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Speaker 4: Also on audio on Spotify or Apple podcasts. We are
Speaker 4: very excited to sort of kind of do a playing GM.
Speaker 4: We're going to go semi rapid fire. The plan is
Speaker 4: roughly eight ish minutes on each team. Some teams will
Speaker 4: take five minutes, some teams will take ten. But we
Speaker 4: are going to walk you through each buyer in the
Speaker 4: American League and then tomorrow is going to be each
Speaker 4: buyer in the National League, and we're going to talk
Speaker 4: about a possible wish list, Like I have my wish
Speaker 4: list concocted for all of these teams in the American
Speaker 4: League what it could look like with their deadline, and
Speaker 4: we can just kind of workshop, like what that may
Speaker 4: take arm.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited for this one. As always, it's.
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Speaker 4: with our friends at bet MGM. But deadline time is
Speaker 4: upon us. I feel like every single episode this week
Speaker 4: is going to be some former fashion talking deadline and
Speaker 4: trade market because that's how baseball media operate to the
Speaker 4: end of July.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it seems to be what everybody wants
Speaker 3: as well, So we're always shop and just the best
Speaker 3: ways to go through it, and I think this is
Speaker 3: gonna be a fun way to do that where we
Speaker 3: can go through all the teams, discuss what they need,
Speaker 3: highlight some thoughts, but also not go not be up
Speaker 3: against it to where some of the moves might already
Speaker 3: be happening.
Speaker 5: So I think we found a good balance here.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm excited because this is I think and
Speaker 3: we're always like prisoners in the moment. But I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think back to say these Even just as long
Speaker 3: as I've been talking about the trade deadline, I don't
Speaker 3: think there's been a deadline where teams have needed to
Speaker 3: be more creative, and I don't think it has anything
Speaker 3: to do with the lockout. It's just a weird scarcity
Speaker 3: of rental bats and a lot of teams that that
Speaker 3: need bats. And I think that combination, paired with some
Speaker 3: teams that also have a little bit of more controllable
Speaker 3: pitching that need bats, like, I think you're gonna just
Speaker 3: have a very unique deadline that is going to come
Speaker 3: with control being traded for control, and I just we
Speaker 3: don't see that all that often.
Speaker 4: The other big one is twenty three teams are and
Speaker 4: I'm air quoting in it, there are twenty three teams
Speaker 4: that are effectively within four and a half five games
Speaker 4: of a wild card berth right now, and historically speaking
Speaker 4: in recent memory, that has kind of signified in it.
Speaker 4: Right if you're within five games of a wild card berth,
Speaker 4: you're in the hunt. Twenty three of the thirty fit
Speaker 4: that criteria right now, So that eliminates the true sellers here,
Speaker 4: or I guess like that limits the number of true sellers.
Speaker 2: So now you've.
Speaker 4: Got teams that could be somewhat sort of kind of
Speaker 4: in it, that are turning in a soft cell.
Speaker 2: And it's like, well, why did this happen?
Speaker 4: Because there are twenty three teams that are vying for
Speaker 4: what twelve spots in the postseason.
Speaker 2: That's tough, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even in the that we've been we've
Speaker 3: been making so much of the American League side, the
Speaker 3: National League side's a little bit of a cutter now
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, too, where it's just you don't
Speaker 3: have to be very good to be in the hunt.
Speaker 3: And I think that aspect of it too. Now you've
Speaker 3: got an both sides where and this is the expanded
Speaker 3: playoff conversation, which I think there's clearly pros and cons,
Speaker 3: but do you've got basically half the league reasonably in it?
Speaker 3: I mean, even with the Marlins ridiculous losing streak, they're
Speaker 3: two games out right so and ahead of them is
Speaker 3: the Padres game and a half Cardinals game and a half.
Speaker 5: So on the National League side, it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: And then we've talked all year about the American League
Speaker 3: side and just how wide open that is as well.
Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, like both leagues are becoming
Speaker 3: kind of comparable in terms of how the standings look
Speaker 3: because some of these American Leagues teams have picked up
Speaker 3: and some of the National League teams have slown down.
Speaker 4: A lot of people are quick to call this a
Speaker 4: seller's market because there are not many sellers, and it
Speaker 4: just kind of kicked up this galaxy brain thought for
Speaker 4: me that like last year we called it a seller's market,
Speaker 4: and the year before that we called it a seller's market.
Speaker 4: Since the wildcard expansion, it's been a seller's market every year.
Speaker 4: So as you expand a wild card, there's going to
Speaker 4: be more of a seller's market. Sellers in turn will
Speaker 4: get better prospect return and then those guys will start
Speaker 4: to get to the big leagues here in about five years,
Speaker 4: three four, five years and they will start to enter
Speaker 4: winning windows. It's good for parody in Major League Baseball
Speaker 4: to have a seller's market every single trade deadline, and
Speaker 4: it feels like inherently even in the off season, the
Speaker 4: trade market is almost always now again with the expanded playoff,
Speaker 4: a seller's market.
Speaker 3: Well, especially in the world that we've kind of seen
Speaker 3: now where prospects are so valuable. Control is so valuable
Speaker 3: that I mean Baseball America and JJ Cooper's done a
Speaker 3: great job of highlighting this, Like top one hundred prospects
Speaker 3: were getting traded less and they still are getting traded
Speaker 3: less frequently and less frequently and less frequently, and a
Speaker 3: way to maybe stoke that flame a little bit and
Speaker 3: get bigger prospects moved is for it to be a
Speaker 3: seller's market, right where you have a bidding war and
Speaker 3: you have a situation where teams have to try to
Speaker 3: outdo each other. And so I think that's where it's
Speaker 3: going to be fascinating to see this deadline. But I
Speaker 3: think you combine all those things with the fact that
Speaker 3: there's not I was thinking about who are the best
Speaker 3: rental bats. You go Luisa Rise and you're like, uh.
Speaker 5: Taylor Ward, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So that's where it becomes really fascinating, and I think
Speaker 3: we're going to see some very creative trades.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. Man, I am excited to go
Speaker 4: through this. And again we're going to go team by team.
Speaker 4: We're going to shoot for about eight minutes ish per team,
Speaker 4: but again, some may go short, some may naturally go long.
Speaker 4: We're going to start with the American League East. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna give you a rundown of all the teams that
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about. We'll start Yankees, We'll go Yankees, Rays,
Speaker 4: Red Sox, and then we'll kick it over to the
Speaker 4: Central for the White Sox and the Guardians, and then
Speaker 4: we'll kick it over to the Al West for Rangers
Speaker 4: and Mariners. We're not going to talk about the Astros.
Speaker 4: We're not going to talk about the Twins and the Tigers.
Speaker 4: Those are kind of like the notable omissions from this group.
Speaker 4: But these are all of the firm buyers as we
Speaker 4: sit here and talk on Tuesday, July twenty eighth. So
Speaker 4: without further ado, let's kick start the New York Yankee
Speaker 4: conversation right now. And the New York Yankees, as it
Speaker 4: currently stands, sit too in and out half back of
Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays atop the American League East, and
Speaker 4: as it pertains to the American League wild card standings,
Speaker 4: they hold the top spot. They're six and a half
Speaker 4: games clear of the final spot at sixty and forty six.
Speaker 4: They're fourteen over five hundred. Cleveland currently occupies the last
Speaker 4: spot of the American League wild card picture. They are
Speaker 4: a game over five hundred, so again the bottom spot
Speaker 4: is fifty four and fifty three. The Yankees hold the
Speaker 4: top wild card spot at sixty and forty six. The
Speaker 4: Yankees do a lot of things really well. In particular,
Speaker 4: their bullpen is the best in baseball by Bullpenny al Raight.
Speaker 4: Their rotation looks awesome in October ready, but they haven't
Speaker 4: had Judge for a long time, and they haven't had
Speaker 4: John Carlos Stanton for a long time. And they won't
Speaker 4: have Bellinger for four to six weeks now with the
Speaker 4: hamstring issues. So there's a lot kind of going awry
Speaker 4: for the New York Yankees as it stands at this moment.
Speaker 4: And I also think it'd be pertinent before we get
Speaker 4: into any Yankee conversation. I want to flash these two
Speaker 4: real quick, because they could hunt a bullpen arm, they
Speaker 4: may not. I just want to highlight that the bullpen
Speaker 4: arms are usually almost always the ones that are most
Speaker 4: dealt at the deadline.
Speaker 2: We've got kind of like.
Speaker 4: Your big four lefty relievers, your big five lefty relievers Morohone, Mentor,
Speaker 4: Rayley Lynch and Ferguson, and then your big five righty relievers.
Speaker 4: Mason Miller's a conversation in and of itself, Luke Weaver,
Speaker 4: Wasscar bros Upon, Kirby Yates, and Colin Holderman. So just
Speaker 4: wanted to flash that real quick. But when you think
Speaker 4: New York Yankees, What do you deem to be the
Speaker 4: priority in terms of.
Speaker 3: Going to get just hitting bats. It's just wild because
Speaker 3: and I think you look at third base in particular.
Speaker 3: I think that's the position that we've heard Peter talk
Speaker 3: a lot about. But now you start to look at
Speaker 3: corner outfield even too, just because it's just DH corner outfield,
Speaker 3: whatever you can get. But it's one of those where
Speaker 3: I guess at least you can DH. Rice Goldie's going
Speaker 3: to play first base regularly, So it just all kind
Speaker 3: of drives you right back to third base because at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, anybody that you acquire for
Speaker 3: corner Raffie it once to Judge is back, and your
Speaker 3: your season's kind of hinging on Judge being back. It's
Speaker 3: going to be fascinating to just see how they handle that.
Speaker 3: But I think it's it's third base. And then you
Speaker 3: could say shortstop, like I think you can piece it
Speaker 3: together at shortstop. Anthony Volpi's been fine.
Speaker 2: I just been fine.
Speaker 3: I don't he dropped a fly ball yesterday. I feel
Speaker 3: like you just only see the bad things. He's one
Speaker 3: point two four at one point one b war He's
Speaker 3: basically a league average hitter at shortstop, that's fine, that's littally,
Speaker 3: it's fine, can be.
Speaker 5: Value on the base pass, whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: I go to third base, where it's just they already
Speaker 3: have a fair amount of like whiff and you just
Speaker 3: have the worst version of your left handed whiff guy.
Speaker 5: And you go to catcher.
