in the show. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.240 So I'm blanking on the others, but. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.960 It was like, I remember the one. The one you 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.400 I think this was the last one you showed was 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.160 a tabloid picture of you picking your nose in the car. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.280 Oh yeah, actually that one actually was picking my nose. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.000 All the others are actually false, but that one, yeah, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.960 yelled it. Sorry, cars, they're just like us. They picked 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:30.400 their nose. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.520 That was the moment I think Mike and I both 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.040 were like, okay, we want to do this, like when 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.160 you were like, yeah, I can't stop picking my nose 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:38.880 in the car. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.760 No, Oh my god, I'm never getting a date after this. 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.040 At this point I knew, I mean, I was based 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.040 on her independent movies Trek in the House of Yes, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.719 Like I was pretty much like agnostic on Beverly Hills 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.800 nine to Tuana, which I may have never even. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:02.400 Seen gilt that, but yeah, okay, I. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.280 Was just trying to give you a Complimentory, because there's 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.440 a lot of insults coming now. I know. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.720 You know it's hard for me to take compliments. 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.360 So well, you're the right crowd. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.680 Great, So it is true. I had done trick and 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.319 gone to Sundance. I had done House of Yes again, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.600 went to Sundance Critical Acclaim like. I was like, this 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.640 is it, this is my moment, and you know, Little 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.600 Engine that Could. It was like great, great, great, and 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.679 then like okay, start back over, like go out audition 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.800 and we can't see here's anything but tory spelling. It's like, 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.840 but I have all this work that you said you love, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.920 but I'm not getting the jobs. And then scary movie too. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:47.640 I was like, yes, this one's it and nope. So yeah. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.680 I came in with all the scrap books of all 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.240 the like tabloid fodder, and I was like, you know what, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.559 if they're all going to make jokes about me and 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.640 laugh at me, I'm going to beat them to the 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:00.000 punch and be on board with it and be self deprecated. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:03.560 I also came in with my pug, Memei LaRue, and 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.840 I also came in with a tank that I had printed. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.480 Do you remember what it said, I. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:15.440 Didn't know, I don't something like, yes, yes, I dressed 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.360 my dog. What else? 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:19.720 Something about the mansion, the dog. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.320 It was all about tabloid stuff, and at the time, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.560 the tabloids and made a big deal about how Shannon 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.040 and I didn't get along, but there was never It 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.439 was just tabloid stuff. So we just went for all 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.920 the tabloid headlines. And I think it said something about 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:44.640 the manner about I don't know, please find that, and 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.360 I wore it to all of pitch meetings. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.199 I think I might have because you gave us a 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:51.920 copy of that notebook too. I think I might have 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.720 that in a box. I'll clean out the box and 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.480 share it with you if I find it. 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.360 Thank you, because you know I can't find anything that 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:11.360 I've kept. Remember we Okay, So we originally pitched the show. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:16.000 We decided we wanted to do it, and then we 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:21.680 went into pitch meetings with networks. I believe, am I 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:29.480 wrong here? We went to NBC, ABC, CBS box and nope, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.000 what was the one that used to be Channel thirteen 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:38.640 WB And then we went to what was Channel thirteen. 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:43.920 It became like a real network. Channel thirteen started. I 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.360 did a pilot for them. Like anyway, the only reason 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.280 I'm bringing it up is because we pitched it every network. 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.040 I went in and told true stories, and a lot 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.120 of the stories were so far out there they couldn't 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.880 be put into a primetime sitcom. But you know, I've 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:05.160 told them now in my books and and on my podcast, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.319 Like we told the Charlie Sheen story, and we told 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.880 about everyone that lived in my apartment building. We talked 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.600 about Farah Fawcet and Rodney Dangerfield and everybody, and Charlie 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.960 Sheening to escape like through my laundry room and all 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:24.480 of them. Because yeah, so all of that, and everyone 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.560 laughed and they were like there was a little bit 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.600 of like is this real? Like is she okay making 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.080 these jokes? And most of it was like on me, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.600 the jokes on me. But I feel like, I'm I 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.280 think it was upian. So I mentioned that one because 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.640 I remember when we left, Mimi LaRue took a shit 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.840 on their front door, and I was like, because that 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.000 alle's not going to work out. But I feel like 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.040 they did make an offer. Yeah, they tried. They tried, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.000 so we inevitably ended up doing it for NBC. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.080 This might be two Inside Baseball, But Chris and I 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.440 had met with you at UTA and we were like, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.880 we love it. And then Ruthanne called and said, you know, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.440 we're just gonna go out and pitch this and then 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:09.720 when we get it set up, we'll kiss you guys in, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.360 which was like, that's great because we didn't have to 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.280 go out on all those pitches, because that's. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.880 All I thought you were with me. You were with me. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.080 We were not with you? Were I? 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:22.680 Actually you and ruth Anne. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.360 Yeah, And Ruthan just called us and said, we have 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.680 multiple offers. We're too I think we're gonna go with NBC. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.600 And we actually had a deal at NBC at that time, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.120 so it was perfect, Like it was great. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.320 Yeah, that is not too Inside Baseball. That is great 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.320 because it just jogged my memory. I didn't even remember that. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:40.840 I just assume since. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.840 We you guys went out, you know, we already we 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.200 had a pilot at NBC that year with Dennis Hopper 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.440 and then so we didn't even think we were going 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.880 to be able to do it because we already had 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:00.200 the Dennis Hopper thing. And then it turned out out 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:02.440 they were much more excited about your thing than the 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.840 dunnis Hopper thing and we wrote both that year and 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.480 you're you know our show was the one that went. