Speaker 1: What's up A slip service? A'm Angela Yee, I'm g
Speaker 1: G Maguire, I'm Jordani Manuel.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm Scottie Rock.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Shawnty's husband AKA, I'm Sean.
Speaker 3: See what's up?
Speaker 2: You have to be a Shanty's husband, I mean his half,
Speaker 2: his better half.
Speaker 3: No, you have my better hole. I'm a whole husband,
Speaker 3: not a half husband.
Speaker 1: Is it? We're being like married to somebody famous and
Speaker 1: you have to like when you introduce yourself, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is Shawnte's husband.
Speaker 2: I mean he is who he is. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at him, he's all that, and you know, you just
Speaker 2: get at first. It's exciting, you know, because I didn't
Speaker 2: know who he was at first. Let's be totally honest.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The funny funny story, which he hates when I say,
Speaker 2: is that when we met, he's like, so have you
Speaker 2: googled me? And I was like why. He's like, you
Speaker 2: should google Sean and I was like, what are you like?
Speaker 2: Madonna googled Sean Shawnte and it came up. It's like, oh, okay, God,
Speaker 2: So to answer your question, it's fun. There's some downfalls,
Speaker 2: but you know it's I love him. So it's what
Speaker 2: comes with.
Speaker 1: The package, right, you know, it's nothing to think about
Speaker 1: because somebody would be like, Oh, that's Gigi's boyfriend, or
Speaker 1: that's Jordan's man, And so I wonder if guys feel
Speaker 1: a little weird sometimes with the dynamic of being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's S's and such as you know, the.
Speaker 4: Thing is like, he is the reason why I get
Speaker 4: noticed everywhere, because I'll be somewhere and they'll be like, Oh,
Speaker 4: you're Sean T's husband. He must be around here somewhere.
Speaker 4: He's actually just as famous as I know.
Speaker 1: It's actually because you guys do a lot together, and
Speaker 1: I think that is like just to see how you
Speaker 1: guys are celebrating each other because marriage has been tough
Speaker 1: for a lot of people lately. Yeah, and you'll have
Speaker 1: been married for what eleven almost twelve years in Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we keep seeing all these people that don't seem
Speaker 1: like they're having that much fun.
Speaker 3: We have a good time. So I will tell you this.
Speaker 3: In the very beginning of our relationship, the one thing
Speaker 3: we said, well, we are really great communicator communicators, and
Speaker 3: we just have no secrets.
Speaker 4: We're like, if we got to go to the trenches,
Speaker 4: with honesty, like that's exactly what we're going to do,
Speaker 4: and it just leaves you not having to guess like
Speaker 4: what some people think or what they feel. And even
Speaker 4: in times where you know we have knocked down drag outs,
Speaker 4: I tell people like we have a lot of testosterone,
Speaker 4: Like there's definitely some you know, you know, we were
Speaker 4: both athletes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, who gonna take this one?
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like he is
Speaker 4: my raw to die, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 4: we are one hundred percent honest with each other. There's
Speaker 4: nothing you can tell him that I haven't already told him.
Speaker 2: Having been in relationships where you were you're not honest,
Speaker 2: being in a relationship where there are no secrets is
Speaker 2: really refreshing because you can tell I can tell him anything,
Speaker 2: or if I'm concerned about something, I'm like, Yo, don't
Speaker 2: get mahad of me when I'm gonna say this, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to we need to talk or we need
Speaker 2: to go in the locker room is what we say,
Speaker 2: you know, to preface, so that we know we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about something that could potentially be I don't
Speaker 2: know where we get into, but it.
Speaker 4: Was a learning curve though, because I'm from Jersey and
Speaker 4: he's from Yeah, Like he didn't want to say ship
Speaker 4: and I want to say.
Speaker 3: Everything, so we had to like we did you know?
Speaker 4: They say like there's a compromise or whatever, but it's
Speaker 4: not so much that we compromise. It's more of like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can learn to be calmer from him, and he
Speaker 4: can learn to speak up for himself. So we do
Speaker 4: we do fit like legos.
Speaker 3: Even astrology chart will tell us that we don't need
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: Did you know that before or did you research?
Speaker 1: What I learned about Jordan is she loves talking about hospital.
Speaker 2: He'll talk to you all for like four minutes to
Speaker 2: be like you're with this and you're this.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going did that like that? So, Scott,
Speaker 1: you said that before having come from relationships where you
Speaker 1: weren't honest, So did you said be a liar?
Speaker 2: I mean I lied pretty much for thirty eight years
Speaker 2: my lifey right, So I was used to lying because
Speaker 2: I wasn't comfortable. I didn't want to be gay. I
Speaker 2: used to always say I just haven't met the right girl,
Speaker 2: and you know it, I was hoping it would go away,
Speaker 2: and so I had to lie I was a professional
Speaker 2: athlete too, so it was like.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 2: You can't be gay in play soccer or any sport really,
Speaker 2: and so I I, yeah, I was a professional liar.
Speaker 1: Wow, So you actually didn't let people know until you
Speaker 1: guys announced that you were getting married, well publicly.
Speaker 2: I came out to my parents when I was thirty four,
Speaker 2: but I really didn't. I don't feel like I came
Speaker 2: out until I met him at thirty eight, and then
Speaker 2: you know, he was he we can we can talk
Speaker 2: about our Twitter exposure.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to say first, that's the other dynamic
Speaker 4: between us. I came out at twenty one. My mom
Speaker 4: was like, word like, let's go. You know, she made
Speaker 4: jokes about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, how did your parents be it?
Speaker 2: So my dad was like I knew for four years
Speaker 2: and my mom cried for six months. I mean again,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a bad situation. They were both very supportive.
Speaker 2: They both love me, and they both love him like
Speaker 2: a son authentically. But you know, there's that fear. So
Speaker 2: I didn't come out to them first. The first three
Speaker 2: people I came out to, two of them were like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be your friend anymore, and I
Speaker 2: was like, crazy, So I have one third I'm succeeding,
Speaker 2: I'm failing. I have one third percent of people that
Speaker 2: are going to say, Okay, it's cool that you are
Speaker 2: who you are. So I'm not doing this anymore. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to like fight it and fight it
Speaker 2: and fight it. And I fought it.
Speaker 1: That's awful for somebody to not be your friend anymore.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that crazy?
Speaker 5: Just want to be your truth?
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: And I can say now that I am authentically myself.
Speaker 2: It is I really wish hope that people could do
Speaker 2: that because it is I say, before I met him,
Speaker 2: I lived in black and white, and now I live
Speaker 2: in color because I can be who I am and
Speaker 2: he loves me for who I am. So it's the
Speaker 2: most amazing feeling ever.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So when you coming out at twenty one, you said
Speaker 1: your mother.
Speaker 2: She should be here tonight.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I gotta tell you just it is
Speaker 4: so crazy. So, first of all, I came out to
Speaker 4: my mom in twenty one prior to that.
Speaker 3: So I grew up in the church, like my grandfather
Speaker 3: was the pastor, my grandmother the first lady. My mom
Speaker 3: grew up in the church, the whole thing. So I
Speaker 3: had a roommate with who was my boyfriend. And so
Speaker 3: my grandfather said to my grandmother like, yo, we need
Speaker 3: to talk to Sean about this friend that he has.
Speaker 4: So my mom was like filling me in on all
Speaker 4: the details. She's like, you know, pop ups on to
Speaker 4: you whatever. But I still not I know, but I
Speaker 4: still had not come out to my mom yet. So
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, I need to come out
Speaker 4: to my mom. So I went to her that night
Speaker 4: and I talked to her about you know, we had
Speaker 4: a conversation. I talked to her about my sexual abuse.
Speaker 4: I just went through my whole history. But then we
Speaker 4: got to the part I'm like and I'm gay, and
Speaker 4: so she was like Mac, it was literally like telling
Speaker 4: your best friend who loves you. And she was just like,
Speaker 4: we're But she was like, I just got one question.
Speaker 4: She was like, you know because at the time, I
Speaker 4: was dating this guy named George, and she.
Speaker 3: Was like like, is George your boyfriend? And I was
Speaker 3: like yeah. She was like Sean. She's like, are you
Speaker 3: going back home tonight?
Speaker 4: I said yeah. She's like, can I ask you one question?
Speaker 4: I was like, what she was like, don't get mad
Speaker 4: at me. When I asked you this, I was like what.