Speaker 3: I mean, Austin Wells has been horrible, horrible, and you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you need to acquire a super
Speaker 3: controllable guy, because I think you're still hoping that Wells
Speaker 3: can be better next year. But I think you gotta
Speaker 3: find someone that can help you through there, because I
Speaker 3: just look at the eight to nine spot in the
Speaker 3: lineup right now, when it's like McMahon well however they
Speaker 3: want to structure the lineup, but you have two spots
Speaker 3: there that are just gaping holes because right now corner
Speaker 3: outfield it's going to be stop gapped until you know,
Speaker 3: you get judged back and then of course you know
Speaker 3: belly as well.
Speaker 4: I was very boring with my wish list, to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, So again I've got a wish list
Speaker 4: for all of these teams, and I'll show you who's
Speaker 4: on my wish list. But I didn't have a third baseman.
Speaker 4: Third basement is naturally going to be a bit bigger
Speaker 4: of a swing for the Yankees than the catching position.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you. The catching position jumps out to
Speaker 2: me at short.
Speaker 4: You feel okay about Cabayiro and Volpi kind of being
Speaker 4: the time buyer until George Lombard is ready to go.
Speaker 4: But you've got effectively four platoon spots in this lineup.
Speaker 4: Spencer Jones will likely make way for Max Schuman at
Speaker 4: any point on a given day. Ryan McMahon is going
Speaker 4: to make way for a med Rassario on a given day.
Speaker 4: Austin Wells is going to make way for Ali Sanchez
Speaker 4: on a given day. And I'll tell you that Austin
Speaker 4: Wells Ali Sanchez catching platoon is not awesome right now,
Speaker 4: So good, let me post your two names to possibly
Speaker 4: get your brain turning on.
Speaker 2: There is a big ticket wish.
Speaker 4: And we'll see what Minnesota wants to do, and then
Speaker 4: there's a realistic wish and we know what Cincinnati wants
Speaker 4: to do. But the two guys on my wish list,
Speaker 4: I just want one of them, Ryan Jeffers from the
Speaker 4: Minnesota Twins or Tyler Stevenson from the Cincinnati Reds. Tyler
Speaker 4: Stevenson is the chalky one that will be available and
Speaker 4: way way cheaper than Ryan Jeffers.
Speaker 2: But Jeffers has.
Speaker 4: Been awesome and Minnesota has one of the better offenses
Speaker 4: in the American League so far this year. So when
Speaker 4: you see these two names, do you want to swing
Speaker 4: big and try and pry Jeffers away or do you
Speaker 4: want Tyler Stevenson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would want to swing a little bit bigger
Speaker 3: because you're the Yankees, and I know, like there's a
Speaker 3: case I got this team's flawed, blah blah blah, like
Speaker 3: it may not.
Speaker 5: Be the year that they're gonna make this.
Speaker 3: Running fourteen games over five hundred, you're still been holding
Speaker 3: served over the last ten after getting through that kind
Speaker 3: of rough patch, and you ad Jeffers to the team
Speaker 3: that ultimately, yes, you're gonna need Judge back to reach
Speaker 3: your ceiling. But we had Jeffer's bat to the fold there.
Speaker 3: It's not just what he would bring to that lineup
Speaker 3: with what he's been offensively, that the uptick that you
Speaker 3: would get value wise from being one of the worst
Speaker 3: offensive catching tandems to a guy that has a one
Speaker 3: sixty WRC plus seria, like, even if he doesn't maintain that,
Speaker 3: if he regresses to roughly his career average of one
Speaker 3: to twelve the rest of the way, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna be a huge it's gonna be
Speaker 3: fifty percent better than what you've had. And I think
Speaker 3: if it we learned to anything last year, even with
Speaker 3: bats performing like this, and catchers are different, I guess
Speaker 3: a little bit tougher because you don't see it rental
Speaker 3: catchers traded as often. But I think the cost for
Speaker 3: rental bat tends to be cheaper than we think, Like
Speaker 3: the Yankees don't need to part with one of their
Speaker 3: top top guys, and what do the Yankees typically have
Speaker 3: more of an abundance of its pitching prospects. The Twins,
Speaker 3: I still think, are gonna want more pitching throughout that system.
Speaker 3: So I think the Twins are kind of one of
Speaker 3: those like strategic teams that isn't gonna fully fully sell.
Speaker 5: But it seems like.
Speaker 3: Jeffers is kind of that inevitable, got a cash in
Speaker 3: kind of guy. And if you get offered a couple
Speaker 3: quality pitching projects, which Yankees have plenty of, I think
Speaker 3: it would be hard to pass on that, and I
Speaker 3: think that's where I'm swinging for the fences with Jeffers,
Speaker 3: because this offense needs more than a Tyler Stevenson. It
Speaker 3: needs a real Choltz, especially to hold them down until
Speaker 3: you know Judge gets back.
Speaker 4: The other thing that jumps out about the Stevenson thing,
Speaker 4: which makes it slightly more intriguing, is you could probably
Speaker 4: get Stevenson and a reliever. And yeah, Yankees are of
Speaker 4: the best bullpen in baseball era wise, but Brent Hendrick
Speaker 4: has been amazing as Brent Hedrick proved himself in the postseason.
Speaker 2: No, not yet. You could use another lefty reliever.
Speaker 4: That's where a guy like Caleb Ferguson could get attached,
Speaker 4: or a guy like Antone could get attached if you
Speaker 4: just want more iron than the fire in the bullpen.
Speaker 4: But with a guy like Jeffers, it's just an objectively
Speaker 4: better player. And he's hitting two ninety with a four
Speaker 4: hundred OVP and a nine to thirty oh ps. He's
Speaker 4: been ridiculous in forty six games so far this year.
Speaker 2: So I like the.
Speaker 4: Jeffers fit and I'm with you man, like if it's
Speaker 4: your fifth sixth best starting pitching prospect in the organization.
Speaker 4: You feel pretty decent about doing that if it is
Speaker 4: your World Series push and you can run Jeffers out
Speaker 4: there along with Austin Wells.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna jokingly flow like, well, well, maybe
Speaker 3: they bring Jse Travino home, But it makes no sense
Speaker 3: for the Rets because that's gonna be the guy that's
Speaker 3: gonna be probably their primary catcher next year.
Speaker 4: They already extended him Terenz type extensions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and hold it down until they get Duno back.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you aim a little bit higher,
Speaker 3: especially with the aggression that they're gonna have rental bat's
Speaker 3: still not gonna cost that much. You go try to
Speaker 3: convert pitching. It's a good trade fit with the Twins,
Speaker 3: and you make that happen. But I do like the
Speaker 3: idea because Twins can't attach a bullpen arm and won't
Speaker 3: want to. They don't want to fully give up this season.
Speaker 3: The Reds could have the appeal of at least being
Speaker 3: able to attach a bullpen arm, But I think being
Speaker 3: able to go get a bat that can make a
Speaker 3: bigger impact for you might end up being the appeal.
Speaker 5: With Jeffers, the.
Speaker 4: Other one is third base, and the way that you
Speaker 4: can galaxy brain the third base market is kind of
Speaker 4: a trickle down effect, Like everybody's looking at Matt Chapman.
Speaker 4: Who's going to take on the Matt Chapman money if
Speaker 4: he does go anywhere from San Francisco. Could be the
Speaker 4: Yankees could be Philly if they're looking for a vibe
Speaker 4: change here, and the trade return would be a lot
Speaker 4: less impactful for a guy like Alec Bohm if Philly
Speaker 4: were to go get Chapman and then Bohm becomes very available.
Speaker 4: Like I'm just wondering how third base could kind of
Speaker 4: materialize for the Yankees. Another guy like and this is
Speaker 4: not shooting for the stars whatsoever, because he has an
Speaker 4: ops under five hundred this year, but Kee Brian Hayes
Speaker 4: is back healthy for Cincinnati. His dad, Charlie, was a
Speaker 4: Yankee for a little bit of time, right, Like, maybe
Speaker 4: that's that change of scenery and it would literally cost
Speaker 4: you nothing and you would just be taking on the money.
Speaker 4: But they already sunk money with Ryan McMahon, So it
Speaker 4: was it was like an intrusive thought that made its
Speaker 4: way out of the podcast. And I'm not saying they
Speaker 4: should do it. But my thought is like Chapman were
Speaker 4: boom depending on how Philly operates.
Speaker 3: To the Chapman path, I think makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense if the Yankees aren't totally off put by the money.
Speaker 3: There one other sneaky shout that I think would be
Speaker 3: fascinating because they're a good match, would be the Cubs.
Speaker 3: Matt Shaw, assuming he's healthy, can play third for you.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, if you want to go upgrade.
Speaker 3: What I like about a Matt Shaw addition is he
Speaker 3: on top of the control, he doesn't handcuff you from
Speaker 3: like being able to go make other moves because you
Speaker 3: can play him anywhere. He's very, very versatile, and the
Speaker 3: Yankees love those kind of super utility types. Is like
Speaker 3: a Will Warren and I don't know who needs to
Speaker 3: add whatever it may be, but with the Cubs need
Speaker 3: for pitching like Will Warren would be a godsend for
Speaker 3: them and Matt Shaw could fit. Maybe maybe there needs
Speaker 3: to be a little bit tacked onto Shaw with the injury,
Speaker 3: you know, and just still kind of waiting to see
Speaker 3: him prove it. Warren's been really good this year, but
Speaker 3: I don't know it. Could there be something matched up there.
Speaker 3: That makes sense because that would be a huge upgrade
Speaker 3: for them. I just think in general at the hot corner,
Speaker 3: Warren still being pre arbed this year, I'd imagine they'd
Speaker 3: have to tack on a little bit more of the Cubs,
Speaker 3: but could be an interesting swap.
Speaker 5: But I don't know if that this Yankee codd necessarily.
Speaker 4: I've actually got a I've got a shot coming up,
Speaker 4: a shot conversation coming up a little bit later on
Speaker 4: in the program, A lot of people saying, please take Hayes,
Speaker 4: how about Mike. I can hear Yankees fans throwing their
Speaker 4: phones so that Hayes suggested another one loyal viewer Uncle Ted.
Speaker 4: This was a name that cross my mind too. I'd
Speaker 4: try to steal Kyle Carros. I think Kyle Carros has
Speaker 4: a lot of value for the Colorado Rockies. But if
Speaker 4: the Yankees are willing to pay the price, you're shaking
Speaker 4: your head. You don't think Kyle Carross.
