WEBVTT - On Our Sleeves w/ Alex Daddario

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<v Speaker 1>The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra

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<v Speaker 1>strikes of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people have a memory of nine to eleven and

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<v Speaker 2>where they were. I was in New York, being a

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<v Speaker 2>New Yorker, and immediately went first to my daughter's school,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was I think one of the first dads

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe the first parent that showed up at school.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they told Socy that I was there to

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<v Speaker 2>pick her up, the look on her face was one

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<v Speaker 2>of confusion, and even from a kid so young, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>probably six or seven, she knew that something was a miss.

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<v Speaker 2>Having to explain that to a little kid was pretty emotional,

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<v Speaker 2>to say the least. There's a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>that generation has experienced that can really take a toll

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<v Speaker 2>on a child's mental health. And alex Dark, who is

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<v Speaker 2>our guest today, actually was in school with my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>at that very time. So it's kind of a good

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<v Speaker 2>segue because now she is well out of school and

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<v Speaker 2>focused on organizations that are giving our kids tools that

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<v Speaker 2>they need to check in with their mental health. So

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<v Speaker 2>lean in, listen up, I'm glad you're here. Here we

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<v Speaker 2>are with Alexandra Didario. You know we do this silly thing,

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<v Speaker 2>this dumb game that started many years ago called The

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<v Speaker 2>Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon that doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>going away. So one of the things, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that we sometimes kick off with is seeing if

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<v Speaker 2>there are any connections. But you know, I did a

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<v Speaker 2>little research, and you and I have connections that you

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<v Speaker 2>may not even know about.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, Oh I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, the basic six Degrees connection is Logan Luherman, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>who I was in a movie with called My One

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<v Speaker 2>and Only Yes. And I think the one and only

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<v Speaker 2>person that saw the movie realized that we had that connection.

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<v Speaker 2>But and but so that's a that's an easy you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's an easy jump.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you also worked with Jake Abel. Is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>What is also in the I'm not sure because we

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<v Speaker 3>used to play this game, The Six Degrees of Kenna

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<v Speaker 3>b Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>When it was when it first sort of there was

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<v Speaker 3>like a you could type in someone's name. There was

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<v Speaker 3>an I think it was on IMDb or something. There

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<v Speaker 3>was some program and you could it would give you

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<v Speaker 3>the six degrees. You didn't even have to look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well they have that. They have a thing now

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<v Speaker 2>on IMDb where you can put connections in, and I

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<v Speaker 2>use that all the time because you know, havn't been

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<v Speaker 2>around as long as I have. If I go to work,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, doing a television series, and I look on

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<v Speaker 2>the call sheet and there's you know, a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of names there. You know, I've met so many people

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<v Speaker 2>that sometimes I just space out whether or not I

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<v Speaker 2>know them. So I'll actually go on before my way

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<v Speaker 2>to work and check and see so that I can

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<v Speaker 2>say to somebody, I don't have to say nice to

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<v Speaker 2>meet you, and then they go out, yeah, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>actually met. So so you know that that actually and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this whole six degrees dot org thing and

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<v Speaker 2>what we're you know, doing here with this podcast really

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<v Speaker 2>is about connections. I mean, I do think that if

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<v Speaker 2>you take me out of the game, that it really

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<v Speaker 2>is an interesting kind of idea that people really are

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<v Speaker 2>first off, that we are connected, and second off that

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<v Speaker 2>that we're really hungry for those connections.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, speaking of which, my now correct me if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, but you went to Brearley. Yes, okay, my

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<v Speaker 2>mother in law, my wife, and my daughter all went

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<v Speaker 2>to Brearley.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a crazy story about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so you knew that. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so when I was little at Brearley, because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit older than your daughter, you came to

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<v Speaker 3>tour the school.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was so young, must have been like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, twelve or thirteen or something. But everyone started

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<v Speaker 3>streaming about how this guy Kevin Bacon was at the

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<v Speaker 3>school and a bunch of us started running around, leaving

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<v Speaker 3>class and running around the stairwells.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, wow, you know, that's really surprises me.

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<v Speaker 3>The next well, the next day there was a big

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<v Speaker 3>assembly held about how we needed to not do that

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<v Speaker 3>and how it was not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it was a buzz kill? What a buzz kill?

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<v Speaker 3>Well it wasn't like I think. It was like, look,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a movie start coming to the school, and someone

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<v Speaker 3>got really excited and then other people got excited a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of mob mentality. But I do remember that

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<v Speaker 3>there was sort of a talk about it the next day,

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<v Speaker 3>so I did know that your daughter went to the school.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to tell that story to both my

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<v Speaker 2>mother in law and my wife and my daughter. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they will all get a big, big kick out

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you never knew that. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, of course no, I never knew. I never knew that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't I didn't until until I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>your Wikipedia page. Frankly, I didn't know that you had gone.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really do admire your work. I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely fantastic. I'm so thrilled with the success that you've

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<v Speaker 2>been having. I mean, you've been you've been at it

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. But you went to PCs S

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<v Speaker 2>after Brierly, so you must have started acting. I'm guessing, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty young age.