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:16.720 So originally we titled it Notorious, and I think I've 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:20.120 done it like, you know, notorious lowercase t O R 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:25.000 I in the middle uppercase, which we ended up changing 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.640 the name because we couldn't legally get notorious right. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:34.400 Well, I thought it was the song, remember it was, 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.320 it was, it was once we went to v H 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.760 one NBC, let us call it notorious. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.600 When v H one picked it up, there was some 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:46.480 like criminal show, like some. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:53.560 Okay, so we wait, let's go back. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:59.440 So well, remember the Maynard was the executive who bought 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.720 the show. He was under Jeff Ducker at the time, 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.320 and they bought the show and we shot the pilot 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.680 and it was phenomenal and. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.080 We were like, sure it was going to get order. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.040 Chris and Mike wrote the pilot, which was brilliant, and 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:21.480 they were so kind. I mean, although it was loosely 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:28.760 based on my life, not embellished at all, no creative 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:34.439 license there. You know, you guys were kind enough to 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.880 allow an actress to come in and be a part 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.159 of the writing process, which was the first time anyone 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:43.360 had allowed me to do that. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.560 Okay, and I have to jump in with something, and 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.520 it's going to be a compliment because I like making 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:55.840 you uncomfortable, Tory. But but you know, Christ and Mike 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:59.160 wrote the pilot, but we wrote it with Tory spelling 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.160 and we and we broke out. You know, the entire 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.640 plot of that first episode was based on all these 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.680 ridiculous things that happened in your life, and the three 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:13.000 of us very much broke that story together in I 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.119 think it was in an afternoon at my house. I 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.480 remember like it was yesterday, because it all just clicked. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:23.560 We all kind of just bounced off of each other 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.760 very quickly, and it it. You know, you don't always 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.119 have that feeling when you're trying to write a pilot 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.400 and you're like, oh God, is this good? Is this good? 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.960 And the three of us just kind of all it 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.439 just meshed, and Tory when she applies herself as very 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:40.920 good writer. 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.880 I mean, we also agreed on a lot of things. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.000 It's a very specific sensibility and I felt like we 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.960 were very much on the same page about almost everything, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.320 like from casting to production issues and all that. But 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.960 we also I feel like a key part of the 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.439 pilot being so much fun and good was we all 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.400 agree to We were all huge strangers with Candy fans, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.359 and we want Peter Lauer to direct. So we got 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.800 Peter lower who completely got it and we've worked with 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.800 him many times since. He's such a great director. And 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.479 maybe this is jumping ahead, but like the one, we 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.560 were trying to get all these celebrities and for one 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.480 reason or another, like you know, it's that game that 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.679 you always played. But the person who was sort of 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.879 like our holy grail was Faara Faucet because she was 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.560 actually in real life to your next door neighbor. And 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.880 I remember we had to go through this incredible courtship. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.720 My favorite thing is is that we met. We had 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.880 a meeting at your apartment, which is literally next door 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:45.800 to Farah's, and she was like an hour late, and 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.800 I'm like very impatient. I was sitting there like, well, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.760 can't we just go and knock on her door? Like 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:50.720 what is going on? 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.560 You're like, I need a snack? Does we have anything 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:54.000 to eat? 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.120 Oh my gosh, Tory had put out I remember Tory 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.399 put out a plate. It wasn't the most Again I 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.399 hate to say, Tori, it was like crud de te 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.399 and then like cubes of cheese. It was like up 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.360 at like Gelsons or something would be my guess, but. 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:15.040 I miss Gelson's like oursons now. But uh huh, I 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:15.680 keep going. 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.520 I just remember Sarah. Sarah was eating chunks of cheese 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.679 and then she's just like she was saying she started 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:27.479 coffee allergic to cheese. But that was just like it was. 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.440 It was very surreal for us because obviously we Charlie's 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.080 Angels was such a seminole thing when we were kids, 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.640 and Sarah was just like everywhere, and to just meet 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.360 her in person, and you know, she was this very 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.159 you know sweet, you know in her own head, just 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:49.000 a very you know, she's really interesting, funny. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.479 He was funny, like she was willing to play along. 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:53.040 She could. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.119 Definitely she had a slight, funny, dark side tour that. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.880 Was so sweet. We should tell the backstory. So if 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.320 you have not seen So Notorious or read about this 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:10.120 story in my book. It's interesting because I talk about 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.560 potatoes a lot. It keeps coming up, like it was 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.600 like the final straw on the end of my marriage. 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.080 I like chucked my baked potato across the room. Oh, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.240 and then like you know, at my fiftieth birthday party, 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:27.320 there was like the thousand dollars baked potato, Like it 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.480 was like we were all like should we save this? 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.199 Can can we get this on eBay? Like it was 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.439 like we were just trying to fit in, so we 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:39.240 hate it. So it was. But there's a long running 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.479 thing with potatoes in my life. And the story was 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:44.919 that I was having there was a party at my 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:49.800 house and my best friend, who's the dentist, doctor Kevin 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.399 Sans he did my Veneers. Yeah, he's been on the 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.280 podcast and back in the day he was my roommate 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.080 and before he was sober, and he would have these 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:04.679 crazy parties at our apartment, the Wilshure and Farah was 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:10.120 my next door neighbor. And I'm blanking. But anyway, basically, 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.639 oh my god, how am I blanking on my own story? 