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Speaker 1: Draft week at the Star in First go in the
Speaker 1: s WBC studios. Welcome in, everybody. Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back,
Speaker 1: het Ma Harrison. I'm Kyle Yeomans, and we are fresh
Speaker 1: off the pre draft press conference a little bit later
Speaker 1: today than are no normal talking Tuesday time slot, but
Speaker 1: Rob lots to talk about from the pre draft press conference.
Speaker 1: Apparently Taco Charlton was a selection straight from Steven Jones.
Speaker 1: There was a Taco reference. There was a Taco Charles
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. Yes, I don't know if that's a
Speaker 1: good thing to joke about. It was. It was a
Speaker 1: jab man dab straight up jab talk about the draft
Speaker 1: plenty is of course we are just under or just around.
Speaker 1: Oh it's Taco Tuesday. Hit the hit the Mario sound
Speaker 1: for yourself there it is, Rob, What what did you
Speaker 1: get out of the press conference? And you actually went
Speaker 1: to the walk off as well? There was no walk off.
Speaker 1: There was no walk off. You didn't miss anything. Um,
Speaker 1: so you're saying the Cowboys gonna get crazy on Thursday nights.
Speaker 1: That which sounds like that is that? It was that
Speaker 1: a quote directly from jeffs directly. There's nothing dangerous about
Speaker 1: thinking crazy things. Apparently they've been running through the scenarios
Speaker 1: about trading up, trading down, drowned one, round two, round three,
Speaker 1: they've done it all to this point. Apparently they always
Speaker 1: do that. They always do that and look like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be a cynic here, but do it.
Speaker 1: These pre draft press conferences are what they are like
Speaker 1: they they're there's some gamesmanship being played every year during
Speaker 1: this and it's always about forty five minutes and there's
Speaker 1: useful information that comes out of it, but there's a
Speaker 1: on a certain level, they're not going to give us
Speaker 1: anything you know. I mean, Mike McCarthy was asked about
Speaker 1: certain positions breaking down positions. He just flat said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that. Uh. You know, Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones was asked about certain interior offensive linemen that we've
Speaker 1: talked about that David did ask that question. It was
Speaker 1: David Moore. There was a Todd I think it was Todd.
Speaker 1: I was like, somebody's getting straight to the point, and
Speaker 1: Stephen just you know, Dwight Powell rejected that into the
Speaker 1: third roads that we're not going to talk about. Go MAVs, baby,
Speaker 1: go MAVs. Um so like. But but that being said,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're There were some some good items
Speaker 1: of information that kind of, you know, give us an
Speaker 1: idea of maybe where they're leaning towards. But basically what
Speaker 1: I took out of it was sure, twenty four could
Speaker 1: be some nice players available, but we could trade up,
Speaker 1: or hell, we could trade down. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: ruling anything out, and that's usually how these press conferences go.
Speaker 1: Not ruling anything out, but also not showing your hand
Speaker 1: is ultimately what it is, right, and they didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: do either one of those things. Throughout Isaiah, I know,
Speaker 1: you were listening to anything stick out to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just sounds like I mean, you know your
Speaker 1: to your point, Rob. I mean, you can dive into
Speaker 1: this as much as you as you want. But I
Speaker 1: think that this, the rhetoric than language around this press
Speaker 1: conference and leading up to this press conference, is kind
Speaker 1: of leading you to believe that Dallas is more willing
Speaker 1: to move around in this year's draft and draft and
Speaker 1: they have in recent years. And I'm not even sure
Speaker 1: if they're going after players. I don't I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that's I know a lot of people are
Speaker 1: thinking about who's going to get drafted. I think that
Speaker 1: they're in I think Steven Jones actually kind of solidified
Speaker 1: it for me today when he started talking about how
Speaker 1: they're not done yet, free agency is not done. How
Speaker 1: players you know, obviously we know who's available in free agency,
Speaker 1: he said, not just the draft picks. But so that
Speaker 1: leads me to believe that they're looking at other guys
Speaker 1: that are possibly not being talked about, that are sitting
Speaker 1: on other guys rosters right now. And I think that
Speaker 1: they're going to address that office in line, you know,
Speaker 1: the holes with some veterans in that regards. So when
Speaker 1: you start talking about draft picks and trading up or
Speaker 1: trading down, start thinking about players that can get traded
Speaker 1: along with those draft picks well traded, Like to your point,
Speaker 1: you know Robert Quinn trade happened. I think after the
Speaker 1: draft a few years ago. Yep. And I think Stephen
Speaker 1: referencing generally speaking on the fan last week, that there's
Speaker 1: guys that will find themselves off of rosters a week
Speaker 1: or two from now based on what other teams do
Speaker 1: in the draft, when other teams do as far as
Speaker 1: filling needs, so like they're, yeah, they're open for business
Speaker 1: to keep adding heck, on top of they're trying to
Speaker 1: make play that like they're not relying on nine draft
Speaker 1: picks or however many draft picks. It ends up being
Speaker 1: plus college free agency as the only way that they're
Speaker 1: going to get better or address needs between now a
Speaker 1: training camp now. Stephen is committed to not making any
Speaker 1: hasty decisions this offseason, and all of his decisions have
Speaker 1: pretty much yelled that. But just looking off at all
Speaker 1: three of those guys sitting up there for the press conference,
Speaker 1: he was Mike McCarthy that I had a lot of
Speaker 1: my attention on and I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: Jerry made the point that in draft's past he's been
Speaker 1: all about everybody being all inclusive in it and having
Speaker 1: an opinion on it, and then talking about Mike and
Speaker 1: his experience with drafts being that this is really unfamiliar
Speaker 1: territory to him, being that in Green Bay, I believe
Speaker 1: it's Ted Thompson, the gym that was there didn't allow
Speaker 1: the head coaches or any of those guys that have
Speaker 1: any input on the players that they brought in. So
Speaker 1: it really really kind of speaks to how new Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is at all of this as well, having input
Speaker 1: on players that he wants in the draft, and also
Speaker 1: having Dan Quinn here as well, being able to have
Speaker 1: that head coaching brain with his to match to be
Speaker 1: able to get through this process and bring those players
Speaker 1: in that build your culture. You know, the guys that
Speaker 1: are locker room guys right now, there's you have the
Speaker 1: foundation of your team built, you think through your leadership,
Speaker 1: through your young players, but how can you bring guys
Speaker 1: in that are going to add to that? And I
Speaker 1: really think that a lot of this. I know people
Speaker 1: think that it's just gamesmanship, but I think they were
Speaker 1: really honest about their approaching what they're thinking about in
Speaker 1: this draft, because it's true. I mean, who's calling, what
Speaker 1: offers are going to be out there? And if there's
Speaker 1: a guy that you covered on your board and you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to go up and get them, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go get them. But if I have four guys
Speaker 1: that have the same draft grade, I'm a trade back
Speaker 1: because I'll have an opportunity to get those guys later.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was excellent. That's that's you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: like they don't know what's gonna happen, they don't know
Speaker 1: who's gonna be there, they don't know who's gonna fall potentially,
Speaker 1: they don't know who's gonna call, you know, and and
Speaker 1: so that's that's a big part of it. And Jerry
Speaker 1: had a nice fishing I love a good fishing reference.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, we'll throw some chum out the chum,
Speaker 1: we'll see what's in the water. But you're right, like
Speaker 1: they're they're not gonna know. They didn't know Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: was going to be sitting there at twelve when they
Speaker 1: traded back, or before they traded back, which gave them
Speaker 1: the opportunity to trade back, thinking, ah, well, we'll still
Speaker 1: be able to get him and pick up an extra pick.
Speaker 1: So much of this is difficult because they're like, like
Speaker 1: you were just saying, thirty two teen thirty one, other
Speaker 1: teams doing the same thing that you're doing, and everyone
Speaker 1: has their draft board together depending on where you are
Speaker 1: from one to ten, right, And I think once we
Speaker 1: get through Thursday, the earlier part, and we see how
Speaker 1: the draft board is going to go, because something crazy
Speaker 1: is going to happen. And the reason I say that,
Speaker 1: guys is because of COVID, because of the amount of
Speaker 1: players that are in this draft because of the COVID year.
