Speaker 1: Hi, This is Rafara and the producer of The girl
Speaker 1: Friends Untouchable. In this episode, we'll be exploring the lens
Speaker 1: the authorities when to try and fight corruption in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: While there's a lot of hope in this episode, as
Speaker 1: well as stories of how people push back against a
Speaker 1: broken system, there will also be some discussion of murder
Speaker 1: and sexual assault. If you or someone you love has
Speaker 1: been affected by any of the themes that come up
Speaker 1: in this episode, we've left some links in the description
Speaker 1: that offer resources and support. Take care of yourself. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's address the elephant in the room. You are not
Speaker 1: hearing the dulcet tones of Nicki Bridgardson or Kadija Hardaway.
Speaker 1: As you can probably tell, I don't even have an
Speaker 1: American accent, but as the producer of this series, I
Speaker 1: spent the past year having hours worth of conversations with
Speaker 1: people from Kansas City about Roger Glubski and the corruption
Speaker 1: his story exposed. However, Kansas City isn't an outlier. Police
Speaker 1: corruption and institutional racist is an international problem that often
Speaker 1: affects black and marginalized people the most. Stories like these
Speaker 1: shake our trusts in the institutions designed to protect us.
Speaker 1: But we can't just sit by and despair. If we
Speaker 1: want to see real change, It's up to us, the people,
Speaker 1: to speak truth to power and hold these institutions to account.
Speaker 1: In this series, we've had two different approaches to change
Speaker 1: in the system. One group of people want to change
Speaker 1: things from the ground up by challenging those institutions, like
Speaker 1: Nikki and Khadija.
Speaker 2: You know me and you didn't go into this to
Speaker 2: make friends, right. We went in there to do the
Speaker 2: right thing.
Speaker 1: And we've also heard from people who want to change
Speaker 1: the system from within, like Mark Debris, the first black
Speaker 1: district attorney in Windot County's history, who came into public
Speaker 1: service after a life of community activism.
Speaker 3: Lord pushed me into this to tackle injustice from the
Speaker 3: inside out.
Speaker 1: Given what people in Wye Dot County have been through,
Speaker 1: it's not surprising that different groups have strong feelings about
Speaker 1: how to move forward. Both are trying to change the
Speaker 1: system for the better, but which method is more effective?
Speaker 2: If you are really looking to change the system, you
Speaker 2: can't do it by working within it.
Speaker 3: I can sleep at night knowing that I did my
Speaker 3: part bringing justice to this community.
Speaker 1: Oh God, God, God, I'm refarra Masaruvera from the teens
Speaker 1: at novel and I Hot podcasts. This is the Girlfriend's Untouchable.
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Speaker 1: Bonus, Episode four, The Government's Guide to Making a Change.
Speaker 1: Mark Dupree is a man who's taken on various different
Speaker 1: roles in his community. He's a pastor, a lawyer, an activist,
Speaker 1: and a politician, and he believes that the systems checkered
Speaker 1: past is exactly why good folks must get involved and
Speaker 1: shake it up from the inside.
Speaker 3: I was born and raised here in Kansas City, Kansas,
Speaker 3: in the Inner City. My parents were Pentecostal pastors, so
Speaker 3: we did a lot of ministry work, dealing with gangs
Speaker 3: and trying to help our community in ministry.
Speaker 1: Du Preden only want to get into law to fight
Speaker 1: against injustice because was the right thing to do. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons he wanted to get into the justice
Speaker 1: system was because he belongs to the group most likely
Speaker 1: to be racially profiled and mistreated by the police.
Speaker 3: As a black man in America, it was very clear
Speaker 3: that the system had biases and still does and as
Speaker 3: a black man in this country, growing up, I had
Speaker 3: to learn how to adjust. I had to learn how
Speaker 3: not to be a victim, and so I was taught
Speaker 3: by my parents, right, if you're driving as a young
Speaker 3: black man, to always have your wallet on the dashboard
Speaker 3: and never to make any such movements.
Speaker 1: He also knew that if a black man like him
Speaker 1: became the victim of a crime, he couldn't necessarily trust
Speaker 1: the cops to come to his rescue.
