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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast, Lost the locker Room and

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Speaker 1: can't find you. Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Jnsas and

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Speaker 1: I am joined my room, built up some heroes. To

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Speaker 1: my left, Chris Westling, tell my al right, Greg Rozatal,

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Speaker 1: what's op? Boys? All right? I'm so happy to be

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Speaker 1: back here. It's safe in here. After a long journey

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Speaker 1: in the studio and I feel better. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: fun doing the show on the road, but it's good

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Speaker 1: to be back with you. Guys. What I'm booking your

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Speaker 1: travel now book. I know your big time and you're

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Speaker 1: becoming a prima donna. But wait a second, not going.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I wish Mark Sessler is with family.

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Speaker 1: Cryptic text, and uh, what else would he doing in

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Speaker 1: off day? I think the way Greg, you built the

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Speaker 1: He wisely he gave Mark three straight days off after Combine.

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Speaker 1: So maybe like that, it's like putting a goldfish into

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Speaker 1: be too much of a culture shock to drop Mark

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Speaker 1: where you're going with it. My number one combat family

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Speaker 1: guy who jumped forty three inch or inches and and

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Speaker 1: Sessler's power play was my number one takeaway from the combine. Wow, Greg,

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Speaker 1: do you have any concerns that Mark enjoyed being the

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Speaker 1: doesn't even know Byron Jones name. The guy who I

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Speaker 1: boning up on our prospect knowledge and that's why we're

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Speaker 1: gonna have Bucky Brooks in here regularly as we get

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft in Chicago. Well, how did you feel about

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Speaker 1: So uh, with that, we got a very nice show.

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Speaker 1: I love today's show. We got a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: my colleagues at that time. Uh TV, let's listen this.

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Speaker 1: you know. Let's let's pull a you know, peek behind

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Speaker 1: the curtain here. What that is is Julius Thomas's agents

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Speaker 1: being buddies or talking to those reporters, one in Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: one Atlanta, saying, Hey, I was at the combine and

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Speaker 1: I talked uh to Julius Thomas. I mean I talked

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Speaker 1: to these two teams and they had some interest, and

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Speaker 1: they had this level of interest or that, and then

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Speaker 1: the writer puts it in there and they kind of

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Speaker 1: couch it as speculation because it's all unofficial or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's how the sausage is made. Look at

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Speaker 1: Greg Growthenthal. I mean, I don't know this first act

438
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Speaker 1: in this case, but that's years of football reporting experience.

439
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Speaker 1: He's a real journal journal. That's basically what it comes

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Speaker 1: down to, and that The problem now is these little

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Speaker 1: combined stories aren't as juicy as they used to be

442
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Speaker 1: because free agency is now too far away. It used

443
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Speaker 1: to be right after the combine and so teams would

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Speaker 1: really be talking deals. They'd say, hey, will you promise

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Speaker 1: I'll give you thirty two million over eight years and

446
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Speaker 1: then kind of shop it around. Now they can't, there's

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Speaker 1: too long of a gap. But I'm sure they're receiving

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Speaker 1: interest from the Jaguars and Falcons. Why wouldn't he receive interests?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's two time pro Bowl or just broke

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Speaker 1: a record for uh twelve, first tight end in history

451
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Speaker 1: with twelve touchdowns and back to back year. He's a

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Speaker 1: good player. He of course he's going to get interest

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Speaker 1: and speaking of free agency, there will be a familiar

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Speaker 1: name added to the running back list. D'Angelo Williams will

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Speaker 1: be released by the Panthers or has been released. He's

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Speaker 1: the all time leading rusher in Panthers history, but he

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Speaker 1: was essentially uh made redundant by Jonathan Stewart, proving definitively

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Speaker 1: that he could handle that role in a more three

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Speaker 1: down basis, so for eight weeks. Okay, So D'Angelo Williams

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Speaker 1: will not be back with the Panthers. Thirty one years old,

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Speaker 1: has had some nice moments in his career, but uh West,

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Speaker 1: it's been a while since 'angel Williams was a difference

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Speaker 1: maker in this league, right, what was it two thousand seven?

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Speaker 1: Since he had that fifteen yards big year ninety was

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Speaker 1: solid as well. He was actually pretty good just last

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Speaker 1: year two thousand he had over a thousand total yards

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Speaker 1: from scrimmage. It was pretty effective, I mean, but has

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Speaker 1: never has never been close to what his contracts said

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Speaker 1: he should have been Marty Herdy, who gave him that

470
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Speaker 1: was one of the craziest contracts ever, twenty one million

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Speaker 1: guaranteed coming out of the lockout, and then the next

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Speaker 1: year he doubled down and gave the same amount of money.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart, it never made sense to like mid level.