Speaker 4: She was like, who's plugging who? Because she she she's hilarious.
Speaker 1: What did you tell her?
Speaker 3: I said, I don't do that. I was a total
Speaker 3: top get into it just there because I was like no,
Speaker 3: but you know it was her way of just being like,
Speaker 3: wee cool about it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, don't tell Ennis. Who's my brother?
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to tell him tomorrow. So
Speaker 4: I called my brother. I was like, Hey, I meet
Speaker 4: you at the house tomorrow. We get out the car.
Speaker 4: He's like, Mom already told me.
Speaker 3: He was like, you don't need to come out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was like, you don't need to come out to me.
Speaker 4: You just need to tell me, you know, the guys
Speaker 4: that you think are hot, like I just I literally
Speaker 4: had it probably easier.
Speaker 1: Than great A great workout series. What's that total top
Speaker 1: total talk.
Speaker 3: Royalty? I don't.
Speaker 1: Yes. So now, okay, so when you guys met, you
Speaker 1: met in the gym, right, is that correct?
Speaker 3: We tell people we met in the gym because people
Speaker 3: are just not ready. We met on a website called
Speaker 3: Yeah it was a website and you know people called
Speaker 3: a dating website. It was a hookup website and that's
Speaker 3: how we met.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is it? It was an initial hookup
Speaker 1: and not a date or was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was in relationships. I was in a six year relationship.
Speaker 2: You were in into your relationship, I think, unhappy, But
Speaker 2: for me, I keep it in this. Sorry for me.
Speaker 2: My parents have been married for fifty some odd years,
Speaker 2: so I just assumed that I this is the person
Speaker 2: I'm going to be with my life. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not happy because at the time, I didn't think my
Speaker 2: parents were happy to be together for fifty some odd years.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, this is the guy. Cool.
Speaker 2: And then I meet him and uh, I was hooking
Speaker 2: up on the side. He hooked up first.
Speaker 3: I was like, you not long ago.
Speaker 2: So so then we, you know, were on this side
Speaker 2: and unhappy with what we're in, and we dip and
Speaker 2: doodle and dabble, and you know, we met at the
Speaker 2: corner of fifty eighth and ninth and instantly.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you know that exactly the case it was.
Speaker 3: It was on the detail. Yes, wait, she wanted details,
Speaker 3: so we so on this website you can do video calls,
Speaker 3: like just to kind of see what.
Speaker 1: The person to make sure this is real, because.
Speaker 3: His profile was just his torso, so I was just
Speaker 3: like whatever.
Speaker 4: So he we're facetigming each other, and I'm like, he
Speaker 4: you know his profile, he's like six foot white, one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty five pounds or whatever.
Speaker 3: And we facetimeed, but his lights are out in his apartment.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you look black, like you lightskned black, dude,
Speaker 3: And so I was just like, wait a minute, you're white.
Speaker 3: Like it was just so funny.
Speaker 4: So when I met him, the only thing that was
Speaker 4: black with that okay, So yeah, we met on the
Speaker 4: corner I literally, you know, fifty eighth and ninth, Like
Speaker 4: ninth Avenue runs north south, fifty eighth Street runs east west,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, I'm going to go up
Speaker 4: fifty eighth Street. I'm not going to come up ninth
Speaker 4: Avenue because I want to see him from afar.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure.
Speaker 3: And anyway, I walked up to him.
Speaker 4: He was sitting on the corner on the CVS windowsill,
Speaker 4: and I swear and he says the same thing.
Speaker 3: Literally, we started walking back to his.
Speaker 4: Apartment to do with that top, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be with this person for the rest of
Speaker 4: my life.
Speaker 3: I knew it literally with him, I was like.
Speaker 2: And so what we found out a couple weeks later
Speaker 2: is that when he walked up to me, I literally
Speaker 2: I felt this energy take over my body. And I've
Speaker 2: never felt this before. I don't I don't know if
Speaker 2: I necessarily believe in before life after life kind of
Speaker 2: thing where someone's reincarnated whatever. I felt like I had
Speaker 2: known instantly felt like I had known him for like
Speaker 2: two hundred years, and I was like, how is this
Speaker 2: what's this feeling? I don't know what it is. It's weird,
Speaker 2: but he's really cool. And so within three steps we say,
Speaker 2: which was the theme of our wedding, three steps, we
Speaker 2: both knew that we were going to be with this
Speaker 2: person forever. And then we talked about it afterwards and
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, wow, you had the same feeling,
Speaker 2: and so.
Speaker 1: You are the living example of don't let your boyfriends
Speaker 1: stop you from meeting your husband.
Speaker 2: Our friend says, you got to break a home to make.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this because.
Speaker 4: It's not something I don't think anybody's proud about being like,
Speaker 4: oh I stepped out or whatever.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you're.
Speaker 4: Unhappy and you know, you know the behind the scenes thing,
Speaker 4: but I will you know, I was engaged. I was
Speaker 4: actually engaged and had had multiple conversations with verseon I
Speaker 4: was with.
Speaker 3: But anyway, why were you unhappy?
Speaker 1: Why did you both but why were you both unhappy
Speaker 1: in your relationships? Though?
Speaker 4: Like I wasn't challenged and I had conversations about it,
Speaker 4: but they were just very complacent. And I would never
Speaker 4: talk bad about this person, incredibly kind human being, likeably
Speaker 4: like hasty to this day, but.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't it.
Speaker 4: And I think I think that's what happens is kind
Speaker 4: of like what Scott said, my parents have been together.
Speaker 3: People get settled in. You don't want to break up,
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to break up with that
Speaker 3: person and hurt them, and then you built these friends together,
Speaker 3: so you're like in this embarrassing state. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that you should cheat before you break up, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Just saying that a lot of people settle and then
Speaker 4: five years later they have kids, they're married, they have
Speaker 4: all the money and everything together, and then you're stuck.
Speaker 4: And so you just have to be fearless about going
Speaker 4: after what it is that you want.
Speaker 1: That's why they call it settling down. So what of
Speaker 1: time frame was it from this meat on the corner
Speaker 1: to you telling your others at the time.
Speaker 3: Mine was mine was very too weak. Mine was too
Speaker 3: weak because I.
Speaker 1: Came very forward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I said, if I feel this way about you,
Speaker 4: even if we don't end up being together, then I don't.
Speaker 3: Need to be with this other person. That's in fact,
Speaker 3: like my heart is open for something else, you know.
Speaker 3: And so that was me and Scott.
Speaker 1: What was going on in your relationship that was unhappy?
Speaker 2: Well, I realized after years and years of therapy, I
Speaker 2: wasn't happy with myself. I didn't love myself, and so
Speaker 2: I really couldn't love someone else.
Speaker 3: It just.
Speaker 2: I was just settling because my parents, I thought, had
Speaker 2: settled for so long. They truly love each other, they're
Speaker 2: still together. But I was like, this is what I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to do. And being from Seattle, where we hugged
Speaker 2: trees on the regularly, it's like we're very peaceful where
Speaker 2: you don't like we whenever we compare like my friend,
Speaker 2: my three friends, best friend from back home, they're like,
Speaker 2: we would never like confront people about stuff. And he's
Speaker 2: like that's just what we do. So not necessarily the
Speaker 2: culture or the way I was brought up is just
Speaker 2: like you kind of put up with it and you
Speaker 2: kind of sweep it out of the carpet and you
Speaker 2: just hope it goes away, kind of like being gay.
Speaker 2: I hoped it would go away, and after you just
Speaker 2: build up this tolerance and then that's nice thing. The
Speaker 2: thing that I was going to say is that is
Speaker 2: because I didn't love myself and I wasn't being honest
Speaker 2: in my relationship. I met him, and now I can
Speaker 2: be honest and be open, and you know, I had
Speaker 2: to go on that journey to find myself and then
Speaker 2: realize that it was okay to be loved. And I'd
Speaker 2: never met someone who was my ride or died before him.
Speaker 2: There was one other person who I played soccer with
Speaker 2: that introduced me to the concept. But to have someone
Speaker 2: actually have your back is major, especially when you're struggling
Speaker 2: with who you are right.
Speaker 1: And so wait, so you guys went back to the
Speaker 1: apart man.
