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Speaker 1: And I didn't even know I was doing like an

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Speaker 1: Welcome to More Better, a podcast where we stop pretending

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Speaker 1: to have it all together and embrace the journey becoming

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Speaker 2: Or at least trying to.

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Speaker 1: That's most of the Meryl And that's Stephanie Beatrice and Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome back guys. I was trying to practice my NPR

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Speaker 1: voice how to go?

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Speaker 2: Oh it was pretty good. Oh, I want to thank you. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: What have you done lately? More so that's a little

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Stephanie, I have been.

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Speaker 2: I've been lifting weights. Bro. Yeah, Bro, that's good for

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Speaker 1: I mean I kind of was already lifting weights, but

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Speaker 2: Wedding I started sweating with you. Yeah, but I kind

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I know yeah. I feel like a good

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Speaker 1: I am so excited because I love talking about sleep,

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Speaker 1: Also, Lucia, I want to like give kudos to you

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Speaker 2: I feel like there wasn't a lot of information when

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be okay. She's like like screamed, like if

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00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: it escalates it all, stop what you're immediately, So to me,

438
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: try yeah, immediately, just try being like silent, keeping her

439
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: like gently confined doors. Do I leave the room if

440
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: she's like get out, like, well, sometimes I'll try.

441
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: You could try to leave and see if she calms

442
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: down and goes back to sleep, or you could do

443
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: like go leave for a couple of minutes, come back in,

444
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: see how it is, you know, like almost like when

445
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: they're babies and you're doing like the check ins, like

446
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: when you're sleep sleep training, and sometimes just sitting there

447
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: and being completely silent is enough, and it's torturous because

448
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: you have to really wait and you just have to

449
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: like wait it out.

450
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: But I think she's normal. That's the thing. She's just

451
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: like screaming in my face like get out, like I

452
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: don't want you here, I don't want I don't want

453
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: you to come in here. I don't want you here. Yeah,

454
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: And then like I feel like like hugged her and

455
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: tried to hold her, and it seems like when she

456
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: wakes up, she understands what's going on kind of but

457
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: kind of, yeah, I don't think she's fully awake when

458
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: all that scream, which is wild, and she's like her

459
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: eyes are open and she's like screaming at me.

460
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they're like making with you. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

461
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: that is what it's like. It's terrifying. It's it's terrifying.

462
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean yeah, you could try to like

463
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: leave and see what happens. It's I feel like for us,

464
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: it was a lot of I just sleep, I leave

465
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: the house. I'm like, bye, I'm going to the movies

466
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: and you can take care of this.

467
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: Bye bit, You're on your own. See you work it out, girl,

468
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 2: work it out. I did. I'll be really honest. The

469
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: other day, she was like flailing around and I was

470
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: trying to hold her because I was afraid she's gonna

471
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 2: hurt herself. And I raised my voice and I'm not

472
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: want to do that, Like I really try not to

473
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: do it because I grew up in a house was

474
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: so much yelling and I'm like like super loud. She

475
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 2: fucking got really scared. She really got scared, and I

476
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I can't do that. Yeah, Like it

477
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Like that isn't that doesn't work. It doesn't

478
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: work with my kid, It doesn't work.

479
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: My was was Sometimes it can snap him out, you

480
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Sometimes it can redirect, you know,

481
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: like listen, we're all human, like I freaking, I yell

482
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: like it happens, you know, And but yeah, it's it's

483
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: a lot of like experimenting. And I think the biggest

484
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: thing we felt like we felt so terrible about it,

485
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: like it took us a long time to hear from

486
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: other parents, to hear from our the pediatrician of like,

487
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: this is completely normal. You're not doing anything wrong. You

488
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: just have to figure out what works for your kid.

