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Speaker 1: aired on March twenty sixth, twenty nineteen. Enjoy. Late night

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Speaker 1: talk shows are dominated by left wing comics. Do you

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Speaker 3: Pretty much every late night talk show host is a liberal,

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Speaker 1: Well, Jimmy Kimmel used to date Sarah Silverman, so he

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Speaker 1: But why why are all mainstream comedians liberals? I'm Patrick Carelchi.

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Speaker 1: And this is Red Pilled America a storytelling show. This

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Speaker 1: Red Pilled America. So why are all mainstream comedians liberals?

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Speaker 1: For many years I knew the answer. Hollywood is liberal

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Speaker 1: was my default reply. But that's not the whole truth.

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Speaker 1: To find the answer, We're going to follow the story

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Speaker 1: of one of the funniest guys on the planet. In

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Speaker 1: by the left. Ah, so you wake up and you

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Speaker 1: start thumbing through Facebook. Someone shared a CBS News report

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Speaker 1: the name Gavin McGinnis is in the headline. You've been

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Speaker 1: He's founder of a far right group known as the

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Speaker 1: The Southern Poverty Law Center claims Gavin's Proud Boys hate

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Speaker 1: group planned violent appearances at political rallies using Facebook. M well,

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Speaker 5: To begin with explain who the Proud Boys are and

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Speaker 3: So, the Proud Boys are a self described Western chauvinist

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Speaker 1: To understand how Gavin McGinnis has found himself in the

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Speaker 2: pond Roi perature region, in other words, Scottish.

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Speaker 6: The Scots are very brutal, They're very in your face.

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Speaker 6: They're heavy drunks because genetically they were under siege for

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Speaker 6: He's got a boxer's nose from brawling, and I think

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Speaker 2: Gavin's dad followed in the tradition of his culture there.

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Speaker 6: My dad's a big drunk and I think that caused

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Speaker 7: But he's also a genius. He got a scholarship to

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Speaker 2: He came out with a degree in physics, and at

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Speaker 6: So he got a great job in England, moved my

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Speaker 7: And we had a Bucolic childhood down there.

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Speaker 6: It was in hitch and Cheddington, which is far from

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Speaker 6: my working class parents were now making pretty good money

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Speaker 6: So they just said to the world, anyone who can

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Speaker 6: Will give you scott We'll give you a home citizenship,

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Speaker 2: Gavin's dad found work at engineering subcontracting for Canada's southern neighbor.

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Speaker 6: Back then, a lot of the engineering stuff was for

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Speaker 6: We would make jumps where I would be in the

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Speaker 6: What do they call that the Mendela effect? But I swear,

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Speaker 1: Gavin McGuinness had done every odd job imaginable. He had dreads.

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Speaker 1: He was a cartoonist in Montreal. He also started a

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Speaker 6: This is when I had this epiphany on my roof

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Speaker 6: I said that to Eric, and he's just like smoking

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Speaker 1: And then like magic, A friend of Gavin's told him

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was a government scam and we couldn't grow.

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Speaker 6: They didn't want us to grow. We were a Golden

439
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Speaker 6: goose for them, and they were probably taking ninety percent

440
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Speaker 6: of the money, and I said, let's just leave.

441
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Speaker 7: So we left them. They said they're going to sue us, so.

442
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Speaker 1: To avoid a legal battle, they paid the Haitians around

443
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Speaker 1: thirty grand and changed the name of the magazine from

444
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Speaker 1: Voice to Vice.

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Speaker 7: People wanted to know why we changed the name.

446
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 6: Instead of saying we didn't want to get sued by

447
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 6: our old bosses, we lied.

448
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 7: I lied, and I said the Village Voice threatened to

449
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 7: sue us.

450
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Speaker 6: That blew up because American Canadians love stories like that,

451
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 6: American bullies.

452
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Speaker 1: So now the guys were on their own. They were

453
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Speaker 1: starting fresh, and the three became partners in this new

454
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Speaker 1: venture called Vice Magazine. Sarouche handled all the music, Shane

455
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: handled all the sales, and Gavin handled the entire editorial

456
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Speaker 1: content and graphic design. Weiss started off as a music

457
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Speaker 1: and culture magazine, but it would become something completely fresh

458
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Speaker 1: and publishing. It covered counterculture with an anti journalism flare.

459
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: Gavin mocked the traditional writing style that was ubiquitous in

460
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Speaker 1: other culture magazines, showing Gavin's roots. Wess had a punk

461
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Speaker 1: sensibility with a Scottish sense of humor. It was crude,

462
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: even shocking, and always sarcastic. If they were writing about

463
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Speaker 1: drug addicts and prostitutes, it felt like the articles were

464
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: written by drug addicts and prostitutes, people that were right

465
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Speaker 1: there in the mix of it all. It appeared like they

466
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Speaker 1: were hanging out with the dregs of society because they were.

467
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Speaker 1: There was nothing like it on the market, but this

468
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: debauched approach to editorial still had to make money.

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Speaker 6: Shane said, we need fashion ads, and I go, I

470
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 6: look at fashion shoots and I want to slit my wrists.

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Speaker 7: They're so full of shit.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you look pick up any magazine today and

473
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 6: look at the fashion What the fuck are they doing?

474
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Speaker 6: Why is she upside down? Why does she have a

475
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Speaker 6: toaster on her foot?

476
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Speaker 7: You know?

477
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Speaker 6: And I said, I don't want to do fashion shoots

478
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Speaker 6: like that, and he said, well, you got to figure

479
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 6: something out, because without fashion we don't have a magazine.

480
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 6: So I said, okay, let's do a page of dues

481
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Speaker 6: and it'll be the client's closed, and then a page

482
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Speaker 6: of don'ts, and will dress people up.

483
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Speaker 7: In ridiculous outfits.

484
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Speaker 6: And then I started taking pictures of people on the

485
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Speaker 6: street and then we would do fashion shoots, but they

486
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Speaker 6: had to have some sort of editorial bent, so it

487
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 6: would be like, uh, the children have single dads in

488
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 6: the hood, and then we dressed them up in our

489
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 6: client's close, but there be editorial merit to the photoshooter.

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Speaker 1: I was introduced to Wes around nineteen ninety seven. I

491
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Speaker 1: created a fashion event that would later be credited with

492
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Speaker 1: starting a trend called pop up retail. That event was

493
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Speaker 1: so hot, I was hired to create and produce a

494
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Speaker 1: subculture trade show for what was then the largest fashion

495
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Speaker 1: trade show in North America called Magic International. Every youth

496
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: culture magazine in the English speaking world had to be there,

497
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Speaker 1: so I can say with some authority that wece stood

498
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: out head and shoulders above that crowd. It covered every

499
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Speaker 1: substantial youth subculture movement under the sun in a way

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Speaker 1: absolutely no one else did. That was all Gavin, and

501
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: I should note there wasn't even a remote hint of

502
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: bias against any particular race or ethnicity. They celebrated and

503
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: insulted everyone with equal measure. No topic was off limits,

504
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: and there was no sacred cows. Vice garnered a fiercely

505
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: loyal following because of it.

506
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Speaker 6: And we were doing great there from from ninety six

507
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Speaker 6: to ninety nine.

508
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: But there came a point where the guys needed money

509
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: to grow it.

510
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 6: And then Shane convinced this guy, Richard Sowinsky, this local

511
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 6: multimillionaire who made a lot of money on Jurassic Park

512
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 6: special effects. He bought twenty five percent of us for

513
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 6: quarter mil and so we each had like eighty five grand.

514
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 7: We'd never had money before at all.

515
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Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety nine the three took their newly

516
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: fat wallets and moved from Canada to New York. The

517
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: company was growing. Their investor was pumping serious money into

518
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: the business and coaxing them to spend it, sometimes foolishly.