Speaker 3: I just don't know if they'll trade them, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean i'd try, I'd absolutely try.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was like a name that jumped to the
Speaker 4: forefront of my mind. And the first Rocky third Basement
Speaker 4: didn't work, But the second, Rocky third basement might work.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, Man, it's really interesting with the Yankees.
Speaker 4: But let's send in Jeffers and then you want to
Speaker 4: send in what Chapman as well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Jeffers and Chapman are the best fits,
Speaker 3: you know, And then I think for the lower by
Speaker 3: low opportunity of like a match Shaw, I think Cubs
Speaker 3: fans are going to a little bit over value.
Speaker 5: I'm seeing the comments like, no.
Speaker 3: Rrem Cubs fans would want a much better level pitcher
Speaker 3: than Warren for Shaw. Seriously, Match Shaw is a career
Speaker 3: so far, ninety six WRC plus at the big league level.
Speaker 3: I think he's a good player, but you know, there's
Speaker 3: something to be said also about a guy that can
Speaker 3: just go out and compete and give you anyings away.
Speaker 3: Warren Ken I think he's better than the era suggests,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of underlying yeah numbers
Speaker 3: to buy that, but regardlessly, I think those are the
Speaker 3: two best options for them to send in and give
Speaker 3: him the highest ceiling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 4: I want to pivot to a team that I think
Speaker 4: could be a very big swinger based on reports at
Speaker 4: this deadline here the Tampa Bay race. When you take
Speaker 4: a peek at what Tampa is doing in the American
Speaker 4: League East, they're clear the Yankees by two and a
Speaker 4: half games. They're sixty two and forty three, nineteen over
Speaker 4: five hundred. They just put on a pitching clinic against
Speaker 4: an anemic offense in Cleveland this weekend. Rasmussen looks like
Speaker 4: a cy young contender. Nick Martinez looks like the All
Speaker 4: Star that he deserved to be. And the Tampa Bay
Speaker 4: Rays again sit atop the American League. There's sixty two
Speaker 4: and forty three. Mind you, the bottom wild card team
Speaker 4: is fifty four and fifty three, so they are a
Speaker 4: shoe in. The Tampa Bay Rays are to get to
Speaker 4: the postseason, and it's just a matter of if they
Speaker 4: can run through the tape on that one. So the
Speaker 4: Tampa Bay Rays, let's open up this conversation again. I
Speaker 4: think they're swinging big. What does swinging big look like?
Speaker 4: Guys that swing right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And you look at the lineup.
Speaker 3: It's still kind of wild that. I mean, they've got
Speaker 3: their their three headed monster at the top we talk about,
Speaker 3: but you look at the rest of the lineup, I'm
Speaker 3: so happy for Victor Mason Junior, by the way, and
Speaker 3: the success that he's having over there and getting the
Speaker 3: opportunity that he's.
Speaker 5: Had with the Rays.
Speaker 3: He's been awesome for you, one hundred and thirty played appearances.
Speaker 3: But you look at it's like Mullins to Chandler Simpson
Speaker 3: to Mesa to Walls to Pelasius to Fiducia, and this
Speaker 3: is one of the best teams in baseball.
Speaker 5: So imagine what this team could be with some better offense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's lengthen it out. You want to see my
Speaker 4: wish list or too soon, let's see it. Okay, my
Speaker 4: wish list for Tampa. Luisa Rise, I think is the
Speaker 4: shoe in and then Lars Newbar is going to be
Speaker 4: on the go man from Saint Louis. I like the
Speaker 4: idea of a Rise playing second for them and spelling
Speaker 4: Pelasio's and Williamson. And then I love the idea of
Speaker 4: Newt Bar manning an outfield spot. And Victor Mason Junior
Speaker 4: has been better than anybody expected. Cedric Mullins has not
Speaker 4: been good. Masa could probably plug it in center. Newt
Speaker 4: Bar can then play a corner. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: different ways that newt Bar can fit in. Defensively, a
Speaker 4: Rise can play second. He's been really good there. I
Speaker 4: think this totally lengthens out their lineup.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I think new Bar makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense for the Cardinals to move. I just yeah,
Speaker 3: at this point already in r do you have a
Speaker 3: lot of young guys you want to.
Speaker 5: Clear some space.
Speaker 3: He's been good and also Newport is just the classic
Speaker 3: like we've been waiting for the breakout, breakout. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, he's played five hundred and seventy big
Speaker 3: league games at a one to ten WRC plus, which
Speaker 3: is solid. But that's the classic guy that gets to
Speaker 3: Tampa and then there it is. There's the breakout that
Speaker 3: all the underlying metrics and people have been pointing to
Speaker 3: for forever. So I think that's a good shout. My
Speaker 3: one question is do they need to get a little
Speaker 3: bit more right handed?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: They do offset the left handed heavy lineup with an
Speaker 3: alrighty bench at this current moment, but do they need
Speaker 3: to get more right I think at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, when your offense is you know this top heavy,
Speaker 3: any bats or any bats and like a Rise to me,
Speaker 3: I know he's better against righties, but to me, he's
Speaker 3: not as much of a platoon concern because he's going
Speaker 3: to give you a good at bat most of the time. Right,
Speaker 3: But do they need a righty in the fold? Is
Speaker 3: my only question?
Speaker 4: So can I tell you I actually like their lineup
Speaker 4: against lefties better than their lineup against Righty's right now,
Speaker 4: because you're going to have common air and YONDI and Ronda.
Speaker 4: But I think Vlaid is an upgrade as a short
Speaker 4: end of the platoon guy, and I think De Luca
Speaker 4: is an upgrade as a short laton.
Speaker 5: So those guys are are playing well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Like Vlaid in one hundred and seventy five
Speaker 4: played appearances is ripping off a one to twenty WRC
Speaker 4: plus and De Luca's got a one oh two WRC plus.
Speaker 4: So I'm looking at them and it's like, Okay, you
Speaker 4: get better against lefties now, So you tell me you
Speaker 4: get an everyday bat and a rise and then a
Speaker 4: bulk platoon guy in nootbar effectively who could play against
Speaker 4: lefties if you want. I feel better about what they
Speaker 4: run out against left hind pitching already, So let's just
Speaker 4: kick Righty's ass with a Rise in Nutbar.
Speaker 3: I prefer I prefer Rise one other shout because it
Speaker 3: seems like money isn't going to handcuff this team as
Speaker 3: much as it usually does. Glaber Torres is not going
Speaker 3: to cost a lot in terms of a prospect return
Speaker 3: because he's a QO guy, so he's going to be
Speaker 3: able a good chunk of change the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: I don't think you have to give the Tigers a
Speaker 3: ton there to be able to bring Glabor in.
Speaker 5: Glabor could be a fun.
Speaker 3: Right handed bat to add to the fold here as
Speaker 3: well at second base. I would prefer a Rise and
Speaker 3: everything that he's done, but I think Labor is interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 4: The big conversation here, and again I was realistic in
Speaker 4: my wish list. The big conversation is, are they the
Speaker 4: team to go get school bl they have the assets
Speaker 4: to do it. Are they a team that goes and
Speaker 4: you know, thinks about a Freddie Peralta or even a
Speaker 4: Debt Mers or even a Jose Soriano guys like that, Hell,
Speaker 4: even a Joe Ryant like they can go big fish
Speaker 4: hunting on the starting pitching fronts. Their October rotation looks
Speaker 4: good right now. They can put it over the top
Speaker 4: with a rental school bawl. Yeah, they can get it
Speaker 4: close to being over the top with Peralta if he
Speaker 4: bounces back. School Bull and Tampa is the interesting fit.
Speaker 3: I it's the one I can't escape because they can
Speaker 3: make that rental trade that doesn't hurt as much as
Speaker 3: it hurts another team. And I think they can, you know,
Speaker 3: make it work a way that like they preserve the
Speaker 3: farm sull like Ian Seymour could be a piece plus
Speaker 3: you know some really quality prospects as well, right and like, but.
Speaker 4: I brought up with Peter on the round up, I
Speaker 4: was like, when they go opener in front of Ian
Speaker 4: Seymour as the bookman, they just win.
Speaker 2: Shit, that could be a playoff start. They might just win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing that that might just be their
Speaker 3: their method there. But what what Schooble would do to
Speaker 3: this team, like in the playoffs with what you would
Speaker 3: have there, it would just be ridiculous with with Scooball, McClanahan,
Speaker 3: Rasmussen and then you could have if you know, Martinez
Speaker 3: and on a short lease if you want, in the
Speaker 3: playoffs or Jack so like you could you could mix
Speaker 3: and match however you want, and then the bullpen as well.
Speaker 3: I think this is the team and this is the
Speaker 3: time to do it. Like we've talked about it with
Speaker 3: the Brewers and the Rays and whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: But this is the time to do it. And I
Speaker 3: think like new ownership earns goodwill with with these fans
Speaker 3: and easier trying to build the stadium, do all these
Speaker 3: different things, Like this is the way to do it.
Speaker 3: Tampa's been overdue for a off on. This is a
Speaker 3: team that very much I think is capable of doing it.
Speaker 3: And you have a healthy McClanahan that you've been clamoring
Speaker 3: for for so long, Like this could be a special year,
Speaker 3: like do something, do something bold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Schooble would probably cost you to top one
Speaker 4: hundred guys and they have those that exist, Like you
Speaker 4: wonder what they would have to give up for a
Speaker 4: guy like Tarrek School What do you think a package
Speaker 4: could look like? And again we're not putting packages together,
Speaker 4: but like they have one of the best systems in
Speaker 4: Major League Baseball. They've got plenty of top one hundred talents,
Speaker 4: they've got plenty of top two hundred talents in Major
Speaker 4: League Baseball, or in minor league baseball as well. So
Speaker 4: I'm just curious, like, if you get across the ticker
Speaker 4: the Tampa Bay Rays have acquired Tarrek Schooble for the Tigers,
Speaker 4: what does the return possibly look like?
Speaker 3: Well, and these are the craziest part too, is is
Speaker 3: they just crushed the draft where obviously they had the
Speaker 3: number two pick and they got Grady Emerson, who I
Speaker 3: think is arguably the best player in the class. But
Speaker 3: they also at the buzzer signed two overswat kids to
Speaker 3: just turn this into one of the more ridiculous classes
Speaker 3: we've seen, you know, from this year.