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Speaker 1: Is Marty Herny still a general lander in the NFL? No,

475
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Speaker 1: but he but he might still be paying Jake to

476
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Speaker 1: loan right. He had to awkwardly defend D'Angel Williams contract

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Speaker 1: on television to be Deangel Woods the type of guy

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Speaker 1: A lot of people, if you're a fan of a

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Speaker 1: team on Twitter, is like, oh, maybe we should go

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Speaker 1: get the Angel Williams. But it's like generally if a

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Speaker 1: guy gets the free agency or cut, you want no

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Speaker 1: part of him, and I would include them. That's why

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Speaker 1: Julius Thomas, now that I'm thinking about it, not to

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Speaker 1: go back there, but yeah, let's just do it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many uh, how many in your in their prime

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Speaker 1: like tight ends like that ever become available. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think how much Jared Cook got on the free agent market.

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Speaker 1: Julius tom is much better than Jaimes. Thomas is an

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Speaker 1: awesome free agent to like in the middle of his prime,

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Speaker 1: that talented, like he's gonna get huge, huge money. That's

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Speaker 1: all I have to say. That's good, that's fine. It

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Speaker 1: was It's right to the double back. Can I go

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Speaker 1: from uh Peyton Maning to Blake Bortles. Yeah, that's the

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Speaker 1: thing to watch with him. Alright, So gentlemen, before that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the news before we move on, I

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Speaker 1: I be remiss not to mention what we were talking

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Speaker 1: about downstairs in the newsroom. That and Greg you might

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Speaker 1: want to turn down the headset for this. It is

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Speaker 1: time and TD you might want to turn up the headset.

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Speaker 1: It is time for another edition of how About That?

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Speaker 1: It's coming back and we're gonna get We're gonna ask

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Speaker 1: for a whole new batch of contestants to take on West.

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Speaker 1: And in case you're not familiar as an audience or

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Speaker 1: if you have new listeners, it's a game of skill

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Speaker 1: and valor a trivia game. West is known as a scientist.

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Speaker 1: Uh takes on a listener in trivia and if you win,

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Speaker 1: you get yourself an NFL toaster. Greg had beaten West

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Speaker 1: in a huge upset. The Buster Douglas moment of our

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Speaker 1: trivia game, and then Greg was taken down by our

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Speaker 1: usen or Bernard from Brooklyn and true buster Douglas Fashion,

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Speaker 1: who then bequeath the toaster back to West. And it's

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Speaker 1: something that left Gregg it's always been a stupid game

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Speaker 1: shaking his head and the fact that it's just allowed

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Speaker 1: to be given to someone, what a what a lack

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Speaker 1: of it was bequeath What a lack of integrity and

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Speaker 1: really self respect to just take something that you haven't

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Speaker 1: even earned. Chris West Lane, I've won I don't know

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Speaker 1: ten or eleven matches of win Westerns Toaster you've won.

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Speaker 1: You haven't won a single one against me. That's That's

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna have over you forever because I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm in retirement, I'm never coming out. I'm want to

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Speaker 1: know against West and that's it. And let me let

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Speaker 1: me tell you that as the don king of this event,

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Speaker 1: that I this is all just setting up a titanic

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Speaker 1: rematch between you two down the road. But right now,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get West's confidence back. We got to get

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Speaker 1: the listeners back in the mix, because you know, despite

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Speaker 1: what Greg says, I get tons of tweets all the

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Speaker 1: time saying bring back Win West's toaster. So t D

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Speaker 1: behind the glass. What we need to do is you

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Speaker 1: you reach out to at producer t D. You if

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Speaker 1: you think you have to be good at trivia. By

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Speaker 1: the way, there's a screening process. Uh, if you think

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Speaker 1: you were a stoner from Canada, if you if you

535
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Speaker 1: or if you're a stoner from Canada, you tweet a

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Speaker 1: t D. Make sure you use the hashtag w w

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Speaker 1: T and uh then say you want in and if

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Speaker 1: you're lucky enough, and if you think he got it,

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Speaker 1: you take west On and we'll do that in a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks from now. But right now the process

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Speaker 1: is about finding a true competitor for the great Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling t D. Any thoughts shout out to Brandon who

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Speaker 1: who won the last toaster, that's all. We have been

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Speaker 1: talking about him as well. But if you, if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to the show, did you send Bernards his toaster?

