WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Bold Draft Predictions! 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.960 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:15.400 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.279 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:27.680 Star in Price Joe Elliott blowing the line, Scots and 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:32.800 now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:41.879 and Kyle Yeomans. There is nothing dangerous about thinking crazy things, 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.800 and that's exactly what we're gonna do, straight out of 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.080 the mouth of Jerry Jones. Here the next hour, We're 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.800 gonna think some crazy things on Talking Cowboys. It is 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.280 Draft week at the Star in First go in the 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.920 s WBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back, 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.520 het Ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans, and we are fresh 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.760 off the pre draft press conference a little bit later 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.800 today than are no normal talking Tuesday time slot, but 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.160 Rob lots to talk about from the pre draft press conference. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:17.360 Apparently Taco Charlton was a selection straight from Steven Jones. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.080 There was a Taco reference. There was a Taco Charles 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.680 forty five minutes. Yes, I don't know if that's a 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.200 good thing to joke about. It was. It was a 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.160 jab man dab straight up jab talk about the draft 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.319 plenty is of course we are just under or just around. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.039 Oh it's Taco Tuesday. Hit the hit the Mario sound 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:42.120 for yourself there it is, Rob, What what did you 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:43.880 get out of the press conference? And you actually went 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.959 to the walk off as well? There was no walk off. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.640 There was no walk off. You didn't miss anything. Um, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.480 so you're saying the Cowboys gonna get crazy on Thursday nights. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.400 That which sounds like that is that? It was that 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.640 a quote directly from jeffs directly. There's nothing dangerous about 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.600 thinking crazy things. Apparently they've been running through the scenarios 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.680 about trading up, trading down, drowned one, round two, round three, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.200 they've done it all to this point. Apparently they always 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.880 do that. They always do that and look like, I'm 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.760 not going to be a cynic here, but do it. 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.280 These pre draft press conferences are what they are like 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:22.840 they they're there's some gamesmanship being played every year during 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.880 this and it's always about forty five minutes and there's 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.040 useful information that comes out of it, but there's a 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.440 on a certain level, they're not going to give us 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.960 anything you know. I mean, Mike McCarthy was asked about 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.639 certain positions breaking down positions. He just flat said, no, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.560 I'm not going to do that. Uh. You know, Stephen 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.919 Jones was asked about certain interior offensive linemen that we've 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.720 talked about that David did ask that question. It was 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.680 David Moore. There was a Todd I think it was Todd. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.720 I was like, somebody's getting straight to the point, and 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.320 Stephen just you know, Dwight Powell rejected that into the 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.120 third roads that we're not going to talk about. Go MAVs, baby, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:59.200 go MAVs. Um so like. But but that being said, 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.320 I mean, they're they're There were some some good items 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.680 of information that kind of, you know, give us an 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.760 idea of maybe where they're leaning towards. But basically what 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.480 I took out of it was sure, twenty four could 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.120 be some nice players available, but we could trade up, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.519 or hell, we could trade down. You know, they're not 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.320 ruling anything out, and that's usually how these press conferences go. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.839 Not ruling anything out, but also not showing your hand 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.680 is ultimately what it is, right, and they didn't necessarily 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.400 do either one of those things. Throughout Isaiah, I know, 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.119 you were listening to anything stick out to you. Yeah, 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:34.840 I mean just sounds like I mean, you know your 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:36.800 to your point, Rob. I mean, you can dive into 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.240 this as much as you as you want. But I 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.680 think that this, the rhetoric than language around this press 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.760 conference and leading up to this press conference, is kind 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.960 of leading you to believe that Dallas is more willing 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.800 to move around in this year's draft and draft and 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.800 they have in recent years. And I'm not even sure 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.880 if they're going after players. I don't I don't even 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.200 know if that's I know a lot of people are 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.280 thinking about who's going to get drafted. I think that 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.760 they're in I think Steven Jones actually kind of solidified 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.640 it for me today when he started talking about how 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.560 they're not done yet, free agency is not done. How 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.520 players you know, obviously we know who's available in free agency, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.840 he said, not just the draft picks. But so that 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:13.960 leads me to believe that they're looking at other guys 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.680 that are possibly not being talked about, that are sitting 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.680 on other guys rosters right now. And I think that 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.640 