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<v Speaker 3>I booked a soap opera and Breally I think was not.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it was. It wouldn't have worked to

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<v Speaker 3>go and miss that much school, so PCs. So I

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<v Speaker 3>transferred to PCs and it was really very easy. I

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<v Speaker 3>just sort of called them. I was sixteen, so I

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<v Speaker 3>went in.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly what happened to my wife, exactly what she booked

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<v Speaker 2>the soap opera when she was sixteen. All then she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't leave school, she didn't go to PCs, but she

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<v Speaker 2>had exactly the same the exact same thing. Sixteen had

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<v Speaker 2>to figure something out with school.

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<v Speaker 3>So how did she what did she end up doing

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<v Speaker 3>for school?

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<v Speaker 2>Just cut school for you know, yeah, just went miss school.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know I should have done that, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But how was that PCs? But for people, know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a well you can describe it please.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it's short for Professional Children's School. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>school for kids who are working. So the majority of

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<v Speaker 3>people are actually ballet answers from the American School at

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<v Speaker 3>LA or otherwise, and so there was a lot of that.

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<v Speaker 3>There was some professional athletes, but it's people who can't

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<v Speaker 3>be in school regularly, but you could still graduate, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on a normal schedule. So it's kind of when I

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<v Speaker 3>was there, and I don't know, I'm getting older, so

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<v Speaker 3>this was a long time ago. But when I was there,

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<v Speaker 3>it was a little bit what you made of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But they had a guided study program, so you could

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<v Speaker 3>not attend school at all. As long as you turned

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<v Speaker 3>in these assignments, you'd graduate on time. So that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, wow, that's a whole nother connection. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I can't believe this, but you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>started out on soaps. Which one were you on?

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<v Speaker 3>All my children?

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<v Speaker 2>All my children?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay seasonally too?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, right, right, Were you related to Susan Lucy's character?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I was Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember my girlfriend Chandler's girlfriend. Okay, yes, is j R.

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<v Speaker 2>Chandler the name of the character or the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the actor, the.

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<v Speaker 3>Name of the character in all my children. The Chandler

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<v Speaker 3>family was like a huge family, Like they were like

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<v Speaker 3>the rich, you know, and all kinds of chaos happened

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<v Speaker 3>with them. But I sort of came in as an

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<v Speaker 3>ancillary character that they ended up. I'm keeping on for

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<v Speaker 3>a year now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this was your experience with the soaps,

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<v Speaker 2>but I found that people it was my first little

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<v Speaker 2>taste of like being recognized, you know, being like a

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<v Speaker 2>public personality. But the difference was that everyone knew me

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<v Speaker 2>as Tim. Like they would come up to me and

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<v Speaker 2>they would not accept that I had another name and

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<v Speaker 2>that I was an actor and I was playing Tim

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<v Speaker 2>the teenage Alcoholics. So people would come up to me

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<v Speaker 2>and say, listen, Tim, you gotta slow down with the drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making your upset and your mother he needs I

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<v Speaker 2>think were your troubled girl on the soap where you

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<v Speaker 2>were troubled? Did you? I mean, who doesn't have trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>On a soap, that's right, But yeah, no, I was

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<v Speaker 3>like the good I was a good girl who just

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go to school. But my father was an

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<v Speaker 3>alcoholic and he wanted me to leave school or something

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to remember incorrectly. And he didn't want me

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<v Speaker 3>dating j R. Chandler because he was rich and they

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<v Speaker 3>were too fancy, and I needed to stay with him

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, live life the way that he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>me to live it.

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<v Speaker 2>Your father's name wasn't Tim, Tim by a chance? Was it? No? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe there was a multiverse, that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>multiverse of all my children in.

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<v Speaker 3>The Guiding Light, the guy that I was going to

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<v Speaker 3>ask which soap for you on?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Guiding Light? I was also on the first

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<v Speaker 2>soap I did was called Search for Tomorrow, which ended

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<v Speaker 2>up mean it. It doesn't exist anymore, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was I just did like a summer arc

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Let me ask you. People have always said

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<v Speaker 2>to me, and I'm wondering what your response to this

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<v Speaker 2>is that it was great. It's great. It's a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great training ground. Did you feel that way? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I I think I had all of what

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<v Speaker 3>it took to be a good actor. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>still acting, so, but I wasn't very good and I

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<v Speaker 3>think a lot of that came from nerves and really

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<v Speaker 3>just not knowing. But I also was quite shy. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's also the element of going into work every day

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<v Speaker 3>and working with people older than you and and so

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<v Speaker 3>that's helpful. But yeah, I didn't know how to hit

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<v Speaker 3>a mark or kiss a boy on screen, or find

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<v Speaker 3>my light or where the camera was any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>So and it helps you learn how to memorize lines.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like, that's what every actor did, was well profession.

