1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wire to Hunts rut Fresh Radio, bringing you 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: the latest reports from the White Tailed Woods and now 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: your host, Spencer new Hearth. This is Wire to Haunt 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: swat Fresh Radio powered by First Light. I am your host, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth, and this week we're talking about beating 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: the October law. Welcome to Wire to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio. 7 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: This is episode four hundred sixty three. I'm your host, 8 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth, and I am joined by Mark Kenyon. Now, Mark, 9 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: last time we talked, Um, you talked about how you 10 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: were excited for opening day and how this opening day 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: was going to be different because the next time we 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: would record, you'd have a great story to tell us 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: about the big buck that you killed. Did that happen? Well, 14 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: I want to I want to qualify what you just said. 15 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: I told you that I'm hoping I will have a 16 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: different kind of story in which I killed a big buck. 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: But as things often go, I'll have a close call 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: or something thing, and uh, it went kind of like 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: what I called, which is that I actually had a 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: good encounter sort of and uh, I just wasn't able 21 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: to get him killed. So the the high level cliff 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: notes of The story was that I went out. I 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: had a plan for the first night, and actually got 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: a cell phone camera picture mid day that actually changed 25 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: my plan a little bit. Um, because the buck I'm 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: after is this this fuck that I've been calling rookie 27 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 1: of the year. I saw him last year, A bunch 28 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: passed on him, a bunch and he was like this 29 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: really great up and comer that I noticed last year, 30 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: and so this year he he grew into what I 31 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: hoped he would. And he's been showing up quite a 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: bit in daylight. I got out of him, seen them 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: from the hillside, glassing out there. I've gotten quite a 34 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: few daylight pictures. Um. But he disappeared for the last week, 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: and then the night before the opener, I got a 36 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: daylight photo of him on one of my cameras about 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: a hundred yards are so away from where I was 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: planning on hunting on opening night. Um, so not far away, 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: but just another just a little ways over and deeper 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: into the cover. So because of that, I thought, Okay, 41 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: he probably got pressured a little bit by you know, 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: someone coming out last weekend that stuff up or just whatever. 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: He just shifted patters a little bit. So waiting and 44 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: not coming out to these food plots until after dark. 45 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: But he showed up in daylight and the other spot 46 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: so I don't have anything set up there, so I 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: snuck in there with a saddle and got all set 48 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: and ended up seeing a lot of deer, a lot 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: of activity that opening night October one. On a one 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: to ten scale spencer, I would give it like a 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: six and a half to a seven maybe. UM. I 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: think I saw ten bucks um, just as many, probably 53 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: more does um. And the short version of what happened 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: was that a lot of deer come out, A lot 55 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: of deer came feeding and passing by me, and all 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: was really good until the last like half hour daylight, 57 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: maybe four to seven minutes of daylight, and the wind 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: settled down and just got completely still. And I think 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: that I just had that when pool just dropped right 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: beneath me. Pooled, and I had so many deer around me. 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: There was deer that were feeding right beneath me, and 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: they eventually got my way into the dose boots. She 63 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: ran off and just kept blowing and blowing and blowing 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: and blowing and blowing and would not stop. So I'm thinking, well, 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: there's a hunt. Um, there's no way that rookie's gonna 66 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: come out but low and the whole. Like ten minutes later, 67 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: here he comes. And he stepped out from across the 68 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: creek about a hundred and fifty yards away with another 69 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: really nice buck, this short nine pointer that I saw 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: a lot passed on last year, who actually looks a 71 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: lot better now this year than I realized. They both 72 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: come walking out. They come out of the timber on 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: the cover stop on the edge of the great kind 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: of air in my direction where that doe was blowing. Um. 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, any second out there in a 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: boat and run back the way they came. But they didn't. 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: They just stood there and watched for a while, and 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: then they said, and they kept walking down the creek 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: towards where my food plot was and where I would 80 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: have been hunting if I hadn't got the daylight picture 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: of him. Um. And so they walked out that way 82 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: and eventually got out of my side. I don't think 83 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: that they made it into the food plot until after dark. 84 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: Looks like they hung up on the edge and the cover. Um. 85 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: But I thought where they came out of. So the 86 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: next day I thought, okay, I'm gonna slip in there 87 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: in the afternoon and hang a new set where those 88 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: deer came in. But I was able to. I couldn't 89 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: hunt the morning, but I could the last in the morning. 