489
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: And then and then the and then I think like

490
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the thing too was was figuring out the triggers. It

491
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: was always when he was overtired, sick was another big one,

492
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: or he had like a really over stimulating day, like

493
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: like too many things happening in the day. And so

494
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: I think when we pulled back on those things, I

495
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: mean the sick one was hard because you can't really

496
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: do anything about that, but at least like, yeah, like

497
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: trying to get him to bed earlier, like noticing if he,

498
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: oh he had a really like bit like active day,

499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: let's like try to get to bed on time. Like

500
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: things like that helped. And then honestly, like he just

501
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: grew out of it. He grew out of it. I

502
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: think he had his last one. I mean for him,

503
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: it was a he started at like two, and I

504
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: think he he hasn't knock on wood, hasn't had one

505
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: in a few years. I think around six or seven

506
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: he stopped and now he's and now he's sleepwalks.

507
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: But if this if those six or some you know,

508
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: Brad sleepwalks and he will straight up like talk to

509
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: me at night and yeah, And there were a couple

510
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: of times where I, like, I got upset at him

511
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: for something like years ago, and then the next morning

512
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: I would bring it up and he'd be like, what

513
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Like, oh my god, He's He's

514
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: like had a whole conversation with me that he doesn't remember.

515
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: So I'm starting to understand that I married the wrong

516
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: person and the mix of DNA no, I feel like

517
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: he like I feel like it's like an inherited thing

518
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: and and he, you know, like it's something that I

519
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: am probably Okay, this isn't something that I've ever dealt with,

520
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 2: but like I'm dealing I know how to deal with

521
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: it with Brad now, Like I just kind of go

522
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: like you're asleep, you're asleep, go back to sleep. Kind

523
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: of thing.

524
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's interesting that, which is the same

525
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: with with kids sleepwalking kids here like yeah, and I

526
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: was going through a sleepwalking phase right now, and the

527
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: first time, one of the first times, he just like

528
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: walked over to my side of the bed and then

529
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: just tap me on the shoulder and.

530
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: Went hi, Mama.

531
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: And I looked at his face and I was like

532
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: that boy's not awake, and I just got up, gently

533
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: turned him around, walked him back to his bed, put

534
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: him in bed, and he was out immediately. That's also

535
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: the tell and how you know it's sleepwalking. Yes, when

536
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: they hit the bed, they are immediately asleep immediately. And

537
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: I remember my mom used to say that that's what

538
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: she would do with me when she'd catch me sleepwalking.

539
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: She would just turn me around and either like guide

540
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: me back to bed or be like go back to bed,

541
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: and it just I wouldn't remember anything.

542
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything, you're asleep, you're asleep.

543
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: More better, better do you have like a good nighttime

544
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: routine or I mean we've talked about the tiki taki

545
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: on the iPad in bed.

546
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's what not to do. Kids don't

547
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: yet did I coke at five pm at dinner with

548
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: your family and then sit in your bed with your

549
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: TikTok because I was up until two in the morning.

550
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: And do I remember anything? No, I don't remember anything.

551
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: This was two nights ago. I don't. I don't. I

552
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 2: don't remember what. Did I even watch. I didn't learn anything.

553
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: I didn't see my favorite like hoof guy. What's his name? Like, Hey,

554
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm the hoof guy. You know what I'm talking about.

555
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: I do know what you're talking horses. I didn't see

556
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: anything educational. Let me just put that way. I feel

557
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: like my best sleep happens when I remembered it. Like,

558
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: so my best sleep happens usually when I take a

559
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: shower before bed, and when I'm working, I have to

560
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: take a shower before bed. Like I just feel like

561
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: and I can't always wash my hair because like you

562
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: know whatever, like if you're working sometimes you just can't

563
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: or like in my regular life, I try not to

564
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: wash my hair like that that much. I don't watch

565
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: it every day. I just can't. But yeah, I just

566
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: like scrub myself and like get into clean jammies with

567
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: socks and you know, maybe I have a little like

568
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: sleepy cocktail, like not a cocktail cocktail, but like a

569
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: sleepy cocktail. Wait, I have the recipe for it. Hold on,

570
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: let me see. Ooh, a sleepy cocktail. My friend Tony

571
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: was like, you have to mix the sleepy cocktail out.

572
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, I will at pig genin atagenin ap

573
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: I g E N I N okay. That's for relaxation

574
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: and cognitive support. It's what's in camameal tea a great

575
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: supplement to help you fall sleep, kind fall asleep kind

576
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: of triggers the thing to make you go to bed.