519
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: This was the dot com boom, and Vice was benefiting

520
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: from it. They had a record label, They opened retail

521
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,479
Speaker 1: stores where they sold gear by the youth brands featured

522
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: in the magazine for the first time, Gavin had a

523
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: budget to work with, almost too much budget. Gavin felt

524
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: something was off.

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Speaker 6: And we were living high on the hog from ninety

526
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Speaker 6: nine till about two thousand and one, and then we

527
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Speaker 6: learned he has no money.

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Speaker 1: When the dot com bubble burns, first, their investor had

529
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Speaker 1: to cease all funding of the magazine almost overnight. The

530
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: company took a big hit, and Shane and Sarrouche focused

531
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Speaker 1: on pulling the company out of debt. They got the

532
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: business back from the Canadian investor by offering pennies on

533
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Speaker 1: the dollar to regain full ownership. And while Shane and

534
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Sarrouche focused on getting the business out of the red,

535
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Gavin focused on producing the magazine.

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Speaker 6: Now it's two thousand and three and we're in the

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Speaker 6: Triple Fi Soul Loft in Williamsburg. Williamsburg was a dangerous

538
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 6: shithole at the time. It's hard to believe, but back

539
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 6: then it was just junkies and Puerto Rican kids running

540
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 6: around without a dad and with a golf club in

541
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Speaker 6: their hand, ready.

542
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 7: To knock out people.

543
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 6: They were playing the knockout game with a golf club

544
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 6: instead of a fist, and crabs wouldn't go there from Manhattan.

545
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 7: It was a pain in the ass.

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Speaker 1: While in Williamsburg, Gavin was at the center of defining

547
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Speaker 1: the youth culture movement that would dominate the next decade.

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Speaker 6: And I think when we moved to Williamsburg, I was

549
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 6: essentially the dos and don'ts were essentially saying rules every day.

550
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 6: There was one do and one don't every single day.

551
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 6: So the thing about the dos and don'ts every single

552
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 6: day was I was inadvertently creating a rule book.

553
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 7: And that's what subcultures are.

554
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 6: Punk mods, skinheads, boot boys, skaters, metal heads, goth. There's

555
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 6: a series of rules with goth. You have to wear black,

556
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 6: you have to be morbid, you're supposed to be sullen,

557
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 6: you make your face white, you listen to these bands.

558
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 7: You know, you can't wear orange rubber boots. That's not gos.

559
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 6: So I was indvertently creating the parameters of a subculture,

560
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 6: and eventually, from around two thousand up two thousand, two

561
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 6: thousand and five, we had created this look.

562
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Speaker 1: That look was the hipster Gavin would come to be

563
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: known as the godfather of hipsterdem.

564
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Speaker 7: And it was Williamsburg.

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Speaker 6: It was skateboards, it was stealing your music, it was

566
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Speaker 6: secondhand clothes, a lot of Montreal kind off. And we

567
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 6: were heavily influenced by the sort of this group of kids,

568
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 6: Ryan McGinley Dashed Snow. They call themselves Iraq because to

569
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 6: rak is to shoplift, and they're all stealing stuff, stealing clothes,

570
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 6: and stuff.

571
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Speaker 7: And they helped define it.

572
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 6: The skinny jeans and the mustache and the ironic T

573
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 6: shirt and the army coat and the air Jordan's and the.

574
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Speaker 7: Next thing you know, there was a subculture.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to overstate the impact of hipsters on American culture.

576
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: It defined the ever elusive term cool and marked the

577
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: new gentrification of urban neighborhoods, and Gavin McGuinness was at

578
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: the center of it all. This is truly one of

579
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: his gifts, one that he holds in rare abundance. Gavin

580
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: is good at identifying a growing movement that no one

581
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: else really sees, then creating a thing out of it,

582
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: and he does it all with comedic flare. Gavin's talent

583
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: was even recognized at the time by late night leftist

584
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel when he told The New York Times quote,

585
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: people throw the term politically incorrect around a lot, and

586
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: normally it's a lot of bluster, But Wes truly is

587
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: un PC. Their brand of humor is what I would

588
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: do if there were no standards and practices on TV.

589
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: But this gift, this ability to be in the center

590
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: of a movement and having fun while in the middle

591
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: of it. That gift would also turn into Gavin's personal

592
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: curse more after the break Welcome back to red Pilled America. So,

593
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Speaker 1: while Gavin was busy defining the youth culture movement of

594
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: the decade, the hipsters, his partners were busy trying to

595
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: make the company profitable. Gavin was largely sheltered from this headache,

596
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and it may have been the beginning of a rift

597
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: between him and his partners. You see, Gavin's job as

598
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: the editor of the youth media company Vice meant his

599
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: punk ethos, his crude and sarcastic, youthful energy stuck around

600
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: with him longer than most people. It was his job

601
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: to know what was happening on the streets, so when

602
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: others were getting older and boring, Gavin kept his edge.

603
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: That became part of his d.

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Speaker 6: You know that my job was to go out and

605
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: see what people are doing. You know, I would go

606
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 6: out every night till four in the morning, and I'd

607
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 6: find a guy from Canal Plus who bought a dirty bomb,

608
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 6: and that would become an article in the paper about

609
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 6: this guy who was so close to terrorists he bought

610
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon. And maybe it's part of my personality.

611
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 6: I just like making a thing. I like making a gang,

612
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 6: making a group.

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Speaker 1: But on the flip side, his partner, Shane and Serous

614
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: were focused on growing the business. So Gavin's no limits,

615
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: no sacred cow's mentality, the same energy that made Vice

616
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: successful was on a collision course with his partner's desire

617
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: to expand.

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00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 6: You know, at our tenure anniversary, I was dressed as

619
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 6: a Nazi skinhead. I had hired midgets to do midget tossing,

620
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 6: and I was broadcasting Japanese puke porn on an Imax

621
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Speaker 6: screen that was about forty feet wide, and it was

622
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 6: also Japanese shit porn too, and people were throwing up

623
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Speaker 6: and fighting and it was chaos.

624
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Speaker 7: And I liked that. And that's my background.

625
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 6: And you know, eventually, when you're merging with HBO and

626
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 6: Viacom and all these different companies, it just becomes impossible.

627
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 6: That was part of my business plan. I want editorial

628
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 6: and advertising to be enemies. I want ad editoral to

629
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 6: make fun of sales guys when they walk in, and

630
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 6: I want editorial guys to feel very uncomfortable when they're

631
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 6: in the sales part of the office. But eventually, you know,

632
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 6: that conflict can't last forever, and it's gonna snap.

633
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: And snap it did. In two thousand and eight, Gavin Leftweiss.

634
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: The official statement at the time was that the partners

635
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: had creative differences. After he left, Gavin wrote a couple books,

636
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: including his autobiography, The Death of Cool. He went on

637
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: a stand up comedy tour to promote the book, and

638
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: that turned into a documentary called The Brotherhood of the

639
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Traveling Rants. He also took up acting, appearing in a

640
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: few movies, and spent some time in the Hollywood circuit.

641
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 6: I was also pitching TV and comedy shows and stuff,

642
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 6: and that was actually, although you've never heard of any

643
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 6: of them doing pretty well, like forty grand to put

644
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 6: together a pilot and they never made it to air.

645
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 6: But that was a good gig too.

646
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: And he started an advertising agency called Rooster that he

647
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: ended up selling to a larger advertising firm. But with

648
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: all these new creative ventures, it wouldn't be long before

649
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: the hipster beast that Gavin created would come back to

650
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: bite him in the ass. By twenty fourteen, the hipster

651
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: movement had taken a bad turn.