90 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: But glass that air in the morning and watched them 91 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: go right back in that way. But I thought, lam 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: dunk tonight, i'mnna slip in. There was gonna be storming, 93 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: hang a new set deep in that stuff right where 94 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: coming out. That's what I ended up doing. It was 95 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: pouring rain, snuck in there of a long ways around. 96 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: Everything was perfect, made sure the wind it was right, 97 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: stay away, far away from where I thought. These deer 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: betting flipped in their stilken wet got a battle set 99 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: up in the tree right word. They passed by both 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: the night before and that morning going back to bed, 101 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: and uh they didn't show. A bunch of deer came through, 102 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: but the big boys didn't show, and uh, you know, 103 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: it was fun. I had some some good sightings. They 104 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: were there. I was in the game, but I didn't 105 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: quite come together. And that was that was all the 106 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: time I had because I had ticked off for for 107 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: my next trip here. So that was my story. It's 108 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: not as good as I know you wished it would 109 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: be Spencer, but but hey, you know it's I think 110 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: when you've got the opportunity to get eyes on the 111 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: target buck, that's a good hunt. And uh, that's that 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: was exciting. Yeah, I I didn't know there were ten 113 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: bucks in Michigan. You said you saw ten bucks on 114 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: the first evening. Um, yeah, well, what do you credit 115 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: like the great movement too? It sounds like there was 116 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: a lot of buck activity. Maybe not within twenty yards 117 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: of your tree stand or your saddle, but it sounds 118 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: like the bucks were up and on their feet. Why 119 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: do you think that was? It was like that opening 120 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: weekend mentality we talked about last week, where uh, these 121 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: deer were just largely unpressured. That's the biggest thing I think, 122 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 1: I really do think. I mean, there's nothing really special 123 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: about it. There wasn't any kind of conditions. It was warm, 124 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: it was mid seventies. Um. You know, there was a 125 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: big rainfront coming through the next day, like maybe even 126 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: that night. It was just to start raining. Um, So 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: there was a big precipitation week ahead. So maybe there 128 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: was some kind of pre storm system sugar to feed possibly, Um, 129 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: But it was just unpressured deer. It was the biggest thing. 130 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: Those deer were moving around. They're very comfortable. I had 131 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: not been done to this property, done anything, you know, 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: since basically the beginning of September, so had been untouched 133 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 1: for a month. And even before that, I really hadn't 134 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: gone back into any of the cover anything excepted to 135 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: do that little bit of food plus stuff at the 136 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: very front for two months. Um. And these deer, I 137 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: think we're just fat, happy and fasty and hadn't been 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: bothered in a while, and so they were. So that night, 139 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: those deer were active and unconcerned. And then you know, 140 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: day two not as much. So they react quickly after 141 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: that incident, um, Which is why I like that first night, 142 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: because you get those special chances and just wasn't quite closeness. 143 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: On that note, we're approaching a period that haunters referred 144 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: to as the October law, which roughly lasts about the 145 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: next two weeks, and as we've discussed before, there are 146 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: a lot of misconceptions about white tailed buck behavior this 147 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: time of year. What are some of the things mark 148 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: that hunters should consider when getting in the woods anytime 149 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: between roughly now and October. All right. So we've done 150 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: this many years now, so I've I think I've gotten 151 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: a pretty good, short and sweet explanation of my take 152 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: on the October law. I'll try to even do it 153 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: more tight and efficiently, and you can grade me when 154 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: i'm done. All right, I'm in the basic gist here, right. 155 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: Everyone says that October law of the time pier deer 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: don't move. They're not gonna move during daylight. It's either 157 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: not worth hunting or it's gonna be lousy hunting. Blah 158 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: blah blah. And the interesting thing, though, is that while 159 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: so many hunters say that's the case, the science is 160 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: not backed that up. We've talked to folks like Matt 161 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: Ross or Lindsay Thomas Jr. From the NDA, and they 162 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: frequently cite studies the show that actually deer activity about 163 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: activity in particular, actually steadily rises throughout the entire month 164 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: of October. So what gives what's going on here? Why 165 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: does it disconnect? The biggest thing I think is that 166 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: there is a perceived lull. Hunters do experience a lull, 167 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: but it's not because deer on moving. It's this deer 168 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: moving differently, and we many hunters are not reacting to 169 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: those changes. So once October sets it, what's changing. Well, 170 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: Number one, this whole thing was hunting pressure. I just 171 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: talked about where the deer were comfortable before hunting season, 172 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: and now that by the second day they shifted. Well, 173 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: that's a real thing. Deer are reacting to hunters in 174 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the woods. So by the time we get to mid October, 175 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: there have been hunters out in the woods bothering these 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: deer for several weeks, if not more than that, depending 177 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: on where you are. So right there, that's changing dear behavior. 