577
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take it every night, but it would be

578
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: good for you, along with melatonin when you're traveling, or

579
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: night shoots. If I'm really struggling, I take one of

580
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: those and I'm like like out out like a light.

581
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: Then the sleep formula that he gave me is two

582
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: hundred milligrams of l fiennine, a half scoop of magnesium threenate,

583
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: two grams of inocytoal, and three grams of glycine, stir

584
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: together in eight to twelve ounces of water before bed. Now,

585
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm fucking lazy, as we all know, I'm lazy about

586
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: taking care of myself. I don't know. I can't even

587
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: take my pills unless Brad like puts them out on

588
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: the counter for me. Okay, I'm lazy. Oh but when

589
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: I remember to do this, when I remember to take

590
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: the sleep formula, I fucking sleep through that night. Bitch

591
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: like I'm out, I'm out? Do I remember? No? Do?

592
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: I sometimes watch the documentary about America's Next Top Model

593
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: and then try to go to sleep after that without

594
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: doing my little thing.

595
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I gotta say when I take magnesium, I think

596
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: it helps. Magnesium is a big one for sleep. Taking

597
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: magnesium at.

598
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: Night, Yeah, you know it doesn't help me. Melotonin Nope,

599
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: me neither melotonin Me fucking nightmares. Bro Like speaking of nightmares,

600
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: meltonin gives me heinous nightmares and they're very what's the word.

601
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: Also, be careful. I'm not anti melatonin for kids. It

602
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: helps my kids with jet lag. It helps my kids

603
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: nine times when they're getting off of being sick. I have,

604
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: especially my bad sleeper, It helps him from time to

605
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: time get back on a sleep schedule when he's off.

606
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: But when he was in his night terror phase. Uh,

607
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: we noticed it would trigger night terror sometimes and yeah,

608
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: or it would if we were going through a particularly

609
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: bad sleep cycle, and we were trying to get him

610
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: back on track, and we would give it to him

611
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: two nights in a row. The second night he would

612
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: always have a night terror, And so stop doing that.

613
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling you. For me, it's like the thing

614
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: that gives me nightmares, the thing, and I don't have

615
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: a lot.

616
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: I don't struggle with it. It makes me feel groggy

617
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: the next day. I don't like the way I feel

618
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: the next day when I take the times I've tried melatonin,

619
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: I feel like metal foggy and like melotinin, I feel

620
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: real foggy and hungover the next day.

621
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. I think you would like

622
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: that at b GIN and now I can't remember what

623
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: it's called now, but like the Yeah, yeah, I think

624
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: you would like it, because I mean, I don't take

625
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: it every night at all, but like when I do,

626
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't feel grooggy. The next day, I feel super arrested.

627
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: I cannot survive on four or five hours of sleep.

628
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: I can do it. That Ros's third birthday was after

629
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: a night shoot and it was there I like got

630
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: home at I think I got home at like six

631
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: or seven or something, and people were coming to our

632
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: also like ten am, and I was like, oh, and

633
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: it was awful. I can't do it. I couldn't do

634
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: it when I was a teenager either, Like when I

635
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 2: was fifteen, I would stay up super super late. And

636
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: then my school I don't know about your school, but

637
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 2: my high school started at like seven am, which wh

638
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: is really bad really early. Yeah, it's also like really

639
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: bad for their brains, like they need to sleep as

640
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: much as possible, so hella early. I feel like when

641
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: I was twenty five, I was like just whenever I

642
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: fell asleep, I fell asleep. I always washed my face always. Yeah,

643
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: But whenever I fell asleep, I fell asleep, and I

644
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: was routinely late for things like in the morning, I

645
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: would just be like running late always. Now I feel

646
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: like I have a better routine of like it's not

647
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: like I have to have like my blankets a certain

648
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: way and stuff and if you do, more power to you.

649
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: But like I can fall asleep in a hotel. I

650
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: don't have to have it all the same every time.

651
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: But I do feel like when I do certain stuff

652
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: it helps me sleep, like the fresh jammies and socks

653
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: and whatever you know.

