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Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tori Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: You guys, this is so nice to have us all

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Speaker 2: together again.

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Speaker 3: Ish, it still feels like covid I'm going to if

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Speaker 3: we're on a zoom and not in person, But we'll

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Speaker 3: get to that at some point. We'll work our way

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Speaker 3: up to and in person again, because it's been a

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Speaker 3: long time. It feels like.

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Speaker 2: Actually, last time.

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Speaker 1: We were all together was Tori's birthday, fiftieth birthday, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't we have a Tori? I can't remember. We

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Speaker 3: were talking about that idea of yours that we like,

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Speaker 3: We had like an one or two in person work

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Speaker 3: sessions at Chris's house, but I can't And there was

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Speaker 3: one time where rufus my dog. I think he tried

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Speaker 3: to titty fuck you. Actually do you remember that?

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Speaker 4: Which time was this? That happens all the time and

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Speaker 4: noses either in my.

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Speaker 5: Gard but you were sitting on the floor in my

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Speaker 5: in my living room. He came over and went to town.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, thank god they still work. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I still got them.

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Speaker 3: Not only are you an animal lover, but the animals

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Speaker 3: love you back.

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Speaker 4: This is true, all four of us animal lovers.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that is true.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we should tell my listeners how we all

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Speaker 4: came together because we're family. Now we've done we're all

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Speaker 4: super good friends, and we've worked on many projects together.

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Speaker 4: We have so the four of us together, so we

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Speaker 4: have on the podcast Chris Alborghini and Mike Chessler and

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Speaker 4: Ruth and Seconda obviously who's always with me. And we

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Speaker 4: originally came together because I was with Ruth Ann and

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Speaker 4: she was my agent for what twenty five years, not

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Speaker 4: at that.

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Speaker 2: Time, but I ultimately was.

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Speaker 4: At the time that we put soaories together. You were

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Speaker 4: absolutely my agents, right.

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Speaker 1: But I hadn't been twenty five years at that point.

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Speaker 1: I was newly your agent.

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Speaker 4: Okay, are you trying to make yourself seem me younger?

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Speaker 2: But I was like, okay, fine.

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Speaker 4: So Ruthanne was my agent for thirty six years and

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Speaker 4: then one hundred years, one hundred plus. So it was

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Speaker 4: the point in the program where I had done nine

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Speaker 4: O two and zero, I had done Scary Movie too,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I need to create something for myself.

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Speaker 4: I was out auditioning, had done a gazillion and one

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Speaker 4: pilots that didn't go, and I wanted to create my

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Speaker 4: own project.

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Speaker 1: But remember the feedback was always that, oh, she's two chores.

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Speaker 1: You were in each of these roles as characters. People

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Speaker 1: could not either forget that you were Tori Spelling or

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Speaker 1: believe you as somebody who was like financially struggling.

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Speaker 2: And because people thought, what the story, I know, and

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Speaker 2: then I.

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Speaker 4: Proved them all wrong, and now I still can't get

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Speaker 4: a job. But yeah, yeah, so anyway, yeah, exactly and right,

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Speaker 4: And even though I got cast in that one pilot,

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Speaker 4: the feedback was, oh, we have to cut that scene

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Speaker 4: because they can't believe that Tory Spelling is rummaging through

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Speaker 4: a sofa trying to find a quarter to contribute to

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Speaker 4: her rent. It just isn't believable.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember, I remember one. I remember one where

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Speaker 5: you you really wanted new shoes, like you were obsessed

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Speaker 5: with getting this new pair of shoes that you couldn't afford.

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Speaker 4: Right, it was like every pilot I was, you know,

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Speaker 4: because at that time I was in my twenties and

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Speaker 4: it was just like struggling with her roommate. And then

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Speaker 4: I did Scary Movie two and Keenan Wayans, who directed it, said,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I really feel like, you're really really funny,

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Speaker 4: and I said, thanks. That means a lot because I've

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Speaker 4: been doing, you know, a drama for ten years, but

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Speaker 4: I feel like my comedy is my thing in physical comedy.

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Speaker 4: And he said, you just need to create something that's you,

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Speaker 4: like how Roseanne did, Like you know, if they can't

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Speaker 4: believe that you would be in that place, make it

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Speaker 4: a version of you. So he did initially give me

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Speaker 4: that feedback. So we took that to heart and decided

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Speaker 4: to do something. And then how did we meet you?

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Speaker 3: Guys though, because we were also clients at the same

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Speaker 3: I don't know on what contact we met, but ruth

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Speaker 3: A said called us and said, I think you would

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Speaker 5: But wait, I remember we actually met you another idea

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Speaker 5: that you had and it was a good idea, but

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Speaker 5: you didn't want you. You didn't choose us. You went

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Speaker 5: with someone else. For me.

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Speaker 3: I remember what the.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't you, It was who No with Tori. So

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Speaker 4: I went with toy. I went with Gavin polog Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Gavin Polone, I believe is this correct? And he was

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Speaker 4: producing it and I was playing another girl down on

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Speaker 4: her luck, you know, like you know, but it was

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Speaker 4: an idea and I had he was producing it, and

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Speaker 4: I feel like he put on someone. It was an

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Speaker 4: older gentleman, and yeah, it didn't have traction.