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<v Speaker 2>Basic professionalism, right, you know, I mean just that you

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<v Speaker 2>had to be there, you had to be there at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain time, you had to know your lines, you

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<v Speaker 2>had you know. Yeah, it does definitely. Yeah, it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>you say the kissing the boy, because when I was

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<v Speaker 2>on uh uh Search for Tomorrow, I was I was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit older, but I was playing younger and

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<v Speaker 2>I was way past the first kiss portion of my

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<v Speaker 2>wife and but the but the young lady who they

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<v Speaker 2>paired me with for this summer romance, she was a

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<v Speaker 2>regular on the show, was the whole summer was a

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<v Speaker 2>build up to her first kiss to the character's first

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<v Speaker 2>kiss right right, and according to her father, it was

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<v Speaker 2>also her first kiss.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it was a very I mean, I it

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<v Speaker 2>made me. I don't know, I was, I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>was uncomfortable with it. I mean for a lot of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I understand strange.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, not a bad kissed for her story, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is it was strange. I mean, it wasn't. I

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<v Speaker 3>also have a strange audition story about, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing I had to audition. I think I've

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<v Speaker 3>told this story before, but I had to audition for

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<v Speaker 3>It was a Got Chocolate Milk ad. They were doing

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<v Speaker 3>Got Chocolate milk instead of Got milk. So they brought

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of teenagers in and I I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was before the soap, so I must have been like

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen fourteen fifteen, and they would pair a girl and

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<v Speaker 3>a boy up, and I remember everyone was waiting on

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<v Speaker 3>two different benches and we were all like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>who's the person that we're going to have to do

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<v Speaker 3>this with? Because the audition was that one of us

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<v Speaker 3>had to put milk in our mouth and the other

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<v Speaker 3>one had to put chocolate syrup in their mouth, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we had to make out one then turned to

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<v Speaker 3>the camera and go got chocolate milk.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa wait, like this was years ago. Pumped the brakes

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<v Speaker 2>on that story. You don't never do that. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>you have. We have intimacy coordinators for for for for that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's like a there's there's a full time

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<v Speaker 2>job for that. Wow. That's and you were all teenagers, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so there was like a sort of teenage

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<v Speaker 3>innocence about it. There was nothing. There was nothing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>in retrospect, I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was also a thank for And I'd be

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<v Speaker 3>curious if anyone else has a memory about diitioning for this.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't heard anyone talk about it. But there was

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of like, oh my god, I got

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<v Speaker 3>to kiss a boy or kiss a girl. I think,

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit but very strange audition.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty weird. Now. Did they use the chocolate and

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<v Speaker 2>the milk in the audition?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? Wow? Mind blown mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they gave us like a little cup of milk

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<v Speaker 3>or a little cup of chocolate syrup.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get the part?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not, And I never saw the ads run.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe they figured out the audition process that it was

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<v Speaker 3>way too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think somebody, I think somebody looked at that

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<v Speaker 2>and said, are you out of your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they were like, it's a great idea and concept,

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<v Speaker 3>but then once we actually saw it really happened, No,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not doing that, I don't think so I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do it. But later on tomorrow, right

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<v Speaker 2>after Thanksgiving dinner, I'm gonna try that.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh, that'll be great. See if you can, guys

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<v Speaker 3>have a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>Make chocolate milk that way. So, uh, I know you've

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<v Speaker 2>probably talked about this and not well. First, before we

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<v Speaker 2>get into white Lotus, I want to ask you. I

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<v Speaker 2>was I was looking at your resume and I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say that I have never seen Chainsaw Massacre in

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<v Speaker 2>three D? That which number? What number was that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it only three D? Is they made a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of three.

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<v Speaker 3>D's, No, they only made one three D? Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, with all due respect to everyone involved and myself,

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was quite a it was look, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a blast. It was a hard experience. The movie

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<v Speaker 3>made a little money at the box office, but my

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<v Speaker 3>husband actually produced The Chainsaw Massacre with Jessica Biale, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think I would recommend that one over mine.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very nice of you.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've supported my husband's great I had a great

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<v Speaker 3>time and I loved everyone I met on that on

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<v Speaker 3>that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, now, uh so, if if I was I was

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<v Speaker 2>wondering this about three D movies, they really only work

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<v Speaker 2>in three D obviously if you're in the theater, right

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't you can't get the little red and

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<v Speaker 2>blue glasses and watch them at home.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I think there was this period of time.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I mean, I don't know what your experience

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<v Speaker 3>was with this, but I was the types of movies

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing at the time. There was like maybe

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<v Speaker 3>a two or three maybe four year period where they

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<v Speaker 3>were really like three D seemed to be the future,

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<v Speaker 3>like everything wanted. They were doing a regular version in

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<v Speaker 3>a three D version, and the issue was are you

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<v Speaker 3>going to shoot it in three D or convert it afterwards?