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:13.240 What happened? 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:17.680 Like they called from downstairs, that's right, they called up 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.760 on like the bat line, like from the concierge, and 0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:27.040 they were like, Farah Fawcett wants to talk to you, 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.760 your neighbor. And I was like, oh my god, and 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:31.960 I was freaking out, and I was like I told 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:34.200 Kevin not to have people over this late. I told 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:37.320 Kevin to keep it down. There's like people are you know, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.919 they're partying and it's too loud, and now I'm going 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.040 to get in trouble. And I'd known her my whole 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.560 life because she worked for my dad and oh man, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.880 and I was like and I tried to like put 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:50.760 everyone else on the phone and be like take the call, 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:53.000 take the call, and everyone else was too messed up 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:54.760 and they wouldn't get on the phone call because you know, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.200 I hate talking on the phone. So eventually I had 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.320 to get on the phone call and I was like hello. 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:05.240 I was like with my little voice and refresh my memory. 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.360 But she was like, oh hi. She was like I 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:14.400 was just wondering if I could borrow a potato, right yes, 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:22.480 And everyone's like what does fairy flace At want? And 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:27.280 I'm like, I'm like, you, guys, she's asking to borrow 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:34.480 a potato. And my friend's like, oh, that's code. She 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.560 hears that there's the party going over on over here, 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:43.680 and it's code for pot potato. She wants hot, And 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.640 I was like, what are you And they're like, invite 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.640 her over. So I did invite her over, and sure 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:54.439 enough she showed up and there were all these kids. 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:59.400 And the funny part is she actually wanted a potato. 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.080 She was like looking dinner and she I was the 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.040 next door neighbor, and she was like, oh, she was 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.159 just curious if I had a potato. But she couldn't 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:09.960 have been cooler. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.879 Because she had carbs. 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:17.280 I forgot. Did he stay? 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:24.240 She stayed and stayed and dayed. She stayed. You guys 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.359 and my friends all lost interest. I stayed with her 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:28.399 to be the good host. 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:29.800 And I was like and she. 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.240 Wanted to see my apartments and I'm like, oh my god, 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:37.000 it's is it clean? People are like smoking weed and 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.159 people are drinking, and I was just like, this is 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.800 a nightmare. Is she going to report me? She's super cool, 0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:45.080 but I turned into like a five year old, which 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:46.720 was probably the last time I had seen her, which 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:48.639 she did Charlie's Angels, and I was just like, oh 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.560 my god, hi, and I was like, she's gonna call 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.920 my dad, like I didn't even know, and here I 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:55.560 am like a twenty eight year old woman, and I 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:59.000 was like terrified. But so then she was like, oh, 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:03.479 she wanted to see my closet and I was like, okay, 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.560 and she came into my closet and literally was like 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.680 looking around and appreciating everything, and it was like a 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.879 nice moment, but I was so panicked. And then like 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.359 an hour later, I was just like, like, someone, get 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.399 your clauset out of here. Like I didn't know what 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.720 to do. Not that I didn't want her there, but 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:23.760 I was just like she stayed. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.600 Who was the rapper who lived in the building who 0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.000 went to jail and blanking. 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:28.280 On his name? 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:31.399 Oh right, And then she came to the couch and 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:35.560 she hung out with my friends. I forgot that's right. Anyway, 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.399 long story short, she never she had fun with my friends, 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.040 and like we brought her snacks and stuff and then 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.120 she left and she never got the potato. But yeah, 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.040 it was just a potato. When we asked her, there 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:52.280 was wait, it wasn't Notorious Bid. We actually lived in 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:52.760 my building. 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:54.240 Night it was night. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:00.560 It was Charlie Sheen. 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:06.600 There was just such a Rodney Dangerfield, Carol Burnette, Sarah Faucet. 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:10.680 Wow, completely random assortment of celebrities in this building. 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:15.359 So anyway, at the time, even though I'm like blinking 0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.320 on specifics of the story now, like at the time, 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.000 I like went into the pitch meetings and told this 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:26.200 story like urbatim and that was one of the main 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.080 stories that NBC was like, we love this story, and 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.480 we actually the whole episode was the focal point was 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.560 getting to that party, the climax of this party at 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.840 my apartment in the in the pilot where Farah Fawcett 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.400 comes and it's just like one thing after another goes wrong, 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.320 and it was based on other things that had gone 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:49.520 wrong in my apartment, like the sea monkey catastrophe and tragedy. 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:53.800 And no one ever believes that, by the way, and 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:54.479 it happened. 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:55.520 No. 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:57.639 First of all, they don't believe I kept sea monkeys 0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.359 alive for a year and a half. And then they 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.560 don't believe that that was like my roommate like spilled 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:03.040 them all. 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.159 Over my bar. Need to ride up. 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.520 I still miss them. But anyway, the network, it was 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:12.399 really important we get fair of Flats because how can 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.400 we tell the story without her, because it really happened, 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:15.399 and we got her. 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.439 It was a lot better we got her. 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.640 I remember, we like gave up a set in order 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:27.199 to be able to afford her. Really, yeah, yeah, there 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.840 was a stand up. We were gonna we were gonna 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.000 shoot at. It was a location we were gonna shoot 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.639 shoot at. The improv with the scene. Remember you go 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.480 to a stand up comic show not knowing that they're 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:45.239 that they're totally gonna make fun of you the entire time, right, 0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:49.120 was this it's in it ended up being, It ends 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.240 up being in the second episode I do it was 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.080 Lisa Lampanelle. It was that you kind of lived in 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.359 fear whenever you went to a stand up show with 0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.800 someone who started talking about celebrities, because you knew of 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:01.679 that inevitably they were going to get. 