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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I suck like a fucking baby.

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Speaker 3: Doo goo goga shaved on leaves me on.

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Speaker 1: Sure is quiet outside?

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Speaker 3: Would be ashamed if somebody had to blow some leaves

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Speaker 3: all my neighbors.

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Speaker 1: It's six am on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: You funk walk?

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Speaker 2: Is this really necessary?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: Why are you doing it?

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Speaker 5: Because folk?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 5: That's why?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, sweet girl. Then welcome to the Now Dames

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Speaker 3: podcast on the Athletic Network. It's Tuesday, June fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: J E.

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Speaker 3: Skeet's rolling with the homie test Melice, what's up? Tests?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 3: Hey, we got my top shot hot boy Trey Kirby. Hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 3: oh the international man of mystery taking it to the max.

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Speaker 3: He forgot to even say ao. He's still laughing over

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Speaker 3: a leaf blower clip Lee Ellis JD.

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Speaker 7: I'm so glad. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting.

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Speaker 7: A million people are sending that to us, so I'm

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Speaker 7: glad you pulled it out today. That's maybe my favorite

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Speaker 3: Yes, last not least certainly making the magic happens. JD. Hello,

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Speaker 3: there he is and here we are. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 3: of people tagging us in that clip on social media channel.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. That was good. I

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Speaker 3: actually purposely didn't watch it. I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 3: I thought.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: Show that really necessary. No shout out to the stream

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Speaker 3: How's that batch looking for tomorrow's Beach devn podcast? Do

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Speaker 3: we need some bangers still from the people? Are we good?

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Speaker 4: The line has been mode and trimmed and looking crispy.

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Speaker 4: Leaf blower put away. Just sit back and relax and

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Speaker 4: enjoy the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's get our leaf blowers out on the beach.

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Speaker 3: Cost some Habit might be the worst place.

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Speaker 2: You could have a leaf blower at the beach, throwing

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Speaker 2: sand in everybody's meals. You're chewing on granules for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the day, sighting me up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If that means we're all gonna wear goggles for our

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Speaker 4: show tomorrow, protect their eyes, I'm down.

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Speaker 3: fun show lined up today. We're gonna have Tim Cato

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Speaker 3: on today's pod to discuss his athletic article on the

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Speaker 3: Evericks front office drama. This was making waves on Twitter yesterday,

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Speaker 3: so much so, in fact, and Mark Cuban just retweeted

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Speaker 3: it with total bullshit. Whoa cubes Oh my goodness. So

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Speaker 3: we'll talk to Tim about this article and all of

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Speaker 3: his reporting and what's going on there sort of behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes. We'll also run through the all defensive teams

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Speaker 3: those were announced on NBA TV last night. We'll look

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Speaker 3: ahead to tonight's pivotal Game five in Brooklyn. Some late

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Speaker 3: breaking news that James Harden has been upgraded to doubtful

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Speaker 3: But let's start by recapping last night's games. First game

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Speaker 3: at two games apiece. What are your big takeaways?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Hawks down double digits half, and then we're able

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Speaker 4: a really really tight game down the stretch last few minutes.

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Speaker 4: He just kept forcing it and forcing it and forcing it.

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Speaker 4: this this sort of impactful series, because he is impactful

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Speaker 4: seventeen and five of those games. And that's what this

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Speaker 4: He was in pain. There was an injury and coming

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Speaker 4: He said after the game that he's not going to

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Speaker 4: If Embiid is going to face a little bit of pressure,

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Speaker 4: going to force it. He's not looking good. The Hawks could,

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Speaker 4: we'll see there. I think I think the Sixers are

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Speaker 4: if he's two for twelve, I think they win this game.

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Speaker 4: everybody should be a little bit better there. But I

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Speaker 4: the Sixers first, but again, they go into Atlanta, it's

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Speaker 4: an entire season. And this is that was the question

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Speaker 4: for Joel Embiid coming into this playoffs. He's never had

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Speaker 1: He just has it.

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Speaker 4: Two years ago he had Jimmy Butler beside him. Last year,

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Speaker 4: you know they're out in the first round with Ben

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Speaker 4: There was a reason the Sixers signed him to that

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm done railing on Joel Embiid because the

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Speaker 4: Hawks did play a good game. But I do think

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was gonna puke. I tweeted that

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Speaker 3: he looked so either fatigued or in pain or a

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Speaker 3: course in that second half, he went to the locker

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Speaker 3: that's never good signed but that happens a lot with him.

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Speaker 3: But then he came out and hit some big shots.

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Speaker 3: He had that beautiful like turnaround hit a three and

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Speaker 3: a little bit better. I don't know. And you know,

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Speaker 3: he didn't really explain much after the game outside of like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: him beata side for a second. The Hawks comeback. Who

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Speaker 3: impressed you most in that second half rally? Lely John Collins.

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Speaker 7: And those are those sort of like life injecting plays,

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Speaker 7: six point game because Tobias Harris is going for a dunk,

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Speaker 7: and for a team that had really been struggling with

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Speaker 7: hoping to get. But he couldn't do that, and John

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Speaker 7: Collins was all right there for that one. But the

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Speaker 7: biggest play I think was a crucial offensive re bound

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Speaker 7: He keeps the possession alive, really good hustle offensive rebound.

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Speaker 7: Then he goes to the corner. They find him, I

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Speaker 7: Joel Embiid was a really well designed player. I thought

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Speaker 7: no question, he was the star hits and floaters had

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Speaker 7: a hit team assists in this game, which was a

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Speaker 7: little surprising. But I actually thought John collins as impact

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Speaker 7: on this game at crucial times was huge for them

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Speaker 7: because they got looks.

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Speaker 3: In that fourth quarter of this game.

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Speaker 7: You know, it was close and both teams sort of struggled,

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Speaker 7: but Gallinari had a wide open shot, Bogdanovich missed one,

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Speaker 7: Tray Young had one of his you know deep threes

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Speaker 3: So the Hawks themselves.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, I was actually pissed off with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen assists. And the huge other number to me

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Speaker 2: infectious is exactly the right word, and it even saved

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Speaker 3: I thought you came through with a.

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Speaker 2: Humongously great tweet of JC saving the Hawks. You know,

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Speaker 3: That first start of this game was brutal.

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Speaker 2: But you kind of pushed this one here, Skeets. You

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought the embat stuff was very weird.

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Speaker 2: lot like Patrick Ewing missing in Game seven nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 3: Should have been a bucket.

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Speaker 2: He was open man like and that's a bucket for

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Speaker 2: most of the season for Embiid. But he just didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was very puzzling to see he was

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Speaker 1: His legs aren't right.

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Speaker 4: It's it was just strange to go from a decent

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Speaker 1: Something just went.

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Speaker 4: You know, it went from four of eight in the

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Speaker 4: that is similar to what we have seen in the past.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, Tobias just needed to step up. And then

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Speaker 3: Think of Simmons not even being on the floor at

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Speaker 3: the end there, Lily, when they they're down three, you

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Speaker 7: sometimes you see sometimes guys who were not great defensively

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Speaker 7: because that's I think what Doc Rivers was thinking. And

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Speaker 7: but yeah, that is, yeah, that's not a good look

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Speaker 2: He was so good in Game three and so aggressive

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Speaker 3: In games two and three. Yeah, Young was amazing down

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that very solid play, is that

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Speaker 3: but he obviously wasn't himself. We're all agreeing with that.

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Speaker 3: That's when you need your secondary third guys, your other

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: The good thing is from the Hawks perspective is that

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Speaker 4: And so that's a positive for the Atlanta Hawks. Even

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Speaker 4: Got everybody involved out there, and yeah, it was great

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Speaker 1: Been Trey Trey and the bog Dan Show for much.

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Speaker 4: Of this this playoffs and this series and the Kevin

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Speaker 3: So a few questions and notes before we move on

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Speaker 3: to the other game. Lee, I got to ask you,

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Speaker 3: and I don't want us to get us fighting again

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Speaker 3: feel about that one and the official especially involving in

435
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Speaker 3: Australian that you're.

436
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 7: Like, oh, that's it, I'm biased. Anything Australian was always perfect, right,

437
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,439
Speaker 7: I've never criticized an Australian ever. I think they got

438
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 7: the recall right again. I think it was a hard

439
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,720
Speaker 7: playoff foul. Simmons was going to stop him from getting

440
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 7: a dunk or a layup or whatever. Now he got

441
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,720
Speaker 7: it just right. If Collins is in the air, there's

442
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,440
Speaker 7: no question that's a flagrant too. If you take a

443
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,399
Speaker 7: guy out when he's elevated, but he gets in just

444
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 7: as he's still on the ground.

445
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,160
Speaker 3: There what he did immediately after the foul, yeah, yeah.

446
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,159
Speaker 7: He went over to him and John Collins acknowledged that

447
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,520
Speaker 7: as well.

448
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that, you know, I.

449
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,399
Speaker 7: Think there's a there's just such a difference zone between

450
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 7: those two pounds. One is a legit hard fair playoff foul,

451
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,120
Speaker 7: you know, like the guy. The guy was just saying,

452
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,560
Speaker 7: I'm not giving you a lay up here, And I

453
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 7: think that's the big difference. This is not the other

454
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:46,919
Speaker 7: end of the court, you know.

455
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 3: So I didn't have any another point I was making

456
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 3: with he didn't do himself any fevers after the hard foul.

457
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 3: Possibly he approaches it a little differently. I think he

458
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 3: maybe a steers in that game. But anyway, but I.

