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Speaker 2: We continue the conversation here in the waiting game for

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Speaker 2: the NBA Finals, because the NBA Finals tip off tomorrow night,

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Speaker 2: and apparently the NBA Finals and the NBA itself couldn't wait.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't wait any longer.

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Speaker 2: They had to get some news out there, and that

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Speaker 2: news was Tom Thibodeaux. He gone as the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the New York Knicks. That is a rap for

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Speaker 2: his time as a New York Knicks coach, even though

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Speaker 2: despite the fact the New York Knicks did something they

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Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeaux finds himself on the outside looking in with

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Speaker 2: the Knicks now moving on and looking for a brand

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Speaker 4: You know, Uh Brunson was very very offended when he

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Speaker 4: was asked about if Tibodeaux, what's the right guy for

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Speaker 3: You want to hear it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, let's hear there is a little

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson talking about coach Tibbs following their loss.

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Speaker 3: You talked about the confidence.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, I feel like nobody takes more criticism than Tom

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Speaker 5: Do you kind of feel that going forward he's the

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Speaker 6: Is that a real question right now? You just asked

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Speaker 6: me him. I believe that if he's the right guy. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Fun probably should ask James Dolean that maybe he would

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Speaker 2: have been the better guy to ask about that question.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think it's a clown show.

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Speaker 2: I think it's disguised as an Eastern Conference Finals team.

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Speaker 2: But I think if you just looked hard enough, Madison

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Speaker 2: I think there's tigers flying through hula hoops with flames

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Speaker 2: coming off the sides of them. I think the entire

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Speaker 2: you see the behavior of their fan base after just

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Speaker 2: getting past the second round. This is part for the course.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it would like we could do an entire

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Speaker 2: all that being said. But I feel like this was

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Speaker 2: already in the works, and Tom Thibodeau, barring an NBA

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Speaker 2: there's no other explanation for why exactly he would you

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Speaker 4: You know, there's already people throwing their hat into the

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Speaker 4: ring to become the new head coach of the New

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Speaker 3: Who's that?

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Speaker 4: Let me read it for you. I want every bit

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Speaker 4: of the smoke in New York, NYC. I'm one hundred

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Speaker 6: Coach the great New York Knicks.

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Speaker 4: Queen's Brad dominated my high school era three championships at

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Speaker 6: Lots more on the NYC front.

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Speaker 4: Had a Nick practice shirt and short on at nineteen

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Speaker 4: ninety nine draft NBA accolades speak for themselves. I basically

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Speaker 3: Let's look.

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Speaker 6: I mean, why not listen?

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying this to be you know kind

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Speaker 4: Thibodeaux is not. That was the firing was in my estimation.

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Speaker 4: That's a bad move. It's a bad move. Your you're

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Speaker 4: You have done well for us, but we just don't

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Speaker 4: It's possible people were losing their ass, especially if they

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Speaker 2: So Mike Malone, his name is out there. The guy

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Speaker 2: And and so so Mike Malone's name's been thrown out there.

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Speaker 4: I got on average annual eleven million reasons.

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Speaker 4: When he started breaking it down for me, I said,

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Speaker 4: In my mind, I should have because because once he

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Speaker 2: Radio is too much fun. You have you can play

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Speaker 2: You've got a little bit of that radio scumbag in

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Speaker 4: Look at mine, I'm like, wait, I'm not even the

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Speaker 6: Hey man, that's all good man.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to put in the type of time

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Speaker 4: You got to pay them to be able to be

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's it's a very very rewarding job

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Speaker 2: I think they because what's interesting about it is pat Riley.

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Speaker 2: Kriegel was making the point that he thinks the Knicks

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Speaker 2: And by stability, I mean man Eric Spolster hasn't won

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Speaker 2: mean if you're coach Tims, do you just whatever money

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Speaker 6: Know what I mean. Yeah, they still ay made things

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Speaker 4: So maybe you go hang out with Charles Oakley and

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Speaker 4: you know, watch the Knicks be the Knicks.

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Speaker 3: I mean, now we know why Tracy Morgan was blowing

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Speaker 4: Because he needs his old spice. Now we know why

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Speaker 6: Lee Lee.

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Speaker 3: You said pat Riley retired via fax. Yeah, well from

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Speaker 2: You know, it seems like an honest way to do it,

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Speaker 3: Good morning, how are we feeling?

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Speaker 8: Good morning, guys, Good morning. Great to hear from everybody.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, Hello.

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Speaker 2: So Petro's another another walk off win for the LA

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Speaker 8: Well last night, you know, they didn't walk it off.

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Speaker 8: It's just really hard to walk it off on the road.