Speaker 5: So they have so much more talent coming in.
Speaker 3: So just knowing that, I think it would like I
Speaker 3: think people will be a little surprised because it's not
Speaker 3: going to be like the mega, mega Hall that he
Speaker 3: would imply. But I think like if it's Brody Hopkins
Speaker 3: and similar to what we actually saw pitch from Hembo,
Speaker 3: like Brody Hopkins and Cooper Fleming, and you know you
Speaker 3: throw in a filler like those are two top one
Speaker 3: hundred guys for US. Brody Hopkins is the highest ceiling
Speaker 3: as anybody in minor league baseball pitching glass. It's just
Speaker 3: a matter of the walks that are a major, major issue.
Speaker 3: But I still think would be a guy that's fascinating
Speaker 3: to add to the fold and close to big Leg
Speaker 3: Reddy depending on the role that you want to you.
Speaker 5: Know, deploy him in.
Speaker 3: But it also depends on what the tiger's like, Like
Speaker 3: Taton Gray looks like a monster. They switch hitting eighteen
Speaker 3: year old showing plus power already at low a like
Speaker 3: that could be a guy that they like. You can
Speaker 3: interchange a lot of different players for that role if
Speaker 3: they trade away from from the outfield, like could Jake
Speaker 3: A Melton be of interest to them as well? They've
Speaker 3: so many different plug and play options. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they want to catching prospect obviously because they have Dingler,
Speaker 3: but like Bodie and Fowelling are two of the best
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, you know, in the minor leagues,
Speaker 3: they could do whatever they want. But I think it's
Speaker 3: you know, one solid top one hundred guy, one of
Speaker 3: the like Fringy depending on who you asked, top one
Speaker 3: hundred guys, and a filler, and I think it gets
Speaker 3: it done.
Speaker 4: And you can still go and get some bats as well.
Speaker 4: A rise do you think like a rise for a
Speaker 4: Ty Johnson type straight up would make sense.
Speaker 3: A rise is a hard one for me to value
Speaker 3: because rental bats again always go for less than we think.
Speaker 3: But he's like the only rental back at that capacity.
Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, Ty Johnson and somebody else with
Speaker 3: the way Johnson's throwing the ball this year, if it's
Speaker 3: like Johnson and Santiago Suarez or something like, it could work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then neot Bar, like you could do neot
Speaker 2: Bar as well.
Speaker 4: But if they go and get schoobl and a Rise,
Speaker 4: that's enough for me for Tampa to be a legit
Speaker 4: World Series contender.
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. And that's what's again.
Speaker 3: Where if it's like Seymour plus you know, Fleming in
Speaker 3: a third piece like, it depends on how the Tigers
Speaker 3: value seem more. But the way he's throwing the ball,
Speaker 3: he's been really impressive. The Rays can mix and match
Speaker 3: and pull off a deal. I think in a lot
Speaker 3: of different ways that would be appealing to the Tigers
Speaker 3: because I think they've got seven top one hundred caliber
Speaker 3: guys and then several controllable guys of the big league team.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 4: The Boston Red Sox were out of it, and then
Speaker 4: they rattle off fifteen consecutive wins and then they're in it.
Speaker 4: And the Boston Red Sox as it sits right now
Speaker 4: in the scope of the American League East, are seven back,
Speaker 4: and they are two back in the final wildcard spot.
Speaker 4: They are fifty five and fifty part and they're too
Speaker 4: clear of the final wildcard spot. They hold the second
Speaker 4: spot they are again fifty five and fifty. Final spot
Speaker 4: belongs to Cleveland at fifty four and fifty three. Boston
Speaker 4: Red Sox have been one of the hottest teams in
Speaker 4: Major League Baseball so far this year. They have done
Speaker 4: so many things particularly well, and there are so many
Speaker 4: different assets of the team that have been performing to
Speaker 4: a place to get them to being the hottest team
Speaker 4: in baseball. And what I mean by that lineup wise,
Speaker 4: Wilson Contreras has been unbelievable. They have some other guys
Speaker 4: that have been ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Will Y R.
Speaker 4: Bray You has been amazing during this stretch. Rafaela has
Speaker 4: been awesome pretty much all season long. Caleb Durbin has
Speaker 4: turned it on over the last two months here after
Speaker 4: having a brutal front two months to his Red Sox career.
Speaker 4: Rotation wise, totally's been great. Sonny Gray has been great.
Speaker 4: I know it is a blip on the radar his
Speaker 4: last time out, but then you also have a guy
Speaker 4: like Jake Bennett emerged the point where you feel comfortable
Speaker 4: trading Connie Early who's on the shelf for Curtis Meat.
Speaker 4: They kick started the deadline already going to get Mead
Speaker 4: from Washington for Connolly early, but in the bullpen Man
Speaker 4: Chapman and Whitlock are disgusting, and they've got other guys
Speaker 4: that have been performing incredibly well. Weissert's been good as
Speaker 4: of late. Giovanni Moran has been good as of late.
Speaker 4: The Red Socks are a fascinating story, and the job security,
Speaker 4: I guess of Craig Breslow is the thing that's always looming.
Speaker 4: And you mentioned it actually on the call up, what
Speaker 4: a playoff run would do for Craig Breslo and his
Speaker 4: future with the Boston Red Sox. So do you view
Speaker 4: this as an opportunity for them to go big fish hunting?
Speaker 5: I think I think they've I feel like they probably
Speaker 5: got it.
Speaker 3: Sounds as crazy as it sounds like a big fish
Speaker 3: to a degree, like I think the deadline in the
Speaker 3: way that it shakes out. Sometimes you just the deals
Speaker 3: don't materialize the way that you want and you don't
Speaker 3: want to overpay our panic at the buzzer. And I
Speaker 3: think where Brezelo just set himself up now is like
Speaker 3: I think they're going to try to push and make
Speaker 3: some moves, but they're not going to overplay their hand
Speaker 3: because they know that at least they got that right
Speaker 3: handed bat they sorely needed and Curtis meats. So I
Speaker 3: think because of what we talked about on the call up,
Speaker 3: like they're going to try to make a push for
Speaker 3: some other guys, Like I think they're far from done,
Speaker 3: because I think Brezelos is an opportunity here, and it's
Speaker 3: like a guy that was I mean, they had to
Speaker 3: clarify that they weren't going to fire him a couple
Speaker 3: of months ago, and you know that was like, oh okay,
Speaker 3: and now it's here's an opportunity for this guy to provey.
Speaker 3: Optics were not great, communication not great, but I know
Speaker 3: how to build a team. We got off to a
Speaker 3: bad start. I fixed it, look and that's going to
Speaker 3: be a hard argument to count if they make a
Speaker 3: little bit of a run here. So I think the
Speaker 3: glaring spot though, which we've talked about a shortstop, and
Speaker 3: it's not like shortstop gets clearly better anytime soon. I
Speaker 3: think Marcela Meyer is a guy that has the potential,
Speaker 3: but I've always been a little bit lower on as
Speaker 3: a prospect, and the biggest thing on top of my
Speaker 3: concern about the approach and with is health. And this
Speaker 3: has been dated back since he was a prospect. He's
Speaker 3: always been hurt so and story is, you can't really
Speaker 3: count on him obviously. So that's the spot where I think,
Speaker 3: if you can get a controllable shortstop, you can swing
Speaker 3: for the fences there, because it's not just for this year,
Speaker 3: it's for next year too. But at the same time
Speaker 3: they have arguably, you know, there's all of a sudden
Speaker 3: it's becoming an argument that Franklin Aarius could be the
Speaker 3: best shortsop prospect in baseball.
Speaker 5: It's Tasers my day.
Speaker 3: But like I wouldn't fault anybody for saying it's Franklinarius
Speaker 3: and so like that that's a hard part too.
Speaker 5: Do you want to block that kid?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is the time for a hard conversation
Speaker 4: if you're ready to push the chips in and get
Speaker 4: three and a half or four and a half years
Speaker 4: of control of a certain star shortstop, if you do
Speaker 4: go make that move.
Speaker 2: My wish list here, one of them is kind of boring.
Speaker 4: I would like to add another lefty to the bullpen
Speaker 4: as well, and just set up like this three headed
Speaker 4: bullpen lefty monster, where Chapman's the closer He's going to
Speaker 4: throw the ninth inning. But in lefty situations, I'd like
Speaker 4: someone a little bit more sure handed than Giovanni Morin
Speaker 4: because this is a bit of a breakout for him.
Speaker 4: So before I show you the actual image for our
Speaker 4: YouTube and X audience, right now, Brooks Raley is the
Speaker 4: guy that I would like to just add. I mean,
Speaker 4: they grab the guy in Steven Matts, who was really
Speaker 4: good for them after the deadline, mind you last year
Speaker 4: before signing as a starting pitcher with the Tampa Bay Rays.
Speaker 4: But the other guy that I want to go get
Speaker 4: is Neto. I would love to see zach Netto put
Speaker 4: on a Boston Red Sox uniform at the end of
Speaker 4: this trade deadline. Here zach Netto is pacing the American
Speaker 4: League in strikeouts. Right now, zach Netto, playing his fourth
Speaker 4: major league season on a per one sixty two basis,
Speaker 4: is a five win shortstop, averaging thirty five doubles, twenty
Speaker 4: six homers, and twenty five stolen bases with a seven
Speaker 4: to sixty oh ps.
Speaker 3: I think Neto could be special in Boston. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it would cost the biggest thing. So if you're that's
Speaker 3: the I think you'd cost a lot. We know that
Speaker 3: the defense is the interesting wrinkle as well. But at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, like this could be a
Speaker 3: guy that they look at and say, well, we could
Speaker 3: eventually sign him over to third, you know, and don't
Speaker 3: have to necessarily for sure block Arrius forever.
Speaker 5: Like that could be a conversation that's had later.
Speaker 3: Uh Neto is one where you think about how he
Speaker 3: would play at Fenway and it would be really interesting.
Speaker 5: My concern is.