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Speaker 1: By the way? All right, so clearly not the prime

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Speaker 1: for he got a jets jersey he didn't want because

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Speaker 1: he didn't want that. He tweeted a picture of himself

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Speaker 1: in the jet All right, good, so yes, and that's

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Speaker 1: a shouldn't it be called win Bernard's toaster. All right, Bernard,

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Speaker 1: it was big, We damn it. So get keep your

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Speaker 1: eye after that that we'll be exciting, uh and moving

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Speaker 1: on all right, Chris, speaking of which I very rarely

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Speaker 1: call you, Chris. So it was a little weird even

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Speaker 1: as Mr Westling cut candidates. So we talked about the

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Speaker 1: players veterans that have a chance to be released between

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Speaker 1: now and the start of free agency. And you're working

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Speaker 1: up a really big, exhaustive list for both conferences. Uh, Greg,

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Speaker 1: why don't you get us going? We have a have

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Speaker 1: a top ten here? Should I read the top ten

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Speaker 1: for the a f C? Is that a good way

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Speaker 1: to start things? All right? Here's the top ten cut

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Speaker 1: candidates for the a f C. Percy Harvin, Troy Paul Amalu,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Bow, Trent Richardson and Reggie Wayne Combo Pack, Matt Shob,

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Speaker 1: Maurice Jones, Drew and Lamar Woodley, a Raiders triple pack, uh,

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Speaker 1: Danelle ellerb and Courtland Finnegan nine and ten, Brian Hartline

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Speaker 1: eleven and Brandon Gibson at twelve. So to wide receive

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Speaker 1: us for the Dolphins, I'm doing a top four teens.

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Speaker 1: A you could just skip him the last couple of Titans.

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Speaker 1: So the matter, I don't even know what that those

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Speaker 1: last names were. So, uh, what's let's start there, Greg Rosenthal, Well,

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Speaker 1: this is the list of players you basically expect to

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Speaker 1: be cut. You'd be surprised if Troy Paulo Malo is

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Speaker 1: not cut. That's pretty interesting to me. I have rearranged,

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Speaker 1: uh some of these names on the potential surprise list. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and Paulo Malo is now on my potential surprise list

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Speaker 1: after doing a little bit more research that he fell

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Speaker 1: from two all the way down to the surprise list. Well,

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Speaker 1: namely that Art Rooney has has said publicly that he

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Speaker 1: wants Palmo to retire as a Steeler and made it

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Speaker 1: pretty clear he doesn't want him to play for any

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Speaker 1: other team. So well, Harvard's though, the name that stands

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Speaker 1: out to me. You mentioned him, right, Dan, and I

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Speaker 1: would not keep I would not cut Percy Harmon's. I

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Speaker 1: think the Jets are in good position to keep them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've paid him a lot of money, but

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Speaker 1: they have the cap room. If I'm their general manager,

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Speaker 1: Mike mccagnan, and you come in, you got Decker, you

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Speaker 1: got Harvard, you got Curly, you got Comby, you got

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Speaker 1: Chris Ivory. You're not gonna have Comby, but you got Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's some money to spend. You got. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: that's not a bad group. And you're not giving him

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Speaker 1: some big signing bonus. You're kind of playing it out.

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Speaker 1: Pay him for one year, see what he could do.

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Speaker 1: He seems like a really nice fit for Chan Gailey's offense.

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Speaker 1: I would say that, yes, I agree that he potentially

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Speaker 1: could fit in that offense. Well, Um and the fact

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Speaker 1: that the way then the contract is currently built, it's

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Speaker 1: a year to year thing. But to me, if I

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Speaker 1: had a chance to have Um Decker playing alongside uh

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Speaker 1: Randall Cobb, who had liked better as a player, I

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Speaker 1: know you disagree, but I do. Or one of these

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Speaker 1: top wide receivers UH White or Amari Cooper to me,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's a safer bet and

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Speaker 1: I'm more comfortable comfortable going out and down that road.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that would really upset me, but you

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Speaker 1: gotta make this Harvard decision. First. You don't know who's

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Speaker 1: gonna slip to you at number six. You don't know

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Speaker 1: how you're going to get one of those two top

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Speaker 1: wide receivers, or you have a ton of money, you could,

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Speaker 1: you know, to bring somebody in. Who knows, Maybe they

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Speaker 1: both good flexibility, they look pretty good, I mean, or

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Speaker 1: who knows who? Maybe Jamis Woodson falls to number six

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Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're taking him at six, and you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you make this decision. My only fear,

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Speaker 1: and this speaks to your point, is if they decide

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Speaker 1: they don't want to move forward with Harvin, and then

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Speaker 1: they exact and they don't replace anybody, and then you're

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Speaker 1: about about Harvin versus com Oh yeah, what did you

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Speaker 1: say that, Cobb? You said you would that basically a

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Speaker 1: poor man's Harvin. As far as when when Harvin's healthy,

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Speaker 1: Harvin is much faster and stronger than Randall Cobb, a

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Speaker 1: better playmaker, well, Cordurell Patterson's faster and stronger than than

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Speaker 1: those two two. He's not that great at football, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Harvin is great at football, but

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Speaker 1: your what's the analogy here? You're talking about some hyper