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Speaker 8: It just reminds me of a question that a reporter

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Speaker 8: He's like Freddie Freeman when he left Atlanta. He's like

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 8: This guy asked Dave Roberts, like, Hey, how come all

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Speaker 8: He said, well, he's very difficult to walk it off

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Speaker 3: So who asked the question best?

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Speaker 8: It was some no. It was like a younger reporter,

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Speaker 8: They have some bullpen issues, but the Dodger problems are

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Speaker 8: Well that yeah, that too. I've aggravated a lot of

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Speaker 4: Speaking of bull in the ring, Petros, how many like

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Speaker 8: Now, when I arrived at SC, it was John Robinson,

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Speaker 4: Well, so that's why I was I was asking in

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Speaker 8: The Christian better looking version of Tom Thibodeau, Tim Tebodeau.

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Speaker 4: Tim Tebadeau. Yeah, you like that. That's funny my bed. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: in those practices, those coaches have to impress the players

440
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Speaker 4: as well, because there has to be a belief in

441
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 4: like what's your kind of you know, your.

442
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Speaker 6: Peractive off culture.

443
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Speaker 8: When I played college football, as you know, there was

444
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 8: not the same kind of boundary today, right, Like we

445
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 8: couldn't go anywhere if I transferred in college football, and

446
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 8: that was a terrible stigma that I still carry today

447
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 8: that I signed a letter of intent and wasn't able

448
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 8: to complete it, wasn't able to honor the contract. And

449
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 8: that bothers me. It really does. But it's a very

450
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 8: different it's a very different time in college and pro athletics.

451
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Speaker 8: That being said, the dynamics of a pro basketball team

452
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 8: is hard for me to understand. I mean, we're talking

453
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Speaker 8: about guys that have really really proven it at the

454
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Speaker 8: highest level. I mean, it's one thing to make an

455
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 8: NFL team. It's one thing to make an MLB Baseball

456
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 8: team or have a cup of coffee in the Major League.

457
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 8: It's a whole other thing to make an NBA team consistently.

458
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 8: I mean, because there's so few guys. So that dynamic

459
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 8: has always been fascinating and it's very difficult, I think,

460
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 8: to be a head coach at any level of any

461
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 8: kind of sport. But the NBA has got to be

462
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 8: the toughest because and you know, football is like this

463
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 8: now too. It didn't really used to be when we

464
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 8: were younger, and everybody had the same football coach who

465
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 8: looked one hundred years old for like fifteen years.

466
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 4: Thirty years ye yeah, Chuck Knock but Grant, Yeah, you know,

467
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: Chuck Nole, Marv Levy, you know, it goes on and on.

468
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Speaker 8: All the coaches kind of look like that. And now

469
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 8: the coaches are the first guy on the chopping block,

470
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 8: unless you know, John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh or somebody

471
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 8: more celebrated like that. Generally your coach is the first

472
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 8: guy to get fired at the NFL or NBA level.

473
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 8: And it proved out with the Tim Tebadeaux situation, even

474
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 8: though he ran a sweet option. Tom Thibodeau known as

475
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 8: a great defensive coach and a lot of people love him.

476
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 8: I think the X factor with the Knick situation that

477
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 8: I'm not super familiar with other than the fact that

478
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 8: you know, I watched all the New Yorkers freak out

479
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 8: in the NBA freak out hoping that the Knicks were

480
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 8: going to make it into the final and they could

481
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 8: play the concrete Jungle where dreams were made of song

482
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 8: over and over and over again until your brain MUSHes

483
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 8: and bleeds out of your ears. But I think it's

484
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 8: a more delicate situation. Also, their owner is like a

485
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 8: legit crazy man JB in the Straight JD in the

486
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 8: Straight Shot.

487
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: Jim Dolan.

488
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Speaker 8: That's the name of his sweet ass band, his blues band,

489
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 8: where he hired like a bunch of really really famous

490
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 8: or reputable studio musicians and tours around with him like

491
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 8: he belongs on stage. So it's a whole it's a

492
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 8: whole wild situation. But look, I mean, but you look

493
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 8: at like Mi Alma Mater and these and these different

494
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 8: stories that are unfolding over the years in modern Sports

495
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 8: and at USC it's like they'd fire and Lincoln Riley

496
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 8: if he didn't have such a big buyout. And and

497
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 8: at a certain point the money does matter, and maybe

498
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 8: not for JD in the straight shop. But I don't know,

499
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 8: I don't know what direction you go in from there,

500
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 8: Like who do you hire from there to to ignite

501
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 8: the team? Was it Thibodeau that was really fueling their

502
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 8: success or was he holding them back and holding back

503
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 8: their star players? Obviously somebody thought that. But a sad

504
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 8: situation for the guy with not a lot of hair

505
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 8: who kind of looks like the penguin.

506
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Speaker 3: Petros Pamadegus joined us.