Speaker 3: There was often victims of crime in my community and
Speaker 3: we would see the perpetrator not be arrested, justice wouldn't come.
Speaker 3: That's why I became a criminal defense lawyer and see
Speaker 3: the victimization of my community members in the system not
Speaker 3: working to help them. It was at the age of
Speaker 3: fourteen where I had an opportunity to meet an African
Speaker 3: American judge and I went down to the courthouse and
Speaker 3: I walked into the courthouse and that one day shadow
Speaker 3: experience turned into a seven year mentor mentee relationship. He
Speaker 3: taught me that I can do more than pray, that
Speaker 3: I could be involved in the criminal justice system, and
Speaker 3: that led me to go into law and graduate from
Speaker 3: law school and worked for judge and then I did
Speaker 3: public defense work for some years.
Speaker 1: Growing up in the nineteen nineties, topre belonged to the
Speaker 1: generation the felt the promise of the civil rights movement
Speaker 1: had not been realized. The cracker cane epidemic and so
Speaker 1: called war on drugs had devastated black communities across the
Speaker 1: States in the late eighties and the early nineties saw
Speaker 1: a of public unrests when the brutal beating of Rodney
Speaker 1: King at the hands of police officers sparked the La riots.
Speaker 5: Coming out of the civil rights movement.
Speaker 3: We're trying to get into fairness and equality and that
Speaker 3: everyone has a right, black, brown, broke everyone. We're all equal. Well,
Speaker 3: not everyone agreed with that. You have people who were
Speaker 3: in authority and who could police those black and brown communities,
Speaker 3: but still have their same old school mentality that you
Speaker 3: do what I say because I can make you do it.
Speaker 1: Do pre went into practicing law with an air of optimism.
Speaker 1: He was ready to fight for justice and make a
Speaker 1: difference in his community, but he quickly realized that the
Speaker 1: actions of the courts and the law of prosecutorial incentives
Speaker 1: could sometimes get in the way of justice.
Speaker 3: As a prosecutor, the old school mindset was the more
Speaker 3: cases I win, the more convictions I get, the more
Speaker 3: notches that come onto my belt and what you find
Speaker 3: historically again across the country is you have forty six
Speaker 3: percent of all wrongful convictions are due to prosecutorial misconduct.
Speaker 3: The police were the ones who was given the authority
Speaker 3: to keep everyone safe, while at the same time their
Speaker 3: biases as human beings came through. Because of that a
Speaker 3: culture that allowed that authority to go to some folks' heads,
Speaker 3: and if you were the badge at that time, you
Speaker 3: got to do pretty much whatever you wanted to do.
Speaker 3: And so how does something like this happen? I think
Speaker 3: it's the lack of text and balances that was there.
Speaker 3: I think it absolutely was discrimination and racism that was occurring,
Speaker 3: and then the lack of accountability. Now, we later find
Speaker 3: that in the eighties and in the nineties that that
Speaker 3: police department was being investigated by the Department and Justice,
Speaker 3: and was being investigated by others, but none of those
Speaker 3: things were able to stick to the point that records
Speaker 3: were shredded.
Speaker 5: That's not the story of just that department.
Speaker 3: That's the story of this country specifically during that time.
Speaker 1: It was in light of these facts the Marketer Priest
Speaker 1: set his sights on the District Attorney's office.
Speaker 3: I decided to run for DA twenty fourteen. I ran
Speaker 3: as the DA to make change, to hold people accountable,
Speaker 3: to hear the community, and to be in the community.
Speaker 5: And that's what I did.
Speaker 3: And so the citizens of this community wanted to get
Speaker 3: rid of all of those allegations of corruption, and quite frankly,
Speaker 3: many of those folks had experience and had been touched
Speaker 3: by the system and the flaws that were in it.
Speaker 3: The community still believes in making these changes and holding
Speaker 3: people accountable, not just those outside the system, but holding
Speaker 3: people accountable inside the system.
Speaker 1: Mark Duprix was elected in twenty sixteen, taking office as
Speaker 1: Kansas's first black DA in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: I am the only African American elected DA in.
Speaker 5: The entire state of Kansas.