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Speaker 1: idealized version of peak Harvin that he gets for three

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Speaker 1: games every three years. That's not the reality that that

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Speaker 1: teams have to work with. I wouldn't you much rather

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Speaker 1: have That's not well, that's not what the debate wasn't

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Speaker 1: a news room. I agree that Randall Cobbs should earn

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Speaker 1: more money than Harvard because he's more reliable, But when

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Speaker 1: Harvard's healthy, he is a better talent than Randall cop

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm surprised as I look further down

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Speaker 1: the list potential surprise cuts. You have Danny Amadola of

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Speaker 1: the Patriots on the list, and I wonder if this

638
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: is just so you can in your mind, on some level,

639
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: maybe that would free him up to join your stable

640
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: boys forever or get a condo somewhere. He's on this

641
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: list because due to strong, strong armed tactics from Greg Rosenthal,

642
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: who enjoys seeing grown men lose their jobs. What you're

643
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: the one article? What you think I want Amadola off

644
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: the team? Yeah? What about Vince Wilferck, who you have

645
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: in the middle of list here, Big Vince, maybe not

646
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: the same guy who was, but still like a heart

647
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: of that entire organization. Yeah, that's it's a perfect guy

648
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: to put you put on your surprise cuts list, so

649
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: we're not counting on it. Wilfork is someone I think

650
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: if if you look at the salary and you look

651
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: at the production that he had last year and the

652
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: level of play Robert Kraft loves him, and the stories

653
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: where he played a big part in keeping Wolfork, and

654
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: it would be cold blooded to cut Wilfork after that

655
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl trophy. But isn't that kind of the not

656
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: as can you imagine the Patriots doing that? Not as

657
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: cold blooded as trading Logan Mankins before his first Super

658
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: Bowl trophy. And by the way, Greg knows he could

659
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: get rid of any of these players and he'd still

660
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: end up twelve and four and deep the playoffs. I'm look,

661
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying. I want to. I would want to

662
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: keep Vince Wolfork. He's a guy there. He is got

663
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: gold blunions. That's what do you call those bunions? What

664
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Speaker 1: what do you call a gold bully on gold bullying bully?

665
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: And he's got jugs of wine as a man feeding

666
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: him grapes. I'm aware of bullion cubes. That's you know,

667
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: he's a little Toto Lady soup with that little boy

668
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: back a little bit so and this me. I had

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00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 1: like the Game of Thrones Throne of Ease music, you know,

670
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: and then Dent hits me up the email the other day.

671
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, let's let's use this one. It represents

672
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Greg's clumsy nature. Wow, that's not what I said something

673
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, let's get whimsical. Then those are calling

674
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: clumsy is a little different. You're trying to get me

675
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: fired over all, right, whimsical TV, what's up? Greg's a

676
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: clumsy ox give him this. It's like a little bit difference.

677
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: Then Greg's whimsical. That's fair. Yeah, that where you're gonna

678
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: going with me? Talk about clumsy The Throne and Game

679
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: of Throne. There's nothing easy about it. I haven't need

680
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: to watch it. Well, let's let's talk about some of

681
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: these other surprises I got. We gotta move to we

682
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: gotta do you have anything else? This is great? We

683
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: got a ton of great stuff. Greg takes glee and

684
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: other men losing their jobs. Greg, Yeah, Peyton Manning, we're

685
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna talk about we know this this potentially gonna because

686
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: you know Peyton Manning. We're I'm still a part of

687
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: the camp that believes Peyton Manning not a lock. What

688
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: that be amazing if he got cut by the Denver Broncos.

689
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: And then you've got Darrell Revis, Mike Wallace. Tom Alie's

690
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: the name I haven't heard a lot of people talk about,

691
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: but that wouldn't surprise me if they cut. What's the

692
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: percentage chance that Darrell Rivis is a free agent? You

693
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: think thirty? That seems low to me, that seems low.

694
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: I just think they'll work out a long term deal.

695
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll pay him twenty million dollars, so

696
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I do think. I think he'll either be cut or

697
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: they'll have a long term deal. I don't think they're

698
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: just going to keep him at that salary. All right,

699
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: anything else, Greg you want to hit on the potential surprises,

700
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace will probably still be there. Right They met

701
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: with him during the combine. Actually take something out of that,

702
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: the fact that Mike wall that the Dolphins care enough

703
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: to meet with his side to try to work something.

704
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: Now it seems like they're not ready to shut the door.

705
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: That would be crazy because if they went they went

706
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: full Panthers, then they cut their basically their their their

707
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: entire wide receiver corpate. They also get rid of heartline Uh,

708
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: moving towards you went back to corp she did. I

709
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna stop. Alright, Greg, is there anyone else

710
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: you want to hit on here in your club nature?

