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Speaker 1: It isn't God funny that the greeter dude got me.

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Speaker 1: God wanted the world to hear about zema. It's like

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Speaker 1: a wind dude, that what's the hope? You know? If

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Speaker 1: you can't be saved from yourself, we're screwed. And this

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Speaker 1: is the upload. This is a new Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: This is a new thing.

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Speaker 1: Where where where did this come from?

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Speaker 2: We want to have conversations about not just the person

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Speaker 2: excited to have a conversation with you about because I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's nuts. Yeah, it's hard to uh podcast it up,

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Speaker 1: you know. Honestly, I talked to so many people and

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Speaker 2: Testimonies in general, people need to hear it because and

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Speaker 1: It does. Yeah, it's interesting. That's a great point because, uh,

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Speaker 1: But like I'm always am like here he goes again,

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Speaker 3: It's like the scripture, like the Bible every time and

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Speaker 3: like David and glythe here we go again. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: like could it be the same way it's God breathe

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Speaker 3: that it's not because it's intent isn't just to understand

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Speaker 3: And I think that's even just more confirmation for me.

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Speaker 3: This is just a you know, Wincy Spider climbed up

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Walker Hayes is on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: By the way, everybody Man Glory helped. I mean, I'll

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Speaker 1: ask Lannie. I would I would beg her, hey, please, Lany,

428
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: please give me an example of someone who is renewed

429
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: on this earth because of the Son, because of the Messiah,

430
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: the Son of God, you know, almost in like in

431
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: a serious way. But but I'm not like saying it

432
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: in the most respectful way, but I am communicating it

433
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: to my wife. And she would say one night, she said,

434
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: what about Paul. You know, She's like, Paul was killing people,

435
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, and the dude turned like literally one eighty

436
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: on the road to Damask, you know. And I was like,

437
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean in the manual, you know. I was like,

438
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't that doesn't count. It's not the same, you know.

439
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: You can't just be like, hey, well there's this book,

440
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, I know, there's the book I'm talking I'm

441
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: talking about like real life. And she recommended a book

442
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: that a friend gave her, and I recommend this book

443
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: to anybody. It's called Secrets of an Unlikely Convert and

444
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: it's about a girl, a woman named Rosario Butterfield, and

445
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: her testimony is bonkers. But in the weirdest way, our

446
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: testimonies were literally the same. My need just hadn't hit

447
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: the ground yet, you know what I mean. Like and

448
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: and she she she dealt with the same, the hypocrisy thing,

449
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: you know. She she talks about driving to a church

450
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: and feeling a bulletin and having anxiety and leaving, you know,

451
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: and and but she talks about a friend and I

452
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: think her friend was named Ken, so he's basically Craig,

453
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, in anyway, I mean, it's crazy.

454
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: They're they're they're like word for word, except she just surrendered,

455
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, and she was she's different. I mean there's

456
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: the difference, and it's like she's one way and now

457
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: it's different. And so the next day I came in

458
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: on a bus, snuck in a bookstore on in Cool Springs.

459
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: I bought a Bible and just devoured it. I mean,

460
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: just ate it up, read it in anew like you

461
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: were saying, it's kind of like liquid. It's new, It's

462
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: like it's a life it it Uh you know. I

463
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: used to be told growing up as a hero, there

464
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: to be a Dan, you know, But when I read it,

465
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: I was like, no, Daniel's an idiot, you know, like

466
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: they're all these people. It's about humans being humans, God

467
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: taking stone hearts, making them flesh and new and seeing redemption.

468
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: And then they made mess up again, and then Peter

469
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: denies Christ. But then Peter starts the chart, you know,

470
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: and it's like it's just us constantly God making amazing

471
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: stuff that's that's meant for evil, making it good. And

472
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: and again back to the me seeing myself clearly for

473
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: once in my life, I wasn't, hey man, this really hurt.

474
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: That childhood thing really broke me. Hey I need this.

475
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: It was it was no, no, no, no no. I don't

476
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: need rescuing from like monsters under the bed or hurricanes

477
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: or I don't need a hit song. I don't need

478
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: somebody to get me. I need somebody to put me

479
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: in like a heavenly straight jacket and make sure I

480
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: don't screw it all up. I need, I need, I

481
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: need rescued from this right here. This this dude, that's that.

482
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: This is the worst, you know, everything else, whatever, but

483
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's that I I I need help

484
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: from me, and and that is what happened on the cross,

485
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like, other than that, what's the hope,

486
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you can't be saved from yourself, we're screwed,

487
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, we just are. It's just and so yeah,

488
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I met. I actually had dinner with Craig. Told lady first,

489
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: I had dinner with Craig and was like, bro, I believe,

490
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: I believe at all. I want to give my life

491
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: to Christ. He wants my heart. I want him to

492
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: have it. And we were joyed. We cried, pray. He

493
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: went to the bathroom, got on his knees and just

494
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, praised God. And we've been walking together, you know,

495
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: with Lord. You know, since he's about it. He's a brother,

496
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: like a real real life brother, you know, and I

497
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: think I'm blessed. That's rare. You know, that's really rare

498
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: to me. Relationships are super valuable, and relationships like that

499
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: with Craig. I mean I didn't have one of those,

500
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure I ever expected to have one

501
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: of those in my life again, the last of nine kids.

