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Speaker 1: The following episode was recorded before the WGA sag Aftra

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Speaker 2: Most people have a memory of nine to eleven and

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Speaker 2: Having to explain that to a little kid was pretty emotional,

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Speaker 2: at that very time. So it's kind of a good

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Speaker 2: focused on organizations that are giving our kids tools that

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Speaker 2: they need to check in with their mental health. So

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Speaker 2: lean in, listen up, I'm glad you're here. Here we

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Speaker 2: are with Alexandra Didario. You know we do this silly thing,

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Speaker 2: this dumb game that started many years ago called The

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Speaker 2: Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon that doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 2: going away. So one of the things, one of the

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Speaker 2: things that we sometimes kick off with is seeing if

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Speaker 2: there are any connections. But you know, I did a

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Speaker 2: little research, and you and I have connections that you

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Speaker 2: may not even know about.

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Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: First off, the basic six Degrees connection is Logan Luherman, Yes,

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Speaker 2: who I was in a movie with called My One

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Speaker 2: and Only Yes. And I think the one and only

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Speaker 2: But and but so that's a that's an easy you know, uh,

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Speaker 2: that's an easy jump.

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Speaker 3: I think you also worked with Jake Abel. Is that possible?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: What is also in the I'm not sure because we

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Speaker 3: used to play this game, The Six Degrees of Kenna

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When it was when it first sort of there was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well they have that. They have a thing now

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Speaker 2: on IMDb where you can put connections in, and I

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Speaker 2: let's say, doing a television series, and I look on

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Speaker 2: what we're you know, doing here with this podcast really

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Speaker 2: And so, speaking of which, my now correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, but you went to Brearley. Yes, okay, my

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Speaker 3: I have a crazy story about this.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you knew that. Maybe.

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Speaker 3: Well, so when I was little at Brearley, because I'm

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Speaker 3: And I was so young, must have been like, I

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Speaker 2: Wow, it was a buzz kill? What a buzz kill?

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Speaker 3: Well it wasn't like I think. It was like, look,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to tell that story to both my

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Speaker 3: So you never knew that. I know.

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Speaker 2: But I really do admire your work. I think you're

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Speaker 3: I booked a soap opera and Breally I think was not.

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Speaker 2: Exactly what happened to my wife, exactly what she booked

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Speaker 3: So how did she what did she end up doing

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Speaker 2: Just cut school for you know, yeah, just went miss school.

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Speaker 2: But how was that PCs? But for people, know, that's

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Speaker 3: Well it's short for Professional Children's School. So it's a

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Speaker 2: Well, wow, that's a whole nother connection. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I'm just I can't believe this, but you know, I

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Speaker 3: All my children?

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Speaker 2: All my children?

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Speaker 3: Name of the character in all my children. The Chandler

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Speaker 2: Your father's name wasn't Tim, Tim by a chance? Was it? No? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: So maybe there was a multiverse, that there was a

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Speaker 3: The Guiding Light, the guy that I was going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Guiding Light? I was also on the first

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Speaker 2: Basic professionalism, right, you know, I mean just that you

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Speaker 2: Make chocolate milk that way. So, uh, I know you've

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Speaker 3: It was kind of I can get this time that right,

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Speaker 2: and with the complexities of that show, but also of

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Speaker 2: of her and of the relationship. So like aside, putting

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Speaker 2: the industry aside, is it is it different the way

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Speaker 2: that people start to relate to you when they when

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Speaker 2: they see you, or or even family friends, the things

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Speaker 2: that they want to talk about, because that was such

445
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Speaker 2: a like just kind of sort of came out of

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Speaker 2: nowhere in a way.

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Speaker 3: You know, you are absolutely right. I I did have

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Speaker 3: I was at for a long time and I've been

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Speaker 3: doing this for a very long time. I was I

450
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Speaker 3: was you know, I'd be like, but I you know,

451
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Speaker 3: I've been in these movies that millions of people have seen,

452
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Speaker 3: and I have fifteen million followers on Instagram, and I

453
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Speaker 3: know I can act. I'm ready, and I feel good

454
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Speaker 3: about where I'm at, and I've been doing the work,

455
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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be I felt like, you know, I

456
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Speaker 3: wasn't really being considered for certain types of roles, and

457
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Speaker 3: I wasn't getting auditions for certain things or but I

458
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Speaker 3: just sort of kept flowing away and saying, you know,

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Speaker 3: if they won't see me, I'll put something on tape.