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Speaker 8: I've been compared to the penguin in the past too, Jonas.

508
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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think so. I would. I would disagree

509
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: with that comparison.

510
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Speaker 8: I mean, how many times do you say that Fox

511
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 8: Sports Radio? Jonas? I know I'm on the radio.

512
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: Right I am resetting it for the trying to be

513
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: a broadcast professional. But it is when you mentioned sort

514
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: of what direction you go in here, and was it

515
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Tom Thibodeau's fault and all that, that's why whatever there.

516
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 8: Was to call them TIBs like they're friends with him. Yeah, like, oh,

517
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 8: you know how TIBs is. It's like, you know what, Actually, no,

518
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Speaker 8: I don't.

519
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 6: I don't not at all.

520
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 8: I live on the other side of it a little bit. Well,

521
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 8: it's like we've never even been in Madison's.

522
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Speaker 2: It's like golf blowhards who called the golfers by the

523
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: first name. Hey, Scotty, do you see what Scotty did

524
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: on the seventeenth? No, what a douche do on the seventeenth.

525
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: But when that's why, whenever the conversation was being had

526
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: about Dave Roberts when the Dodgers would come off short

527
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: in the postseason and it was like, well, Dave Roberts

528
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: should be fired. And my thought on it the whole

529
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 2: time was, yeah, but is he the one that's, you know,

530
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: going one for eighteen like Mookie Bets and Freddie Freeman

531
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: in the playoffs?

532
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: Is that him? Like, at some point, don't get the

533
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: players up here accountable.

534
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 8: But you can't get rid of those guys, right, you

535
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 8: can get rid of Dave Roberts and it's cheaper, and

536
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 8: it's even worse. I mean, I know I've seen this

537
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 8: over the years and you can track it. There's like

538
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 8: baseball or football franchises that aren't doing well and they

539
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 8: don't really know what to do to make a change,

540
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 8: so they like fire the play by play guy. That

541
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 8: happened to Steve PHISIOK, with the Angels, I mean that really, yeah,

542
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 8: I mean that you know that, well, let's change it up,

543
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 8: will fire the play by play guy. And it's like,

544
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Speaker 8: you know, obviously it has to be somebody that I

545
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 8: don't know, maybe they don't care as much about. That's

546
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 8: not fair to say about Steve because he's such a

547
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 8: wonderful guy.

548
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Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say Roger Lodge.

549
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, I mean sometimes they pull the trigger

550
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 8: on a guy's just just for a breath of fresh

551
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 8: air because the team's not doing well and that guy

552
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 8: has nothing to do with the lack of success of

553
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,239
Speaker 8: the team, but the other people are getting paid too

554
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 8: much to touch them. Same situation with USC and the GM.

555
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 8: You know, they can't fire the head coach, but they

556
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 8: made him fire his good old boy BFF, who was

557
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 8: the GM at USC that wasn't really doing GM work,

558
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 8: and they went and hired a real GM and now

559
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 8: that's their big talking point for the offseason. And a

560
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Speaker 8: recruiting class that may or may not come in twenty

561
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 8: twenty six. I'm sorry to keep hearkening back to USC

562
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 8: but you did ask me about the culture changes when

563
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 8: I was there, so it's always a unique situation. It's

564
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 8: always interesting. The chemistry of a team is one of

565
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 8: the more complex things. I mean, just going back to

566
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 8: thinking about how you prepare for a bowl game at

567
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 8: the college level with young people. After you've been playing

568
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 8: weekly for months and months, suddenly you're not playing games

569
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 8: and you have to find a way to play your

570
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 8: best game after not playing for two or three weeks

571
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 8: or four weeks in some occasions. That's crazy too, Like

572
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 8: the chemistry of a football team is a mystery that

573
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 8: cannot be solved by the wisest scientists that ever lived. Basketball,

574
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 8: where there's fewer people, you know, maybe you do pull

575
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 8: one little string and things change. But I think anybody

576
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 8: trusting Jim Dolan and his Blues Band to make the

577
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 8: right decision with his basketball team, one of the most

578
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 8: recognized franchises in the history of sport, is I mean,

579
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 8: very in trouble.

580
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Speaker 6: I would say.

581
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Speaker 4: My last question for you, I know we're up against

582
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Speaker 4: the breakers.

583
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it is what it is. You

584
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 6: just radio you you mentioned I have a clock in

585
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 6: my head. You know, he got it. I could dig it. Bro.

586
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: You guys have a top five recruiting class for twenty

587
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: six right now.

588
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see them freshman in twenty twenty.

589
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, you mentioned if you know, if the

590
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: coach is still there, do you think he will survive

591
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: to see the top five class come in?

592
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 6: And do you think that maybe it is just he just.