Speaker 1: And Stephen even talked about guys that have six years
Speaker 1: of playing experience and how the middle of this draft
Speaker 1: is going to be so thick with those levels of players,
Speaker 1: And that's where that was useful information, really good stuff.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't expect them to say how many first
Speaker 1: round grades they've got on guys fourteen to sixteen. He
Speaker 1: says he's less than normal. He said he also has
Speaker 1: more or top of the second round grades on players
Speaker 1: than he ever has been or ever has had in
Speaker 1: any other draft along the way, and that actually is
Speaker 1: in line with There was a report from Tom Pellicero
Speaker 1: with the NFL Network that there's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: that have a dozen maybe give or take a couple
Speaker 1: of picks or prospects with those first round grades, and
Speaker 1: that's that is lower than usual. I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: probably on average are twenty first round grades, I would
Speaker 1: say on a given year. So and Stephen said first
Speaker 1: second round kind of thin compared to past years. But
Speaker 1: the meat of this draft, the real depth would be
Speaker 1: third through the fifth round. So that's like if you
Speaker 1: want to read the tea leaves and say, well, maybe
Speaker 1: that would depending on how the board falls, maybe that
Speaker 1: you're inclined to keep your picks and not trade up
Speaker 1: and make sure you've got a good volume of draft
Speaker 1: picks of draft capital to to you know, build on
Speaker 1: that depth. Yep, that's there instead of going up and
Speaker 1: getting a guy. But again, you don't know how it's
Speaker 1: gonna fall. You don't know who they love. You don't
Speaker 1: know who they love that might be falling to the
Speaker 1: late teens or something like that where they're just like,
Speaker 1: damn it, we know we got this guy's rated so high.
Speaker 1: Like a ceedee lamp style, we're gonna go up and
Speaker 1: get him. Well, he just never know to go up
Speaker 1: and get it. In Jerry, of course, having the fishing
Speaker 1: reference he was in a country moved today because he
Speaker 1: had a country music reference as well, saying, if that
Speaker 1: phone's not ringing, that's me calling, and that means if
Speaker 1: that thing isn't ringing, that means he's already on the
Speaker 1: other line, rolling and trying to make something happen, either
Speaker 1: trading back or trading forward to go get a guy.
Speaker 1: And if they only have the fourteen to sixteen first
Speaker 1: round grades on players, does that make you feel more?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's more likely to go up
Speaker 1: and get a guy, or maybe hey, stay put to
Speaker 1: twenty four, see how the board falls, and then you
Speaker 1: trade back if it works out in your favor. In
Speaker 1: that regard, you know, I'm not a country music guy
Speaker 1: at all. I was confused. I thought you were all
Speaker 1: saying I didn't get that right. It's an old country
Speaker 1: music song ofinitely, yeah, like it's gotta be. I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I was like, what if it's the phone?
Speaker 1: I mean, man, I was lost, but anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just bars. It was just one of those deals.
Speaker 1: Where I was confused. But man, when you talk about
Speaker 1: the exactly about what you just mentioned before about the
Speaker 1: first round grades and having only fourteen guys where you
Speaker 1: would typically have twenty and you're at twenty four, what
Speaker 1: does that say that the guy you won't isn't gonna
Speaker 1: be there at twenty four? Possibly? And it just all
Speaker 1: depends on what they do with those first ten picks.
Speaker 1: I just believe that there's gonna be a team that
Speaker 1: is going to reach on a player. Maybe it's Detroit,
Speaker 1: we talked about it last week. Maybe it's Detroit. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's Jacksonville. Maybe Jacksonville doesn't have the edge rusher as
Speaker 1: high up on their board as we think. Maybe the
Speaker 1: edge rusher from from Georgia isn't picked as high as
Speaker 1: we think as well. So there's gonna be so much
Speaker 1: that happens. But if you get to the point where
Speaker 1: the guy that you want is there for you and
Speaker 1: a team is willing to dance, you gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Boom possible. What are you at? What would you either do, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: go up and get a guy, stay put or come
Speaker 1: from blank check this year? This year? Right now? What
Speaker 1: would you rather do? If I know the board has
Speaker 1: to fall as saying, generally, if there's an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go up there and get your office alignment and go
Speaker 1: grab them, go grab your office alignment. If you if
Speaker 1: you're not going to grab office alignment and trade your
Speaker 1: butt down and get some quality and get some draft picks.
Speaker 1: The reason why, for the same reason Rogers said, there's
Speaker 1: the meat of this draft is not in those you know,
Speaker 1: in the second half of the first round. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not there, right, Everybody kind of has that same
Speaker 1: consensus that it's just not that deep at that in
Speaker 1: the in that first round takes twenty through sixty or
Speaker 1: very very yeah. So being that there aren't that many
Speaker 1: guys that are just like yep, sure thing, sure thing,
Speaker 1: sure thing, Like it's gonna get crazy because of that, right,
Speaker 1: and everybody's grading and they're all the scouts, and everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna have their own speculations and what who's the best players?
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get crazy. So if you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go grab your guy, if you don't
Speaker 1: have your guy, you have to trade out and you
Speaker 1: you accumulate as many draft picks as you possibly. You
Speaker 1: take the New England Patriots approach, and you just you know,
Speaker 1: these guys are still accumulating picks before the dog on draft.
Speaker 1: I just saw these guys. I mean, that's what they do.
Speaker 1: You just horre draft picks. They traded a fifth round
Speaker 1: pick for a sixth and a seventh. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: all that's just the most Bill Belichick move of all times.
Speaker 1: Just trade one fifth for a six in and seven.
Speaker 1: That's just because and that's what you do. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at Dallas has a third, fourth, fifth, fifth, fifth, fifth, sixth, yep.
Speaker 1: Just hold them, just hold them. And if you have that,
Speaker 1: then you're in a position to go out there and
Speaker 1: grab some guys that I can kind of come out
Speaker 1: here and compete. And you talked about they heard those
Speaker 1: guys talking about the versatility and how many how much
Speaker 1: guys can contribute. You know, it's not just hey, can
Speaker 1: you just play your position? Can you what else can
Speaker 1: you do? On special teams? You need impact in multiple areas.
Speaker 1: That's where you're gonna get those guys at right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you hold them or or maybe one or two your
Speaker 1: package like the Tyler Beotish thing. What a couple of
Speaker 1: that was fourth round, but a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: to move up a little bit to get you make
Speaker 1: sure you get your guy in those middle rounds. So
Speaker 1: I agree with you there for sure. Um so, but yeah, there,
Speaker 1: but there is gamesmanship. I mean when Stephen said we
Speaker 1: don't have any muss in this draft, then yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they really look they haven't. They have not
Speaker 1: done a lot in free agency. So I and I
Speaker 1: said this last week. I mean, what we say, what
Speaker 1: we see about their roster, where there's a whole here,
Speaker 1: whole here, they don't maybe don't feel the same way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's that's an example what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about where it's like, well, we're not going to
Speaker 1: tell you we really need here, here, here, the positions
Speaker 1: we've talked, everybody's talking to take your determined that that
Speaker 1: was a lot right, right, They're not gonna tip their
Speaker 1: hand and they're gonna give us some stuff, but not
Speaker 1: not everything. I did think something that, going back to
Speaker 1: Heckmu's point, I really did feel like they were honest
Speaker 1: in a couple of different ways because it lines up
Speaker 1: with the way they've drafted in the past, and it
Speaker 1: kind of it's one of those where they're smoked, there's
Speaker 1: fire sort of deals and one of those is positional
Speaker 1: value over need and where it lines up in the draft.
Speaker 1: And the question was asked to Stephen Jones, how much
Speaker 1: do you weigh need and best player available and back
Speaker 1: and forth, and he basically went down the line and said,
Speaker 1: if it's a similar grade on a prospect, then you
Speaker 1: might lean toward the need. Depending on where those prospects lie,
Speaker 1: you go to that need. That was encouraging me for
Speaker 1: me to hear, because you don't just go willie nilly
Speaker 1: drafting the best player available a lot. You find a
Speaker 1: way to fit that into those holes that you have,
Speaker 1: even though there wasn't any must's quote unquote from Steven Jones,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of holes on this roster, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna see the early draft picks fall into those holes
Speaker 1: because there are needs in those specific positions. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was laughable when he said that, Peek. I think everybody
Speaker 1: was kind of in the room saying, man, come on, now,
Speaker 1: we know what you need. Must the must, right, But
Speaker 1: you're right, but he's got a need, yeah somewhere everybody
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. But but Kyle, what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: I think you're you're they hit the hit it right
Speaker 1: on the head with that, because you look at this
Speaker 1: offensive line. If there is an opportunity for you to
Speaker 1: go up and get a guy that you have in
Speaker 1: this book that you say, look, this is a this
Speaker 1: is a dog. You know, he's gonna be a fit guy.