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<v Speaker 3>And Texas Chainsaw was one that we shot on three

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<v Speaker 3>D cameras, which the technology wasn't as advanced, So we

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<v Speaker 3>were shooting in summer in Louisiana, and the cameras would

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<v Speaker 3>overheat and there were issues with that, and then there

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<v Speaker 3>were other movies. I remember them discussing they were going

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<v Speaker 3>to convert it and it didn't really pick up. Like

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<v Speaker 3>the glasses sort of hurt every It hurt my eyes

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, but it was.

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<v Speaker 2>A smell a vision. Yeah, never really took off. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw. That was one of the first. I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>horror buff. I mean, I'm surprised I never seen your

0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Texas chain saw, but I mean, do they When I

0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:12.879
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, I remember very well lying about my

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<v Speaker 2>age in order to get into Vincent Price in House

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<v Speaker 2>of Wax in three D, and it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first scary movies. Probably the movie's not that scary

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<v Speaker 2>if you looked at it now, but it was also

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<v Speaker 2>the first three D movie that I'd ever seen, and

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of like what they did back then, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure was not the case with your film, was it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I remember correctly, The film kind of went along

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<v Speaker 2>for a while and was in two D, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden they'd get to a certain scene

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<v Speaker 2>like smoke or whatever. They thought then that would be

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<v Speaker 2>just like a month that like maybe only three or

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<v Speaker 2>four moments in the whole thing where it actually was

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<v Speaker 2>full on three D because.

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<v Speaker 3>It was kind of I can get this time that right,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think then you get to rest your eyes

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<v Speaker 3>a little little bit and then you get that moment

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<v Speaker 3>that you're waiting for where you're like, WHOA, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually prefer that idea. That's really cool. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole the whole thing being in three B. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess it's cool. You get to see the chainsaw come

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<v Speaker 3>at you and a raw Yeah. Yeah, it's a cool

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<v Speaker 3>part that I got to be in. Like a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of movies that they, you know, tried this three D thing, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I I what over the other movies more three D?

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<v Speaker 3>There was another one that I think was converted to

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<v Speaker 3>three D. And then when there were three D, there

0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 3>were theaters that would show it in three D, but

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<v Speaker 3>the majority would be two D.

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<v Speaker 2>Got you.

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<v Speaker 3>I forget which I actually forget which ones now that was?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I think San Andreas may have done it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really remember. Okay, Texas chains I was the

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<v Speaker 3>only one I shot on three D cameras?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you mentioned earlier that year in New

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<v Speaker 2>York and I moved to New York when I was

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen and still live in New York. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that it has informed you as an actor as a person,

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<v Speaker 2>and if so, in what way? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I when I first moved to LA I was twenty three,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone I would take all these general meetings, and

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<v Speaker 3>I remember everyone being like great from and being totally

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<v Speaker 3>shocked when I said I was from New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well you talk like this, like, hey, what are

0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you doing walk? Yeah? I like that guy. Yeah.

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.359
<v Speaker 3>I was quite timid and polite, and I think people

0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.920
<v Speaker 3>thought I was going to come in and be like, hey,

0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:46.640
<v Speaker 3>put me in a movie or whatever. And so I

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<v Speaker 3>think that the ways that it made me tough are

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<v Speaker 3>not like I think it. I mean, you grow up

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit faster. I was so devoted to and

0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I had acts to all. I don't think i'd be

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<v Speaker 3>an act. I mean the acting classes I was able,

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<v Speaker 3>the teachers and the people I got to meet and

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 3>the things I got to learn were so amazing, and

0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 3>it gave me this incredible freedom at a really young

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<v Speaker 3>age to be able to access anything that I needed

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.080
<v Speaker 3>to access. So I got it in my head I

0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:21.600
<v Speaker 3>was going to be an actor, and that wasn't really what,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't have your family.

0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Actors were there are artists and actors in your family.