593
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: Needs a little bit more time, because I mean that

594
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Speaker 4: that's a very highly you know, that's a highly rated

595
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: I think five I saw was what they were rated?

596
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 6: Four or five.

597
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's a pretty high high mark in

598
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: today's recruiting. Uh, you know, climate it's very difficult to

599
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: get in the top five.

600
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Speaker 6: Where we are right now in the nil space.

601
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Speaker 8: It's something, Yeah, it is something to consider, but I

602
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 8: would I would rebut by asking you this in today's

603
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 8: day and age, with NIL being what it is, and

604
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 8: the transfer portal being wide open and teams being generally

605
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 8: older because of that, and we see it in college

606
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 8: basketball too, how many freshmen do you think can contribute

607
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 8: even on a normal even on a team like you

608
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 8: and I would have played on back in the day,

609
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 8: like even if you have a great recruiting class, so

610
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 8: maybe question maybe two or three of those guys help

611
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 8: you that year, maybe.

612
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 6: Seven or that's why. But when did you say that's why.

613
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: Having such a highly recruited class is all that really matters.

614
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 8: It Really it's a stalling technique for pr because you

615
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 8: don't really know if they're coming or not.

616
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 6: I mean they're just verbally that's true. Yeah, that's true.

617
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 8: I mean that's like saying this girl said she was

618
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 8: gonna go to the problem with me next year. I

619
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 8: can't wait. You know, women are fickle, and so are

620
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 8: college football players.

621
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Speaker 4: I would say they look at the stars, which I

622
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: don't know how much people should put into how many

623
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: stars a guy has, but that is what these these

624
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: universities do as well, I would say, to the point

625
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: of older guys being taken into portal and transfers that way.

626
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 4: I still think that when you see a four star,

627
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: five star come into your program, they have the opportunity

628
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: to make an immediate impact.

629
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right, you know, you know they're supposed to.

630
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 8: And if they don't make it, usually if they don't

631
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 8: make an immediate impact, if they're that big of a

632
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 8: recruit usually you find them in the transfer portal into

633
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 8: portal a little bit later, and we've seen a lot

634
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 8: of that too. I would say this LeVar to answer

635
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 8: all of it. I think us he's finally doing, recruiting wise,

636
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 8: what they should have been doing for years under Lincoln

637
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 8: Riley or Clay Helton or anybody, which is build a

638
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 8: very very serious and very very formidable fence around the area,

639
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 8: recruit it and live and die with it. And that's

640
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 8: what the new GM Chad Boden that they hired was

641
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 8: kind of tasked to do. I don't have faith in

642
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 8: Lincoln Riley's ability to develop those guys anyway. He hasn't

643
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 8: proven it to me and I've not seen it so

644
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 8: and I don't know if they're coming. It's just if

645
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 8: you as he's standing on the twenty twenty six recruiting

646
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 8: class for hey, don't worry about us, then they're standing

647
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 8: on jello in my opinion. But it's better than not

648
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 8: having a great twenty twenty six recruiting class, I suppose.

649
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 8: But it is something like people stop me in the

650
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 8: street and they're like, can you believe this class?

651
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 6: Right? You know?

652
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 8: In twenty twenty six that may or may not come

653
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 8: that could you know, half of them could verbally decommit

654
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 8: when one of them goes, sure, but you're standing on

655
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 8: you're standing on Jello. I did find some interesting fact

656
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Speaker 8: that I came across the other day in regards to

657
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Speaker 8: the Knicks that I think you guys might enjoy.

658
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, are you ready? Yeah?

659
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Speaker 8: Do you know the etymology of the name Knickerbucker or Nicks?

660
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Speaker 4: We did, no, No, well, yes we do. It was

661
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Speaker 4: they said it was something about like clothing or something

662
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: like that.

663
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, yes, you're right. It's because of the way that.

664
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we talked about it the other week.

665
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, the pants style. But the reason that came out,

666
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 8: the reason that word became popular was Washington Irving, who's

667
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 8: a really famous writer and the guy that really kind

668
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 8: of wrote and put New York on the map as

669
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Speaker 8: a writer, same guy that wrote Sleepy Hollow, you know,

670
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Speaker 8: with Hickabod Crane and the Headless Horse book. Yeah, Washington

671
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 8: Irving wrote a very very significant book called the History

672
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Speaker 8: of New York, which he wrote under a pseudonym of

673
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Speaker 8: a guy named Dietrich Knickerbocker, which is what popularized the

674
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Speaker 8: name A Knickerbocker used to be the way that a

675
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 8: Dutch guy would dress, you know, with his pants way

676
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 8: up walking around New York and a lot of Dutch

677
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 8: immigrants there in that time, and that's how they would

678
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 8: wear their pants. So they got called knickerbocker's. And then

679
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 8: this guy wrote the History of New York with the

680
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 8: Dietrich Knickerbocker name, and that popularized the name Knickerbocker in

681
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 8: relation to New York and anybody from New York after

682
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 8: a while, no matter how you wore your pants, cross colors,

683
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Speaker 8: z cavaiici's those tight jeans, skinny jeans, you're you're a

684
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Speaker 8: Knickerbocker regardless. Now, Damn Washington.