459
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 7: Don't think I certainly didn't see anyone thinking that was

460
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 7: a flagrant too last night. I think the referees I

461
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 7: think everyone sort of acknowledged, like, you know, there's no

462
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 7: easy baskets in a tight playoff game like that. Simmons

463
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 7: got him, he acknowledged it. He doesn't. He didn't try

464
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,640
Speaker 7: to act as if he wasn't trying to fail him.

465
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 7: He got him, and Colin stayed on his feet as well,

466
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 7: so it wasn't like he whacked him and sent him

467
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 7: sprawling into the crowd.

468
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 3: So I thought they got that cool right.

469
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: Must have been a good apology too, because I thought

470
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 2: John Collins still wanted to throw down when he got up,

471
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 2: he was pretty angry. But then Ben Simmons like, hey man,

472
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 2: I didn't mean He's like, okay, Yeah, maybe that was

473
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 2: Ben Simmons' best best move last night because he was

474
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: very aggressive going for that flagrant file and then a

475
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: very aggressive apology, and maybe that saved him an ejection.

476
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened, but yeah, that was a

477
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 2: flagrant one. He smacked him. But it's weird because I

478
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 2: don't know. That does feel like a little bit more

479
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 2: of a dangerous play to me, body checking a guy

480
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: who's going up for a layup rather than just smacking

481
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 2: at a ball on the other side of the court,

482
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I thought they should have both

483
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: been flagrant ones, but I don't know. It was a

484
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of when you knew that the that the

485
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 2: Hawks were looking good, because it felt like the Philadelphia

486
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: seventy six ers were a little bit rattled on that play.

487
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 4: But still it's still a big part of it is

488
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 4: all about the landing and what happens. Yeah, you know,

489
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 4: after the hit that all. That's always the case with

490
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 4: with these extra curriculars. If John Collins, you know, does

491
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 4: more than just a double axle and lands perfectly on

492
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 4: his foot, he actually hits the desh shut out, totally

493
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 4: totally different. We're still shutting out Brian Orson thirty years.

494
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: I love to shut out Brian Orser eighty eight Calgary Olympics.

495
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 4: Oh yeah man, yeah, if he falls flat like a

496
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 4: figure skater who's falling flat on his face before he

497
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 4: got one of those.

498
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: Skates, well, I mean no, the thing is once you

499
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 3: say Brian Orser, who's the other Brian that immediately comes

500
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 3: to mind, Botana, thank you, Yes, gold med winner, Yes,

501
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: falling Elvis Stuik will ever come up shortly final? Yeah

502
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: he was pretty impressive though. Yeah, No, anyway, I think

503
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: they got it right well, agreeing with that with a

504
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 3: fighterrant one Lee, have you looked into Game six tickets?

505
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 3: So it was tweeting out you sro are we going

506
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 3: back down to the fortune? By all accounts, that was

507
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: maybe like the loudest the Atlanta Arena had ever been.

508
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 3: I saw some people like Niek bird Days and like

509
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: when the Celtics and Hawks got into it in a

510
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: series with like Zaza Paculio was involved. I think against

511
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: like a garden net, like that's what it was popping

512
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 3: off too. But it was loud on the broadcast and

513
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: we knew people that were there last night. They were

514
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: like that building was going insane again. I'm just like

515
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 3: pissed off. We went to game three instead of Game

516
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 3: four because it did seem like, obviously a much more

517
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 3: entertaining game and the crowd was going crazy. But what

518
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: is game six looking like?

519
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 7: No standing rooms on sayo yet, but they usually don't

520
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 7: go on until a little bit later. But listen, there's

521
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 7: a there's a watch party. You do't want to get

522
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 7: down and watch game five?

523
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: Nah?

524
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that.

525
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 7: No, No, I will say, yeah, but Friday night again,

526
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 7: that's perfect. That's the perfect night for watching basketball.

527
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: Friday night, the perfect night for watching basketball. Why is

528
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: it better than any other night? Because everyone's the end

529
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: of the week.

530
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 7: Everyone's excited. It's a great seven thirty tip off. It's

531
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 7: the weekend coming, you know, you can always it's not

532
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 7: a school night, you know. I mean it's like school's

533
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 7: out right now anyway. But it's just a great night

534
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 7: to go down and everyone's having fun.

535
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 3: Wasn't it a great even though they lost? For the

536
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: show too? Means you don't have to be taking notes

537
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: while you're watching me. You can just have your big

538
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: tall boy there. What were you drinking? A Modello? And

539
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: I can't remember what you're Peroni?

540
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 7: You guys on the Paroni? Yek that other michelob or

541
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 7: whatever that track Modello?

542
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 3: My friend?

543
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 7: Okay, Medella is okay, It's okay as long as it's

544
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 7: not bud.

545
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: Because classically ls again like the bar is like one

546
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: foot from us goes over to it. Oh do you

547
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: have any PIRONI? No, okay, I'm not going to get

548
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: a MODELO. You started drinking Peroni though you wouldn't got it?

549
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

550
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 3: No, I didn't. Who's good for you? Oh?

551
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 4: Thank you man that micro bubbles.

552
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Everybody loves a micro bubble.

553
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: They're you know, all beer in as I was gonna say,

554
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: but it's just overpriced.

555
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 7: What we do have to do, though, was get there

556
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 7: early because standing room that plumb spot was already taken

557
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 7: when we got you guys are there like forty five

558
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 7: minutes before tip off. There's already a couple of bros there,

559
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 7: So you've gotta get there early.

560
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

561
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 4: I was there ninety minutes before tip off, but I

562
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: was taken in the scenes. There's a lineup outside the

563
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: arena ninety minutes before tip off. That's how either one

564
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 4: Hawks fans are excited for basketball or two people just

565
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 4: need things to do stand outside in arena. I haven't

566
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 4: stood outside in the arena in like a year and

567
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: a half. I'm gonna go hang outside of.

568
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,959
Speaker 3: The All right, game six down at the Fortress. We

569
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: know we're getting that at the very least. Okay, let's

570
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: go to the other game from last night. Kawhi and

571
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 3: Paul George each scored thirty one. Clippers tied this series

572
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: with the Jazz two games a piece. Leally, this one

573
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: was I mean, look, it fell over at the half

574
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: we're being on especially after the Kawhi dunk Jazz what

575
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: they got as close as thirteen, Maybe it never felt

576
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: like the Clips were in trouble. Yeah, but we're your

577
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: takeaway from this.

578
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you say the first off. I mean often

579
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 7: in the NBA, the first quarter is sort of the

580
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 7: least important. But last night's game was pretty much over

581
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 7: after that first quarter. And I think this was an

582
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 7: even more decisive victory than Game three, basically a continuation

583
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 7: from that where the Clippers pulled away in the fourth.

584
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 7: This time they just destroyed the Jazz in that first

585
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 7: quarter and Quinn Snyder when Greg Popovich called his first

586
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 7: time out two minutes into the game, and even then

587
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 7: you could sort of feel like the Jazz are just

588
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 7: not ready for this game.

589
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: They weren't.

590
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 7: They weren't. They just didn't bring the energy. And even

591
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 7: when he did call that time out, he got out

592
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 7: to twenty nine points in the second quarter. That is

593
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 7: just an embarrassment for the Jazz, you know, for a

594
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 7: team that's got fantastic offense and a fantastic defense, just

595
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 7: giving up everything at one end and not being able

596
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 7: to score at the other was really bad. And it

597
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 7: was look it was the Clipper starts. He led the

598
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 7: way again and I'll get to Kawahi and just to

599
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 7: set because he was brilliant. But for all the Slander

600
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 7: playoff p has gotten, he's been awesome in the last

601
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 7: two games and really the last three. He had a

602
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 7: bit of a bad shooting night in game one, but

603
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 7: the last three games he's been much better. And last

604
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 7: night thirty one points on really efficient shooting. Hit the threes,

605
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 7: got to the line, and I just thought he took

606
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 7: really smart shots the threes when they were open off

607
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 7: a screen. He took those mid rangers if they were there,

608
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 7: and he sort of slithers into the lane the way

609
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 7: that he does that, and it opens up and look,

610
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 7: Joe Ingles again, I'm gonna have to say something bad

611
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 7: about in Australia.

612
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: I sha'n't believe it. Joe Ingles.

613
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 7: We know, you know he loves to play the mental

614
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 7: games there with Paul George and get into his head.

615
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 7: But physically he's way too slow to guard him on

616
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 7: the perimeter. And a couple of times Paul Georgia said, okay,

617
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 7: I'm just going into the lane, you know, like we

618
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 7: saw with Trey Young and Danny Green in the first

619
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 7: game of the sixth series. He just walks past and

620
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 7: then he can decide, Okay, I've got a mid ranger here,

621
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 7: or he was passing the board really well last night,

622
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 7: but either way, he kind of got whatever he wanted.

623
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 7: And then Kawhi, you know who was defended well by

624
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 7: Bogdanovitch in the first two games. He's basically decided since then, Listen,

625
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 7: I'm much better as an offensive player than he is.

626
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 7: And whatever the Jazz are throwing at me defensively because

627
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 7: O'Neil had to go at him last night, Clarkson and

628
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 7: Bogdanovitch got some time on as well. He's deciding, right,

629
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 7: I can beat this perimeter defender and get to that

630
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 7: midrange if I want it before go Bear or Favors

631
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 7: can come out, and so he gets he gets a

632
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 7: pretty much un tested shot there, or he was stepping

633
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 7: back into the three, and he also got to the

634
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 7: free throw line fourteen times. I think it was last night.