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Speaker 3: And and I always I always had hope, but I

461
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Speaker 3: also love what I do so much. I was happy

462
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Speaker 3: that I was a working actress and all of that,

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Speaker 3: and then White Lotus happened during the pandemic. And it's

464
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Speaker 3: funny because like you get so obsessed with something and

465
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Speaker 3: you're like so focused on it and on achieving this

466
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Speaker 3: certain goal. And the goal for me was I want

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Speaker 3: to do certain types of work. I have an idea

468
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Speaker 3: of the characters I want to play and the different

469
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Speaker 3: the different types of people I want to work with,

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Speaker 3: and I and the opportunity I want to have more opportunity.

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Speaker 3: And then during the pandemic, I kind of was focused

472
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Speaker 3: on other things and let that all go and that

473
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Speaker 3: put this audition in a tape for for White Lotus

474
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Speaker 3: and read for Mike and then got it. And then

475
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Speaker 3: it was just it was like the thing I had

476
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Speaker 3: been waiting for, but I hadn't. I wasn't expecting it

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Speaker 3: at all. And yeah, it did change. It did change

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Speaker 3: the opportunities I have and the way people see me,

479
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Speaker 3: for sure. And it was exactly I mean, it just

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Speaker 3: goes to show you this is a tough business. And

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Speaker 3: I just I've always felt so grateful and the fact

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Speaker 3: that I was able to show people that I could

483
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Speaker 3: do something different is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, you definitely did. And you also bring up an

485
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Speaker 2: interesting point about this business that is hard to explain,

486
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Speaker 2: and that is that, you know, you hear a lot

487
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Speaker 2: of stories about how people you know, went in, climbed

488
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Speaker 2: over the studio gate, dropped off of tape, you know,

489
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Speaker 2: did a didn't you know, fought their way in or

490
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Speaker 2: had a career plan or whatever, and sometimes these things

491
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Speaker 2: just kind of drop out of the sky. It's like

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Speaker 2: every once in a while, you know, there'll be something

493
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Speaker 2: that'll that will come down the pike and you go, wow,

494
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Speaker 2: I thought this wasn't in my plan, but this is

495
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Speaker 2: like super cool. Uh So, I mean I think career

496
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Speaker 2: planning sometimes can be a little bit of an oxymoron,

497
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Speaker 2: except for the idea that you love it, which you said,

498
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Speaker 2: and that you're going to hang in. You know that

499
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Speaker 2: you're going to hang in through the slings and arrows

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Speaker 2: of which we both know there are many moment yep, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about On Our Sleeves. You know,

502
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Speaker 2: what we're doing here on this podcast is talking to

503
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Speaker 2: cool people like you, famous people, celebrities across all kinds

504
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: of different creative arts and sports and music who also

505
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: have something that they're passionate about and have you know,

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Speaker 2: some kind of cousets. I mean, so often people kind

507
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Speaker 2: of look at us as overpaid buffoons who really don't

508
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Speaker 2: care that much about the world, and so I'm just

509
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Speaker 2: trying to was hoping to kind of highlight some people

510
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Speaker 2: that actually do. And so you're connected to this organization

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Speaker 2: On Our Sleeves. I just want to ask you about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So on our Sleeves and I've just started working

513
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Speaker 3: with them. They I believe they were founded in twenty eighteen,

514
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: so they are this incredibly they're full of excitement and

515
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: passion for building the What they're doing getting word out

516
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: and what they're doing is very relevant and I think

517
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Speaker 3: also something that was needed even before the pandemic, but

518
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Speaker 3: now there's more focus on mental health care and especially

519
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Speaker 3: for children, and they sort of saw this whole in

520
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Speaker 3: mental health care for prevention when you're very young, for

521
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Speaker 3: young children, before you get to the point where it

522
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Speaker 3: becomes more serious. How do you it's and it's also

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Speaker 3: I really see it as helping adults as well talk

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Speaker 3: to children. How do you talk to children? How do

525
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Speaker 3: you support them if they can't have support at the

526
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Speaker 3: home in the home, how can you help support educational

527
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Speaker 3: facilities and schools, and how you talk to children and

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Speaker 3: teach them to communicate deal with their emotions. Because I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of the time you'll have people in

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Speaker 3: positions of power who are dealing with kids with problems,

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Speaker 3: so that you don't know how to recognize the issues

532
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Speaker 3: or how to talk to them about it, or how

533
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Speaker 3: to help. And when you're struggling and you want to help,

534
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Speaker 3: this is an organization that you can call and get

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Speaker 3: free resources to help support conversation with kids, help sort

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Speaker 3: of identify issues a whole slew of things, and I

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Speaker 3: just thought that was really brilliant. And someone from the

538
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Speaker 3: organization said, you know, when she was a kid, it

539
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Speaker 3: was like, you know, stop your crying or I'll give

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Speaker 3: you something to cry about kind of thing, you know.

