WEBVTT - Ep. 41: Supreme Bobber Fishing 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.360 Fishing is not causplay. It's not a fetish that you do. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.799 It should not turn into like a furry convention in Vegas. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:18.000 There's no longer a week you've drained the tank of 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.840 a week all the off sushi restaurants around me are 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.919 shipping their pants because if this is available at Best 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:28.920 Buy in five years, that could be really problematic. The 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.639 fish doesn't want to wear that dude symbol of marital 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:37.080 failure either. Good morning to generate anglers. Welcome to Bent, 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.000 the only fishing podcast we're aware of. It probably admits 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.040 at giggles like the pills very dough boy when it's 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:47.839 Bobber goes under Joe sur Melly, I like that a 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.800 Miles Nulty and uh. And today we're going to celebrate 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.440 those buoyant bits that bob above the surface tension. Yes, now, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.560 look you you've heard us argue on this show before 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.920 about lots of just an ange ship, most recently that 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.640 the crocs are the worst foot wherever abjectly false. And 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:08.600 you know what I had. I had a lot of 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.440 reach out about that. A lot of people are on 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:15.240 your side, some aren't, but many are. Okay, I'll be anyway. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.319 Um you and Oliver and I can be uncomfortable together. 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:23.280 That's fine. I don't care. Oh man, Anyway, what else 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.760 have we argued about? How about regionally specific fishing phrases 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.440 including stroking it, stroking them, I believe is what you're 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.319 You might say now it is stroking it and corked. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.240 But on this particular topic, it turns out that Myles 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.080 and I are in total agreement. Right we both proudly 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:43.160 fish bombers. We do. That is true. We we completely 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.360 agree with that, and we recognize the bobbers go by 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.880 a variety of different names depending on where you live 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:51.800 and how you fish. If you're a British carp lover 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:57.080 their floats, if you're a fly angler. There strike indicators, 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.720 which is a term I've always kind of hated for reasons. One, 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.960 it just seems like an unnecessarily longer way of saying 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:09.120 bobber or float like it's fewer, fewer syllables is better, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:14.000 And two it's actually inaccurate. It's not true because most 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.840 of the time it's a drift indicator. It only becomes 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.840 a strike indicator when a fish takes your fly, which 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.679 is like one tiny, little minute percentage of the the times 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.560 you're fishing, it's a drift indicator. If you've got to 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.280 be an indicator. I see what you're saying. I've always 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.160 looked at it kind of like this. Right. If it's 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.160 if it's a tiny piece of yarn that you're legitimately 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.440 using to detect the bite of, like a spring creek 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.520 fish barely taking a zebra midge, I'll let you call 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.639 it a strike indicator if you feel better. But if 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.760 it's the size of a freaking ping pong ball, right, 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.200 and let's be honest, thing of a bobber's note the 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.480 word bober in the name. Okay uh, And that's what 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.320 that's what I see most often. It's it's a bomber. 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.919 It's a bomber. It's a bomber. But not only do 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.560 they have many names, but bobber's come in many designs 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.560 and can be made of various materials. You've got your 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.400 classic red and white plastic bobber with a push button 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.880 line clip. And for the record, let me just add, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.120 if you're over ten, you should probably up your game 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.240 to a more effective and versatile bomber appropriate for the 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.760 fishing situation. If you're man, if you're a growing ass, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.600 man without children fishing with you and the red and 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.240 white Bobbers, your bobber of choice. I don't trust you, Okay, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.920 I just feel like you're being intentionally obtuse. There's so 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:28.120 many better options out there. Something's not right, uh, And 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.720 there are so many options, right, Balsa or foam stick 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.680 floats which are my personal favorite, slip bobbers, cigar floats. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.040 What else you got? Pencil floats, spring slips, popping corks, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:43.080 casting bubbles, dink floats, quill bobbers, yarnies, pinch on, even 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.480 full on party balloons. If you're a shark and tuna guy, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:51.280 you know um and all of them have specific fishing applications. Yes, yes, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.840 and this is this is why we need the celebration 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.920 of bobbers. They'll just get lumped in with that one 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.880 tiny little clip on, which we agree is kind of lame. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.760 But we're gonna talk more about the iconic red and 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:04.920 white clip on round bobber and why it sucks later 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.240 in the show, But for now, I want to focus 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.240 on the stigma against bobbera fishing. As we have talked 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.600 about in the past, the many different factions of the 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.719 fishing community love to find points of disagreement, But it 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.240 seems like almost everyone except for the eurocarp scene, the 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.799 center pin, steelhead and salmon guys, and certain inshore gulf fisheries, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.600 they all hate on bobbers. Everybody else hates the Bobbers. