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Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to get management to give us

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Speaker 1: part of your day. Colin right, Colin wrong, plenty of both.

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Speaker 1: One hour from now. Jmak I woke up little icing

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Speaker 2: Me in a mood for fall and winter.

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Speaker 1: So there's this one question, Jy Mack, as we start

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Speaker 1: our show today, the eternal question with the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 1: and the guys up north. The Green Bay Packers always

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Speaker 1: have an answer in Chicago never does. The eternal question

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Speaker 1: for the Chicago Bears is, but why can't we figure

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Speaker 1: quarterback out I think you have now, ironically, it's the

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Speaker 1: defense that is hurting you.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk bears.

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Speaker 1: Not having a spy against Jackson Dart made no sense.

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Speaker 1: The Giants don't have neighbors, scat of boot, the weather

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Speaker 1: was bad. How do you not have a spy against

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart? Bad coordinating by Dennis Allen. But the story

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Speaker 1: of the day was again a fourth quarter comeback, another

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Speaker 1: one by Caleb Williams. And this is the thing. Jackson

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Speaker 1: Dart's young and athletic for the for the fourth time

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Speaker 1: in seven starts. Jackson Darts in the concussion protocol tent

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Speaker 1: and Caleb never is two things that have always been

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Speaker 1: true about Caleb Williams. Really durable, doesn't get hurt, and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't throw picks. Let me add a third. He's

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Speaker 1: clutch and I don't know how to define it. I

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Speaker 1: always felt this about Joe Burrow. I don't really know

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Speaker 1: how to define it. I want to ask Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman's a great leader, can you define it? He goes, no,

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Speaker 1: not really is not when you see it. And that's

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Speaker 1: what clutch is. If you start looking at Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter numbers in the four game winning drives, his

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Speaker 1: passer rating is like one forty five. He's a better

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Speaker 1: quarterback under duress, trailing, He's an unbelievable game winning drive

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter quarterback. By the way, Votenick's pretty good too,

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Speaker 1: but this feels different. So his receivers were struggling, it

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Speaker 1: was called and multiple times, even on some incompletions, Caleb

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Speaker 1: would roll right and show off that arm. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure is there a better arm in the league. I

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Speaker 1: think he holds the ball too long, but I think

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Speaker 1: that's born at a confidence that you can't sack him

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Speaker 1: He's just too big. He's just too.

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Speaker 2: Strong, incredibly durable.

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Speaker 1: And we always talk about, you know, quarterbacks, what they

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Speaker 1: can do, but a lot of success. Remember Belichick talked

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Speaker 1: about Tom Brady his favorite asset, no negative plays, always

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Speaker 1: plays ahead of the sticks. And that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things about Caleb Williams. Now he's not taking the sacks

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Speaker 1: and he's never thrown a lot of interceptions, so he's

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Speaker 1: not taking those negative plays. So much about quarterback isn't

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Speaker 1: what you do, it's what you don't do you don't

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Speaker 1: run backwards and scramble and get behind the sticks. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's official. He's still growing. But the Chicago

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Speaker 1: have their first great quarterback. They've had good ones Rex

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Speaker 1: watch the Bears offense, head coach, quarterback, weapons, red zone efficiency.

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Speaker 1: This is what green Bay has been doing, you know,

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Speaker 1: Now green Bay is trying to solve their offense. In

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what it looks like. Listen, it's cold, it's windy.

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Speaker 1: I think Chicago Bear receivers had six drops. I mean

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Speaker 1: But don't worry about the aesthetic and the optics. Fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: Tell you so now it's next guy. Man, he's got

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Speaker 1: Athen just keeps getting a little better. The operation stuff

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Speaker 1: now took a few weeks. Accuracy stuff, A lot of

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Speaker 1: it was dropped yesterday when he rolled out right threw

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Speaker 1: DJ Moore couldn't get his feet down. That was forty

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Speaker 1: that doesn't look like almost anybody else in the league.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure Mahomes has that in that win. So

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Speaker 1: he is a special talent. Okay, I've been on this

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Speaker 1: for a long time. I prefer offensive coaches, especially with

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Speaker 1: young quarterbacks as you're learning the game. Sean Payton, Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: have that Mike Rabel defensive guy. Right, Drake may is flourishing.