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<v Speaker 3>My parents are lawyers, so there's there's an art to that,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, But but no, and I you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think that would have been my path. I think

0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I was being steered in a different direction or by

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<v Speaker 3>not just my parents. It was sort of everything. So

0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 3>the best thing about it was it made me very

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.680
<v Speaker 3>independent living in New York and and I could just

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<v Speaker 3>pick up the phone and call and book an acting

0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.239
<v Speaker 3>class and have access to all these amazing things and

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<v Speaker 3>really figure out what it was I wanted to do

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:07.000
<v Speaker 3>at a young age, even though like acting, it seemed

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.159
<v Speaker 3>like actors were made in a lab, like movie stars

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.560
<v Speaker 3>were made in a lab, and it you know, wasn't really,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just sort of I was able to, uh

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<v Speaker 3>to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were in l A, and then you moved

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<v Speaker 2>back to New York. You grew up in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>then you moved to LA.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you came back or you're back and I'm still

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.840
<v Speaker 3>living in LA. That's where I paid well place. Because

0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, my husband's also from from well, he's from

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Long Island. My mom's out here and it just made

0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.680
<v Speaker 3>sense for to have a place. So we go back

0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:45.080
<v Speaker 3>and forth. But LA is like our main, main place.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's awesome. It took me a long time

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to get used to LA and now I really love it.

0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 2>But I was, I was. It took me many many

0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.560
<v Speaker 2>years of saying, no, no, it's not for me, it's

0:21:58.560 --> 0:21:59.919
<v Speaker 2>not for me, it's not for me. But it was

0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.399
<v Speaker 2>just some kind of a idea that I had about

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.639
<v Speaker 2>it or something. I don't know. But but do you

0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 2>have it?

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<v Speaker 3>How long was your stretch in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never lived in LA. I mean, I I'm sort

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:13.240
<v Speaker 2>of like the opposite of you. We finally got a

0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 2>place so that we wouldn't have to stay in hotels.

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<v Speaker 2>But but you know, you add it all up between

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, the how the rented houses and the hotels

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 2>and the years of you know, working out there, I

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.640
<v Speaker 2>would say I've spent years and years of my life

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.640
<v Speaker 2>cumulatively in LA. But my kids were my wife grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in Manhattan, as you know, my kids were raised

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.479
<v Speaker 2>in New York, both of them living on LA. By

0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 2>the way, now that they've both made the switch, you know,

0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk a little bit. I know you've

0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 2>probably talked ad nauseum about White Lotus, and I know

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.680
<v Speaker 2>that it's also a little weird, probably because now it's

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.200
<v Speaker 2>on and it's like a show that you're you're not on.

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<v Speaker 2>But what fascinates me is you've been doing doing great

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:06.760
<v Speaker 2>work for a while and probably were well known. White

0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Littles was one of those things that just kind of

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:15.120
<v Speaker 2>like like snapped everybody into the zeitgeist kind of thing,

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:21.239
<v Speaker 2>like that's a different sort of feeling, and especially with

0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>US coastal elites, like everybody was watching that show and

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:33.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody was super impressed with you and with that character

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and with the complexities of that show, but also of

0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:43.919
<v Speaker 2>of her and of the relationship. So like aside, putting

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the industry aside, is it is it different the way

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that people start to relate to you when they when

0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 2>they see you, or or even family friends, the things

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that they want to talk about, because that was such

0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a like just kind of sort of came out of

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>nowhere in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you are absolutely right. I I did have

0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 3>I was at for a long time and I've been

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 3>doing this for a very long time. I was I

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 3>was you know, I'd be like, but I you know,

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 3>I've been in these movies that millions of people have seen,

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 3>and I have fifteen million followers on Instagram, and I

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 3>know I can act. I'm ready, and I feel good

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 3>about where I'm at, and I've been doing the work,

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:33.159
<v Speaker 3>and I wouldn't be I felt like, you know, I

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.879
<v Speaker 3>wasn't really being considered for certain types of roles, and

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't getting auditions for certain things or but I

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.359
<v Speaker 3>just sort of kept flowing away and saying, you know,

0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 3>if they won't see me, I'll put something on tape.

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:49.679
<v Speaker 3>And and I always I always had hope, but I

0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 3>also love what I do so much. I was happy

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 3>that I was a working actress and all of that,

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<v Speaker 3>and then White Lotus happened during the pandemic. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>funny because like you get so obsessed with something and

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<v Speaker 3>you're like so focused on it and on achieving this

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<v Speaker 3>certain goal. And the goal for me was I want

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<v Speaker 3>to do certain types of work. I have an idea

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<v Speaker 3>of the characters I want to play and the different

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<v Speaker 3>the different types of people I want to work with,

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<v Speaker 3>and I and the opportunity I want to have more opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>And then during the pandemic, I kind of was focused

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<v Speaker 3>on other things and let that all go and that

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<v Speaker 3>put this audition in a tape for for White Lotus

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<v Speaker 3>and read for Mike and then got it. And then

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<v Speaker 3>it was just it was like the thing I had

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<v Speaker 3>been waiting for, but I hadn't. I wasn't expecting it