502
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I don't. I'm not that way with my own blood.

503
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, I wish I was. But you know, it'd

504
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: be weird if I called one of them. Maybe I

505
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: need to clean that up, you know, have some you know,

506
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: mercy on somebody and then me. But yeah, me, and

507
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: Craig We're just we're great and and it changed my life, man,

508
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just and that was only Look, dude,

509
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a five year old believer. So I'm

510
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: still in like vacation Bible school. I mean I'm learning,

511
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: I am, dude. I'm still learning every day. And just

512
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: when I think, just when I get on that lofty

513
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: like brow, you know, I'm like, who.

514
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: But I think it's so cool how you take your

515
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: story of literal bottom of the pit broken.

516
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

517
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: Like I'm over here in tears thinking about I have

518
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: two little girls, and like, what one little small thing

519
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: that could have happened to change that?

520
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: And I know.

521
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: How honest and raw you a are about those feelings

522
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: in that room of how you weren't thinking of anybody else,

523
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: you were thinking of me.

524
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: Gross. Yeah, it's not.

525
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: Though, I feel like that's the human reaction.

526
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

527
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: And there's people in the world that are dealing with

528
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: something similar or the exact same thing that are like

529
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gross. Yeah, And your story and the

530
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: redemption behind it is going to change and probably has

531
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: changed so many people's lives. So I just want to

532
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: say from this side looking in, I'm just grateful that

533
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: you're willing to be open and share such hard things.

534
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well thanks, No, I mean honestly that you're gonna

535
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: make me cry. But yeah, the I don't know how

536
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: to I mean again, I actually, honestly, man, I'm so

537
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: captivated by by the Lord. You know, as soon as

538
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: I met Jesus, there was a lot of like what

539
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: do I do now? What's different? You know, it was like, oh,

540
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, it kind of released me from the

541
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: slavery of music, the slavery of performance in general. It

542
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: did it is set those changes for and I was like, well,

543
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: what do we do it? You know, I was like,

544
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: where are we going? God? You want to go to Rwanda?

545
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: Wait?

546
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: You know I want to do which is funny, and

547
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: that's a human of me going, let's do something sexy, man,

548
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Let's go to like the d R and build houses

549
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: or what you know. And then I was and then

550
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I don't I'm not going anywhere,

551
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: like I'm still you know, I'm still right here. But

552
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: fancy like you know, came along and I was like, well,

553
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I guess you want me to think about Applebee? You know,

554
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: I even I even I even did like a I

555
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: even audited a seminary class for like a week and

556
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: was like, dude, maybe maybe I'm a preacher.

557
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 5: Bro.

558
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like, I was like, I don't

559
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: really like to read that much, you know, but when

560
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: fancy like comes along, you know that that's been a burden.

561
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing burden. But it's nothing compared to

562
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: that losing Oakley. And and in the weirdest way, I

563
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: don't know how to describe it, but the worst, the

564
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: worst pain I ever felt. It's my It's the it's

565
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: the most valuable thing I will I think I'll probably

566
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: have on this earth unless so, you know, God forbid

567
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: another circumstance crush like that. I pray, I don't, you know.

568
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: But in the weirdest way, if you were like, hey,

569
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: you're going to have and grab one thing, I'm I mean,

570
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm leaving Nashville, I'm leaving my house. I mean, no offense, kids,

571
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: and why, but I'm leaving that. I'm bringing that. I'm

572
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: bringing what made the knee bow. Yeah, because because that's

573
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: where I needed to get, you know, That's that's where

574
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: I was born to be, is both knees down, face

575
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: down in front of the Messiah, you know, and so yeah,

576
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I know that doesn't I think there's a lot of

577
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: people probably hear that and they're like, this dude is insane.

578
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think Lanny would feel the same.

579
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: She'd be like, peace walk. I'm grabbing that moment because

580
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: that's when we knew our savior. I mean, that's that's

581
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: that's that's where we met him.

582
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so powerful, man, I am so real. And

583
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: I think, just like you were saying, it's the.

584
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: Paul, like your wife saying, there's Paul.

585
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: Look at Paul.

586
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: I see Paul in you, bro, Like I see the

587
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: boasting of the thorn, of the struggle, of the weakness,

588
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: the pain, the like his grace. Everything that you're saying,

589
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: your story, your life points to his grace, like dude,

590
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: And that's beautiful. And I think it's not only just

591
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: beautiful and potent, it's real for all of us. Doesn't

592
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: matter if you're a preacher, a singer, costco man I

593
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: used to work at Big w which is an.