they're going to address that office in line, you know, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.600 the holes with some veterans in that regards. So when 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.840 you start talking about draft picks and trading up or 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.680 trading down, start thinking about players that can get traded 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.160 along with those draft picks well traded, Like to your point, 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.880 you know Robert Quinn trade happened. I think after the 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.240 draft a few years ago. Yep. And I think Stephen 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.919 referencing generally speaking on the fan last week, that there's 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:46.080 guys that will find themselves off of rosters a week 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.200 or two from now based on what other teams do 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.279 in the draft, when other teams do as far as 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.360 filling needs, so like they're, yeah, they're open for business 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.120 to keep adding heck, on top of they're trying to 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.680 make play that like they're not relying on nine draft 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.840 picks or however many draft picks. It ends up being 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.560 plus college free agency as the only way that they're 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.920 going to get better or address needs between now a 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.039 training camp now. Stephen is committed to not making any 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.120 hasty decisions this offseason, and all of his decisions have 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.200 pretty much yelled that. But just looking off at all 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.640 three of those guys sitting up there for the press conference, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.240 he was Mike McCarthy that I had a lot of 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.840 my attention on and I thought it was interesting that 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.560 Jerry made the point that in draft's past he's been 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.600 all about everybody being all inclusive in it and having 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.240 an opinion on it, and then talking about Mike and 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.280 his experience with drafts being that this is really unfamiliar 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.800 territory to him, being that in Green Bay, I believe 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.760 it's Ted Thompson, the gym that was there didn't allow 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.680 the head coaches or any of those guys that have 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.880 any input on the players that they brought in. So 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.480 it really really kind of speaks to how new Mike 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.560 McCarthy is at all of this as well, having input 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.800 on players that he wants in the draft, and also 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.560 having Dan Quinn here as well, being able to have 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.280 that head coaching brain with his to match to be 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.159 able to get through this process and bring those players 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.680 in that build your culture. You know, the guys that 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.240 are locker room guys right now, there's you have the 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.760 foundation of your team built, you think through your leadership, 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.159 through your young players, but how can you bring guys 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.480 in that are going to add to that? And I 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.000 really think that a lot of this. I know people 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.040 think that it's just gamesmanship, but I think they were 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.000 really honest about their approaching what they're thinking about in 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.440 this draft, because it's true. I mean, who's calling, what 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.080 offers are going to be out there? And if there's 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.680 a guy that you covered on your board and you 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.640 have an opportunity to go up and get them, I'm 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.680 gonna go get them. But if I have four guys 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.159 that have the same draft grade, I'm a trade back 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.400 because I'll have an opportunity to get those guys later. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.160 So I thought that was excellent. That's that's you're absolutely right, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.560 like they don't know what's gonna happen, they don't know 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.039 who's gonna be there, they don't know who's gonna fall potentially, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.000 they don't know who's gonna call, you know, and and 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:52.599 so that's that's a big part of it. And Jerry 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.520 had a nice fishing I love a good fishing reference. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.160 He said, you know, we'll throw some chum out the chum, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.640 we'll see what's in the water. But you're right, like 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.800 they're they're not gonna know. They didn't know Michael Parsons 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.680 was going to be sitting there at twelve when they 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.320 traded back, or before they traded back, which gave them 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.960 the opportunity to trade back, thinking, ah, well, we'll still 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.520 be able to get him and pick up an extra pick. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.960 So much of this is difficult because they're like, like 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.800 you were just saying, thirty two teen thirty one, other 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.240 teams doing the same thing that you're doing, and everyone 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.280 has their draft board together depending on where you are 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.160 from one to ten, right, And I think once we 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.480 get through Thursday, the earlier part, and we see how 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.120 the draft board is going to go, because something crazy 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.160 is going to happen. And the reason I say that, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.160 guys is because of COVID, because of the amount of 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.800 players that are in this draft because of the COVID year. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.040 And Stephen even talked about guys that have six years 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.400 of playing experience and how the middle of this draft 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.840 is going to be so thick with those levels of players, 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.400 And that's where that was useful information, really good stuff. 