Speaker 1: He comes right in and he's ready to play right now.
Speaker 1: Why not do that? But if you have five or
Speaker 1: six of those guys, don't don't don't take reach. Don't
Speaker 1: reach because you don't have to, you know, And so
Speaker 1: much of this draft has been based off of best
Speaker 1: player available. In all those philosophies that come into what
Speaker 1: you're gonna do with this this time period, we understand
Speaker 1: that this team is maybe one offensive lineman away from
Speaker 1: putting this thing back together, or maybe a linebacker away
Speaker 1: on defense, So that even with those even with those
Speaker 1: situations that you need, it's only going to take one
Speaker 1: either through the draft or through free agency. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really I think Dallas is in a position where they're
Speaker 1: hoping that the rest of the league is really kind
Speaker 1: of gravitating towards the flashy, big play type type of players.
Speaker 1: Hey man, I think Dallas is hoping that everybody gets
Speaker 1: caught on that, right kind of goes down the road
Speaker 1: of without the Rams and some of these other teams
Speaker 1: in the Kansas Cities of the world. I hate get
Speaker 1: the big, the big, flashy player, like go go grab
Speaker 1: that guy, because Dallas needs to get back to their idea,
Speaker 1: to their identity. Okay, that's an interesting point because you
Speaker 1: you might think that that's what they should do. Is
Speaker 1: it actually what they're doing because they get as much
Speaker 1: so as the rest of the thirty two NFL teams,
Speaker 1: they could also get caught up on the flashy prospect.
Speaker 1: They love Drake London across the lay wide receiver out
Speaker 1: of USC. They absolutely love the need though too. It
Speaker 1: is to a certain extent receivers top two needs in
Speaker 1: mind leading up to this draft. You're I think this
Speaker 1: year more than any year in recent history. I'm no
Speaker 1: historian in the NFL, but in terms of my history player,
Speaker 1: you're realizing that players are touchable. There's no there aren't
Speaker 1: many players in this league that are untouchable. I think
Speaker 1: that if there's ever been a year that you felt
Speaker 1: that in the NFL, I think this is probably the year.
Speaker 1: So in terms of somebody have I got If I
Speaker 1: have my guy, heck him over there on the squad
Speaker 1: and he's one of the beasts on somebody else's team.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to ask, is he available this year?
Speaker 1: This year, I'm not afraid to ask. I'm not afraid.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make that call, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw that question out there. Win in recent years, I think, Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't eve gonna waste my time with that. This year,
Speaker 1: players are available, you know, guys are available. Guys that
Speaker 1: are already proven are available. So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That everybody's looking at draft picks and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Look at some of he's cassing are on
Speaker 1: rosters that you could say, hey, I got a couple
Speaker 1: of fifth rounders for you. What what you what? You want?
Speaker 1: What you want? You want to move this catter? No,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna sign back with you next year. You
Speaker 1: might as well go ahead and give him to us.
Speaker 1: A great point. Nikki Minn has said this for years,
Speaker 1: and I agree they could maybe stand to do more
Speaker 1: of that that that. I've referenced the Robert Quinn trade
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. That's a great trade. I mean,
Speaker 1: it has to work. It has to be a situation
Speaker 1: where Okay, he's not gonna be back, he doesn't fit
Speaker 1: in their new scheme, that kind of thing, And we
Speaker 1: don't know how involved they are with that. There are reports.
Speaker 1: I talked about it last week. You know, Brandon Cooks
Speaker 1: was a guy that they reportedly called about. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: missing Anne, Yeah, Okdarius tell yeah. But there there are
Speaker 1: reports they've called on a couple of guys. I'm missing
Speaker 1: the other guy, Brandon Cooks and DeVante Parker was another
Speaker 1: guy that they were rumored to be linked to. We
Speaker 1: don't know how involved they are with that. I think
Speaker 1: that is that is another route position. But then you
Speaker 1: see something happened immediately after that rumor, and you think
Speaker 1: about what's happening today with the rumor and then the
Speaker 1: window between Green Bay and possibly the Vegas Race exactly.
Speaker 1: So I mean, this is this There's something too what
Speaker 1: you just said, and so making that call and saying that,
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to something else you
Speaker 1: said about players that now the flashy pick what team
Speaker 1: is gonna make that mistake? And I've always met I
Speaker 1: call him the Valentine's Day guys. The guys you started
Speaker 1: hearing about on Valentine's Day. All of a sudden, this
Speaker 1: guy becomes a name you know, and you hadn't heard
Speaker 1: anything from it before. He has a super agent, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this kid is bigger than life.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I know, I watch a lot of football.
Speaker 1: I don't remember your name. Jermaine Johnson's one of those
Speaker 1: you know, Florida Sutton. Nobody knew who he was. Then
Speaker 1: he goes to the senior Valentine's Day guy blowing up. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: now he's a top fifteen pick in the draft. Combine
Speaker 1: always helps with that too, Combine guys, I mean DeVante
Speaker 1: Wyatt's and I mean you can talk about some of
Speaker 1: these receivers in that regard as well. It happens every
Speaker 1: single year. Now Wyatt is a kid from Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now he's a baller. Yeah, Andy and Jordan Davis, and
Speaker 1: they're interchangeable. They're both ballers. If you play for Georgia,
Speaker 1: you probably probably say with Bamaeah, it all works out, Okay.
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie's just a total gadget player, not a very
Speaker 1: not very big on Kyler Gordon say that about George Davis,
Speaker 1: Reagan Stock capital day. For all right, let's take our
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Speaker 1: you lying? You know you're a Buffet guy. He's definitely
Speaker 1: not on my pregame. If the phone doesn't, it's up,
Speaker 1: are you a Buffet guy? I'm just a music guy
Speaker 1: and too young to be a Buffett guy. I can
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Speaker 1: everybody he's got. He's got Buffet lyrics and Kodak Black
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Speaker 1: got a big box. I'm pumped out a mock draft today.
Speaker 1: I hear we heard part of it. You want to
Speaker 1: hear how it went? Go for it? Okay, so Arnold
Speaker 1: Ebba Katie was the pick at number twenty four out
Speaker 1: of Penn State edge rusher, but it was Kansas City
Speaker 1: that made that pick because we traded down to pick
Speaker 1: number twenty nine. We picked up one twenty one and
Speaker 1: a seventh round pick who we later used on Cade York,
Speaker 1: and we took Kenyon Green at number twenty nine, offensive
Speaker 1: guard out of Texas. So we traded back, traded back,
Speaker 1: went from twenty four to twenty nine and made that
Speaker 1: work from there. So that's how we ended up working. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's a it's not a bad thing to think of
Speaker 1: crazy things. As Jerry Jones likes to say, it's my
Speaker 1: favorite line. I'm gonna use that all week long. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you right now, all right, let's take a look
Speaker 1: at some positional sneaky needs. Dollar sign quote? He had
Speaker 1: what was that one? The dollar sign quote? It has
Speaker 1: anything to do with a dollar sign and then it
Speaker 1: comes and it comes through me. I decide, and if
Speaker 1: it comes in and if it goes out, I'm responsible.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he's say. You're Jerry Jones impression. Yes
Speaker 1: it is. It's pretty good. Actually, there you go, all
Speaker 1: right under the radar draft needs. How crucial is it
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys to find some depth at these positions.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with HECKM. Harrison on this one because
Speaker 1: I know you feel some sort of way about this
Speaker 1: linebacker position. How important is it? Because if you look
Speaker 1: up against maybe edge rusher, wide receiver, offensive line, it
Speaker 1: may not be the top need in the draft, but
Speaker 1: it's pretty crucial that the Cowboys come out with at
Speaker 1: least one linebacker at some point. But where do you
Speaker 1: see them going to a linebacker first? So let's just
Speaker 1: say we have Lvee, Luca Gifford, Michael Parsons, and Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox and DeVante Bond. Those are high linebackers right now.