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.320 To you and right, and it was loosely based. Also, 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.520 no tell me if I'm wrong, No, it wasn't. I 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.160 guess when we went to see Chelsea Handler, Yes. 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.960 Yes, yeah it was, she did not talk about you, 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:15.200 but she didn't. 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:24.600 So Mike and Chris Night, I mean for years, Oh 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:31.320 couldn't shake that one. But anyway, in the in the cast, 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:36.399 there were several characters based on real people in my life. 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.800 So I had my roommate Kevin. We created the role 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:43.760 of Pete, and then I had my best friend Maron. 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.400 We create the role of Sissan, and then we had 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.600 my best girlfriend who was Janie, who was a blend 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:56.120 of I had a bunch of Jennifer, Jenny, Jodie, like 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.880 a bunch of girls in my life that we based 0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:04.080 her on. And then I had a manager that actually 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.040 was not based on ruth Anne, because ruth Anne was 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:11.320 my agetin at the time, but the manager at the time. 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.840 We thought it was a very funny role, and she 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.000 took offence to it. 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:18.800 Hilarious. 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.960 It was hilarious and she took offense to it. I 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:23.760 was like, this is this how you guys see me? 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.720 And like, so Ruthann's like, oh my gosh, I don't 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.080 care put my name on it. Tell her it's based 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:34.680 on me. We're like, okay. So Ruthie Rose was created. 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.720 And then this day we call ruth and Ruthie Rose. 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:41.880 We do, we do? 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:43.680 And I still answer to that. 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.680 And this pilot, you know, Pilot was made for NBC 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.880 and this was the time when NBC and networks were 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:56.720 still where everything was at, and we saw such incredible 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.200 talent for all of these parts. But the thing that 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.080 really Clu, Chris and I away were some of the 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:05.320 people that we met or auditioned for the part of 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:10.680 Kiki Spurling. Wait, what was your Spellman, Kiki Spellman, your 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:11.680 fictitious mother? 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:12.720 Yes, and. 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.000 The Ruthy Rose. We saw all kinds of like really, 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.840 we met all kinds of interesting actresses that we were 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.080 very starstruck by. I mean, I cannot believe the list 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.280 of the names of the people that came through. Yeah. 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:27.920 I remember they tried to make us change the name 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.800 to Spellman, and they ended up letting us call. When 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.920 we filmed it, we were able to use spelling. But 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.840 there was there was that brief moment where everybody was named. 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:42.280 Spellman, right, because the characters loosely based on my family 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.320 were fictitious and very campi and over the top, based 0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:49.880 on what articles and things had come out, and a perception, 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.480 and we really fed into that perception because it just 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.880 it worked for this, you know. But Lonnie Anderson ended 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:04.680 up playing the role of my fictitious mother, Kiky, and 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.600 she was amazing to work with. But I remember Morgan 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:12.480 Fairchild came in, Linda Gray like who else? 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:13.040 Like it was. 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:23.600 Oh, Quel Action Jackson, right, Michelle Phillips, Yeah, Michelle Phillips, 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.240 Leslie and Warren remember. 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.840 Susan Blakelee, Oh my gosh. 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.880 All these amazing people for either some came, some were 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.400 some were just meetings, not auditions, because they weren't auditioning actors, 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.520 but and they were for both parts, for both Ruthie 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.480 and for Keiky. But the other interesting thing was, of 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.040 course all of these actresses, most of whom had been 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.720 huge starlets in the seventies. Of course, every single one 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.080 had worked with your father and had a. 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:57.680 Story right right right, and that was that was, that was. 0:31:58.320 --> 0:32:00.440 I'll never forget that day as long as as I live, 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.480 because we saw everybody kind of on the same day. 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.719 And I just remember the waiting room in our crappy 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:11.280 little production bungalow and looking from face to face to 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.840 face to face and just thinking, I never thought I 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.280 would meet one of these women in my lifetime. And 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.080 there's the entire room of them. It was really incredible. 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.200 Cons Icons sitting to me meet with us. 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:26.440 Yeah, gosh, yeah. 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:31.240 It says so much about how amazing that script was. Truly, 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:36.440 three of you wrote a phenomenal script, hysterical. 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:37.280 Well, thank you. 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.000 We talked about Zachi, Oh yeah, Zach. 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:51.280 And Joe. 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:52.440 We should talk about jokes. 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.680 Yes, I want to get in trouble. 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:57.959 Oh my god, who cares. 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.480 I think those casting people are still at NBC. 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:02.800 You know what, they can deal with the fact that 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:05.080 they made a mistake. They tried to make us fire 0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:10.760 Joe Manganello because they thought he wasn't attractive. I think 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:11.440 they were wrong. 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:14.680 Remember they was in the wording like he doesn't he's 0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:16.800 not he doesn't have star power, star quality. 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.200 No, that wasn't. The word is he's just not sexy. 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:20.080 He's creepy. 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:21.560 He's creepy. 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.240 Yeah, and this I can say this, but no, I 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:26.720 don't want to say because I'm afraid you'll leave it 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.280 in the podcast. But when when we had our first 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.080 round of auditions for the part that Joe Manganella played, 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.640 our casting actors brought in all of these very CW 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:42.160 kind of pretty boys, and I that I think my 0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.000 note was along the lines of can we see some 0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:46.640 guys that look because Joe's character was somebody who was 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:50.000 working on the crew of the fake Lifetime movie for 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:54.400 the f Channel. Tori's character, I'd like to find a 0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.640 guy who looks like he's sort of you know, blue collar, 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.760 would be working on a crew, not like he just 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.360 came from having his hold bleached or something like. And 0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.440 that's how we got That's how the next success gentleman like, 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.520 it was so odd. I mean he was great great. 