685
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 2: Irving and and all these years later Tracy Morgan throwing

686
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Speaker 2: up on the floor.

687
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 8: There at Mats Right, Dad, all these years later, Kylie

688
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 8: Jenner swallowing Timothy Shaumette's little pebble head, by.

689
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Speaker 3: The way, how big? How big is Timothy Champagne or

690
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: whatever that guy's name is. How big is he? Is

691
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: he smaller than her? Is he shorter than.

692
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, she's a big horse. I think she just mounts

693
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Speaker 8: him and just rides him into oblivion. Right.

694
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 3: The Belmont Stakes are supposed to.

695
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 8: Ride longer race too. You know she's been with a

696
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 8: lot of guys. There's an extra furlong in that race.

697
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 8: Could you imagine a horse riding Jacky and he's like

698
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 8: a little jockey. He's like, he's like, he's like shoemaker.

699
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 8: He jumps on that big.

700
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Speaker 2: Boy bobs got her, got her on the gas like

701
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: she's a was.

702
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 8: The milkshad, Yes, Larry David, Yeah, that's right, Petros, we

703
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Speaker 8: appreciate it.

704
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Speaker 2: You can get him on the old p He's the

705
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: cost of the Petros Money Show, which you can hear

706
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Speaker 2: on the Blowtorch A M. Five seventy l a Sports

707
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Speaker 2: later on this afternoon, also a Fox College football analyst,

708
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: and a Wednesday tradition here on the show.

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Speaker 8: We are.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

711
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you start, you start with the Dodgers,

712
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: end with Kylie Jenner as a as a horse. That's

713
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Speaker 2: how goes bar so we do here.

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Speaker 3: Who damn all right? Coming up next here though, on

715
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Speaker 3: Two Crows and a Cup of Joe.

716
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

717
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington and

718
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

719
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Speaker 2: And you know it's appropriate. We're listening to the Narcos

720
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: theme song here as the show starts. Because there was

721
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: an old method back in the day where Pablo Escobar,

722
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: when he wanted to rid himself of his competitors, he

723
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: would throw them into a lagoon full of hippopotamuses.

724
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 6: Oh it was he throw them in there.

725
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: He's got these pet hippos and he would throw them

726
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: in there and just let him go at it. And

727
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I don't even think the Pablo Escobar could throw the

728
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers in with a pond full of hippos and

729
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: get rid of them, because that team does not die.

730
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: They are a zombie. They did it again last night.

731
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It's just it's unbelievable to watch that game.

732
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: And I'm watching long, thinking, man, okay, see better extend this.

733
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 2: If you don't push it to twenty and you keep

734
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: them within four five ish possessions, they're gonna figure this

735
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: thing out. And as the game went down to the wire, they.

736
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 3: Made play after play after play.

737
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: Even lou Dort makes a great block on Nie Smith

738
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, okay, well that was the real

739
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: crucial play that had to be had. Pascal Siakam goes

740
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: out of bounds, they challenge it, call stands.

741
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: Okay, see gets the ball back.

742
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, that's the one that's gonna be Ultimately

743
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: what pushes Okac over the top. And it's just not

744
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: because Indiana refused to die. Awesome Game one of the

745
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: NBA Finals last night.

746
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Speaker 4: I mean, it was what the NBA if they could

747
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 4: have drawn it up man, And I hate to be

748
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: the I told you so type of guy, but it

749
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 4: is I told you so type a moment where if

750
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 4: Indiana wins that game, it's.

751
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Speaker 6: It makes the series more watchable, more interesting.

752
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: If Indiana wins the game the way it was drawn

753
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: up yesterday, it makes the series way more attractive to

754
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 4: watch and want to be a part of. I mean,

755
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: you think about it. In this game you're talking about

756
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: the Pacers set a record on turnovers. That's how or

757
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: excuse me, not a record, but it was the season high,

758
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 4: season high twenty five turnovers, and yet they were still

759
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: over able to overcome the deficit of the entire game,

760
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: never led the entire game, and the only time they

761
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 4: lead is when they win. You couldn't have drawn it

762
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Speaker 4: up any better for a viewer to want to watch,

763
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 4: because it took you to the entire game. Unless at

764
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: the point a time where they were down I want

765
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Speaker 4: to say it was by at least fifteen.

766
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Speaker 6: I want to say they were down by.