178 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: But how many people do you know. Let's be honest, 179 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: we all know somebody like this who hunts the same 180 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: place until one it's hun the same place the weekend 181 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: of the seventh, eight on the same place, the fifteenth 182 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: to the sixteen, on the same place, the nineteenth and 183 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: the twenty, and they wonder why they don't see any deer. Well, 184 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: there's a simple answer that. So you've got that you've 185 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: got changing food sources, right, corns drying down, crops are 186 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: coming out, eight corns are hitting the ground, deer changing 187 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: their feeding behavior. Then you have cover changing, You've got 188 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: leaves following, you've got grasses, you know, getting tamps down, 189 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: drying out, different things like that. So in general, the 190 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: habitats changing and dear behaviors changing, both because of hunting 191 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: pressure and because of all the other natural things that 192 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: are changing in the deer. So all that makes for 193 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: different movement patterns, moving at different times, going different places. 194 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: If we as hunters aren't able to adjust to that, 195 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: and we try to keep doing the same while sam 196 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: wile thing, then yeah, you're gonna see the law. So 197 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: my take from hunting perspective is that if you know 198 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: how to make those adjustments, if you have places where 199 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: you can get in there tighter to cover where those 200 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: deer spending the daylight hours, now, keep on after it. 201 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: On the flip side, if you don't know those spots yet, 202 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: if you don't have a good handle on how these 203 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: deer reacting to hunting pressure, and you have got one 204 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: little spot to hunt, and you know that if you 205 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: hunt it too much is gonna get messed up, then 206 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: maybe this is a time to slow down a little bit, 207 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: go hunt some public land elsewhere, and wait till the 208 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,599 Speaker 1: rut come back to your little spot when there'll be 209 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: a little bit more forgiving, and the behaviors will change 210 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: in another way because it's advantageous two hunters who maybe 211 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: don't know the specific you know, betting areas and whatnot 212 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: as much. UM. So that's that's a high level take 213 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: on the reality of the October Law and how we 214 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: experience it. UM that cover right, do I get a 215 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: decent grade? Passed A plus? That that was great UM 216 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: And in a big theme of what you talked about 217 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: was the changing food sources, and that's something that you're 218 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: gonna hear all of our interviews UM covered this week 219 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: being Bomartonic in Pennsylvania from East Meat to West Hunt, 220 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: and then Jordan Couch and Tennessee from White Tail Properties. 221 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Then we talked to Doug Durn in Wisconsin, and then 222 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: we end with Caleb Combs in Oklahoma from Stewart Ranch Outfitters. 223 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: And you're gonna hear all those folks talk about some 224 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: of the same themes that you just covered. And then finally, 225 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: if you don't want the October Law to be the 226 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: October Law and you need to hunt differently, is Mark 227 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: just discussed. We have some reading material that will help 228 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: you get UH in the right setups for the right 229 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: time of year. Some of those articles are how to 230 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: make a horizontal rub that you, Mark wrote and as 231 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: you wrote in the article, Mark, early October is a 232 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: perfect time to create and hunt a horizontal rub. And 233 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: then we have three places to kill a buck during 234 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: the October Law by Alex Gilstrom. Alex talks about the 235 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: three setups that are ideal for punching a tag during 236 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: the first three weeks of October. And then we have 237 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: how to deer Haunted staging Area by Tony Peterson. Tony 238 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: discusses how to identify a staging area and why they're 239 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: so valuable for white tail hunters this time of year. 240 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: And then finally, how to kill a buck in October 241 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: by you again, Mark. Mark Ley is out of game 242 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: plan for getting it done during an intimidating part of 243 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: the season and goes over strategies for hunting early October, 244 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: mid October, and late October. Sounds like a hell of 245 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: a slave spencer. Alright, Mark, I'm looking forward to hearing 246 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: your deer report next week because you are on a 247 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: cell phone, which means you're out in the field doing 248 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: something really fun and we can discuss more on the 249 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: next episode. I will talk to you then, Yeah, man, 250 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: I'll have a