654
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I also will advocate for I remember

655
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: when I got my first good mattress in my twenties.

656
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

657
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: Who it's a big deal, life changing. Yeah, so it

658
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: is a good mattress whatever you like. Some people are

659
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: firm people, some people are softy people. I'm a softy person.

660
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: I like a soft mattress. Dude, I'm sorry to break

661
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: in my bed.

662
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: TikTok again, I'm sorry, But did you see those did

663
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: you see those videos about those girls that were struggling

664
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: with like crazy cistic acne and it was related to

665
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: their mattresses. There was like shit in their mattress. I

666
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was, but it was like related

667
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: to their shitty ass fucking matt Like, you know, some

668
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: of these companies just don't give a shit. There's so

669
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: many companies that don't give a shit about their consumers.

670
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: So also when you're looking for a mattress mm hmm,

671
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: look for ones that like are gonna help you. I mean, listen,

672
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: you don't know what's in that fucking mattress, Like we

673
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: don't know. So you know, mattress read reviews, look at

674
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: other people's like tried, try, try.

675
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: And I but I do feel like you can get

676
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: a good mattress for a good price. Nowadays, it's different

677
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: from when we were younger.

678
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: Some of the best sleep I've ever gotten was when

679
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: we were in Japan and we slept on fut on

680
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: mattresses on the floor, Like yeah, I mean, it doesn't

681
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: have to be like crazy expensive. It doesn't have to

682
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 2: be expensive. No, no, no no.

683
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: And then pillows. Figure out what pillow works for you.

684
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: Also if it's a soft boy or a firm boy,

685
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: so that also makes a difference if you're a stomach sleeper,

686
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: a side sleeper, or a back sleeper. Changing your pillow

687
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: is a big one. I got a pillow where it

688
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: came with an extra bag of like stuffing, these like

689
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: QB like foamy stuff things, so you could you could

690
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: open the actual pillow and subtract or add to the pillows,

691
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: which I really liked, and you could experiment with what

692
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: works for you. And then it was like foamy So

693
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of like get you know, gives a little

694
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: bit more support. Yeah, so pillow mattress is big. And

695
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: then I also I have since a teenager falling asleep

696
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: with the TV on we went through when we lived

697
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: in Harlem.

698
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: That's a podcast that's like a podcast. It's like a podcast.

699
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: And when we lived in Harlem, I was like, they

700
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: say it's bad for you to fall asleep to the

701
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: TV on, So we are not going to have a

702
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: TV in the bedroom anymore, and we're going to like

703
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: redo our life. We lived in an apartment for almost

704
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: four years, and my husband slept on the couch the

705
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,720
Speaker 1: majority of nights because his ass would fall asleep watching

706
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: the TV and he could not get his ass from

707
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: the couch to the bed. And I also, I understand

708
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: that I I had trouble falling asleep. So then when

709
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: we moved from the apartment, I was like, we're gonna

710
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 1: put a TV back in the bedroom. But we're very

711
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: different because David likes to fall asleep to like weird,

712
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: mindless shows like fucking Naked and Afraid or like I

713
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: don't know alone. I can sleep fall asleep to alone sometimes,

714
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: but I get wrapped up in the drama of the

715
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: show and then I fucking stay awake what I fall

716
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: asleep to. And I recently read this is a real thing.

717
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: I will fall asleep to something I've seen a million times,

718
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: one hundred percent a movie or even a show. If

719
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: it's something I've seen a million times. I am out

720
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: in five like a light and I got a light

721
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: like a light. But I read Bond turn on.

722
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: Mean Girls, I'm out, I'm out, baby out.

723
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: It's kind of a sleep pack, and I read a

724
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: sleep pack, and I read that this is a real

725
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: thing because your brain already knows the movie so well.

726
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: It's almost like you'll keep kind of watching it in

727
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: your mind, but your brain like let's go and like

728
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: disconnects and it can like help you fall asleep. It's

729
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: an actual real thing for some people. And so I

730
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: felt very validated in that. I was like, sorry, you

731
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: have to let me validate fantastic Beasts for the five

732
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: hundredth time. And that's a weird one, girl, you know,

733
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's something about like fantastical kind

734
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: of things that I also like falling asleep too. So yeah, yeah,

735
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: comedy is like hit or miss because I might stay

736
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: awake because the jokes if the jokes are too good

737
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: or funny, Like I'll stay awake because I'm like, oh wait,

738
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: I want to see that joke that I really like

739
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: coming up.