594
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Australian Australian Australian costco. It's exactly what Big Dubs Manna Dubs.

595
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: Before Big Dubs and elves and were like popular, so

596
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: it was kind of like ahead of its time. But

597
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: that was my story and I remember like going out

598
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: and dude, I just I think back to everybody can

599
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: relate to weakness, but everyone wants to hide it. Everyone

600
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 3: can relate to pain, but everyone wants to just talk

601
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: about the good times and pulses. I'll boast in my

602
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: weakness because in my weakness He's strong. And that when

603
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: we look like I just love and that when you're

604
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: telling your story, you're like, man, I was, I was

605
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: at this place.

606
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: You've got to understand.

607
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: It's the highs, but the lows are where the grace

608
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: of God changed my life. I'll take the I'll take

609
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: like I'm grateful for the highs. I'm grateful for the mountaintops,

610
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 3: but the valleys where the fruit grows, where the life

611
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: change happened, where I met Jesus on my knees like that, bro,

612
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: that'll you are a preacher, my friend. You preached with

613
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: the testimony of Jesus's grace through your life. And I

614
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: think back as I'm listening to your story, the moment

615
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: where you were in the car pre all this, I'm

616
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: assuming I'm I'm you can help me maybe where it

617
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: was in the timeline. But when you said to your wife,

618
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: why does this guy love me so much? Where was

619
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: that in the timeline of just that awakening to God?

620
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: That was prior, That was prior to losing you know, Oakley.

621
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was drunk that night. I

622
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: mean I remember I was riding in the passenger's seat,

623
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: so Lannie was driving us home from their neighborhood in Franklin.

624
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: So I mean that was yeah, you know again it

625
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: took me a good heart minute, you know, to get there.

626
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: But that I agree with you that there's a song

627
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: called Craig and in that you can hear that song

628
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and you can go. I mean I even hear it,

629
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like bro an atheist wrote that, like that

630
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: dude's heart's kind of soft, like he's he's one. He's

631
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: thinking he's confused. Yeah, he's confused by the supernatural love

632
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: of Christ. You know I was, And that, like you said,

633
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: I'll never forget asking that question because I was be

634
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: prior to this. In meeting Craig, I was a very

635
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: like don't let them see your inquisitive side of it,

636
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, stand up, stand up against this movement, you know,

637
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so for me to

638
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: like slip up and go, I don't get it. Why

639
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: why is he? Why can he love me like that?

640
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: Like I was like, what's the catch? What's gonna happen?

641
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: You know?

642
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: And how how cool too of God to just be like,

643
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a craig so I can explain

644
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: my love in a very tangible way for you to

645
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: open your eyes to it.

646
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Really, you know, when like like when I like when

647
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I just make eye contact with like one of my

648
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: sons and we're both like thinking an inside joke and

649
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: I just walk up to him and like I just

650
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of like hug him, and I'm just like and

651
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: he laughs. That's what I feel like God does to

652
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: me when someone like you reminds me. Because remember this

653
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: all started well, I hate church, I hate church people,

654
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I hate anything. I hate, I hate life way, I

655
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: hate you know what I mean. It was just, oh,

656
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: my Lord, don't say the church.

657
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: What please?

658
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't give me another billboard with a Jesus

659
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: thing about or where are you going today? If you die?

660
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: You know?

661
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it was like, yeah, I know the

662
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: verse you know, it was like and and it isn't

663
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: God funny that the greeter dude got me. You know,

664
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: it's like it's so funny. It's like that humors me

665
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: in the weirdest way. You know. It's like, of all people,

666
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: it's this by vocational preacher guy named Craig who gave

667
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: us a Chrysler. You know. It's like it's it's it's awesome.

668
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 1: But so Craig adopted me basically, and that's that's what

669
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: God does through Christ. You know, that's how we get

670
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: in the fam. And you know, when you adopt somebody,

671
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: you know everything, you know them and you love them,

672
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: and when they slam the door, you know why, and

673
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: that's why you go knock. You know, you just love him.

674
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: And that's what Craig. I think. I probably try to

675
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: push Craig away, you know, and he didn't go anywhere.

676
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: That's hard. That's hard to do that. Again, That's why

677
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: it's so rare. Like you we're all talking this, but

678
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure we could all think of people where we're like,

679
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: we feel God going that dude needs love, but we're like,

680
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: I know, but like have you smelled his breath or

681
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: you're like Oh man, he's pretty annoying, you know, you

682
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And that's humanity, that's but Craig

683
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: didn't do that, Like it's the weirdest uh. And Craig

684
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 1: didn't do that to everybody. He's not like some type

685
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: of angel, you know. That's another thing. But he knew

686
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: me and he loved me, and that was so rare.

687
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I never I never tasted that down here.