652
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 6: It sort of fell apart, It sort of split, became

653
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 6: like fake biker types on one end of the spectrum,

654
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: and then the other end these metro sexuals who were

655
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 6: genderless blobs. And now, I mean, the thing it's become

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Speaker 6: is just these really irritating, shrill social justice warriors that

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Speaker 6: want to get you fired and ruin your life if

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Speaker 6: you don't support all their crazy views one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And he learned that firsthand when they decided to take

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Speaker 1: down their godfather. Gavin penned an op ed entitled transphobia

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Speaker 1: is perfectly natural for a popular hipster website.

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Speaker 6: And then I said, trans people are not women, you're

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Speaker 6: mentally ill Gaze.

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Speaker 7: And that didn't go downgrade.

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Speaker 6: This is the beginning of the real mob twitter shit.

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Speaker 6: And they just bombarded all our clients and and and

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Speaker 6: us in the office. And so my co co worker said,

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Speaker 6: can we just say you're on leave or something? And

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Speaker 6: I said, whatever works. And it didn't work, and Havas

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Speaker 6: fired us all shut down the agency.

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Speaker 1: And it didn't stop there.

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Speaker 6: But after the tranny thing, the creative community kind of

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Speaker 6: cut me out and I was personing on grata in

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Speaker 6: all of California.

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Speaker 1: His Hollywood manager, Jimmy Miller, the brother of the famed

676
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Speaker 1: comedian Dennis Miller was one of the biggest managers in Tinseltown.

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Speaker 1: He managed Will Farrell and Jim Carrey.

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Speaker 6: He didn't know I was conservative, and Jimmy goes, how

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Speaker 6: did I not know? You're the most conservative person on earth?

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Speaker 6: I said, I'm not, and I don't know. Yeah, he

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Speaker 6: dt me. So anyway, I was, you know, more and

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Speaker 6: more awesome. Can't do criticize like people go, why don't

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Speaker 6: you do humor anymore? I go, because humor fired me.

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Speaker 1: This was all probably a sign to Gavin that his

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Speaker 1: no limits punk ethos was no longer welcome in hipsterdom.

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Speaker 1: But being quiet is not how he rolls. Gavin had

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Speaker 1: already become a contributor to Fox News, but he added

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Speaker 1: to that by turning to the web. In mid twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: he began producing talk shows for both Canadian conservative outfit

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00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: Rebel Media and radio legend Anthony Comilla's new streaming network.

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Speaker 1: He called his show with Camia the Gavin McGuinness Show,

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Speaker 1: and it launched the day before Donald Trump announced his

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Speaker 1: campaign for the presidency. The timing couldn't have been more perfect.

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Speaker 1: Gavin would become one of Donald Trump's earliest and most

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Speaker 1: colorful supporters like throughout his entire life, watching the rise

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Speaker 1: of Trump, Gavin must have instinctively felt a shift in

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Speaker 1: the zyageist the rise of transgenderism, the hipster de evolution,

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Speaker 1: the Twitter mobs, the war against Western values, the feminization

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Speaker 1: of men. All of this, this rise of the social

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Speaker 1: justice warriors was bound to get spark to a counter movement.

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Speaker 1: Gavin's entire life was building up to this moment in culture.

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Speaker 1: The Western values he held in such high regard were

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: now under siege. His satirical sensibilities, the mail camaraderie of

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Speaker 1: his youth, the desire to treat all races equally, the

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Speaker 1: value of family, the natural roles of men and women,

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Speaker 1: his no sacred cow's approach to public discourse, his entire

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Speaker 1: punk ethos was now under attack by the very hipster

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Speaker 1: movement he curated into existence. In response, his natural group

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Speaker 1: forming ability kicked in, and that gave rise to a

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Speaker 1: fraternal club he called the Proud Boys. Here's Gavin explaining it.

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Speaker 6: In eighteen forty, when Alexis to Tolkville came here, he said,

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Speaker 6: America is a nation of clubs. He was coming from

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Speaker 6: a nation of homos called France.

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Speaker 9: But outside of that weak province.

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Speaker 6: The West was a nation of clubs, the Knights of Columbus,

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Speaker 6: the No Nothings, the Shriners. We always had these clubs,

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Speaker 6: and Gloria Steinem decreed them sexist in the eighties and

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Speaker 6: that was the end of clubs.

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Speaker 9: So I thought, why don't we bring this back. Why

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Speaker 9: don't have a men's club, No parameters, just dudes.

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Speaker 6: You have to be born male, by the way, and

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Speaker 6: believe it or not, that has actually come up.

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Speaker 9: I've had bull dykes come and go, can I be

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Speaker 9: part of this? Sorry?

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Speaker 7: No, why not?

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Speaker 9: We're never going to use this.

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Speaker 6: I go, yeah, just go to the Proud Boys, girls,

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Speaker 6: and you'll be the most masculine one there as opposed

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Speaker 6: to the most feminine man that we have in our club. Anyway,

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Speaker 6: I gave away the name, but I started a men's

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Speaker 6: club called the Proud Boys, and we have one caveat, and.

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Speaker 9: That is you have to be a Western chauvinist.

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Speaker 6: Now, Libbels are lazy, so they hear the word chauvinus

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Speaker 6: and they assume male chauvenus. And that's why I use

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Speaker 6: that word, because they're too lazy to look it up.

736
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Speaker 6: And it just means a nationalist, a patriot, and you

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Speaker 6: have to think the West is the best. And it exploded.

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Speaker 6: There's thousands of members all over the world. There's Proud

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Speaker 6: Boys Africa, There's Proud Boys Japan. We've got about five

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Speaker 6: different divisions in Australia. And I just made it up,

741
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Speaker 6: like the we're called Proud Boys because I went to

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Speaker 6: one of my kids music recitals and some ponts got

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Speaker 6: up there and while everyone's playing a piano in the

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Speaker 6: violin and doing stuff they tried, he gets up and

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Speaker 6: he goes.

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Speaker 9: Proud of you, a boy, Make you proud of you boy.

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Speaker 6: It's some song from Aladdin. And I was looking around

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Speaker 6: for the dad. I thought, there's no way this dad

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Speaker 6: is proud of his boy.

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Speaker 9: And of course he was the child of a single mom. Duh.

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Speaker 9: His mother told him, yes, sing a song.

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Speaker 6: That's a talent, and there was no dad to say no,

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Speaker 6: you're not play the piano, for Christ's sakes. So we

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 6: made up these rules. There's just like the Knights of Columbus.

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Speaker 6: There's first degree, second degree, third degree. What's the second

756
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Speaker 6: degree gave? And I went, you have to get beaten

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Speaker 6: up by five men for.

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Speaker 7: How long.

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Speaker 6: Until you can name five breakfast cereals done. Third degree?

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Speaker 6: What's the third degree gave? You have to quit porn

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00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 6: and get a tattoo done. It's massive, I was saying

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Speaker 6: too and Culter the other day. I'd love to have

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Speaker 6: you come and do a talk at when of our meetups.

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Speaker 7: But you're a woman.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how to do that. Maybe you could

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Speaker 6: wear a burka or something. You could do a video.

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Speaker 6: And she goes, I don't want to come to your club.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to ruin that, she goes. My father

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Speaker 6: was in these kind of clubs and one day they

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Speaker 6: just disappeared.

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Speaker 9: And what did men do?

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Speaker 6: They were told it was sexist to congregate, so they

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Speaker 6: went to strip clubs.

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Speaker 1: Although they had their first in person meeting in July

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Gavin didn't introduce the Proud Boys to the

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Speaker 1: public until September fifteenth, twenty sixteen, the height of the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election. The group was a political however, its

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Speaker 1: tenants of Western chauvinism meant it was to facto in

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Speaker 1: the Trump camp. If Trump got any traction, the Proud

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Speaker 1: Boys would become a political target of the left. That

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Speaker 1: traction would arrive November eighth, twenty sixteen, Gavin and the

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Speaker 1: Proud Boys met in New York City for election night.