740
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah I can't, I can't.

741
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: But if it's something like people are flying through the

742
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: air and it's all like pretty and kind of like yeah,

743
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Fantastic Beasts is one of those

744
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: for me.

745
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. People fall asleep to Brooklyn nine

746
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 2: nine all the time, and I'm like, I don't know

747
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: how to feel about that. Is that good or pat No,

748
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: I think it's good.

749
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: I think it's good.

750
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: I yeah.

751
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: Also, a cold room, Lucia, if your room is not

752
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: cold enough, you got to try that.

753
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: I do like a cold room. I don't want to

754
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: be too cold, but I like a cold room. I

755
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: like a big blanket. I like the blanket's a big deal.

756
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: You need to have, like and does again, it doesn't

757
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: have to be expensive, but like, if you don't have

758
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: a comforter that you like, if you look at your

759
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: bed and you're not like, m yum, you need to

760
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: fix that. That's a huge part of it, because if

761
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: you look at your bed and you're like, oh, that's

762
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: not we're not going to it's not gonna cut it. Yeah,

763
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: it's not going to cut it. I also like to

764
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: feel kind of like contained in my bed. So sometimes

765
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: if if I'm out of town, like by myself working,

766
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: I'll put the or like if I'm saying in a hotel,

767
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: I'll put the pillows the other pillows like next to

768
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: me like they're a person. So that I do, you know,

769
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: a wash in the big bed.

770
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Speaker 1: Wandering around that big bed like you're lost in a

771
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: in a sea. I know. My son started asking me

772
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: for more of like a comforter, like I have like

773
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: a down comforter on my bed, like a fluffy comforter,

774
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: and he's been asking for one, and I'm just he

775
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: already has a comforter. But then part of me is

776
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: like I get it. I get it, but god, I

777
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: don't want to have to buy you a new blanket,

778
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: but I get it. Also, I recently got my kids

779
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: little weighted blankets and it's been helping them fall asleep.

780
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.

781
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's another thing that a lot of people like.

782
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: They're like five pounds, well, and so ask for a

783
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: second one. So I guess his is like ten pounds.

784
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: But Axel's got a little five pound one and they

785
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: both love it. They say it's it feels like somebody's

786
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: cuddling them, which is ultimately what they would how they

787
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: would prefer to fall asleep somebody cuddling them was really sweet,

788
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: so I was trying to get us to do it.

789
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: We're like, no, here's a weighted blanket here at don't

790
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: you listen. I love our children. It's just sweety a

791
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: little bit.

792
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Do time listen. I'm not worried the other parents get

793
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: that joke. Should we hop into some nerd time?

794
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, nerd time.

795
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: No, nerd time, nerd time, nerd time.

796
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this forgotten medieval habit of

797
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: two sleeps, something called by fat sleep. For millennia, people

798
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: slept in two shifts, once in the evening and once

799
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: in the morning. But why and how did that happen disappear?

800
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: When is our producer Isis brought this up, I was like, yes,

801
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: I do this, and that's because I'm waking up at

802
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: two am, right and I'm staying awake and I'm like

803
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: reading a book. But then I wish that, like it

804
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: was normal to be able to get stuff done, and

805
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: maybe I should just try that, like get in my

806
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: office and get stuff done. When I do it, I

807
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: feel guilt, Like when I wake up a two am,

808
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: I feel guilty. And then the thing is like I

809
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: wake up a two am, I stay awake for a

810
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: couple hours, I go back to sleep, but then I

811
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 2: have to get up at seven forty five when Ros

812
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: gets up for school. Right, and then sometimes I do

813
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: nap in the morning, like I take a morning nap,

814
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: which is very luxurious. And the only reason I can

815
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: do that is because I'm not working right now. I'm

816
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: not working until May, so that's the only reason I

817
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: can take a morning nap. That's it's fine, You're allowed

818
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: to take a morning nap by phasics. A historian in England,

819
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: Roger eric found rediscovered that this used to be the norm.