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Speaker 5: I remember you pitched it as it was kind of

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Speaker 5: my favoite year kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: That's the one. He's right, And we developed it and I.

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Speaker 5: Was on a flight with you from Boston. I didn't

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Speaker 5: even know we were on the flight, and I remember

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Speaker 5: getting off the airplane at Lax and I saw you

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Speaker 5: walking towards me, and I was like, toy, I didn't

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Speaker 5: know if you were going to remember me. And to

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Speaker 5: your credit, even if you didn't remember me, you acted

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Speaker 5: like you did and you gave me a big hug,

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Speaker 5: and I thought, I like that, girl.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm really good at that. I've been trained

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Speaker 4: well my whole life. Spakine, you make it. That's literally

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Speaker 4: like since I was a kid, when like like PTSD,

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Speaker 4: when I was like five, and be at like some

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Speaker 4: huge like spelling like network party and people will be like, do.

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Speaker 2: You remember me?

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Speaker 4: And I'd be like, of course.

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Speaker 5: So it's just like cute.

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Speaker 1: But what I remember is when we sat down to

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Speaker 1: talk about the idea of doing a show that kind

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Speaker 1: of makes fun of yourself.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is long before Herb or I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, any of those shows.

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Speaker 4: It was before Curb.

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Speaker 6: Correct, No, it was because no, because if you remember,

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Speaker 6: actually when we made So Notorious the series, we had

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Speaker 6: fantastic mind producer Aaron O'Malley, We had Dale Stern, we

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Speaker 3: The great.

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Speaker 4: The wardrobe stylist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, so it was like we actually that's the

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Speaker 3: So Notorious.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you're right, you're right, yep.

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Speaker 1: But toy, you came in with a scrap book of

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Speaker 1: every article that had been written to you about you,

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Speaker 1: a good, bad, whatever, that your dad had collected and

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Speaker 1: he put together this amazing scrap book and it well

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Speaker 1: he had put like.

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Speaker 4: The good ones. But yeah, that's fine pitch meeting.

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Speaker 1: You took that to pitch meeting, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: Yeah. You know me, I'm always prepared and diy queen

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Speaker 4: more invested. So I did take a chance, and my

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Speaker 4: dad had a scrap book. Is back then tabloids were paper.

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Speaker 4: I guess they still kind of exist, but there wasn't

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Speaker 4: So there was like the Haunting Globe one where it

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Speaker 4: started all the plastic surgery rumors that I still this

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Speaker 4: is so annoying you guys, Like I like fifty one,

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Speaker 4: and like someone still took a picture of me the

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Speaker 4: other day and it was like Tori's turned into a muppet,

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Speaker 4: which I'm not mad at. Like I know which one

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Speaker 4: wanted to be her for Halloween. So what's her name?

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Speaker 3: Not miss Piggy?

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Speaker 4: No fuck you?

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Speaker 3: No, well I said, not miss Piggy. Oh I know

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Speaker 3: it's one, the one that's Mary Travers from Peter Paul

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Speaker 4: With that one, that one which I mean it's I'd

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Speaker 4: confused with. So I'm moving up. But yeah, just the

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Speaker 4: other day or like, Transformation Toys had more plastic surgery

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Speaker 4: And I was a seventeen year old girl that had

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Speaker 4: My dad was like it's okay. It was on the cover,

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Speaker 4: where someone had taken paparazzi. I was like eating and

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Speaker 4: someone had taken picture of me getting up, and it

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Speaker 4: was like basket weave like plastic chair and it made

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Speaker 4: has tons of cellulite.

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Speaker 2: And I remember that one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like that was in there, and then we.

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Speaker 5: Used that one on the show we did, we recreated

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Speaker 4: So I'm blanking on the others, but.

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Speaker 3: It was like, I remember the one. The one you

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Speaker 3: a tabloid picture of you picking your nose in the car.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, actually that one actually was picking my nose.

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Speaker 4: All the others are actually false, but that one, yeah,

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Speaker 4: yelled it. Sorry, cars, they're just like us. They picked

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Speaker 5: That was the moment I think Mike and I both

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Speaker 5: were like, okay, we want to do this, like when

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Speaker 5: you were like, yeah, I can't stop picking my nose

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Speaker 4: No, Oh my god, I'm never getting a date after this.

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Speaker 3: At this point I knew, I mean, I was based

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Speaker 3: on her independent movies Trek in the House of Yes,

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Speaker 3: Like I was pretty much like agnostic on Beverly Hills

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Speaker 1: Seen gilt that, but yeah, okay, I.

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Speaker 3: Was just trying to give you a Complimentory, because there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of insults coming now. I know.

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Speaker 4: You know it's hard for me to take compliments.

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Speaker 2: So well, you're the right crowd.

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Speaker 4: Great, So it is true. I had done trick and

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Speaker 4: gone to Sundance. I had done House of Yes again,

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Speaker 5: Okay, and I have to jump in with something, and

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Speaker 4: And the funny part is she actually wanted a potato.

438
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: She was like looking dinner and she I was the

439
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: next door neighbor, and she was like, oh, she was

440
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: just curious if I had a potato. But she couldn't

441
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 4: have been cooler.