Speaker 2: Yep, we walked in, had a long hallway. He walks in,
Speaker 2: He's up against the wall. I literally he was wearing
Speaker 2: a hat. I go up under the hat, we kissed
Speaker 2: literally like you know how on the Brady Bunch they
Speaker 2: had stars back. You know, it's like you're.
Speaker 3: Dating yourself sixty four years old.
Speaker 2: So but it just for me it was like wow,
Speaker 2: his lips, his breath, like everything about him was everything
Speaker 2: you need, everything, and it just was like I just
Speaker 2: see these fireworks and I'm just like, holy crap.
Speaker 4: And for me, it was more of like, you know,
Speaker 4: after you do what you do and you know, you know,
Speaker 4: we're being very candid here, but right lips a service, right,
Speaker 4: But after we you know, had our climax and all
Speaker 4: the fun stuff, it was you know, we finished and
Speaker 4: we were like, you want to go get something to eat?
Speaker 3: Like that's what the energy was like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you weren't ready for it to end.
Speaker 3: I'm getting out of here like so that was that
Speaker 3: for me was just like major. I was like and
Speaker 3: at that point, I was like, I need to get
Speaker 3: out of here because I was just.
Speaker 1: Like because it's also scary.
Speaker 3: It was scary. I was like, I need to get
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 4: Two weeks later, I'm finished working out the gym, I'm
Speaker 4: an Equinox on Nineteenth Street. I'm getting my food and
Speaker 4: i look up and he's getting food and he looks
Speaker 4: up and he rolls his eyes at me, and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: like the hottest, most amazing person just like rolled their
Speaker 4: eyes at me. So I was like, whatever, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I still turned it out. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go sit down. And then I sat down. He came
Speaker 4: over to me and he was like talking to me.
Speaker 4: He's like, you know, I have a cold store, and
Speaker 4: I didn't want I was like, he's like the one
Speaker 4: person that I did I would not want to see
Speaker 4: with the coldtor. I'm like, let me tell you something,
Speaker 4: I'm not looking at the cold sore.
Speaker 3: So that that was the day we were like all right,
Speaker 3: this is this fate because like I.
Speaker 2: Just happened to walking by Start, I had a cafe
Speaker 2: in it. I was like, let's go in. It was
Speaker 2: the first day I was out of my apartment in
Speaker 2: two weeks because I had a cold for the first time.
Speaker 1: I was like, so you stayed in the apartment for
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 2: I mean you can do that in New York City
Speaker 2: we worked from home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and then so I rolled my eyes. I was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: this is not the day to run into that guy wasn't.
Speaker 1: That bad the culture, No, okay, I saw it.
Speaker 2: But when you have it, it's like, yeah, you feel
Speaker 2: like everyone's like.
Speaker 3: Especially you see the person you think is right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like a pimple.
Speaker 5: You like anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is too much of a coincidence. That's why
Speaker 1: you are here together now. And that's why you said
Speaker 1: y'all met in the gym.
Speaker 4: Well because like, well, I mean we started saying up
Speaker 4: to people because they just didn't get it. Now, like
Speaker 4: when you said it, we immediately fixed it. We're like, listen,
Speaker 4: this is we're almost fourteen years in.
Speaker 1: It worked.
Speaker 2: It worked.
Speaker 3: It was not a workout.
Speaker 1: So then what happened after the gym, so then it
Speaker 1: was just like let's reconnect or actually exchanged me.
Speaker 3: We exchanged numbers. And the point in which I said.
Speaker 4: I need to end my relationship is like I texted
Speaker 4: him and I was like if I'm texting him like
Speaker 4: because I can't, I can't be in that and in
Speaker 4: that like like that you're not gonna do a little
Speaker 4: something on the side, right, But when it starts to
Speaker 4: get that emotional, and then you know he took time.
Speaker 2: And to go back to the original question, was you
Speaker 2: know how long it took for me? It was you know,
Speaker 2: I was with this amazing person and living this most
Speaker 2: amazing life of being free and not caring, and then
Speaker 2: I would go back to my apartment and be with
Speaker 2: my my ex and he was never there from Monday
Speaker 2: to Thursday because you travel a lot for work. So
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I can to spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time with him, and so I could do both.
Speaker 2: And I was used to not addressing the issue because
Speaker 2: I had been doing it for thirty eight years, so
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a pro at this. And so it
Speaker 2: just got to that point where he ended up breaking
Speaker 2: up with his ex, and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: yeah it is. I knew it was real, but I
Speaker 2: didn't want to face it, and so then I was
Speaker 2: it just built, built, built, And finally I was like,
Speaker 2: I have to get out of this.
Speaker 1: Wait. Now I just realized something. He went to your apartment,
Speaker 1: but you were living with someone correct town. Wow, what
Speaker 1: if he would have popped up?
Speaker 5: That would have been crazy.
Speaker 1: That's mad, disrespectful. You're supposed to at least go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I just realized that you get.
Speaker 3: A hotel room in New York SPERI that not spending
Speaker 3: the night, So that's not that's not give him his
Speaker 3: ex was doing it too, that's not wasn't I was
Speaker 3: the horrible one. I found out that situation effect.
Speaker 2: I found it before. So he was using my computer
Speaker 2: to be on the website that I was on, and
Speaker 2: so I was like in front of him and I
Speaker 2: talked HI about it, and he said, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll stop, and you know it's a problem. And I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, great. And then a couple of weeks later,
Speaker 2: maybe a month later, I'm on my computer again and
Speaker 2: it comes up and it's like, you haven't stopped. And
Speaker 2: so instead of addressing the problem, like well, I'll show you,
Speaker 2: and I set up an account and that's s.
Speaker 1: Did y'all ever have any bad hookups from this site?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: What's it bad?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What's like? Give us some bad stories, like when things
Speaker 1: go left? I love a bad dating.
Speaker 2: Story, so I have one. It didn't So let me
Speaker 2: get my drink. Chatting with this guy. He's like, come
Speaker 2: on over and it's probably one in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I'm in Hell's kitchen. I walked down to
Speaker 2: the apartment. I buzz they let me in and you
Speaker 2: have to turn and walk up the stairs and there's
Speaker 2: a guy standing at the top of the stairs with
Speaker 2: a gun and was like, what the fuck do you want?
Speaker 2: And I was like, uh, I was given a bogus address,
Speaker 2: but the guy didn't know. And the crazy thing is
Speaker 2: is I was like, I know who you are. He
Speaker 2: was an actor on TV, but a small world actor.
Speaker 2: And I was like, he's literally like, get the funk
Speaker 2: out of here. What do you want? I was like, uh,
Speaker 2: wrong address, like and like literally out.
Speaker 1: That's wild. But wait, you he budged you in. That's
Speaker 1: what I was about to say.
Speaker 2: Even I don't think that he was of mind like
Speaker 2: he was. He was late, he has a gun. It's like,
Speaker 2: I don't yet something else. And when a guy watched
Speaker 2: the door, he.
Speaker 1: Might have been waiting for that one drop off and
Speaker 1: it was and it wasn't the d.
Speaker 3: Yes right, it was the jump off. What about Oh
Speaker 3: I don't know?
Speaker 4: Like so I don't really So here's the thing, and
Speaker 4: this is another separation of us. I don't really remember
Speaker 4: because if I'm not into something, I just leave, like
Speaker 4: I don't have a problem being like this ain't it
Speaker 4: for me?
Speaker 3: Or I walk in and you lot about your pictures.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you used to be you know, like you
Speaker 4: look like this, and I'm like, I'm just not getting involved.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I can't really necessarily I had anything
Speaker 4: bad that I didn't choose to stay in because I
Speaker 4: was probably too horny to not.
Speaker 3: But if I wasn't into it, I'm like, there was
Speaker 3: one guy that heard you.
Speaker 1: That's a bad thing, because I feel good and comfortable.
Speaker 3: It was, it was, it was scary.
Speaker 4: I said, oh no, I'm not this is I'm wrapped.
Speaker 4: I'm wrapping this one up now.
Speaker 1: Jordan's by the way, and we didn't even talk about this,
Speaker 1: but she's on Summer House, Martha's Vineyards.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yes, flying La whatever it was on.
Speaker 2: I was like on the plane, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: So she's been through a lot of shitty relationships, so
Speaker 1: she actually spent a year being celibate just to kind
Speaker 1: of you to get helped.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I feel like it let understand that boundaries are healthy
Speaker 1: in a way that I didn't understand before.
Speaker 5: And I feel like it also.