820
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: By phasic sleep was not unique to England either. It

821
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: was widely practiced throughout the pre industrial world. In France,

822
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: the initial sleep was something called the premier palmme. In

823
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: Italy it was the primo son. In fact, he found

824
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: evidence that the habit was in locations is just in

825
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: a Africa, it South and Southeast Asia, Australia, South America,

826
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Why biological response to living without

827
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: artificial light wow natural circadian rhythm adaption. When people live

828
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: with only ten hours of natural daylight no artificial light,

829
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: their bodies naturally split sleep into two phases melatone in

830
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: biological adjustments sleep hormone melatonin adjustice to support this pattern.

831
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: At a biological level, it wasn't just happened, It was

832
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: how bodies naturally respond to darkness. It may have it

833
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: may be how we evolved to sleep. Evidence suggests this

834
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: was the default human sleep pattern for millennia, possibly inherited

835
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: from prehistoric ancestors. This makes sense to me because like

836
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: at some time we were like, ugh, something gonna eat us,

837
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like we weren't going to

838
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: sleep for a ten hour stretch or whatever. We were

839
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: like four hours. You probably do it. You watch the fire.

840
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to be over here. What's a fire? I

841
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: don't know, you know, I don't like figure it out. Yeah,

842
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: it seems normal people did tend to fires, check on animals.

843
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes people would, you know, commit crimes. This is what

844
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: I feel like doing when I wake up at two am.

845
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: That's for fucking sure. And it went away because of

846
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: the industrial revolution and lighting and stuff. I do feel

847
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 2: sometimes like maybe I should. Here's what my therapist said.

848
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: She was like, well, when you wake up, don't get

849
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: on your phone in your bed, like go leave the room,

850
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: Like leave, yes, because your bed needs to be a

851
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 2: place for sleeping and not anxiety about sleep. So leave

852
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: the room, go sit in a chair and read a

853
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: book mm hmmm, and don't read something super exciting or

854
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: interesting either, which is why I'm reading, like how to

855
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: be a Victorian. I that's a book, that's amazing.

856
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: I used to, yeah, get on my phone immediately when

857
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: I would wake up, and then I read something about

858
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: how bad that is for you.

859
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: And I also found.

860
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: That it was making me wake up feeling tired when

861
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: I would eventually get out of bed, and so I

862
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: stopped doing it, maybe like a year ago. And I

863
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Speaker 1: do notice a huge difference.

864
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

865
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Speaker 1: I also, I think because I'm a type of person

866
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: that like, like my husband opens his eyes and immediately

867
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: gets out of bed.

868
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: Like he he reads up so fast up.

869
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: He's like dead asleep. His eyes open and then he's

870
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: out of the bed. And I'm like, how do you

871
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: do that?

872
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

873
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: I I hit this neowze, I like lay in bed

874
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: for a few minutes, you know, I have. And then

875
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: I've been doing this new thing because some mornings I

876
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: do have I'm like, oh my god, I cannot get

877
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: out of this bed. I want to reach for the

878
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: phone or I just want to stay in bed like so.

879
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: And then I read this thing once that was like

880
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: tips on how to like wake up in the morning,

881
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: and one of them was sometimes you just have to

882
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: launch yourself out a bitch.

883
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes launch bitch, yes, and you just have to

884
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: like and I literally will do that. I'll be like,

885
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna do it.

886
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna launch, We're gonna launch bitch three two one,

887
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: And I was just yeah, like, don't even think about it,

888
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: just launch yourself out of the bed.

889
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: And then it's like I did it. I did it.

890
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm up now and I'm ut to the bathroom, do

891
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: my thing, get coffee, and then after a while maybe

892
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: i'll like, you know, read some headlines on my phone and.

893
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: Like, but you leave. If I do the kids, I

894
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 2: leave the phone for a while. Yeah.

895
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get up, I make the lunch for school,

896
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: I do all the shit for school for like twenty minutes,

897
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: and then I like to sit with my coffee for

898
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty minutes before I'm screaming at the boys

899
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: to get dressed and get out the door.