442
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 5: Because she had carbs.

443
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: I forgot. Did he stay?

444
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 4: She stayed and stayed and dayed. She stayed. You guys

445
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 4: and my friends all lost interest. I stayed with her

446
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: to be the good host.

447
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: And I was like and she.

448
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: Wanted to see my apartments and I'm like, oh my god,

449
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: it's is it clean? People are like smoking weed and

450
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 4: people are drinking, and I was just like, this is

451
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: a nightmare. Is she going to report me? She's super cool,

452
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: but I turned into like a five year old, which

453
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: was probably the last time I had seen her, which

454
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 4: she did Charlie's Angels, and I was just like, oh

455
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: my god, hi, and I was like, she's gonna call

456
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 4: my dad, like I didn't even know, and here I

457
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: am like a twenty eight year old woman, and I

458
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 4: was like terrified. But so then she was like, oh,

459
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 4: she wanted to see my closet and I was like, okay,

460
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: and she came into my closet and literally was like

461
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 4: looking around and appreciating everything, and it was like a

462
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 4: nice moment, but I was so panicked. And then like

463
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: an hour later, I was just like, like, someone, get

464
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 4: your clauset out of here. Like I didn't know what

465
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 4: to do. Not that I didn't want her there, but

466
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 4: I was just like she stayed.

467
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: Who was the rapper who lived in the building who

468
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: went to jail and blanking.

469
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 5: On his name?

470
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 4: Oh right, And then she came to the couch and

471
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 4: she hung out with my friends. I forgot that's right. Anyway,

472
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 4: long story short, she never she had fun with my friends,

473
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 4: and like we brought her snacks and stuff and then

474
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 4: she left and she never got the potato. But yeah,

475
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: it was just a potato. When we asked her, there

476
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: was wait, it wasn't Notorious Bid. We actually lived in

477
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: my building.

478
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: Night it was night.

479
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: It was Charlie Sheen.

480
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: There was just such a Rodney Dangerfield, Carol Burnette, Sarah Faucet.

481
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: Wow, completely random assortment of celebrities in this building.

482
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 4: So anyway, at the time, even though I'm like blinking

483
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: on specifics of the story now, like at the time,

484
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: I like went into the pitch meetings and told this

485
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 4: story like urbatim and that was one of the main

486
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: stories that NBC was like, we love this story, and

487
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 4: we actually the whole episode was the focal point was

488
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: getting to that party, the climax of this party at

489
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 4: my apartment in the in the pilot where Farah Fawcett

490
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 4: comes and it's just like one thing after another goes wrong,

491
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 4: and it was based on other things that had gone

492
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: wrong in my apartment, like the sea monkey catastrophe and tragedy.

493
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 4: And no one ever believes that, by the way, and

494
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 4: it happened.

495
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 7: No.

496
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: First of all, they don't believe I kept sea monkeys

497
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 4: alive for a year and a half. And then they

498
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: don't believe that that was like my roommate like spilled

499
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: them all.

500
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 5: Over my bar. Need to ride up.

501
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 4: I still miss them. But anyway, the network, it was

502
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 4: really important we get fair of Flats because how can

503
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: we tell the story without her, because it really happened,

504
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: and we got her.

505
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 3: It was a lot better we got her.

506
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 5: I remember, we like gave up a set in order

507
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 5: to be able to afford her. Really, yeah, yeah, there

508
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: was a stand up. We were gonna we were gonna

509
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 5: shoot at. It was a location we were gonna shoot

510
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 5: shoot at. The improv with the scene. Remember you go

511
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 5: to a stand up comic show not knowing that they're

512
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 5: that they're totally gonna make fun of you the entire time, right,

513
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 5: was this it's in it ended up being, It ends

514
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: up being in the second episode I do it was

515
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 5: Lisa Lampanelle. It was that you kind of lived in

516
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 5: fear whenever you went to a stand up show with

517
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 5: someone who started talking about celebrities, because you knew of

518
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 5: that inevitably they were going to get.

519
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: To you and right, and it was loosely based. Also,

520
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: no tell me if I'm wrong, No, it wasn't. I

521
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 4: guess when we went to see Chelsea Handler, Yes.

522
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah it was, she did not talk about you,

523
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: but she didn't.

524
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: So Mike and Chris Night, I mean for years, Oh

525
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: couldn't shake that one. But anyway, in the in the cast,

526
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 4: there were several characters based on real people in my life.

527
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 4: So I had my roommate Kevin. We created the role

528
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: of Pete, and then I had my best friend Maron.

529
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 4: We create the role of Sissan, and then we had

530
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: my best girlfriend who was Janie, who was a blend

531
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: of I had a bunch of Jennifer, Jenny, Jodie, like

532
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: a bunch of girls in my life that we based

533
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: her on. And then I had a manager that actually

534
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 4: was not based on ruth Anne, because ruth Anne was

535
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: my agetin at the time, but the manager at the time.

536
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: We thought it was a very funny role, and she

537
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: took offence to it.

538
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: Hilarious.

539
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: It was hilarious and she took offense to it. I

540
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: was like, this is this how you guys see me?