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<v Speaker 3>at all. And yeah, it did change. It did change

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunities I have and the way people see me,

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<v Speaker 3>for sure. And it was exactly I mean, it just

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 3>goes to show you this is a tough business. And

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<v Speaker 3>I just I've always felt so grateful and the fact

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 3>that I was able to show people that I could

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<v Speaker 3>do something different is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you definitely did. And you also bring up an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting point about this business that is hard to explain,

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.840
<v Speaker 2>and that is that, you know, you hear a lot

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of stories about how people you know, went in, climbed

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>over the studio gate, dropped off of tape, you know,

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 2>did a didn't you know, fought their way in or

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>had a career plan or whatever, and sometimes these things

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 2>just kind of drop out of the sky. It's like

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 2>every once in a while, you know, there'll be something

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 2>that'll that will come down the pike and you go, wow,

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I thought this wasn't in my plan, but this is

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>like super cool. Uh So, I mean I think career

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>planning sometimes can be a little bit of an oxymoron,

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 2>except for the idea that you love it, which you said,

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 2>and that you're going to hang in. You know that

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>you're going to hang in through the slings and arrows

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of which we both know there are many moment yep, Yeah,

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.800
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask you about On Our Sleeves. You know,

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>what we're doing here on this podcast is talking to

0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 2>cool people like you, famous people, celebrities across all kinds

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:23.879
<v Speaker 2>of different creative arts and sports and music who also

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>have something that they're passionate about and have you know,

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>some kind of cousets. I mean, so often people kind

0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.120
<v Speaker 2>of look at us as overpaid buffoons who really don't

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>care that much about the world, and so I'm just

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 2>trying to was hoping to kind of highlight some people

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that actually do. And so you're connected to this organization

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 2>On Our Sleeves. I just want to ask you about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So on our Sleeves and I've just started working

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 3>with them. They I believe they were founded in twenty eighteen,

0:27:56.280 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 3>so they are this incredibly they're full of excitement and

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 3>passion for building the What they're doing getting word out

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 3>and what they're doing is very relevant and I think

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.199
<v Speaker 3>also something that was needed even before the pandemic, but

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 3>now there's more focus on mental health care and especially

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 3>for children, and they sort of saw this whole in

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.679
<v Speaker 3>mental health care for prevention when you're very young, for

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.479
<v Speaker 3>young children, before you get to the point where it

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 3>becomes more serious. How do you it's and it's also

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 3>I really see it as helping adults as well talk

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 3>to children. How do you talk to children? How do

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 3>you support them if they can't have support at the

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:48.800
<v Speaker 3>home in the home, how can you help support educational

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 3>facilities and schools, and how you talk to children and

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 3>teach them to communicate deal with their emotions. Because I

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of the time you'll have people in

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 3>positions of power who are dealing with kids with problems,

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 3>so that you don't know how to recognize the issues

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 3>or how to talk to them about it, or how

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:13.480
<v Speaker 3>to help. And when you're struggling and you want to help,

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 3>this is an organization that you can call and get

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 3>free resources to help support conversation with kids, help sort

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 3>of identify issues a whole slew of things, and I

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 3>just thought that was really brilliant. And someone from the

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 3>organization said, you know, when she was a kid, it

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 3>was like, you know, stop your crying or I'll give

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.120
<v Speaker 3>you something to cry about kind of thing, you know.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's not that parents love their kids or wanted

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 3>they just had a different way of disciplining or communicating

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 3>or dealing with their own stuff. And now you know,

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 3>it's like, how many times is a kid did someone

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 3>sit you down and say, calm your body, how are

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.719
<v Speaker 3>you feeling? What's a better way to ask for that?

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 3>All these different ways of communicating that help sort of

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 3>mitigate I think, anxiety and depression as you grow up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, speaking of people that work there. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring out doctor Arianajoet, the clinical director of our Sleeves.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming out to the podcast with us. Alex

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>was explaining some of what you do. How did the

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>two of you find each other? How did this relationship begin?

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's a great question, Bill Goldman. Joel connected us. So.

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Joel joined the Honor Sleeves team this year and he's

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 4>really been instrumental in connecting us to people like Alex.

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 4>And Alex and I met through Instagram live when we

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 4>talked about the topic of bullying and so it was

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 4>really cool to meet Alex and talk about the impacts

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 4>of bullying and mental health and children.

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>And what is your what is your history? Uh? Doctor hood? What? What? What? What?

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>How did you get?

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>First off, what kind of doctor are you?

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 4>So, I'm a pediatric psychologist. I work in primary care.