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Speaker 1: But Josh McDaniel great coordinator. But I'm watching Buffalo. I

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Speaker 1: got nothing against Sean McDermott. But the Bills are two

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Speaker 1: and three in their last five games. Blowout loss to

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Speaker 1: same amount of wins as San Francisco. That's running out

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Speaker 1: my thing with Sean McDermott. Something's always leaking and it

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Speaker 1: takes him an entire off season to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: You don't have an off season. You're wasting. Josh Allen's

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Speaker 1: Three game winning streak. San Francisco has Mac Jones quarterbacking

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Speaker 1: the receivers aren't healthy. Where's Ayuk, Where's Ricky Piersoll? Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones yesterday went thirty three at thirty nine. Buffalo has

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Speaker 1: yet they don't have a They have one win over

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Speaker 1: a team of the winning record. So in their three

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Speaker 1: losses they've averaged fifteen points with Josh Allen and James Cook.

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? And that's my knock on defensive

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Speaker 1: in the offseason. Andy Reid offensive line solves it in season.

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay running back, receiver, Pookah's hurt. Pookah's hurt. What

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Speaker 1: Offensive coaches can solve problems with their unit and their

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Speaker 1: or two. Running game for Buffalo took forever to solve.

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Speaker 1: The GM finally had to solve it the passing game.

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Speaker 1: Now it can't take this long to solve stuff with

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Speaker 1: James Cook and Josh Allen. I mean, John Elway had

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Speaker 1: a good coach and Dan Reeves he needed a better

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Speaker 1: one than Mike Shanahan. And I mean, I got nothing

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Speaker 1: against McDermott, but watch the league as you get into

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Speaker 1: this time. I mean, Justin Herbert is working with backup

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Speaker 1: everything in the offensive line, number three running back forgettable

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Speaker 1: tight ends? Does he have a number one receiver? And

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Speaker 1: they're in a three game winning streak. You just have

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Speaker 1: to solve stuff, right, You gotta be a fix it guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, That's what you gotta do. That's what Shanahan

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Speaker 1: Rabel right now, second year quarterback, no number one receiver,

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Speaker 1: running back by committee, although I like Trevon Henderson, which

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Speaker 1: he played more. Tight ends are okay, offensive line solid

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Speaker 1: and they're on a seven game winning streak. Sean Payton's

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Speaker 1: on a seven game winning streak with bow Knicks. Bo

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Speaker 1: Nicks is having a horrible year, okay. So my take

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Speaker 1: is these offensive guys, you just can't go on losing streak.

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Speaker 1: She can't lose to Miami and trail sixteen to nothing

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Speaker 1: at half when you have Josh Allen can't do it.

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Speaker 1: And Sean McDermott. I just think, Josh, at this point,

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Speaker 1: I've seen enough. They'll make the playoffs. They'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: New England's already better. New England's won seven straight games.

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Speaker 1: They go to Tampa and control the game. They went

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Speaker 3: We do need to look, continue to turn over every

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Speaker 3: stone to figure out why this is happening. I feel

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Speaker 3: like it's happened quite a bit.

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Speaker 4: Your year.

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Speaker 3: This year's probably is as much as I've been around. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if it's I don't know

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Speaker 3: We got to figure that piece out pretty quickly.

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 1: So much of coaching is not having the answers, it's

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Speaker 1: finding them. It's solving the problems in season, week to week,

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Speaker 1: moving pieces. And I mean it's not all offense. Yesterday

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Speaker 1: the defense looked tired, gassed. Maybe it was the heat.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm just watching teams like Denver, which is getting

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Speaker 1: the worst offensive.

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Speaker 2: Line in three years and they just keep winning.

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Speaker 1: How is Justin Herbert that much much better than Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen how's Frabel doing it? They don't have a number

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Speaker 1: one receiver, running back by committee, O line, solid schedules, tough,

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Speaker 1: and they just keep going on the road Buffalo Tampa,

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Speaker 2: I think it's time.

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Speaker 1: I think you can't have to solve every issue in

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Speaker 1: the off season. It doesn't work that way. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if you're running a TV network, a TV show,

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Speaker 1: or a football TV I can't have an off season

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Speaker 1: to solve every problem, all right, Jay Matt Colin right,

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Speaker 1: Colin wrong?

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Speaker 2: I took one underdog all weekend.

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Speaker 1: It was Pittsburgh last night, and I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: Aaron looked old.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, oh.

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Speaker 6: Really, trying to elude Khalil Mack in the end zone.

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Speaker 2: Looked like an old guy falling down the stairs.

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Speaker 7: That was.

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Speaker 6: That was brutal for Aaron Rodgers. I mean that was

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Speaker 6: until that garbage time touchdown, Colin. That was trending like

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Speaker 6: one of the worst games of his NFL career. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's how bad he was. That's your guy.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching the Chargers and the Steelers last night,

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Speaker 1: and I've come to the conclusion. It took me ten weeks,

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Speaker 1: but I had figured out every team contenders for tenders,

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Speaker 1: haves have nots. I figured out every NFL team in

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Speaker 1: ten weeks except the Pittsburgh Steelers. They hammer the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: they hammer the Colts and get beat by the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: and have now been hammered by Green Bay the Chargers

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Speaker 1: in Seattle week to week.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what I'm getting none.