Speaker 3: It's gonna cost a lot and will that potentially get
Speaker 3: them out of their comfort zone a little bit for
Speaker 3: what it may require to go get you know, somebody
Speaker 3: like him. But at the same time, like they still
Speaker 3: the Red SUCs still have pitching that they could trade
Speaker 3: from which I know the Angels would still love to add,
Speaker 3: and some solid pieces as well, Like I mean, Anthony
Speaker 3: Iinson has become one of the more popular pitching prospects
Speaker 3: in baseball with the way that he has, you know,
Speaker 3: immediately made an impact and had success now and into
Speaker 3: the upper levels.
Speaker 5: And they have all these.
Speaker 3: Even big league debuted type of arms already that could
Speaker 3: jump in and help them. And you could, you could
Speaker 3: pay down Brian Beayo, and you could you could put
Speaker 3: together a package that just is very angels intriguing for them,
Speaker 3: and give them current big league pieces, top prospects, and
Speaker 3: just make it, make it fascinating. I even look at
Speaker 3: like in an Eduardo Rivera, like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: that guy I think has trade value. So you could
Speaker 3: piece together some really fun packages headlined by top prospects
Speaker 3: but complimented by you know, some some really solid players.
Speaker 3: My thing to you, though, Jack, is like, are you
Speaker 3: trading Arius in a deal for Netto? And I know,
Speaker 3: like I'm mister prospect guy, gonna value those guys whatever.
Speaker 3: But I feel like I've, especially over the last few years,
Speaker 3: like kind of skewed towards just cash in, cash in.
Speaker 3: We're begging the top teams to do that. Arius has
Speaker 3: a burned potential, meaning like what he could be. That
Speaker 3: makes it hard.
Speaker 4: It's hard to find a twenty five homer shortstop, like
Speaker 4: it really is, and Arius could be that guy. He's
Speaker 4: got nineteen homers in the minor leagues this year, but
Speaker 4: he could be that guy.
Speaker 2: We know.
Speaker 4: Neto is that guy. He's pacing for his third straight
Speaker 4: year of twenty five homers in his third straight full season,
Speaker 4: and Neto. You mentioned the defense is taking a downturn.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's still a three
Speaker 4: B war season already for him in one hundred and
Speaker 4: four games.
Speaker 2: And he's twenty five years old.
Speaker 4: You have to think that it's a blip in the
Speaker 4: radar because he's been a good defender each of the
Speaker 4: last two years. Like, if Neto sex defensively next year,
Speaker 4: that's just a like, I don't know, I guess, I
Speaker 4: guess that's unfortunate, and that could be like the new reality.
Speaker 4: But this is at this point the anomaly season for
Speaker 4: Zach Netto and he's still possibly pacing for a twenty
Speaker 4: five to twenty five season.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of value in that.
Speaker 4: And if Neto were twenty nine years old, I would
Speaker 4: think maybe not, But he's twenty five, and he's twenty
Speaker 4: five for the entirety of this year, and again he's
Speaker 4: got three and a half more.
Speaker 2: Years of control here. So it does cost for a
Speaker 2: guy like Netto.
Speaker 4: It probably does cost a top ten to top fifteen
Speaker 4: prospect in Major League Baseball, and Arius is top five
Speaker 4: for you. But I would be really curious to see
Speaker 4: if they were willing to do it. Arius is a
Speaker 4: hell of a prospect. He's probably not to the level
Speaker 4: that Leo Devrees is, but it was Derees and Branden
Speaker 4: Net and Bias right like and another guy. So I'm
Speaker 4: just wondering if Arius and the thirty first best prospect
Speaker 4: in the system could get them Neto.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the interesting thing is, and it's a good point.
Speaker 3: By showtime, like Netto's punching more than ever and chasing
Speaker 3: more than everybody, he's still producing.
Speaker 5: So it's that's the very fascinating part of it.
Speaker 3: I think at this point now Arius is arguably maybe
Speaker 3: even better prospect than Debris. So that's what makes it
Speaker 3: really just because of what he's done defensively and power
Speaker 3: wise to where I think I think I lean that way.
Speaker 3: If you're split in one A one B or two
Speaker 3: A two B, I guess it would be in this
Speaker 3: respect sure. I think the interesting part of it though,
Speaker 3: is that you could probably pull this trade off without
Speaker 3: doing that in the aggregate of just total value. If
Speaker 3: you blow the Angels away with pitching and like a
Speaker 3: send Marcelo higher, then like send others some some high
Speaker 3: upside options for them where they that were the Angels,
Speaker 3: they just need talent.
Speaker 5: You can become a top.
Speaker 2: I'll still do it without Arius. Yeah, you could.
Speaker 5: You could try really hard.
Speaker 3: And I think if it's Ironsin, which is a headliner
Speaker 3: pitching prospect, and you've got Meyer and you know, Justin Gonzalez,
Speaker 3: I thought, like, there's so many different guys that they
Speaker 3: could be together in there.
Speaker 5: I think it would be really interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too. Are there any other names
Speaker 4: that jump to the forefront of your mind? Like, again,
Speaker 4: Rayley could just be another bullpen iron In the Fiery, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that could be cool too. Doesn't really matter to me.
Speaker 3: I just think that I would love to see them
Speaker 3: add you know that like that. But if they don't,
Speaker 3: I just I don't know if there's like a middle
Speaker 3: ground for that, Like I don't. I think they're just
Speaker 3: kind of then roll with with what they've got, add
Speaker 3: to the bullpen a little bit and hope that Curtis
Speaker 3: Meat can be that big guy for them, because otherwise
Speaker 3: it's hard to like, who's going to be your stop
Speaker 3: gap shortstop in the meantime, I think at that point,
Speaker 3: you're just hoping that story comes back and does.
Speaker 4: Something, yeah, or you just keep rolling monastereo out there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm not too sure. But again, if they're
Speaker 4: going to take a big swing, it could be a
Speaker 4: shortstop and that could be the plan for the future.
Speaker 4: And there's also, like I guess, some malleability in the
Speaker 4: in the infield as well, Like Mead can play first,
Speaker 4: he can not really play third, but he can technically
Speaker 4: play third. He could play second. Durban could play second.
Speaker 4: Deurban could play third. And you just wonder what they
Speaker 4: can do at short steps. So we'll see if they
Speaker 4: want to swing big here, you ready to push onto
Speaker 4: the American League Central.
Speaker 5: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Let's do it all right, let's go to oh the
Speaker 4: Chicago White Sox. The White Sox currently sits atop the
Speaker 4: American League Central right now, and the White Sox continue
Speaker 4: to swing it. As it stands right now in the
Speaker 4: American League Central, the White Sox are fifty five and fifty.
Speaker 4: They're too clear the Cleveland Guardians who are fifty four
Speaker 4: in fifty three again, they are the division leader in
Speaker 4: the American League Central. The Chicago White Sox have hit
Speaker 4: their way here. They have some starting pitching issues bullpen.
Speaker 4: They've got some studs a La Grand Taylor, a La
Speaker 4: some others, but they could use help in a couple
Speaker 4: of different ways. The first one that came to my
Speaker 4: mind was starting pitching. And I don't know if the
Speaker 4: White Sox are in a position to go and get
Speaker 4: a guy like Freddy Peralta. I think that they could
Speaker 4: be hunting in the second or third starting pitcher market,
Speaker 4: so like schoobl Ryan probably doesn't make sense for the
Speaker 4: White Sox, Peralta, debt Meer's Gosman probably doesn't make sense
Speaker 4: for the White Sox. So a name that came to
Speaker 4: mind for me who has been throwing better over the
Speaker 4: last month or two is Brady's singer. And then I
Speaker 4: also have any catcher ever they need a catcher right now,
Speaker 4: it's Romo and Caro teels hurt again. Carol's been very bad.
Speaker 4: Romo has been not very good either, So catcher Brady's singer.
Speaker 2: That's my wish list for the White Sox.
Speaker 3: So the one that's interesting, and this is where the
Speaker 3: White Sox need to look in the mirror and say, like,
Speaker 3: what do we want to do this year?
Speaker 5: Who do we want to be?
Speaker 3: Because all of a sudden, you know you're leading the
Speaker 3: division by two games, and the value proposition if you
Speaker 3: win the division, you've got a shot. I don't care
Speaker 3: where you're at what you thought this season was going
Speaker 3: to be. If you win the freaking Division, you've got
Speaker 3: a shot to make a playoff run. And you're put
Speaker 3: in a really comfortable situation where having that starting pitcher
Speaker 3: that you can rely on can really help. And I
Speaker 3: think they need that third arm where Sean Burke has
Speaker 3: been incredible. Davis Martin is, I'm fine, Like, you're probably
Speaker 3: gonna be a little bit of a schedule disadvantage, but fine,
Speaker 3: give them the ball game two. But what if you
Speaker 3: could get a guy that could allow you to keep
Speaker 3: Tata smartin the ball in game three, or you get
Speaker 3: a guy that just gives you a lot of confidence
Speaker 3: in game three. Debt Mers is that guy, And now
Speaker 3: I understand if the Angels want to keep him. I
Speaker 3: know that the White Sox don't want to trade from
Speaker 3: the farm significantly. And this is where I already know
Speaker 3: if we clip this out and we put it on socials.
Speaker 3: White Sox fans are so beat up. And I've seen
Speaker 3: like fans of like rebuilds that the teams that have
Speaker 3: rebuilt and stuck it out, I get it. They become
Speaker 3: so attached through these prospects that they forget that it's
Speaker 3: really rare for them to reach the potential that you
Speaker 3: think they're going to reach, and the value of being
Speaker 3: able to add in a read Debt Mers with years
Speaker 3: of control will make a big difference for an organization
Speaker 3: getting him out of and I think Maddox has helped
Speaker 3: Debt Maers a ton, so I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 3: be as much of getting him out of there as
Speaker 3: gonna make him better.
Speaker 5: I think Maddox has helped a ton. That was one
Speaker 5: of the best things the Angels have done in a while.
Speaker 3: But I just think also getting another set of eyes
Speaker 3: and just seeing how he can develop there with Banister
Speaker 3: and what we've seen kind of the development I think
Speaker 3: with Arms at the big Leagubble and squeezing more out
Speaker 3: with the White.
Speaker 5: Sox has been there.
Speaker 3: There's a fair amount of prospects I'd be comfortable trading
Speaker 3: for Redebtmers, and I know like White Sox fans would
Speaker 3: freak out, But like I was talking about this with
Speaker 3: Elijah Evans great self with future Socks, and I know
Speaker 3: he did not agree with me, which I understand.