0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:13.880 Good thing HR was different back then. 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.960 Good thing HR was different. And also just to give 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.959 credit to Mike, it was a very good description because 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:24.200 it got us exactly who we wanted, by the way, like. 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:30.040 So dreamy and hot. It's crazy to think that anyway. Yeah, 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.880 but we're going ahead. Can you talk about Zach first? 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris, do you want to talk about that? 0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:37.560 Yeah? 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.480 Yeah, So the role of my best friend Maron, who 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.120 was my gay best friend, my usband in life, friends 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.279 since we were fifteen. It was a real important role 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.719 to me because he's like my partner in crime through 0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:55.040 life and that it was a really really great role 0:34:55.360 --> 0:35:00.440 and we saw a lot of people had it work. 0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.360 Next well, we saw a ton of people and nobody. 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:08.040 Nobody was right and there were like some almost and 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.120 you know sometimes you see a lot of people for 0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.080 a part and you start talking yourself into thinking, well, 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:18.600 person could do it, and that there was no real 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:26.040 slam dun. Yeah, And Zach Quinto came in to read 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:30.279 for Pete, for the Pete character, and there was just 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:34.480 something so lovable about him, and we kind of all 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:36.759 looked at each other and then we looked at him 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.920 and we're like, listen, we know you haven't prepared for this, 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.480 but could you read the other part? Could you read 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.000 for Sisan was the character's name, and he was game. 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.120 He was like, yeah, I was in the room and 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.640 read with the actress so we could instantly see if 0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.400 it clicked. And by the way, Pete was like the 0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:58.560 all American like streak guy, like you know, pussy hound, 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:03.000 and like, so so was my gay best friend and yeah, 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.360 so on the spot, Zach went and came back in 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.280 and blew us away. 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.800 Blew us away. Well, I don't know if you remember this, 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.800 but we almost lost him to another pilot. Tory and 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.120 I were on the phone with his agent all night. 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:23.520 Do you remember this with zachon trying to got him 0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.239 to do with Zach's agent trying to get him to 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:29.719 do our show instead of instead of the other one. 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.000 So, if you don't understand what we're talking about, if 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:38.080 it is too insidery, Basically, it was pilot season and Zach, 0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:43.040 who is an unbelievable actor, had gotten read for multiple things, 0:36:43.120 --> 0:36:47.319 had gotten offers for two pilots, it both, you know, comedies, 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.720 and ultimately he had to choose which one he wanted 0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:53.919 to do, and we were like, there is nobody else 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.880 for this role. He is the son. It was like 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:00.520 it was perfect and we were just are you begging? 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.960 Yeah, like we were begging. And we had to like 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.640 put him on tape the next morning to get it 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.480 sent to NBC because they were shut down that day 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:13.319 for a diversity seminar or no, no, it was an 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:18.480 ethics jar. They were shut down for and not from 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.040 Mike and and they watched the tape. They watched the 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:25.640 tape on their coffee break or something and and loved him. 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.800 We were able to then offer it to him so 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.479 that he didn't even get to test for the other part. 0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:35.160 We're right, okay, which at the time amazing, And he 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:39.560 was understand like, once you're established and you're a big name, 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.080 that's a luxury to be able to be straight get 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:47.440 a straight offer. But at the time Zach was unknown, 0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.200 and you know, this is before Star Trek and you know, 0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:56.440 before everything for American Horsestory and just everything. Amazing. He's done. 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.080 Yeah, he had been, he had he had been on 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:01.160 twenty four. He had like a recurring on twenty four. 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:02.239 That was this big thing. 0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:05.040 So when you're at that point, you go in and 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:10.120 read and audition, and networks never sign off on you. 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.120 You have to literally go and test for them. It's 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.880 called in person. So to get them to even agree 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.640 to let him go on tape and then they would 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.640 sign off on him was a huge undertaking in itself. 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:23.080 Correct. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:28.440 Yeah, yeah, but we got him. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:30.239 Yeah. 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:36.480 So we had a great cast and and Janetta, you know, 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:40.560 I gotta like mentioned Janetta Arnette as Ruthie Rose and 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:46.440 Cleo King as Nanny was so funny, so good. I mean, 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:49.120 I can still hear some of the lines, like they 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:50.800 just they just they were just great. 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:57.000 And we tortured poor James Carpinello with so much pizze stuff. 0:38:57.520 --> 0:38:59.799 The best he had to say, some of the most 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.160 disgusting things, disgusting. 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:10.480 I took it like a trooper. So we and let 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.600 us just set the stage literally set the stage. We 0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:19.480 replicated my real apartment, my condo, the Wilshure, which was 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:25.080 really shabby chic at the time, and we replicated it 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.520 exactly on set, and it was pretty cool, like it 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.920 had the same like kitchen and like everything was kind 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.560 of laid out the exact same when you watch the 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.320 show as my og apartments that I was living in 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.200 when I actually filmed this. So we made the pilot. 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.680 It was great, and then what happened. 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:52.000 So then what happened is this was when NBC was 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:56.759 part of GE, the huge conglomerate that also made airplane 0:39:56.840 --> 0:40:00.360 engines and power plants and all kinds of stuff. So 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.600 every decision went through many, many layers and ultimately went 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.840 to like the people who were making air conditioning and 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.839 widgets and airline engines. So the pilot had a lot 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.439 of support, and we were told we were getting picked 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.520 up and had our travel booked to go to the upfronts. 