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Speaker 1: I know Aaron looked old and like he didn't want

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Speaker 1: I don't blame him, Roman Wilson and DK Metcalf is

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Speaker 1: not a receiving corps. That's why I've defended Aaron throwing

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get converted to a tackle, but

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Speaker 1: he can catch enough so they can throw it to him.

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Speaker 1: That's what they have. They have a running back. They

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Speaker 1: drafted Roman Wilson. By the way, Jim Harbaugh, Roman Wilson,

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy, Blake Korum. We thought they were stars in college. No,

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Speaker 1: the coach was, but I I mean, to me, it's

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Speaker 1: a bad sign as a franchise. You have no idea

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Speaker 1: what you're getting half to half in week to week,

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Speaker 1: no idea. They're the only team in the league to

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Speaker 1: me that's completely unsolvable. And here's all I can come

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Speaker 1: up with. They're the second oldest team in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and they're aging like milk not wine. And as the

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Speaker 1: season goes on, they look old. Second half, they look tired,

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Speaker 1: Seattle is young. Every week, Seattle looks fast and physical,

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Speaker 1: they're growing, they're ascending. Pittsburgh looks old and tired. It's

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Speaker 1: like the Steelers are having a mid life crisis. Every

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Speaker 1: other week, fifth straight game, Aaron Rodgers passer rating has

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Speaker 2: And so this has been I mean, listen, we all.

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Speaker 1: Know the Steelers GPS is going to steer him back

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Speaker 1: to five hundred. That's what it always does, right, They're

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Speaker 1: the ladder. But this team last year, remember last year,

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Speaker 1: the Steak got off to a hot start with an

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Speaker 1: This year, Gay got off to a hot start with

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Speaker 1: is fading. And now it's November, and in November the

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Speaker 1: weather gets cold and you got to run the football.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, they.

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Speaker 1: Can't, and they won't be able to solve it in season.

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Speaker 1: This is another defensive coach. So it's groundhog Day. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching last night and I'm like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what I get with Pittsburgh. They're all over the map.

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Speaker 1: Now Buffalo, I usually know what I'm getting they'll have

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Speaker 1: a stinker here there, and I think Josh Allen deserves

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Speaker 1: an elite coach. And Steelers aren't moving off Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: But it's an old roster and old people old roster

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Speaker 1: fall down the stairs, more get hurt, more longer to heal.

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Speaker 1: What else can I say? Here's Aaron after.

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Speaker 4: I expect to play great every single week, and this

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Speaker 4: was not my best performance. I got to play better

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Speaker 4: if it's better throws, whatever it is, I gotta play better.

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Speaker 1: They don't really have a downfield passing attack. They don't.

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Speaker 1: And they can't run. So it's up to Aaron to

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Speaker 1: run it. It's getting cold. They don't have a downfield attack.

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Speaker 1: That's why I've defended Aaron all year. They're thrown to

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Speaker 1: the right people. Friar mood Washington, you know DK underneath

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Speaker 1: that you so much of this league again is solving

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Speaker 1: think this is kind of what they are. They've been

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Speaker 1: last night the Chargers. I think that's closer to what

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Speaker 2: Turn on the news. This is the herd Line News.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps Rogers needs a midweek darkness retreat to, you know,

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Speaker 6: recalibrate things in Pittsburgh. You know who doesn't need one?

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Speaker 6: The La Rams Colin. Oh my gosh. Rams looking like

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Speaker 6: the best team in the NFL right now and Matt

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Speaker 2: He became the first.

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Speaker 6: Player in NFL history to throw four touchdowns in three

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Speaker 6: straight games. How about this last six games, twenty touchdowns,

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Speaker 6: zero picks. Wow, the Rams roll the Niners. We called

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Speaker 6: this on Friday. Here's DeVante Adams talking about his MVP quarterback.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's looked like MVP played to me

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Speaker 5: all year, to be honest, I mean even even certain games.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like I said that the pick he threw

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Speaker 5: Like that's how an MVP plays.

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Speaker 7: It's me.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, just to rally a team and continue

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Speaker 5: to lead at a high level after not when things

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Speaker 5: don't go your way. I think that's what really shows

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Speaker 1: For the record, I think this is the best coach

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Speaker 1: team in the league on any given Sunday. No penalties

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Speaker 1: false starts at home, thirteen penalties, Rams none. So this team.