711
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Let's whimsically go to the NFC? Alright, let's do that,

712
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: all right. So here's the top of Westling's NFC list.

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Speaker 1: Unless he's edited to undermine our podcast, this is in

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: no particular Okay, this'll go up on. By the way,

715
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: when you listen to this, you can read the a

716
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Speaker 1: f C one hot high octane and then Wednesday will

717
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: drop the end. Yeah. Take that the list you have

718
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: in front of you. Okay, I'll just pull out some

719
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: interesting names and maybe we'll break down what they are. Cutler,

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00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall is interesting to me, of course. Adrian Peterson, Uh,

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00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush. I think we could take Kima Nuke off

722
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: this list. Uh. Pierre Garzone, That one jumps out to me. Yeah,

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00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: what you really think they would cut Pierre Garson? Is

724
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: there any that if you're not going to use him,

725
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: why pay him nine million dollars? Well, they don't use

726
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: him in j Gruden's offense. So this is basically you

727
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: living out some sort of I don't know anger that

728
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 1: you have towards the Redskins. No, that's hashtag analysis. He's

729
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: a bad fitness offense. He played the X and had

730
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: a great year the year before in Kyle Shanahan's office offense.

731
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Then Jake Gruden brings his offensive and makes Deshaun Jackson

732
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: the centerpiece, turns Peter Garson into a blocker. Well, they

733
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: gave him a lot of big signing bonus, they'd have

734
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: to take a bit of a cap hit. Sounds like

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00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: that might just be one where they restructure him and

736
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Speaker 1: keep him. Uh name that jumps out to me on

737
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: West's list, Riley Cooper. Uh when I wrote the offseason forecast.

738
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Speaker 1: Obviously he fell off a cliff. But apparently the way

739
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: the contracts written, they would cost them more to get

740
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: rid of them than to keep him. Is he that

741
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: bad where that they would just wash their hands of him?

742
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: Who was worse than him? Last year? Like his whole

743
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: season was Reggie Wayne's last two months and and really,

744
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: if you think about it, two years ago or whatever,

745
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, he was one of the worst

746
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: wide receiver starters in the league. Two so two out

747
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: of the last three years. I guess it was twelve. Sorry,

748
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean he has been one of the one in

749
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: the middle, had what tender touchdowns. But yeah, I mean

750
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: you make a good point. I mean, but also, you

751
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: know you have to keep Jeremy Macklin. They've gotta find

752
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: a way to keep him in the building. I wouldn't

753
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: bank on that then making a hard play to keep him.

754
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are waiting for him, make a

755
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: run at him, re uniting with Andy Reid and bring

756
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: him back home. I like the top of your list here,

757
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: Cutler and Marshall. It's hard for me to imagine them

758
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: cutting Cutler. I mean, I understand why you put him

759
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: on a list. He should be on the list. It's

760
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: hard for me, uh to imagine them cutting Cutler rather

761
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: because just you're gonna be paid him to go away

762
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: and you don't have a logical quarterback solution. I think

763
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: they'll try to trade him. But Marshall is interesting that

764
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: they don't seem like totally convinced that they want to

765
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: keep Brandon Marshall round despite being very productive. The weird

766
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: thing about this to me and somebody there Bears another

767
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: team with the forecast, and then some Bears fan got

768
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: on me about you know, everybody's saying that Brendan Marshall

769
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: is such a huge headache and do teams want to

770
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: to deal with that? And you know what, what is

771
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: he really? How was he a headache last season? Uh?

772
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of a good point. There was

773
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: the locker room yelling incident. He went he were inside

774
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: the NFL, which is an annoying thing. But I mean

775
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe there's behind the scenes. Articles come out in the

776
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: last few weeks, one from Chicago Tribune, I think, one

777
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: from the Sun Times and another one from Hub Artist

778
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: who used to write for Pro Football Weekly, all basically

779
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: slamming him and saying teammates and coaches did not did

780
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: not like his attitude. And I think him traveling every

781
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: Tuesday to do inside the NFL rankled quite a few people.

782
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: Is what that's possible that he is a locker room lawyer.

783
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I don't know what a locker what do

784
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: we asked? We asked Tannenbaum about that, Yeah, and don't

785
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: he gave a good answer. And he actually is a lawyer,

786
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: so he would think that he would have He didn't

787
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: seem to know either, But uh, maybe rend Im martially

788
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: is a locker room. By the way, Greg Jennings on

789
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: this list, that's a good that's a good one. When

790
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: North Turner has taken shots at you in directly by

791
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: calling Charles Johnson the b receiver by far on the team.