541
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: And like, so Ruthann's like, oh my gosh, I don't

542
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: care put my name on it. Tell her it's based

543
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: on me. We're like, okay. So Ruthie Rose was created.

544
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 5: And then this day we call ruth and Ruthie Rose.

545
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: We do, we do?

546
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: And I still answer to that.

547
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: And this pilot, you know, Pilot was made for NBC

548
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: and this was the time when NBC and networks were

549
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: still where everything was at, and we saw such incredible

550
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: talent for all of these parts. But the thing that

551
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: really Clu, Chris and I away were some of the

552
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: people that we met or auditioned for the part of

553
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: Kiki Spurling. Wait, what was your Spellman, Kiki Spellman, your

554
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: fictitious mother?

555
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: Yes, and.

556
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: The Ruthy Rose. We saw all kinds of like really,

557
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: we met all kinds of interesting actresses that we were

558
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: very starstruck by. I mean, I cannot believe the list

559
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: of the names of the people that came through. Yeah.

560
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: I remember they tried to make us change the name

561
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: to Spellman, and they ended up letting us call. When

562
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: we filmed it, we were able to use spelling. But

563
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 5: there was there was that brief moment where everybody was named.

564
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 4: Spellman, right, because the characters loosely based on my family

565
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: were fictitious and very campi and over the top, based

566
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 4: on what articles and things had come out, and a perception,

567
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: and we really fed into that perception because it just

568
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: it worked for this, you know. But Lonnie Anderson ended

569
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: up playing the role of my fictitious mother, Kiky, and

570
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: she was amazing to work with. But I remember Morgan

571
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: Fairchild came in, Linda Gray like who else?

572
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Like it was.

573
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 8: Oh, Quel Action Jackson, right, Michelle Phillips, Yeah, Michelle Phillips,

574
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 8: Leslie and Warren remember.

575
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: Susan Blakelee, Oh my gosh.

576
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: All these amazing people for either some came, some were

577
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: some were just meetings, not auditions, because they weren't auditioning actors,

578
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: but and they were for both parts, for both Ruthie

579
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: and for Keiky. But the other interesting thing was, of

580
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: course all of these actresses, most of whom had been

581
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: huge starlets in the seventies. Of course, every single one

582
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: had worked with your father and had a.

583
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: Story right right right, and that was that was, that was.

584
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: I'll never forget that day as long as as I live,

585
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 5: because we saw everybody kind of on the same day.

586
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 5: And I just remember the waiting room in our crappy

587
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: little production bungalow and looking from face to face to

588
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 5: face to face and just thinking, I never thought I

589
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 5: would meet one of these women in my lifetime. And

590
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 5: there's the entire room of them. It was really incredible.

591
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: Cons Icons sitting to me meet with us.

592
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, gosh, yeah.

593
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: It says so much about how amazing that script was. Truly,

594
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: three of you wrote a phenomenal script, hysterical.

595
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

596
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: We talked about Zachi, Oh yeah, Zach.

597
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: And Joe.

598
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 5: We should talk about jokes.

599
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to get in trouble.

600
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 5: Oh my god, who cares.

601
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: I think those casting people are still at NBC.

602
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: You know what, they can deal with the fact that

603
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 5: they made a mistake. They tried to make us fire

604
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 5: Joe Manganello because they thought he wasn't attractive. I think

605
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: they were wrong.

606
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: Remember they was in the wording like he doesn't he's

607
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: not he doesn't have star power, star quality.

608
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: No, that wasn't. The word is he's just not sexy.

609
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: He's creepy.

610
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: He's creepy.

611
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this I can say this, but no, I

612
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: don't want to say because I'm afraid you'll leave it

613
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: in the podcast. But when when we had our first

614
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: round of auditions for the part that Joe Manganella played,

615
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: our casting actors brought in all of these very CW

616
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: kind of pretty boys, and I that I think my

617
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: note was along the lines of can we see some

618
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: guys that look because Joe's character was somebody who was

619
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: working on the crew of the fake Lifetime movie for

620
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: the f Channel. Tori's character, I'd like to find a

621
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: guy who looks like he's sort of you know, blue collar,

622
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: would be working on a crew, not like he just

623
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: came from having his hold bleached or something like. And

624
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: that's how we got That's how the next success gentleman like,

625
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: it was so odd. I mean he was great great.

626
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: Good thing HR was different back then.

627
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 5: Good thing HR was different. And also just to give

628
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 5: credit to Mike, it was a very good description because

629
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 5: it got us exactly who we wanted, by the way, like.

630
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: So dreamy and hot. It's crazy to think that anyway. Yeah,

631
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 4: but we're going ahead. Can you talk about Zach first?

632
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chris, do you want to talk about that?

633
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

634
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the role of my best friend Maron, who

635
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: was my gay best friend, my usband in life, friends

636
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: since we were fifteen. It was a real important role

637
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 4: to me because he's like my partner in crime through

638
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: life and that it was a really really great role

639
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: and we saw a lot of people had it work.

640
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 5: Next well, we saw a ton of people and nobody.