Speaker 1: Gave me a prerequisite sheet of like, okay, are you
Speaker 1: doing these things? Because it wasn't fun for me, and
Speaker 1: it felt like I was just having energy physically being deposited.
Speaker 1: That wasn't right, right, And so now I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm better at assessing like, Okay, is this gonna be fun?
Speaker 5: Is it going to be not? And how do we
Speaker 5: move forward from them?
Speaker 4: So many questions like I don't know if it's the same,
Speaker 4: but I'm so interested for your questions. So like, prior
Speaker 4: to being celebrate, are you would you consider yourself to
Speaker 4: be like a sex positive person?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, So I was Playmate of the Year for Playboy,
Speaker 1: So I've always been very comfortable in my body. There's
Speaker 1: only been your black playmates, and you were the last one.
Speaker 1: Was the last one? Yep, She's explanation point.
Speaker 5: But I was never promiscuous. That was never my thing.
Speaker 1: But I was just having relations with people who weren't
Speaker 1: available to me, and it was starting to affect my
Speaker 1: self confidence and how I looked at myself. And that's
Speaker 1: when I think I had to take a step back
Speaker 1: and be like, let me eliminate this for a second
Speaker 1: and see where I'm at with me and what I
Speaker 1: need to focus on. Because some guys are hyped to
Speaker 1: just be like oh, you know, I'm with them exactly,
Speaker 1: know exactly, And.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of that, not like looking at
Speaker 3: you as the human that you are.
Speaker 2: Right and how like what was the spark idea? Did
Speaker 2: you just wake up one day and we're like, you know,
Speaker 2: I need to stop or was it something you read.
Speaker 1: Run down for me? So I was I had just
Speaker 1: got I had to crush on this guy. We hooked up.
Speaker 1: It was fun, but he kind of ghosted me. And
Speaker 1: I had been good friends with this guy for like
Speaker 1: a year, and so I'm telling him this and I'm
Speaker 1: feeling some type of way and I knew he was
Speaker 1: really into me, and you know that feeling when somebody
Speaker 1: is really into you and you're just kind of like
Speaker 1: that's nice and whatever. But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me see what this is hitting for. Maybe this
Speaker 1: will make me get back in my bag. And so
Speaker 1: we continued hooking up, and I felt like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: getting a little attached, like we're kind of dating now,
Speaker 1: complete loser, I'm talking mattress on the floor lower east
Speaker 1: side loser.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's be serious.
Speaker 1: Oh we all got to do some nonpraffic work, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: And he ended up getting back with his girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: I was crushed and I was like, why do I
Speaker 1: Why did I even let this happen? You're not even
Speaker 1: on my level. And I wouldn't have done this had
Speaker 1: I not been feeling so vulnerable and used my body
Speaker 1: as trying to figure it out, figure it out. So
Speaker 1: that's when I was like, you know what, let me
Speaker 1: just cut this first. I did you go into it
Speaker 1: with your time frame in mind, like I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: a whole year, Well see if I can do it?
Speaker 1: Or was it for the long haul? Originally it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be until I was in a committed relationship.
Speaker 1: It became clear that was not going to happen and
Speaker 1: time soon, so I was like, I'd like some dick please, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So after about a year and a half, I was
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City on a brand trip and my
Speaker 1: college crush happened to be He's a reporter. Next he
Speaker 1: was covering like the politics that were going on there,
Speaker 1: and I was like this, he traveled to forty five
Speaker 1: minutes and I know he did. We Are you honest
Speaker 1: with him about breaking your celibacy? Yes? Yeah that prior
Speaker 1: to yeah, he felt like you were like a virgin
Speaker 1: like he was getting some vigiins.
Speaker 2: I mean that was one of my questions, Like, so,
Speaker 2: with you not doing anything for a certain period of time,
Speaker 2: how was the thing was the first step into.
Speaker 5: She was ready to She was definitely crisp, but she
Speaker 5: was ready.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was properly decated.
Speaker 1: Asked this during celibacy. Were you able to use toys? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you could do even still it was just full penetration.
Speaker 1: I was not okay with the.
Speaker 3: World.
Speaker 1: You know, shahns, didn't you do were you going to
Speaker 1: do the dildough? And I know we had a whole conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well how you know I wanted to create Well,
Speaker 3: so with our only fans, like you know, our only
Speaker 3: fans subscribers are like can we get dial those like
Speaker 3: you know? And we haven't even shown up our on
Speaker 3: on only.
Speaker 5: Fans just part of it's part of.
Speaker 3: It, just like what's that like a mold of.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 3: We haven't done it yet. We haven't done it yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, but the other percentage will be paying you.
Speaker 3: But I'm in the marketing.
Speaker 4: I'm in the marketing phase. I'm building up my audience
Speaker 4: so that I'm a builder audience. I like to like
Speaker 4: really like funnel people to this one thing. And then
Speaker 4: when I'm we're able to put something.
Speaker 3: Out like I want ninety people purchasing it.
Speaker 1: Do you think are only fans you'll ever go full?
Speaker 3: I mean, so we're not only fans. You know this
Speaker 3: is I guess I could say it right here. We
Speaker 3: do have a platinum like there's no literally there's no prerequisite.
Speaker 3: There's no one knows how to get into platinum. Okay,
Speaker 3: So there is a platinum group in our only fans,
Speaker 3: but they but no one knows how to get in it.
Speaker 3: You have to be invited into it, okay. So that
Speaker 3: so they get they get better stuff than like the
Speaker 3: v Okay.
Speaker 1: So maybe if you're in platinum, you might see a
Speaker 1: little extra something something give me. I only fans platinum.
Speaker 1: So I used to be a stripper ext me too,
Speaker 1: and so I have pulled in my house. So I
Speaker 1: still do like pole dancing, and I do work videos
Speaker 1: and I show these tit days all day. They thank you,
Speaker 1: but I am not given, like here's my vagina. I've
Speaker 1: never been a porn girl. I'm not a porn girl.
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, cross that line when
Speaker 1: it comes to only fans, but I always try to
Speaker 1: think of ways that I can give them a little
Speaker 1: more without doing it. There you go.
Speaker 4: The thing is it's all in the messaging and what
Speaker 4: it is that you want, you know. So for us,
Speaker 4: there are a bunch of people that subscribe to a
Speaker 4: only fans that are like, oh, because we had you
Speaker 4: used to have this thing called naked coffee on Instagram
Speaker 4: and like regular social media, but then you would just
Speaker 4: get all.
Speaker 3: This backlash like I can't believe you did that. You're
Speaker 3: showing you and I'm like, all right, cool. Only fans
Speaker 3: comes out and we do our naked coffee pictures on
Speaker 3: their pea, which is.
Speaker 2: Basically him drinking coffee naked.
Speaker 1: For us, it turned into us, let me know, you
Speaker 1: need some coffee coffee.
Speaker 4: So and then you know, so then you have the
Speaker 4: people who want that. But then we have a vi
Speaker 4: P and we're people who want a little more. So yeah,
Speaker 4: but so we have this, we have our vi P
Speaker 4: group that gets basically like there. You know, you have
Speaker 4: p p vs where you think, you know whatever, which
Speaker 4: a lot of my p p vs are either us
Speaker 4: in the shower or I'm doing like TikTok dances but
Speaker 4: like naked, yeah, but our VI people get like more
Speaker 4: intimate stuff with us, so like individual like it's a
Speaker 4: little bit more. But the Platinum group is you're like
Speaker 4: people are like, oh, they get it.
Speaker 3: They're like we made it, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: So you just like surprised them, like, hey, you're platinum.
Speaker 3: Platinum. It's a process that they don't even know that
Speaker 3: they're going through that they get in there because it's
Speaker 3: all of us.
Speaker 4: It's all based around trust because we don't want our leaking, right.
Speaker 4: So the people who are in this group, like you
Speaker 4: already know, and most of them and this is like
Speaker 4: not not all of them, but there are a lot
Speaker 4: of them that are like CEOs closeted men that are
Speaker 4: like you know, they're not they're not going to share
Speaker 4: it because they.
Speaker 3: Don't even want people to know that they're in there. Yes,
Speaker 3: And that's it's really or like really like gay guys
Speaker 3: that just like they're invested and they've been a part
Speaker 3: of our only fans like since the beginning, you know,
Speaker 3: and they're just like, you know, I chat with them
Speaker 3: every day. So there's like different protocols.