688
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: That's so it's by that kind of love. Jesus says

689
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: that you'll know that you're might decide. And I think

690
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: that we all have an appointment set by God to

691
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: love people in a way that's not transactional, conditional, that

692
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: breaks through. Even though this is what I find it

693
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: hard to believe, Like I'll do it as long as

694
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 3: that people like yeah, yeah, yeah, But as soon as

695
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: you're like now, I'm like okay, respectfully, like fair enough,

696
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: Like I got places to be anyway, I tried. God,

697
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: I ticked the box. But for like, it's deeply confronting

698
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: and encouraging at the same time. It doesn't make me

699
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 3: feel bad or it stirs me up. Bro to know

700
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: that Crey like encouraged me deeply that he didn't even

701
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 3: see the seeds of fruit in you, or the signs

702
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: of fruit. In fact, the signs the signs of fruit.

703
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: It was kind of like resistance, it was. And that's

704
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: so I look at things where I feel resistance right

705
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: now in my own life with loving people, and I'm like,

706
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: where can I press in a little bit more, and

707
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: not out of trying to even outcome focus, but just

708
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: out of like the overflow of.

709
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 4: God.

710
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 3: This is something you've called me to do, regardless to

711
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: keep that appointment to love people well, regardless of whether

712
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm feeling it reciprocating. The chemistry is there that's deeply challenging,

713
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 3: and I think potent that that is the backbonus, the seed.

714
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: That one encouraging thing about March some of me that

715
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: I try to express to any believers who will listen,

716
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: is I just don't think anybody knew, you know, as

717
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: much as my wife knows me and as much as

718
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: Craig knew me, you just don't know. You don't know

719
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: how close the Lord's hand in their hand is. You

720
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: just really don't. And you might it might be on

721
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: the one yard line, but it doesn't seem like that,

722
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: you know. And so there's that that causes me to

723
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: think of a few people that I just genuine that

724
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: I just do love and honestly, I forget I'm I'm

725
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 1: with them in life and I'm doing life with them

726
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm not. Hey, would you like to

727
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: read some scripture with me today? You know? But I'm

728
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm. The initial intent was, man, I would

729
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: love I would love to see their new believer, like

730
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: what what does this do look like? When he found Jesus?

731
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: Like I just want to see that day so bad.

732
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: But you never know, you just don't know what that

733
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: when it's going to happen.

734
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, are there people in your life that you

735
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: feel like you can be a Craig two or maybe

736
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: that you feel like you're that for them?

737
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: Ah, when honestly it is a very emotional thing for me,

738
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: Like for instance, maybe some of my kids friends when

739
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: I coach basketball, and that'll make that'll make me chear up. Man,

740
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: when you see a kid h and they're meeting Jesus

741
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: and you're forgetting to like be all about the hoops,

742
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: you know, and you're you know, you're working on their

743
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: defensive stance, but you see like growth, like you see

744
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: a man you see a boy and a young man

745
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: meeting Christ. That's that's pretty insane, especially in a in

746
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 1: a great just such gratitude to go. Guy, that's cool

747
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: that I that I'm just I'm here to witness it,

748
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that it something kind of

749
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: went down in my house or you know, dude, meet

750
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: and greets. I know this sounds like cheesy and transactional

751
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, but when I you know, when somebody walks

752
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: up with the glad you're here book and they say,

753
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, they say, I'm twenty seven days sober, you know,

754
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: and I you know, I was a lot like you

755
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: and I walked in church the other day. Yeah, I'm like, bro,

756
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: I'll see you in heaven. Man. That's crazy. That's insanity.

757
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: You know.

758
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: There's the there's the like we've dealt a lot. How

759
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: do I say this, Like we've given people cars, but

760
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel it feels a little like, hey, we

761
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: gave somebody a car, you know, but I do think

762
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: of them and go, I'm so glad. I'm so glad

763
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: they have a clean car, you know, because I know

764
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: what it's like to have that burden lifted, and so

765
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: I love things like that. But yeah, man, anytime I

766
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: see you, I just told you a part of my story.

767
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: You can only imagine when I see God doing good

768
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: works through me, my wife, my kids, my family, I'm

769
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: really humbled. I'm really like, man, I didn't see this coming.

770
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I didn't expect this, like it would have been enough.

771
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

772
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I just want to encourage you too,

773
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: because I feel like when you were talking about the

774
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: meet and greets, are like, I know this sounds weird,

775
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: this might sound transactional, but like, how cool that God

776
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: trusted you, Yeah, the walker who was drinking himself to

777
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: death working at Costco. Yeah, hating him and being very

778
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: vocal about it. He trusted you to lead people to Christ.

779
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that is yeah, Yeah, that amazing. I mean what

780
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: a tall Yeah that does it get any like, I mean,

781
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the amazing. Part of the process is

782
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: definitely watching that happen. And also, you guys need to

783
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: talk to Craig Man. Craig, Craig, Craig, this is insane.

784
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: I did not know this about the song till till

785
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: we wrote the book. Glad You're here, but Craig, this

786
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: is this astounds me. It kind of breaks my heart

787
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 1: for for ministers and believers in general.