641
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 5: Nobody was right and there were like some almost and

642
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 5: you know sometimes you see a lot of people for

643
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 5: a part and you start talking yourself into thinking, well,

644
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: person could do it, and that there was no real

645
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 5: slam dun. Yeah, And Zach Quinto came in to read

646
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 5: for Pete, for the Pete character, and there was just

647
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 5: something so lovable about him, and we kind of all

648
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 5: looked at each other and then we looked at him

649
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 5: and we're like, listen, we know you haven't prepared for this,

650
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: but could you read the other part? Could you read

651
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 5: for Sisan was the character's name, and he was game.

652
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: He was like, yeah, I was in the room and

653
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: read with the actress so we could instantly see if

654
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 4: it clicked. And by the way, Pete was like the

655
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 4: all American like streak guy, like you know, pussy hound,

656
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 4: and like, so so was my gay best friend and yeah,

657
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: so on the spot, Zach went and came back in

658
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 4: and blew us away.

659
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 5: Blew us away. Well, I don't know if you remember this,

660
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 5: but we almost lost him to another pilot. Tory and

661
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 5: I were on the phone with his agent all night.

662
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: Do you remember this with zachon trying to got him

663
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: to do with Zach's agent trying to get him to

664
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 5: do our show instead of instead of the other one.

665
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: So, if you don't understand what we're talking about, if

666
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: it is too insidery, Basically, it was pilot season and Zach,

667
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: who is an unbelievable actor, had gotten read for multiple things,

668
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: had gotten offers for two pilots, it both, you know, comedies,

669
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 4: and ultimately he had to choose which one he wanted

670
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 4: to do, and we were like, there is nobody else

671
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: for this role. He is the son. It was like

672
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: it was perfect and we were just are you begging?

673
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, like we were begging. And we had to like

674
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: put him on tape the next morning to get it

675
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: sent to NBC because they were shut down that day

676
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 5: for a diversity seminar or no, no, it was an

677
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: ethics jar. They were shut down for and not from

678
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: Mike and and they watched the tape. They watched the

679
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 5: tape on their coffee break or something and and loved him.

680
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: We were able to then offer it to him so

681
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 5: that he didn't even get to test for the other part.

682
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: We're right, okay, which at the time amazing, And he

683
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: was understand like, once you're established and you're a big name,

684
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 4: that's a luxury to be able to be straight get

685
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: a straight offer. But at the time Zach was unknown,

686
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 4: and you know, this is before Star Trek and you know,

687
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: before everything for American Horsestory and just everything. Amazing. He's done.

688
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had been, he had he had been on

689
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: twenty four. He had like a recurring on twenty four.

690
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 6: That was this big thing.

691
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: So when you're at that point, you go in and

692
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: read and audition, and networks never sign off on you.

693
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: You have to literally go and test for them. It's

694
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: called in person. So to get them to even agree

695
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 4: to let him go on tape and then they would

696
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 4: sign off on him was a huge undertaking in itself.

697
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 5: Correct.

698
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but we got him.

699
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

700
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 5: So we had a great cast and and Janetta, you know,

701
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 5: I gotta like mentioned Janetta Arnette as Ruthie Rose and

702
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 5: Cleo King as Nanny was so funny, so good. I mean,

703
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 5: I can still hear some of the lines, like they

704
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: just they just they were just great.

705
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: And we tortured poor James Carpinello with so much pizze stuff.

706
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 5: The best he had to say, some of the most

707
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 5: disgusting things, disgusting.

708
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: I took it like a trooper. So we and let

709
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: us just set the stage literally set the stage. We

710
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: replicated my real apartment, my condo, the Wilshure, which was

711
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 4: really shabby chic at the time, and we replicated it

712
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: exactly on set, and it was pretty cool, like it

713
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: had the same like kitchen and like everything was kind

714
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: of laid out the exact same when you watch the

715
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 4: show as my og apartments that I was living in

716
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: when I actually filmed this. So we made the pilot.

717
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: It was great, and then what happened.

718
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: So then what happened is this was when NBC was

719
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: part of GE, the huge conglomerate that also made airplane

720
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: engines and power plants and all kinds of stuff. So

721
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: every decision went through many, many layers and ultimately went

722
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: to like the people who were making air conditioning and

723
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: widgets and airline engines. So the pilot had a lot

724
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 3: of support, and we were told we were getting picked

725
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: up and had our travel booked to go to the upfronts.

726
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: And I had great Hawa, Yeah, I was in Hawaii.

727
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: So I was in Hawaii and there's like you have

728
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: to come. It's like I got a call one day

729
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: this is good news and bad news. You have to

730
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: come back early because you're going to get picked up,

731
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: and we booked your travel, change your travel. So I

732
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: changed my flight so I could come back early to

733
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 3: make the flight to the upfront. Then the next day

734
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 3: they called and said, actually, sorry, it didn't happen. You

735
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 3: don't have to But at least you don't have to

736
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: come back you're in Hawaiian And I said, fine, but

737
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: you better fucking pay for me to change my flight?

738
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 4: Was your concern?

739
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 5: Of course, Yeah, of course, of course, hello.

740
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, every season networks. It's different now, but

741
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 4: back then, you know, there were the main primetime networks.

742
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: There were no streaming networks yet. We would have been

743
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 4: thriving on a streaming net But I know, and I.