635
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 7: Paul George and Kawhi Leonard are in control of this

636
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 7: series right now. I mean, the Jazz remain favorite because

637
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 7: they have home court advantage here, but I've seen the

638
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 7: two stars really step up and again a lot of

639
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 7: credit has to go to those two. But also Tyler,

640
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 7: they've been down oh two in their first round series.

641
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 7: They got out of that, they were down two in

642
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 7: this series, and now they've you know, they've kind of

643
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 7: swung momentum their way. Game five is massive in this series.

644
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 7: And if you have some would say that, yeah, but

645
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 7: if you're the Clippers, you've got to feel like we

646
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 7: have kind of found a way here to penetrate and

647
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 7: break down this offense. Excuse me, this defense from the Jazz.

648
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 7: They gave up one hundred and thirty two points in

649
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 7: Game three and then last night I think it was

650
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 7: only one hundred and sixteen, but it was way more

651
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Speaker 7: meaningful in the sense that this game was certainly over

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Speaker 7: by halftime, if it wasn't over by the first quarter.

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Speaker 7: So I have to say I've been really impressed with

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Speaker 7: why the Clippers have done. And TYLERU basically said these

655
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Speaker 7: am I id to nine guys I'm going with and

656
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Speaker 7: that's it. And he's sort of coached this team well

657
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Speaker 7: to get back into this position after again being down

658
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Speaker 7: out two in a series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tass, what do you think? How badly do the

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Speaker 3: Jazz need a guy like Mike Conley back in the

661
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Speaker 3: mix here, and I don't know what his status is

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Speaker 3: for Game five or moving forward in this series, but

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Speaker 3: they could use a little jolt there to help out

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Speaker 3: Mitchell right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt they need another ball handler because the

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Speaker 4: Clippers are ready to guard if you just watch them,

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Speaker 4: especially now that they've gone with essentially a point guard

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Speaker 4: and four wings out there, no center to start, they

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Speaker 4: are ready to switch. I don't think there's a team

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Speaker 4: that talks more on defense. They are Chatty's out there

671
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Speaker 4: because they're switching everything and that's really taking Rudy Gobert

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Speaker 4: out of the out of the game offensively at one

673
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Speaker 4: point midway through the third quarter, but he's not going

674
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Speaker 4: to take anybody down low and dominate them. And then

675
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Speaker 4: he got to go in a little bit with the

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Speaker 4: pick and roll from Joe Ingles that they just kind

677
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Speaker 4: of found a little bit they need to go in

678
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Speaker 4: with the switching defense that is in front of everybody.

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Speaker 4: They're doing a really, really good job and they're taking

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Speaker 4: away those twos because they're so quick. This is a

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Speaker 4: game that the Jazz win the three point battle. They

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Speaker 4: hit more threes, but the Clippers are doing such a

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Speaker 4: good job of taking away everything inside, really helping on

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Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell, even though Donovan Mitchell got his again because

685
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Speaker 4: he is that talented. But yeah, the kudos got to

686
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: go to Tyloo for deciding that, you know, we can

687
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: win with Reggie Jackson at the point. And then you

688
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: know four switchers in Kawhi, Paul George, Marcus Morris, and

689
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Speaker 4: Nicola Batum who have no problem stepping up and hitting

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Speaker 4: big shots. They are all stepping into their shots. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighteen points may not have been enough

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Speaker 4: to beat a regular season Jazz team, but when you're

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Speaker 4: playing defense like this and you get you know, multiple

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Speaker 4: threes from from Marcus Morris and then the bench comes

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Speaker 4: through the way it's coming through the Clippers, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think they're the favorite, even though they're on the road.

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Speaker 4: They're playing like the better team, no doubt. Yeah, they

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Speaker 4: need they desperately need Conley to just to break up

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Speaker 4: that defense and to be able to get to the rim.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Clipper's a bend.

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Speaker 2: In control of this series basically since the second half

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Speaker 2: of Game two. Even though the Jazz got the win,

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Speaker 2: it was more stake for the Clippers last night and yeah,

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00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: kudos to Tylu, but honestly, kudos to Kawhi Leonard and

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Speaker 2: Paul George. Back to back games where both of them

706
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Speaker 2: having thirty. Then, like you're saying tasks, you throw in

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Speaker 2: five threes from Marcus Morris, a pretty solid shooting performance

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Speaker 2: from the Clippers. All things considered, you can't give up

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Speaker 2: all three. That's what I said after Game three. You

710
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Speaker 2: can't have a thirty point game, a thirty point game

711
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Speaker 2: in good shooting from the role players.

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Speaker 3: I was told the Jazz were a good defensive team.

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Speaker 2: But this is looking easy for the Clippers right now

714
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Speaker 2: because Kawhi Leonard has taken it to another level. Another

715
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Speaker 2: massive dunk last night. Oh so big of a dunk

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Speaker 2: that Joel Embiid saw it in his press conference and

717
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Speaker 2: couldn't resist commenting on it. But Kawhi Leonard doesn't have

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Speaker 2: social media, so Aviza Zubats had to tell him about

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Speaker 2: Joel Embiid seeing his dunk during his press conference. Everything's

720
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: getting around. Kawhi now has probably the two best dunks

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Speaker 2: in the postseason, both after being down oh two, Well,

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Speaker 2: I guess the second one. I guess it was Game

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Speaker 2: two against the Mavericks. That he had his first dunk

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Speaker 2: on Kleiba. But Kawhi looks like he has really turned

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Speaker 2: it into terminator mode right here. You know, Bogdanovich had

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Speaker 2: some success in games one and two of this series,

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Speaker 2: and that has not been the case at this point.

728
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Speaker 3: Just gotta score inside.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, task. They gotta do something besides just

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Speaker 2: shoot three pointers and rely on Donovan Mitchell here. I

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Speaker 2: would have liked to see a little bit more Ingles

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Speaker 2: and go Baar in the pick and roll. But like

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Speaker 2: you're saying, Lee, Paul George was kind.

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Speaker 3: Of torching Joe Ingles.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know where you're at. Conley helps big

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Speaker 2: time moves, Jordan Clarkson down a little bit in the

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Speaker 2: pecking order, somebody else who can get the driving kicks going.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, the Clippers shout out to Alex Wong. When

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00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: the Clippers get down oh two, they turn into the

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Speaker 2: ninety six Bowls. For whatever reason, they're suddenly amazing. Maybe

741
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Speaker 2: this was the key. They should have never got up

742
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: three to one last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just Morris back to him. He is a

744
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: massive X factor for the Clippers, and in these playoffs

745
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: he's he's sixteen, twenty seven, so sixty percent basically on

746
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: three pointers during the wins for the Clips and then

747
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: seven to thirty three from from downtown twenty one percent

748
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: in the five losses. It sure helps, like when all

749
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: eyes are on the two stars in PG and Kawhi,

750
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: to have a guy out there like him that again

751
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: he can catch fire and then he starts letting it

752
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: go and he sees one or two go in Lee,

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00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: that guy's like, I'm shooting the next one, and fair

754
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: on him because he's a bit of a streaky shooter

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00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: that way. So he's a huge X factor. Then good win.

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00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: This one's tied at two games apiece, just like the

757
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: Hawk's sixers series. And yeah, we'll see what happens with Conley.

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00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: You're right, TK. They could use him driving in there,

759
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: the little floater game that we know he loves, that

760
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: can hit, and then just setting guys up too, just

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00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: indefensively by Conley, you know, at one hundred percent health

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00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: at least is fantastic on the perimeter, and they could

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00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: use some of that right now. So we will see. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got to get to our guest. Let's take a

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Speaker 3: quick breakdown to hear from our sponsors. All right, let's

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Speaker 3: bring in today's guest. We've kept him waiting long enough.

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Speaker 3: Tim Cato is a staff writer for The Athletic covering

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Mavericks. Tim, what's up man?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Hey fellows, how are you?

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Speaker 3: We're fantastic The MAVs, Luka Doncic yourself all trending on

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Speaker 3: Twitter yesterday due to a stellar piece written by you

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Speaker 3: and our colleague Sam Amic concerning a potential rift within

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Speaker 3: the Mavericks front office. It's titled Inside the Mavericks Front Office,

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00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: Mark Cuban's Shadow gm is causing a rift with Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 3: What a headline. Shout out to the Athletic headline writers

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Speaker 3: for that one. Highly recommend everybody listening and joining us

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Speaker 3: live in the stream team. Seek this article out. Go

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Speaker 3: to the Athletic dot com slash no dunks to get

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00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: your subscription for The Athletic if you don't have one,

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Speaker 3: and check this out. So, Tim, this made this made

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00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: waves yesterday, and I just want to know, first off,

782
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: like when and sort of how did this story start

783
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: coming together? Like when did the reporting start on this?

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Speaker 1: For you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, It's something I've been hearing about for months now.

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00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 6: To be honest, It's definitely something that I knew, you know,

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Speaker 6: it felt like this summer was when it was going

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00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 6: to reach an inflection point and kind of a you

789
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 6: know that this stuff was gonna to you know, all

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Speaker 6: the dynamics and the through lines of the front office.

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Speaker 6: You know, we're going to come to a head. And

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00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 6: you know, no matter what I wrote or otherwise, someone

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00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 6: asked me, I thought a really intuitive question yesterday, and

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Speaker 6: it's like, would we still be talking about this if

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00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 6: the Mavericks who had that lead in Game three were

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00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 6: close to pushing off the Clippers? You know, things have

797
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 6: just gone slightly different on the game. Would we still

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Speaker 6: be talking about the story, you know, if they had

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Speaker 6: gone on in advanced to the second round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we would. I'm almost certain we would.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's all stuff that i'd heard and been working on

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Speaker 6: and hearing before that. So so that's kind of the process.