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Speaker 6: I'm a Western chauvinist.

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Speaker 10: As for creating the model wall, what.

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Speaker 6: Are we fucking woman?

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Speaker 10: And there's the big board the twenty electoral votes from

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Speaker 10: the state of Pennsylvania. We just got new metrics in

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Speaker 10: Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States elect.

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Speaker 1: But, as Gavin and the Proud Boys would soon learn,

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Speaker 1: they were about to become a target for unpersoning by

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Speaker 1: the radical left. More after the break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this story. So, in the eyes of

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00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: our elites, the inexplicable happened. Trump won the election and

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Speaker 1: Gavin and the Proud Boys could not have been prouder

809
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: of their boy, But they were about to learn that

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00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: they had just become an enormous target. The attacks started

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Speaker 1: in Earnest at a Trump inauguration party called the DeploraBall Antifa,

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Speaker 1: a violent leftist extremist group, threatened to attack the event.

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Speaker 1: Gavin anticipated trouble that night, but didn't want that to

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Speaker 1: affect their right to peaceable assembly.

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Speaker 6: And these guys, what's amazing about them is they're not scared,

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00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 6: like they're picking a fight with us, and they assume

817
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Speaker 6: that we're going to be the same beta male cocks.

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00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 7: That they are and shy away. I'm happy to fight

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Speaker 7: any of them.

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Speaker 6: And even when these bikers I can't remember how many

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Speaker 6: it was, was it twenty or twenty.

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Speaker 7: Thousand, Yeah, I don't know. These bikers that say they're

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Speaker 7: going to form a wall of meat. I think that's

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Speaker 7: a colorful phrase.

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Speaker 1: When he arrived, an Antifa member attempted targeting Gavin for attack,

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Speaker 1: but the punker and Gavin came out and he pushed

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Speaker 1: the guy to show he wouldn't be intimidated. Gavin spoke

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Speaker 1: about the incident at the time.

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Speaker 6: There's this assumption that if you antagonize people, they're just

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Speaker 6: going to take it, and I think those days are

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Speaker 6: done now. It's post Obama, and if you show up

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Speaker 6: to an event where we're just trying to hang out

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Speaker 6: together and have a nice time, we're not gonna let

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Speaker 6: you fuck for those.

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Speaker 1: A few days later, social commentator Milo Uanapolis was scheduled

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Speaker 1: to speak at UC Berkeley. Antipha rioted at the location

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Speaker 1: and the event was swiftly canceled.

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Speaker 11: Overnight, mayhem on campus the University of California.

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Speaker 3: Berkeley erupting in flames as over one thousand came out

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Speaker 3: to protests and appearance by the self described right wing

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Speaker 3: internet troll Milo Yanopoulos.

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Speaker 12: And we will not tolerate racism or sex with them.

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Speaker 4: Or hay crimes and violence.

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Speaker 13: He's a fascist and Berkeley did not welcome him, but.

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Speaker 1: A few proud Boys trying to attend Milo's speech got

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Speaker 1: outnumbered and beaten by the violent Antipha rioters. Gavin was

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Speaker 1: scheduled to speak at NYU the next day. With Milo's

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Speaker 1: event now less than a day old, Gavin no doubt

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Speaker 1: knew there may be trouble, so a few proud Boys

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Speaker 1: escorted him to NYU's campus. But right when Gavin arrived,

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Speaker 1: Antifa converged on him. Up one antiphone member, Pepper, sprayed

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Speaker 1: Gavin in the face. The godfather of hipsterdom barely made

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Speaker 1: it onto campus. In his opening remarks, he reflected on

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Speaker 1: the attack.

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Speaker 6: And then the other fun game is play it truth Like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I'm nuts. You got a paper.

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Speaker 4: Spray, right, I'm going And by the way, I've never

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Speaker 4: paper spray before.

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Speaker 6: That is al drive whoa.

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Speaker 1: But just a few minutes into his speech, protesters interrupted

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Speaker 1: and wouldn't let him continue.

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Speaker 7: Did they not go a?

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Speaker 1: Gavin had to cut it short and exited the campus

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Speaker 1: to a rabid mob. One woman who claimed she was

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Speaker 1: a professor was going absolutely mental over Gavin's mere presence.

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Speaker 1: It was a sight to behold. Antifa's mission became clear,

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Speaker 1: shut down any in all events associated with Gavin and

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Speaker 1: prominent Trump supporters. An Antifa ally made that very point

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Speaker 1: outside Gavin's NYU appearance.

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Speaker 6: What are you hoping that people here gathered today will

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Speaker 6: think about the whole send a message or yes, I think.

872
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 12: That people like mcinni's book, Richard Spencer, people like Sam

873
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 12: Hige be afraid be of public people.

874
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Gavin was clearly aware of what was happening.

875
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 13: Did you expect on the heels of what happened to

876
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 13: Milo that something might be happening because of what happened

877
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 13: at UC Berkeley.

878
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 7: Oh, we were told.

879
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 6: We were told that they were going to attack, as

880
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 6: they had made Facebook pages and Twitter and New York

881
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 6: Antifa was coming to disrupt. They made it very clear

882
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 6: that they were going to kick my ass. I didn't

883
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 6: know they were going to be using bear mace.

884
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 7: That was a surprise.

885
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: But NYU had a back door we could have got in,

886
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 6: and I said, no, I'm not going in the back door.

887
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 7: I'm not ashamed.

888
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 6: We started getting attacked, like I got attacked at NYU

889
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 6: when I was doing a talk. I mean I had

890
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 6: to fight Antifa, not like for fun, but to get

891
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 6: in and out of the venue.

892
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: Gavin was called a Nazi by the Antifak protesters. When

893
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: he got home, he hugged one of his Native American kids.

894
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: The pepper spray still in his clothes made his child

895
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: break out in hives. Here's Gavin, a man that grew

896
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: up in the punk scene, that hustled to make it

897
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: in life, a man that lived to participate in cultural movements,

898
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: a staunch free speech advocate, a man that had fighting

899
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: back in his blood, was being threatened with violence if

900
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: he even came out in the public. This was not

901
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: a situation that Gavin or his paternal club was going

902
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: to back down from.

903
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 6: They were mobbing us. So we started being more than

904
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 6: just a drinking club. And now it was let's provide

905
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 6: security for people like Lauren Southern and you know, Ben Shapiro,

906
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 6: Alan Dershowitz and make sure these Antifa pussies can't prevent them.

907
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 6: And so we started doing sort of like Guardian Angels

908
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 6: volunteer security.

909
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 1: In mid April two thousand seven teen, the Proud Boys

910
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: went to a Patriot rally at Berkeley to protect the participants.

911
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: Antifa attacked the pro Trump attendees and even threw m

912
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: eighties into the crowd. An ANTIPHA member involved in the

913
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: melee was asked by a reporter if she condoned the

914
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: throwing of these explosives into the crowd.

915
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 13: I asked her whether or not she would condemn the

916
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 13: throng of fireworks some explosives into the crowds, and she

917
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 13: responded first with the revolution. The revolution isn't effing easy,

918
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 13: and I think it's situational.

919
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 14: I'm wondering if you are.

920
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 6: I don't.

921
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 7: Don't you know, I don't.

922
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 14: I know you don't speak for the entire group, But

923
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 14: do you condemn the throwing of you know, fireworks.

924
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 11: Scattered isn't easy.

925
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 15: I mean I got me in the face scraming they

926
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 15: and sometimes against.

927
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 14: I'm just wondering if you think throwing a medes into

928
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 14: a crowd of people is justifiable.

929
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 6: The situation.