Speaker 5: I would trade Caleb Bonamer and for Redebtmers.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a burned potential there, and that's always something
Speaker 3: that you're weighing. He could hit thirty homers and be
Speaker 3: a solid third baseman, but he also pulls everything he
Speaker 3: swings and misses a good bit and he has struggled
Speaker 3: against spin and like plenty time to figure it out.
Speaker 5: Really young, but that's a question mark.
Speaker 3: Redebt Meerse is a really good left handed pitcher who
Speaker 3: might even get better with years of control. That can
Speaker 3: help you this year, that can help you next year,
Speaker 3: which next year if you're the White Sox, next year
Speaker 3: should be We're serious, like we can make a we
Speaker 3: can be one of the better teams in the American League.
Speaker 3: If that's not your goal, then you're wasting your time.
Speaker 3: You just had one of the best drafts ever imaginable
Speaker 3: because you have the biggest bonus pool of all time,
Speaker 3: and you add an auto top ten prospect in Rock Tulaski,
Speaker 3: but all the talent behind it.
Speaker 5: I would be fine moving a Bonhomer type for red Detmers.
Speaker 3: And I know White Sox fans are gonna have a
Speaker 3: visceral reaction because I know I've seen the rebuilding for
Speaker 3: way too long. Fan bases and what happens when you
Speaker 3: get too attached to your prospects.
Speaker 5: I get it. This would make you better, and I
Speaker 5: think more often than that would be the right move
Speaker 5: to make.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Detmers is the really interesting one. Catching wise, did
Speaker 4: your eyes go anywhere in particular? I guess any will
Speaker 4: that's anywhere?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Stevenson. Go get Tyler Stevenson. Why not?
Speaker 3: But rental because I think Teal is still that guy.
Speaker 3: He's got to prove that it can be healthy. I
Speaker 3: don't think that that is his fault here. I just
Speaker 3: think he had a shit luckier with the with the
Speaker 3: hamstring and then in an ankle and the WBC and
Speaker 3: then the ankle.
Speaker 5: It just it is what it is.
Speaker 3: You need a rental catcher, I would go. And that's
Speaker 3: where you can maybe go get a bullpen arm attached
Speaker 3: with Stevenson, and I think that's what makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I dig it, man. So that's a fun one.
Speaker 4: Tyler Stevenson, bullpen arm and then give up the prospect
Speaker 4: capital for red deadvers. All right, let's push over the
Speaker 4: Cleveland Guardians here. Cleveland, mind, you occupies the last spot
Speaker 4: in the wildcard spot as it stands right now. The
Speaker 4: Cleveland Guardians currently sit at fifty four and fifty three.
Speaker 4: They're a game up on the Minnesota Twins, who are
Speaker 4: also in that division, and in the division, Cleveland is
Speaker 4: two back of the White Sox, who again are fifty
Speaker 4: five and fifty.
Speaker 2: For the Cleveland Guardians, they got a hit. They got
Speaker 2: a hit, they got a hit.
Speaker 4: They are the first team and god knows how long
Speaker 4: to run out five starting pitchers. On July twenty eighth,
Speaker 4: they have had five guys start a baseball game for them.
Speaker 2: It has been so lucky, so healthy, so good for them.
Speaker 4: In the starting rotation in All Star in Messic a
Speaker 4: frontline guy, and Gavin Williams a tried and true mid
Speaker 4: rotation guy. I know the record doesn't look great for
Speaker 4: Tanner Biby, but Seconi and Cantillo have been really good
Speaker 4: as well. So starting pitching, I guess right now not
Speaker 4: really a problem. Depth is important. They haven't needed depth
Speaker 4: to this point. And then the bullpen it's just rinse
Speaker 4: and repeat. Colin Holderman is a sub to era for them.
Speaker 4: They're they're absolutely nasty. They need proof of life offensively,
Speaker 4: and there are way more established guys. But I look
Speaker 4: at how left handed their lineup is, I look at
Speaker 4: how not good their lineup is, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, you know what, what if you ride this heater
Speaker 2: from Luis Robert Junior? Your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I think that's a fun one. Also, real quick, just
Speaker 3: looking at the roster resource, I think one of the
Speaker 3: most underdiscussed stories in baseball this year is Austin Hedges
Speaker 3: with a one to fifteen WRC plus.
Speaker 2: He's been crazy. Yeah, holy shit, look at him, man. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think the Robert challenge is is I mean, I
Speaker 3: think the Mets would be willing to do that in
Speaker 3: that deal. It's like, pay it down and get had
Speaker 3: a better return, because like, are the are the Guardians
Speaker 3: going to take on what's left of that deal? It's
Speaker 3: not that much, though, so just get get the Mets
Speaker 3: to pay down a little bit and dish out of prospect.
Speaker 3: It's not very Guardian's esque. And if the division is
Speaker 3: slipping away, like I think it really is, getting the
Speaker 3: game here with them, But if they're a game or
Speaker 3: two out still or even in a better spot, I
Speaker 3: love the shout.
Speaker 5: It just does it seem Guardians coded to you?
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 4: But that's kind of why I think they do it
Speaker 4: because it's going to be so cheap, like they're they're
Speaker 4: not going to cost.
Speaker 5: Them any prospects wise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they could just they could just trade
Speaker 3: a couple forty man like probably Kwan Brito and whatever
Speaker 3: and my college day.
Speaker 4: Like I think they're looking at I think they're looking
Speaker 4: at the Lane Thomas thing, and it's like, how can
Speaker 4: we just do that again? Because Tana was never going
Speaker 4: to be a big piece for them, and then Klemy
Speaker 4: is like non existent in that national system right now.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, Like I look at I look
Speaker 4: at the Lane Thomas thing, and I say, where is
Speaker 4: Lane Thomas this year? And I don't know if Lane
Speaker 4: Thomas exists this year, So might as well get a
Speaker 4: guy that could be Lane Thomas for even less of
Speaker 4: a return.
Speaker 3: I like that shout because Taylor Ward fits the bill,
Speaker 3: but he's going to be more expensive prospect wise, and
Speaker 3: I just don't see them buying heavier on a rental
Speaker 3: though again it would be a l that would be
Speaker 3: the Lane Thomas move in terms of like what they'd
Speaker 3: have to give up value wise, So right can't rule
Speaker 3: it out. But I think this team's gonna have to
Speaker 3: have a nice week here because I really think it
Speaker 3: is that day to day with this front office. But
Speaker 3: I still stand by everything I've said with this team
Speaker 3: that I really do believe that they are good enough
Speaker 3: to make one of the more competitive runs that they've made,
Speaker 3: because when these guys are all clicking, they're they're a
Speaker 3: better offense, I think than we've seen in previous years.
Speaker 3: They got to get Jay Ram going and that's going
Speaker 3: to be the big variable. But I agree like they
Speaker 3: need a right handed bat with a higher ceiling, and
Speaker 3: I think if it's not Robert, I think a really
Speaker 3: good fit is Taylor Ward and then from there it's
Speaker 3: like Seer Steer would have been excellent fit if not
Speaker 3: a huge wrinkle in this. Yeah, really stinks, Like I
Speaker 3: don't see them liking Joe Adele and like that. It's
Speaker 3: it that just kind of drops off from there. I
Speaker 3: think those are kind of the clear guys. Is like
Speaker 3: a right handed kind of cheaper to acquire bat that
Speaker 3: can can jolt them a little bit.
Speaker 2: And my non starter was they had to be right handed,
Speaker 2: like so left handed I.
Speaker 3: Agree, unless it's just a huge power guy that you
Speaker 3: just feel really good about. But I mean like, I
Speaker 3: just don't see They're like, I don't see that lining
Speaker 3: up for them necessarily, and and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Quandts starting to pick it up a little bit.
Speaker 5: And so you think you feel good about that. I
Speaker 5: think you just need a right handed bat.
Speaker 3: I agree, And I think that's kind of a nonstar
Speaker 3: because even like your non lefties are switch hitters, there's
Speaker 3: days where there's days where if they face to face
Speaker 3: already right now one through nine, is it will be
Speaker 3: hitting left handed?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and recent Hoskins at this point is not the
Speaker 3: short platoon guy that you hoped he was. And that's
Speaker 3: the other thing too. So if it's not, if you
Speaker 3: want to go even more like bargain shopping, they just
Speaker 3: need a short platoon bat better than Rheese Hoskins at
Speaker 3: the very least, and better than Gabriel Arius.
Speaker 4: Yeah you got anything else on Cleveland. I think they're
Speaker 4: gonna be very quiet pitching wise. They could trade like
Speaker 4: some of these excess bullpen arms, but that's more selling
Speaker 4: than buying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see anything too crazy, Like they have Logan
Speaker 3: Allen as the insurance policy. I could see maybe just
Speaker 3: under the radar. You know, like they I know you
Speaker 3: can't speak on this, but like they could be the
Speaker 3: team that go and gets Braxing Garrett for insurance or
Speaker 3: something like that. I just don't see them doing like anything,
Speaker 3: because who are you going to supplant in the rotation?
Speaker 5: It would make sense from an asset proposition.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, all right, we will pitch to the American
Speaker 4: League West in a moment, but before that, one more
Speaker 4: word from our friends at Hampton Farms. All right, let's
Speaker 4: pivot the conversation here to the Texas Rangers. We got
Speaker 4: the Rangers in the Seattle Mayors and the Seattle Mariners.
Speaker 2: Boo. I don't know why that was so hard to
Speaker 2: get out.
Speaker 4: As we wrap up the Just Baseball Show today, the
Speaker 4: Texas Rangers, as it stands right now in the division
Speaker 4: are the leader. They're two over five hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: four and fifty two too clear of the Astros, two
Speaker 4: and a half clear of the Seattle Mariners. Mind you,
Speaker 4: we didn't put the Astros in this thing, but the
Speaker 4: Astros could be an interesting conversation. Thought they were buyers teds,
Speaker 4: so you might then didn't get out of the first
Speaker 4: inning for the third time this year, so it's like,
Speaker 4: all right, I don't know. Speaking of Houston real real quick,
Speaker 4: the one name that fascinates me. If Dana Brown does
Speaker 4: decide to sell and it seems like they're going to buy, yeah,
Speaker 4: it would be yeah, they're going to buy, But if
Speaker 4: they were going to try and strategically sell, and I
Speaker 4: know that's not the case, like Parades could be the
Speaker 4: best bat.