900
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: Back to yelling. This morning, I was like, hey, hi, Hi,

901
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: are you okay, hi, So we do need to get

902
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: up now. She was like, I was like, I feel

903
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: the difference between having one child and two is so

904
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: it is like an incredible, incredible difference. The gulf between

905
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: having one child and two is just wild. Man, Like,

906
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it. I don't know

907
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: how you do it.

908
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: Our mornings are so fairal I try now to like

909
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: not let them get dressed at the same time, because

910
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: they inevitably start either like messing around being cute and

911
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: they're having fun, and then other mornings they're arguing. Yeah,

912
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: it's like either positive or negative. They're either like fucking

913
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: around in that room and I'm like half dressed, like

914
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: like no shirts, underwear, one sock on, you know, and

915
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: they're like playing tag or like throwing shit at each other.

916
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: Or the other morning they're like screaming at each other

917
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and like fighting. So I try to stagger them now

918
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: in the morning.

919
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: But smart, yeah, yeah, really smart.

920
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Today, I was like, guys, don't I don't want to yell.

921
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: Can we just get dressed without me having to raise

922
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: my voice? Can we just listen to the words I'm

923
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: saying right now? Put your pants on? Put your pants on?

924
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: Your pants.

925
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: No, brush your teeth. Please your pants. That's one leg

926
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: of the pants. Put the other one on. Please get

927
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: your shirt. It's the same shirt every day you wear

928
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: a uniform. Get the shirt. That should not take twenty minutes.

929
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: Let's go.

930
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, I don't know. It's just a different world.

931
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: It's a different one. It's yeah.

932
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: No, And then yeah, watch when she starts elementary school

933
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: and she's got all this shit she's got to remember

934
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: fucking is your homework builder in your backpack?

935
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

936
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: God? Like, yeah, we should do a getting ready, getting

937
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: them ready episode? Because like I think.

938
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: No, it should not because I have no tips. I

939
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: have no tips, but there are maybe we can do

940
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: it with an expert. Maybe there are we can read

941
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: all the tips.

942
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the one, because I that is something I

943
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: want to get more better at. Because yeah, I thought

944
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: this was really interesting, like going back to sleep. Okay,

945
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: So you were talking about something about nightmares earlier, and

946
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 2: I like when we were talking about doing this episode,

947
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: and I want you to say it because you kind

948
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: of like discover this hack on your own, and I

949
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: think it's very cool. My sister struggles with nightmares and

950
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't I don't I rarely have them, or maybe

951
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: if I do, I don't remember them, because I guess

952
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: you'd like you only remember, you forget fifty percent of

953
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: your dreams within five minutes of waking up and ninety

954
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 2: percent within ten minutes. Talk about what you did with

955
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 2: nightmares that helped you.

956
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was excited. I just had this in

957
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: our in our outline because it's a real thing. You

958
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: can rewrite your nightmares. It's called image rehearsal therapy. And

959
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: this was something I unknowingly did I remember as a

960
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: teenager because I would have a lot of recurring nightmares.

961
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: I was always running away from someone. And then it's

962
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: something that I tell my kids. My younger one is

963
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: go was he's better now, but he was going through

964
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: a phase wor hees having a lot of nightmares and

965
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: he was going to bed worried about the nightmare. And

966
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: so first I would tell him, well, you know, did

967
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: you have a good day? Do you have a happy day?

968
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: And he'd be like yeah, and I'd be like, well,

969
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: your braid's probably gonna just pull from your happy day

970
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: and make some happy dreams, just like try to like

971
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: placebo affect it, like you know, convince him that like

972
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to happen. But then I would talk

973
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: to him about doing this. So you write down your

974
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: recurring nightmare and then you rewrite it with a positive ending,

975
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: and you rehearse the new version before bed, and your

976
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: brain displaces the nightmare content during sleep. I remember doing this.