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Speaker 1: I said this three weeks ago, I said it last week.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again. It's the most efficient team in

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Speaker 1: get penalies, they can run, they don't turn the ball

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Speaker 1: over like you have to beat the Rams. The Rams

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Speaker 1: do not beat themselves. So right now, to me, I'll

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Speaker 1: make an argument. I'll watch tonight, but this is the

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Speaker 1: best team in the league.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now it feels like certainly they've evolved there.

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Speaker 6: you've got to continue to change. The example I always

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Speaker 6: use is Belichick, right, He continued to tinker with the

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Speaker 6: Patriots for two decades. They were tight end heavy slot receiver,

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Speaker 6: Have you noticed this three tight end set that day's doing.

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Speaker 6: We talked about it after that London game. I was

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Speaker 6: totally shocked he did it against the Jags. Calling the

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Speaker 6: last three games, nobody can stop the Rams when they

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Speaker 1: He did.

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Speaker 2: A runner is at a pass. I mean, the offensive scored.

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Speaker 6: Over thirty points in the last three with these three

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was surprised by this. I wasn't surprised

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Speaker 1: Friday twenty four to twenty three. And Beck Jones, for

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he was good. He put up some numbers.

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Speaker 2: Here's some people trying to.

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Speaker 7: Make this up.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mack Jones could be just I don't want to

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Speaker 2: go there. I mean they lost, but yeah, mac Jones

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Speaker 6: Still don't have vu Ricky Piersoll's missing if you want

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Speaker 6: to be trouble for the Niners. Besides the defense, Christian

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Speaker 6: McCaffrey couldn't run anywhere, but Brian Robinson could. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if you noticed that. I don't want to say

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Speaker 6: McCaffrey slowing down. But the trend lines are not good

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Speaker 6: for the Niners. But let's go back to a positive story, Colin,

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Speaker 6: and that's your Seattle Seahawks. I laughed at you when

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Speaker 6: you said the Seahawks were a playoff team preseason, and

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Speaker 6: oh my gosh, they just destroyed the Cardinals. This was

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Speaker 6: thirty five zero, Yes, thirty five nothing. I mean, what

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Speaker 6: an unbelievable performance. JSN won nuts. The defense scored two touchdowns,

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Speaker 6: both by DeMarcus Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: Colin.

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Speaker 6: Here's JSN talking about what makes Seattle such a great team.

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Speaker 10: Preparation, our culture in the building, the guys that we

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Speaker 10: have in this locker room, you know, doing whatever it

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Speaker 10: takes to win. That's from Monday to Sunday, and you

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Speaker 10: know what we're building here. We all feel like we

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Speaker 10: have something special and we just want to keep it

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Speaker 10: going and protect what we have.

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Speaker 2: From this point forward.

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Speaker 1: I would never draft anything but an Ohio state wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: I mean, between it Muka and that kid, and they

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Speaker 1: but arizonas that. You know what, This kid is so good.

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Speaker 1: First receiver to one thousand yards and now they've they

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Speaker 1: take two or three weeks for them to figure out.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you turn the sound down on Seattle

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Speaker 1: and watch them. This has to be the fastest team

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Speaker 1: in the league. Everybody can run on this team. Everybody safeties, corners,

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Speaker 1: defensive ends. This team is just fast.

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Speaker 6: Lawrence looks like a beefed up like Kim Chancellor when

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Speaker 6: he's driving the ball and running.

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Speaker 2: I was stunned. Me let me just point this out.

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Speaker 6: So four teams this season had scored thirty or more

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Speaker 2: Seattle's done.

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Speaker 6: It is three of them. Three of the four is Seattle.

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Speaker 6: This team is unstoppable. Now this comes from an Oregon

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Speaker 6: amazing in the first half. He's been the best quarterback

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Speaker 6: in the first half this season seventy five percent Colin.

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Speaker 6: According to splits Weirdly, he hasn't been as good in

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Speaker 2: Now, some of it is great gamescript right now.

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Speaker 1: Some of it is some of it leading by five touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to generate enthusiasm from the big uglies up front.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday Donald had two of the strangest turnovers

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Speaker 6: So he's taking more sacks in the second half, more interceptions,

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Speaker 6: about forty five points. So I'm not, again, not overreacting,

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Speaker 6: but I do wonder. I don't want to get into

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Speaker 6: the MVP discussion with Donald. It's a little goofy, but

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Speaker 6: this is a guy who we know last year imploded

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Speaker 9: Colin.