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Speaker 6: And I'll apologize for my like tattooine looking space station video.

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Speaker 6: I'm on a backup laptop. Had a laptop malfunction last week.

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Speaker 6: That was a poorly timed Oh.

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Speaker 2: The least I thought you were going to say your

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Speaker 2: laptop exploded after your Twitter mentions caught on fire yesterday.

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Speaker 2: What's the fallout been like for you after the article

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Speaker 2: came out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean people are gonna say what they what

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Speaker 6: they say.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've you know.

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Speaker 6: The source thing of the story is there and people

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Speaker 6: should go read it. The one thing that you know,

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Speaker 6: I've kind of gone back to is that you can

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Speaker 6: look at what happened in Game seven against the Clippers

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Speaker 6: when Luka Doncic and you know, he had what forty

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Speaker 6: six points and fourteen assists, and you don't need reporting.

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Speaker 1: To look at this.

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Speaker 6: You know, look at the game not being competitive in

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Speaker 6: the in the final minute and say that's an indictment

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Speaker 6: on the front office. You know, you don't need reporting

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Speaker 6: to look back over the last ten decades of the

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00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 6: Mavericks and say that's also an indictment on the front office.

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Speaker 6: And there's clearly, you know, something going on there that

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Speaker 6: the team isn't functioning well enough. And you also, I

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Speaker 6: don't think need reporting to look at Luca and to

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Speaker 6: think that he is a superstar in the NBA and

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Speaker 6: in the NBA, superstars want to win. And you know,

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Speaker 6: that's kind of what the reporting says in the story

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Speaker 6: is that his long term desire. His current desire is

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Speaker 6: to remain in Dallas long term, but that could change

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Speaker 6: if the team doesn't start winning. And we know how

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Speaker 6: much Lucas won throughout his career. He's happy right now.

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Speaker 6: He's going to sign the super Max extension. That's what

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00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 6: leak sources you know, have told me, and I write

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Speaker 6: it in the article that said the clock is ticking,

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Speaker 6: and you know, it's something that you have to pay

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Speaker 6: attention to, and the time to figure out whatever is

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Speaker 6: wrong or not working in the front office is now.

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Speaker 7: Tim You've got a lot of engagement on it, fair

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00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 7: enough to it was a great article, but the biggest

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Speaker 7: retweet was from the biggest name and the biggest voice

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Speaker 7: there in the mavericks Off front office, Mark Cuban. I mean,

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Speaker 7: what's your relationship like, did you let him know this

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Speaker 7: article was coming, did he have some idea it was

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Speaker 7: going to be there? And did you I know you

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Speaker 7: reached out to Harlebob for comment. Did you reach out

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Speaker 7: to Mark Cuban as well prior to printing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's the typical way that people reach

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00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 6: out for stories like this is to do with the

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Speaker 6: morning of I give him a few hours. It's you know,

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Speaker 6: I did get a comment from him, you know, and

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Speaker 6: ultimately he declined comment otherwise, but you know, you know,

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Speaker 6: it's it's he's someone I've I've talked.

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Speaker 1: To and and you know, other than that, we'll leave

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Speaker 1: it there.

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Speaker 3: At the center I mean of this, this rift, this

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Speaker 3: controversy is Lee mentioned him there, Bob blgeris now he's

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Speaker 3: the MAVs Director of Quantitative Research and Development. NBA sickos

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00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: out there or Twitter nerds will know him from probably

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00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: back in the day where he was pretty active on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: He was always on the Bill Simmons podcast. It was

865
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: a professional gambler, made a lot of money embedding on

866
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: the NBA and sort of putting pumping money into figuring

867
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: out how to bet I guess is the best way

868
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: to put it. And you know, within this article, Tim,

869
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 3: you point out that he's become like an influential voice.

870
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: So how did that sort of become about? How did

871
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: that happen and why is he sort of at the

872
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: center all of this between maybe his relationship with the players,

873
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: mainly Luca and even Rick Carlisle, which I think is

874
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 3: a fascinating part of this This article where it's like

875
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: maybe he's like almost dictating you know, lineups and who

876
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: should play and stuff like that. But he is the

877
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: uh you know, the center piece of this article. Is

878
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: he not Vulgarison and sort of how he deals with

879
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: the within the organization?

880
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know, obviously he is. You know,

881
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 6: he's in the headline. You know, if you if you

882
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 6: put shadow GM in there, that's that's where a lot

883
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 6: of the focus is going to go.

884
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: I knew that.

885
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 6: In some ways, I view him as as a as

886
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 6: a character who shows you know, these competing interests in

887
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 6: the front office and shows that you know, as as

888
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 6: one anonymous source says, we had two gms, and to me,

889
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 6: in some ways, I even see that as the primary

890
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 6: takeaway from the story. But it's definitely true that you know,

891
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 6: a lot of the details I have and we're aware

892
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 6: you know this would be you know, how it's received

893
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 6: are focused around Bob and it's clear that you know,

894
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: he's someone who you know, had a level of influence

895
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 6: over Mark. He was someone he he talked to officially

896
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 6: joined the team in twenty eighteen when he was actually

897
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 6: phys around and announced. But but he has you know,

898
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: over time, his his style or or his way of

899
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 6: communication certainly war on players for you know whatever. You know,

900
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 6: there's there's two incidents with Luca that are that are

901
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 6: talked about in the piece, but it's not either one

902
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 6: of those alone that that single handed these you know,

903
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 6: spent their relationship or sent it spiraling it. It had

904
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 6: always already been something building from that. And you know,

905
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 6: there's sources that in the article that say that there's

906
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 6: other players who have similar frustrations and so you know,

907
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 6: all that, you know, paints a picture of someone who

908
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 6: you know, perhaps you know when it when a player

909
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 6: looks at carl you know Rick Carlisle and rotations he's dictating,

910
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 6: and when they see that as being you know, something

911
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 6: being dictated to him, yeah, that's that's going to be

912
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 6: a problem in the locker room and and it's going

913
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 6: to be something that that affects the team. And so

914
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 6: you know, I think that's that's all in there, that's

915
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 6: all in the story, and and you know I thought

916
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 6: it was you know, it's it's it's been an interesting

917
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 6: process just kind of working through and reporting all the

918
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 6: very aspects of it, for sure.

919
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: So Tim Bob Vulgaris was hired in twenty eighteen as

920
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 4: the director of Quantitative Research and Development. Two questions off

921
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: that his contract expires, you know at the end of

922
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 4: this season, is part of the Luca requirement going forward

923
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 4: as far as tinkering the front office that vulgaris isn't

924
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 4: rehired or resigned. And the second thing, you know, I

925
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 4: was very interested in these these sort of analytical hires

926
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: that are happening, these these shiny hires that are happening

927
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: where it's kind of unclear what these people are doing

928
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 4: in the front office. Mark Cuban sort of hinted that

929
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 4: there's a lot of artificial intelligence. There's a model that

930
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: Bob Vulgers developed. So the second question with Bob is

931
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 4: have you sort of understood better what he does.

932
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: Exactly in the mass for office.

933
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think for the first one, you know,

934
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 6: there was a point the second moment with Luca where

935
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 6: he was upset he left what you know, Luca was upset,

936
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 6: Bob left a game early after that, Bob kind of

937
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 6: stepped into a remote role that, you know, as far

938
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 6: as it seemed, or as far as I heard, was

939
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 6: valuable or had some level of value. I don't know

940
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 6: what's going to happen this summer. I truly don't. It

941
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 6: would be surprising to think that the almost shocking that

942
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 6: the exact power structure and the way that the front

943
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 6: office operates would would continue to exist the same as

944
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 6: it did before the season or over the past few seasons.

945
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: But at the same time, this is a you know,

946
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 6: this is a front office and a team just generally

947
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 6: where tenures are very established. Donnie Nelson has been, you know,

948
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: the longtime president of basketball operations. He's been in his

949
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 6: role since two thousand and five, and so in some ways,

950
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 6: I don't think that it's it's wrong that the Mavericks

951
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 6: would bring a new voice in in some way, and

952
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 6: I think that's what Bob was.

953
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways.

954
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 6: He was analytically minded, you know, doing a lot of

955
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 6: the same as I understand it, doing a lot of

956
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 6: the same work with that that you see even from

957
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 6: blog post.

958
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: And in some ways when you're really looking at.

959
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 6: Lineup data and matchup data and then going further with

960
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 6: second spectrum stuff and other things that aren't fully available

961
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 6: even to the public. So you know, as far as

962
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 6: AI go, that's that's beyond what I have a scope of.

963
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 6: But you know, I think generally that the way the

964
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 6: Mavericks have been more analytics focused, and you've even seen

965
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 6: it in Carlisle, who's who's more willing to talk about

966
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 6: this stuff over the past few years. Famously, he was

967
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 6: the you know, the guy who said the post up

968
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 6: is not a good play talking about Christ's Perzingis when

969
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: inside inside the NBA criticized, you know, perzingis or not

970
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 6: just not being a post up player. So I think

971
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 6: that all of this combined, you know, there's value. You know,

972
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 6: this This wasn't a to me, This wasn't a piece

973
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 6: specifically about how Bob came into a front office that

974
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 6: everything was going swimmingly. It's a bigger story than that,

975
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 6: and I think the role he played had value. Clearly,

976
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 6: it wasn't effective in the way that they brought it

977
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 6: in and you know, brought him in, and just generally

978
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 6: that that you know, there were clearly competing interest and

979
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 6: power lanes and through lanes throughout this whole thing.