792
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, Greg Jennings is not long for minutes? What

793
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: about Jake Long? Who who's not getting his left tackle

794
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: job back? Who who's falling off a cliff faster? Not

795
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: other other than Riley Cooper than Jake Long. His body

796
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: I gets just betrayed him. Well, I would argue it's

797
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: been a slow decline. I mean, he's had a lot

798
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: of injuries over his career, so even in Miami he

799
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: was struggling there. The contract that they gave him was

800
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: very surprising to a lot of people when it happened,

801
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: and I'd be stunned if he was back. I expect

802
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: him to be cut. Anybody else on lives see Stephen

803
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Jackson's here, He's gone. Steven Jackson gonna get another job.

804
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: He might be dead. I could see him getting one

805
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: more one year backup job type of thing. You know.

806
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: Thinks so West, I think he's it's time to go.

807
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: He he moves like Trent Richardson. You have Jerry Evans

808
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: and Marcus Colston. You could throw Ben Grubs on there

809
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: as well, who reportedly needs to restructure his contract. The

810
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: Saints kind of they're kind of a team I wonder

811
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: like some of these big contracts. Not their windows closing,

812
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: but they almost feel like one of those teams that

813
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: keeps having to cut players because they got into cap trouble.

814
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: They're in bigger cap trouble than any team right now,

815
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: right and so that that's that you do not want

816
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to be there. They have not really one many games

817
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: the last year's It's just something's bad about in New

818
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: Orleans right now. I think there's a feeling like, oh,

819
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: they'll bounce back, but I don't know. I don't know

820
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: if they're ever going to get back to to where

821
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: they were. You might even say there's bad voodoo. Well,

822
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: I tweeted to I tweeted from the airplane yesterday being

823
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: able to spy on a Rob Bryan fast food session.

824
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was great. I like that little you

825
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: did one of those you know sometimes people go on

826
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Speaker 1: like fifteen tweets. It was inspired by Norm McDonald, who,

827
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: if you care about SNL went on an epic uh

828
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: storytelling rant. Last week about how Eddie Murphy old almost

829
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: was in a played Bill Cosby and a Jeopardy sketch

830
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: for their fourt anniversary special, and he went on for

831
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Speaker 1: a hundred tweets about it two hours, which is amazing.

832
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I I basically live not live tweeted,

833
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: but I report tweeted on Lovey Smith, followed by Rob

834
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: Ryan going to chick fil A and uh, Rob Bryan

835
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: was instantly recognized by one of the cooks behind was

836
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: uh taking a picture of his phone and I thought,

837
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: was there any other coordinator in football that would have

838
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: been recognized besides Rob? That's a good question. I'm trying

839
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: to think of former head coaches that maybe Wade Phillips,

840
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: but uh, and then he ordered to chicken one spicy

841
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: and one plane and a medium dr pepper. Well, you're

842
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: buried the lead here? Where did you eat before this?

843
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: I went to Kayoba, which I looked at chickil A

844
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: and then I looked at Kayoba and I was like, ah,

845
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: let me try Kadoba, immediately regretted and then we never

846
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Speaker 1: even heard of ka I've seen it never. It's a

847
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Speaker 1: mid to lower tier Mexican eatery like third in the list,

848
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: behind Free Birds three birds, I don't know three birds. Well.

849
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Gold Standard and I were tweeting back and forth afterwards

850
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: about a division of Mexican food joints, and we had uh.

851
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: I had Baja Fresh at eleven and five, at Chipotle

852
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: ten and six. I had Katoba at five and eleven,

853
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: and then Taco Bell at four and twelve Free Bridge. Okay,

854
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: let's sare about fresh. If we can only count l

855
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: A Chains, we'll put Pechino Moss in. You two with

856
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: the bye. I did Taco Bell get even a single win? Yeah?

857
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: I had to put somebody in last place. And that

858
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: was all I thought of, all right, before we go.

859
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: So that's that happened before we go. Let's talk about

860
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: the combine a little bit. Let's circle back and and

861
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: uh and talk about the what we saw on TV,

862
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: what we want I saw in person at Lucas Oil Stadium. Greg,

863
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: you have some hot takes, I'm sure, So we'll start

864
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: with you. Oh really, all right, don't don't trip over

865
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: your feet, old clumsy Rosenthal. Well we're not college experts

866
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: are out of here. We have Bucky really to help

867
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: us out. And Daniel and you were just starting to

868
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: learn these players. But I did start to get excited

869
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: about the wide receiver class, thinking about, you know, these

870
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: are guys like last year who are gonna be a

871
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: big part of our lives. Again, I don't think it's

872
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: gonna be. Last year's receiver class really one of the

873
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: best of all time as rookies if we didn't know

874
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: that until but we we thought that they were going

875
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: to be pretty good then, and that's why five or

876
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: six went in the first round, and they went so early.