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Speaker 6: I know when we get to the high leverage playoff games,

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Speaker 6: Philly Packers, Rams not.

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Speaker 1: Do you have.

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Speaker 2: Confidence in Darnold?

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. One person in America. Two people in America

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Speaker 1: didn't bail on him, Kyle Shanahan and me I'll encower Yes.

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Speaker 6: Final story, Let's go to college football because this.

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Speaker 2: Has to be as of now the catch of the year.

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Speaker 6: Indiana storms back to beat Penn State in a great game,

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Speaker 6: I think they went eighty seven yards and Mendoza delivers Colin.

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Speaker 6: We have the call from Gus Johnson. Listen to the

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Speaker 6: great Gus Johnson on Indiana's way.

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Speaker 7: Mendoza drove it down.

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Speaker 1: That was the best second half of a football game

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Speaker 1: I have seen in college football this year, and the

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Speaker 1: best last second drive. If you watch Dante more in

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Speaker 1: the lousy weather in Iowa and Mendoza in that that's

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Speaker 1: those are your two best college quarterbacks. They were both

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Speaker 1: so good in big spots. Mendoza throws eight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's an NFL throw in the NFL, if you're a

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Speaker 1: quarterback front of the end zone, low, back to the

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Speaker 1: end zone, high so nobody can get it. That is

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Speaker 1: literally exactly how you make the throw like Mendoza made

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Speaker 1: two or three on that final drive. Mendoza made two

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Speaker 1: to three. I mean first round top pick throws looks the.

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Speaker 2: Part the kid Cooper.

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Speaker 6: If you watch his momentum, it's like carrying him out

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Speaker 6: of bound. So initially you're like, there's no way he's

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Speaker 6: getting his feet down, but his feet seem to kind

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Speaker 6: of go back in time and drift back toward the field.

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Speaker 2: It was insane, unbelievable win for Indiana.

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Speaker 6: It obviously sets up Indiana Ohio State still being undefeated,

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Speaker 6: essentially for the number one spot in the college football rankings.

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Speaker 6: So the new rankings come out tomorrow, it seems like

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Speaker 6: the Big ten's probably only going to get three in

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Speaker 6: If usc somehow takes down Oregon, then it gets real interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ohio State number one, BAMA two, Indiana three. I

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Speaker 1: don't buy Texas A and M, like everybody else does.

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Speaker 2: I think largely I would agree with you.

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Speaker 6: I am curious the Oregon rally against Iowa, and I

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Speaker 6: don't know if we'll get to it later.

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Speaker 1: I watched the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: That was a hell of a fourth quarter. Iowa was plucky.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to do. And here's the thing. They

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Speaker 1: covered crappy weather for a West Coast team going to

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Speaker 1: the Midwest. Now Oregon plays in that kind of weather

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Speaker 1: two or three times a year in Autson. But I

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Speaker 1: thought it was an impressive win and Ioways got like,

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Speaker 1: you know, seven NFL guys. Iowa was well coached, that

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Speaker 1: throw right there by Dante Moore come on in that

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Speaker 1: weather and Oregon was down.

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Speaker 2: I think Oregon was down. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: Four of their top five receivers were down a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys. I mean, they were down all their perimeter guys.

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Speaker 1: So that win was way more impressive than it won't

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Speaker 1: get nearly the credit it deserves. Oh it's just Iowa,

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Speaker 1: Iowa in that weather at home, Oregon just reeling skill players.

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Speaker 1: That was a huge win by them.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Great, great cover though cover by the Hawkeyes. They deliver

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Speaker 2: it home. Colin, Yes, I know you love game.

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Speaker 1: Okay, back to back college. I watched one that I

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Speaker 1: watched the other, and I'm like, it was a wild Saturday.

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Speaker 2: J Mack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 8: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd

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Speaker 8: Line News.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know when you're learning to drive, remember

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Speaker 1: that in like high school and you have the driver's

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Speaker 1: ed teacher and you're sitting there driving and right next

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Speaker 1: to you, mine's name was Steve Steve Bridge, he was

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Speaker 1: the driver's ed teacher had my football coach. He was,

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Speaker 1: and so you got to not only be able to

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Speaker 1: drive when the driver's head teacher sitting next to you,

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Speaker 1: but when he gets out, you can't veer into a

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Speaker 1: tree or you really can't drive. That's JJ McCarthy of

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Speaker 1: Minnesota after the first scripted drive of the game. Folks,

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Speaker 1: you can't convince me it works. It doesn't. His first

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Speaker 1: drive this year, first drives, he completes seventy eight percent

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Speaker 1: of his.