Speaker 2: And ways you can how this all started was because
Speaker 2: during the pandemic, we were sitting home on Friday night.
Speaker 2: I was like, baby balls, we should entertain people because
Speaker 2: they're not doing anything and they're you know, they're going
Speaker 2: to social media. So we came up, well, I came
Speaker 2: up with an idea of like just having a wine
Speaker 2: night where we you know, have wine and just talk
Speaker 2: and people would come. And went from three hundred people
Speaker 2: to five hundred people to a thousand people to like,
Speaker 2: we're watching us on Friday nights just have wine and
Speaker 2: talk about a relationship with friends.
Speaker 3: At first, it is very p G. We have a
Speaker 3: couple of line. One Friday, I had to put.
Speaker 4: That show people how to like numb your butthole so
Speaker 4: that you can be a better bottom.
Speaker 3: And that's when it just went to the next level.
Speaker 1: So then everybody, because you know, I've never been able
Speaker 1: to do that, I don't know, like okay, so.
Speaker 2: I actually could teach a class, like a sex ad class,
Speaker 2: and it would be beneficial.
Speaker 1: I would like to be able to make use of
Speaker 1: all my holes.
Speaker 3: That's exactly.
Speaker 2: From commercial.
Speaker 1: Jordan, what about you.
Speaker 5: I'm not into butt stuff.
Speaker 1: Neither am I, but I'm saying maybe it's something amazing.
Speaker 1: We need to unlock it might be like I've given
Speaker 1: it a try, but I constantly just feel very like
Speaker 1: I'm going to ship myself.
Speaker 3: What do you do beforehand?
Speaker 4: See, that's why you gave people to teach you how
Speaker 4: to like if you're fully prepared, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you have the right lube and they're playing with
Speaker 3: your clid while it's happening, like you get this the
Speaker 3: stimulation that is like you know, and it's it's and
Speaker 3: this comes from somebody, you know, my mom asked me.
Speaker 3: I was like, hell, no, I ain't doing that and.
Speaker 1: Here you are. How was it the first time you
Speaker 1: did it that you were.
Speaker 3: I hated it?
Speaker 1: This is this?
Speaker 4: How but there's like this there's a trust factor to
Speaker 4: like because a lot of people like especially I would
Speaker 4: say especially straight guys, they're they just think it's another
Speaker 4: whole that's you know, and it's it has to be used.
Speaker 3: Different than your vaginanta.
Speaker 4: It has to be like massaged in there, and there's
Speaker 4: a way to loosen it up in this whole thing,
Speaker 4: and there has to be like I said, stimulation, Like
Speaker 4: for me, you have to be stimulating my dick if you're.
Speaker 1: I need to be distracted a distraction.
Speaker 3: You edged me, and I'm like, you're you have whatever
Speaker 3: you want.
Speaker 1: A relaxation thing to like, you have to have like.
Speaker 2: Getting the senses fired up. And if all the senses
Speaker 2: are firing, it's like what what? When?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 4: You can't be with somebody that likes raving this sex.
Speaker 4: You have to be with somebody that they see you
Speaker 4: and they just want to.
Speaker 1: Tear you up, like they don't kills because she will die? Yes, don't, yeah,
Speaker 1: just don't do it. But all right, So Scott, when
Speaker 1: you guys first hooked up, were you so you were
Speaker 1: already about him or were you both tops?
Speaker 2: Or I was? I guess top verse.
Speaker 1: Okay, and so ditious I was, Yeah, So yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just it was a matter you know, when you
Speaker 1: feel the emotional connection, you will pretty much do anything
Speaker 1: to be and feel that person.
Speaker 2: And so it just turned into kind of a mutual
Speaker 2: thing for both of us, so because it's a tense
Speaker 2: and it's amazing to share that moment with someone anyway, right, So,
Speaker 2: but it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting quite an education year.
Speaker 4: I'm a very good first time I'm a very good
Speaker 4: first time top for somebody whose first time body.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, I'm so good.
Speaker 1: At like walking through it.
Speaker 3: Let me walk you through this, so good at it.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this that you have a
Speaker 1: dating all of y'all mix, do you ever is it
Speaker 1: monogamous that you ever bring other people in the mix?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: We bring people in okay.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we have a god, we have good And
Speaker 4: it was me like it was we were two years
Speaker 4: into our relationship. I'm like, look, and this is where
Speaker 4: most people like clutch their pearls or gas. I'm like, listen,
Speaker 4: your dick is my favorite, like emotionally, like I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I've never had a problem getting a boner if he
Speaker 4: just touched me or wanted to shut it down. But
Speaker 4: I'm like, you can't be the last dick I suck
Speaker 4: ever ever, especially.
Speaker 3: If you'll be together for like the next fifty years.
Speaker 3: I'm like yo, And I was like, plus, I need practice,
Speaker 3: like you know. And he wasn't fine with it at
Speaker 3: first because he was just you could.
Speaker 2: Tell why, I'm just a traditional white guy from Seattle.
Speaker 2: So you know, again, my parents together for so long,
Speaker 2: and so you just have this thing that you're not
Speaker 2: supposed to do that because it's what because I've been taught,
Speaker 2: our society whatever, and so you know, there's questions of well,
Speaker 2: am I enough or you know, you know what doing
Speaker 2: Let's talk about and so we did. I remember him
Speaker 2: talking about it for the first time. We were in
Speaker 2: my parents' house in Phoenix, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, but he made some also some really good points,
Speaker 2: like you're walking down the street in the city, you
Speaker 2: see someone that's attractive, like you you see people all
Speaker 2: the time, and it's okay, you're right. So it's like,
Speaker 2: it's okay to acknowledge it, and it's okay to talk
Speaker 2: to me about it because let's talk about it. Let's
Speaker 2: explore that and then you know, moving that direction if
Speaker 2: we want to.
Speaker 1: So what's the rule? Because question only if it's you
Speaker 1: guys as a couple something can you do stuff that's
Speaker 1: too much going on? But can you do stuff without
Speaker 1: each other? Like had it? Okay? Yeah, it's like an
Speaker 1: open relationships again.
Speaker 4: It's it's you know, we said we have no secrets.
Speaker 4: It's like you just have to tell me what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I always have to get the address just in case.
Speaker 2: And then you know, and there's something very erotic about
Speaker 2: him coming home and telling me what happened or you know,
Speaker 2: because then it gets us excited that we do it
Speaker 2: again when we do.
Speaker 4: It, like we come home and like you know, if
Speaker 4: the person that's his film, like you know, the person
Speaker 4: a blowjob.
Speaker 1: Does they ever go from you gotta watch this, you
Speaker 1: gotta try this.
Speaker 2: We pretty much have done everything.
Speaker 3: We've done it all I.
Speaker 1: Done. Is this part of the Platinum Perks Persons service?
Speaker 2: I know we have.
Speaker 3: We have had one guy offer us eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: to just eat our asses.
Speaker 5: Wow, he is gonna eat your asses.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound bad.
Speaker 3: It's not a bad deal.
Speaker 1: That is the most expensive groceries ever. Yeah, listen, eight.
Speaker 3: Cake decide said I'll do anything to get to the bad.
Speaker 1: You ain't got to do nothing else and the.
Speaker 4: Cash up No, yeah, but yeah listen. It never went through, however,
Speaker 4: I was definitely considering it.
Speaker 1: I want to ask y'all this for the ladies in
Speaker 1: the room. Can you imagine being in a relationship with somebody,
Speaker 1: could you watch them have sex with someone else, like
Speaker 1: on camera, on film and then be like let's try that,
Speaker 1: or like perform in voyeurism. Okay, oh you want to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like to watch it. I've never tried it though,
Speaker 1: but I imagine, like fantasy wise, I feel like i'd
Speaker 1: be into it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say to your point and to the
Speaker 4: point because you know, obviously there's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people like, oh my god, like that's not a
Speaker 3: relationship you can't do.
Speaker 4: But I'm just like, I this is how to look
Speaker 4: at it. And it sounds so crazy to a lot
Speaker 4: of people. I'm like, I have sex with him, like
Speaker 4: I'm always with him, and yeah, we can film ourselves whatever,
Speaker 4: but live porn with the hottest person. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: I'm sitting back literally enjoying. I'm like, this is so
Speaker 4: incredibly hot. And the one the most reason why is
Speaker 4: because we're very secure with each other, right, you know.