Speaker 2: Available at this deadline, but they're just not going to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: So again, Texas, it's too clear of Houston, two and
Speaker 4: a half clear of Seattle, and as it pertains the
Speaker 4: wildcard picture, reminder, Texas two over and if this division flips,
Speaker 4: they are only one game clear a half game clear
Speaker 4: of the Cleveland Guardians for that final wild card spot,
Speaker 4: but the Texas Rangers. Jeff Passen made this point on
Speaker 4: his podcast Sources Tell Jeff Passon, which is actually really
Speaker 4: fun listen. I highly recommend you can listen to that.
Speaker 4: He made this point, this is like the third year
Speaker 4: in a row that Texas is in a position to
Speaker 4: softly buy, and then this could also be the third
Speaker 4: year in a row that they missed the playoffs after buying,
Speaker 4: So like they've been kind of snake bitten post deadline
Speaker 4: each of the last two years, and it could be
Speaker 4: the third year in a row that that happens. But
Speaker 4: scared money don't make money, So you got to push
Speaker 4: some chips in here.
Speaker 2: What do you think they need?
Speaker 3: And then I don't think Chris Young has ever been scared,
Speaker 3: So that's the fun part there also quick shout on
Speaker 3: the Guardians too. Itm I just need to go try
Speaker 3: g get another center fielder.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about pd Alp.
Speaker 3: They might get to go McCarthy, bar show whatever, a
Speaker 3: spray of the board.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I was thinking Luis Robert could play center.
Speaker 5: He's the perfect fit, he really is.
Speaker 3: The Rangers are interesting because they're starting to pick up,
Speaker 3: you know, like you're seeing like lead off Jock Peterson
Speaker 3: is working. Don't blame John Peterson's got an eight fifty
Speaker 3: five ops. I don't think people have realized that that always.
Speaker 3: You know, it's been easy to overlook that why a
Speaker 3: Langford healthy back in the lineup and what you've got
Speaker 3: from you know, some of the other contributors, even Evan
Speaker 3: Carter is starting to settle in a little bit. So
Speaker 3: I just I look at second base specifically and I
Speaker 3: think that's gonna be an interesting area. But and Josh Schmidt,
Speaker 3: who was kind of the the guy that could plug
Speaker 3: any leak, it's just not been good this year. So
Speaker 3: you're gonna get Josh young back, You're gonna get presumably
Speaker 3: Corey Seeger back does Ezekiel Durand's plug in at second
Speaker 3: he's been so good, so then you're fine. Maybe there
Speaker 3: that's where it becomes hard for me because like you
Speaker 3: have to account for like the shuffling puzzle pieces with
Speaker 3: this team. So with the lineup, I almost think it's okay.
Speaker 3: I gravitate towards the rotation and like, yeah, cal quantrell As,
Speaker 3: you're five. Yeah, whoever you acquire doesn't need to pitch
Speaker 3: in the postseason, but whoever you acquire needs to help
Speaker 3: you not do this second half plummet thing and having
Speaker 3: a gaping hole in the five spotting rotation. I know
Speaker 3: Cow hasn't been right now, but if we're talking about
Speaker 3: a fall off in the post deadline, that would be
Speaker 3: an area. And then I think Bullpen as well, Like
Speaker 3: I love Lats, I think he's one of the best
Speaker 3: relievers in baseball.
Speaker 5: Judas has been good. From there, it's it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a wish list of a marquee bat
Speaker 4: and it's not Louisa Rise. I see plenty of comments
Speaker 4: mentioning Luis a Rise, but I already sent Luisa Rise
Speaker 4: to Tampa. So I'm going to send somebody else that
Speaker 4: is a Rise adjacent to Texas and also a guy
Speaker 4: that is sort of kind of a building block. He's
Speaker 4: got a little bit more control than Luisa Rise. I
Speaker 4: also have a starter that I want to throw your
Speaker 4: way here, Casey Miz of the Detroit Tigers, I think
Speaker 4: would be a good fit for the Texas Rangers. I
Speaker 4: also think Luis Garcia Junior from the Washington Nationals if
Speaker 4: Paul Tiboni does want to move off Garcia. And when
Speaker 4: Garcia's name first came up with Ryan Finkelstein on an
Speaker 4: episode of The Just Baseball Show last week, I said,
Speaker 4: no way Washington moves him, and Fink gave me the pushback, Well, Jack,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's kind of running close to the end
Speaker 4: of his team control, Like it's it's really sneaky how
Speaker 4: close Louis Garcia is. He only has next year of
Speaker 4: team control and that he's done, and we know the
Speaker 4: hurdles that next year could present. So I'm sitting here
Speaker 4: looking at Louis Garcia Junr. Like it would make sense
Speaker 4: for Paul Taboni to cash in. He's already sent one
Speaker 4: NAT to Texas and Mackenzie Gore he got five guys back,
Speaker 4: and you'd think Chris Young wouldn't be hardened by that
Speaker 4: one and would be willing to deal with Toboni again.
Speaker 4: So Luis Garcia Junior I thought was a fun fit.
Speaker 4: Garcia played second full time last year. He's not as
Speaker 4: good defensively as Arise is this year, and he's been
Speaker 4: playing a lot of first base. But I think Garcia
Speaker 4: could play second base for them, and then yeah, I
Speaker 4: think Maz would be a good back end rotation fit
Speaker 4: on a rental deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be interested to see how Garcia plays
Speaker 3: defensively second. He was pretty putrid last year defensively, uh,
Speaker 3: but he was decent the year before that. The defensive
Speaker 3: metrics are always tough, but I think that would be
Speaker 3: some of the concern. Oh my gosh, was he terrible?
Speaker 3: Garcia had shortstop in twenty twenty two cheeks negative seventeen drs,
Speaker 3: negative fourteen. Ou it's above average, but that is an
Speaker 3: interesting shout. My concern would be then, you know, you
Speaker 3: would have to play him at second. You'd have Burger
Speaker 3: and Garcia on the right side of the infield. That
Speaker 3: could result in a lot of ground balls sneaking through
Speaker 3: the right side. I my question is this, what do
Speaker 3: you do because like, you want to be optimistic in
Speaker 3: a super seekers and maybe back he's taken light VP.
Speaker 3: You want to be optimistic and assume Josh Young is
Speaker 3: going to be back. You also don't want to acquire
Speaker 3: guys that then like are kind of odd man out.
Speaker 3: You know when when those guys you come back and
Speaker 3: Ezekio Duran can literally play all over the diamond. So
Speaker 3: don't you just have Duran who could just plug in
Speaker 3: at second? You have Seegar back at shortstop, and you
Speaker 3: have junk back Josh Young back at third, and you're
Speaker 3: kind of okay, right, yeah, you would think. So that's
Speaker 3: why I almost think, like allocate it all to pitching,
Speaker 3: and like, let's because I don't even I don't trust
Speaker 3: McKenzie Gore.
Speaker 5: I will trust Nathan Yavaldi in the playoffs, and.
Speaker 3: I will I'll die on that hill happily with a
Speaker 3: smile on her face and Sam with Jacob deGrom.
Speaker 5: But who gets the ball game three right now? It's
Speaker 5: McKenzie Gore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you brought Gore in to do that, and
Speaker 4: like you kinda based on the five prospect return that
Speaker 4: you gave to Washington.
Speaker 2: You kind of have to run him out oct home.
Speaker 3: Yes, However, if you're in the playoffs and Gore is
Speaker 3: just limping to the finish line, you're gonna maybe go
Speaker 3: with somebody else right now you cannot. I would still
Speaker 3: go to Gore over Rocker. I'd maybe do an opener
Speaker 3: Rocker against Righty's and then switch.
Speaker 5: Over to Gore or whatever it may be.
Speaker 3: But I think you need a better and of Gore
Speaker 3: or excuse me, Rocker every time I think he's gonna
Speaker 3: hit a wall because he throws sliders all the time.
Speaker 3: He doesn't credit to him. I just I need, I
Speaker 3: need a more reliable fifth starter because I'm still concerned
Speaker 3: about the four starter and I'm also concerned about the
Speaker 3: three starter.
Speaker 5: So I think you gotta you.
Speaker 3: Gotta go, get go, get an arm And I love
Speaker 3: the I love the shout from uh Lucario Force poison pill,
Speaker 3: Michael King. That's the kind of deal that I don't
Speaker 3: think Chris Young cares about. Yeah, and you know we
Speaker 3: talked about the wrinkles of the contract that could probably
Speaker 3: limit the return. That could make some sense. I'm just
Speaker 3: is probably gonna do that now that they're like a
Speaker 3: game and a half out.
Speaker 2: Probably not at this point.
Speaker 4: So I think Mais is kind of like the shoe
Speaker 4: in answer, and he could go also get like a Gosman.
Speaker 4: I think Gosman could be a good Texas rank.
Speaker 5: Gosmin would be an awesome one for me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this team the shout out Peter he
Speaker 3: gave out Rangers, right, and there are two games up,
Speaker 3: and I think they're just gonna probably win this division.
Speaker 3: So if they win the division, you're in a spot
Speaker 3: where again you really need those three starters and maybe
Speaker 3: a fourth, and also you really want to win this division.
Speaker 3: I think you've got to go get a higher impact starter,
Speaker 3: but also guy that can help you make a playoff run.
Speaker 3: In Gosman, you'd have the most experienced playoff rotation.
Speaker 5: That could be bad.
Speaker 3: They could all hit a wall and suck, but they
Speaker 3: also could just have been there, done that, and you're
Speaker 3: going to outclass some of these younger teams if you're
Speaker 3: the Rangers.
Speaker 4: The other thing is the Rangers are only two back
Speaker 4: of the White Sox for the second by like the
Speaker 4: Chicago White Sox as it stands right now, are in
Speaker 4: a position to get a buy into the DS because
Speaker 4: the top two division winners don't have to play in
Speaker 4: the Wildcard Series. So if they go and add two starters,
Speaker 4: they can be in a position to bypass the Wildcard Series.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. The American League is so bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's where it's like setting yourself up there. Also,
Speaker 3: then you get to the playoffs, let's say you're somehow
Speaker 3: playing one of these younger teams. I kind of like
Speaker 3: the experience of Gosman. I like the experience of ta
Speaker 3: Gram and of vivality to make this happen.
Speaker 5: So I like myes. I like Gosman.