report from Washington freaking d C. Looking 251 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: forward to different alright, and joining us on the line 252 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: first is Bou Martinic from East meets West in Pennsylvania, 253 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: now bowin Pennsylvania. What would you say the bucket he's 254 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: been lately on a scale of one to ten, I'd 255 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: say the book activity lately has been about an eight 256 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: in the mornings, and I'd say about a six or 257 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: seven in the evenings. It's been really cold temperatures in 258 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: the mornings, which has helped with the movement. In the evenings, 259 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: it's been getting pretty hot, almost unseasonably warm weather. That 260 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: slowed down a little bit, but with low amount of 261 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: hunting pressure with the season just opening on Saturday, it 262 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: was still decent movement. Now, you just killed a giant 263 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: this opening weekend. Tell us about that set up, why 264 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: you were in that area, why that buck was in 265 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: that area, and what went endo scouting for that deer. Yeah. So, 266 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I I had known about this deer for a couple 267 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: of years and had his sheds and had a lot 268 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: of intel on them, probably more than any other deer 269 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: that I was hunting. And what happened was I noticed 270 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: that a patterns this buck moving on a particular trail 271 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: on a southwest wind which we had for opening mornings, 272 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: and with the temperatures being right around forty degrees at 273 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: first light, I thought it'd be a good time to 274 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: move in on it. And how I moved in with 275 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: the setup was it was actually a crick bottom set up, 276 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: and he was coming from a new logging cut heading 277 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: back to bed with that southwest wind in his face. 278 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: But if I sat in a tree, which I did, 279 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: right on the creek bank, the thermals would pull my 280 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: wind down the creek. So even though on the ground 281 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: just ten feet in front of my tree, that southwest 282 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: wind was going in the face of the deer, he 283 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: could not snow me up in the tree at that 284 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: particular spot. So it was kind of a bulletproof set 285 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,239 Speaker 1: up from that standpoint. So I decided to get aggressive 286 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: and get in there close to bedding in that bottom 287 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: there before he went up to bed. And he came 288 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: in actually quite a bit after first light. It was 289 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: eight am when he came in on the trail. Um 290 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: gave in front of me a fourteen yards. Now, how 291 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: much scouting went into this October second opener? Were you 292 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: doing scouting in September and all some was this something 293 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: that you just put together because of historical patterns. So 294 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things. I did put a lot 295 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: of time in the summer and particularly in September trying 296 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: to figure out what the best food source is gonna be. 297 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: And the area had not very many oak trees, and 298 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: the ones that had them didn't have acorns. I wasn't 299 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: finding any apple trees that had a lot of apples 300 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: on it, so it was hard to find that dominant 301 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: food source. And what ended up being was a fresh 302 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: logging cut was seen to be through using the most 303 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: and in my setup, actually I had a beech tree 304 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of these hemlocks that was dropping beech 305 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: nuts and the deer were feeding on them. So I've 306 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: had a camera there all summer on that trail and 307 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: was kind of seeing their patterns a little bit, but 308 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: mostly I used data from the late season of last 309 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: year where this buck used this trail going to feed 310 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: in that logging cut and coming out and going back 311 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: to bed. So I used that data knowing that and 312 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: and the big was a lot of the time their 313 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: early season in late season habits are very similar, especially 314 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: when there's not any oaks and there's not any apples, 315 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: So going by that, that's when I made the decision 316 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: to move in. You said that morning movement has been 317 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: superior to evening movement as of late. Is that something 318 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: that you traditionally experience in mid to early October in Pennsylvania? Not? Normally. 319 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: It all depends on the weather. For that, I noticed. 320 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: Normally in in early October, the first few days of 321 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: the season, before you start getting some hunting pressure and 322 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: things start to change a little bit, you might be 323 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: able to get some daylight movement in the mornings, but 324 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: normally that's associated with the cold front. Other times, if 325 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: it's relatively warmer, not getting down at night, then they're 326 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: going back to bed at least an hour before it's 327 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: even daylight, so it's a lot harder in the mornings 328 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: at that time. Normally evenings are superior. But for these circumstances, 329 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: the morning seemed to have been better. Just from my 330 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: own experience and then from my troop. What are you 331 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: seeing for signmaking right now? Scrapes are starting to pop up. 332 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: He got some rubs, but nothing, nothing too aggressive. They've 333 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: been working in the licking branches a lot more than 334 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: actually palling up the ground on the scrapes, So there's 335 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: a decent amount of that still going on, but uh, 336 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: they're just starting to kinda pawp the ground a little bit. 337 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: Mostly on the community scrapes are the ones that are 338 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: um more of the annual ones. How is hunting signmaking 339 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: different in the big words versus maybe more traditional white 340 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: tail landscapes in the Midwest. I think in the big woods, 341 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: especially in the low deer density areas, they tend to 342 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: make a lot of signs, And I think that's because 343 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: there's there's a good buck to doe ratio, so they're 344 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: trying to show their dominance, and and they're at least 345 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: in the areas that that I've hunted, they seem to 346 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: be leaving a lot more signs. So it's important to 347 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: focus on what sign is actually important rather than just 348 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: the clutter of sign that you see. There will be 349 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: a lot of scrapes and a lot of rubs, but 350 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: there's ones in particular that are there are more important. Others. 351 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: You said how food sources were important for killing this book. 352 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: What are a lot of the natural food sources that 353 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: you're focused on in the month of October in the 354 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: big woods. Acorns would be number one if they're in 355 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: the area and um, actually it's probably a tie for 356 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: Number one would be apple. If you can find a 357 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: remote apple tree that another hunter has its found already 358 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's you know, one of the only food 359 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: sources in the area, that's a big sign. The third 360 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: option would be logging cuts and particularly fresh ones that 361 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of greenery still, um, a lot of 362 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: new growth that's coming up. Those are the three big 363 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: ones that I'm that I'm focusing on focusing on outside 364 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: of brows and beech nuts and things along those lines 365 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: going forward than in sex week or so. What do 366 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: you think that bucket activity is going to be on 367 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten in Pennsylvania. I don't think. 368 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be that great. I think 369 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: it's gonna be about a five. I mean it's still 370 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: maybe even a six. It's it's a little bit better 371 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: since hunting season has just come in and hasn't been 372 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: a ton of pressure yet. But at the same time, 373 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: there is a decent amount of people in the woods 374 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: now starting to stir things up. Food sources they're changing 375 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: depending on how the acorns are dropping, so it might 376 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: be a little bit more difficult as we get into, 377 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: you know, the end of the first week and second 378 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: week of October. Alright, Bow, congrats again on the great buck. 379 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: If you want to read more of Bo's content, he 380 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: writes very often for Wired hunt, Uh, specifically for deer 381 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: hunters in the Big Woods. Thanks again, Bo, and good 382 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: luck with the rest of your season. Thanks Spencer, all 383 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: right and joining us on the line. Next is Jordan's 384 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: couch from White Tail Properties in Tennessee. Jordan in Tennessee, 385 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been lately 386 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten. On a scale 387 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: of one to ten, I've got to say it's probably 388 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: a three or four reason thing is uh. The signmaking 389 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: I've seen has been very little of it. I've seen 390 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: a small rub here, there um no scrapes yet, So 391 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: it's just it's been really slow so far. Historically in Tennessee, 392 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: when do you usually see signmaking pick up? Mid October 393 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: is usually when I see a lot of rubs and 394 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: a lot of scrapes start popping up. I feel like 395 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: our absolute best time to hunt in Tennessee is probably 396 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: the second week in November, which is our muzzleloader season, 397 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: and uh, that's when I've seen my biggest and the 398 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: most bucks. What food sources are you focused on this 399 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: time of year in Tennessee? So this time of year, 400 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: I've seen, um, some white oaks, some chestnut oak um, 401 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: but it's not like a crazy high amount. The pre 402 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: cemetriies in my area are loaded this year, though I 403 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: have noticed a lot of that. So UM, a couple 404 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: of times I've gone out this year just looking for 405 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: a dough, I've I've sat on for cemeteries and I've 406 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: seen those each sit in Tennessee. What does a good 407 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: cold front look like for you guys? This month? A 408 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: good cold front right now? Um? Well, I was looking 409 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: at the weather this week. It's we're gonna have showers 410 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: basically all week long, but the temperatures are gonna stay 411 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: high seventies, low eighties into this weekend, which is unfortunate. Um. 412 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: Talking to a buddy last night, Um, he was fortunate 413 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: and wants to capitalize on a on a good buck 414 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: last night right after some rain had pushed through. So 415 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: this time of year, I really think it's just all 416 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: it's on the weather, Like, watch your fronts if you 417 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: can get ahead of it or hunt right behind it. 418 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: I think that's when your best chance of capitalizing on 419 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: the buck is gonna be. Are you doing any morning 420 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: setups in early to mid October? Early to mid October, 421 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: I do not hunt mornings. I typically only hunt evenings. 