Speaker 4: You know, And I say this to people, it's like
Speaker 4: people like, oh, but he could run off, and like
Speaker 4: what if he meets somebody. I'm like, he can do
Speaker 4: that at the grocery store. He could, Like you just
Speaker 4: you never know if your person's ever going to leave you, really,
Speaker 4: but you have to, like my tattoos say, you have.
Speaker 1: To trust and believe, and there's no one out there
Speaker 1: better for other one of you.
Speaker 3: It's literally I'm like please, Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I feel like the people who say that too are
Speaker 1: just people who've never experienced real honesty and intimacy with someone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's straight true because when I was when I was,
Speaker 4: when I was traveling around, when I was a choreographer
Speaker 4: and I would go to different cities, you know how
Speaker 4: many straight men at the bar of a hotel would
Speaker 4: be hitting on me like, yeah, that.
Speaker 1: We are really straight man.
Speaker 4: I married because, like you know, and it's not even
Speaker 4: that all of them were gay.
Speaker 3: They were, they were bisexual. They wanted to try it,
Speaker 3: but it's just not allowed because it's looked down upon them.
Speaker 3: Like life is so much better.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for this thing to be a race.
Speaker 1: I think you feel like things are better many of
Speaker 1: them out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when kids are coming out like twelve or I
Speaker 2: think that they're moving in the right direction. Hopefully they'll
Speaker 2: continue in that direction. Who knows where it'll lead to,
Speaker 2: But I think it's I think it's better because I mean,
Speaker 2: there was nothing on TV when I was a kid
Speaker 2: growing up. Reverse athletes, two women tennis players came out
Speaker 2: as gay, and it was like bad, bad, bad, you know,
Speaker 2: So it's like now it's like when someone comes out,
Speaker 2: it's a support thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let me ask you this so shanty when
Speaker 1: you came on the show and you talked about your
Speaker 1: stepfather and people were in the comments were like, do
Speaker 1: you think that's why he's gay? And I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of people saying that in the comments, and I
Speaker 1: know you went to like a you know you've been
Speaker 1: going to therapy and working things out. What do you
Speaker 1: respond when people say something like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, my first thing is like, doesn't matter, Like
Speaker 4: I'm happy now you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 4: would say the majority of gay men that I know
Speaker 4: knew from from the earliest years.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I so, I've always been attracted to men, but I
Speaker 4: have been with women, and there have when I was
Speaker 4: a teenager, you know, I was rock hard with women,
Speaker 4: but I still wanted men. I think I was like,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I would consider myself bisexual
Speaker 4: at that.
Speaker 3: Time, but I'm like, it made my dick feel good, So.
Speaker 1: I like that that sounds bisexual.
Speaker 3: Like even even till like this day, like if I'm
Speaker 3: at like, I've had men be like, hey, can you
Speaker 3: fuck me in front of my wife or whatever? And
Speaker 3: I'm like, what does she look like?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Is she just gonna watch
Speaker 4: because I find it hot? I'm like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, would I fool around with her?
Speaker 3: I don't know. It just depends one you know, I'm
Speaker 3: not one of those. I'm not there. And I know
Speaker 3: a lot of gay guys it's like, you know, they
Speaker 3: just have no interest.
Speaker 4: It's like a lot of straight people have no interest in,
Speaker 4: you know, the opposite the same sex. But me, I'm
Speaker 4: just I'm very sex positive and I rarely say no
Speaker 4: to anything that's not dangerous, Okay when it comes to like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, when we talked, I didn't even
Speaker 1: think about that, but then I saw a bunch of
Speaker 1: people saying that, and I was like, but.
Speaker 3: To answer your question, I'm gonna go through that a
Speaker 3: little more.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's very disrespectful to actually assume that because
Speaker 4: someone was molested, even if you mean it, like if
Speaker 4: you're just interested. It's like, don't take something terrible to
Speaker 4: happen to me and try to place my current life.
Speaker 3: About like and naked about that.
Speaker 4: Because I did a lot of work to overcome that,
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about that, right, But if I had
Speaker 4: to give a hard answer, No, bitch.
Speaker 1: Was debate with the X of mine when we were
Speaker 1: together about you know, are you born gay? Do you
Speaker 1: turn gay? Can you be turn gay? Can things influence
Speaker 1: you to be gay? And I technically I'm bisexual. I
Speaker 1: love men. I only want to touch on women. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be with one. But I've been touching
Speaker 1: on koochie since I was nine ten years old, so
Speaker 1: it's like nothing made me want to do that besides
Speaker 1: the fact that I wanted to do it, and I
Speaker 1: as feel like with women it's more encouraged. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say.
Speaker 3: That it's funny, right because men would be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to see two girls with go, But like
Speaker 3: for me, like to your point, it's also just having
Speaker 3: that discussion like where you weren't born like that, like
Speaker 3: something happened to you. And I'm sure you've heard this before.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, well.
Speaker 4: If I if you're telling me I chose to be gay,
Speaker 4: that I mean you at the club and you want
Speaker 4: to subject too, You're just saying I don't want to
Speaker 4: do it. That's basically what you're saying. Because if I
Speaker 4: have the choice and that means you have the choice, and.
Speaker 1: That was our argument. Yeah, And you know, the other
Speaker 1: thing is there are a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: unfortunately been molested and they didn't all become gay from
Speaker 1: it exactly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So that's why I didn't believe. I didn't even think
Speaker 1: about it. But honestly, a lot of people said it
Speaker 1: in the comments, and that's why I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I would love for you to answer that, because it
Speaker 1: was something and just like, it's so crazy with the
Speaker 1: community being so well respected and so well acknowledged these days,
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard for straight men, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: to really just go with the flow of things, right.
Speaker 1: And in that conversation that I was having with him,
Speaker 1: he was really hell bent on the things that are
Speaker 1: on TV, and they're putting it in the children's face
Speaker 1: and they're making the children want to be gay. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, Andy, don't minds you fucking with women?
Speaker 1: Well I wasn't at the time, because he yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't experience, but.
Speaker 2: I knew I was gay very very young.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 2: I just remember I wanted this neighborhood kid to climb
Speaker 2: through my window like Rapunzel or something else. How many
Speaker 2: years did I see straight TV read straight books that
Speaker 2: it didn't.
Speaker 1: Turn me straight.
Speaker 2: I had sex with women, but I would I wanted
Speaker 2: to de fire that I felt when I was with guys.
Speaker 3: So it was like also with straight men.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't like to like generalize, but I'm
Speaker 4: going to use straight men for this instance. Like even
Speaker 4: when you're in the locker room, they're like, I don't
Speaker 4: want no guys. I'm like, just because I'm gay, why
Speaker 4: do you think I want to give you? When women,
Speaker 4: when women call me a waste of a man because
Speaker 4: I'm gay, I'm like, I don't want to funk you anyway.
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I mean? Like everybody that just
Speaker 3: because I'm gay, like I'm looking at you as a
Speaker 3: guy or vice for I'm like, y'all, it's so, you know,
Speaker 3: in my experience, a lot of the people who have
Speaker 3: this hard stance against gay they are hiding something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone's in the closet about something.
Speaker 3: Everybody's in a clause about something, you know, So it's.
Speaker 1: Just kind of sexuality, right something something? What am I
Speaker 1: in the closet about?
Speaker 3: Story?
Speaker 1: If we're all in the classet about class about I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to answer that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It might be.
Speaker 1: Jesus at the class. You're in the closet about something.
Speaker 5: It might be the butt stuff. Maybe I'm let me
Speaker 5: tell you.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to say this, but I've learned not to
Speaker 1: interrupt because I have had it. Right, the girl, anal
Speaker 1: orgasm is the best orgasm I've ever had in my life. Okay,
Speaker 1: se whatever, and I have had a lot of organs. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: because it's just a technique.