977
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: I had recurring nightmares about running away from different things,

978
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: and then when I would have them so many times

979
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: in a row or with frequency, I remember laying in

980
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: bed and like reimagining the same nightmare. I'm running away

981
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: from the thing, but now I'm going to turn around

982
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: and I've got and all of a sudden, I've got

983
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: a machete and I'm fighting back, and I you know,

984
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: I would like kaiate some brave ending for myself.

985
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: Huh.

986
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: And I didn't even know I was doing like an

987
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: actual thing that works.

988
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: And I tell my kids that too.

989
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: I say, if you wake up from a bad dream,

990
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: you can always either lay back in bed and think

991
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: of a new dream, like a happy dream, and like

992
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: picture it in your mind like a movie, like you're

993
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: controlling the movie until you fall asleep, and your brain's

994
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: going to stay in the happy dream.

995
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: Or I've also told them.

996
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: Think of the bad dream and think of a different

997
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: way could go where you win or you're not scared,

998
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: or the monster all of a sudden looks really silly,

999
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: and just write the ending. You just rewrite it and

1000
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: you have to practice it. And so this actually is

1001
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: a real thing, image rehearsal therapy that works. So, Lucia,

1002
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you have a lot of recurring nightmares

1003
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: if you remember them, if they're the same kinds, I

1004
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: would highly suggest trying this practice before Yeah, you go

1005
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: to bed, try it out. But yeah, I think it really,

1006
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: it really does help.

1007
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: It helped me. It's fucking awesome, more better, Okay. I

1008
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: feel like the big takeaways for her are probably are

1009
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: you setting yourself up comfy? Like are you doing the

1010
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: things that you need to do, Like is your bed comfy?

1011
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: Or do you have a little mini routine and like

1012
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: doing it? Actually doing it, girl, because if you're like me,

1013
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: you lazy as fuck. Like, so when I actually do

1014
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: the thing I like, I sleep, I really do. It's

1015
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: just I'm like, yeah, I don't want to, you know,

1016
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: but I deserve to sleep, And so does she, Like

1017
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: she really deserves it. So if she's struggling with nightmares.

1018
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: I suggest, like highly suggest trying this image. What was it?

1019
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: Image replacement therapy image image image rehears got a name

1020
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: for it. Image. Try the Melissa thing. Try the Melissa thing.

1021
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: Try try the Melissa nightmare thing that I actually discovered

1022
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: but never got credit for. But it's okay. I didn't

1023
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: go into science. Also, cold room, physical activity, move your body,

1024
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:28,959
Speaker 1: try to get yourself tired, and guests and check same time,

1025
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: Like what works for you same time? Maybe put the

1026
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: same movie on every night.

1027
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me if you try Tony's little little sleepy cocktail,

1028
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, tell us to try to. I can try

1029
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: any of this stuff and it gives you nightmares. We

1030
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: are not responsible. Again disclaimer, we are not doctors. But

1031
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: if you try some of the stuff and it works,

1032
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: we'd love to know. Then we would like credit. Yeah.

1033
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 2: Do you feel a little more better? I do. I

1034
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: do feel a little more better. I love sleep too.

1035
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: You feel a little more better. I did too. I

1036
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: realize I have stuff that I that works for me.

1037
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 2: I just get Hey, I'm lazy to do it right, girl?

1038
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: You know it. You're self aware. That's half the battle.

1039
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: Self aware about my laziness. As I like lay on

1040
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 2: a fainting couch. Okay, guys, thanks for listening. Get your

1041
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: sleep on. Yeah, go go take a nap. We'll see

1042
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: you next time, See you next time. Bye bye Better.

1043
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: Do you have something you'd like to be more better

1044
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: at that you want us to talk about in a

1045
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: future episode?

1046
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: Can you relate to our struggles or have you tried

1047
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: one of our tips and tricks?

1048
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: Shoot us your thoughts and ideas at More Better pod

1049
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com and complete a voice note if

1050
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,560
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1051
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Speaker 2: Better with Stephanie Melissa is a production from WV Sound

1052
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Speaker 2: and iHeartMedia's Mikudura podcast network, hosted by Me, Steffie Beatriz

1053
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Speaker 1: and ISIS Madrid.

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Speaker 2: Sean Tracy and features original music by Madison Davenport and

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