Speaker 1: We obviously know that we're gonna move Michael parsons around.
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox is coming off of the ACL, so that
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks around that. But we are
Speaker 1: really light at the position we should have. We could
Speaker 1: have gotten a baller. We didn't go out and get
Speaker 1: that guy. He ended up going to the Rams. However,
Speaker 1: in this draft you have an opportunity to go out
Speaker 1: and get a guy, and I believe in Nakobe Dean
Speaker 1: would be the guy that I would be going. He's
Speaker 1: really just a quintessential linebacker and you need a dude
Speaker 1: in the middle to hold it down. And just the
Speaker 1: linebacker and position in general has changed because you want
Speaker 1: your linebacker to be able to carry tight ends and
Speaker 1: also cover running backs on the hash marks. So it's
Speaker 1: not just like back in the day you know thick neck,
Speaker 1: big neck, brac and all that, and you just in
Speaker 1: the A and B gap the whole time of those
Speaker 1: you do you do exactly. You do have one of those,
Speaker 1: and I think that's another guy that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit better in Dan Quinn's system. But when you
Speaker 1: have when you have the kind of speed that's out
Speaker 1: there at the linebacker position, you need a guy to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. In Dan Quinn's defense because
Speaker 1: he asked a lot of his linebackers. Now, I know
Speaker 1: y'all talked about this a little bit last week as
Speaker 1: well when I was out, But you're okay spending a
Speaker 1: first round pick on linebacker over offensive line or is
Speaker 1: this just if you're wiped out at offensive line and
Speaker 1: there's other needs out there? So I was just going
Speaker 1: back to what Isaiah was saying earlier, and he's saying that, Look,
Speaker 1: you know you need an offensive lineman, but I don't
Speaker 1: have these offensive linemen as high up as a lot
Speaker 1: of other people do, especially the guard. I'm not even
Speaker 1: looking at tackle because if I get a tackle and
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith can play, oh he playing, Tyren Smith playing,
Speaker 1: and Terren Steele has already proved, you've gotten rid of
Speaker 1: guys to have Terren Steel. So that's why I feel
Speaker 1: like Zion Johnson and Green. I just feel like they're
Speaker 1: in a situation because there aren't a lot of quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in this draft that they've benefited from that, and that's
Speaker 1: why teams are jumping out of the cake to get
Speaker 1: them in the first round. I think with the third
Speaker 1: and fourth round you can still get quality offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: I know people don't think that you can, but because
Speaker 1: of the development in college, you may be able to
Speaker 1: do that. That's all I'm saying. So back to what
Speaker 1: Jerry said, if I could get a Michael Parsons, I'm
Speaker 1: not calling the Kobe Dan Michael Parsons, but I'm saying
Speaker 1: the way that he feels that gap for you on defense,
Speaker 1: you could definitely get you a stud from for the
Speaker 1: future and also be able to satisfy some of your
Speaker 1: needs on the offensive line in the second and third round.
Speaker 1: I have the Kobe Dean ahead of Devin Lloyd as
Speaker 1: well on my board, but Devin Lloyd seems like he
Speaker 1: may be more of a fit from a size standpoint
Speaker 1: and a player standpoint. Six foot two, two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty seven pounds for Devin Lloyd out of Utah as
Speaker 1: opposed to the Kobe Dean who's five eleven. How much
Speaker 1: does that play into your factor? If you're in that
Speaker 1: room talking with Dan Quinn and he's standing on the
Speaker 1: table for a linebacker. Kid, When you evaluated Lloyd, did
Speaker 1: you think that he was kind of Michael Parson ish
Speaker 1: the way that they Yeah, I mean I just saw
Speaker 1: a similarity Michael Parson. No, No, let's not get I'm
Speaker 1: talking about scheme. I'm talking about scheme the way that
Speaker 1: they use. He does. He does a lot of those things.
Speaker 1: Yeaht of them. I love that. Yeah, I love I
Speaker 1: love it too. But I already I already have one
Speaker 1: of those, and I already have a tank. And what
Speaker 1: I need is a real linebacker. I need a guy
Speaker 1: that I can say, when they come out with this
Speaker 1: read option offense, that my linebacker can cover and do
Speaker 1: all of the heavy things that I need my linebacker
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, this kid is talented. I mean,
Speaker 1: you just gotta flip a coin now, you can't go
Speaker 1: wrong either way. So, heck is okay going the first round?
Speaker 1: I already got a tank. I already got a bazook guy.
Speaker 1: Are you okay? First round? Like? Heck to the NOA
Speaker 1: NOA no, because this team is never going to get
Speaker 1: past where they went this year unless they can move
Speaker 1: the ball. That's just facts. Jordan Davis is not going
Speaker 1: to be available to you, all right. You don't know
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be available. You don't know
Speaker 1: he go he works for everybody's team. Okay, So there's no, no,
Speaker 1: there's no okay, doesn't work for our steam. You go ahead,
Speaker 1: you wet dream. He's not gonna be there. So that's
Speaker 1: one guy that you can. You would trade away a
Speaker 1: lot of picks to go grab that guy. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be there, Okay, win at fourteen to the ravens
Speaker 1: in our see him going that low? I mean maybe
Speaker 1: he will, but I don't. I just don't see it
Speaker 1: happening because because he fits everywhere. Devonte Wire by the
Speaker 1: way went nineteen to the same A man, A man
Speaker 1: can wet dream. You can. You need an old lineman?
Speaker 1: Need need I don't care what missus Stephen Jones said,
Speaker 1: you need an old lineman. Now do you reach and
Speaker 1: go get online? You don't reach for it, right, but
Speaker 1: you also can't expect it to fall to you. So
Speaker 1: if you have to move up and grab him, six
Speaker 1: seven picks more than you know, higher than what you
Speaker 1: wanted to secure the bag. Because guess what inventory is
Speaker 1: low right now, there's a lot of stuff sitting out
Speaker 1: there the middle of the ocean. You might have to
Speaker 1: pay a couple more dollars to go out there and
Speaker 1: grab something that you need. So you need to go
Speaker 1: grab that guy if he's around. I agree with you
Speaker 1: because philosophy agree that you can. Our defense played amazing
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, they played well, they played amazing this
Speaker 1: past year, and it still didn't get you anywhere. So
Speaker 1: if you because you didn't run the ball, because you
Speaker 1: can throw the ball the way in which you wanted to.
Speaker 1: So everything always reverts back to, I know, defense wins
Speaker 1: championships with guess what offense gets you past the first round?
Speaker 1: Isn't crazy how much things can flip in a year
Speaker 1: because last year Isaiah was standing on the table saying,
Speaker 1: get defense, get defense, defense, and the offense is going
Speaker 1: to figure it out. And now this year it's vice versa.
Speaker 1: Now you said Valentine's Day when he mentioned the guards,
Speaker 1: do you think do you consider those guys you're Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day guards where they haven't Because I think Kenyan Green
Speaker 1: was at some point in this draft process, very early on,
Speaker 1: was thought as a top fifteen pick. He wasn't even
Speaker 1: thought about being available at twenty four. He has since
Speaker 1: slipped a little bit. Maybe that's because of guys elevating
Speaker 1: and because of some of those Valentine's Day guys that
Speaker 1: are just kind of working's favor. But my whole thing
Speaker 1: is is does this fit the scheme? I think he's
Speaker 1: a zone guy. I think he can definitely do a
Speaker 1: lot of those things. Um, look, inline blocking, I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1: What you're talking about? Can the guy fire off? Is
Speaker 1: he doing all of those things? I saw Green move
Speaker 1: around a lot, so when tackle guard all of that
Speaker 1: and of necessity last year, right and and and I'm
Speaker 1: not and I'm not that's that's not then any dirt
Speaker 1: on him. I'm just basically saying the grade that they're
Speaker 1: giving him and the kid from ball. I just don't
Speaker 1: see Zion Johnson how they're going that high. I think
Speaker 1: if any other any draft that you have and you
Speaker 1: have the right mixture of playmakers and all that, these
Speaker 1: are guys that are late late first early second round guys.