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, I was, and I still am. Before me,
Speaker 3: everyone who sat in this chief Law Enforcement official seat
Speaker 3: at the DA was not a person of color, and
Speaker 3: across the country to this day, ninety two percent of
Speaker 3: those who are sitting in elected DA seats are white men.
Speaker 1: As soon as the assumed office, the people of Wyandot
Speaker 1: County started knocking on his door, sending emails a mail
Speaker 1: calls because the community was desperate for change. One of
Speaker 1: Dupre's first major breakthroughs was the exoneration of Lamont McIntyre,
Speaker 1: But that was just the start.
Speaker 3: After we finished with Lamont's case, I had seen too
Speaker 3: much information that said, you know what, I can't just
Speaker 3: sit silent, right And many people said, well, Dupre, just
Speaker 3: leave it alone.
Speaker 5: You don't want to get into it.
Speaker 3: He's been a dedicated officer for all these years, you know,
Speaker 3: just leave it up.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that good old boy mentality.
Speaker 3: I scratched your back, you scratched mind, and I felt
Speaker 3: like that, Yes, McIntyre had an injustice done to him,
Speaker 3: but quite frankly, for forty years this individual had been
Speaker 3: on the force, and I dare not say that he
Speaker 3: was the only one doing this type of foolishness.
Speaker 1: Dupre had heard rumors that prosecutors, police officers, and people
Speaker 1: working in positions of authority had abused their power, but
Speaker 1: he was about to find out that that corruption ran
Speaker 1: even deeper, realization that would force him to push back
Speaker 1: against the very office he'd assumed. After the break, we'll
Speaker 1: hear what Mark Deprix has been able to achieve and
Speaker 1: explore some of the limits to his agenda for reform.
Speaker 4: And go you, You, and God You.
Speaker 1: After McIntyre was exonerated in twenty seventeen, Wyin Dot County's
Speaker 1: first black DA, Mark Duprix got to work addressing the
Speaker 1: issues he saw when it came to the way the
Speaker 1: justice system treated people in his community.
Speaker 3: Doing this work, I came to the conclusion that it
Speaker 3: was not just about protecting those who are outside the system,
Speaker 3: but it is about making sure that the system itself
Speaker 3: is doing what is right and what is just. It's
Speaker 3: about doing justice and making sure that the victims of
Speaker 3: all races are taken care of. And you don't just
Speaker 3: win by any means necessary. You win based off of
Speaker 3: the law, and if you lose based off of the law,
Speaker 3: guess what. The law still did its job.
Speaker 1: But he saw that the DA's office hadn't always made
Speaker 1: fairness and justice to priority when it came to how
Speaker 1: they treated people. In fact, he was kind of horrified
Speaker 1: when he saw how elements within his new office had
Speaker 1: operated in the past. He believed there had been miscarriages
Speaker 1: of justice, threatening of witnesses, and a failure to take
Speaker 1: a stand against sexual violence. Law enforcement wasn't just protecting
Speaker 1: and serving his community the way they were supposed to
Speaker 1: on some occasions they were actively harming them, and the
Speaker 1: District Attorney's office hadn't been doing enough to challenge them.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, I think it's important to note.
Speaker 3: It's one thing to know corruption exists, right, or you
Speaker 3: you can feel they're not treating us right. It's something
Speaker 3: to know that on the outside of the system looking in.
Speaker 3: It's a whole other thing when you're actually in the
Speaker 3: system and you're the DA and you.
Speaker 5: Actually have the evidence to show I wasn't dripping. This
Speaker 5: was real. I knew they were biased.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, wow, really.
Speaker 5: And so how did that make me feel?
Speaker 3: It made me feel like, uh, you know, despite me
Speaker 3: not ever wanting to be the prosecutor, I now see why.
Speaker 3: I see why I'm here. I believe the Lord pushed
Speaker 3: me into this, and it was for a greater cause.
Speaker 1: The system was broken. Wyandot County needed change and that
Speaker 1: could only come with a real, true reckoning. Sir Mark
Speaker 1: Dupre pushed for Prosecutor Tara Moorehead to be held to account,
Speaker 1: but going up against people in positions of power like
Speaker 1: Morehead isn't easy.