767
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 4: If you if you dowed out, if you dialed out

768
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: in the second half, like the third quarter, based upon

769
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 4: what the score was, then you missed.

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Speaker 6: You missed the treat of a game.

771
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Speaker 4: But to see the way Indiana fights back and claw

772
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: their way back and get into games the way that

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Speaker 4: they do, they held to form this is you can't

774
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Speaker 4: say that this was a luck game or you know

775
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 4: they some way, somehow, you know, the OKC thunder gave

776
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 4: the game away. They shot poorly, They shot poorly. And

777
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: while OKAC shot poorly, you know what Indiana did. They

778
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: just kept getting after it. They were slashing to the hole,

779
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: which I was loving to see as they were being

780
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 4: aggressive getting to the hole. They were kicking the ball out,

781
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: guys were finding their range.

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Speaker 6: You started seeing.

783
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 4: Contributions come from from different guys, you know, in the comeback.

784
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Speaker 6: It just it's one of those.

785
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: Games where you ask yourself, you know, did did okay?

786
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: See did Okay, see open up a door that they

787
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 4: shouldn't have opened up in this series? Or was it

788
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: one of those first game, first game jitters.

789
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Speaker 6: You're at home.

790
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Speaker 4: Sometimes being at home can actually play against you a

791
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Speaker 4: little bit. You know, you you might not for some reason,

792
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: you might not play as loose. And maybe it's because

793
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: of the excitement. Maybe it's because it's your home crowd.

794
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: There's just certain reasons why sometimes teams play a little

795
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: bit better, a little bit more relaxed when they're on

796
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Speaker 4: the road. But this one was a hit scratcher. I

797
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: think if you had to come up with a way

798
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Speaker 4: to kind of sum up what last night represented, it

799
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 4: was still a hit scratcher that this type of a

800
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Speaker 4: pendulum swing could take place in a game in the

801
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Speaker 4: NBA Finals.

802
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Speaker 6: To this, to this degree, the.

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Speaker 2: Guy who hit the game winner, Tyres Halliburton, spoke afterwards, there.

804
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Speaker 10: Was never a disbelief as a group. Honestly, you know,

805
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 10: we never think the game is over ever. Honestly speaking, ever,

806
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 10: like the never that never creeps in. I think we

807
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 10: just keep talking as a group, is how can we

808
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 10: walk this team down? So it's at twelve going and

809
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 10: a half time, we talk about if we can win

810
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 10: one quarter by six, one quarter by seven, will be

811
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 10: in a great spot. We got to a six point

812
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 10: game at the end of the third quarter and shade

813
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 10: at three, but we liked where we were. And then

814
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 10: they went on a big run to start the fourth

815
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 10: and we just say, okay, that fifteen, let's get to ten. Well,

816
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 10: we got it to eight. They call a time out,

817
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 10: so we just stay with it. So this group never

818
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 10: gives up. We never believe that the game is over

819
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 10: until hit zero.

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Speaker 3: And that's a real calculated zombie right there.

821
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Speaker 2: That's one that's not just one of these Well I'm

822
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: just gonna get up and eat everybody. It's like, no, no, no,

823
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna get up, and this is how I'm

824
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: gonna do it. It's gonna come in sections, it's gonna

825
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 2: go one body part by the next, and I'm going

826
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to make.

827
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Speaker 3: Halliburton wasn't even good. It's not like he had a

828
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: great game.

829
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 2: He didn't have some some monster game that you look

830
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: at and go, man, he willed his team to victory.

831
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: But when he was coming down with that ball following

832
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: the miss by SGA, there wasn't a doubt in my

833
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: mind that he was going to hit that shot. You

834
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: just you felt it. I think the arena felt it.

835
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: And there's probably Okay, see thunderfans that are looking around.

836
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: Going what the hell happened? Yeah, because and I'll tell

837
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: you what happened.

838
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 2: What happened was the same thing that happened in every

839
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: single playoff series that Indiana has.

840
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: Been involved in.

841
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you leave him hanging around for long enough. You

842
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: don't step on the throat, you don't finish putting their

843
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: head and the vice like that guy in Goodfellas and

844
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 2: put it into the whole thing. You let him hang

845
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: around and they ultimately end up making plays to win.

846
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: That's a fun team, you know.

847
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 6: I told you.

848
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: Like the second hour they play the theme song one

849
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: of the parts of Thirteenth Warrior. Yeah, and what I

850
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 4: felt like took place in last games. Last night's game

851
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 4: was comparable to a scene in Thirteenth Warrior. So there

852
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: was a guy, he was one of the Norsemen that

853
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: came with Bouvi to help with the evil that they

854
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: had to fight against that the village was that sent

855
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 4: for them, you know what they were facing. Well, the

856
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 4: son of the king of the people that sent for

857
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: Boulvie and his crew to come. You know, he was

858
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 4: not as respectful and receptive to them coming to help.