Speaker 1: And that's why I feel like it to your philosophy
Speaker 1: and your point, if I can trade back or I
Speaker 1: can get trade up in the second round and get
Speaker 1: a guy like that, I do it. I have the
Speaker 1: picks in the fourth we we got nine picks. We
Speaker 1: got nine picks, so it's not if we can go
Speaker 1: up and get into Kobe Dean. He's a game changer,
Speaker 1: he's a playmaker. Get that. That's for your future. But
Speaker 1: this guard stuff, I mean, come on, man, they I
Speaker 1: believe there's plenty of those guys in this draft. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. But your philosophy is right. If you
Speaker 1: want to move the ball, if you want to be
Speaker 1: able to pass the ball, you better have a damn
Speaker 1: offensive line to get it done. Yeah, Isaiah, And I
Speaker 1: gotta roll with Isaiah on this one because I that's
Speaker 1: how I felt the whole way based on the last
Speaker 1: game that we saw, Dak wasn't protected enough and they
Speaker 1: could run the ball the last quarter at least of
Speaker 1: the season, last half of the season, probably half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just feel like if you've and yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't want to reach because best player variable has worked
Speaker 1: out well for them the last two years in the
Speaker 1: first round, absolutely Ceede. Lamb has been a very good player.
Speaker 1: They're expecting him to develop into a great player, multi
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls type of receiver. You know, Mica transform your
Speaker 1: defense in one year. You know, I didn't even play
Speaker 1: his last year at college, so BPA has worked out
Speaker 1: for them. But I do lean towards offensive line and
Speaker 1: finding one early because you you would like to have
Speaker 1: a walk in starter, check that box. And add some
Speaker 1: strength and some some size upfront to help Tyler Beardish
Speaker 1: at center ideally. So it's crazy. You know that that
Speaker 1: kid you were talking about Lyndstrom, and I just kind
Speaker 1: of like that Alec Lindstrom. Yeah, from my round. Oh no, Linderm.
Speaker 1: I've been calling so many names, Lindam of them. Yeah, Dbaum,
Speaker 1: I went watched him. He is a dog, dude. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, he is a Put him on the field
Speaker 1: right now. He can go player, right there's no that
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a reach if you got him, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've been against it, but then you're watching exactly
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Can we get a guy that
Speaker 1: can play? But that still doesn't help us with our
Speaker 1: guard position. We need a guard especially. No one is
Speaker 1: counting on kind of MC government to be that guy
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think we're confident in there. I
Speaker 1: absolutely love like your whole thought process here, because at
Speaker 1: this point in the draft process it feels like Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans and I mean we're all guilty of this too,
Speaker 1: being draft analysts, we're kind of pigeon holing offensive guards
Speaker 1: the pick at twenty four. That's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 1: There's so many different ways you could go. And a
Speaker 1: linebacker with Devin Lloyd and and Kobe Dean both being there,
Speaker 1: are certainly going to be in the conversation. They were
Speaker 1: both available for that mock draft earlier today, not only
Speaker 1: at twenty four, but then they were both gone by
Speaker 1: the time we picked at twenty nine. So I mean
Speaker 1: it's a conversation to be had about the linebacker spot
Speaker 1: because you're not set there for the future either. No,
Speaker 1: you bring up that's a that's a great point because
Speaker 1: I go back to two years ago, nobody thought they
Speaker 1: should take a receiver in the first round. Really linebacker either.
Speaker 1: I mean, corner was the position, and if and if
Speaker 1: either JC Horn or Certan had been there, I think
Speaker 1: that would have been would have worked out just fine
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. But you're right, like they could wind
Speaker 1: up doing something none of us expected. I'm just when
Speaker 1: I do these mock drafts. I mean, we got one
Speaker 1: more coming this week, and a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: we had ours on the website. I'm basic. I'm basic
Speaker 1: with my mocks. I just go down and based off
Speaker 1: of needs. That's my style. Okay, guarded Russia wide receiver,
Speaker 1: you want it, you asked about underrated needs, I would
Speaker 1: put tight end in that in that group. Give me
Speaker 1: that's fourth round, kind of a Schultze area. That's where
Speaker 1: they got him, you know, to add to that depth
Speaker 1: like that's where I go. But but you're right, like
Speaker 1: they can go in a lot of different directions. I
Speaker 1: do want to hit some of those other under the
Speaker 1: radar needs. We've got about like eight or nine minutes
Speaker 1: until we hit that second break. What about running back?
Speaker 1: How late or how early do you take a running back? Isaiah?
Speaker 1: Because Tony Pollard's not a guarantee after twenty twenty two, technically,
Speaker 1: neither is Ezekiel Elliott moving forward after this season, you
Speaker 1: might have some question marks at running back? Do you
Speaker 1: take one? Where? Where do you take one? Where would
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable? Fifth in the fifth? Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: realistic cancer. Where would you feel right? It would be
Speaker 1: way later than that. I mean, we took one in
Speaker 1: the fifth today. We took Brian Robinson Junior out of Alabama.
Speaker 1: Good player, tough runner, all around back, can catch out
Speaker 1: of the backfield. He gonna play special teams. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: keep hearing his DN talk. Okay, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to switch it up on you. I keep
Speaker 1: hearing his DN talk a lot. That's pretty much a
Speaker 1: specific need. I don't. I don't feel that necessity. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what Dante Fowler Junior and
Speaker 1: Dorance Armstre I'm comfortable with DQ having talent to utilize
Speaker 1: and be able to move around. I'm very confident in
Speaker 1: Dcu's ability to be able to skiing things up. As
Speaker 1: long as you have talented guys that have a freaking engine,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm That's what I'm confident in, And I
Speaker 1: think having there aren't that many mano imano, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat you down, I'm gonna win every single time type
Speaker 1: of guys in this league. There just aren't that many
Speaker 1: guys at that position anymore. And so I don't feel
Speaker 1: the necessity even I mean even obviously we were lost
Speaker 1: RG like, I don't. I didn't see him as that guy.
Speaker 1: I saw him as a guy that can when he
Speaker 1: when you really needed him to, when you really need
Speaker 1: him be like when he was pissed off. Like when
Speaker 1: he was pissed off, Oh he'll get off in your
Speaker 1: tail now. But he needed to be pissed off right.
Speaker 1: So I agree with what Jerry said today in terms
Speaker 1: of I'd rather have two guys and said it at
Speaker 1: one guy there. How many of those guys are there
Speaker 1: really in this league that you're just fearful when your
Speaker 1: tackle lines up across from him? Well, they they, I mean,
Speaker 1: they thought Randy was coming back, like they had that
Speaker 1: deal yea almost done done. They wanted him back. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I I hear you. I mean and and I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, gan Quinn found a way, Hey,
Speaker 1: Michael part since week two go play edge rusher. That
Speaker 1: worked out pretty well. He knows his player's talent. So
Speaker 1: I'm with you there. I just I wish we could
Speaker 1: have seen more snaps than the handful of snaps we
Speaker 1: saw of Tank, Randy, Gregory and Mica on the field together.
Speaker 1: That was I mean, to me, it's not the same thing,
Speaker 1: but it's almost like I wish we could have seen
Speaker 1: Kyrie Kde together. I'm just saying Ben Simmons stop next year,
Speaker 1: but but that's I do think Randy showed enough flashes
Speaker 1: of being kind of just that game wrecker and and
Speaker 1: they could use another edge rusher in this draft, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, to help Washington against But I mean, but
Speaker 1: it was. But to get that guy. History shows you
Speaker 1: got a draft and edge rusher early to get that guy.
Speaker 1: We referenced Tacco earlier. Tacco is a first round draft
Speaker 1: pick l overall that didn't work out because if you're great,
Speaker 1: if you're Micah Parsons, you're gonna go early. I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I'm more of a maybe I'm just
Speaker 1: a boring GM you are, But I want to I
Speaker 1: want to control. Where's the game control? Because your old
Speaker 1: school in your approach. Listen here, man, where is the
Speaker 1: game control? It's a line of scrimmage, line of freaking scrimmage,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. If you own the d line, if
Speaker 1: you own the offensive line, you always have a shot. Always.