Speaker 2: It's the right person.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 1: Have you ever I'm squirted neither her mine. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I've had orgasms. I just never squirted. Yeah, same, No,
Speaker 1: No juice is flying girl. Yes, I am a squirter,
Speaker 1: but I will say this. I was with the same
Speaker 1: man for a leve than plus years and he never
Speaker 1: made me squirre. I was with somebody else and he
Speaker 1: made me square the very first time. You think it's
Speaker 1: the angle of his it's the penis and it's what
Speaker 1: he does with it. And this, this guy that made
Speaker 1: me square all of these gazillion times, it's like a
Speaker 1: record breaking amount of times. And this may square nineteen
Speaker 1: times in the twenty four hour period. And then twenty
Speaker 1: five times, twenty five times twenty four hour period, how
Speaker 1: are you were in the twenty five period, So like
Speaker 1: last night, today and tonight in the twenty four listen point,
Speaker 1: it got a point where he would literally just put
Speaker 1: figures in. Yeah, it was crazy, back to back us.
Speaker 1: He's a magician. So like was his dick, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest that I ever had, but it was in.
Speaker 2: A certain way.
Speaker 1: Knew he knew that he literally learned my body the
Speaker 1: very first time, Like he like loved me my body
Speaker 1: the very first time he had X. He's how amazing
Speaker 1: he's You think most guys aren't like that. They don't
Speaker 1: learn your body, they don't pay attention. I think they're
Speaker 1: intimidated by the Jeta. They don't don't take the time,
Speaker 1: you know. I think porn makes guys think that certain
Speaker 1: things is what works, is the biggest, Like don't I say,
Speaker 1: don't watch it, don't watch it. I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Don't think that that is like your educational.
Speaker 3: These young boys, Like when I see them, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's like that is not how you fuck. Like that's
Speaker 3: not how you do it. You know, that's not how
Speaker 3: you give a job.
Speaker 1: I will say, I do watch a lot of gay porn,
Speaker 1: and I'll be looking for techniques.
Speaker 3: You called me, I'll give you a good tech.
Speaker 1: It's not the last dick you suck. So that's I
Speaker 1: come to. I come to New York every two weeks.
Speaker 3: The film live in Arizona, so you know Arizona.
Speaker 5: I'll come in.
Speaker 2: So why I'm always curious why you would want women
Speaker 2: in general watch gay porn.
Speaker 1: It turns me on. I don't know why, but so
Speaker 1: my porn goes lesbian porn, gay porn. I don't watch
Speaker 1: streight porn.
Speaker 3: Why not? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to look at
Speaker 1: the penis until it's going in my mouth or and
Speaker 1: I think dick pics. I don't want. I don't want
Speaker 1: my man to call me with his dick in the
Speaker 1: face time. I don't want to see it unil I'm
Speaker 1: about to use it. I think some people like poorn
Speaker 1: that's taboo, like in that point that you can't do,
Speaker 1: because I also like trans like we're not like friends
Speaker 1: of gender porn like that that we can't do.
Speaker 3: Porn is is kind of hot female.
Speaker 1: When the female has a penis.
Speaker 3: And she's female.
Speaker 4: When the female has like, it's a transition, transitions from
Speaker 4: a female to a male. So now he has I like,
Speaker 4: this is vagina. Yeah, it's it's it's really intense.
Speaker 1: How important is dick size when it comes to who
Speaker 1: you hook up with?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want no big old dicken knee, So
Speaker 4: I'm cool. I'm cool with a good six. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can enjoy it. But this one got a good
Speaker 4: eight and a half. And I'm like, but I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's painful exactly. That's why it took me so long
Speaker 4: to want to do it.
Speaker 1: But you should have a little.
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know what was I talking about.
Speaker 1: About?
Speaker 3: Plus lay when he's in his top you know horn?
Speaker 1: Oh, let me ask you all this aside from everything else,
Speaker 1: you guys are also, you know, in an interracial relationship. Now,
Speaker 1: how is that? Was there ever any issues or any
Speaker 1: reservations about that?
Speaker 4: No one has ever said any anything to me about it,
Speaker 4: and they probably know better.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm you know, I have dated black guys in
Speaker 2: the past, and I don't ever remember experiencing anything I
Speaker 2: did Latin guys in the past in person.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm in person. No one's ever said it to me,
Speaker 3: but you know online of course.
Speaker 4: It's actually a few weeks ago there was just like
Speaker 4: a huge thing because we went to this retreat that
Speaker 4: wasn't our retreat. We just ended up going to a
Speaker 4: retreat and it was like mostly white guys there, and
Speaker 4: they're like, yeah, he wanted to be the only digger
Speaker 4: in the room, and like this, that and the third,
Speaker 4: like they just automatically jumping conclusions that it was my
Speaker 4: retreat and I invited all white guys and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm like it's you know, that's the one thing about
Speaker 4: the gay black community that's really annoying is like it's
Speaker 4: like if you're a black guy that dates a white
Speaker 4: guy or married to a white guy, they automatically assume
Speaker 4: that you're a sellout.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you just meant it's like you're dick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't know.
Speaker 4: You don't know how many black guys I've been with,
Speaker 4: or how many Latin guys I've been with, how many
Speaker 4: Middle Eastern guys I've been with. You only you only
Speaker 4: say that because you see the person that I'm married to.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know, right, you know, maybe I
Speaker 4: should put out a video so I can shut them up.
Speaker 2: You hear, you hear a lot, you see a lot
Speaker 2: on you know, the news or whatever about how people
Speaker 2: hate on interracial relationships. I am. I think that I
Speaker 2: have been very lucky that we have been very lucky
Speaker 2: that we haven't experienced that yet. But I think it's
Speaker 2: also you know, we have six year old boys and
Speaker 2: we have one that looks white er and you have
Speaker 2: one that looks black, and you know it'll be both black.
Speaker 2: So but it's it'll be interesting to see how society
Speaker 2: treats them.
Speaker 3: I just started to introduce that to them.
Speaker 1: Because you guys were donors for separately for each one, right,
Speaker 1: is that how it worked?
Speaker 2: So we have one split we.
Speaker 4: Took like it's like if you gave us your eggs,
Speaker 4: we took two of your eggs.
Speaker 3: He fertilized one.
Speaker 1: Because listen, I love that like designer babies. That right,
Speaker 1: by the way, that's amazing, Like I think that was
Speaker 1: the best way for that to be able to happen.
Speaker 4: That's awesome, thank you, it's you know, it makes it's
Speaker 4: so it's amazing because it's a way for them. It's
Speaker 4: like our families connected because we're inter racial and even
Speaker 4: though Sander is like I made him, and the egg
Speaker 4: donor is black, but she also is like, I think,
Speaker 4: like twenty five or thirty percent German. So it's like
Speaker 4: like it's a big mix, you know, in our house,
Speaker 4: and it just flows and it works.
Speaker 2: I remember the day when Sean was like, so you know,
Speaker 2: it took us five years and twelve tries, two doctors,
Speaker 2: six egg donors, five whatever is good though, And I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, you reach a point in each of this
Speaker 2: process where you're like, we can't go anymore with this,
Speaker 2: so you have to start over, and you're literally starting over.
Speaker 2: And so we start over, and we start over, and
Speaker 2: I remember this last time, he's like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: find our egg donor and he I remember specifically him
Speaker 2: sitting down and going on the computer and finding us.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna find her today.
Speaker 2: And he sure. I mean it could take people months
Speaker 2: to find someone that both of us agree on. He's like,
Speaker 2: I found her, and I was like, oh wow, Like that's.
Speaker 3: I was like. I was like, I was like, we're
Speaker 3: gonna have it. We're gonna have a baby with this woman.
Speaker 4: And the reason why it's like more of like that
Speaker 4: this is probably a little deeper than we need to go.
Speaker 3: But you know, when you go on to egg on
Speaker 3: a website, it's like online dating. You get there, they
Speaker 3: have to show pictures of when they were kids, and
Speaker 3: you get a picture like they have to show a
Speaker 3: certain amount of pictures and then they do this long
Speaker 3: right up as to why they're doing it.
Speaker 4: You get their family history, to health history, the whole thing.
Speaker 4: But all of them have an alias. So let's just
Speaker 4: say one of them was like Angela, but her real
Speaker 4: name is Sean, right, Like, this woman was like had
Speaker 4: her alias is Angela, but then she introduced herself like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm Sean and and immediately was like this person doesn't
Speaker 4: want to lie that too, using her because like everyone else,
Speaker 4: like they they introduced themselves there.
Speaker 1: Really is right.
Speaker 4: And what she said she was going to do with
Speaker 4: the money, this she actually she ended up doing it,
Speaker 4: and it was so cool to like see, well, I
Speaker 4: don't know if I want to say the.
Speaker 1: Whole pot all her was it? Really The whole process
Speaker 1: was expensive though, right, being that you guys over a half.