980
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: So, you know, I think that's probably.

981
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 6: How I would kind of summarize how the how the

982
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 6: whole situation went down. And I guess we'll just see

983
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 6: what happens this summer.

984
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, you talk about, like in last year's draft, how

985
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 7: Bob kind of made the two picks for them without

986
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 7: even really consulting the rest of the team. Now, Luke

987
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 7: is obviously a huge part here, but how much of

988
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 7: an impact you think could have that other people within

989
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 7: the organization could almost resign and say, listen, he's got

990
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 7: too much power if I'm not going to be listened to,

991
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 7: if I'm not going to be allowed to have my

992
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 7: work respected, Because it sounds kind of like Bob was like,

993
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 7: we're picking him and picking him and those were the

994
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 7: choices we made, sort of overruling those other guys, the

995
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 7: scouts and the other people you know, on the lower

996
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 7: level there that make or do all the research and

997
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 7: present that to Dinny or Mark or whoever it is.

998
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 7: So do you feel that maybe some of those people

999
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 7: could feel like, you know, what, if they're not going

1000
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 7: to move on from Bulb or not, you know, bring

1001
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 7: him back, then I'm going to go elsewhere and find work.

1002
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I think that's an intuitive reading of things.

1003
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 6: How much Bob himself, his his personality, the way he

1004
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 6: interacts with people just specifically frustrated and rubbed and you know,

1005
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 6: annoyed people over his tenure. I certainly heard, you know,

1006
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 6: from you know, a lot of sources that that was

1007
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 6: the case or you know, but I think I think

1008
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 6: the other reading of that is is just what you

1009
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 6: said that you know, it's that if this person is

1010
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 6: taking more power and influence to the point that Mark

1011
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 6: Cuban is listening to him for draft picks, when they

1012
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 6: have an entire scouting network, when they you know, when

1013
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 6: they have a general manager, the team president, and Donnie Nelson,

1014
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 6: who I think is relatively you know, known for his

1015
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 6: draft prominence or pedigree or just expertise there.

1016
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think both can be true.

1017
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 6: Is that you know, as one source in the story says,

1018
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 6: the most powerful person in the Mavericks organization is Mark Cuban,

1019
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 6: but the second most is whoever he's listening to. And so,

1020
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 6: you know, there's the there's a lot of there's a

1021
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 6: lot of competing interest in through lines and influences and

1022
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 6: you know, even even still like I feel like, you know,

1023
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 6: I think the story does a good job showing the

1024
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 6: dynamics at play, but but I feel like there's even

1025
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 6: you know, it's quite possible these are even you know,

1026
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 6: more layers to you know just how many people are

1027
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 6: trying to push one way or the other in this

1028
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 6: front office. And you know, again, hopefully it's something we

1029
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 6: see this summer, whether it's through more reporting for me

1030
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 6: or others, or just kind of the team announcing new

1031
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 6: structures and stuff like that.

1032
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: What do you think the mavericks Number one priority, uh

1033
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: is this offseason? Tim? I mean, either either in the

1034
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: front office or even on the on the floor, when

1035
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 3: it comes to players and guys that they should look

1036
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: to acquire and trying to build a team, an actual

1037
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: team that can go far around this, you know, what

1038
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: appears to be a generational superstar And look at Doncics.

1039
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 3: What would you do?

1040
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: What if?

1041
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: What if you're the Harla bomb? Tim, You've got You've

1042
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: got Cubans here, what are you telling them to do?

1043
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: Well?

1044
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 6: If I'm Bob, then I just make AI figure it

1045
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 6: out for that. That seems like the players. Yeah, you know,

1046
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: in some ways, I think, you know, still the biggest

1047
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 6: question for the team is you know, revolves around christophs

1048
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 6: Ferzingis actually and he's someone who wasn't in the piece

1049
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 6: and it isn't you know, somewhere in my reporting led

1050
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 6: me throughout this process. But but I think that's you know,

1051
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 6: in many ways the big question looming, and I don't

1052
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 6: I don't think that they're going to get an answer to.

1053
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: It this offseason.

1054
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 6: It's hard to see you know, they're even being viable

1055
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: trade partners out there if that's something they're looking to do. So,

1056
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 6: you know, there's there's clearly, you know, with the with

1057
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 6: the team losing twice in the past two years in

1058
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 6: the first round, you know there there are valuable good

1059
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 6: players on this roster to surround Luca with, but there

1060
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 6: aren't enough of them. You know. I mentioned Game seven

1061
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 6: earlier and just you know how much Luca did compared

1062
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 6: to how much the rest of the roster did. You know,

1063
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 6: clearly there needs to be talent upgrades and improvements. It's

1064
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 6: something that talked about a lot, you know, at exit

1065
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 6: interviews when when the team was was wrapping up to

1066
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 6: head on vacation.

1067
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

1068
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 6: You know, it's something Rick Carlisle talked about. It's something

1069
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 6: Donnie talked about. No, no Bob at that one. So

1070
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 6: sorry sorry to report, but but yeah, you know, I

1071
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 6: think just bringing more better talented players around Luca. You know, personally,

1072
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 6: I think the idea of a of a a guard,

1073
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 6: a two way guard who can play off the ball,

1074
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 6: but but also still you know, take the reins and

1075
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 6: take the load and the pressure off. Luca does seem

1076
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 6: like a good idea. I don't know if he's at

1077
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 6: a point where he's ready to really share a backcourt,

1078
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Speaker 6: but I think someone like Kyle Lowry could could certainly

1079
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 6: dictate that and and you know, walk that line with

1080
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 6: someone like Luca.

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Speaker 1: It's something I look into. He's also you know, a

1082
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: bit older.

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Speaker 6: I'd have to think about what the what the price

1084
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 6: tag would be and just how that kind of meshes

1085
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 6: and and morse with all the other moves.

1086
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: Like, I think they also need to bring back him

1087
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: hardaway Junior.

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Speaker 6: I think at this point it'd be difficult not to

1089
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 6: do that, especially looking at what's available on this market.

1090
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think those you know, those are those

1091
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 6: are two names one on the team one one. Not

1092
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 6: that that makes some sense to me, as as you know,

1093
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 6: the Mavericks keep trying to build, you know, a more

1094
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 6: sustainable roster around around Luca.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like there's any sort of optimism at

1096
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: all amongst the Mavericks that you know porzingis actually finished

1097
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: the season. This year, he's gone out with the season

1098
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: ending injury, I think, in every year of his career

1099
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: except for this season, so theoretically he'll have a chance

1100
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: to actually train rather than rehab over the summer. We've

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00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: heard reports that maybe Luca and Kristaps aren't the best

1102
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: of buddies, but who cares, honestly, as long as you're

1103
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: able to produce on the court together. Do they still

1104
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: think that this matchup or this pairing of these two

1105
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: guys can work, because, I mean, we all see it

1106
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 3: Porzingis.

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00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: The idea of Porzingis is a perfect fit with doncis right,

1109
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: but we just haven't seen it alongside Luca yet.

1110
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 6: I love the idea of Porzingis. I love the idea

1112
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 6: of what you know, a unicorn can be. Why he

1113
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 6: was promoted that way. I might be one of the

1114
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 6: few people still a little bit optimistic that it could work,

1115
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 6: but I think being more realistic, it's hard to look

1116
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 6: at that pairing, and it's hard to look at the Mavericks'

1117
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 6: future and really expect and think that, Okay, this is

1118
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 6: this is for sure going to be that the duo.

1119
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 6: You know, In some ways it even feels like, you know,

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Speaker 6: the best case scenario is Chris Steps does come out

1121
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 6: really strong next season to the point that he builds

1122
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 6: up trade value, you know, so so the team could go,

1123
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Speaker 6: you know, hopefully find someone with less questions lingering about

1124
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 6: his concerns. I think that the idea of Chris Steps

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Speaker 6: being a seven to three Klay Thompson and in a

1126
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 6: lot of ways where you know, he is eliminating post

1127
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 6: ups and he is eliminating even shot creation to a degree.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think that's his best case scenario, and

1129
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Speaker 6: it's something that he can average twenty twenty two points

1130
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Speaker 6: a game doing. You know, I think the one thing

1131
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 6: holding him back is that he's not the shooter Klay

1132
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 6: Thompson is. You know, he has a perception of being

1133
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 6: a great shooter, and I think Chris Steps, throughout his

1134
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 6: career has proven he's more of a good shooter. You know,

1135
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Speaker 6: you look at his percentages when he's wide open, you know,

1136
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Speaker 6: they're not They're not like a lot of great shooters

1137
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 6: are like forty five fifty percent. He's more of a

1138
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 6: forty percent guy, you know, when wide open, and then

1139
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 6: just generally, you know, his only push towards forty percent

1140
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 6: on his you know, on on all of his three

1141
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 6: pointers once in his career, and it was the shortened

1142
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 6: one when he when he stored his ACL in New York.

1143
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Speaker 6: So I think that's one concern with his offense and

1144
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 6: the other one, of course, his defense, and that definitely

1145
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 6: slipped this year. But we saw him more active, more engaged,

1146
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 6: you know, even even in the last few games of

1147
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Speaker 6: the season or of the of the playoff series. So

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Speaker 6: I think if there is a if there is an

1149
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 6: optimistic take, that is the KP that is the player,

1150
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 6: you know, kind of this seven three player who was

1151
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 6: literally playing like a shooting guard in a lot of ways,

1152
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 6: and you know, using his off ball movement and cutting

1153
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 6: and thinks he does really well along with maybe a

1154
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 6: slightly higher peak and trajectory of his jump shot if

1155
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 6: you can reach. And then pairing that with just active defense,

1156
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 6: that does enough, you know, to make sure he's not

1157
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 6: a complete liability. That hopefully he's a small plus, and

1158
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 6: I think that's the hope in the future with him.