930
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: A few weeks later, an culter was scheduled to give

931
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: a speech at UC Berkeley anti for threatened violence, and

932
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: the school responded by telling Anne she'd be liable for

933
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: any damage caused by the event, so Anne canceled. Gavin

934
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: wasn't going to let this mob terminate free speech, so

935
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: he took one for the team.

936
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: So Anne is out.

937
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 6: I have tried to convince her to go.

938
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 7: But you know what Anne is.

939
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 16: She's older than me, she's an accomplished Best New York

940
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 16: Times bestselling author. It's not really her job to get

941
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 16: into brawls. She's our Christopher Hitchins. Why does she need

942
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 16: to risk her life? So I didn't intend to do this,

943
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 16: but I'm going to hop on a plane right now

944
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 16: and go down there, and I'm going to do her speech.

945
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 16: I'm also going to try to get other speakers to

946
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 16: go in there. I don't care if we have to

947
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 16: use a bullhorn and we're screaming from some random hills

948
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 16: side in the middle of Berkeley. I think our security,

949
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 16: our army will be a bigger audience than most of

950
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 16: these liberals get when they do talks. So you fucked

951
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 16: up once again. You have created this mythical universe of

952
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 16: Nazis on every corner, and you've tried to shut it

953
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 16: down based on that line. Well, we're not allowing that

954
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 16: to happen.

955
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 6: The show must go on.

956
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Gavin showed up to Berkeley surrounded by Hispanic, black and

957
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: white Proud Boys as his security, and Red Ann's speech

958
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: to the crowd.

959
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 6: Uh Ann was banned because she's a Nazi because she's

960
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 6: a racist, because she hates Mexicans, because she's a sexist.

961
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 6: That's the world we're in right now where Milow, a

962
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 6: gay immigrant, is banned for being homophobic and against gays.

963
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 6: So we're in a funny situation where the fascists are.

964
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 7: The anti fascists and.

965
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 6: They're shutting down women and gays and minorities and preventing

966
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 6: them from having their say. And the beauty of the

967
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 6: First Amendment and the beauty of America is it allows

968
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 6: for these mistakes.

969
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 9: It allows for these checks and balances.

970
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 6: And what happens is you have a debate, if someone

971
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 6: has a crazy view, you discuss it, you have.

972
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 7: A Q and A and it gets ironed out.

973
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 9: Where should these q and as happen?

974
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 6: Where should this discourse happen? How about a university that's

975
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 6: a the logical place for ideas to get hashed out.

976
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 9: We will continue.

977
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 6: To promote free speech, to speak freely no matter who

978
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 6: is against us, because that's what America is about.

979
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: What Gavin was doing was ballsy, it was patriotic. He

980
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: wasn't going to allow violent threats of Antifa to stop

981
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: the American right to peaceable assembly. And he wasn't even

982
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: an American citizen. He took a stand, and he did

983
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: it with his signature sense of humor. His approach was

984
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: attracting young men, and, as everyone knows, the young at

985
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: the backbone of the Democratic Party. Gavin's efforts had to

986
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: be stopped. Enter The Southern Poverty Law Center by its acronym,

987
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: the SPLC, is a once respected civil rights organization that

988
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: in its heyday took on and bankrupt the klu Klux Klan.

989
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: Today they create a hate map showing the location of

990
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: various organizations that they classify as hate groups, but its

991
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: critics now say that the SPLC has morphed into political

992
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: hit men by expanding the definition of hate to extract

993
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: larger and larger donations. In twenty ten, they classified the

994
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: Family Research Council as an anti gay hate group. In

995
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, a gunman walked into the Family Research Council

996
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: headquarters with the intent to kill its staff and smash

997
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Chick fil A sandwiches in the faces of each of

998
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: his victims. The building manager on site thwarted the gunman's

999
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: plan and was shot in the process. The shooter was

1000
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: caught in questioned by the FBI so how did.

1001
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 15: You do this building this organization?

1002
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 11: Did you?

1003
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 15: How did you find look up online?

1004
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 8: Or how.

1005
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 17: Sudden property law lists anti hate groups?

1006
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 7: Not by research was for the website and.

1007
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 4: Stuff like that.

1008
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: The SPLC's hate map puts its targets lives in danger.

1009
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: Their critics claim that they've found a way to monetize hate.

1010
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: Designating hate groups has been quite a lucrative business for

1011
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: the SPLC. Hollywood's Look on Valley and others have helped

1012
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: them amass a war chest in excess of half a

1013
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: billion dollars. Poverty is nowhere to be found in the

1014
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: Southern Poverty Law Center, and no matter how much money

1015
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: the organization raises to fight hate, according to their statistics,

1016
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: hate strangely continues to rise, which makes sense. If you

1017
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: make money finding hate, you'll come up with ways to

1018
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: find or create more of it. Despite all of this,

1019
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: the SPLC is still considered by many within the mainstream

1020
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: media to be the official classifier of hate groups. Gavin

1021
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: and the Proud Boys were victims of Antifa attacks that

1022
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: didn't appear to matter to the SBLC. They began using

1023
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: their reputation and massive war chest to create a narrative

1024
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: that the godfather of hipsterdom, was now using his skills

1025
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: to create a neo Nazi movement. Gavin was forced to

1026
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: push back.

1027
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 6: Why we don't allow Nazis in the Proud Boys. Before

1028
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 6: we get started, though, I would like to make it

1029
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 6: clear that Nazis don't exist. All those hate crimes you

1030
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 6: see are hoaxes. They're all fake because everyone wants her

1031
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 6: to be a Nazi. They took that in university and

1032
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,479
Speaker 6: it's their entire job, and the fact that there aren't

1033
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 6: any is causing a real supply and demand problem.

1034
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: When a free speech event called Unite the Right was

1035
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: scheduled in Charlottesville, Virginia to protest the proposed takedown of

1036
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: a Democrat Confederate monument, Gavin since the event was a trap,

1037
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: so he disavowed the rally months before it was scheduled

1038
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: and encouraged Proud Boys not to attend. It was a

1039
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 1: smart decision.

1040
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 17: One person is dead and nineteen injured after a speeding

1041
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 17: vehicle drove into a group of protesters marching peacefully through

1042
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 17: downtown Charlottesville. Your impression that this was deliberate or did

1043
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 17: the person save the.

1044
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 18: Absolutely no way.

1045
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 5: He was going so fast it flew people like ten

1046
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 5: feet and nailed those two cars forward.

1047
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 17: This comes after a day of clashes between alt right

1048
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 17: protesters and counter demonstrators earlier this morning. For over an hour,

1049
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 17: demonstrators dispensed tear gas and through water bottles with little

1050
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 17: interference from police. The rally was shut down after the

1051
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 17: governor declared a state of emergency. Police and tactical gear

1052
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 17: ordered protesters to leave the park.

1053
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: The SBOC attempted to tie the horrific event to Gabbin's

1054
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: Paternal Club again, he was forced to push back.

1055
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 7: Heather Hire is dead.

1056
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 6: She was plowed down by Alex Fields Junior at Charlotte's

1057
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 6: Unite the Right rally. This rally, when I first heard

1058
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 6: of it back in May and June, was all about

1059
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 6: we don't want to we want to oppose taking down statues.

1060
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 6: They want to take down the roberty lea statue. Let's

1061
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 6: fight that, and everyone from the right should be there.

1062
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's let's unite conservatives.

1063
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 7: Sounds good.

1064
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 6: Then it started morphing into something much worse and I said,

1065
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 6: I'm out. I want to make sure probabys have nothing

1066
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 6: to do with it, make sure our name isn't on

1067
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 6: the flyer. I'm not going disavowed, disavowed, disavow some of

1068
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 6: the some guys said, why believing the rhetoric right of

1069
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 6: this sort of ethereal notion of right.

1070
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 7: To free speech, peace assembly. No, this is not what's

1071
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,959
Speaker 7: happening on the ground. This is getting ugly.