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Speaker 3: And it's not that parents love their kids or wanted

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Speaker 3: they just had a different way of disciplining or communicating

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00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: or dealing with their own stuff. And now you know,

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Speaker 3: it's like, how many times is a kid did someone

545
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Speaker 3: sit you down and say, calm your body, how are

546
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Speaker 3: you feeling? What's a better way to ask for that?

547
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: All these different ways of communicating that help sort of

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Speaker 3: mitigate I think, anxiety and depression as you grow up.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of people that work there. I want to

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Speaker 2: bring out doctor Arianajoet, the clinical director of our Sleeves.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming out to the podcast with us. Alex

561
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: was explaining some of what you do. How did the

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Speaker 2: two of you find each other? How did this relationship begin?

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question, Bill Goldman. Joel connected us. So.

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Speaker 4: Joel joined the Honor Sleeves team this year and he's

565
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Speaker 4: really been instrumental in connecting us to people like Alex.

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Speaker 4: And Alex and I met through Instagram live when we

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Speaker 4: talked about the topic of bullying and so it was

568
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Speaker 4: really cool to meet Alex and talk about the impacts

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Speaker 4: of bullying and mental health and children.

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Speaker 2: And what is your what is your history? Uh? Doctor hood? What? What? What? What?

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Speaker 2: How did you get?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: First off, what kind of doctor are you?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: So, I'm a pediatric psychologist. I work in primary care.

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Speaker 4: So it's a unique role in that I get to

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Speaker 4: be in the office of pediatrician. And so when families

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Speaker 4: come to their doctor to take their kid for their physical,

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Speaker 4: their well visits, any questions they have about their development, behavior,

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Speaker 4: mental health, I'm there and I see them that day,

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Speaker 4: which in a time right now where we know there's

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Speaker 4: long wait lists and access is difficult to mental health professionals.

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Speaker 4: It's really cool to be able to meet families when

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Speaker 4: the question arises, and I join the Honor Sleaves team

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Speaker 4: in January. So my role as clinical directors making sure

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Speaker 4: that all the resources we are putting out there are

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Speaker 4: based on science and evidence and the things that we

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Speaker 4: know to really help children in their mental health.

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Speaker 2: And was there something in your life that specifically sent

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Speaker 2: you down this path both of becoming a pediatrician but

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Speaker 2: also medicine and then working with children and then more

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Speaker 2: specifically with mental health within that, did you what's your

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Speaker 2: how do you feel personally about the work that you do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because I recently had someone ask me like,

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Speaker 4: when did you decide to become a psychologist?

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I started right away an undergrad as a psychology and

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Speaker 4: kind of followed along. But where I am right now

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Speaker 4: in terms of working in primary care, working with on

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Speaker 4: our sleeves. Really, I'm an immigrant. I moved to the

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Speaker 4: US when I was in high school and that impacted

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Speaker 4: my mental health to be in the middle of high

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Speaker 4: school and moved to a brand new country and figuring

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Speaker 4: out where I fit and so it's really important for

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Speaker 4: me to get the information to the people that needed

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Speaker 4: the most. And in my training I realized, you know,

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Speaker 4: as psychologists were publishing in peer review journals and going

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Speaker 4: to these academic conferences, but we're preaching to the choir,

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Speaker 4: we're talking to other people in the field and so

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Speaker 4: on our Sleeves was exciting to me because it allows

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Speaker 4: us to talk to the community, talk to the parents,

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Speaker 4: the teachers, the coaches, and that's the people that need

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Speaker 4: to hear the information. So it was a very easy decision.

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Speaker 2: And explain to me, what's your description of the mission

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Speaker 2: of on our Sleeves?

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Speaker 4: Sure, so, we really our goal is to get the

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Speaker 4: free resources that we create to every.

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Speaker 3: Community in the US.

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Speaker 4: And we mean community as the diverse communities that need

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Speaker 4: are resources, but also the kind of communities the adults

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Speaker 4: that reach kids, so again, the schools, the teachers, the coaches,

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Speaker 4: the families.