Speaker 3: Tera Moore hit, who was a seasoned prosecutor who had
Speaker 3: a desire to make sure she'd climbed the letter, but.
Speaker 1: Dupre looking into the mcintie case put a spotlight on
Speaker 1: Tara Moorehead's history of alleged misconduct, an investigation that led
Speaker 1: to her being called before a panel at the Kansas
Speaker 1: Board for Discipline of Attorneys and surrendering her license to
Speaker 1: practice law. The Kansas Supreme Court formerly dispired her in
Speaker 1: April twenty twenty four, but one official facing scrutiny wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: The mcintie case had revealed a culture of intimidating witnesses
Speaker 1: and failing to protect victims, a pattern that could only
Speaker 1: thrive in an office that lacked accountability. So duprisa to
Speaker 1: try and create safeguards to protect victims and witnesses and
Speaker 1: ensure the integrity of the justice process.
Speaker 3: The law has changed quite a bit, right, you can't
Speaker 3: threaten a witness.
Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing. You can't threat witnesses.
Speaker 3: But more importantly, there are offices in place where now
Speaker 3: those individuals have the ability to report when it happens,
Speaker 3: so that prosecutors who are going rogue, can get penalized,
Speaker 3: can lose their license, not just their job, but their
Speaker 3: license to practice law. So there's been huge change in
Speaker 3: what I would say in reform into accountability for not
Speaker 3: just prosecutors, but for lawyers and law enforcement alike.
Speaker 1: As well as championing more community focused policing. The DA
Speaker 1: set out to change the culture in his own office.
Speaker 3: I came in and I had to release I believe
Speaker 3: six or nine prosecuting attorneys. It left me with very
Speaker 3: few and I had to hurry up and hire a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of new ones.
Speaker 1: It's important to note that the Italese Daye pre released
Speaker 1: are not publicly accused of or implicated in any wrongdoing.
Speaker 1: According to our reporting, Debrie's reforms drew a hard line,
Speaker 1: which made him enemies the old God who were used
Speaker 1: to being in power. We're not about to vanish withou
Speaker 1: putting up a fight.
Speaker 5: It was tough, you know, all kinds of things. I
Speaker 5: received death threats.
Speaker 3: All of this stuff happened because we wanted real justice
Speaker 3: from the inside out. My children had to grow up
Speaker 3: in a way that I didn't. They had to experience, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: teachers who were married to law enforcement who talk bad
Speaker 3: about their father. Teachers would come to my kids and
Speaker 3: tell them that your father hates police.
Speaker 1: But Dupre remained seidfast.
Speaker 3: I think the best thing that can happen for this
Speaker 3: community is that they see accountability, that no one is
Speaker 3: above the law.
Speaker 1: Dupries started working with the FBI. He took them around
Speaker 1: the community and they began digging around.
Speaker 3: They sent it over to the US Attorney's Office for
Speaker 3: actual prosecution, at which point then the question became, how
Speaker 3: do we get some of these witnesses who may have
Speaker 3: been victimized by this detective Dupries.
Speaker 1: Changes over the past few years have been wide ranging.
Speaker 1: Oh School prosecutors have been phased out, bad prosecutors have
Speaker 1: been taken out of commission, and the police department's culture
Speaker 1: has started to change, while some residents are still unhappy
Speaker 1: about what they perceive as a lack of real measurable change.
Speaker 1: The way dupreputs it, why Dot County is moving forward.
Speaker 3: We have a new police chief, an African American police
Speaker 3: chief who grew up here in this community. As many
Speaker 3: of those officers and detectives during that era has retired
Speaker 3: moved on, and so we have a police department who
Speaker 3: is really focused on justice and every community, and our
Speaker 3: crime rate has gratefully decreased over twenty seven percent, and
Speaker 3: where community based.
Speaker 5: We're focused on the community.
Speaker 3: What we've done in our office is made sure from
Speaker 3: the top that training is known. We've also made it
Speaker 3: very clear that witnesses and victims of crime are our partners.