1072
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 6: And then when it happened, I just went to Thank god,

1073
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 6: I wasn't within three hundred miles of that place. But

1074
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 6: the far left is trying to rope me and the

1075
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 6: prow Boys into it, and so is the far right.

1076
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 6: It's all fake news, it's all lies. We disavowed this,

1077
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 6: We have nothing to do with it. We disavow the

1078
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 6: alt right. Probaboys are not al right. I've said it

1079
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 6: a million times and I'll say it a million more,

1080
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: not to virtue signal, not to gain friends, but because

1081
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 6: it's the truth.

1082
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: The tragic event was a gift to the media. They

1083
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: weaponized it to attack Trump and supporters, and the Southern

1084
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center used it to ramp up their narrative

1085
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: against Gavin and the Proud Boys. These rallies were becoming traps.

1086
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: ANTIFO would provoke violence, the media would capture the conflict,

1087
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: then pump about headlines blaming Trump supporters. It was at

1088
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: about this time that Gavin was planning a new show,

1089
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: Get Off My Lawn. At a burgeoning new conservative streaming

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: network's RTV, Gavin hinted at the upcoming project.

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Speaker 6: I'm leaving because I'm moving on to something big. The

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00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 6: long story I won't bore you with, and I won't

1093
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 6: tell you where I'm headed because I want to keep

1094
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 6: it a surprise.

1095
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 9: But uh, and I'm not just.

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00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 6: Going to continue with the red pull thing. I'm going

1097
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 6: to add a new angle, Like I'll still be Howard Stern,

1098
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 6: but I'm also going to be much more talker Carlson.

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00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 7: I don't think I'm going to swear.

1100
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna try not swearing for a while to get

1101
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 6: as mainstream as possible. It's a complete reboot of what

1102
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 6: I'm doing. I'm going up to the next level here.

1103
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Gavin McGuinness was about to go mainstream, and for his enemies,

1104
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: that could not happen. A few months later, in February

1105
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, the Southern Poverty Law Center classified the Proud

1106
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: Boys as a hate group and began a full campaign

1107
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: against Gavin, using his image to increase donations to their

1108
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: war chest. Given what had transpired over the past year,

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00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: many view this as a political hit job. Even with

1110
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: all the violent attacks by Antifa, their use of explosives,

1111
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: their riots, their vandalism, their hatred of Trump supporters, their assaults,

1112
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: the SPLC did not designate Antifa as a hate group.

1113
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: They left that label for the breakfast serial experts. The

1114
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: Proud Boys continued providing security at pro Trump rallies. They

1115
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,959
Speaker 1: attended patriot events at Portland and elsewhere to protect the participants,

1116
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: and ANTIPHA was there to provoke the violence without fail.

1117
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: The Southern Poverty Law Center used these face offs to

1118
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: continue their narrative. In in August one, twenty eighteen, posting,

1119
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: the SPLC warned that the Proud Boys were going to

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00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: be involved in more violence at upcoming rallies, suggesting they

1121
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: were the instigators of clashes at previous rallies, but not

1122
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: once in the article did they mention Antifa. The following day,

1123
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: the SPLC highlighted the Proud Boy's use of social media

1124
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: to attract new members. Twitter appeared to take the bait.

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00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: On August ten, twenty eighteen, banded Gavin and other Proud

1126
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: Boy accounts for violating its policy on quote violent extremist groups.

1127
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: Twetter did not do the same for the Antifa accounts.

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: For a public figure like Gavin mcguinnis, it's only a

1129
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: matter of time before someone invites you to perform at

1130
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: an event That would come on October twelfth, twenty eighteen,

1131
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: when the Manhattan Republican Club asked Gavin to speak, Antifa

1132
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: caught wind and began threatening the organization hosting the event,

1133
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: first with phone calls, then vandalizing property and leaving a

1134
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: threatening manifesto. So Gavin was faced again with either caving

1135
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: to the violent mob or attending. He chose the latter.

1136
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: The Proud Boys escorted him to the event.

1137
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 6: But we outside with these people screaming no Nazis and NYC.

1138
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 6: They spelled my name wrong, which is very suspicious. If

1139
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 6: you're so familiar with this guy, how do you not

1140
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 6: know how to spell his name?

1141
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Gavin got in. He typically uses these events to perform

1142
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: a stand up routine because leftists have basically cut off

1143
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: traditional comedy venues to anyone who is not on the left.

1144
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: His set included a comedic reenactment of a famous Japanese

1145
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: assassin named Atoyo Yamaguchi. He finished his set and prepared

1146
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: to leave.

1147
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 6: So Antifa's out there, screaming and yelling at people, calling

1148
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 6: them Nazis, throwing piss at them. There's this one guy,

1149
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 6: a citizen journalist.

1150
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 7: I think his name's Paul.

1151
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 6: They mob him, beat the shit out of him and

1152
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 6: take his equipment and get arrested for it. Right, I

1153
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 6: go outside at the end, the police keep us inside

1154
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 6: until they can get rid of the Antifa mob outside.

1155
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 6: So we were stuck there by the cops and then

1156
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 6: they say, okay, you go out first. So I go

1157
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 6: out and meet my car. They're throwing bottles of piss,

1158
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 6: and I pull up my plastic sword. I go o toya,

1159
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 6: I'm a Gucci forever, just fucking with them.

1160
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 7: You know what else am I going to do?

1161
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 6: Like crawl into the car like I'm some sort of

1162
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 6: evil pedophile. No, So then Antifa leaves.

1163
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 7: They're dispersed.

1164
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 6: But what they did was they circled around the block

1165
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 6: and they came back so as Proud Boys were being

1166
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 6: escorted to the subway by the cops and they're for

1167
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 6: the night. Actually, they knew there was going to be

1168
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 6: some sort of conflict so they brought pillows because they thought,

1169
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 6: you're not getting your optics, boys, and we're gonna fight

1170
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 6: you with pillows to show how useless you are. But

1171
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 6: it was so late in the night and everything was

1172
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 6: so dead, they left the pillows like in the garbage.

1173
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 6: And at the Republican Club, they're just walking home talking

1174
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 6: about what bar to go to, and boom, there's Antifa.

1175
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 6: Now this is after they had vandalized the Manhattan Republican Club,

1176
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 6: smashed the windows, glued the locks, and left a manifesto

1177
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 6: saying we.

1178
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 7: Are not civil.

1179
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 6: So the Proud Boys see them, and this isn't just

1180
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 6: like seeing Antifa on the elevator. This is after a

1181
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 6: week of threats. And then it's an ambush and they

1182
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 6: drew a line like there was a line of them,

1183
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 6: and they're blocking the Proud Boy's way and they throw

1184
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 6: a bottle of piss, and so Proud Boys bum rush them.

1185
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 6: The first guy Max, it looks like he's punching in

1186
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 6: the head. He's actually pulling off the guy's mask.

1187
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 7: And Antifa's winning.

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 6: At the beginning, they're pounding some guys, kicking them when

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01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 6: they're down, and then the other probably see what's going on.

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 6: They come in and they beat up the guys who

1191
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 6: attacked them, so the police show up. This is all

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01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 6: thirty seconds long, by the way.

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01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 7: The police show up.

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01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 6: When they go to the Antifa, do you want to

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01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 6: press charges? There are a problem here, and that Antifa says,

1196
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 6: fuck you pig, and so they go, alrighty, I guess

1197
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 6: that's a no on pressing charges.

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01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 7: So the whole thing was nothing.

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Speaker 6: And everyone went to bed and went that was a

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01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 6: kookie night. The next day, the DNC, and this had

1201
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 6: possibly always been the plan, realized that they could politicize this.

1202
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 6: So the DiBlasio Cuomo, the Attorney General, and the media

1203
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 6: everyone seized upon this as hate violent hate gang.