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Speaker 3: And the neighbors.

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Speaker 4: Really, if you're an adult with a child in your life,

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Speaker 4: we want to get these resources to you and help

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Speaker 4: you support the mental health of the children in your life.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. That sounds like really good, good work. Are

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Speaker 2: there any specific initiatives that the that you can explain

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Speaker 2: to us they're happening right now.

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Speaker 4: Sure, So right now we launched it. May we launch

631
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Speaker 4: Operation and Conversation, and that has been really fun because

632
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Speaker 4: it's been all about getting people, adults again to talk

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Speaker 4: to the children in their lives, building the habits of

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Speaker 4: conversation with kids, and not just waiting until you're worried

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Speaker 4: about them, but really doing it every day so that

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Speaker 4: it builds a healthy relationship with the kids. It's normal

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Speaker 4: to talk to each other and that way, if you

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Speaker 4: are ever worried, it doesn't feel awkward to bring it up.

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Speaker 4: So we have resources. Oh, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Is it a guidebook I mean, or a video or

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Speaker 2: how do you I mean? I want that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So on our website at on our sleeve dot org.

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Speaker 4: We've got kind of a step by step First, how

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Speaker 4: to start the conversation, Then how do I react, how

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Speaker 4: do I keep it going? How do I respond in

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Speaker 4: a way that feels good to the child? And then

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Speaker 4: if I do have concerns, how do I set boundaries

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Speaker 4: or give advice in a way that they'll listen. We

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Speaker 4: also have these fun conversations starter that Alex actually was

650
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Speaker 4: the drive behind us really putting them out there, and

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Speaker 4: so on our website you can get a fun little

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Speaker 4: deck that that you can use at dinner time, for example,

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Speaker 4: with a lot of different questions to ask children to

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Speaker 4: get them talking.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny you mentioned dinner. We that was

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Speaker 2: something that we really pounded the table on, which was

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Speaker 2: we're having dinner together and there will be no devices.

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Speaker 2: I mean, although my kids were actually pre where we're

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Speaker 2: at right now, you know, I mean that they were

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Speaker 2: young enough so that it wasn't a part of their lives,

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Speaker 2: but my wife and I did. We'd put them down

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Speaker 2: and we would have conversations and it didn't even it

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Speaker 2: wasn't even a question that it hasn't necessarily be heavy.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it was, but just you know, just to be

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Speaker 2: able to talk. Let me ask you something, Alex. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think about your little little bit older than associate

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Speaker 2: than my kid, you know, but I think about this generation,

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Speaker 2: your generation, and yeah, there was some stuff going on

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Speaker 2: in the world for sure that was super traumatic when

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Speaker 2: I was a kid, and you know, growing up in

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Speaker 2: the in a city where there was you know, violence

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, looking at the at the Vietnam

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Speaker 2: War for instance, from a distance, not to mention. You know,

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Speaker 2: people have individual trauma that happens with with their own

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Speaker 2: lives and their family situations, or or you know, the

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Speaker 2: trauma that comes from income insecurity or food insecurity. But

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Speaker 2: starting with nine to eleven, it just seems like this

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Speaker 2: generation has just had one really tough thing after another

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Speaker 2: to deal with and right up to now. And I

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Speaker 2: think about those kids who are you know, my kids

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Speaker 2: were old enough, and even for them it was traumatic.

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Speaker 2: But just to be right, you know, if you're eight

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Speaker 2: or thirteen and the pandemic hits and your life just

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Speaker 2: shuts down in such a profound way, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like there's so many, so many more

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Speaker 2: challenges to our emotional stability, to children's emotional stability than

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Speaker 2: there used to be.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I agree with that, and I also think, you know,

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Speaker 3: the obvious one too is the Internet and the accessibility

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Speaker 3: to bullying. And there's amazing I mean, the positive thing

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Speaker 3: about it is you have access to information and all that,

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Speaker 3: But then that for a child who is not emotionally

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Speaker 3: mature enough, they're almost being forced to become kids are

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Speaker 3: almost becoming forced to become more emotionally mature than they

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Speaker 3: should be. For their age because of what they have

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Speaker 3: to deal with.