859
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 4: And he felt like him and his crew could handle

860
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: the evil that was coming their way. And he had

861
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 4: one big dude that was there, and one of the

862
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 4: smaller dudes that bouv brought with him, you know, picked

863
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: a fight with him. You know, and this this reminds

864
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: me of that game last night, right, Okay, see the big, tall,

865
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 4: strong dude, and you got this little dude over here

866
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 4: and he's he's digging. Everybody's digging trenches and he's throwing

867
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 4: the mud on the guy right hits him with the

868
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 4: mud boom, hitting get him dirty. He's like, hey, little man,

869
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 4: what are you doing? And he picks a fight with him.

870
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 4: So they picked the fight. They get in the ring

871
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: and you know, they're hitting their shields and he's just

872
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 4: letting this big dude wail on him, just bang bang,

873
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 4: cracks his cracks his shield and I think they get

874
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: like four shields, five shields in the fight or whatever.

875
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: Little dude ain't messed up. Not one of the shields

876
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: that this big dude is has ain't really made him

877
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 4: do anything to make him feel as though he could

878
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: hurt him, and the confidence of the big dude is

879
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 4: growing by every single shield that he's crushing on this

880
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: little dude.

881
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 6: He gets to the last, the last shield.

882
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: They're fighting, boom boom boom, and the big dude does

883
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 4: it again bang, just like what the OKC Thunder was

884
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 4: doing in his game, seemingly looking like they were just

885
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 4: too much, they were going to overpower them.

886
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 6: He breaks the shield.

887
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 4: The little dude kneels down and like looking like he's

888
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: being defeated. It almost looks like it's just defeat. He's

889
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 4: too weak, he's too small, he's not he's not nearly

890
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: the warrior that the other guy is. And the other

891
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 4: guy looks at you know what I guess would be

892
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: the coach. He looks at the king's son, and the

893
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 4: king son's like, yeah, doing you know, finish it? Chop

894
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 4: that man's head off and show these norsemen they're not

895
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 4: as tough as they think they are and they need

896
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 4: to listen to what I need to, what I'm gonna say,

897
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 4: what I want to do. So the guy picks up

898
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: his he picks up his sword to go knock his

899
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: head off, and the little dude hitching with one of

900
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 4: them a little like little moves like put sword in

901
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: the big dude. Put sword in a big dude. And

902
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 4: when he hit him, he said he was a brave one, right,

903
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: And so all this time you're beating the hell out

904
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 4: of this dude.

905
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 6: In the entire time, it.

906
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 4: Was a strategy to get him to the proper place

907
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 4: of where he wanted to get him and took him out.

908
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 4: And then all of the village people are looking like

909
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: they were confused. You know, they live by what they

910
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 4: can see, but now you're giving them something that they

911
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 4: can't see they got to think about. Keeps them off guard,

912
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: and that maintains the fear the point of the story.

913
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes you can't judge it by the way it looks. Okay,

914
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 4: see looks like they're the big, big, strong dude that

915
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: that can knock you down and take you out because

916
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 4: they're so deep with their their you know, with their bench.

917
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 4: They have so many strong starters. They got seven footers to.

918
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 6: Go along with it.

919
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 4: But you beat up on these dudes for for a

920
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 4: half of basketball, really, really, I.

921
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 6: Mean you didn't. You didn't beat them up as well

922
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 6: as you should have.

923
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: In the second half, but for the most part, you

924
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: still maintained your lead throughout the second half of the

925
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: of the game until the end. And then at the

926
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: end they make a move and chop your head off

927
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: and looked at the crowd, and now the crowd is

928
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 4: like all stunned, like, wait, did they just beat our champion?

929
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 6: Like did they just take him down? They just took

930
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 6: out the champion.

931
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 4: And now okay see has to figure out how they're

932
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 4: going to move forward in this series because what I

933
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: felt took place in this first game, even though they

934
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: didn't shoot their best. I bet you Okac was ready

935
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 4: to come out of that game and say, you know,

936
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: we didn't shoot our best, but we defended home court.

937
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 4: We had a good we had a good showing. Even

938
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 4: though guys didn't shoot well from the perimeter. Our shots

939
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: weren't they weren't going down. Maybe our shots selection could

940
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: have been better, but yet we were still good enough

941
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 4: to win this game and win the game handily. You

942
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 4: couldn't come out of the game saying that. Now now

943
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 4: you had to say, dang, like, we didn't play as

944
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: well as we could have, but we had the game

945
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: in hand on our way to a victory. In some way,

946
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 4: somehow Indiana found a way to beat us.

947
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 3: That's right.

948
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 4: That's a very very hard that's a hard riddle to solve.