744
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 5: Cory, you were at the Kentucky Derby, if memory served,

745
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 5: and I was in I was in can Kuon and

746
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 5: I you know, I was bummed that the show didn't

747
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 5: get picked up, obviously, but I was also bummed because,

748
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 5: like I felt like we had this creative connection that

749
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 5: you know, we haven't always had on other shows that

750
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 5: we've been on, where you know, it was just easy instantly,

751
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: we kind of all the three of us all thought alike,

752
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 5: and we found the same things funny, and we found

753
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 5: the same you know, character attributes interesting. And the loss

754
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 5: of that was like so upsetting to me that I

755
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 5: remember leaving you because of course you didn't pick up

756
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 5: your phone even back then, I remember calling you to

757
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 5: I was at.

758
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: The Kentucky Derby first time.

759
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 5: Ever, Yeah, I know. And I remember leaving a voicemail

760
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 5: on your answering machine where I started to cry, God,

761
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 5: chriss drama.

762
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 4: What you made that call to me?

763
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 5: Correct I did?

764
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

765
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: I was the voice of doom.

766
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. I've gotten that call many times in my career

767
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: for her, but clearly that was.

768
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 2: One of the more devastating moments.

769
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: You put your blood, sweat, tears, and we knew how

770
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 4: it was Mike, and and uh yeah, we put so much.

771
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: I mean just editing alone. Remember being that editing bait

772
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 4: on like a Friday night, like all night long, we'd

773
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: be there to almost like the sun was coming up,

774
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 4: and again would come by and Vernon would come by.

775
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: Remember Mike falling asleep.

776
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: He would always fall asleep.

777
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: And you have that picture taking pictures.

778
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 4: We couldn't post, there's no posting, but there was. Yeah,

779
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 4: I would take I'd be like Chris, like, I'm such

780
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: a dude somewhere deep down, I'm like, take a picture

781
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 4: of this. And it was like Mike sleeping. We'd always

782
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: take pictures of Mike falling asleep. Granted it was like

783
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: three in the morning, he'd been working all day and

784
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: night like and it was just editing and he was

785
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 4: on the couch. But like, take a picture of me

786
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: flirting on Mike's face. Yeah, he does.

787
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: Does one thing to put back maybe backtrack just a

788
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: little bit that I think maybe Bears mentioned is the

789
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: fact that we were all also ab Fab fans and

790
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 3: we loved the way that ab Fab use little flashbacks,

791
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: and that inspired us to come up with our own version.

792
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: And I think I'm I think I mean to give

793
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: most of the credit to Chris who came up with

794
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: that every every flashback, but we led into a situation

795
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 3: where Tara wasn't comfortable or trying to explain something weird

796
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: or something that was off, and then she would say

797
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: what they'd ask her, like, Tory, what the fuck why

798
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: are you doing that? You go to the flashback and

799
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: then you come back and Toy be like, I don't know,

800
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, I remember that.

801
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 5: Brilliant that was specifically, that whole thing came out about

802
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: because Tori, your story about how your mom used did

803
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 5: take you to a little people shop to get shoes

804
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 5: for true story, so like what they like for designer shoes?

805
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: Right.

806
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 4: I just told this story recently to someone and they

807
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: were like, no, that existed. I'm like, oh yeah, and

808
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: back when I was young, I'm fifty one, like there

809
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 4: weren't shoes. So for Halloween costumes because like Nolan Miller

810
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: who did the fabulous like Dynasty wardrobe and for every

811
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: celebrity back then, huge stars and Elizabeth Taylor and like Betty,

812
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: you know, everybody, and he would design my costumes for

813
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: Hall of And I think he had told my mom

814
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 4: there's a place at the time it was like in

815
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 4: the Deep Valley and it was a little person's store

816
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 4: that had shoes, so she would go. Instead of getting

817
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: like shoes for a five or six year old, she

818
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 4: was just able to get what like adult shoes and

819
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: heels for five or six year old and she would

820
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 4: take me there.

821
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

822
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 5: Yeah. And the network love of your story, the funny

823
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 5: stories of you as a child, you know that and

824
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 5: then making snow in the backyard and you know some

825
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 5: of the more famous ones, and we were like, how

826
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 5: can we incorporate those stories because the show takes place

827
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 5: in the present time, and that's why we ended up

828
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 5: doing the flashbacks, and it was always tied to you.

829
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 5: You know, you were at Kitson and there was a

830
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 5: little person you know, trying to reach something and you

831
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: went off on the sales manager for not helping the

832
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 5: person faster, and then your friends are like, what is

833
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 5: up with that toy? And then we'd flash back to

834
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 5: being little toy, a little person who, by the way,

835
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: was played by the girl.

836
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 4: From Harriel Winter Family. Yeah, I want to talk about

837
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: quickly the call I cut at the Kentucky Derby. Now

838
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 4: here's the thing. This was like we were praised. I

839
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 4: just done this pilot. I was going to be back

840
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 4: right like everybody is at NBC, and I was like, oh, yeah,

841
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 4: my career's back. Everything's going great. I got invited to

842
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: the Kentucky Derby. So I had been friends. We knew

843
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 4: each other since we were like in our late teens

844
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 4: with Rachel Zoe the stylist, but by that point she

845
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 4: had become huge and it was like a fortune booker.