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.320 Like I didn't expect them to say how many first 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.200 round grades they've got on guys fourteen to sixteen. He 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.600 says he's less than normal. He said he also has 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.560 more or top of the second round grades on players 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.320 than he ever has been or ever has had in 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.600 any other draft along the way, and that actually is 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.800 in line with There was a report from Tom Pellicero 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.760 with the NFL Network that there's a lot of teams 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.120 that have a dozen maybe give or take a couple 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.120 of picks or prospects with those first round grades, and 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.280 that's that is lower than usual. I mean, the Cowboys 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.760 probably on average are twenty first round grades, I would 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.880 say on a given year. So and Stephen said first 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.400 second round kind of thin compared to past years. But 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.920 the meat of this draft, the real depth would be 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.760 third through the fifth round. So that's like if you 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:42.160 want to read the tea leaves and say, well, maybe 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.439 that would depending on how the board falls, maybe that 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.400 you're inclined to keep your picks and not trade up 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.720 and make sure you've got a good volume of draft 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.360 picks of draft capital to to you know, build on 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.599 that depth. Yep, that's there instead of going up and 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.600 getting a guy. But again, you don't know how it's 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.640 gonna fall. You don't know who they love. You don't 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.360 know who they love that might be falling to the 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.240 late teens or something like that where they're just like, 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:09.240 damn it, we know we got this guy's rated so high. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.240 Like a ceedee lamp style, we're gonna go up and 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.680 get him. Well, he just never know to go up 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.640 and get it. In Jerry, of course, having the fishing 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.599 reference he was in a country moved today because he 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.880 had a country music reference as well, saying, if that 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.920 phone's not ringing, that's me calling, and that means if 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.880 that thing isn't ringing, that means he's already on the 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.760 other line, rolling and trying to make something happen, either 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.199 trading back or trading forward to go get a guy. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.400 And if they only have the fourteen to sixteen first 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.160 round grades on players, does that make you feel more? 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.720 Do you feel like it's more likely to go up 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.920 and get a guy, or maybe hey, stay put to 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:43.920 twenty four, see how the board falls, and then you 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.160 trade back if it works out in your favor. In 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.240 that regard, you know, I'm not a country music guy 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.120 at all. I was confused. I thought you were all 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.240 saying I didn't get that right. It's an old country 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.480 music song ofinitely, yeah, like it's gotta be. I had 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.520 no idea. I was like, what if it's the phone? 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.040 I mean, man, I was lost, but anyway, I mean, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:07.240 I just bars. It was just one of those deals. 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.480 Where I was confused. But man, when you talk about 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.520 the exactly about what you just mentioned before about the 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.880 first round grades and having only fourteen guys where you 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.880 would typically have twenty and you're at twenty four, what 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.360 does that say that the guy you won't isn't gonna 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:24.719 be there at twenty four? Possibly? And it just all 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.199 depends on what they do with those first ten picks. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.480 I just believe that there's gonna be a team that 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:32.240 is going to reach on a player. Maybe it's Detroit, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.720 we talked about it last week. Maybe it's Detroit. Maybe 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:39.439 it's Jacksonville. Maybe Jacksonville doesn't have the edge rusher as 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.480 high up on their board as we think. Maybe the 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.880 edge rusher from from Georgia isn't picked as high as 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.040 we think as well. So there's gonna be so much 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.800 that happens. But if you get to the point where 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.599 the guy that you want is there for you and 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.439 a team is willing to dance, you gotta do it. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.720 Boom possible. What are you at? What would you either do, Isaiah, 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.400 go up and get a guy, stay put or come 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.360 from blank check this year? This year? Right now? What 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.840 would you rather do? If I know the board has 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.640 to fall as saying, generally, if there's an opportunity to 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.079 go up there and get your office alignment and go 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.640 grab them, go grab your office alignment. If you if 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:18.560 you're not going to grab office alignment and trade your 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.040 butt down and get some quality and get some draft picks. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.000 The reason why, for the same reason Rogers said, there's 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.280 the meat of this draft is not in those you know, 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.199 in the second half of the first round. It's not 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.760 it's not there, right, Everybody kind of has that same 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.520 consensus that it's just not that deep at that in 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.160 the in that first round takes twenty through sixty or 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.640 very very yeah. So being that there aren't that many 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.120 guys that are just like yep, sure thing, sure thing, 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.120 sure thing, Like it's gonna get crazy because of that, right, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.600 and everybody's grading and they're all the scouts, and everybody's 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.960 gonna have their own speculations and what who's the best players? 