788
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 5: But Craig had just begged the Lord that day, pleaded

789
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 5: with the Lord, cried out to the Lord, H what.

790
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Impact am I having? Like? And then that night my

791
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: wife actually sent the Craig song because I was like,

792
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's weird to write a song

793
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: about a dude and send it like he's gonna freak

794
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: out when he was email and I wrote a song

795
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: called Craig, you know, and she sent it to him

796
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: and in his despair, I mean, he was on a

797
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: date with his wife, pouring out his inadequacy, and she said,

798
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: I think we need to listen to this, and crag

799
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: and the song Craig came on in the car, which

800
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: is basically saying, man, I don't know anything about this dude,

801
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: but I know he knows. I know he might know Jesus.

802
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: And so that was cool, Like that was a whole

803
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: nother that was like another testimony going on at the

804
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: same time that I didn't even know. And of course

805
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: Craig's got to be going, God, you're using an atheist

806
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: to love on me. This is balker, you know. And

807
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: he details it, you know, way better than me. But yo,

808
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: see it, man, just again the miracle that I mean,

809
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: imagine how Paul must have felt like he got to

810
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: start the whole freaking sh bang. You know, that's crazy.

811
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: What a turn of events, you know, like that's insane.

812
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's such a to me. That's like

813
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: a a reoccurring completion of the testimonial sentence. Somehow. It's like,

814
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: bam see, I told you, bam see, I told you.

815
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, just to see those around you

816
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: just falling in love with Jesus's it's it's insane.

817
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like going back to you saying,

818
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: you know, kids, basketball teams, these kids, Yeah, you've got

819
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: six kids. Yeah, when it comes to you being a

820
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: leader in your home, you know, leading them to Jesus.

821
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: And what is something you want your kids to learn

822
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: from your faith and your faith journey and and just

823
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: where you are, like, what are you what are you

824
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: hoping your kids take away from that?

825
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: Just sheer dependency, that's it. I don't, I don't. I

826
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: don't want them to like I don't want them to.

827
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 1: I just want them to rely on Jesus and him alone.

828
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: That's it. Nothing, you know, I think my kids have

829
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: to I noted as they get older, you know, they're

830
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: where am I gonna go? What am I gonna do?

831
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: What am wena do for a job? Will it be successful?

832
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: Will I not? Will I find a girlfriend? Will I find?

833
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: You know? And it's like, that's just seek first the

834
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: Kingdom of God and his righteousness and everything else. You're good, dude,

835
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Like you're good, trust me. But then they watch me

836
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: and I I the Hey, I struggle with that too. Man.

837
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: I see a see a dollar bill run by it,

838
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, wait, I need that, you know,

839
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: or you know, I see some affirmation to be to

840
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: be had, and I'm like, dude, I gotta post for

841
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: y'all today, you know. And and and I fight, you know,

842
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm I'm me. But I just want them,

843
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: I hope when I die, I just want them to, man,

844
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: be the coolest thing. If they were like, man, he

845
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: really really wanted to love Jesus with everything he had.

846
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: You know, that'd be sick, you know if my kids

847
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: would say that. But that's that's kind of what I'm

848
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: trying to teach him, because the other way just doesn't

849
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: work out that great, you know, it just doesn't you know, God,

850
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: God has a way and the truth and a light

851
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: and it's Jesus. And that is the you know, as

852
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: much as I don't want to be a teacher or

853
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: a coach all the time, it's like, would you like

854
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: to thrive in ways bigger than your career blowing up,

855
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: or in ways bigger than your you mattering to the masses.

856
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: Here's Jesus. Just do that. Just he wants your heart,

857
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: let him have it.

858
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: I think there's so many people wrestling with purpose, like

859
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 3: wrestling with restlessness. Yeah, like what's the point, here's this place.

860
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: When I get here, I'll be happy I'm doing this

861
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 3: so and I think even drinking and anything we use

862
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: to kind of like just just for a little bit

863
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 3: while I'm wrestling until I get to the point where

864
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 3: I don't need this anymore. And that's the trap.

865
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: And what I hear in your story.

866
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 3: Is this divine purpose like this you're not talking about

867
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 3: even like what you could. We could be talking about

868
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: a lot of things right now, we're talking about new songs,

869
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 3: we'd be talking about this the highest moment we could

870
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: be talking about, But you're talking about Jesus purpose. And

871
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: I love so much that out of all of the

872
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 3: bull's eyes, we could be focusing on this seek first

873
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 3: the Kingdom of God, loving others. I just want to

874
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 3: say that it's inspiring that I think that you've found

875
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: the antidote to the restlessness. Not the fact that we

876
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: don't wrestle, not the fact that we don't feel and

877
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: the struggle, but like, what is that? And as you've

878
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: been as we kind of how would we wrap that

879
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: up to a bulls someone who's feeling restless and struggling

880
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: with purpose?