846
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 4: But I was like, I need to look really good

847
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: for my first Kentucky Derby because I'm gonna have, you know,

848
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: a series on NBC this year and I'm back bitches.

849
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: So I like booked her and went and she did

850
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: all my clothes styled it anyway, when I got that bill,

851
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 4: and I think she even gave me a discount because

852
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: we had been long term friends. I was just like,

853
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 4: it was wild, you guys. I think I spent like

854
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 4: thirty thousand dollars to go to the Kentucky Derby and

855
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: I had hats, an outfit and the styling and I

856
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 4: was like, oh my god, this is amazing. And while

857
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: I was there, like Lindsay Lohan was coming in to

858
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: pick up her stuff and Nicole Ritchie was there, and

859
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 4: I was just like, yeah, this is like the world

860
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: I was supposed to be born into. I mean, let

861
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: me rephrase that, whoa Fredi and slip. This is the

862
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: world I was born into and now I'm back into

863
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 4: this world. So granted, I'm at the Kentucky Derby, like

864
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 4: dressed to the nines. It was like not the hat night,

865
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 4: it was like the night before. So I'm in black

866
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: tie and everything's done. I have this amazing using outfit

867
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 4: on this ball gown. And I get a call from

868
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: Ruth Anne because we were anticipating the official pickup, and

869
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 4: I turk her call and you said you should go

870
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 4: somewhere where you can hear me speak, and I'm like okay,

871
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, she's about to tell me,

872
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 4: like it's a go. So I go into the bathroom

873
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: and there's bathroom stalls and I'm in the bathroom and

874
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 4: you tell me the show did not get picked up? Yeah, yeah,

875
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: and instead they picked up it was between two My

876
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: Name is Earl, which is an amazing show and had

877
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 4: huge success for them in longevity.

878
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: But I was just like it was devastating.

879
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 4: It was devastating for me too, for all of us

880
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: because it just it was so funny and smart and innovative,

881
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 4: and it was just like we we didn't miss a

882
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 4: beat here the cow, like the writing and it's just

883
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: the wardrobe was so amazing.

884
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Everything about it. It was you know, even if the

885
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: curb was already out. This was a really unique It

886
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: was because that people hadn't seen before.

887
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 4: Because everyone knew who Tory Spelling was exact, they perceived

888
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: Tory Spelling to be Larry David is different. He came

889
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 4: here from he was behind the scenes and then in

890
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: front of the camp. This was different.

891
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: The celebrity to be making fun of themselves and not

892
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: just in a sketch on Saturday Night Live.

893
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: But right I was like ball to the wall, Like yeah, anyway,

894
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: and I remember afterwards, just being like devastated. And that's

895
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: when I was sitting there and Tara Reid was there

896
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 4: and she was in the next stall, and she was like,

897
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 4: are you okay? And I was like, I'm not. Like,

898
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: I just did a pilot and it just wasn't picked

899
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: up and and I co created it and I'm so

900
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: crowd of inn this is going to be my big thing.

901
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 4: And I had known her for years, like through American Pie.

902
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 4: We became friends and like after that and like part

903
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 4: of like Hollywood, you know. And she was like, oh,

904
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 4: she was like, you know what, we should do a

905
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 4: show together. And we were laughing and like territory and

906
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, that would work. And yeah,

907
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 4: so I remember that night. I was so I got

908
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: wasted that night because I was so bummed. She took

909
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 4: me to a few parties. I think that's the party

910
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 4: where yeah, I flirted with Tom Brady and then sucked

911
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: Usher's finger and I was like, I'm sorry, you guys,

912
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: I'm having a moment here and my show just wasn't

913
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: picked up. So everyone doing a break. If I'm letting

914
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: loose too much?

915
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 5: Can you Then for a second, I think I remember

916
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 5: I remember the ushering that.

917
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 2: To bring it up, can we go into a little

918
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 2: detail on the usher finger incident? How did that happened?

919
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 5: Exactly? Chris. What I remember is being in cancuon feeling

920
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 5: so bad about this. Then the news had broke and

921
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 5: I knew that Tory knew, and then I saw something

922
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 5: on Perez Hilton or one of those things, and I

923
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 5: was like, oh God, now she's sucking us hers finger.

924
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: We it was captured. I thought I was the only

925
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 4: one that knew about it and told you.

926
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 5: No, like it was no, no, no, it was it

927
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 5: was it was somewhere.

928
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 7: Yeah.

929
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 3: Actually that also reminds me this was the time when

930
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 3: Perez Hilton was just like it. He was just huge

931
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: at this point in time, and he was obsessed with

932
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: Tori on this show, and didn't he come to set

933
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: and like pitch ideas or something.

934
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: That's yeah, I think we were going to have him.