Speaker 3: A million dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I'm so glad it happened for you guys though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, But it was again. I just also
Speaker 2: there's so many milestones, and during it happened where the
Speaker 2: very first meeting in January twenty thirteen, the doctor sits
Speaker 2: us down, is like, you know, this may not follow
Speaker 2: the path that you think it's going to, you know,
Speaker 2: might take a little longer than you think. And I
Speaker 2: was like, who the fuck is this guy think he is?
Speaker 2: Like I got good spurm, he's got good spurm, we
Speaker 2: got good eggs. This will be one and done, two
Speaker 2: and done. And then sure enough, you know, miscarriage didn't work.
Speaker 2: Another miscarriage didn't work. You know, problem with this, this, this,
Speaker 2: And you're like wow, like this is takeing forever and
Speaker 2: we're at ground zero again. We're at ground zero again.
Speaker 2: What do we do?
Speaker 1: I'm so happy? And it makes you think about maternal
Speaker 1: health care and like just all of that and how
Speaker 1: difficult it is for women, you know. And lastly, because
Speaker 1: I know we have to get out of here, but
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys about I know, about
Speaker 1: working together, you know, and being a couple, but spending
Speaker 1: a lot of time together, being in love but also
Speaker 1: working together. How is that making that transition? Of course
Speaker 1: we know you have your underwear line. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Well.
Speaker 3: It's really interesting. So obviously, prior to having kids, we.
Speaker 4: Pretty much spent all day together and we are literally
Speaker 4: best friends, Like we just are you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: and every way possible.
Speaker 3: Uh, working together is interesting.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's definitely some tough moments because you want
Speaker 4: to shut off work or there's like work conflict and
Speaker 4: you have to like work through that. But for the
Speaker 4: most part, like, we don't work together like I have
Speaker 4: like an amazing executive assistant who is like my external
Speaker 4: hard drive, right, and we have other employees that are
Speaker 4: like they work so hard and I work mostly with
Speaker 4: them and he deals with contracts and money. There is
Speaker 4: overlap obviously, but I think we don't we don't necessarily
Speaker 4: work together and a very any.
Speaker 3: Intense even though he's more my manager. It's kind of
Speaker 3: hard to explain, but you can give it them this name.
Speaker 2: So I think two things I think about when spouse's
Speaker 2: r family worked together. Before I met Sean, I was
Speaker 2: working for my parents and they had an education consulting company,
Speaker 2: so I had some history in working with family, but
Speaker 2: I the one There was two things that I one
Speaker 2: thing I learned from him was like, you have to
Speaker 2: establish parameters. Yes, And I remember because when he when
Speaker 2: we were first together, I would be up until two
Speaker 2: am and he's sleeping on my couch and he gets
Speaker 2: up at five because he's just on the go, and
Speaker 2: I sleep until ten. He's like, we need to change
Speaker 2: this because if we continue this, we're not going to
Speaker 2: see each other. And so he's like, let's try and
Speaker 2: work from nine to five and when it comes we
Speaker 2: turn our phones off or whatever. And so establishing those
Speaker 2: rules or parameters is essential. So that was really good.
Speaker 2: And the other thing was, Oh, when we have something
Speaker 2: to talk to each other about, it's like we need
Speaker 2: to go and we we have a precursor, which is
Speaker 2: we need to go in the locker room. We need
Speaker 2: to I need to talk to you as my husband,
Speaker 2: or I need to talk to you as my boss,
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you as my.
Speaker 3: Coworker, my best friend. Right, you know, we have preference.
Speaker 2: Okay, bay Balls, we're talking about work, and I need
Speaker 2: you to be like a work colleague for this.
Speaker 4: Pele, I'm gonna tell you why he calls by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, times, I think it's important establishing those parameters so
Speaker 2: that people understand.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, like the great reason why we call
Speaker 4: each other bayballs is because, like you ever hear somebody
Speaker 4: say holy fuck balls or something like that. So we
Speaker 4: always said, whenever you add balls at the end of
Speaker 4: a word, it makes its exponentially amazing.
Speaker 3: So instead of calling each other baby be call each
Speaker 3: other bayballs.
Speaker 1: An amazing All right, well, listen, you guys, make sure
Speaker 1: I'm so into this, like, I love it. I loved
Speaker 1: our conversation. I told them before you guys came, I
Speaker 1: was like, they'll talk about everything anything like complete open books.
Speaker 1: So we always appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, transparency. We are. I'm a
Speaker 3: big believer in you know.
Speaker 4: You have to live your life for you because I
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm gonna be here tomorrow and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna I want to have a good ass time. And
Speaker 4: we respect people. We change people's lives every day. But like,
Speaker 4: especially coming on the show like this, there'll be a
Speaker 4: lot of people like damn, like I know that about
Speaker 4: Sean t and Scott, But I'm like, you don't know
Speaker 4: a lot about anybody that you see online. You see,
Speaker 4: you literally probably know three percent of that.
Speaker 1: We know that we want to get our abs like
Speaker 1: yours the going out and give me fifty.
Speaker 3: This work.
Speaker 1: But no, honestly, I appreciate you guys so much and
Speaker 1: we definitely will follow up like we want to make
Speaker 1: sure we keep our relationship. Guys so much fun. I
Speaker 1: loved having you on way Up and I loved having
Speaker 1: you here and we talked about you so much. Scott.
Speaker 1: It's great to meet you in person.
Speaker 2: I will say that, you know, he came into your
Speaker 2: show way up and I was like, I saw this
Speaker 2: interview and I was like, this is the best fucking
Speaker 2: interview I've ever seen anyone do with Sean. The questions
Speaker 2: you asked, the the the intent that it just was.
Speaker 2: It literally felt like you were authentically wanting to know
Speaker 2: more about this person. And I know you do it
Speaker 2: on the regular, but I don't know if it's just
Speaker 2: your gift, but I was like, I was telling everyone,
Speaker 2: you have to watch this interview. It was so brilliant.
Speaker 2: So thank you for.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's great and even interviewing somebody, but
Speaker 1: having somebody who's great to interview, who actually talks and
Speaker 1: is open that helps so much when it's time to
Speaker 1: like move the conversation, elevate the conversation. So I appreciate
Speaker 1: you both today for being here. And of course, you know,
Speaker 1: I love my girls. The lady Jordan has been guest
Speaker 1: hosting all way up, so she actually had a degree
Speaker 1: in journalism. Don't play with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to school for radio team definitely today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I love it.
Speaker 3: Originally I switched over, and so I tell him every
Speaker 3: time I get to do these type of shows and
Speaker 3: interviews and even my podcast, I'm like, it's because it's
Speaker 3: it's I.
Speaker 1: Love it and I haven't bring this podcast back.
Speaker 3: What's that? Oh yeah, my podcast? Yees?
Speaker 4: So transformation we've so I just kind of changed the
Speaker 4: structure of it. But yeah, I've already shot two seasons
Speaker 4: of it. Okay, So we're just like in a post
Speaker 4: production partner. I want to I'm on a radio show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I can see it, Okay. And GJ is actually gonna
Speaker 1: be at Essence also representing Philippins. So this will actually
Speaker 1: be my first time being on the Red carpet as
Speaker 1: an interviewer. I've been on a few reds interviewing me,
Speaker 1: but I will be on site correspondence for Lip Service
Speaker 1: Festival in New Orleans, New Orleans July.
Speaker 5: Spoken there July weekend.
Speaker 1: So this is the first time I'll actually be working, essence,
Speaker 1: and she's narrating the Magic City movie. So, Magic City
Speaker 1: has a documentary that has been picked up by a
Speaker 1: major network. Can't say who it is yet, but it's
Speaker 1: executive produced by Jermaine Dupree and Drake's Dream Crew production
Speaker 1: company as well as Jamie Gertz. She owns The Hawks
Speaker 1: with her husband. City is really involved, I narrate. I
Speaker 1: am like the start of the show. It was a
Speaker 1: three part documentary and I I am beyond stoked. I
Speaker 1: saw the first episode we did south By Southwest and
Speaker 1: we premiered the first episode there and so I was
Speaker 1: like teased a little bit with a little bit of it,
Speaker 1: but I can't wait to see the d I can't
Speaker 1: wait for.
Speaker 5: The world to see it for real.
Speaker 1: To give everybody in this room, there you guys, survey