Speaker 1: Where did the Cowboys struggle this pass? Freaking in the trenches?
Speaker 1: But you're not worried about that though, Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about the ends. Control the middle, right, I have
Speaker 1: speed at the at Michael Parsons, it, d Law and
Speaker 1: all these guys. I got speed on the chance. Your point, though,
Speaker 1: is no, no, no, no. If you're going to grab
Speaker 1: a defensive player, right, it needs to be an interior
Speaker 1: defensive Linement. That's a complete doll. Okay, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that dog is gonna be there, or let's play,
Speaker 1: let's play for tend here for a little bit. Then
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau somehow falls to fifteen cowboys are gonna trade up.
Speaker 1: But also Jordan Davis is available. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis. You're not gonna get Cavon Thibodeau. Who has
Speaker 1: a chance to fall, has a chance to slip a little.
Speaker 1: I want to get Jordan Davis. Wow, because without hesitation,
Speaker 1: without hesitation, if I have a shot, if somehow, some
Speaker 1: way he's sitting around it, I am. I'm signing off
Speaker 1: on trade up and get him. Aidan Hutchinson, I don't
Speaker 1: know enough about Jordan Davis. I don't I like Jordan
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis. Will he will clog it up. Listen here,
Speaker 1: both guys, hey first pick in the draft. Baby wipes,
Speaker 1: non disposable baby wipes. Okay, Jordan Davis clogging it up.
Speaker 1: That will clogging, that will happen, Non biodegradable, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: He's clogging it up for your future. Okay, just know
Speaker 1: that two different types of baby wipes out here is biodegradable,
Speaker 1: and there's not. Kay, he is the not non biodegradable.
Speaker 1: What he is gonna clog it up? I'm looking and
Speaker 1: guess what. Guess guess and guess what If they decide
Speaker 1: to go outside because he's in there clogging it up,
Speaker 1: he is gonna have the go juice to also join
Speaker 1: the party along with Michael Parson's Curse and the rest
Speaker 1: of the cats, which do what am I doing? You
Speaker 1: are putting sprinkles on my ice cream? Okay, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking to him. Damn, I apologize, I'm talking to him down.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to the shot. It's eleven on eleven and
Speaker 1: you got one guy that's taking up three guys. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not good at math, but come on, I'm okay
Speaker 1: signing off. I'm moving up to get him. But this
Speaker 1: defensive in talk, I'm just I'm not on board with it.
Speaker 1: I'm personally not like. I like your thoughts process, but
Speaker 1: I still think you're out of your mind without with
Speaker 1: putting Jordan Davis on basically the number one spot. Well,
Speaker 1: if you do that, though, if you trade it up
Speaker 1: to get a clog guy, the way to go got
Speaker 1: through because you're not getting your guard. You're not getting there.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There's only two people that I'm
Speaker 1: going up to, two positions I'm going up to trade for.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even its JD right, I need big dogs,
Speaker 1: okay off top or I need it. I'm close enough
Speaker 1: right within. If I'm obviously we're sitting at twenty four
Speaker 1: and we're down the say sixteen seventeen, and that guard
Speaker 1: is sitting there, and I'm looking at the other team's
Speaker 1: needs ahead of me, I'm like, you're probably not have
Speaker 1: to drive, You're probably not gonna have to draft the
Speaker 1: guard tight. I'm not. I'mably gonna be what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if there's if there's that guy, if there's that
Speaker 1: guard that you're like, hey, I can't miss on this
Speaker 1: and something, and you're hearing something that he's five six
Speaker 1: picks away, I go secure the bag. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they go secure to back. I know, I know
Speaker 1: it's whole speculation everything we're talking about, but I'd rather
Speaker 1: I'd rather go secure that bag than the hope that
Speaker 1: it falls down to me. Right when you're in that
Speaker 1: position and you have a need, Mister Stephen Jones, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have a need, you go and you see you've
Speaker 1: sealed the deal, and then you worry about the rest
Speaker 1: of it because guess what, there's plenty of other depth
Speaker 1: in this particular into draft. Yeah, I would, I would
Speaker 1: trade back before I would trade up. And that's not
Speaker 1: having a clue what your board is gonna look like,
Speaker 1: what's available, who's affordable to you at that point. But
Speaker 1: I just and maybe I'm just thinking of and you
Speaker 1: guys did that this morning, but what they said about
Speaker 1: if they really feel like third through three through five,
Speaker 1: it's deep. You only have three top one hundred picks
Speaker 1: in this draft. You're gonna give up one to move up,
Speaker 1: and then you only have your I don't know your
Speaker 1: third round pick left, or instead of trading back and
Speaker 1: you can get two threes, you keep your your two
Speaker 1: and now you're if you hit on guys, now, now
Speaker 1: you're building some depth there. Well, that's what I'm talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of hitting him, in terms when you
Speaker 1: know that there's that's your guy, like that's your car, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, you can't miss fourteen or is one of
Speaker 1: the fourteen to sixteen guys he's within grasp, don't freaking
Speaker 1: let it go through your fingers. Okay, don't let him
Speaker 1: be saying close the dog on fingers. Go grab that
Speaker 1: dog on thing and bring them into your or to
Speaker 1: your team because you need him. You need him in
Speaker 1: order for your team to be effective. You know, that's
Speaker 1: your guy. Those those that's the two positions that I'm
Speaker 1: saying in this first round that you go and you
Speaker 1: grab if you're going to make a move like that,
Speaker 1: that doesn't require you going to sealing somebody from an
Speaker 1: existing team. Let's say there's two options only for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: either trade up or trade down. I would put trading
Speaker 1: down as an eighty twenty possibility over the fact of
Speaker 1: maybe trading up after the first round, though I think
Speaker 1: that nearly flipp flips. It'd probably be seventy five twenty
Speaker 1: five to go back up after the first round is over,
Speaker 1: just based off of the things we're hearing and basically
Speaker 1: the needs for the Cowboys and where they could fit
Speaker 1: moving forward. You mean trade back into the first trade up,
Speaker 1: in the second trade up, in the third trade up,
Speaker 1: in the fourth, something like that along the way. I
Speaker 1: think it's more likely they go up in the later rounds,
Speaker 1: but down in the first round. I like what you said, Rob,
Speaker 1: because I think the value add in any draft, especially
Speaker 1: if you can be smart and make those middle of
Speaker 1: the round, middle round picks, is better for you as
Speaker 1: a football team. We've seen the Patriots be able to
Speaker 1: do things like that, and there's continuously doing it. But
Speaker 1: I think the back to what you were saying, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: with the ass rushers, I just think the NFL, those
Speaker 1: are the highlight positions. Who's making the most money the
Speaker 1: ads rushings? Why do they make the most money because
Speaker 1: they are putting pressure on the quarterback. Tj Y. I mean,
Speaker 1: is a guy you could give me twenty sacks and
Speaker 1: you can control the line of scrimmage. Pittsburgh still has
Speaker 1: what it takes core nucleus to make a move. All
Speaker 1: they need now is a quarterback to make that thing go.
Speaker 1: So you know, for us, that's why I tank and Micah.
Speaker 1: You have those edge rushers, the guys that you could
Speaker 1: put out there get after it and if you can
Speaker 1: bring in another guy or you have a guy like
Speaker 1: that already on your team, that bash them armstrong and
Speaker 1: and think about those guys is every last one of
Speaker 1: them are rotational guys. Dan Quinn is bringing these guys
Speaker 1: in and out. And if you have that power, that's
Speaker 1: why the top of this draft you see guys like
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, you see guys like Walker because teams need
Speaker 1: to threaten you by having a pass rush to get
Speaker 1: out of you. So and by the way, you mentioned
Speaker 1: t J. Watt every time. Every year around this time,
Speaker 1: it just feels like it just turns a little no. No,
Speaker 1: you gotta live with that. You gotta slip in that
Speaker 1: bed real quickly, super quickly. Any thought to drafting backup
Speaker 1: quarterback on Day three anywhere? Potentially Kellen Moore was in
Speaker 1: Iowa State, maybe looking at Brock Purdy as like a
Speaker 1: late round guy and he boughts there, feel good with
Speaker 1: will greuse your backup? Cooper Rush as your backup? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all about competition at the quarterback. Okay, that's all
Speaker 1: we need to tell you. All Right, when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give our first round predictions for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna give a bold NFL draft prediction. What's
Speaker 1: going to happen around the league. We'll talk about it
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Speaker 1: I'm talking cowboys. It's time to make some predictions, y'all,
Speaker 1: and I want to start with bold NFL predictions. This
Speaker 1: does not have to do with the Cowboys. It can
Speaker 1: be literally anything else happening in the NFL Draft or
Speaker 1: at least on Draft weekend. It can involve current players,
Speaker 1: involves current picks, involved anything along the way, but not
Speaker 1: Cowboys related. And it's a bold predictions. Something crazy it's
Speaker 1: not a bad thing to think about crazy things. Rob.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with us with that love that quote
Speaker 1: God I'm living by. I'm gonna put it on an
Speaker 1: think differently. I was gonna say, you're about to be stable.