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Speaker 2: Throws after that fifty one.

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Speaker 1: Again, he's great when the driver's head teacher is in

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Speaker 1: the right seat. Eventually the teacher leaves the car and

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Speaker 1: you gotta drive. So justin Jefferson's three worst games, the

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Speaker 1: three JJ McCarthy starts, So, I mean the other thing

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Speaker 1: that was troubling, eight false starts for a home game.

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Speaker 1: False starts. That's the boiling the water part of culinary school.

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Speaker 1: Have you turned the stove on? You can't have eight

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Speaker 1: full starts in his season. That was the most in

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Speaker 1: twenty five years for a home team. So Josh Dobbs,

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Speaker 1: remember Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 2: He came to.

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell you remember that game, no practices, So Josh

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Speaker 1: Dobbs backup, career, backup, no practices, engineered thirty one points

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Speaker 1: of offense, one hundred and two, passer rating. JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: off script passer ratings fifty seven. The hardest thing in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, in my opinion, beyond just winning, is acknowledging

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Speaker 1: for gms and coaches. We made a mistake on that

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Speaker 1: first round pick. The Colts admitted it with Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: the Niners admitted it with Trey Lance, and there's no rush.

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Speaker 1: I'd let JJ McCarthy play the entire year. Got nothing

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Speaker 1: to lose. You're not as good as Chicago, You're not

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Speaker 1: as good as Green Bay, You're not as good as Detroit.

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Speaker 1: It's just not going to work. But I mean, the

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Speaker 1: operation doesn't work. I do think if you're good in

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Speaker 1: the first drive, it means you're coachable. And I think

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Speaker 1: his arm is an NFL arm. But Kevin O'Connell's had

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Speaker 1: seven quarterbacks in Minnesota, JJ is sixth, and I'm watching

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson and he's about done with it, So I

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm watching it. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be negative.

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Speaker 2: He was the one.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do confirmation bias because this was

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Speaker 1: the one first round quarterback I didn't I didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: What we've seen about all those Michigan guys, Roman Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Blake Korham, we've noted if you noticed this, Jj, Have

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Speaker 1: you noticed this? They're not as good as pros. It's

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Speaker 1: not like the Georgia guys that come in like Jalen

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Speaker 1: Carter and are immediately a top two player in the

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Speaker 1: league at his position.

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Speaker 2: It's not the Bama guys.

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Speaker 1: That walk in the wide receivers and you're like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: A lot of those Michigan guys. A lot of it

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Speaker 1: was hardball, and I'm watching and I know he's a winner.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but I don't get the traits. I

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Speaker 1: don't see it. It's not me bee a negative. I

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Speaker 1: just don't see it. Here's JJ McCarthy after the loss.

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Speaker 1: It was there.

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Speaker 11: We just kept shooting ourselves in the foot, and you know,

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Speaker 11: I take full responsibility for the pre snap you know,

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Speaker 11: procedure penalties. You know, we got three turnovers and just

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Speaker 11: you know, too many things that you know, don't set

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Speaker 11: us up for success. You know, when the clock hit zero,

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Speaker 11: so we just got to go back to work, watch

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Speaker 11: this film and you know, really clean up all the

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Speaker 11: little things, because that's what hurt us to say.

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Speaker 1: Now again, he moves pretty well. I think he has

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Speaker 1: a nice arm. Be a nice arm. He moves well.

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Speaker 1: Nice kid, seems smart, hard to get into Michigan. I'd

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Speaker 1: let him play the rest of the year, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you know, listen, I like Michael Pennix,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like the way that looks. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, stuff can change. There's no quoe. I was

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Speaker 1: very first two weeks three weeks of Caleb Williams. He

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Speaker 1: couldn't get the operational stuff down. So it's I mean,

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Speaker 1: seems like a good kid working hard.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: He moves, he moves better than average. Well, he moves average.

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Speaker 1: He's fine, He's got a nice arm. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: makes NFL throws. But I I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I think I've said this with bow Nicks. I feel

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Speaker 1: like bo Nix is nervous. I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is because everybody tells me this is gonna work,

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Speaker 1: and ah, I just don't see it. So maybe I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: I've been I you know, listen. I thought the Steelers

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Speaker 1: would win last night, so I whiff as much as anybody.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if you're a Minnesota fan, I've just

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Speaker 1: seen guys work at quarterback for this organization without a practice,

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Speaker 1: So I just feel like we're going on two years

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Speaker 1: of stuff. It's got to get smoother than this. It

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Speaker 1: can't be this bumpy. Gotta be able to drive the

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Speaker 1: car once the driver's head teacher goes back to class

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Speaker 1: and you drive home. Right, at some point, it's your car.