Speaker 3: They are not to simply do what we say when
Speaker 3: we say it. It was normal practice for threats to
Speaker 3: be made, and if prosecutors approach them as you need
Speaker 3: to do what I tell you to do because I
Speaker 3: need to close this case, then that's where the culture
Speaker 3: of threatening witnesses, the culture of creating evidence, the culture
Speaker 3: of withholding evidence, the culture of winning by any means,
Speaker 3: that's where that culture is formed.
Speaker 5: So again, there's been great reform. We're focused on the
Speaker 5: community and seeing.
Speaker 3: That they have individuals righting wrongs, built that trust that says,
Speaker 3: maybe my grandmother couldn't trust them, but right now we
Speaker 3: have the ability to trust in a law enforcement and
Speaker 3: in a DA who really cares.
Speaker 1: When I initially talked to DA Dupree, I got the
Speaker 1: sense that change was actually happening, that Kansas City and
Speaker 1: the rest of Wine Dot County were about to transform.
Speaker 1: Duprez are compelling talker. He knows the right points to
Speaker 1: tana journalist, and hearing him speak sometimes felt like being
Speaker 1: in a Sunday morning Salmon I was buying into the
Speaker 1: vision he was laying out, and it felt like he
Speaker 1: really did believe that you can change the system from
Speaker 1: the inside. But there are people like our girl friends
Speaker 1: Nicki and Kadija who believe that the most effective way
Speaker 1: to create change is to challenge the systems of authority
Speaker 1: and speak truth to which we'll hear more about after the.
Speaker 4: Break and you glad you and God you.
Speaker 1: Marked depres. Making history by becoming Kansas's first black district
Speaker 1: attorney is something that Nikki and Kadija respect, But making
Speaker 1: history doesn't make you immune to criticism. Each time I've
Speaker 1: spoken to them, I've gotten this sense that there's still
Speaker 1: a lot of unfinished business in wyan Dot County search
Speaker 1: for justice. Some people feel that Dupree's administration hasn't gone
Speaker 1: far enough when it comes to supporting the victims and
Speaker 1: survivors who spoke up but haven't gotten justice yet.
Speaker 2: In the case of Nico, her story was riddled with abuse,
Speaker 2: sexual rare meant by Gelupski, prosecutorial misconduct by Terror Moorehead.
Speaker 2: Her story was not used to charge those people with
Speaker 2: any crimes or look in and investigate into any of that.
Speaker 2: Nobody listened to her beyond exonerating Lamont McIntyre, and so
Speaker 2: that left NKO feeling very used.
Speaker 1: The women has shared that stories put themselves out on
Speaker 1: the line, and some of them aren't sure it was why.
Speaker 2: That a lot of the pathways of justice was wrapped
Speaker 2: up in that federal trial, and when Gulupski committed suicide,
Speaker 2: that pretty much ended that pathway. We were working with
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice on creating new pathways of systemic
Speaker 2: change for wind Dot County to resolve some of these issues,
Speaker 2: but the external factor of the Trump administration has completely
Speaker 2: broken down that relationship.
Speaker 1: When I spoke to Depris, it almost seemed as if
Speaker 1: he was describing an idealized version of Windot County. But
Speaker 1: Nikki thinks this outlook missus the mock because she feels
Speaker 1: like the old God still calls the shots.
Speaker 2: The corruption, the nepotism, the lack of care about people
Speaker 2: who don't look like you, or who are marginalized, or
Speaker 2: who have a harder life, those biases really have seeped
Speaker 2: their way into the culture of our local government and
Speaker 2: it has really shaped the policies that have been made
Speaker 2: over the years, and.
Speaker 1: According to Niki, there are some straightforward changes that d
Speaker 1: Dupree could push FORULL to improve the lives of people
Speaker 1: in the community.
Speaker 2: Mark dupri has every ability in his elected position to
Speaker 2: do a lot more than what he is doing. I
Speaker 2: strongly feel that Wandotte County should be decriminalized for marijuana use.
Speaker 2: They use marijuana possession to target black and brown people, specifically,
Speaker 2: especially in the East area. And he could just make
Speaker 2: the decision that in his office he is not going
Speaker 2: to prosecute marijuana possession, and then that d in Sient
Speaker 2: advises the police department from even looking at marijuana possession,
Speaker 2: and that protects his community. And that is something he
Speaker 2: has the entire authority to do and he doesn't need
Speaker 2: anybody else to do it. But he's not doing it.