422 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: And that's just because I want to save my best 423 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: sits for when I know the bucks are gonna be 424 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: more active. And that's that late October early November time 425 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: frame for us. And where are you running your trail 426 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: cameras right now? Traill cameras right now? I love uh 427 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: cemetery just because I want to see what's around and 428 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: I get a lot of Cody's. Interestingly enough on per sentons, 429 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: I must really like them. But um that and water 430 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: sources because some of the properties I have I don't 431 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of water on them, so I'd just 432 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: like to see what comes to get a drink. So 433 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: you mentioned hunting water. Is that something that's a factor 434 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: for you all all along? Or is that mostly for 435 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: hunting October? Mostly October? And this year has been kind 436 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: of dry with just now started getting some rain, but 437 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: it's it's been dry the last couple of weeks in 438 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: Neast Tennessee. So That's why I think that these rains 439 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: that are coming up. I think of guys are out 440 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: there um hunting their fronts then, you know, and keeping 441 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: the wind in their favorite courts and picking the right stand. 442 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a good time to capitalize 443 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: early season going forward. Then in this next week or so, 444 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: what do you think that bucket TV is going to 445 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: be on a scale of one to ten in Tennessee 446 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: unless we got a wicked cold front. I'm gonna say 447 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna stay that the four. Um. It's just 448 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't feel like our bucks are super just this 449 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: part of the year unless you got some killer food sources, 450 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: if you got some good plots or something like that, 451 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: and you might have a good a good chance of 452 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: getting a bug. But if you're hunting the hard woods, 453 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tough until that road kicks in. 454 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: Are Jordan, good luck with the rest of your season, 455 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: and thanks for joining me. Thank you Spencer for you 456 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: as well, all right and joining us on the line. 457 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: Next is Doug during in Wisconsin. Now, Doug in Wisconsin, 458 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been lately 459 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten? Well, I would 460 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: say it's increasing, and I would say on a scale 461 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: one to ten, a four to a five, um up 462 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: from a one to a two two weeks ago. But 463 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: in the last two weeks or just definitely been an 464 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: uptick in activity. Now I know you recently had some 465 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: deer hunters on the farm. Give me a synopsis of 466 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: what they were seeing this weekend. Um. Well, uh, one 467 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: guy took a nice though. He was on the edge 468 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: of a uh C RP and cornfield in a fence row. 469 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: But the deer activity was really in the woods. Um, 470 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: acorns are coming down. One of my other friends who 471 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: was hunting, uh, said that he went up in this 472 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: oak flat we call it, and he said, I felt 473 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: like he needed a hard helmet on the way that 474 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: acorns were coming down and the deer were coming into him. Now, 475 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: how long do acorns stay relevant for you on the 476 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: farm in Wisconsin? Well, I think part of what happens 477 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: is they really they like them early and then they're 478 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: there for a long You know, they're there for a 479 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: long time, and of course we like to think that 480 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: we were going to get some oak regeneration. Some of 481 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: them are left as well. Um, but they will they'll 482 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: move off of those. As the temperature sort of uh 483 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, get colder, they'll get down in there. As 484 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: the corn gets picked and there's corn stubble, they'll work that, 485 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 1: and and soybeans and um. So all of those changes 486 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: are happening at this time the year, just like it 487 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: seems like they do every year. But um, it's been real. 488 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: It's We've had a really nice fall weatherwise. Um, maybe 489 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: a little too warm, which is a part of the 490 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: might be a part of the problem in the deer 491 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: not pranking up that much. But I think for the 492 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: first week of October, we're seeing some really nice, uh 493 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: broad activity. Besides acorn, what are some other natural food 494 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: sources that should be relevant for deer hunters in that 495 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: part of the state. Well, um, there's a lot of 496 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: brows um in the woods. Um we have uh you 497 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: know by burnhams and and uh, thimbleberries and and there's 498 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: a whole manner of stuff, and of course the blackberries 499 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: and raspberries. But there's there's plenty of brows in the 500 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: in the woods um and then field edges um you 501 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: know like on our place, our whole farmers in CRP, 502 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: and there's nothing really special plants in our edges. But um, 503 