881
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 4: What would you say to them right now?

882
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: Mmm? Well, I try to put myself. I try to

883
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: go backwards when you ask that question and imagine me, Yeah,

884
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: pre you know, christ, I probably wouldn't be listening to

885
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: this podcast, but I think. I mean, the first two

886
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: words that come to mine are just he knows you're

887
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: not alone. And that's not that is whit? What a true?

888
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you hit the nail on the head. That's

889
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: every that's every kid, that's everybody I know is driving

890
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: around in their car today just going what do I do?

891
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: And usually usually whatever we're doing is just a coping mechanism.

892
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: I try to some days, I try to look back

893
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: on my day and go what wasn't a coping mechanism,

894
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: And sadly, as a bond servant of Jesus Christ, I

895
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: can't think of one thing that wasn't just to cope.

896
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: Even my family. I hang out with my family just

897
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: to not be bored, you know, I don't know, or

898
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: to feel good, you know. And so yeah, I would

899
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: just say he knows and he loves you so good.

900
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: I'm just curious to know with Earlier in our conversation

901
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: you were talking about how you basically stopped chasing this

902
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: like performance. Yeah, you know, music is a plus. Yeah,

903
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: it's not the life anymore, right, Yeah, So your perspective

904
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: on how you're making music and what you're saying, or

905
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: even if it does well or if it doesn't, your

906
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: perspective now being on the other side of you know,

907
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: atheist like all the way on this side to where

908
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: you are now, your approach to music and how different

909
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: it is, you know, having a relationship with Christ.

910
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly, Laura Craig's wife, we were just at

911
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: McAllister's the other day and we were we were talking

912
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: about what you're saying, and I agree she she gets

913
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: full credit for this and I'd heard this kind of

914
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: concept from a pastor. I forget who said it, but

915
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: he does this awesome sermon called like drinking orange Juice

916
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: to the Glory of God, and I always thought it

917
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: was kind of corny, but anyway, well, basically the concept

918
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: is like I see music now as it's kind of

919
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: like it's what God did when he made the earth,

920
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 1: Like he he just was like, Papa, how about this,

921
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: you know? And he was like, He's just like the

922
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: greatest artist ever, you know, just building the earth and

923
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: this eating people want to do. When I look in

924
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: your face and I hear your voice from Australia, I'm

925
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: just like, God, You're You're crazy, dude. You've made this guy,

926
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: you know? And and uh and not not only like

927
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: your physical you, but like your life like what what

928
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: you what your soul has in it? And you too,

929
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: you know and and uh and so I kind of

930
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: see that as now. I try I attempt to see

931
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: all those things and to do those things in my

932
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: job as worship. Like when I'm when I'm when I'm

933
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: writing a song, I I it's a it's I'm God's

934
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: still there, like we're still hanging and I'm like, what

935
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: a line. You know, it's cool that those words existed

936
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: and you can put them in this order and then

937
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: they ride, you know, and you're like, but they were

938
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: sitting there for eternity and now they're laying here and

939
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, we just did that doe and and uh,

940
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, look do I go in some days and

941
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: life is just a nine to five And I'm just like,

942
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: oh man, but no, I mean, I kind of it's

943
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: it's what's crazy, is it released me from the bondage

944
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: of that performance. But the fact that I get to

945
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: do that became more beautiful than ever and is now

946
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, but it's a more freeing process. It's like,

947
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, we my my, my team and I we

948
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: beg the Lord to get us out the way, like

949
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: let us not take one moment, you know that that

950
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: we get to paint with notes and words. And I'm

951
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: with a band that I've been with twelve years and

952
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: we've watched each other's kids grow up and some have

953
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: had cancer and some have survived. And we're up there

954
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: in tight pants, acting stupid, and it's like and it's

955
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: just worse. It's like it's like there's a sense of

956
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: gratitude while we're doing it all and it it's all

957
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: from God and it's all for God, and we mix

958
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: it up. You know, people cheer and you're like, I'm

959
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: a pretty good dancer, you know, but it's like wha,

960
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: well nah, you know, and and so yeah, it's more

961
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: you know my music, and I think you know, yeah,

962
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: I think you can. I think you can hear when

963
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: any song I write, Man, I'm just having a blast.

964
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Like whether it's like dead serious and makes you want

965
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: to cry or call your dad, or whether it's just funny.

966
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm I've had more fun as a

967
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: believer making music than I ever had before. And I

968
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's because I've been able to

969
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: see it and just to value creativity in general. I

970
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: am such a believer that every human is creative, even

971
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: the ones that say they're not. And I think that

972
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: is that's one of my favorite characteristics about God in general,

973
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: is He's just the creator. You know.

974
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: I feel like there's one thing I'd take away from

975
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: your testimony. It's just the tangible joy that God is

976
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 2: allowed me to feel. Yes, because before talking about everything

977
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 2: you're going through, what you're feeling day to day, it's

978
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: just like, like you said, it's just like another day

979
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: we're here. Why is that person so nice? Why do

980
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: they like me? And now you're just like on fire,

981
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 2: like this is fun, like you're allowed to have fun.