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:22.520 And I had great Hawa, Yeah, I was in Hawaii. 0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:23.960 So I was in Hawaii and there's like you have 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:26.080 to come. It's like I got a call one day 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:27.960 this is good news and bad news. You have to 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.000 come back early because you're going to get picked up, 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.520 and we booked your travel, change your travel. So I 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.480 changed my flight so I could come back early to 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.440 make the flight to the upfront. Then the next day 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:42.320 they called and said, actually, sorry, it didn't happen. You 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:43.840 don't have to But at least you don't have to 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.400 come back you're in Hawaiian And I said, fine, but 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.239 you better fucking pay for me to change my flight? 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:50.240 Was your concern? 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:53.240 Of course, Yeah, of course, of course, hello. 0:40:55.040 --> 0:41:00.120 Yeah, So yeah, every season networks. It's different now, but 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.560 back then, you know, there were the main primetime networks. 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:07.520 There were no streaming networks yet. We would have been 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.360 thriving on a streaming net But I know, and I. 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.440 Cory, you were at the Kentucky Derby, if memory served, 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.200 and I was in I was in can Kuon and 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.240 I you know, I was bummed that the show didn't 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:26.240 get picked up, obviously, but I was also bummed because, 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.800 like I felt like we had this creative connection that 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.040 you know, we haven't always had on other shows that 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:39.280 we've been on, where you know, it was just easy instantly, 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.640 we kind of all the three of us all thought alike, 0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.399 and we found the same things funny, and we found 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:50.640 the same you know, character attributes interesting. And the loss 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.440 of that was like so upsetting to me that I 0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.160 remember leaving you because of course you didn't pick up 0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.840 your phone even back then, I remember calling you to 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:00.440 I was at. 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.040 The Kentucky Derby first time. 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:07.840 Ever, Yeah, I know. And I remember leaving a voicemail 0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:13.160 on your answering machine where I started to cry, God, 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.480 chriss drama. 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.759 What you made that call to me? 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.080 Correct I did? 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:21.320 Yeah, I was. 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:22.960 I was the voice of doom. 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.000 Yeah. I've gotten that call many times in my career 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.520 for her, but clearly that was. 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:33.240 One of the more devastating moments. 0:42:33.680 --> 0:42:38.520 You put your blood, sweat, tears, and we knew how 0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:44.839 it was Mike, and and uh yeah, we put so much. 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.279 I mean just editing alone. Remember being that editing bait 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.520 on like a Friday night, like all night long, we'd 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.480 be there to almost like the sun was coming up, 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.880 and again would come by and Vernon would come by. 0:42:58.239 --> 0:42:59.960 Remember Mike falling asleep. 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:01.080 He would always fall asleep. 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:02.960 And you have that picture taking pictures. 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.919 We couldn't post, there's no posting, but there was. Yeah, 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.480 I would take I'd be like Chris, like, I'm such 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.960 a dude somewhere deep down, I'm like, take a picture 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.320 of this. And it was like Mike sleeping. We'd always 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:17.920 take pictures of Mike falling asleep. Granted it was like 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:19.960 three in the morning, he'd been working all day and 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.120 night like and it was just editing and he was 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.120 on the couch. But like, take a picture of me 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:32.480 flirting on Mike's face. Yeah, he does. 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:37.520 Does one thing to put back maybe backtrack just a 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:40.560 little bit that I think maybe Bears mentioned is the 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:43.840 fact that we were all also ab Fab fans and 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.919 we loved the way that ab Fab use little flashbacks, 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.800 and that inspired us to come up with our own version. 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:51.719 And I think I'm I think I mean to give 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:53.640 most of the credit to Chris who came up with 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:58.760 that every every flashback, but we led into a situation 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.760 where Tara wasn't comfortable or trying to explain something weird 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:03.960 or something that was off, and then she would say 0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:05.640 what they'd ask her, like, Tory, what the fuck why 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.840 are you doing that? You go to the flashback and 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:09.560 then you come back and Toy be like, I don't know, 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.320 I know, yeah, I remember that. 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.120 Brilliant that was specifically, that whole thing came out about 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:20.000 because Tori, your story about how your mom used did 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:26.040 take you to a little people shop to get shoes 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:31.600 for true story, so like what they like for designer shoes? 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:31.960 Right. 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.759 I just told this story recently to someone and they 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:39.680 were like, no, that existed. I'm like, oh yeah, and 0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.759 back when I was young, I'm fifty one, like there 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.800 weren't shoes. So for Halloween costumes because like Nolan Miller 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.640 who did the fabulous like Dynasty wardrobe and for every 0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:54.920 celebrity back then, huge stars and Elizabeth Taylor and like Betty, 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.680 you know, everybody, and he would design my costumes for 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:03.319 Hall of And I think he had told my mom 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:05.239 there's a place at the time it was like in 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:09.920 the Deep Valley and it was a little person's store 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.920 that had shoes, so she would go. Instead of getting 0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:14.560 like shoes for a five or six year old, she 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.320 was just able to get what like adult shoes and 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:21.239 heels for five or six year old and she would 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:21.719 take me there. 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:22.879 Yeah. 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:29.800 Yeah. And the network love of your story, the funny 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:32.560 stories of you as a child, you know that and 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.800 then making snow in the backyard and you know some 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.879 of the more famous ones, and we were like, how 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.279 can we incorporate those stories because the show takes place 0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.120 in the present time, and that's why we ended up 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.360 doing the flashbacks, and it was always tied to you. 