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: those edges because we keep them. We we mowed two 504 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: or three times a year, and that's that fresh green 505 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: all the time. So you know, may not be a 506 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: native source, but we've got some warm season, the cool 507 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: season grasses in there along with you know, there's gonna 508 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: be clover and that sort of thing. So those edges, 509 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: those edges foods as well. Following the harvest, if corn 510 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: and beans in the area, what sort of shift do 511 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: you see in dear behavior and deer movement? It's interesting, 512 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, you don't know how many uh, deer are 513 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: in a corn field until it's picked, right, you can't 514 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: see you can't see them out there. We see once 515 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: the leagues come off of the beans around here, then 516 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: you don't see the deer in them as much for 517 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: quite a while. And they seem to return to them 518 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: as the temperatures go down there out there, they forage 519 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: on those leaves. Uh, you know, much of the summer 520 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: in the early fall. But now our our beans are 521 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: drying down. Um, and then we see more deer in 522 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: picked corn fields than we do in standing corn but 523 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: or that's because the cord has gone right. What are 524 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: you seeing for signmaking right now. That's pretty cool. That's 525 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: that's pretty interesting. We're seeing um, just for my trail cameras, 526 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: I'm seeing um bucks starting to spend some time at 527 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: those licking branches that they traditionally have used. UM we 528 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: have on a lot of field edges. We have pin oaks. 529 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: It's a red oak slash black oak, and a lot 530 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: of low hanging branches on those and I'm picking I'm 531 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: picking up you know, activity there um and seeing all 532 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: manner of bucks. Uh. Seems seems like a lot of 533 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: distinctive young bucks right now. And are you seeing better 534 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: movement in the mornings or evenings in early October? Well, 535 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: most of what we've been hunting and that I tend 536 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: to get out a little bit more in the evening, 537 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: so I guess I have to say evenings, but I 538 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: really don't have that much to compare it to because 539 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: in the mornings I'm generally not out and around um 540 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: or hunting. So going forward, then, in this next week 541 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: or so, what do you think that buck ATTV is 542 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: going to be on a scale of one to ten 543 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin? Oh, I think you're going to see it 544 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: going up and you know, will be in that six 545 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: seven range. Um. Honestly, just in the last couple of 546 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: nights on the trail cameras, they had some cell cameras out. Um, 547 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm seeing that there's more bucks showing up in the 548 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: last couple of nights. And the thing that was really 549 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: encouraging is I actually posted a picture on Instagram out 550 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: of a really nice buck that one of my hunters 551 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: came out seventy five yards a hundred yards away and 552 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: never he came any closer, but he entertained him for 553 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: an hour and kept him nervous. So during daylight hours 554 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: seeing a more mature buck, that tells me that he 555 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: is pretty uh, pretty comfortable. Um. So. And then there's 556 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: we've got some others on camera that we're seeing them 557 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: not just in the middle of the night, but um 558 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: during the and most of those are evening hours, so 559 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, late afternoon evening. All right, Doug, good luck 560 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: to you and everyone else on the Durn Farm. Thanks 561 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: for joining me, Thank you very much, all right and 562 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: joining us online. Next is Caleb Combs from Stewart Ranch 563 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: Outfitters in Oklahoma. Now, Caleb in Oklahoma, what would you 564 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: say the buck activity has been lately on a scale 565 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: of one to ten opening weekend, I would say it 566 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: was a seven. Uh. I probably wouldn't put it as 567 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: high except for we were fairly successful and that we 568 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: put a couple of bucks down and we saw the 569 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: target bucks that I'm looking for during daylight hours. So 570 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: traditionally it's pretty good for US opening weekends. But it 571 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: wasn't phenomenal weather or anything. We had a front that 572 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: came through opening day that was really good, um, and 573 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: then it kind of trailed off after that. Saturday and 574 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: Sunday got progressively worse. So it wasn't anything special, but 575 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: we were successful, So I'd say normal, and I'm normally optimistic. 576 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: So seven. He's historically you have a lot of success 577 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: on that property on opening weekend in early October. What 578 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: is it about that property that sets up so well 579 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: for early October? Uh? What is it about property? Opening 580 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: October's usually good for US? UM? But I think it 581 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's particularly property. I think, well, 582 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: there's some proberts that wouldn't be good. I think you 583 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: can be successful early if you're putting in a lot 584 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: of time wherever that is, so, if you're putting in 585 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: a lot of cameras, or you're putting it in a 586 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: lot of scouting and you have a lot of intel 587 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: because we run a whole bunch of cameras and I 588 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: think we had thirty year more maybe out on this property. 