1159
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Speaker 2: Do you think one of the things that kind of

1160
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: stuck out to me is that it almost feels like

1161
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: the Mavericks are kind of caught between two eras here, right,

1162
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: You've got the power structure that's been there for years

1163
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: and years. Donnie Nelson and Rick Carlisle. They won the

1164
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: only title in MAV's history with the biggest superstar in

1165
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: MAVs history in Dirk Novitsky. Now we've got the next

1166
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: big MAVs superstar in Luka Doncic. The things have changed

1167
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: in the front office bringing in an analytic guy like

1168
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: harl Bob. So I'm kind of wondering, like, how does

1169
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: Dirk fit into this at this point, because you mentioned

1170
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: in the piece that Luca kind of angled to get

1171
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: to Dallas. He has a relationship with Dirk, and honestly,

1172
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Dirk was in a lot of the same scenarios that

1173
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: Luca was in right early in his career, had some

1174
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: playoff disappointments. It took a long time till they finally

1175
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: got that title in two thousand eleves. In today's day

1176
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: and age, it wouldn't be surprising to see a Dirk

1177
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Speaker 2: Novinsky like character the Luca want to leave after this

1178
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: is Dirk in Luca's ear at all, being like, look, man,

1179
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: it's tough, but you're still earlier and you're in your career.

1180
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: You haven't signed your second deal even yet. There's a

1181
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: lot of time in front of you here, or is

1182
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: he kind of like, hey, man, it worked out for me.

1183
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure if things are the same in

1184
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one as they were in twenty eleven. The

1185
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: league has changed a lot. How is Luca and Dirk's

1186
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 2: relationship going to factor into all this?

1187
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 6: It's definitely a factor in how Luca feels about Dallas.

1188
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 6: That's that's something I put in the story and it's

1190
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 6: something that I truly, you know, I believe and I

1191
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 6: have been told that that Luca does, you know, feel

1192
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 6: good about this franchise. He has a lot of goodwill. Obviously,

1193
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 6: there are specific relationships that he has with people in

1194
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 6: the team that need to improve or need to be

1195
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 6: you know, managed or dealt with in a way that

1196
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 6: you know, doesn't upset him or continue to frustrate him.

1197
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 6: But you know, I do think that Dirk is is

1198
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 6: a is a great factor. I think it's too soon

1199
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 6: to think that, you know, Dirk is in his ear

1200
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 6: about you know, what to do next, or patience or

1201
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 6: anything like that. You know, Luca is a is happy,

1202
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 6: you know, like he is satisfied. He wants to win.

1203
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 6: You know, he's not happy with losing. He's never been

1204
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: and you know this is but but he's preparing to

1205
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 6: sign the super Max contract. I don't even think you know,

1206
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 6: there's I didn't report this in the story, and for

1207
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 6: a good reason. I don't as far as I know,

1208
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 6: I don't believe in source to say this is not

1209
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 6: at all what he's trying to do. He's not trying

1210
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 6: to leverage, you know, his power. You know, he's obviously

1211
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 6: a person that the team thinks in frames every decision around.

1212
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 6: But you know, if he had if he had been

1213
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 6: personally wanting to, you know, kind of play play power

1214
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 6: games himself, Like why would he say that he was

1215
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 6: just going to sign the extension on at the exit

1216
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 6: interview and be like, you know, somebody asked him and

1217
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 6: he said, uh, you know, I think you know what

1218
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 6: the answer is, and you know, did it with a smile.

1219
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 6: And you know, it wasn't a situation where he's like

1220
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 6: we'll see you, We'll see and and you know, then

1221
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 6: then he can come to Mark and Mark Cuban and

1222
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 6: and talk you know like I want this I want

1223
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 6: this player, I want this person gone. I want this

1224
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 6: person as my coach, et cetera. You know, so, so

1225
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 6: I don't think that's what he's trying to do. I

1226
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 6: don't think that's the situation he's in. But as it

1227
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 6: relates to Dirk, like, there's only one Dirk, uh, measuring

1228
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 6: people to Dirk is is not the you know, it's

1229
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 6: it's impossible.

1230
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's not a standard.

1231
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 6: You know, that's a standard he's set, you know, in

1232
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 6: in like a different plateau or a different you know,

1233
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 6: reality that that it just isn't realistic to even expect

1234
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 6: players to, you know, want to emulate or or model.

1235
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 6: And so you know where Dirk was patient and where

1236
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 6: Dirk was someone who waited. I think just the reality

1237
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 6: of of any superstar, whether it's Luca or not, they'll

1238
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 6: look at situations and if they're not satisfied with the

1239
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 6: amount of winning with their team or or with the

1240
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 6: power structure structures around them that they have to deal

1241
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 6: with constantly, those are things that will frustrate him and

1242
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 6: they know that they're able to move on to situations

1243
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 6: that they'll appreciate and enjoy better.

1244
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's a fantastic article that you and Sam put together.

1245
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: Here Tim, It's called inside the Mavericks Front Office. Mark

1246
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 3: Cuban's shadow GM is causing a rift with Luka Doncic

1247
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 3: again headline spot on our work amazing and then the

1248
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: words even better. Tim, what's the easiest way for people

1249
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: to get in touch with you, to talk to you,

1250
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: to ask you questions? Maybe about the article? I assume

1251
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: by way of Twitter? Is that right?

1252
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1253
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 6: I'd say Twitter is probably easiest, you know. I think

1254
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 6: that's the one. I've got open dms people who tweet me.

1255
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 6: I'm Tim underscore Cato, so follow me there.

1256
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 7: Well, I'd like to see some of those open dms

1257
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 7: right now, show those a few angry ones that have

1258
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 7: come your way too.

1259
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 1: In the last I just I just make my AI

1260
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: replied to those.

1261
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: We kept you long enough, We'll let you go.

1262
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 6: Man.

1263
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for swinging by on such short notice.

1264
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: We really appreciate it. I've also heard you on Mike

1265
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: three or four other podcasts, and you're bringing it on

1266
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 3: every single one. So thank you so much.

1267
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: Man. Thank you guys.

1268
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: All right, take care, Tim, Oh fantastic. Go check that out.

1269
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 3: Go to the Athletic dot com slash no dunks if

1270
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 3: you don't have yourself an Athletic subscription and go read

1271
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 3: that article and then well, then you've got a subscription.

1272
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: You can read all the articles that you have over

1273
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: at the Athletic, especially in the NBA world that we

1274
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: focus on. Had some other news last night. Guys Rudy

1275
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: Gobert Ben Simmons both unanimous selections to the NBA's All

1276
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: Defensive First Team for the twenty twenty one season. They

1277
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: were joined by Draymond Green and Giannis at forward, as

1278
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 3: well as Drew Holliday around out the backcourt. All Defensive

1279
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: second Team was led by bam Adebayo and Kawhi Leonard

1280
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: as your forwards, Joel Embiid as the big man in

1281
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: the middle, and then Jimmy Butler and Matisse Thibel as

1282
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: the two guards. And I'll throw this up there. I

1283
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: should have done it while I was talking there. But

1284
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: there's a look for everybody on the stream team and

1285
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: joining us live or a little bit later on YouTube

1286
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: so you can look at the numbers, you can dissect them.

1287
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: Task does anything jump out of you? Do you think

1288
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 3: the voters did an okay job? Any questions with this?

1289
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: And I guess you can get into a missions too,

1290
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: if you're really upset, But what do you think about

1291
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: the all defensive teams?

1292
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 4: Sexy names, really big big names here on these all

1293
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 4: defensive squads if you look up and down. I think

1294
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: that's what jumps out to me at first, a lot

1295
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 4: of big names, and I guess I think it's a

1296
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: really really really well done voting job. You know you

1297
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 4: can parse. I think Jimmy Butler, although he has the

1298
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: name again, I think there's a lot of name recognition here.

1299
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 4: I think mckel bridges may have done a better job

1300
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 4: this season in terms of games play because Jimmy missed

1301
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: some time and bit a better defensive player this year.

1302
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 4: But you know, you're asking voters to really do a

1303
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: lot of work to really understand who was the better

1304
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: defensive player this year. So I think, yeah, I think

1305
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 4: that would be my one rewrite. And even though Mattie

1306
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 4: Stible didn't play a ton and in terms of minutes

1307
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: played on the lower end of the spectrum of guys

1308
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 4: who've made it historically, he's still so so so so

1309
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: good and already developed the name in those minutes. He

1310
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 4: is historically good, So I think he is entirely fine there.

1311
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Speaker 3: Okay, Lee any problems with these are two all defensive teams.

1312
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 7: No, we got really good representation though from teams two

1313
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 7: from the Bucks, two from the Heat and three sorry

1314
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 7: two three from the Sixers. Yeah, so if you've got

1315
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 7: a good defensive team, we've got a lot of good

1316
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 7: defensive players in there. I just like the fact there's

1317
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 7: five internationals as well, and two Australians. He steibles technically

1318
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 7: qualifies for Australia there so, but overall, yeah, this was

1319
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 7: one of those ones where it was like, man, the voters,

1320
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 7: seems we've gotten it pretty accurate here.

1321
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: I do agree.

1322
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 7: I thought Jimmy Butler probably got in on a reputation

1323
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 7: there because I just didn't think he played enough this season.