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.200 You know, you were at Kitson and there was a 0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.279 little person you know, trying to reach something and you 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:56.000 went off on the sales manager for not helping the 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.560 person faster, and then your friends are like, what is 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:02.279 up with that toy? And then we'd flash back to 0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:06.839 being little toy, a little person who, by the way, 0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:08.640 was played by the girl. 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:20.879 From Harriel Winter Family. Yeah, I want to talk about 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.880 quickly the call I cut at the Kentucky Derby. Now 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:29.080 here's the thing. This was like we were praised. I 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:31.439 just done this pilot. I was going to be back 0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:36.000 right like everybody is at NBC, and I was like, oh, yeah, 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.840 my career's back. Everything's going great. I got invited to 0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.759 the Kentucky Derby. So I had been friends. We knew 0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.240 each other since we were like in our late teens 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.160 with Rachel Zoe the stylist, but by that point she 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:54.760 had become huge and it was like a fortune booker. 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.399 But I was like, I need to look really good 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.520 for my first Kentucky Derby because I'm gonna have, you know, 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.840 a series on NBC this year and I'm back bitches. 0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:10.120 So I like booked her and went and she did 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:14.080 all my clothes styled it anyway, when I got that bill, 0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.919 and I think she even gave me a discount because 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.200 we had been long term friends. I was just like, 0:47:19.840 --> 0:47:21.719 it was wild, you guys. I think I spent like 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.800 thirty thousand dollars to go to the Kentucky Derby and 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:28.560 I had hats, an outfit and the styling and I 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.160 was like, oh my god, this is amazing. And while 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.560 I was there, like Lindsay Lohan was coming in to 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.520 pick up her stuff and Nicole Ritchie was there, and 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.000 I was just like, yeah, this is like the world 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.520 I was supposed to be born into. I mean, let 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.480 me rephrase that, whoa Fredi and slip. This is the 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.319 world I was born into and now I'm back into 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.800 this world. So granted, I'm at the Kentucky Derby, like 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.399 dressed to the nines. It was like not the hat night, 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.720 it was like the night before. So I'm in black 0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.840 tie and everything's done. I have this amazing using outfit 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.799 on this ball gown. And I get a call from 0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.360 Ruth Anne because we were anticipating the official pickup, and 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:12.360 I turk her call and you said you should go 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.680 somewhere where you can hear me speak, and I'm like okay, 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:16.120 And I was like, oh, she's about to tell me, 0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.520 like it's a go. So I go into the bathroom 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:24.080 and there's bathroom stalls and I'm in the bathroom and 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:29.439 you tell me the show did not get picked up? Yeah, yeah, 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:34.160 and instead they picked up it was between two My 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:39.680 Name is Earl, which is an amazing show and had 0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:41.880 huge success for them in longevity. 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:47.520 But I was just like it was devastating. 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.600 It was devastating for me too, for all of us 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:55.319 because it just it was so funny and smart and innovative, 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.440 and it was just like we we didn't miss a 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.840 beat here the cow, like the writing and it's just 0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:04.680 the wardrobe was so amazing. 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.239 Everything about it. It was you know, even if the 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.520 curb was already out. This was a really unique It 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.640 was because that people hadn't seen before. 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.800 Because everyone knew who Tory Spelling was exact, they perceived 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.160 Tory Spelling to be Larry David is different. He came 0:49:22.280 --> 0:49:24.640 here from he was behind the scenes and then in 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.480 front of the camp. This was different. 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:31.440 The celebrity to be making fun of themselves and not 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:33.759 just in a sketch on Saturday Night Live. 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:38.640 But right I was like ball to the wall, Like yeah, anyway, 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:43.520 and I remember afterwards, just being like devastated. And that's 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.120 when I was sitting there and Tara Reid was there 0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.560 and she was in the next stall, and she was like, 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:53.440 are you okay? And I was like, I'm not. Like, 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:56.680 I just did a pilot and it just wasn't picked 0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:59.719 up and and I co created it and I'm so 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:01.839 crowd of inn this is going to be my big thing. 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:06.279 And I had known her for years, like through American Pie. 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:09.919 We became friends and like after that and like part 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:13.239 of like Hollywood, you know. And she was like, oh, 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:15.759 she was like, you know what, we should do a 0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:20.239 show together. And we were laughing and like territory and 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:24.919 I was like, oh, yeah, that would work. And yeah, 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:28.399 so I remember that night. I was so I got 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.640 wasted that night because I was so bummed. She took 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:33.640 me to a few parties. I think that's the party 0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:38.440 where yeah, I flirted with Tom Brady and then sucked 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.960 Usher's finger and I was like, I'm sorry, you guys, 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.960 I'm having a moment here and my show just wasn't 0:50:43.000 --> 0:50:45.319 picked up. So everyone doing a break. If I'm letting 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:46.000 loose too much? 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.200 Can you Then for a second, I think I remember 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.640 I remember the ushering that. 0:50:52.640 --> 0:50:55.439 To bring it up, can we go into a little 0:50:55.480 --> 0:51:02.760 detail on the usher finger incident? How did that happened? 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:11.520 Exactly? Chris. What I remember is being in cancuon feeling 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:16.279 so bad about this. Then the news had broke and 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:19.840 I knew that Tory knew, and then I saw something 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.120 on Perez Hilton or one of those things, and I 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.360 was like, oh God, now she's sucking us hers finger. 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:30.600 We it was captured. I thought I was the only 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:31.759 one that knew about it and told you. 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.160 No, like it was no, no, no, it was it 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:35.160 was it was somewhere. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:35.480 Yeah. 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:38.799 Actually that also reminds me this was the time when 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.000 Perez Hilton was just like it. He was just huge 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.200 at this point in time, and he was obsessed with 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.120 Tori on this show, and didn't he come to set 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:48.920 and like pitch ideas or something. 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.680 That's yeah, I think we were going to have him. 