589 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: And two were good. So when we got there and 590 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: we drew straws, you knew if you weren't the top 591 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: two guys that were drawing straws, you were not. You 592 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: were not in for a great weekend just because out 593 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: of all those spots, you have one that's got a 594 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: food source close enough to betting that you can and 595 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: has the right wind and you can pull it off. 596 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: So I mean it's still slim margins, but if you 597 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: put in your time and you get out there, you 598 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: can make it happen. So for the two setups that 599 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: were ideal for the opening weekend, you said it was 600 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: food close to bedding. Is that what they have in common? Yeah, 601 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: it's always. I mean we're in Oklahoma, so if you're 602 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: our food plots were not up yet. But if you 603 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: can find the acorn trees, or if you're running feeders, 604 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: or if you can bait all that's legal here. I mean, 605 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: whatever you have that is food somewhat close to bedding, 606 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: like you gotta be close. You can't be if you're 607 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: getting much of nighttime picks. You're not close. Are you 608 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: seeing any signmaking yet? Not really a little bit. I 609 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: mean I've made a bunch of mock scrapes, uh and 610 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: put cameras on them when I left. So that was Sunday, 611 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: But I haven't seen very many opening up. They opened 612 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: up for a little bit with the cold front we 613 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: had two weeks ago, but I mean even the big 614 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: the big bucks. We're carrying velvet late later than ever before, 615 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: like we thought maybe there was some kind of miracle chance. 616 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: We we're gonna shoot some giants and velva. That's that 617 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: close they got where they shed it off for that 618 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: opening weekend. How do morning setups differ for you than 619 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: evening setups? My ideal morning set up during opening his 620 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: day at the house, but now we went and hunted. 621 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: I went and sat, but I had no hope in it. 622 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: Evenings were great, but mornings were terrible. I think there 623 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: was one one shooter buck that was seen in the 624 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: morning and he was in range just you know, I 625 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: couldn't see his pen. Had to get buy knocks up 626 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: to make sure of him. So I mean, you know, 627 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: didn't try shot or anything. I'm just saying, like, and 628 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: if you pull out in the mornings after you're done hunting, 629 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, you can always tell if you're making their 630 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: way out of the property. There were no deer anywhere. 631 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: They're already all betted. Like if you see a couple, 632 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: they'll be under the tree. The only good buck bachelor 633 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: group that happens to bed next to the road that 634 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: we take in and out on Friday morning. They were 635 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: already better down and go right by, which is a 636 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: good place to bed. They always nowhere there. That's why 637 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: play seven, the Big seven that I've been trying to 638 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: kill forever. I don't know how old he is, like fourteen. 639 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: He beds right next to the roads. He always knows 640 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: when you come in, he knows when you leave. He's 641 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: really hard to kill. Why I still alive? Going forward 642 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: then to the sex week or so? What do you 643 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: think the bucket TV is going to be on a 644 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: scale of one to ten in Oklahoma? I have no 645 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be out this week. Uh. I 646 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: think there's a couple of days that it was supposed 647 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: to be seventies. So like a little minor cold front 648 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: fifties in the mornings. I still probably wouldn't be chasing 649 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: mornings this time of year. I won't be back out 650 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: probably tell that's sixteen dish, and that's if if the 651 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: weather stays the way it looks. I think that'll be 652 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: fine if you can get a cold front later. I 653 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: know I got no faith in the upcoming week, not 654 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: that you can't be successful. If you know where they're at, like, 655 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: you can probably pull it off. Do you have time 656 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: to go where you set up one? Don't be discouraged 657 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: by that. But and then look great, Um, did you 658 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: ask me what's going on to ten? Like? Not four? 659 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: All right, Caleb, good luck to you and everyone else. 660 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: That's Stewart Ranch Outfitters. Thanks for joining me. Hey, I 661 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks bye, And that concludes this week's episode 662 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: of Wired Haunts, What Fresh Radio. Thanks to bo Jordan's 663 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: Doug and Caleb for joining me, and thank you guys 664 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: for listening. As a reminder, you can find this week's 665 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: reading material in the description of the podcast, where you're 666 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: gonna get articles about how to make a horizontal rub, 667 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: three places to kill a buck during the October lull, 668 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: how to deer hunt a staging area, and how to 669 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: kill a buck in October. I will talk to you 670 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: next week, and until then, stay wired to hunt.