1324
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: But that's the same with Kawhi too, Yeah, I think so.

1325
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 7: I think why because two time Defensive Player of the Year,

1326
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 7: he's QUI like, when he decides to there's no question

1327
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 7: he's one of the best, but he does seem to

1328
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 7: go through a lot of the season just like I'm

1329
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 7: not going to be all defensive Kawhi leonon tonight, but

1330
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 7: when he does lock in for sure. So yeah, I

1331
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 7: really didn't have any complaints. I thought they were well

1332
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 7: chosen there. Just great to see Simo in there with

1333
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 7: the unanimous pick because he was probably he did finish

1334
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 7: runner up, Actually didn't he for a defensive Player of

1335
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 7: the Year, So great to see him.

1336
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 3: Good on your son. Any observations with these teams, Trey,

1337
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: I know you're not you hate defense. I feel like

1338
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: fad asking you.

1339
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: No, I need to stick up for the small markets here.

1340
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: How come the Lakers in the Knicks don't have any

1341
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: players on these all defense teams? These are two top

1342
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: five defenses. Nobody's showing up basically in any of the voting.

1343
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: I just thought that's kind of unusual. But yeah, that

1344
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: probably just helps a Tom Thibodeaux or a Frank Vogel

1345
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year kind of case, right, getting everybody

1346
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: on the same page. And obviously Anthony Davis probably would

1347
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: have made an All defense team if he played a

1348
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: little bit more. The other takeaway from this is that

1349
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: big guys are better at defense than small guys. First

1350
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: team has two seven footers, a small ball five, and

1351
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: a six foot ten point guard. Second team has two

1352
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: more centers. So if throwing matist Bible's arms, that's maybe

1353
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 2: another seventh Twitter there. So yeah, it turns out being

1354
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: big out there helps you play defense.

1355
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 3: I think Zilla brought this point up in his newsletter

1356
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: this morning too. This might sort of, you know, in

1357
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 3: the breakdown of the voting here where who's getting put

1358
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 3: in center positions and forward possessions. I'm talking about Joel Embiid.

1359
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: He's not on the All NBA Defensive excuse me, first team.

1360
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: That might mean he will not be on the All

1361
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: NBA first team too, even though you could make him

1362
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: a forward, So it could be yokichen Embid both on

1363
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 3: your All NBA first team. But if the voter sort

1364
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: of follows suit like they did here with the All

1365
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: defensive teams, maybe we see Embiid as the All NBA

1366
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: second team center. Do you know what I'm saying there?

1367
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 3: Did that makes sense to you? Because it barely made

1368
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: any sense to me. But Ziller did a great.

1369
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 7: Well yagger to positions and then we don't have to

1370
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 7: worry about it.

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01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, but it is sort of funny

1372
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 3: like that Bam is considered a forward. I mean, people

1373
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 3: were like, well, got to get him in my top

1374
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: ten defensive guy, so they're like, well, he's a four,

1375
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: but he's not. I mean he's a center. He's really

1376
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: a center on that team anyway. Yeah, I don't have

1377
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: many qualms with this. There are some like classic like

1378
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: throwaway votes if you want to call him that, well,

1379
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: that'll left, that'll leave you like scratching your head, like

1380
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 3: you know, Russell Westbrook I think got a vote. And

1381
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: there are a couple other names where you're like, what

1382
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 3: you're not you're not watching games, like, I don't know

1383
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 3: what you're doing here? It does it ultimately matter? No,

1384
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: because for the most part, there's like enough separation when

1385
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 3: you're building these teams, like that, you're dumb throwaway vote

1386
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 3: for someone that's definitely not an all defensive player doesn't matter.

1387
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: But still, I don't know how you feel about that

1388
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 3: task When people do that, that's like what is it is?

1389
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: Because they're just literally so clueless, these voters that are

1390
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: voting for them, or is it because they're they're friends

1391
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: with the age? I don't know what it is, Like,

1392
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: what's the reason it's not great?

1393
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: Though?

1394
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,959
Speaker 3: It's not a good look, these dumb throwaway votes.

1395
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: In my opinion, I don't know what it is either.

1396
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: I it's not a good look. I guess I guess

1397
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: the nerds get into it. This is the NBA.

1398
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: Sickos get into it. But at the end of the day,

1399
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 4: does anybody really notice.

1400
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: Nope, No, not matter. Yeah, it's weird that Russell Westbrook

1401
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: got a vote. I'm seeing that Dennis Shruder did get

1402
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,959
Speaker 2: a first team vote. But for the most part, people

1403
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: are seeing this on a TV show and they're getting

1404
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: a graphic and they're seeing ten names on there, and

1405
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: nobody cares that Russell Westbrook got a first team vote.

1406
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 3: But if you're a sicko, it is pretty weird. Wow,

1407
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 3: did Westbrook get a first team or I don't know

1408
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: if he got a first team?

1409
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: That's really bad.

1410
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it's one thing with the second team because

1411
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, people, I don't even think. No, the

1412
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 3: Keshual fan doesn't even know we have an all defensive

1413
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: second team. Probably the first team. That's a little too far. Anyway,

1414
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: let's hear your biggest emissions you. Yeah, Michael Bridges is

1415
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: a great one. I think he was like right there.

1416
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: I think he just sort of missed the cut of

1417
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: sneaking in there. But with these things, We've said it before,

1418
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 3: especially all defensive teams, you gotta like it's the little

1419
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: groundwork you need that, like you need the sickos to

1420
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 3: be like, hey, where's Bridges. He's an awesome defender, And

1421
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: that will likely then seep into next year's voting. He'll

1422
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: probably continue to be a good defender. He'll probably become

1423
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: even a better defender. More people will notice his team's

1424
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: obviously having some success and the Sun's going far in

1425
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs, and I will like lock it in now,

1426
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 3: But Michail Bridges will be on one of the All

1427
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: defensive teams next year. It just and seriously, it's sort

1428
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: of just like this little momentum happens and he'll get

1429
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 3: in there. But but tie stible for barely playing is pretty impressive.

1430
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: Only twenty minutes per game. I think it's the lowest

1431
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 3: minutes per game played by an All Defensive player ever

1432
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 3: All Defensive team player, I should say lately, just pretty

1433
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: great fun though.

1434
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, long armed moves his feet well, gets into

1435
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 7: position well like that. That is really like a watch him.

1436
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 7: You've got to watch him to appreciate how good he

1437
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 7: is a defense. So it is funny that he gets

1438
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 7: in and so does Jimmy Butler is That's the thing.

1439
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 7: Jimmy is kind of like he's always good defender, just

1440
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 7: throw him on there.

1441
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 5: But yeah, but you're.

1442
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: Okay with that with Fireball.

1443
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean he doesn't play half the game, more than

1444
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 2: half the game, so I mean you can see the

1445
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: argument at least like there are guys out there, says.

1446
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 3: Australian, which was news to me for Australia.

1447
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, No, Look, I think in terms of as

1448
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 7: a defender, I think he's a great defender in that

1449
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 7: limited time. But does he deserve to be on the

1450
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 7: old defense for that, Well, yes, there's definitely an argument there.

1451
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 7: But I'm glad to see he got the recognition at

1452
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 7: least for when he is out there, because I think

1453
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 7: he's fantastic as a you know, as a perimeter and

1454
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 7: a movement defender.

1455
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Like he.

1456
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 7: Rarely gets sort of court because he can move so

1457
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 7: well so and he's got the long arms which help.

1458
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 4: It's a strange thing, yeah, that he plays twenty minutes

1459
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 4: per game he gets on there. But at the same time,

1460
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 4: it's not like an offensive player who has per thirty

1461
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 4: six numbers who can't play thirty six minutes, you know,

1462
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 4: like his numbers would just go up generally, his numbers

1463
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 4: would just be better, and he is seth Partner broke

1464
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 4: it down. He is averaging four percent steal rate and

1465
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 4: five percent block rate, so you know those numbers. He

1466
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 4: joins a select list of a team David Robinson, Nerlands

1467
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: now well, Kim Hughes and Bobby Joones like, yeah, guys

1468
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 4: you don't necessarily think of And in the minutes, if

1469
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 4: he played eighty two games, he'd play more than some

1470
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: guys that had made it, like a Tony Allen or

1471
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 4: Avey Bradley or Andre Carolinko in some seasons.

1472
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: So yeah too, he was.

1473
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 4: Gonna you know, he averaged two blocks and two steals

1474
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 4: per thirty six minutes. You know, those numbers would go

1475
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 4: up if he played. But just got to get a

1476
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 4: shot and he could play a little bit more. That's

1477
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 4: all he's gonna be working on this offseason, less of

1478
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 4: the editing that he worked on in the bubble, which

1479
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: he was really good at. He was very good at editing.

1480
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 4: His experience, Man, he was really good.

1481
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: Look you just want him shooting threes in the off season, sure, yeah,

1482
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: go ahead, Trek.

1483
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, good luck keeping Matisse away from

1484
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: making art.

1485
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: All right.

1486
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: On that note, let's take our final break before we

1487
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 3: get to tweet in the night. All right, let's wrap

1488
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 3: this bad boy up with a little tweet of the.

1489
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: Night, tweet out the night. Wow.

1490
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 5: Yes, we're playing at pretty fast and loose today because

1491
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 5: I had a bunch of different options, one of which

1492
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 5: involved all of the Batman's through history and whether or

1493
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 5: not they did a particular sex act. You can check

1494
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 5: my Twitter feed for that one. That's from a hat

1495
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 5: Whitney puppy. But you know what, we're running along this

1496
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 5: and so what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna

1497
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 5: go way back. This is a random tweet from twenty

1498
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Speaker 5: twelve from a guy named David Burge. What and it

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Speaker 5: says soft focus lens Hall of Fame, Penthouse, the magazine

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Speaker 5: from nineteen seventy four to seventy eight, Dynasty era Linda

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Speaker 5: Evans soap opera flashback scenes, Barbara Walters and Bob Costas.