949
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: If I'm OKC, maybe they don't think too much of it,

950
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 4: but maybe they are.

951
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 6: You got one more game there, You got one more

952
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 6: game there.

953
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 4: And and I think this is such a pivotal game

954
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 4: for OKC because they cannot allow, they cannot allow for

955
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 4: Indiana to gain any more confidence than what they've gained

956
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: being able to come out of that game the way

957
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 4: they did.

958
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: You mentioned the thought process, the mentality of Oklahoma City

959
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 2: after that game last night, SGA, their superstar, the MVP,

960
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: spoke about it, following it.

961
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 6: As much as we can.

962
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 7: We just got to treat it like every other game,

963
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 7: every other situation we've been in. Yes, we haven't been

964
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 7: in a situation, but it doesn't mean our character has

965
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 7: a change or what we did last time. It's still basketball,

966
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 7: still the game of basketball that we grew up playing.

967
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 7: The rules don't change it just because we're in the finals.

968
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 7: So it's like we've been in a situation before and

969
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 7: the other situation we handled it. We handled it well.

970
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 7: We were better for Game two, and that's the goal.

971
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: They are currently an eleven point favorite in game two,

972
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: so the overwhelming expectation should as well they respond and

973
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: they'll come back out. And it's like, look, you could

974
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: feel any kind of way you want to feel about it.

975
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,919
Speaker 2: A lot of people said the same thing about the Knicks. Listen,

976
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: they should have won that game in game one. One

977
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: are the chances India and what happened? Indiana came out

978
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: and they were actually better in game two, Like, that's

979
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: that's the the if this would have been Indiana's best

980
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 2: shot and their best shot was able to overcome a

981
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: deficit by Okac who didn't make enough plays down the stretch.

982
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: I'd feel better about it if I was a Thunder fan,

983
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: because I would look at it and go, well, yeah,

984
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: the likelihood of them playing that good again is small,

985
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 2: especially on the road. The problem is Indiana didn't play

986
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: that great. Halliburton didn't have a great game as far

987
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: as his getting to the basket, you know, getting whatever

988
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: shot he won. He was actually passed, like giving the

989
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 2: ball up at times when he probably could have made

990
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: a play at the rim. So I look at it

991
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: and I go, this makes me that much more interested

992
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: in game two and would not surprise me whatsoever. If

993
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: Indiana was able to keep that close, and if it's

994
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,760
Speaker 2: close as we've seen, I don't know that you trust

995
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: any other team in the playoffs to make a play

996
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 2: down the stretch.

997
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: And you do Indiana more than you know what.

998
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: It makes me think of a scene out of a movie,

999
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 4: Like it's like that moment where Rocky punches Ivan Drago

1000
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 4: and he cutting, and he went back to he went

1001
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 4: back to the corner.

1002
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 6: And Rocky's corners like you're cutting.

1003
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 4: You see, you see, he's a man, He's a man.

1004
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 4: And then Ivan Drago's sitting there like looking at it

1005
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: like this is blood. It's blood, it's my blood. It's

1006
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: my blood, right, and then he realized that this little

1007
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 4: man could beat him. And again comes back to the

1008
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: David and Goliath type of storyline here, this is a

1009
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 4: David Goliath type of series. Obviously, Goliath being OKAC, David

1010
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 4: being the pacers. I just think that this was a

1011
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 4: very debilitating loss. Like I understand what SGA is saying,

1012
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 4: and he's right, that's the right way of looking at it,

1013
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: that's the right approach. But Jonas, if I'm OKC, that

1014
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 4: is the worst loss that you could have possibly taken.

1015
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: Was the first one last night? Yeah at home?

1016
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: Not great, not great, but great for us because it

1017
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: makes it that much more entertaining. It is two pros

1018
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: and a cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio,

1019
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you. By the way, we

1020
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: do have some good news for you here on this show.

1021
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 2: It's a football Friday. It's a damn Friday, Fox Sports Radio.

1022
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: You bet your sweet assay, Come on, Bar, come on.

1023
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we got some basketball.

1024
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 4: It's football Friday, but we got some basketball. We talked

1025
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 4: about the NBA. But it's a football Friday. It's a football.

1026
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 4: It's Friday. It's a football Friday. Football Friday. Come on,

1027
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 4: football fall football football, football, football, football, football football Friday,

1028
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: Football Friday. What's wrong with your Jonas? Did you just

1029
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: use the blow gun? What's wrong with Jonas?

1030
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 6: All right? Mark, Mark, come on now, Mark, let's do it.

1031
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 6: Let's do it for Eddie.

1032
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: Friday night is a football Friday.

1033
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, football Friday.

1034
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 4: Rock them, suck them, throw it, catch it is.

1035
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: It is a Friday.

1036
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: Here on