1204
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 7: And it was right before the midterms.

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01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 6: So the DNC, the DNC, the media, and Antifa are

1206
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 6: not different. Antifa's just the paramilitary wing. The DNC call

1207
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 6: the shots, and the media are the ones who are

1208
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 6: too chicken to go fight and they just fight online.

1209
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 6: So they all ran with this, and my life just

1210
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 6: went upside down.

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01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 11: The clash between members of the Proud Boys of Far

1212
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 11: Right men's group and masked members of Antifa and anti

1213
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 11: fascist group was caught on surveillance video on eighty second

1214
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 11: between Lexington and Park. Police say they had forty eight

1215
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 11: officers and other personnel surrounding the club on eighty third,

1216
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 11: keeping the groups away from one another. But these individuals,

1217
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 11: they say, got around police on another street tactically.

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01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 6: The surprise is when that group came around the side,

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 6: they flanked us.

1220
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 12: For the most part, I think the response was pretty good.

1221
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 11: The night of violence came after the founder of the

1222
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 11: Proud Boys, Gavin McGinnis, spoke at the Metropolitan Republican Club

1223
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 11: Friday night, but the club says it was vandalized before

1224
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 11: the event even took place. It provided this surveillance video

1225
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 11: of damage done outside the building at two am Friday.

1226
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: Broken windows, some graffiti which is commonly the A and

1227
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: the Anarchists signed drawn on the front door, and some

1228
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: leaflets that were left at the location.

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01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 11: The club says it also received threatening calls in the

1230
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 11: days before, but police say those were not immediately reported. Today,

1231
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 11: Governor Cuomo blasted Republicans, the club, and President Trump for

1232
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 11: what occurred.

1233
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 12: Why the Republican Party would bring a group that has

1234
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 12: a history of violence. I think they are desperate for

1235
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 12: the midterms. They are trying to fire up their base

1236
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 12: because they're afraid of the energy, and the Democratic Party

1237
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 12: was so called blue waves.

1238
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: News report after news report cited Gavin as the founder

1239
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: of an SPOC classified hate group. Days after the incident,

1240
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys were banned from Facebook, Instagram, then PayPal.

1241
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 7: And the NYC nine.

1242
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 6: Much more importantly than any of this, we're facing unbelievably

1243
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 6: serious charges felony, gang attack, a year in prison. Whenever

1244
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 6: I talk to their lawyers, they call me back from

1245
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 6: a different phone. Your phone's likely tapped my phone.

1246
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 7: How did we get here?

1247
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 6: Like that's worse than a pedophile and shutting down all

1248
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 6: these banks. I don't get to be on PayPal, you know,

1249
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 6: Chase shut down the head of Proud Boys. The chairman

1250
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 6: of Proud Boys might jaw hit the floor when that happened.

1251
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 6: And before that, it was just like like the NYU

1252
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 6: thing was kind of fun.

1253
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 7: It was fighting Antifa.

1254
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 6: Eleven people got arrested, but they were all released, and

1255
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 6: it was just these dumb rich kids think communism is

1256
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,959
Speaker 6: a thing and they think Nazis exist, and they're trying

1257
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 6: to fight as they're easy to beat up. That was

1258
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 6: a good brawl, good old fashioned brawling, and it was

1259
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 6: all silly, and it was all basically fashion.

1260
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 7: You know.

1261
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 6: It was punks fighting and skinheads, which I did in

1262
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 6: the eighties, right, That's all we did every weekend was

1263
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 6: fight Nazis. These Nazis now say they're anti fascists, but

1264
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 6: they're the same Nazi skinheads.

1265
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 7: Accept much worse fighters I've noticed.

1266
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 6: But anyway, the big change was to go from all

1267
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 6: this silly fighting and online bickering to you're facing serious

1268
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 6: jail time.

1269
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: So their lawyers tell Gavin that they may try to

1270
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: pin the Proud Boys as an organized street gang with

1271
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: him as the leader, a serious allegation that has criminal implications.

1272
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 6: Now you're obviously not doing legal activities, but they might

1273
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 6: try to argue leader. So if you step down, you

1274
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 6: kill fifty percent of their argument, which could help their

1275
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 6: court case.

1276
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 7: And I say fine.

1277
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 6: So I do a press conference and I say I'm

1278
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 6: no longer I no longer have anything to do with

1279
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 6: the Proud Boys. Now I was never the leader. I

1280
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 6: only started the fucking thing. And as far as my

1281
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 6: Proud Boy life, it was meeting my friends once a

1282
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 6: month at a bar in our little Fred Perry's and

1283
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 6: laughing and you know, doing a little ceremony. If that's

1284
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 6: if never doing that again means these guys get time

1285
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 6: shaved off their sentence, of course I'll do it.

1286
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 7: So that's why I did it.

1287
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: A few weeks later, Gavin was fired from his job.

1288
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I got fired, I thought, all right, that's it.

1289
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 7: This is too much.

1290
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: Now he'd been targeted by Antifa now for roughly two years.

1291
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Just attending his scheduled appearances meant he had to face

1292
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: being pepper sprayed, dashed with urine, and physically assaulted. He

1293
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: fought back by having his paternal brothers protect him at

1294
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: his appearances, and for doing that for fighting back when attacked,

1295
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: the SBLC classified his paternal club as a hate group.

1296
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: This literally gave a justification for the violent Antifa attacks.

1297
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: After losing his job, he decided it was time to

1298
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: fight back a different way, so he sued the Southern

1299
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Poverty Law Center for what he sees as a vicious

1300
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: defamation campaign against him and his friends.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, the Southern Poverty Law Center, we're getting

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Speaker 6: us fired. I think thirty five Proud Boys have been

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Speaker 6: fired by this mob.

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Speaker 7: Shit, how are they getting you fired?

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Speaker 6: They just they harassed the employer. They tell the employer

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Speaker 6: that this employee is a member of the Prowboys and

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Speaker 6: they're known by the SBLC as a hate group.

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Speaker 1: The entire ordeal was ludicrous to Gavin. The Proud Boys

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Speaker 1: were being called racists and Nazis when two of the

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Speaker 1: three that were facing serious charges are married to black

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Speaker 1: women and have black children. Both of those men lost

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Speaker 1: their jobs.

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Speaker 6: Their little black children, who were all young, lost food

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Speaker 6: on the table because of this stupid racist Nazi lie,

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Speaker 6: this myth.

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Speaker 1: These three facing the most serious charges were offered a

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Speaker 1: plea deal.

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Speaker 6: And no, they refused those please they said, fuck that.

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Speaker 6: I'm not spending a year in prison because I kicked

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Speaker 6: a guy who kicked me, who jumped me.

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Speaker 7: I fought back.

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Speaker 6: This is where we're at. The Proud Boys are silly.

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Speaker 6: It's just a fun men's club. When we hang out

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Speaker 6: in ninety nine percent of is about drinking beer. They're

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Speaker 6: not violent, they're not dangerous. Yes, they're violent when they

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Speaker 6: get punched in the face, but so.

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Speaker 7: Is every real man. That's why they call it violent,

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Speaker 7: because we dare to fight back.

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Speaker 1: And that's just what Gavin is doing by going up

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Speaker 1: against the behemoth Southern Poverty Law Center in court.

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Speaker 15: So if you can shut someone's access to digital platforms

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Speaker 15: down and to fame him, you are absolutely cutting his throat.

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Speaker 1: That's Ron Coleman, a litigator from the law firm Mandelbaum Salzburg.

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Speaker 1: He's representing Gavin in the case against the SBLC.

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Speaker 15: And what the SBLC did with Gavin through its influence

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Speaker 15: over the various social media platforms and funding platforms, was

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Speaker 15: deprive him of his ability to make a living, or

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Speaker 15: to substantially handicap the living that he could make.