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Speaker 5: He forgot Sybil Shepherd, But I would like to add

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Speaker 5: one more to the Hall of Fame. That's our very

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Speaker 5: own Tim Potato, who was unfortunately he was on a

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 5: borrowed laptop, backup laptop. He apologized for it over Slack

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01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 5: after the show. Shout out to Tim. It was a

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Speaker 5: great segment, and you know, it's it's very what's the word,

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01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 5: it's ethereal where he is. It's it's kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: But looking forward to having him back on the show

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Speaker 5: with a new webcam.

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Speaker 3: All right. I was wondering where you were going with that.

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01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 3: You brought it all Togetherie, you're a master at it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Just a quick, quick, quick look ahead to tonight's Game five.

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Speaker 3: Only one game on tonight Guys, Wild Bucks, Nets, Pivotal Game,

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01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: Kyrie and Nogo Lee. James Harden upgraded from out to doubtful.

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01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 3: At least he was at the start of the show.

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 3: I don't know what's happened in the last hour or so,

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01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 3: but who do you have winning tonight's game? What can

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01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: we expect from Kevin Durant? How quickly will PJ. Tucker

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: be in foul trouble in this one? That's where everybody

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01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: wants to know.

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Speaker 7: This is a monster game really for the box because

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01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 7: they may not get a better chance to put the

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 7: nets on the ropes. I mean, if James Harden doesn't play,

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 7: then you think he's probably a certainty to play Game six.

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01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 7: If the Bucks win tonight, I would guess, so Milwaukee

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01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 7: will not get a better chance to sort of recover

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 7: from what was a disastrous first two games. And I

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01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 7: think if we have Downhill Yarnis attacking the paint, going

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 7: at at the sort of weak interior there of the nets,

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01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 7: I think that's the best chance for the Bucks to win.

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01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 7: But Kevin Durant, do we see a potential Lebron Game

1533
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 7: six against the Buck the Celtics from twenty twelve games.

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01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 7: So he just decided, listen, I have to do it

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01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 7: all tonight. Almost play point forward Kevin Durant, you know,

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01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 7: score forty, maybe get a dozen assists or so, and

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,839
Speaker 7: hope some guys like you know, Joe Harris hits threes.

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 7: What's his name? Got Mike James, Mike James, Mike James

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 7: to hit some threes. I mean, I think that if

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01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 7: I'm Steve Nash, I'm probably like Kevin. Just play point

1541
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 7: forward Kevin Durant and see if they can stop you,

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 7: because I don't think PJ. Tucker can run with you.

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01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 7: I think when it's a physical sort of like encounter,

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 7: that's Pj's best chance to slow him down. Run a

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01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 7: ton of screens and just see if we can get

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01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 7: a freakish Kevin Durant performs, because I think they need

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01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 7: that because Joe Harris is probably the second best player

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 7: right now. He hasn't had a great series. I need

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01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 7: someone to get going. So but again, I think the

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01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 7: emphasis entirely on Milwaukee tonight. I think you're basically a

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01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 7: full strength. You have to go out there and and

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 7: and put the put the Nets in a position where

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01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 7: they can be eliminated for the game six in Milwaukee.

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01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 3: If I'm Steve Nash and come on close enough, right,

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 3: I would play. I would play myself tonight. Is he

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01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 3: can ilegally do that? If there's no Kyrie and Harden,

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 3: can Steve Nash just insert himself into the starting lineup

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01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: play some point guard minutes, you know, alleviate some of

1559
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 3: the pressure there off KD. But Tass, you're on record

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 3: you think the Nets can still win this game. You

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01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: said that with the idea that there will be no

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01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: Kyrie and no Harden. Again, Harden, it is a possibility

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: here as we get closer and closer, But do you

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01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 3: still believe that is We're going to see something special

1565
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 3: here from Katie? That's what it feels like you're.

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: Thinking, yeah, definitely.

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01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 4: They won four of five games when Kevin Durant played

1568
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 4: solo this season without James Harden and Kyrie Irving, so

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01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 4: they know how to play. They have a bunch of

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 4: guys to play around him. Joe Harris has had two

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 4: bad games in a row. I think they're going to

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01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 4: look for him early and often. Kyrie or Tim sorry,

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01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant, by his standards, has had two bad games

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01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 4: in a row, and so I expect, yeah, this team

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 4: to really rally around and play at home again. That's

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 4: really important. I think James Harden is going to test

1577
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 4: that hamstring pregame, as Adrian Wolsh and Rescue reported, and

1578
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 4: give it a go and.

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Speaker 1: See how it feels.

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Speaker 4: That's a testament to you know, James Harden being a

1581
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 4: throwback guy, trying to play every single game if he's

1582
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 4: not injured, doubtful, but still going to go out there

1583
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 4: and give it as all and at least be you know,

1584
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 4: if he is out there, you know, a gravity puller.

1585
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 4: Everybody will be looking at him on the floor. And

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01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 4: that's the problem when it's you know, Kevin Durant and

1587
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,759
Speaker 4: Joe Harris and all the other guys on those slim

1588
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 4: slim contracts. It's everybody looking at KD and loading up

1589
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 4: on him. But the fact that they had that second

1590
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 4: half with just Kevin Durant and no Kyrie and James

1591
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 4: Harden in Game four, I think gave him a little

1592
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 4: little test for what's going to happen here and those guys,

1593
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 4: I think we're they're going to make shots at Hope.

1594
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm guessing that they get everybody involved and

1595
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 4: the home court gets them to the finish line in

1596
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 4: this one.

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01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the stream team dropping the Durant over under tonight

1598
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 3: TK at forty five and a half, would you go

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01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: over under if that was the actual line that's the

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01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 3: stream team's line for Kevin Durant tonight.

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01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm going under, But I would need to get a

1602
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: line as well on assists because I'm probably going over

1603
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: on assists. I think KAD could still go for maybe

1604
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 2: a forty and maybe something like tennisiss. So give me

1605
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: a line of eight and a half assists, I'm going

1606
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 2: over because then that's got to hit some threes because

1607
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: no doubt the Bucks are going to be loading up

1608
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:45,440
Speaker 2: on Giannis.

1609
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: PJ.

1610
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: Tucker will get the assignment but there's a little bit

1611
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: more lingering wiggle room for Giannis to be hanging around

1612
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: the rim and for brook Lopez to be hanging around

1613
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: the rim. So it's going to be on Jeff and

1614
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,879
Speaker 2: Joe and Mike to make some threes out here. Landry's

1615
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: got to make some threes. I think they only made

1616
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 2: eighteen total playing in Milwaukee. And obviously the Nets are

1617
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 2: one of the best offensive teams that we've seen. Usually

1618
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 2: that's with a second superstar alongside him. Maybe that's James Harden,

1619
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: and maybe James Harden just becomes a spot up shooter tonight,

1620
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: which would help the Nets immensely. So give me the

1621
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: under on points, the over on assists for Kevin Durant.

1622
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: It feels like there's equal amounts of pressure on both

1623
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 2: teams here, right, Like we got to see everybody's expecting

1624
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: a Lebron style game from Kevin Durant, But like Lee's saying,

1625
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: the Bucks almost have to win this one, especially if

1626
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: Harden isn't able to go, and even if he is,

1627
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 2: he's going to be a little bit compromised. So you

1628
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 2: got to think that from a momentum standpoint and from

1629
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 2: a health standpoint, the Bucks have the upper hand here,

1630
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 2: but if they go into Brooklyn and lose this one

1631
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 2: to an undermanned Nets team, people are gonna be ready

1632
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: to say the Bucks are going home again.

1633
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: Very excited for Game five tonight, Bucks Nets. I believe

1634
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: it's an eight thirty pm Eastern start, and we'll figure

1635
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 3: out what that actually means as we get closer to it,

1636
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 3: and we'll find out whether or not Harden's actually playing it,

1637
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 3: whether he gives that hamstring a go. Thank you so

1638
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 3: much to Tim Cato for coming on the show again.

1639
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 3: Go check out that article inside the Mavericks' front office.

1640
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 3: There there it is. We're showing the stream team.

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: Now.

1642
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 3: Go to the Athletic dot Com slash No Dunks to

1643
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 3: get your Athletic subscription. If you don't already subscribe to

1644
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Speaker 3: Notdunks on YouTube, Send in your questions and comments for

1645
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 3: Beach Step and still No Dunks at the Athletic dot

1646
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 3: Com or tweet them in at No Dunksinc. And we'll

1647
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 3: be back tomorrow with well two shows, because we'll have

1648
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 3: the morning show recapping tonight's game and any other NBA news,

1649
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 3: and then we'll hit the beach later in the afternoon.

1650
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 3: Clipper bros. You heard it here first. Have a great time,

1651
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 3: turn up.

1652
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 6: Love you guys, awesome.

1653
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

1654
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 4: And remember every time I see Tim Cato's name, I

1655
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 4: think Calvin Kato.

1656
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: Remember Kelvin Kato.

1657
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 3: I do I too, Yes too. Embrace the day of

1658
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,440
Speaker 3: people say.

1659
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 8: Every day, every minute, it's been so long that you're

1660
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 8: no funa waiting for. It's happened already. It's gonna be

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01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 8: good me