877
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: And just watching these guys, especially uh Kevin White and

878
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper and Devanti Parker, it seems like three guys

879
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: could go as high as the top ten, top twelve.

880
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: And DJ made the point he thinks that they are

881
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: as safe as any picks in the draft, which is

882
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: interesting to hear us about a wide receiver, but you

883
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: can see that in today's NFL with the rules and everything,

884
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: and just watching how these guys skills translate. I mean,

885
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: White's a beast. Yeah, he definitely. Uh Mary Cooper when

886
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: he went into the combine, a lot of people said

887
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: he was the top guy. Now I feel like White

888
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: is taking that over, and I did briefly in my mind.

889
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Um talking myself into. Originally, I was like, oh, we

890
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: take Mariota the Jets at six, and then you know,

891
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: we'll figure out figure out something down the line, but

892
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: get that quarterback. Then for a while I talked myself

893
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: into grabbed one of those receivers at number six, whether

894
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: it's White or Cooper. Then come back and get some

895
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Bryce Petty, who I was loving. And then I say

896
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: I sat in on a Mike Mayock press conference and

897
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: he explained that these spread quarterbacks are you They're completely

898
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: mysteries because you can't see how they react in the

899
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: pocket and how they run an offense and whether they

900
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: have any awareness, and it scared me off. He said

901
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: that Bryce Petty and the Huntley kid are at least

902
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: one year projects. And more than that, I saw DJ

903
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: had career snaps under center for some of these guys.

904
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariotta five in his entire college career. Well, I

905
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: was I was listening at the Senior bo. I think

906
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: it was Gus Bradley on on the set with NFL

907
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: Network and he said he asked his group, but thirty players,

908
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: how many of you guys huddled last year? And it

909
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: was only like six guys out of thirty and then

910
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: it's the insane, like just huddled regularly, you know, as

911
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: part of your team, because that's that's what teams do.

912
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: But it's a totally it's a totally different game and

913
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: in a different position. Spread quarterback is a different position

914
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: than NFL quarters well, and quarterbacks could emerge from the

915
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: later rounds and be factors that it happens all the time.

916
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, one thing as we were

917
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: getting to know this this class better, is it's a

918
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: huge drop from those top two to really anyone that

919
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: I think people are going to be excited about. It's

920
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: not like the Kaepernick, Dalton and who else was in

921
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: that little group there in the second round where there

922
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: was where there was this group of guys in that

923
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: class where people are thinking, Okay, they might not go

924
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: in the first round, but these guys could be factors

925
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: pretty soon. It doesn't seem like that class. Yeah, And

926
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, but then you think about this spread thing

927
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: and what Mayok said, he likened it to putting someone

928
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: from kindergarten into a college level class. Mariota, why is

929
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: he then the number five pick if he's that at

930
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: that same level where you can't figure out how he

931
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: can play half of the game. I mean, I heard

932
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: scares me a little bit. Chip Kelly weighed in on

933
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: this and basically said that Mariota is the smartest player

934
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: he's ever been around, and he will pick it up

935
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: extremely fast, and nobody has to worry about his work

936
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: ethic or putting in the time because everybody's convinced that

937
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: he's that guy who will pick it up quickly and

938
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: be committed to it. I thought we were going to

939
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: come out of the combine people would be talking about

940
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: him as a potential number one again, just because how

941
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: can you knock the guy for just doing well and

942
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: everything he's done and he shows up to the combine.

943
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: He he runs fast. He tests really well, which wasn't

944
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: a surprise. So he's wildly athletic. He's known as being accurate.

945
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: He showed off a good arm in college when they

946
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: asked him to, and he did at the combine too.

947
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: Usually players don't throw at the combine and very well,

948
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: and everyone was really impressed with how Marietta throws. So

949
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: he's accurate. He's got great measurables, he's smart, he works hard.

950
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, he was in a spread offense. But

951
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: that's a lot to like. One thing I did here

952
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: on the floor and it's funny because TD just ping me,

953
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: so I was about to throw it to him. Was

954
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: I heard some people talking about how he carries himself,

955
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: the way the way he walks, and yes, body language,

956
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: So TD the body language expert, your thoughts and Marcus Marianna.

957
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't a combine this year, but was doing some

958
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: research back here for some other stuff. And the one

959
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: thing that stands out our show on him, he might

960
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: might be he's a He's a very quiet guy. He's

961
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: very self spoken kind of guy, and which is good.