Speaker 1: I got a stable married man. I got another year.
Speaker 1: We're fine. Let's get all right. Is there a date
Speaker 1: that we haven't heard about? You? There is? You want
Speaker 1: to announce it? If I did, I did put a
Speaker 1: date on it, May seventh of twenty twenty three, Big date,
Speaker 1: May seventh, May seventh, Baby. Yeah, all right, Rob, we're
Speaker 1: gonna start with you. Bold predictions on NFL Draft weekend
Speaker 1: for the league, for the league. Okay, we talked about
Speaker 1: trading back. I don't know what the record is, but
Speaker 1: I'll say a let's say five teams trade back in
Speaker 1: the first round because they just don't like the depth
Speaker 1: in the opening round five. There was a reporter around
Speaker 1: that earlier that teams are looking to vacate their draft area, right,
Speaker 1: Pelli sero, Peli sero? So he he report? Did it?
Speaker 1: Do you have any teams that look like they would
Speaker 1: do something like that, like anybody in mind that you
Speaker 1: would think would be totally in for that, not necessarily,
Speaker 1: just maybe just from the perspective of what we talked about.
Speaker 1: The grades, however, well, I will say Cowboys picked twenty four.
Speaker 1: I would venture to say most drafts they don't have
Speaker 1: twenty four first round grades in a given year anyway,
Speaker 1: So um, it doesn't mean they have Oh we got
Speaker 1: a trade up to get a guy, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a possibility, right, Cassability. Let's see, let's let's just get crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's get a bunch of teams trade back, trading back.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have a team that you think would vacate?
Speaker 1: He just threw the whole blew the whole thing out
Speaker 1: of the water. He just came with a whole historical fact.
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking, like, yeah, prediction something simply
Speaker 1: I don't know what the record, the archive, what the
Speaker 1: record is, but I bet I bet that would be
Speaker 1: a record. I just feel like the Jets, because they
Speaker 1: have so many first round picks. I think they have
Speaker 1: three first round picks, that they are the team that
Speaker 1: probably are going to get the most calls and then
Speaker 1: probably the most likely to allow a team to trade up.
Speaker 1: And I think if I'm looking at teams New Orleans
Speaker 1: is a team that's going to try and do get
Speaker 1: a splash pick and it may be a quarterback there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to go up. And that's that's my only that's my or.
Speaker 1: And I guess the second one would be Green Bay
Speaker 1: does something crazy because they gotta get Aaron Rodgerson weapons. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a typical trade up because you got
Speaker 1: to get a quarterback draft, I don't think unless there's
Speaker 1: teams that are just in love with a certain prospect,
Speaker 1: but it's not. It's not the class where five quarterbacks
Speaker 1: to go in the first twelve picks, you know, where
Speaker 1: teams are willing to trade up to do that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what makes this That's what makes this first round
Speaker 1: a little weird, Isaiah. What's your bold prediction of happening
Speaker 1: this weekend? I see multiple star players for teams getting traded. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I see. Um. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we can say particular names or not, but I
Speaker 1: mean you're making a bold prediction. It's not like you
Speaker 1: know anything got you. Okay, So, like like I say,
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, I think I think he gets traded. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be some big names like that
Speaker 1: that get moved around. Guys that are kind of disgruntled
Speaker 1: with their organizations that chances are they're probably not going
Speaker 1: to sign back the following year. I think those guys
Speaker 1: get moved around. Okay, I've got a specific one that's
Speaker 1: kind of right up that alley. Okay, how about Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna love this. Baker Mayfield. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a Seattle Seahawk. By the end of the weekend. Seattle's
Speaker 1: gonna trade their forty first overall pick to Cleveland because
Speaker 1: Cleveland does not have a first round pick, They're gonna
Speaker 1: take their second. Because Seattle picks back to back in
Speaker 1: the second round, they pick forty and forty one, They're
Speaker 1: gonna ship one of those picks to Cleveland for Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield and he will be your quarterback. There's there's a
Speaker 1: great move in I see. I agree. I'm making this
Speaker 1: up as I go. So if there's anything back behind that,
Speaker 1: I think there's a high probably the fact that he
Speaker 1: hasn't gone anywhere yet. Yeah, and they don't have a
Speaker 1: pick that they're gonna use on a quarterback either, So
Speaker 1: that's why I chose. Yeah, there's a high problem. That's
Speaker 1: my bold prediction that he's gonna be You heard something,
Speaker 1: Can I confirm nordction? Oh wait, I'm on this. Let's go.
Speaker 1: The rumors are happening already. And you know what. I
Speaker 1: feel bad for Baker, I really do. I don't like
Speaker 1: the way that Baker got done. I mean, they gave
Speaker 1: they gave Deshaun Watson a twenty three million, two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty six million dollars guaranteed contract. But I understand
Speaker 1: on the roster, I understand the thoughts process of Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson over Baker Mayfield. But they did kind of do
Speaker 1: Baker dirty in the fact that he took them to
Speaker 1: a playoff appearance for the first time and god knows
Speaker 1: alcohol business man, and then they immediately turned on him.
Speaker 1: He had injuries. They put him out there injured all
Speaker 1: year long. He played through it, tough through it, and
Speaker 1: then he's just I know, but here you laughed at him.
Speaker 1: They don't back in. Heck up, they don't feel bad
Speaker 1: for Baker too. You're on the team, you're asking for
Speaker 1: a contract, and then something happened where another guy comes
Speaker 1: free and you signed him for a guaranteed contract. Why
Speaker 1: you're still on the roster. First of all, the speculation
Speaker 1: took place. Second of all, they said oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Once once Watson said that he wasn't going there anymore,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh you're come on back guy, Oh
Speaker 1: he's available. All yeah, get going gone, get gonna get
Speaker 1: and welcome to the NFL. Now that's cold. I ain't
Speaker 1: no matter how you look at all the fans out
Speaker 1: there there are wondering why guys are trying to get
Speaker 1: their guaranteed money. Boom boom, there you go. I'm back.
Speaker 1: I won't Baker to get some get back, but he will.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that guaranteed portion. Boy. I was like, god,
Speaker 1: t th Wow, that's that's interesting man. All right, what's
Speaker 1: your bold prediction? Heck I made it? What was I
Speaker 1: wasn't move up? I said, Green Bay get to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I thought you were just kind of
Speaker 1: adding on. No, that's I think that's a bold as
Speaker 1: bold as you can get. Is moving up. Seattle's moving up.
Speaker 1: I think New Orleans would move up with the Jets
Speaker 1: to try and secure a quarterback. I think that's what
Speaker 1: they're in, which quarterback for some reason. I think they
Speaker 1: like Kenny Pickens pick it from Pittsburgh. But it wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me if they got Malik Willis. It really wouldn't.
Speaker 1: And teams he's he's I wouldn't call him a Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day guy, all right, I'm not calling him that. No.
Speaker 1: We knew about him when we called the little about
Speaker 1: the number one quarterback on the board at that point,
Speaker 1: and we were like, all right, cool, like the old
Speaker 1: miss quarterback. There's just a lot of quarterbacks that I think,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're saying that these guys are
Speaker 1: a big deal and I just don't feel that way.