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.839 That's fair. It's it's like the one thing that unifies 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.320 the hardcore fly fishing purists and the crazy bass heads. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.880 Bobbers are for little kids or people who know nothing 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.599 about fishing, and that's just not true. Joe and I 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:47.120 completely disagree with that that we do. But listen, before 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.840 we get into our spirited, defensive bobbers, let's remind everyone 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.479 out there that, no matter where you stand on the 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.960 pro or anti bober debate, thirteen fishing has got you 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:00.520 covered with exceptional gear for just about every fishing situation. Indeed, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.760 they do. I lately have been finding that the lightweight 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.360 Defies Silver seven foot makes an excellent choice for drifting 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:11.760 trout magnets or other lightweights UH may or may not 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:17.240 be UH magnets are other lightweight river presentations under a 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.480 sensitive float that that particular rod. It's it's soft enough 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.200 two delicately cast the small rigs, but still got enough 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.000 backbone to turn a big brown and heavy current. I'm 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.840 a fan. I've played with those rods. I love those 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.160 rods for drifting trout mags too. But I've sent out 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.400 a shiner three under a dollar ninety nine eagle claw 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.440 slip float with rods in their open black line and 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.480 whooped the messive pickerel and perch and bass. So it's 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.280 all it's all bobber friendly, it is. Go go over 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.240 to thirteen fishing dot com. That's the number, thirteen one 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.520 three fishing dot com to gurope for all your pro 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.400 or anti bobber fishing missions. Yes, yes, so, as we 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.560 were saying, much like the point I recently made about chunking, right, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.880 bobber fishing can be as simple or as technical as 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.080 you want to make it. And you just mentioned center 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.040 pinning earlier. Um, And that's one area I'm very curious 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.120 about but not fluent in. Someday I want to learn that. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.120 I feel like it should be part of my my 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.320 skill set. Um. But I have buddies that that do it, 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.880 that center pinning. Listening to them talk about their floats 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:19.200 like Almo makes me more intimidated, you know, I mean, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.040 like they come in all different shapes and weights. I 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.720 think it's measured by grams. And then the shot pattern 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:31.000 like the level of technicality that goes into that level, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.280 because that all has to harmonize. The flight, the shot 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.080 pattern all has to harmonize to to achieve the right 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.040 drift depending on water and and uh, your your rig 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:44.000 and what you're fishing for, and it's it's definitely technical 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.320 bobber fishing. It is. It is, and we I feel 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.279 like we could spend another whole show. We might have 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.159 to do a center pin show because but I don't. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:53.960 We're not gonna go there, because it's a it's a 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.600 valid point. I also want to address a little bit 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.839 further the holier than They'll fly folks who pretend that 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.960 a fish caught beneath a strike indicator is somehow less 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.400 worthy than one cought on a floating dry fly or 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.000 a strip streamer or a tightline swing. This is this 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.200 is a pet peeve of mine. I've I have actually 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.480 written a whole articles about this, uh and had them published. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.480 If your definition of nymph fishing just involves floating down 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.400 the river in a boat and like flinging a boba 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.720 rig out and mindlessly mending. Then yeah, I can see 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.200 the argument this is a less technical way of fly fishing, 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:34.240 and maybe less I don't know, hallowed whatever, But that 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.000 to me just shows that you don't have enough creativity 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.160 to understand how nimp fishing can be done. I want 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.880 to see those same people set up and actually have 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:48.240 to work a hole or a run. I vehemently contend 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.520 the trying to get a natural drift with subsurface flies 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.160 is harder than fishing a dry fly. You can see 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.000 your dry fly. You know exactly what it's doing. You 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.880 know if it's dragging, no, it's off. You can see 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.760 if a fish comes up and eats it, rejects it. 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.200 Fishing flies well under the surface means that you you've 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.520 got to better understand current and flow and and and 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:14.240 I'm sorry, but get out of here if you think 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.640 hucking streamers and striven them back is more difficult or 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.080 technical than trying to compensate for different current speeds at 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.840 the surface of the water column in the bottom. Absolutely not. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.240 The same goes for tight lens wing. Most of the 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.880 folks I hear hating on indicator fishing just suck at 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.000 it and they want an excuse. Well, look, you know 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.040 I hate namphing, right, I've expressed this, but that's only 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.559 because I just don't personally enjoy doing it. I have 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.480 never said it was because it's easy, right, Like hell, yes, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.640 being a productive nymph for take skill, I mean you 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.520 know less. So if you're if you're, you're a nymphing. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:52.199 But we'll save that flashpoint for another show. But we're 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.240 actually kicking off this show with someone who actually feels 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:59.199 a deep and secretive shame about his own bomber fishing. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.120 As you'll hear, he asked us not to out him 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.959 as a dirty, dirty bobber bouncer. But I ignored that 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:10.320 because sunlight is the greatest antiseptic. Something like that. Uh. 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.920 Back again to offer his unique take on smooth Moves, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.480 the segment where people in the fishing industry tell us 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.640 ridiculous stories about things that clients do or say. Is 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.120 my good friend Pat Cook, manager of white Tail Country 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:34.040 fly Shop on the Upper Delaware River. Why so, I 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.000 am sitting once again in the official guide check of 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.840 Cross Current Guide Service on the Upper Delaware River. I've 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.720 recorded here before, but we have a new guest here. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.000 Sitting sitting with me is my buddy Pat Cook. How 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.120 you doing, Pat, Pretty good? Good? Good? Now you are 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.439 you are the manager of white Tail Country fly Shop. Correct, correct, okay, 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.400 And we've had you one before to tell some shop stories. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.920 But this is different today because we're not in the shop. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.959 We actually we did a thing today. We did a 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.400 thing today that we have never done before. We fished 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.000 together today. I wouldn't call it fishing. I was gonna 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.800 say it was not good. The company was good, the 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:14.040 fishing it left a bit to be desired. No Nara 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.600 area n area fish was found right, And you bob 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.920 er balled all day. I mean you just you were 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.000 like pulling out all the stops. I don't ever tell 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.280 anyone that ever again. Okay, I might erase that. I 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.280 don't know, we'll see, but yeah, you know, Um, it 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.319 was it was. It was pretty much, um twenty mile 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.960 gust in the face all day, I mean, steady, steady fifteen. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:42.280 I'd say lack luster would be an overstatement. Yeah, but 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.800 that's okay because we had a good time. And um, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.280 we're hanging out here now and we're drinking beers, and um, 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.439 you had hinted a while back that that whenever I 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.040 was ready, you had some some fresh shop stories to share. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.120 So you know, we talked to guides and captains on 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.400 smooth moves all the time. But it's fun to always 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.400 hear the perspective of the guy behind the counter. I 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.560 always said, you're the unsung hero. So what do you 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.400 What do you got fresh for us? Give us, give 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:13.319 us a good one. Okay. So um, this is I say, August. 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.000 We'll call it the slow season, which I enjoy because 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.000 I'll get into the shop in the morning and I 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.120 can actually drink my coffee. You know, a lot of 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.840 times I'll get there and there's already a car waiting 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.600 for me, which is understandable. Now you get to the river, 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.880 you're ready to fish. Eager people have an agenda. Going 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.360 to the fly shop is one of them. Whether or 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.880 not I'm ready for that, it's not up to me. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.520 But that's that's okay, that's what we're there for. Anyway, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.840 from the fly shop, there's a view of the road 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.600 that passes by, so I can see everyone that's coming 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.719 to fly. A long driveway, so you can see that, 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.280 see the riff raft coming. I can see that blinker 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.040 turn on. There's nowhere else saying go. You can't make 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.320 it right you can only go left, I know if 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.680 they're coming. So I see this car coming down the 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:10.960 road and it's got a flat tire, and I'm like, 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:17.959 go straight, just go, just go, man. I see that blanker, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:23.280 come on, you know that morning? Actually, so I drink 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.480 half calf coffee. I don't like to get all jazzed 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.719 up because you know, I like to I like the 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:40.480 enthusiasm level. It's like we need to stop. No, no, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:45.000 we don't need to stuff. I would enthusiasm level. That's 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.800 where I like to be average. Like any higher than that, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.120 I might get too fired up and say something I 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:52.839 don't mean. Guy pulls in the parking lot and I'm 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.880 expecting him to change the tire. Sure I just use 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.600 your parking lot to get back on tracks, right, yeah, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:02.440 brand new super through out back, gets out of the car, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.079 comes into the fly shop. I'm like, maybe he needs assistance. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.240 He comes in, standard question, what are they hitting on? 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.720 He went right to that. No, no, no mention of 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.800 the tell, acknowledgement of the tire. Okay, And I'm like, okay, well, 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.600 peasant tale nim for work. Great size eighteen to twenty 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:26.839 sulfurs around small olives eighteen to twenty covers it. Okay, great, 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.559 He goes over and grabs the flies, comes back pace 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.680 for him, goes out to the car. So I run 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.680 outside to do the right thing. You're gonna let him know. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.960 I'm gonna let him know. So I run outside. I'm like, hey, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.280 you got a flat tire. He says, oh I do? 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.200 He said, yeah, you do, driver's side left. He gets out, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.960 so oh yeah. They say, well you got a spare 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.040 and he's like, yeah, I think so. So I grow 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.479 around in the back and I opened up his hatchback 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.680 and it's filled with camping gear. Okay, And I said, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.679 you got a bunch of camping gear down here. He say, 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.920 oh yeah. I took the tire out so I could 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.440 fit more stuff in the car. So I say, okay, cool, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:07.760 you've got enough stuff in here to drive down to 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:14.360 Tara del fuegoing back. In the meantime, you need to 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.440 get a spare tire. I know a place over in 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.520 Hancock they can take care of this for you. He said, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.560 well how about this. Do you have a spare that 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:29.400 I can borrow? I say, well, that's my board ranger 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:33.000 over there. And as you can see, the tires are 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.200 a different side for starters number two. My spirits rusted 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.600 on the frame and it's not coming off. So he says, okay, 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.840 well how about this. I'm gonna go fish for a 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.800 little bit, do you I'll give you the money. Do 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.560 you mind driving over and grabbing the tire for me? 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.400 I said, I'm sorry, I can't do that. I gotta 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.360 watch the shop. So he says okay, so he just go. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.880 He goes fishing, and I was hoping at this point 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.920 that I could just wipe my hands clean of this 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.360 situation altimate. It didn't happen that way. So it comes 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.520 back an hour later and he says, hey, what was 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.600 the name of the tire place? I said, that's uh, 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.960 what's being auto? Um? I can give you the number 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:14.600 if you need it, and he said, no, that's all right, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:20.080 I'll just drive over there. I was like, okay, you're 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.120 gonna bend the rim out. You know, it's gonna cost 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.520 you a little bit more. He's like, oh, that's all right. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.480 I'm gonna stop at one one bridge and fish a 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.800 little bit on the way, so I'll take a break. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:34.160 So I see the car he's exiting the shop parking lot, 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:42.280 car stops, goes into park, gets out, comes back in 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:52.640 and say, hey, can I borrow your truck? So I said, um, 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.640 I don't feel comfortable letting you drive my truck. What 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.000 I can do as I can call them and I 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.600 can have a tow truck come over. And he's like, well, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.280 if the truck truck comes over, then I gotta wait 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.000 for it. I was hoping that I could just borrow 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.400 your truck. I'll go fish bridge for a little bit. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.880 This is not real, I swear to got real. I 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.520 mean this is this is a true story. Keep going. 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.080 So he's like, well, I was hoping I could borrow 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.320 your truck and I could fish one ninety one bridge 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:26.800 for a little bit and then I'll go grab the 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.720 tire and I'll come back and then we can fix it. 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.120 And in my head at this point, I'm like, there's 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:40.880 no longer a Wei. You've drained the tank of WE, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:49.160 You've dredged the bottom of WE. There is only I 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.600 And I will call my friend and he will come 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.440 get your car and change the tire for you, and 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.560 you can can into your day of fishing. And is that? 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.120 And is that? Is that? What happened? To the best 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.800 of my recollection, that's just my story. I'm gonna stick 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.919 to it. So once again, like this is why I 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.840 love you, dude, because like there it's it's I have 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.560 I have compared you to Stephen Wright on past shows, 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.040 and like they're like, there's no punchline. This is just 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.400 to real life. Like this is just real life. Well, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.760 when you work in a fly shop, number one, people 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:35.000 are indoors, right, so they react similar to the way 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:39.120 they work if they came to your house. There's they 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.719 have a certain level of etiquette to them, and you 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.800 have to too in responding to that. So it's kind 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.760 of subdued in a way. Sure, like where if this 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.399 was happening in a truck stop in middle of nowhere, 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.840 there'd probably be words exchanged and you'd be like, you're 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.880 out of your mind, what are you even doing here? 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.720 You could die? But because it's a fly shop, you know, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.960 you're like, okay, Well, number one on Michael is that 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.399 you catch fish. So I'm gonna sit here and let 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.639 you basically choke me and throw me on the ground 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.600 and take my truck as long as you get to 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:14.280 catch fish. And I appreciate the subtle response that most 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.600 people don't understand is sarcasm because I saw it firsthand today. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.600 We were floating down the river today and we floated 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.919 past a gentleman who was waiting, and he asked us 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.080 if we caught anything, and we said no, And then 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.720 you asked him and he said, well, I just got started. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.880 And your response was perfect, Like who says like that? 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.080 It was so brilliant. It was one word perfect. And 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.720 that's why we love you, and that's why we're gonna 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.800 keep having you on and we appreciate you being here 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:52.160 yet again anytime. Oh Pat, Mrs Calling, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.920 I don't I'm not hating on what he does, but 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.960 I'm sure he's a great store manager at all. Uh yeah, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.840 the dude should be doing stand up somewhere. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.680 you know he should. He absolutely should. There's great stuff 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:08.399 about how he prepares his coffee that had me rolling, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.879 But like the segment was already getting along and I'm like, 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.520 we have to lose the Pats coffee preparation regiment, Like 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.840 we just don't have the room. Um. I also learned 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.560 that when recording with Pad, it's best to get four 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:21.919 or five beers in him first, so I'll know that 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.160 for next time. UM, I'm just glad dude's not trying 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.399 to create a semi serious, semi humorous fishing podcast or 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.560 we might be looking for any jobs. So don't get 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.840 any ideas. Uh, you know, I hear you, but I don't. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.680 I don't know that he has the instincts to track 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:41.000 down the hard hitting, groundbreaking, life changing stories that we 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:49.600 come up with in fish News Fish News. That escalated quickly, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.240 So Miles and I did a thing. And full credit 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.040 goes to Miles, full credit goes to you, because this 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:59.560 is absolutely your idea. Um. But but we now have 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:04.919 a public bent podcast Spotify playlist, and I gotta te 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.840 I gotta say, this was so fun to put together. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.040 And I think both of us like we got lost 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.919 in it. And I realized, if you're creating this like 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.639 lost enough to annoy both of our wives. Yeah, my 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:20.720 wife's like, are you even listening to me? I'm like, no, 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.479 I'm not listening to you. I think I like, like, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.639 nothing paints a picture of who you are and like 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.119 what you're about better than a huge Spotify playlist. Um, 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:34.640 and man, we're all over the map with this one. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.520 And it's it's bear in mind, it's only me and 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.720 Miles contributing to this, so it's it's just this perfect 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:43.320 reflection and combination of our taste and we share a 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.840 lot of them. But then we also wander away from 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.520 each other at times within the playlist, which makes it. Yeah, 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.479 that rounds it out, It gives it some depth. It 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.280 was if we were all picking the same songs that 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.320 will be boring and the original. Originally, when I first 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.560 came up with this idea, it was like, oh, let's 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.840 make it a bent play list, so it was gonna 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.520 be all punk. But then then Joe, you made you 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.439 made a very strong case that we should use this 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.240 as as a broader dumping ground for all of our 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:16.240 eclectic musical tastes. So I decided, all right, I'll broaden 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:19.760 it out. Besides just the punk and sky, I threw 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:21.800 and sprinkled in some reggae because I know that's not 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.359 something you've really gotten into. And then and then I 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:26.159 threw in some hip hop to round things out a 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:30.879 little bit. Though we have agreed to veto terms that 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.320 this is important to me anyway, either one of us 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.920 can veto any song at any time, and I am. 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.480 I was listening to it yesterday on repeating this one 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.919 song came up. So I'm saying, I'm considering flexing that 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.560 option on some of your eighties pop additions, but for 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:48.720 the moment I have allowed. I'm allowing them to stand 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:50.280 if they annoyed me too much, though some of them 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.080 might go away. Just that's okay, it's your call. I'd 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.320 never do that to you. I'd never studied your musical 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.040 taste and creativity. But yeah, I stuck some things in 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:00.960 there because I want you guys to listen and be 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.199 grooving and then just be like, where did this? What? 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:07.560 Why is this here? That's the fun okay, Um, But look, 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.440 if I'm being honest, right, there's truly there's nothing you've 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.400 added that I questioned, like I like it all, even 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.840 the Yeah, dude, I got no problem with reggae. I'm 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.440 I'm planning on finding some new music, because then isn't 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.239 there a study that like, once you hit thirty, you 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.879 stop finding new music, like you just stuck with what 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:27.640 your listen. So I see this. I see your picks 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.800 as an opportunity for me to find new things that 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.000 I like. But I, on the other hand, like I 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:35.360 went all in. I combed the archive okay, And there 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.080