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Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, the SBLC openly began an effort to

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Speaker 1: demonetize their targets. They do this by categorizing their enemies

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Speaker 1: as hate groups. Then they work to deplatform them from

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Speaker 1: social media and block their ability to use payment services.

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Speaker 1: They now reportedly work directly with Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Amazon, PayPal,

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Speaker 1: and others to identify hate groups for deplatforming. It's astonishing

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Speaker 1: that these silicon value monopolies would trust the SBLC. On

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Speaker 1: March fourteenth, its founder was fired for undisclosed reasons. A

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Speaker 1: few days later, a longtime SBLC employee published a scathing

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Speaker 1: op ed accusing the SPLC of racial and gender discrimination.

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Speaker 1: And claiming the SBLC was ripping off don and that

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01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:08,440
Speaker 1: their work was, in many respects, a highly profitable scam.

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Speaker 1: The same day the article was published, the sblc's legal

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Speaker 1: director left the company, and a day after that, the

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: president of the SBLC resigned. This is not an organization

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Speaker 1: that should be trusted for the simple fact that even

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Speaker 1: with all of the massive donations flowing into the company

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Speaker 1: to fight hate groups, according to the sblc's own statistics,

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Speaker 1: the number of hate groups reached a record high in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Their efforts, strangely have led to an increase

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Speaker 1: in hate, and that is likely because they profit from

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01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: classifying more and more groups like Gavin and the Proud

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Speaker 1: Boys as hate groups, regardless of whether they are or not.

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Speaker 1: To see how the SBLC has redefined hate, listened to

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Speaker 1: this SPLC representative in a twenty eighteen interview.

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Speaker 18: When Gavin mcinnison and the rest of any other Prowdboard

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Speaker 18: chapter president says that they're here to support Western chauvin

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Speaker 18: a hiss them or Western identity. What they're doing is

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Speaker 18: they're playing into a long line of what would be

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Speaker 18: normally called white nationalism. This idea that the United States

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Speaker 18: is justly inherited by white people, and white people only.

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Speaker 7: They never say what they say Wiston right.

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Speaker 18: See, but Western in many ways can be covered for

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Speaker 18: white because what they're talking about is Europe. You know,

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Speaker 18: the Europe and the United States.

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Speaker 16: Admit proud boys that are black, admit proud boys that

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Speaker 16: are born in other countries.

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Speaker 18: Does the fact that there's a couple of you know,

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Speaker 18: black or Hispanic proud boys absolve the organization from the

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 18: arguments and the positions they're holding.

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Speaker 7: Now we call them a Hay group.

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Speaker 1: The word Western is now a dog whistle for white supremacy,

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Speaker 1: regardless if you have black and Hispanic members. A few

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Speaker 1: months after this interview, which was with the Australia's public

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Speaker 1: Broadcasting Network, Gavin was denied entry into Australia. The sboc's

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: campaign against Gavin has had a devastating effect.

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Speaker 6: My children are ostracized at school because of this fucking

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01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 6: rumor that was still by lefties. They were reaching the

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01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,440
Speaker 6: vindictive zenith right now of vitriol.

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Speaker 1: I ask Gavin how he's been able to continue under

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Speaker 1: this massive orchestrated attack.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm a fighter and that's the way this

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 6: sport goes, you get knocked down, you get knocked out,

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01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 6: you get the shit beaten out of you. You know,

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 6: you're pissing blood after an important fight, after ten rounds,

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Speaker 6: and I just get back and I get back into

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01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 6: training and I get back in the ring.

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Speaker 7: It's just what I do.

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Speaker 6: You know, Jerry Seinfeld was asked, you've got tons of money,

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01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 6: why are you still doing this shit?

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01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 7: And he goes, it's like a woodchuck. I just got

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01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 7: to keep chuck in wood.

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 6: And you know, beavers have been domesticated very occasionally. And

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 6: the thing about a beaver is his teeth aren't like ours.

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 6: It's not like he has a skull and then the

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01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 6: teeth are separate things. His teeth come from his skull

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 6: and they're always growing, so they have to gnaw on

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01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 6: those trees or their teeth would just grow right into

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01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 6: their fucking belly, like when those girls have super long nails.

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 6: So when they get domesticated, the beavers just start eating

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 6: the furniture. And they're not doing this because they want

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01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 6: to build a damn. They're doing this to stop their

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01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 6: teeth from overgrowing. And I just feel like a beaver.

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 6: I'm just going to keep gnawing away. No matter what

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01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 6: you do, I'm just going to keep going and going

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01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 6: and going.

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Speaker 1: It's what I do, which leads us back to the

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01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: question why are all mainstream comedians liberals? We all know

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry is liberal, that's a given, but the

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01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: answer goes deeper than that. First, liberals literally have more

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01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: free speech than conservatives, and second, conservatives are afraid to

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01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: be called racists. Funny is often found in the taboo areas,

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01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: the politically incorrect, the unsaid truth, the no go zones,

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: the preposterous stereotypes. Comedy lives in these areas, and if

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 1: you're on the left, you can set up shop in

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01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: these spaces with much less risk of being branded a

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01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: racist or a sexist or a homophobe like Amy Schumer.

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Speaker 6: I mean, nothing works the hundred percent of the time,

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01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,480
Speaker 6: right except Mexicans.

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Speaker 7: I have noticed.

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Speaker 6: That's the one boom right, the Mexicans.

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 7: I hear you. You guys are preaching to the choir.

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: Her career wasn't ruined by the many jokes that she said,

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01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: like that or Chris Rock. This joke debuted on February fourteenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 4: I want to live in a world would real equality.

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01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 4: I want to live in a world where an equal

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01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 4: amount of white kids are shot every month. Oqual world.

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 4: I want to see white mother's old TV crime.

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Speaker 1: That same day, a shooter walked into a predominantly white

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: high school in Parkland, Florida, and killed seventeen people. Chris

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: Rock wasn't branded a hate monger. He didn't have to

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01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: fight his way in and out of his next gig.

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 1: He wasn't pepper sprayed, and no one threw urine at him.

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01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,759
Speaker 1: He survived that joke completely unscathed. Comedians can make jokes

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01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: that can easily be taken out of context, but if

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: a conservative enters this space, they will be viciously attacked

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: by the left, and prominent conservatives typically remain silent because

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01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,839
Speaker 1: they don't want to be branded a racist. Gavin refused

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01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: to let the violent antipathugs limit free speech. He went

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: on to college campuses, facing assault and potentially even death.

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 1: The man isn't even an American citizen, but he stood

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01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: up for our way of life. He's been severely punished

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 1: for his principled stand, but we've all benefited from his

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: sacrifice and the efforts of a few other free speech Warriors.

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Speaker 10: In a few moments, I will be signing an executive

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01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 10: order to protect free speech on college campuses.

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01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 7: Just the thought of it sounds good.

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01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: Gavin McGuinness is, without a doubt, one of the funniest

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01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: people on the planet, but he has been under siege

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,959
Speaker 1: for that gift, and the establishment right has largely abandoned

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: him for it. He's not allowed to be funny because

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,440
Speaker 1: making someone laugh is real power, and the left refuses

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01:16:05,479 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 1: to let their enemy have that power, so they've taken

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01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: jokes he's made out of context and use them to

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: brand him a hate longer. If the right ever wants

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01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: to win the culture war, they'll stand up for their

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01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: own when they're being attacked, because if they don't, the

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: left will just methodically pick off one hilarious right winger

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01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: after another until there's no one remaining to make us laugh.

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Speaker 8: Hey guys, I've been getting tons of emails and comments

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01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 8: that your memberships on YouTube have been paused.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm completely demond sized now. The Southern Poverty Law

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Speaker 5: M hmm.

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Speaker 6: Some summum sum sum sum sum sum