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 4>So it's a unique role in that I get to

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 4>be in the office of pediatrician. And so when families

0:32:06.000 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 4>come to their doctor to take their kid for their physical,

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 4>their well visits, any questions they have about their development, behavior,

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 4>mental health, I'm there and I see them that day,

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 4>which in a time right now where we know there's

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 4>long wait lists and access is difficult to mental health professionals.

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 4>It's really cool to be able to meet families when

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 4>the question arises, and I join the Honor Sleaves team

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 4>in January. So my role as clinical directors making sure

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 4>that all the resources we are putting out there are

0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 4>based on science and evidence and the things that we

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 4>know to really help children in their mental health.

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:49.840
<v Speaker 2>And was there something in your life that specifically sent

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>you down this path both of becoming a pediatrician but

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>also medicine and then working with children and then more

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 2>specifically with mental health within that, did you what's your

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel personally about the work that you do.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's interesting because I recently had someone ask me like,

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 4>when did you decide to become a psychologist?

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.520
<v Speaker 4>I started right away an undergrad as a psychology and

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of followed along. But where I am right now

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 4>in terms of working in primary care, working with on

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 4>our sleeves. Really, I'm an immigrant. I moved to the

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 4>US when I was in high school and that impacted

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 4>my mental health to be in the middle of high

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 4>school and moved to a brand new country and figuring

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 4>out where I fit and so it's really important for

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 4>me to get the information to the people that needed

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 4>the most. And in my training I realized, you know,

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 4>as psychologists were publishing in peer review journals and going

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 4>to these academic conferences, but we're preaching to the choir,

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 4>we're talking to other people in the field and so

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 4>on our Sleeves was exciting to me because it allows

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 4>us to talk to the community, talk to the parents,

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 4>the teachers, the coaches, and that's the people that need

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 4>to hear the information. So it was a very easy decision.

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 2>And explain to me, what's your description of the mission

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 2>of on our Sleeves?

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 4>Sure, so, we really our goal is to get the

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 4>free resources that we create to every.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Community in the US.

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 4>And we mean community as the diverse communities that need

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 4>are resources, but also the kind of communities the adults

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 4>that reach kids, so again, the schools, the teachers, the coaches,

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 4>the families.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 3>And the neighbors.

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 4>Really, if you're an adult with a child in your life,

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 4>we want to get these resources to you and help

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 4>you support the mental health of the children in your life.

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. That sounds like really good, good work. Are

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:03.240
<v Speaker 2>there any specific initiatives that the that you can explain

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 2>to us they're happening right now.

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 4>Sure, So right now we launched it. May we launch

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 4>Operation and Conversation, and that has been really fun because

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:17.439
<v Speaker 4>it's been all about getting people, adults again to talk

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 4>to the children in their lives, building the habits of

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 4>conversation with kids, and not just waiting until you're worried

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 4>about them, but really doing it every day so that

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 4>it builds a healthy relationship with the kids. It's normal

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 4>to talk to each other and that way, if you

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 4>are ever worried, it doesn't feel awkward to bring it up.

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 4>So we have resources. Oh, go ahead.

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Is it a guidebook I mean, or a video or

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>how do you I mean? I want that?

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So on our website at on our sleeve dot org.

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 4>We've got kind of a step by step First, how

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 4>to start the conversation, Then how do I react, how

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 4>do I keep it going? How do I respond in

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.040
<v Speaker 4>a way that feels good to the child? And then

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 4>if I do have concerns, how do I set boundaries

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 4>or give advice in a way that they'll listen. We

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 4>also have these fun conversations starter that Alex actually was

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 4>the drive behind us really putting them out there, and

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.240
<v Speaker 4>so on our website you can get a fun little

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 4>deck that that you can use at dinner time, for example,

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 4>with a lot of different questions to ask children to

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 4>get them talking.

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny you mentioned dinner. We that was

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>something that we really pounded the table on, which was

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 2>we're having dinner together and there will be no devices.

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, although my kids were actually pre where we're

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.919
<v Speaker 2>at right now, you know, I mean that they were

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 2>young enough so that it wasn't a part of their lives,

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>but my wife and I did. We'd put them down

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and we would have conversations and it didn't even it

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even a question that it hasn't necessarily be heavy.

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it was, but just you know, just to be

0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 2>able to talk. Let me ask you something, Alex. You know,

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:01.800
<v Speaker 2>I think about your little little bit older than associate

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>than my kid, you know, but I think about this generation,

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>your generation, and yeah, there was some stuff going on

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 2>in the world for sure that was super traumatic when

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, and you know, growing up in

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the in a city where there was you know, violence

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, looking at the at the Vietnam

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 2>War for instance, from a distance, not to mention. You know,

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>people have individual trauma that happens with with their own

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>lives and their family situations, or or you know, the

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 2>trauma that comes from income insecurity or food insecurity. But

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 2>starting with nine to eleven, it just seems like this

0:37:54.280 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>generation has just had one really tough thing after another

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 2>to deal with and right up to now. And I

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>think about those kids who are you know, my kids

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 2>were old enough, and even for them it was traumatic.