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.200 I later went on to have him on my reality 0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:58.040 show and we've since stayed friends. But like, yeah, you're right, 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.800 I don't know. We were like, uh, Tara Reid introduced 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:03.440 me to Tom Brady. She was like, I'm gonna take 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:08.000 you to this party and then we were with Kid 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.759 rock and it was just one of those things. It 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.800 was like one and one of these things is not 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.600 like the other. It was just the entire night, I 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:21.759 was just like, God, this sucks because this show is 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:25.520 based on these crazy stories that happened in my life 0:52:25.640 --> 0:52:29.360 that no one would believe. Here it just wasn't picked 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.000 up and I'm living it right now. And all I 0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:34.040 wanted to do was tell Mike and Chris, like, Uh, 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.239 this just happened with this person, this person, Let's write 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:40.239 it into an episode because it was brilliant, like the 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.920 show wrote itself. And yeah, and it wasn't picked up. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.040 But anyway, I don't know. We're at some party and 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.239 we're dancing and I was dancing with Usher and I 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:54.480 feel like he put his finger to my lips and 0:52:54.840 --> 0:53:01.640 I sucked it. I'm not not at that Usher's hot, 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:03.880 but like, yeah, it didn't go any further than that. 0:53:04.160 --> 0:53:04.560 And then. 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:10.000 Anyway, but the next day it was the Kentucky Derby. 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:13.000 So I'm in my huge hat, I've had a night, 0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:15.719 I'm hungover, and my show was just not picked up. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.680 So I'm at the Kentucky Derby and the whole time 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.479 I'm not focused on the Kentucky Derby and in fact, 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.880 all my friends are there and they're betting on the races, 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:30.399 and like everyone the horses were behind me. So many 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:35.880 jokes there, But I was focused because I was on 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.320 the phone. And that's when I had to call Zach 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.600 and he was like, oh my gosh, what's going on? 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:44.040 And is there a chance? Ruth and we were on 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.840 the phone, and we were that day even though it 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:49.239 was like a Saturday. We were like, we got to 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:52.320 call another network. We got to call just call a network. 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.080 We can't let this go like Monday morning. 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.120 But like, by the way, by the way, back then, 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:58.840 you could just call another network. 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:02.400 I mean that it was about like using one against 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.280 the other and who did you know at what place? 0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:08.200 I mean, I wish it was still like that, but. 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.360 I just remember like calling Zach and calling James and 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.759 like reassuring them being like, no, this isn't the end, 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.440 Like this show is going to get picked up. I 0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:21.160 promised them. And anyway, long story short, the show did 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.680 get picked up. The pilot, we got it made it 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:28.120 VH one, which was at the time they had no 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:32.120 It was the first scripted show correct yep, yep, which 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.759 to our demise as well. But it was they took 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.440 a chance on us, and they thought it was the 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:43.640 perfect project to launch them into script scripted. But so 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:50.640 we did a season, ten amazing episodes, amazing and it 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:53.600 at the end of those ten episodes, we were told 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:58.440 it just wasn't working, even though we like the write 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:01.480 ups were like it's always a kiss of death and 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:03.840 critics like crazy, we. 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:07.360 Got grave reviews. Each one was was a company that 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:10.880 they had the best intentions. They they want you know, 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:12.680 they really thought they were going to go into the 0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:16.560 scripted programming business. And they they they spent a lot 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:20.200 of money on our show, even though for us, because 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.440 we were used to network, we were used to much 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:25.479 higher budgets, so we were doing things with much less 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:27.640 money than any of us had ever done anything with. 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.440 But to them, it was more money than they'd ever 0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.520 spent on anything. Yeah, and and and as much as 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:37.560 they loved the show, you know, they put us on 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.160 first of all, at ten o'clock on was it a 0:55:40.239 --> 0:55:45.600 Sunday Night? Sunday Night rais Anatomy at which which you 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:50.719 know was was the number one show on television. Yes, 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:55.759 and yeah, and I think at the end of the day, 0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:58.000 it was just too expensive for them to you know, 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.400 try to try to continue and every foray that they 0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.440 ever had and descripted in later years because we did 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:07.440 another one with them many years later, they just they 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:11.040 get too scared of spending the money, and ultimately that's why, 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.080 you know, that's why it went away. 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:17.160 I remember at the time being like, oh, you know, 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:20.279 because it was like, oh, I'm doing this great show. 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:22.400 It's going to get picked up. Oh didn't get picked up. 0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:25.480 Oh but the show A little engine that could. It's 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.840 going to be now on VH one. We're doing a 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.600 series first season, and everyone's like, great, is it going 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.239 to be picked up after that? Like same combo at 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:35.840 the end of the season, like James and Zachie were like, 0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:37.640 what do you think, And I'm like, you guys, not 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.960 a chance. This isn't getting picked up. And I just 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:44.560 remember at the time being like, well, my joke was, 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:49.000 you know, they're they're more interested in doing like reality 0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:51.760 where like someone's like a contestant shitting in the corner 0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.760 and you get going on a date, which I believe 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:59.359 was based on a show Flavor of Flave had where 0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.880 he was trying to find love. Flavor flav right, and. 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.680 Yes, I remember. 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:08.840 Literally she was standing there for so long waiting, you know, 0:57:09.120 --> 0:57:11.040 like to see if he was gonna pick her, and 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:13.160 she they didn't let her go to the bathroom that 0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.160 she literally ship herself And that was like big TV. 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:20.400 And it's like wow, and we're writing like our asses off, and. 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:26.760 It's calling and being like why did we bother writing scripts? 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:29.520 Why didn't we just have her shit on the floor 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:30.920 to do what if we did 0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:32.600 Of course I would