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Speaker 1: You're the driver, there's no nobody else in it.

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Speaker 6: this week. It's a battle in the Big Ten as

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Speaker 6: Minnesota takes on Dante Moore and Number nine Oregon Friday night,

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Speaker 1: All Right, Adam Schefter just broke the story. Brian Dabole

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Speaker 1: has been fired New York Giants head coach. I think

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Speaker 1: it's idiotic. So this is what the New York Jets

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Speaker 1: did last year. The New York franchise just don't know

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. So the Jets last year, let's fire

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Speaker 1: the best coach we have, Robert Sala. How it work embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: So the best coach the Giants have is Brian Dable,

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Speaker 1: who works really well with Jackson Dart. So you're gonna

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Speaker 1: let him walk out of the building and then you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have like the third or fourth best coach on

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Speaker 1: the staff takeovers the interim guy, and if he wins

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Speaker 1: a couple of games, every fan going to be going, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's our guy. Never fire the best coach on your staff.

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Speaker 1: And if you have to do it at the end

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Speaker 1: of a season, in the middle of a season, to

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Speaker 1: fire Robert Sala, the Jets went sideways in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's until yesterday Sala was up for Coordinator

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Speaker 1: of the Year. They have no players left in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: So again, these New York franchises, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's talk radio that drives it, or the newspapers or

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Speaker 1: the fans or the media, but I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: the Jets a year ago. You're firing your best coach.

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Speaker 1: If you want to fire him at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, that's fine. But he has a really good

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Speaker 1: relationship with the most important person on your team, Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? Just like last year, Robert Sala

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Speaker 1: great relationship with Sauce Gardner and Quinn Williams fired him,

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Speaker 1: circled the drain. So you know I would hire Dable

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Speaker 1: as a coordinator in fifteen minutes. Does he get another

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Speaker 1: head coaching job?

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Speaker 2: Possible?

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's probable, But I've said before with

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Speaker 1: Robert slip, Robert Sala deserves a second crack. He's a

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Speaker 1: great defensive coach. He just got to get the offensive guy, right.

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Speaker 1: I think Dable's an excellent offensive coach. Neighbors isn't healthy.

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Speaker 1: Scataboo's not healthy, and they let and I can tee,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you. Here's why they fired him. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: the fourth time we've led by ten, you know, late

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Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, but you don't have a running back.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard when your quarterback who's athletic, gets dinged

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Speaker 1: up where he could run around and get first downs. Instead,

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Speaker 1: you go to old man Russell Wilson, who is not

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart at this point, and you don't have Scataboo.

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Speaker 1: So when you have these ten point leads, what you

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Speaker 1: want to do is run the ball. That is the key,

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Speaker 1: especially in November late October November football. Well, Scataboo's gone,

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Speaker 1: so it is harder when you have a lead to

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Speaker 1: melk the clock and eat the clock. And you don't

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Speaker 1: have Scataboo and Jackson Dark gets banged up. So and

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Speaker 1: coming up here this schedule Green Bay at Detroit at

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Speaker 1: New England. Let's see how you do with an interim coach.

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Speaker 1: Good luck. That's the three toughest games in a row

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Speaker 1: in the schedule. Good luck. And for the record, if

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Speaker 1: I would have told you before the season started, let's say,

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Speaker 1: let's say they beat the Raiders and they beat Washington

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Speaker 1: and they finish four and thirteen. If I would have

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Speaker 1: told you before the season, okay, listen, they finish four

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Speaker 1: and thirteen or five and twelve. But neighbors in Scataboo

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Speaker 1: both get hurt, and Jackson Dark plays really well with

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Speaker 1: Brian Davel, you'd be like, y'all'll sign up for it.

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Speaker 1: You had no reasonable person looked at this schedule and thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's a nine win team or an eight win team.

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Speaker 1: We say I picked them for fourth and division I

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Speaker 1: think third or fourth. I mean they weren't a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: So I always say this anytime my wife gets all

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Speaker 1: work up about the kids. I'm like, well, would you

657
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Speaker 1: have signed up for this or this or this?

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Speaker 2: And the answer is usually yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not

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Speaker 2: as bad.

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Speaker 1: As you think. If I'd have told you Neighbors gets hurt,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas in and out of the lineup, Scataboo gets hurt.

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00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: Dallas is better than everybody thinks. But Jackson Dart emerges

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Speaker 1: as a franchise quarterback. You just signed up for that.

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Speaker 1: So these New York football teams are so absurdly reactionary.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the Jets in a different uniform.