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:52.520 I think it's gonna get crazy. So if you have 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.520 an opportunity to go grab your guy, if you don't 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.640 have your guy, you have to trade out and you 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.679 you accumulate as many draft picks as you possibly. You 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.760 take the New England Patriots approach, and you just you know, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.240 these guys are still accumulating picks before the dog on draft. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.000 I just saw these guys. I mean, that's what they do. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.080 You just horre draft picks. They traded a fifth round 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.439 pick for a sixth and a seventh. Yeah, that's like 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.120 all that's just the most Bill Belichick move of all times. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.360 Just trade one fifth for a six in and seven. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:17.960 That's just because and that's what you do. I mean, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.800 look at Dallas has a third, fourth, fifth, fifth, fifth, fifth, sixth, yep. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.079 Just hold them, just hold them. And if you have that, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:27.559 then you're in a position to go out there and 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:28.960 grab some guys that I can kind of come out 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.000 here and compete. And you talked about they heard those 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.360 guys talking about the versatility and how many how much 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.480 guys can contribute. You know, it's not just hey, can 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.480 you just play your position? Can you what else can 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.000 you do? On special teams? You need impact in multiple areas. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.720 That's where you're gonna get those guys at right, Yeah, 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.480 you hold them or or maybe one or two your 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.280 package like the Tyler Beotish thing. What a couple of 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:49.800 that was fourth round, but a couple of years ago 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.040 to move up a little bit to get you make 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.240 sure you get your guy in those middle rounds. So 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.679 I agree with you there for sure. Um so, but yeah, there, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.040 but there is gamesmanship. I mean when Stephen said we 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.440 don't have any muss in this draft, then yeah, yeah, 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.280 maybe maybe they really look they haven't. They have not 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.400 done a lot in free agency. So I and I 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.920 said this last week. I mean, what we say, what 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.240 we see about their roster, where there's a whole here, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.800 whole here, they don't maybe don't feel the same way. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.840 But yeah, I think that's that's an example what I'm 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.319 talking about where it's like, well, we're not going to 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.280 tell you we really need here, here, here, the positions 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.760 we've talked, everybody's talking to take your determined that that 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.280 was a lot right, right, They're not gonna tip their 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:32.959 hand and they're gonna give us some stuff, but not 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.280 not everything. I did think something that, going back to 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.680 Heckmu's point, I really did feel like they were honest 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.880 in a couple of different ways because it lines up 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.959 with the way they've drafted in the past, and it 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.000 kind of it's one of those where they're smoked, there's 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:47.679 fire sort of deals and one of those is positional 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.839 value over need and where it lines up in the draft. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.760 And the question was asked to Stephen Jones, how much 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.559 do you weigh need and best player available and back 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.800 and forth, and he basically went down the line and said, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.199 if it's a similar grade on a prospect, then you 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.319 might lean toward the need. Depending on where those prospects lie, 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.040 you go to that need. That was encouraging me for 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.240 me to hear, because you don't just go willie nilly 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.280 drafting the best player available a lot. You find a 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.520 way to fit that into those holes that you have, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.000 even though there wasn't any must's quote unquote from Steven Jones, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.040 there's a lot of holes on this roster, and you're 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.720 gonna see the early draft picks fall into those holes 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.800 because there are needs in those specific positions. Yeah, it 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.880 was laughable when he said that, Peek. I think everybody 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.080 was kind of in the room saying, man, come on, now, 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.640 we know what you need. Must the must, right, But 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.160 you're right, but he's got a need, yeah somewhere everybody 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.480 for sure. Yeah. But but Kyle, what you're talking about, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.680 I think you're you're they hit the hit it right 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.640 on the head with that, because you look at this 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.360 offensive line. If there is an opportunity for you to 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:50.920 go up and get a guy that you have in 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:52.600 this book that you say, look, this is a this 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.960 is a dog. You know, he's gonna be a fit guy. 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.120 He comes right in and he's ready to play right now. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.200 Why not do that? But if you have five or 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.200 six of those guys, don't don't don't take reach. Don't 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.240 reach because you don't have to, you know, And so 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.160 much of this draft has been based off of best 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.680 player available. In all those philosophies that come into what 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.360 you're gonna do with this this time period, we understand 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.960 that this team is maybe one offensive lineman away from 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.520 putting this thing back together, or maybe a linebacker away 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.400 on defense, So that even with those even with those 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.240 situations that you need, it's only going to take one 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.840 either through the draft or through free agency. Yeah, I'm 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.360 really I think Dallas is in a position where they're 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.920 hoping that the rest of the league is really kind 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:36.680 of gravitating towards the flashy, big play type type of players. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.440 Hey man, I think Dallas is hoping that everybody gets 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.320 caught on that, right kind of goes down the road 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.040 of without the Rams and some of these other teams 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.040 in the Kansas Cities of the world. I hate get 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.320 the big, the big, flashy player, like go go grab 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.240 that guy, because Dallas needs to get back to their idea, 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.960 to their identity. Okay, that's an interesting point because you 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:58.520 you might think that that's what they should do. Is 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.680 it actually what they're doing because they get as much 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.280 so as the rest of the thirty two NFL teams, 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.160 they could also get caught up on the flashy prospect. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.000 They love Drake London across the lay wide receiver out 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.200 of USC. They absolutely love the need though too. It 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.120 is to a certain extent receivers top two needs in 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.760 mind leading up to this draft. You're I think this 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.760 year more than any year in recent history. I'm no 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.600 historian in the NFL, but in terms of my history player, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.920 you're realizing that players are touchable. There's no there aren't 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.960 many players in this league that are untouchable. I think 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.920 that if there's ever been a year that you felt 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.920 that in the NFL, I think this is probably the year. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.200 So in terms of somebody have I got If I 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.840 have my guy, heck him over there on the squad 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.040 and he's one of the beasts on somebody else's team. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.520 I'm not afraid to ask, is he available this year? 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.440 This year, I'm not afraid to ask. I'm not afraid. 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:47.960 I'm gonna I'm gonna make that call, and I'm gonna 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.000 throw that question out there. Win in recent years, I think, Man, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.280 I ain't eve gonna waste my time with that. This year, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.440 players are available, you know, guys are available. Guys that 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.920 are already proven are available. So that's what I'm saying. 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:00.880 That everybody's looking at draft picks and I'm like, Okay, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.360 that's cool. Look at some of he's cassing are on 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.160 rosters that you could say, hey, I got a couple 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.679 of fifth rounders for you. What what you what? You want? 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.000 What you want? You want to move this catter? No, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:09.879 he's not gonna sign back with you next year. You 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:10.960 might as well go ahead and give him to us. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:12.880 A great point. Nikki Minn has said this for years, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.920 and I agree they could maybe stand to do more 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.120 of that that that. I've referenced the Robert Quinn trade 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:20.879 a couple of years ago. That's a great trade. I mean, 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.800 it has to work. It has to be a situation 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:24.880 where Okay, he's not gonna be back, he doesn't fit 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.800 in their new scheme, that kind of thing, And we 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.119 don't know how involved they are with that. There are reports. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.440 I talked about it last week. You know, Brandon Cooks 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.720 was a guy that they reportedly called about. Um, I'm 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:42.280 missing Anne, Yeah, Okdarius tell yeah. But there there are 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.080 reports they've called on a couple of guys. I'm missing 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.040 the other guy, Brandon Cooks and DeVante Parker was another 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.480 guy that they were rumored to be linked to. We 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.360 don't know how involved they are with that. I think 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.200 that is that is another route position. But then you 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.679 see something happened immediately after that rumor, and you think 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.600 about what's happening today with the rumor and then the 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.280 window between Green Bay and possibly the Vegas Race exactly. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.840 So I mean, this is this There's something too what 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.320 you just said, and so making that call and saying that, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.480 But I want to go back to something else you 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.680 said about players that now the flashy pick what team 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.720 is gonna make that mistake? And I've always met I 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.760 call him the Valentine's Day guys. The guys you started 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.200 hearing about on Valentine's Day. All of a sudden, this 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.480 guy becomes a name you know, and you hadn't heard 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.680 anything from it before. He has a super agent, and 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.440 all of a sudden, this kid is bigger than life. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.040 And I'm like, I know, I watch a lot of football. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.960 I don't remember your name. Jermaine Johnson's one of those 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:40.560