982
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: You have so much joy and you're just lighter.

983
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, honestly, just people. Man, It's

984
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, we don't I think sadly humans.

985
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: Don't you stop for a second and be like, dude,

986
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: this cup of coffee, I mean, okay from a bean

987
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: that's brown and rewanda, you know, and this guy brought

988
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: it here and now this guy served it to me

989
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: and I just gave him a piece of paper that's green,

990
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: and you know, like life's kind of crazy, like just

991
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: the normal stuff. It's pretty amazing. And we don't we're

992
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: just like o, hum, you know whatever. Competition man, Like

993
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: we you know again going back to the I love

994
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: coaching basketball, but that's crazy, dude, that we get out

995
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: there and sweat comes from our poores and we feel like,

996
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, and then we're like, dude, good game. You know.

997
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: It's just there's a lot of beautiful things that just

998
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: happen on a daily basis that aren't like We didn't

999
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: get a Grammy, you know or whatever, but it's pretty

1000
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: amazing that that's how we relate with one another. And

1001
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: there's lessons in sports and we have taste buds and

1002
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, like Uber drivers, for instance, imagine how

1003
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: many people they meet every day. That's insane from everywhere.

1004
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: All O.

1005
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: You and I probably had the same Uber driver. That

1006
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: blows I know you know.

1007
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you met James James?

1008
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: Now you get close with me and James's.

1009
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 3: But even the fact that you, like you say, there's

1010
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: so much beauty, so much intentionality when you're looking and

1011
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: you have eyes to see purpose.

1012
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, eyes of purpose. Bro. You oose that I'm making

1013
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 4: random noises right now.

1014
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 3: I'm just my mouth is just like trained to make

1015
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: random noises.

1016
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: We just crazy. What is a laugh now?

1017
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 4: I'm just like.

1018
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: Laugh laugh laughter, dude. Yeah, isn't it crazy when something

1019
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: cracks you up. You're like like you're you're like you're

1020
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: like a bagpipe. That's like and it's just that's just

1021
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: what he means in the horn section. Dude, even sad,

1022
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: like it's crazy, get you sad and literally your eyes

1023
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: just like rain, just like a dark sky. I'm seriously, that's.

1024
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: So true, and I love it. It's almost like that

1025
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: childlike faith that people talk about all the time. You're

1026
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: just like in awe of everything and how much sweeter

1027
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 2: life as that way.

1028
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: It's amazing, it's insane.

1029
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 4: My prayer is just.

1030
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: The old walkers that are out there, the old marks

1031
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: and old brooks that are out there listening, or even

1032
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: people we know them, that we can reach out and

1033
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: be the craigs. I just think, like, God, infuse me

1034
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: with the beauty the eyes of purpose. Infuse me with

1035
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: eyes like you're talking about to see, you know. I'm like,

1036
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 3: so I'm worried about the creases and the curtain and things,

1037
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, but I missed the beauty of

1038
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: language in my uber conversation.

1039
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know. And I think.

1040
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 4: God give me eyes to see, you know.

1041
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: And I think that's when Jesus praised that of like

1042
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: really praise for people like ears to hear and eyes

1043
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: to see, and that I wouldn't miss it, that I

1044
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 3: wouldn't just just wander through life and miss chasing this

1045
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 3: shadow of this idea that I that I think will

1046
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: do it for me. That a lot of it. I've

1047
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: got four kids, and I'm thinking about the dinner that

1048
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 3: I've got to go and this stuff and the other thing.

1049
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'm so excited now to taste and

1050
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: smell whatever it is on the table, like and so

1051
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: I really love So it's so refreshing, Bro to hear

1052
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 3: your perspective and just to see your humility and the

1053
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: purpose and the purpose that's behind it. And look not perfection,

1054
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: but man, I can there's so much that I can

1055
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: see beyond if I can just have eyes a purpose

1056
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 3: and that I get so caught up in a little

1057
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 3: tiny thing. So man, it's inspiring your inspiration, and I'm

1058
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: excited for the seeds.

1059
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: Of this conversation.

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Speaker 2: Same before we end, I want to know if there's

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Speaker 2: something specific for you family member, anybody that we can

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Speaker 2: pray for you guys.

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Speaker 1: About man, you know, yeah, I'm gonna shoot that list

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Speaker 1: is long, but uh, one thing that's constantly on my mind.

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Speaker 1: I have a sister who takes care of my mom.