962
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: He's respectful. That's that's good to open in a room

963
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: full of grown men commanding the HUD. I don't like

964
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: think about it right now. You I mean, you're shrugging,

965
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: been in a huddle to command. But that's a good point,

966
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: Like can't you do it like that? That's That's what

967
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask. Joe Flacco won a Super Bowl. Joe

968
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: Flacco was not that quiet. Joe Flack was a fun

969
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: guy though, like teammates Eli Man, he's won a couple

970
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: of Super Bowls. He's he's always the who has the

971
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: worst body language up there, at least early in his

972
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: old shrug and Elive they call him that's his actually

973
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: birth name. Well there. It was really striking to watch

974
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: Mariota and Winston, for instance, when they interviewed on the

975
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: set with NFL Network. I mean they couldn't be more

976
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed. I mean, in Winston very gregarious. I think

977
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: some people wondering, you know, is that I don't know

978
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: a sales job or something. But it's hard not to

979
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: like did they give him the old Eddie Haskell tag?

980
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: That's my favorite one, but the Scout term he's got

981
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: a little Eddie Haskell in him, Like you can't believe

982
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: anything he says, I know what you're talking about right now,

983
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: but help out everyone else after Eddie Haskell is a

984
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: character and leave it to Beaver. And he was always

985
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: up to no good and blaming things on other people.

986
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: You just couldn't believe it. He was disingenuous, and I

987
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: think that's what Scouts always say, that he's got some

988
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: Eddie Haskell in him, kind of like that's what they

989
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: used to say Cam Newton's fake smile or whatever. What

990
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: do you think about jamis Uh? He is like you said,

991
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: he's very boisterous, but there's questions how genuine is this

992
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: guy seems kind of shady, but oh come on, I

993
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: mean I don't know this. The verdic is still out,

994
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: but I do like his enthusiasm. And people are saying

995
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: that something that NFL teams are going to beat out

996
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: of him. Better come in because I disagree that. I

997
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: don't think PR teams are going to be beat that

998
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: out of him, because he seems like a guy that

999
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: feeds off that. He needs that energy, he needs that

1000
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: enthusiasm to play. Well, look, I'm not trying to date

1001
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: these guys or whatever. I don't care about their personalities

1002
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: that much. Everything they say about Jamis Winson watching and stuff,

1003
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: it seems like exactly what you want out of out

1004
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: of your quarterback. That comparison was to Ben Roethlisberger, which

1005
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: of course is going to get me excited. I mean,

1006
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: he can anticipate, accurate, big arm football smart, Like, what

1007
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: what more do you want? I think the comparisons to

1008
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: Big Ben might extend to off the field. Well, I

1009
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: would take it. If you can sign up, if you

1010
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: can sign up for another career a Big Ben and

1011
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: you're you're not you're not gonna let him pass on

1012
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: the draft board because of off the field stuff. All right,

1013
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: that's it. That's all we have time for. And thankfully

1014
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: Bucky will uh you know, lead us uh to more

1015
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: college football goodness. And that was good. That was a

1016
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: good start. It was pretty good. It's pretty day good.

1017
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: We will be back when you guys, Yes, really pre wrap.

1018
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: So I had this drop. Okay, yeah, this is gonna

1019
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: upset Dan. I mean he was trying to wrap. Okay,

1020
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hear him out the show because you know, birthdays.

1021
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: I think I know where you're going, and I wanted

1022
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: to know because I contend that everyone sort of knows

1023
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: where they were when fifty first came out. I thought,

1024
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask if West knew who that was. I

1025
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: think I really wanted to know where Mark. Mark's answers

1026
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: to this, But do you guys remember when fifty first

1027
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: dropped in that single first game out? Do you know

1028
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: what you wear? What you're up to? Because it was

1029
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: it was I was in Hoboken and it was basically,

1030
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: you know, one of the biggest singles of all time. Man.

1031
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: I was in Cincinnati working at a law firm. I

1032
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: do remember when it came out? I mean I was.

1033
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: I know I was in New York because I was

1034
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: there for ten years, but I don't know. I don't.

1035
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: One of the stupidest videos it was like Dr Dre

1036
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: basically turning fifty cent into Ivan Drago and it was

1037
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of like mail and and like

1038
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: upside down sit ups. It was excuse me, it was.

1039
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: It was just weird. Uh, every do you want to

1040
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: ask me when I where I was when Juveniles Hat

1041
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: came in? Then I'll know exactly where I was seated.

1042
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: What couch which you know couch? Do you want to

1043
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: ask me when new radicals you get what you give

1044
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: came up? I mean that was I was running through

1045
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: the hallways. All right. Well that was good, t D.

1046
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: That was good. That's it's for this podcast. We'll be

1047
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: back on Thursday, and we will hope Mark will be back. Yeah,

1048
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: the whole crew there for a while. Both crew will

1049
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: be back. So that's exciting. Uh and yes, hashtag w

1050
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: w T two at Producer t D. Let's start building

1051
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: that up. This is Dan Hanson signing off for The

1052
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: Mailman and the Boss and TV Behind the Glass Still Thursday,