935
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: I later went on to have him on my reality

936
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 4: show and we've since stayed friends. But like, yeah, you're right,

937
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 4: I don't know. We were like, uh, Tara Reid introduced

938
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 4: me to Tom Brady. She was like, I'm gonna take

939
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: you to this party and then we were with Kid

940
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 4: rock and it was just one of those things. It

941
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 4: was like one and one of these things is not

942
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 4: like the other. It was just the entire night, I

943
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: was just like, God, this sucks because this show is

944
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 4: based on these crazy stories that happened in my life

945
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 4: that no one would believe. Here it just wasn't picked

946
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: up and I'm living it right now. And all I

947
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 4: wanted to do was tell Mike and Chris, like, Uh,

948
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: this just happened with this person, this person, Let's write

949
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 4: it into an episode because it was brilliant, like the

950
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: show wrote itself. And yeah, and it wasn't picked up.

951
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: But anyway, I don't know. We're at some party and

952
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: we're dancing and I was dancing with Usher and I

953
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 4: feel like he put his finger to my lips and

954
00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 4: I sucked it. I'm not not at that Usher's hot,

955
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, it didn't go any further than that.

956
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: And then.

957
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: Anyway, but the next day it was the Kentucky Derby.

958
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 4: So I'm in my huge hat, I've had a night,

959
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 4: I'm hungover, and my show was just not picked up.

960
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: So I'm at the Kentucky Derby and the whole time

961
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 4: I'm not focused on the Kentucky Derby and in fact,

962
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: all my friends are there and they're betting on the races,

963
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 4: and like everyone the horses were behind me. So many

964
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 4: jokes there, But I was focused because I was on

965
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 4: the phone. And that's when I had to call Zach

966
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh my gosh, what's going on?

967
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 4: And is there a chance? Ruth and we were on

968
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: the phone, and we were that day even though it

969
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 4: was like a Saturday. We were like, we got to

970
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 4: call another network. We got to call just call a network.

971
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: We can't let this go like Monday morning.

972
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: But like, by the way, by the way, back then,

973
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: you could just call another network.

974
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean that it was about like using one against

975
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: the other and who did you know at what place?

976
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I wish it was still like that, but.

977
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 4: I just remember like calling Zach and calling James and

978
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 4: like reassuring them being like, no, this isn't the end,

979
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 4: Like this show is going to get picked up. I

980
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: promised them. And anyway, long story short, the show did

981
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: get picked up. The pilot, we got it made it

982
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: VH one, which was at the time they had no

983
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: It was the first scripted show correct yep, yep, which

984
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 4: to our demise as well. But it was they took

985
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 4: a chance on us, and they thought it was the

986
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 4: perfect project to launch them into script scripted. But so

987
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: we did a season, ten amazing episodes, amazing and it

988
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 4: at the end of those ten episodes, we were told

989
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 4: it just wasn't working, even though we like the write

990
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: ups were like it's always a kiss of death and

991
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 4: critics like crazy, we.

992
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 5: Got grave reviews. Each one was was a company that

993
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 5: they had the best intentions. They they want you know,

994
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 5: they really thought they were going to go into the

995
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 5: scripted programming business. And they they they spent a lot

996
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 5: of money on our show, even though for us, because

997
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 5: we were used to network, we were used to much

998
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 5: higher budgets, so we were doing things with much less

999
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 5: money than any of us had ever done anything with.

1000
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 5: But to them, it was more money than they'd ever

1001
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 5: spent on anything. Yeah, and and and as much as

1002
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 5: they loved the show, you know, they put us on

1003
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 5: first of all, at ten o'clock on was it a

1004
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 5: Sunday Night? Sunday Night rais Anatomy at which which you

1005
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 5: know was was the number one show on television. Yes,

1006
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 5: and yeah, and I think at the end of the day,

1007
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: it was just too expensive for them to you know,

1008
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 5: try to try to continue and every foray that they

1009
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 5: ever had and descripted in later years because we did

1010
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 5: another one with them many years later, they just they

1011
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 5: get too scared of spending the money, and ultimately that's why,

1012
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 5: you know, that's why it went away.

1013
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: I remember at the time being like, oh, you know,

1014
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 4: because it was like, oh, I'm doing this great show.

1015
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 4: It's going to get picked up. Oh didn't get picked up.

1016
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: Oh but the show A little engine that could. It's

1017
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 4: going to be now on VH one. We're doing a

1018
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 4: series first season, and everyone's like, great, is it going

1019
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 4: to be picked up after that? Like same combo at

1020
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 4: the end of the season, like James and Zachie were like,

1021
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 4: what do you think, And I'm like, you guys, not

1022
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 4: a chance. This isn't getting picked up. And I just

1023
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: remember at the time being like, well, my joke was,

1024
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 4: you know, they're they're more interested in doing like reality

1025
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 4: where like someone's like a contestant shitting in the corner

1026
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 4: and you get going on a date, which I believe

1027
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 4: was based on a show Flavor of Flave had where

1028
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 4: he was trying to find love. Flavor flav right, and.

1029
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 5: Yes, I remember.

1030
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 4: Literally she was standing there for so long waiting, you know,

1031
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 4: like to see if he was gonna pick her, and

1032
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 4: she they didn't let her go to the bathroom that

1033
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 4: she literally ship herself And that was like big TV.

1034
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 4: And it's like wow, and we're writing like our asses off, and.

1035
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 9: It's calling and being like why did we bother writing scripts?

1036
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 9: Why didn't we just have her shit on the floor

1037
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 9: to do what if we did

1038
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 4: Of course I would