Speaker 3: I think just one of these kind of different degrees
Speaker 3: of veterans, but one of these experience veteran arms that
Speaker 3: I think we'll upgrade this rotation and give you some consistency.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: All right, Last, but not least, the Seattle Mariners. They
Speaker 4: are a fascinating conversation, folks. The Seattle Mariners, as it
Speaker 4: stands right now are on the outside looking in of
Speaker 4: the playoff picture. Right now, as it pretends the American
Speaker 4: League wild card standings, Seattle's two back the final wildcard spot,
Speaker 4: the Cleveland Guardians. They are fifty two and fifty five,
Speaker 4: three under five hundred and in the division. The Seattle
Speaker 4: Mariners are two and a half back of the division
Speaker 4: leading Rangers, and the Astros are sandwiched in between Texas
Speaker 4: and Seattle.
Speaker 2: But we know Seattle's going to buy.
Speaker 4: They have too good a roster for them be a
Speaker 4: couple games that are five hundred right now, they can pitch.
Speaker 4: They're going to trade from their pitching surplus. Jeff Passen
Speaker 4: clearly thinks that Emerson Hancock is on the move. So
Speaker 4: I'm going to throw you the concept of a two
Speaker 4: for one and a Hancock swamp.
Speaker 2: This is my wish list here.
Speaker 4: Tyrone Taylor has a nine to thirty eight OPS against
Speaker 4: left handed pitching.
Speaker 2: The Mariners are literally the worst team in baseball against
Speaker 2: left handed pitching.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyrone Taylor and Wascar bras abond from the Mets, well,
Speaker 4: two for one deal. I don't think that would cost
Speaker 4: two too much. Taylor's a rental and Brasibon's a reliever
Speaker 4: that isn't a closer. The other one is, I know
Speaker 4: Shaw is out with a little injury beyond the deadline,
Speaker 4: but Matt Shaw and a prospect, a high level prospect
Speaker 4: for Emerson Hancock could make a lot of sense to
Speaker 4: me because the Cubs could benefit from adding an Emerson
Speaker 4: Hancock and the Mariners could benefit from adding a Matt
Speaker 4: Shaw who's still, even in an underwhelming year, has in
Speaker 4: ops comfortably over eight hundred against left handed pitching. So
Speaker 4: these are two guys offensively that bring you north of
Speaker 4: the border in terms of damage against lefties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's one that makes a lot of
Speaker 3: sense because if the well, of course, the the tyrone
Speaker 3: Taylor Bras about no brainer because it's not going to
Speaker 3: cost enough to where you're going to say, even if
Speaker 3: we continue to struggle, we're not going to regret making
Speaker 3: this move. But I think the other that you could
Speaker 3: say similar sentiment, share a similar sentiment with the potential
Speaker 3: trade for Matt Shaw, because look, Hancock, this is an
Speaker 3: opportunity to cash in kan Anderson needs to be in
Speaker 3: that rotation opening day next year, like he needs to
Speaker 3: be in that rotation. Ryan Sloane not far behind that,
Speaker 3: so you need to create a space, a spot. Anyways,
Speaker 3: I know some other guys will potentially be gone. But
Speaker 3: also this is this is an opportunity to cash in
Speaker 3: when it's a unique market. If you're able to get
Speaker 3: Shaw and a prospect, a solid prospect that helps you
Speaker 3: obviously shock and help this team this year once he
Speaker 3: comes back healthy and can plug in and short platoon everywhere.
Speaker 3: But also you're able to also recoup a little bit
Speaker 3: of a prospect for turn to if you hit a
Speaker 3: wall this year, you say, oh, but we still got
Speaker 3: better for the next. You know, five plus years as
Speaker 3: an organization, we got more young talent. So I think
Speaker 3: when you look at it from that lens, that trade
Speaker 3: would be justifiable for short.
Speaker 5: Term and long term that I think would would help
Speaker 5: this ball club.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is if you trade if Hancock's expected
Speaker 3: to be moved, does that mean that they just don't
Speaker 3: think they're gonna be able to move Casto at all.
Speaker 5: That's what that signifies to me. We've seen the reports
Speaker 5: that they.
Speaker 3: Want to pay him down, but I wouldn't be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: Hancock's guaranteed to move and we're gonna move Gestio because
Speaker 3: now you're bringing up Kate Anderson and that's your fit starter.
Speaker 3: And someone goes down, who's your death and you're gonna
Speaker 3: be regretting that you did that. So I think Shaw
Speaker 3: makes a ton of sense and fits them really well
Speaker 3: for now and for later, and they'd probably get a
Speaker 3: prospect on top kiss TiO.
Speaker 4: You're also getting nothing. I think they view handcocked as
Speaker 4: an opportunity to go big leaguer for big leaguer. When
Speaker 4: Castillo you you either have to pay him down for
Speaker 4: an okay or not that good big leaguer, or someone
Speaker 4: takes on the entirety of the money for a lottery
Speaker 4: ticket that's six years away. So like, I think Hancock
Speaker 4: is the realistic one to move because you're getting the
Speaker 4: type of return that Jerry Depoto wants to get.
Speaker 3: And the difference is I think they're gonna have to
Speaker 3: tack on a little bit on top of Shaw. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get some some farm system. You know, Jolts
Speaker 3: a little bit as well. That helps his team, and man,
Speaker 3: just having anyone that can hit lefties that can do it,
Speaker 3: and all the different spots so you can pick your
Speaker 3: spots where you want who you want to be short
Speaker 3: platooned for, and he's not gonna block Mile Royo because
Speaker 3: you can again plug and play Shaw wherever you want.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the no brainer for them, and
Speaker 3: it's kind of a soft buy that doesn't make them
Speaker 3: feel like they gave anything up of consequence if the
Speaker 3: season just continues to be a rough one for them.
Speaker 4: The other one is from a Cub perspective, and I
Speaker 4: know that you and Peter going to talk about the
Speaker 4: Cubs tomorrow, but I think from a Cub perspective, Hancock
Speaker 4: is the dream candidate to be a Chicago Cup at
Speaker 4: this deadline because it's a controllable starter. They need a
Speaker 4: starting pitcher badly, badly, badly, So I think I think
Speaker 4: Hancock's a perfect fit in Chicago, and I think Shaw
Speaker 4: is a really perfect fit in Seattle.
Speaker 5: One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I think we'd be remiss if we didn't quickly shout
Speaker 3: out the Astros because I just think they're gonna buy,
Speaker 3: so just a quick shout on them and.
Speaker 5: What they could do.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they won't necessarily do because they
Speaker 3: don't have much prospect capital, but they seem to be
Speaker 3: in every reporter's ear telling them, don't even don't even
Speaker 3: insult us with the suggestion that we don't we won't buy.
Speaker 3: Don't even insult us with the suggestion of selling.
Speaker 5: We will not sell.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna do it, not gonna happen. So what
Speaker 3: does a buying astros look like?
Speaker 4: Pitching like, I guess again, Like we can recycle the
Speaker 4: rental arms like Gosman.
Speaker 2: You could go get him, you could go get.
Speaker 4: Rady Singer, Yeah, singer, Casey Miz Like, they probably need
Speaker 4: two starting pitchers. The bullpen's been good, Man Like, they've
Speaker 4: got a solid pen, Andiel Deello Santos has been nasty
Speaker 4: over the last bit.
Speaker 2: Uh Okert's been really good.
Speaker 4: And then a bray you has been sort of kind
Speaker 4: of coming around in hater's hater. So I don't think
Speaker 4: they need another bullpen arm. Maybe another outfielder maybe. Also,
Speaker 4: the way they're kind of part time playing cam Smith
Speaker 4: is really weird to me.
Speaker 3: It drives me insane. It drives me absolutely nuts. Do
Speaker 3: you want to develop this kid or not? He skipped
Speaker 3: the minor leagues. He can be a really good player.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't get it. It drives me nuts.
Speaker 3: But to that point, like, okay, you're you're part time playing.
Speaker 3: I don't say what Truel has been solid, but I
Speaker 3: think I think like a Mickey Moniac would be a
Speaker 3: really interesting one mm hmm, like a year and a
Speaker 3: half of control there.
Speaker 5: I think like those types of players could be fascinating.
Speaker 3: McCarthy McCarthy, mcarthy's a great Like they're running Lucas Spence
Speaker 3: out there right now.
Speaker 2: You know who they could have really benefited from having
Speaker 2: this year is Mauricio dubonc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say so, yeah, but they needed to
Speaker 3: clear up that CBT space really badly. So I think
Speaker 3: the very obviously they need a left handed hitting or
Speaker 3: they just need an outfielder, like they just needed an
Speaker 3: outfielder that can swing it McCarthy or I think McCarthy
Speaker 3: would fit really well. I think you could look at
Speaker 3: Maniac that would fit really well there too. And then
Speaker 3: I think in the rotation, I mean, just anyone that
Speaker 3: can throw, like anyone that can just grab anings for them.
Speaker 3: I like Lambert and Brown a lot, like obviously Hunter
Speaker 3: Brown's amazing. I think Ronald Blanco is gonna settle in
Speaker 3: a little bit and be fine. But Yeah, like, what
Speaker 3: arm could you possibly add to the fold there.
Speaker 2: That would be helpful?
Speaker 4: Peter Peter's here in the in the just Gridiron YouTube,
Speaker 4: just can continuously spamming Ryan Weathers Freeesck parades. They just
Speaker 4: can't trade parades. Paradis is one of three guys that
Speaker 4: booies that lineup right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, then then we're.
Speaker 2: Not on parades. He's not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: You might as well sell at that point, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: day lineup just drops off so badly. So I yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could see that one, and
Speaker 3: but who knows with this team, But I just think
Speaker 3: it just kind of be a lateral move with the
Speaker 3: offensive help they still somewhat need. Would be a good
Speaker 3: opportunity for them to move off of Christian Walker. They're
Speaker 3: not going to do it because it's just the way
Speaker 3: they are, and they could have cleared up some money.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you got to go get a
Speaker 3: maniac McCarthy deal with the Rockies there and then to
Speaker 3: starting a bullpen arm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but two starting pitchers, man, you need starting pitchers.
Speaker 4: And that's all good luck. Yeah, yeah, uh, that's all
Speaker 4: we got today. We're gonna do National League tomorrow. Anything
Speaker 4: else you want to plug your.
Speaker 3: Now.
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