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>But just to be right, you know, if you're eight

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>or thirteen and the pandemic hits and your life just

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 2>shuts down in such a profound way, I don't know.

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like there's so many, so many more

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>challenges to our emotional stability, to children's emotional stability than

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>there used to be.

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I agree with that, and I also think, you know,

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 3>the obvious one too is the Internet and the accessibility

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 3>to bullying. And there's amazing I mean, the positive thing

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 3>about it is you have access to information and all that,

0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 3>But then that for a child who is not emotionally

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<v Speaker 3>mature enough, they're almost being forced to become kids are

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<v Speaker 3>almost becoming forced to become more emotionally mature than they

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<v Speaker 3>should be. For their age because of what they have

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's sort of they can't be kids for very long.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I see it, and I just think that

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<v Speaker 3>the things that they have to deal with with the

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<v Speaker 3>Internet and with obviously the information that's coming the global

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<v Speaker 3>warming news and this constant doomsday sort of with no

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<v Speaker 3>one taking action. There's a lot of that, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's Look, there have been very difficult times for people,

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<v Speaker 3>and there are people who, like you said, have all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of personal trauma, and but it does force kids

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<v Speaker 3>to learn how to process. They have to learn how

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<v Speaker 3>to process information and have these bigger discussions at an

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<v Speaker 3>earlier age than maybe they would normally. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>tough thing and I think adults are navigating that. And

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<v Speaker 3>also this entire generation is are we're raising kids in

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<v Speaker 3>a world that's so different than how we were raised.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't have this kind of thing. We didn't have Instagram,

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<v Speaker 3>We don't we can't really relate. I don't think you

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<v Speaker 3>can understand exactly what's going on. So there's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to set the next generation up for success

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<v Speaker 3>in raising the next generation right, and they may have

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<v Speaker 3>better understanding of who knows how the world will change,

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<v Speaker 3>but a lot of it is so baffling. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>even imagine, you know, my step kids dealing with the

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<v Speaker 3>Internet the way that they do already, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>young age, and they're not even teenagers yet. So I

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<v Speaker 3>just think it's it's very important to sort of figure

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<v Speaker 3>out how can we how can we teach kids to

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<v Speaker 3>process this information differently and learn how to be kind,

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<v Speaker 3>dur and sort of go against their innate instincts as

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<v Speaker 3>kids to be a little bit mean, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why. It's sort of human nature or something. As

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<v Speaker 3>you figure out social power constructs or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 3>We're just talking about bullying, but it can get out

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<v Speaker 3>of control too quickly, So you have to teach kids

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<v Speaker 3>how to think about these things differently.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, I think I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, Doctor Howad has more insight into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Doctor HOAt, do you have a Have you seen

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<v Speaker 2>an increased need for this kind of work since since

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<v Speaker 2>the pandemic or at least over the last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, school shootings, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean I think what's hard is that even

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<v Speaker 4>before the pandemic, the CDC released a study between twenty

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<v Speaker 4>nine and twenty nineteen, So right before the pandemic, we

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<v Speaker 4>were already seeing an increase in depression, blessness, suicidal thoughts

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<v Speaker 4>and behaviors. And then the pandemic happened and it absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>made that worse, But we were already trending towards that crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a lot of factors. It's everything you all

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<v Speaker 4>are talking about, right, It's growing up is hard, and

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<v Speaker 4>kids are experiencing stressors while trying to find their identity

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<v Speaker 4>and then they're accessing this information and their brain isn't developed.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, our brain's so fully developed till we're twenty five.

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<v Speaker 4>So how do we truly comprehend what we're reading and

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<v Speaker 4>what we're being exposed to if our brain can't truly

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<v Speaker 4>do that? So yeah, parenting and family relationships and social

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<v Speaker 4>connections is what helps it. That's what gets children through

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<v Speaker 4>is being able to have those healthy conversations with their

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<v Speaker 4>family members to help them understand what they're consuming.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is fantastic this work that you guys are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you please tell us how people can get involved

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<v Speaker 2>with on our sleeves, whether it's uh, you know, volunteering, donating,

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 2>what what? What? How can how can people help out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so people can access all of our resources for

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<v Speaker 4>you there, we have a whole section on advocacy. How

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. You've both been very very generous to

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<v Speaker 2>come on and talk about this. Alex, maybe we'll, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>work together someday, you never know. And uh, doctor Howat

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<v Speaker 2>I love the work that you're doing, both of you,

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you. Thank you guys so much for being here,

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<v Speaker 2>and keep up the good work.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, see.

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<v Speaker 2>You down the road.

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