Speaker 1: And this team start to get desperate, a move will
Speaker 1: be made, and I just I just feel like that's
Speaker 1: going to happen on Draft Day. Yeah, Okay, Now it's
Speaker 1: prediction time for the Dallas Cowboys. You are the GM,
Speaker 1: you are making the pick. You're making the call. What
Speaker 1: are the Cowboys going to do on Night one? At
Speaker 1: the twenty fourth overall pick. We'll start with Isaiah on
Speaker 1: this one since we started with rob Blast and I'm
Speaker 1: off for you. Nobody does. That's what's fun. It's fun
Speaker 1: about it making prediction. Who you got Cowboys with the
Speaker 1: twenty fourth overall picks selects. M hm, select, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's the guard I was talking about the a
Speaker 1: un boy Kenyon. There you go, Kenyan, Texas, take care
Speaker 1: of a need. You're gonna plant the story today, planting it.
Speaker 1: But hey, are you moving up or staying put? Or
Speaker 1: moving down? Or I think you're staying put? Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm planting the story. Planting the story. Jordan Davis falls
Speaker 1: no off the table man. He's just a two down player.
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's got a lot of gator ate.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of sadium, right, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: plant the story. Sorry, Now he's he's a really good player,
Speaker 1: but hey, he's just not that good of a player
Speaker 1: to go on the top pick. I think he's undraftable
Speaker 1: in the top twenty three. That's that's what my thought.
Speaker 1: I undraftable in the top twenty three picks. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's about it. Yeah, hitching his GIDEO goal with it?
Speaker 1: All Right, So your prediction is Jordan Davis. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Isaiah. I think it's Kenyon Green out of Texas,
Speaker 1: A and m Offensive Lineman. You get your guard, plug
Speaker 1: and play. He's gonna put you forward and he's gonna
Speaker 1: help out Dak Prescott, especially on the web site of
Speaker 1: the Linus Crimmage. I mean that was my pick two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Gig him, you know, and because it's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, Rob like this, but I also like and
Speaker 1: I don't know if he really projects as a potential
Speaker 1: starting tackle in the NFL, more of a guard, but
Speaker 1: he did play it. I like the position flex to
Speaker 1: where if you were in a bind, maybe he could
Speaker 1: play that position as well. And I'll just say they
Speaker 1: stay put very well. Could move back or up, I guess,
Speaker 1: but they have not moved back since Travis Frederick I
Speaker 1: believe in twenty thirteen, and they haven't moved up since
Speaker 1: like Mo Clayborne in twenty twelve. Usually they sit and pick.
Speaker 1: Now maybe this is well. They moved back last year technically, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're right, they did take a couple of spots, but um,
Speaker 1: this is a weird This is a weird first round,
Speaker 1: so so maybe there's going to be more movement this year.
Speaker 1: A question, who's your pick? Real quick? Sorry, Kenny green Ken, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: A question for you, what's the one pick that you
Speaker 1: guys think Dallas could make What position do you think
Speaker 1: that Dallas would take that will make you throw your
Speaker 1: your clipboard and your pencil across the room if they
Speaker 1: did it, if you're mad. Did you just just in
Speaker 1: the first round, Yeah, Bernard Ryman out of Central Michigan
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. I like Bernard Ryman kind project player, right
Speaker 1: because he hadn't played a lot of football, and he
Speaker 1: won't play immediately either. It's kind of what Heckmo was
Speaker 1: talking about until Tyrn gets hurt at some point throughout
Speaker 1: the season, which is very likely, then he would play
Speaker 1: just just position. You say, so, offensive tackle, you would
Speaker 1: throw your clipboard across the room. No, I thought you
Speaker 1: were saying specifically. No, No, just justsition position. Oh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say wide receiver, I would throw. I would
Speaker 1: run out the window. Really, I'm out there because because
Speaker 1: you know, because it's deep. Because that's that's one thing
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy allowed, is that this is a deep wide receiver. Driver.
Speaker 1: You can wait potentially for that pack. You can you
Speaker 1: can get a starter wide receiver in the first round
Speaker 1: or the second round. You can say the same thing
Speaker 1: for guard two though. So I'm not necessarily there. So
Speaker 1: Dallas took a receiver at twenty four, you're not pissed, no, wow,
Speaker 1: because because they have not finished addressing that position. I
Speaker 1: don't think. Yeah, I agree, it's still a wide open need.
Speaker 1: I'm not as crazy as taking a QB or something, right,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the offensive tackle we would be law.
Speaker 1: Linebacker would be lower. I'm okay with a linebacker, especially
Speaker 1: if it's Dean or Lloyd. Those are both really really
Speaker 1: good players. I'm on the other side with this. With
Speaker 1: these wide receivers, man, I just don't think that a
Speaker 1: lot of did a few of them that can come
Speaker 1: in and play. The Burke kid from Arkansas I think
Speaker 1: is going to be phenomenal. But after that, the Alabama
Speaker 1: guy that has the ACL, I think it's a Williams.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be phenomenal. But every other
Speaker 1: all the rest of those guys are project guys, Valentine'sday guys.
Speaker 1: To me, That's just how I feel about them. I
Speaker 1: think they've had some numbers. I just don't they don't
Speaker 1: have the dogs that I'm used to saying, like, hey
Speaker 1: this the CD Lambs, the kind of guys that you're like,
Speaker 1: oh oh, he put the tape out there. We know
Speaker 1: what he can do. I just don't see any of
Speaker 1: those guys in this draft. I think there's five of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're saying position, throw your clipboard within reason, like they're
Speaker 1: not gonna take a QB and I gonna take a
Speaker 1: kicker throwing my footboard across the room. But they dropped
Speaker 1: the receiver from the first round. I'm livid. I would
Speaker 1: be livid. Oh, I can't wait till they picked. But but,
Speaker 1: but but you you hated more than anybody, you hate
Speaker 1: more than anybody on this show. You hated that Amari's
Speaker 1: not here and feel like they haven't really addressed it.
Speaker 1: So I know you don't feel like they're good there. No,
Speaker 1: So it's first round pick. Yeah, first round pick. Though
Speaker 1: on a receiver with all the knees that you have,
Speaker 1: it's a lot I'm living. But it's a top it's
Speaker 1: a top two need right, No, arguably, no, not not
Speaker 1: that early. You can when you do it, you can
Speaker 1: put a tick on that tell in the first round.
Speaker 1: You can have it. You have all the skilled position
Speaker 1: you want to. But if you can't move the dog
Speaker 1: on the ball, I agree, I still want off the
Speaker 1: same same boat on you better secure the upfront. I'm
Speaker 1: keeping notes on this one. Just wait till next week
Speaker 1: because he's gonna switch this up. Chris Waba is gonna
Speaker 1: be across the hall and Isaiah's gonna be like, man,
Speaker 1: he's a faller because you all about wide open offense
Speaker 1: and that you're talking about we miss any there's five
Speaker 1: there's five guys that don't sub out the game. Indeed,
Speaker 1: Corner and the right guy? Are we running in the
Speaker 1: Star for college? He not? He not? No more? Who? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Come on? Who would I run for? Come on? Um?
Speaker 1: Probably Trayvon Walker, But I don't. I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1: So if they get David, I'm running to the Star
Speaker 1: from my house, I'll say it's on that. Chris said,
Speaker 1: there is, That's it there, it is. It's all we needed.
Speaker 1: By the way, Chris, you you do as much draft
Speaker 1: research as anybody else in this room too. Who is
Speaker 1: your prediction for the Cowboys? What? Um? You know? I
Speaker 1: ain't messing with that. I'm gonna take the guard, sorry,
Speaker 1: can you or Zion? It's just it's like quarter, It's
Speaker 1: the It's the most obvious thing they haven't done that's
Speaker 1: why it's not gonna happen because your Davis here. I
Speaker 1: think I think Green can ultimately help he can't. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Yeah? Yes, I agree. Like if you
Speaker 1: whatever you see and be honest, you're like, oh man,
Speaker 1: we need to get a center. I think he could
Speaker 1: help that America. You just gotta Does that make sense
Speaker 1: from Chris Bean? Yes, Oh, next week we're gonna have
Speaker 1: either Jordan Davis and a very fit Isaiah, or we're
Speaker 1: gonna have Chris Olave and a very upset Isaiah, or
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a very happy Isaiah. We'll figure
Speaker 1: it out next week Tuesday, NA or No. Eleven am
Speaker 1: Central Time, as we're back at the normal slot. But
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