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Speaker 1: She's angelic that that she does. That my mom is

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Speaker 1: is in good health. But since my dad died, the

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Speaker 1: family is we're separated. You know, that's a thing, Like

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Speaker 1: you pray for Waila, that's my sister, and she's she's

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Speaker 1: just doing such a good job and pray for my

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Speaker 1: mom and uh, that's a good one. And then yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is I'm trying to think Leela is very I

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Speaker 1: hope she wouldn't mind me saying that she could. She

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Speaker 1: could got some anxiety, and you know, I think there's

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Speaker 1: a real loud world saying figure it out. What are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do? How are you gonna how are you

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Speaker 1: gonna matter? You know? Uh, you know, and I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just want her to just can't

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Speaker 1: just hey, just you're good. You know, God wants you somewhere.

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Speaker 1: You'll go there, trust me, stick you in a whale,

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Speaker 1: spit you out on the beach.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like, I mean, can we escape that reality? No?

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Speaker 1: You know, so I'm like, dude, enjoy enjoy today, look

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Speaker 1: at today, you know. But yeah, man, I mean I

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Speaker 1: think I think my my family we could use a

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Speaker 1: lot of prayer. It's funny. As vulnerable as I love

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Speaker 1: to communicate and continue to like pre I just love,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, hey, man, let's just lay it all

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Speaker 1: out there, because it's way less exhausting than like hiding it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not that good with my own family,

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Speaker 1: and so I could we could all use a healthy

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Speaker 1: dose of that.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, when you say you're not good with your family,

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Speaker 2: you mean like your relationships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's funny like I would.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even really know y'all that well.

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Speaker 1: But if you're like, hey, what are you struggling with?

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Speaker 1: You'll be like, dude, sorry I asked, you know, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not my family and I are not like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's not which is weird. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm a complete over correction, you know.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, listen, I just want to just speak to

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Speaker 2: you first. I can say you're not You're not You're

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Speaker 2: not alone. Yeah, why is I have I have six

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Speaker 2: there's six kids in our family. There's five siblings. I'm

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Speaker 2: the second oldest, so I'm on the top of that.

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Speaker 2: It varies day by day. We don't all get along

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Speaker 2: at the same time ever, So broken families, especially when

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Speaker 2: it comes to like different personalities and you know, religion, politics,

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Speaker 2: all the things.

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Speaker 1: It's hard todays is very like, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: So I would just if I can encourage you, it's

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Speaker 2: you're not weird, It's not abnormal to not have those

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Speaker 2: close knit relationships. But God can restore it and I

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Speaker 2: believe that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, ye not seeing that, Yeah, that's there I do.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, with with some of Laney's family,

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Speaker 1: it's just God all over. I mean there there's some

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Speaker 1: there's some redemption and some relationships that y'all if I

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Speaker 1: told you like me and Lanny's dad, it's insane. Uh

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Speaker 1: where we are now, I mean it's crazy. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just because I got famous or something, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's some real stuff. Yeah. So I know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can, I can attest it, can it can happen,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, families. Family is weird.

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Speaker 2: Family is weird, but thankfully we all have each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well I'm gonna pray us out if that's cool.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dear havingly Father, Lord, just thank you for

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Speaker 2: Walker's heart, thank you for his vulnerability to share his testimony. God,

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Speaker 2: and we just we boldly pray and ask for restoration

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Speaker 2: for his family today. Lord, we pray over his sister

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Speaker 2: taking care of his mom, Lord, that you would just

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Speaker 2: equip her with every tool that she needs to continue

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Speaker 2: to do that. Lord, we pray healing over his mom.

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Speaker 2: We pray just the word restoration all over his family, spouses, siblings, cousins,

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Speaker 2: everything that their family's going through. Lord, we just pray

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Speaker 2: restoration over it. And God, I just boldly pray over

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Speaker 2: Walker's kids, Lord, that you would just raise them up

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Speaker 2: to just be vessels for you, that you would just

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Speaker 2: allow them to not just be Walker Hayes's kids, Lord,

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Speaker 2: but they would have their own identities, and that they

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Speaker 2: would just be bold in every aspect of their life. God.

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Speaker 2: And I pray over Walker, and we pray for Craig

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Speaker 2: and Laura. We pray over Laney and Walker. God. We

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Speaker 2: just we ask that you continue to bless their friendship,

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Speaker 2: bless their marriages. That it's very a parent that everything

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Speaker 2: Walker touches is because of you. Lord, and we just

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Speaker 2: ask that you bless it and you continue to bless

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Speaker 2: him and his family through it. Lord. And we just

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Speaker 2: thank you for everybody listening right now, Lord, the atheist

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Speaker 2: that might be listening that is inspired by Walker's story. Lord,

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Speaker 2: we just pray over them and there in their heart

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Speaker 2: that they would know you.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 2: We just thank you for these platforms to be able

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Speaker 2: to talk to you and about you and give you

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Speaker 2: all of the glory through it. Lord, so thank you

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Speaker 2: for the upload, thank you for the people behind the cameras,

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Speaker 2: everybody that helps it happen. God, just thank you for

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Speaker 2: all of it. In Jesus name, we pray.

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Speaker 1: Amen. Amen, Amen who