Speaker 2: Policing the black and brown community is a part of
Speaker 2: the system that upholds his job. Right, How can you
Speaker 2: not try to do something more or at least be
Speaker 2: more vocal about it in the public.
Speaker 1: But Nicki and Kadija don't see it as just to
Speaker 1: depreach you. It's an issue with power itself.
Speaker 2: Can you really change the system by just working within it,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot in you. You've got to have
Speaker 2: more than just him, and then he's got whole thats
Speaker 2: got to change the whole thing.
Speaker 1: But while they were hesitant to work with the authorities,
Speaker 1: they've seen the impact that being persistent can have on
Speaker 1: creating change within the system, for example. And that's sup
Speaker 1: pole of the Conviction Integrity Unit to presopp it was
Speaker 1: an initiative to empower the community to challenge law and force.
Speaker 1: It later became the Community Integrity Unit and now gives
Speaker 1: the community even more powers to scrutinize and challenge law
Speaker 1: enforcement in Wine Dot County, a sign that's sometimes working
Speaker 1: together can be the most effective way to change things.
Speaker 6: Unless the community rallied around Mark depri for an initiative,
Speaker 6: he doesn't have much he can do without the backing
Speaker 6: of community. That's how we got the Conviction Integrity Unit.
Speaker 6: He would not have been able to do that had
Speaker 6: we not supported that. If there was no grassroots organization
Speaker 6: in Wine Dot County, this would not be happening. And
Speaker 6: so every community does need to establish some sort of
Speaker 6: grassroots organization that holds these government institutions accountable. What will
Speaker 6: always work is fellowship and engagement, and as long as
Speaker 6: we are continuing to build together and collectively sharing our
Speaker 6: stories and collectively doing work, we outnumber them. And I
Speaker 6: think being able to have avenues where the community can
Speaker 6: actually see what's really going on behind the curtain would
Speaker 6: go a long way to make sure that there are
Speaker 6: accountability measures in place, but also build trust.
Speaker 1: Wyan Dot County and Kansas City, Kansas still have a
Speaker 1: long way to go, but the Gallupski story made people
Speaker 1: realize that nobody is above the law and a lot
Speaker 1: of progress can be made when a community comes together
Speaker 1: to hold power to account. Since the story came to light,
Speaker 1: Nicking Kadija have seen more people coming together, putting a
Speaker 1: spotlight on potential wrongdoing and calling it out. While they
Speaker 1: don't always see eye to eye and have different opinions
Speaker 1: on how to enact change, officials like Math and activists
Speaker 1: like Nicking Kadija are doing the crucial work it takes
Speaker 1: improve their community and protect its people's rights.
Speaker 2: I believe in some ways we were moving in the
Speaker 2: right direction. We just have so much that we have
Speaker 2: to make up for the road.
Speaker 1: Justice can be long and arduous, often littered with more
Speaker 1: stepbacks than tangible signs of progress. Pushing back against old
Speaker 1: systems isn't comfortable, and change can take years, decades even,
Speaker 1: But when you love your city and are that deeply
Speaker 1: invested in its future, it's a journey worth fighting for.
Speaker 1: In the next episode of The girl Friends Untouchable, Kadida
Speaker 1: will be having a really thought provoking conversation with doctor
Speaker 1: Marvel Parker, whose husband Wheeler Parker, was a witness to
Speaker 1: his cousin Emmett Till's kidnapping at the hands of a
Speaker 1: lynch mob.
Speaker 7: The open caskin funeral of Immitil is said to have
Speaker 7: been the catalyst that sparked the civil rights movement. Rosa
Speaker 7: park said, when she refused to give her seat up
Speaker 7: on the bus, she thought about Immittiel and she stayed
Speaker 7: in her seat. And we know that one act was
Speaker 7: the birth of the Montgomery bus boycott that brought that
Speaker 7: to Kina Town, that gave birth to the civil rights movement.
Speaker 7: Emmit's death was the spark.
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