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Speaker 2: And it's sort of they can't be kids for very long.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I see it, and I just think that

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Speaker 3: the things that they have to deal with with the

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Speaker 3: Internet and with obviously the information that's coming the global

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Speaker 3: warming news and this constant doomsday sort of with no

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Speaker 3: one taking action. There's a lot of that, and I

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Speaker 3: think it's Look, there have been very difficult times for people,

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Speaker 3: and there are people who, like you said, have all

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Speaker 3: kinds of personal trauma, and but it does force kids

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Speaker 3: to learn how to process. They have to learn how

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Speaker 3: to process information and have these bigger discussions at an

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Speaker 3: earlier age than maybe they would normally. So it's a

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Speaker 3: tough thing and I think adults are navigating that. And

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Speaker 3: also this entire generation is are we're raising kids in

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Speaker 3: a world that's so different than how we were raised.

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Speaker 3: We didn't have this kind of thing. We didn't have Instagram,

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Speaker 3: We don't we can't really relate. I don't think you

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Speaker 3: can understand exactly what's going on. So there's you know,

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Speaker 3: you want to set the next generation up for success

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Speaker 3: in raising the next generation right, and they may have

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Speaker 3: better understanding of who knows how the world will change,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of it is so baffling. I can't

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Speaker 3: even imagine, you know, my step kids dealing with the

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Speaker 3: Internet the way that they do already, you know, a

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Speaker 3: young age, and they're not even teenagers yet. So I

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Speaker 3: just think it's it's very important to sort of figure

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Speaker 3: out how can we how can we teach kids to

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Speaker 3: process this information differently and learn how to be kind,

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Speaker 3: dur and sort of go against their innate instincts as

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Speaker 3: kids to be a little bit mean, Like I don't

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Speaker 3: know why. It's sort of human nature or something. As

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Speaker 3: you figure out social power constructs or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: We're just talking about bullying, but it can get out

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Speaker 3: of control too quickly, So you have to teach kids

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Speaker 3: how to think about these things differently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I think I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Doctor Howad has more insight into this.

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Speaker 2: Well, Doctor HOAt, do you have a Have you seen

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Speaker 2: an increased need for this kind of work since since

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Speaker 2: the pandemic or at least over the last few years,

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Speaker 2: I mean, school shootings, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean I think what's hard is that even

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Speaker 4: before the pandemic, the CDC released a study between twenty

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Speaker 4: nine and twenty nineteen, So right before the pandemic, we

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Speaker 4: were already seeing an increase in depression, blessness, suicidal thoughts

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Speaker 4: and behaviors. And then the pandemic happened and it absolutely

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Speaker 4: made that worse, But we were already trending towards that crisis.

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Speaker 4: And it's a lot of factors. It's everything you all

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Speaker 4: are talking about, right, It's growing up is hard, and

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Speaker 4: kids are experiencing stressors while trying to find their identity

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Speaker 4: and then they're accessing this information and their brain isn't developed.

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Speaker 4: I mean, our brain's so fully developed till we're twenty five.

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Speaker 4: So how do we truly comprehend what we're reading and

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Speaker 4: what we're being exposed to if our brain can't truly

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Speaker 4: do that? So yeah, parenting and family relationships and social

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Speaker 4: connections is what helps it. That's what gets children through

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Speaker 4: is being able to have those healthy conversations with their

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Speaker 4: family members to help them understand what they're consuming.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is fantastic this work that you guys are doing.

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Speaker 2: Can you please tell us how people can get involved

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Speaker 2: with on our sleeves, whether it's uh, you know, volunteering, donating,

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Speaker 2: what what? What? How can how can people help out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so people can access all of our resources for

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Speaker 4: free and on our sleeves dot org. You want to advocate,

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Speaker 4: you there, we have a whole section on advocacy. How

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Speaker 4: do you advocate? How do you talk about mental health?

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Speaker 4: How do you talk about it in the workplace and

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Speaker 4: your neighborhoods? And then you can follow us on our

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Speaker 4: socials and spread the words, spread the message of what

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Speaker 4: we're doing in our resources. We want to reach as

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Speaker 4: many people as possible. And then, of course we are free,

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Speaker 4: so if you would like to donate, we always appreciate

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Speaker 4: that because that's the only way that we can stay

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Speaker 4: free and make sure that anyone can access our resources.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you. You've both been very very generous to

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Speaker 2: come on and talk about this. Alex, maybe we'll, you know,

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Speaker 2: work together someday, you never know. And uh, doctor Howat

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Speaker 2: I love the work that you're doing, both of you,

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Speaker 2: so thank you. Thank you guys so much for being here,

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Speaker 2: and keep up the good work.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, see.

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Speaker 2: You down the road.

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