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Speaker 1: Good luck. And again, when you fire coaches mid season,

667
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Speaker 1: it's kind of humiliating, right. They are going to be

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Speaker 1: people that look at that job and like Jackson Dart

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Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, I want to sign up for that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to sign up for that.

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Speaker 1: You're going to go and hire a coordinator. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you right now. If I was the New York Giants,

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Speaker 1: I can sit here and complain. I'd hire Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: That's who I would go.

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Speaker 2: Hire.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rodgers with Cooper Rush, with Dak Prescott.

677
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's quarterbacks win and perform very well. I would

678
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: hire Mike McCarthy. The only advantage to firing Brian Dable

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Speaker 1: is that you can get on the phone this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what are the rules in the NFL

681
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Speaker 1: on coaches stuff. There's probably some arcane rule you can't

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00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: call before this and that. I would just send messages

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Speaker 1: through agents in the right channels. Mike McCarthy's who we want.

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Speaker 1: That's my solution. Don't get caught up because watch what happens.

685
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Speaker 1: Some interim guy goes out and wins three games, and

686
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: every Giant fans like that. Yeah, players respond to that guy.

687
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: That's my substitute teacher rule. Everybody loves the substitute teacher. Okay,

688
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: So thirteen seasons the Giants have one playoff win. Brian

689
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: Dabele and Daniel Jones. Okay, so you can complain all

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Speaker 1: you want. He got Daniel Jones of the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. He was the guy in the building that

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Speaker 1: loved Jackson Dart right like. There were a lot of naysayers,

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Speaker 1: myself included.

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Speaker 2: We didn't like Jack.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Jackson Dart's the second round guy. I

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Speaker 1: said that. I said, I've seen him with Lane Kevin

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. He's got talent, He's a

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Speaker 1: draftable quarterback. He's a second round guy. Right now. He

699
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Speaker 1: looks better than cam Ward. And the one guy that

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Speaker 1: kept pounding on his chest was Brian Babel.

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Speaker 2: He was the one guy that's my guy.

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Speaker 1: All Right, the Giants interim head coach will be there,

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00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: sixth since twenty sixteen. Ben mcannew spags Pat Shermer, Joe Judge,

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Speaker 1: Brian Babel.

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Speaker 2: All right, you know this whole charade.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you hate the Giants, so you probably

707
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Speaker 1: think this is the greatest day of all time.

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Speaker 6: No, shockingly, I kind of agree with you because of

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Speaker 6: Jackson Dart's been so good here the media, it's like

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Speaker 6: the talking points came from high above. The owner is

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Speaker 6: like basically texting every media member, well, he started two

712
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Speaker 6: and eight each of the last three years, Like they

713
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 6: had one of the lowest wind totals in the league.

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Speaker 6: This year two years ago was the Daniel Jones injury.

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Speaker 6: I believe coming off the playoff here, they're killing Dabo

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Speaker 6: for blowing these leads Colin with a rookie quarterback and

717
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 6: no skill position players. He's throwing a Darius Slayton and

718
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 6: Theo Johnson they're building leads. The fact that he can't

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Speaker 6: hold him obviously not great. But you got a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 6: I'm stunned because Colin, I'll be honest, what if the

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Speaker 6: next coach evaluates Dart and says, yeah, he looks okay,

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Speaker 6: not from my system, then you've got to restart over

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Speaker 6: at quarterback.

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Speaker 2: It's not a given that Jackson.

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Speaker 6: Dart is their franchise quarterback, but with Dables thinking about.

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Speaker 1: This, so yesterday against the Bears on the road, Scataboo's out,

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Speaker 1: neighbors is out, Jackson Dart concussion out, And because you

728
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Speaker 1: couldn't win Cam Up Williams and that skill group against

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, and because you couldn't win on the road

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Speaker 1: in the snow, and people are talking about, well, I

731
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Speaker 1: remember that there's a situational play that all the Giant

732
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Speaker 1: fans were complaining about.

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Speaker 6: Within one do you go fourth and one up seven

734
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Speaker 6: or do you kick the field to go to go

735
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Speaker 6: do up two scores?

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Speaker 2: I could barely get it out. I hadn't sure.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you go for the touchdown there, but whatever, I mean,

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Speaker 6: you're not firing the coach off that. Hey, Colin, where's

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Speaker 6: Dable coaching next year? Is he a head coach or

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Speaker 6: an OC?

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Speaker 1: He'll interview for the Dolphins job. Probably. He's rougher than

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. He's kind of groff. He's the opposite of

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Speaker 1: the McDaniel. Colin right, Colin wrong on the Monday next

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Speaker 1: it's the hurt