WEBVTT - Becoming The People's Joker: with Vera Drew

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I were at the nail salon yesterday getting a.

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<v Speaker 3>Friend of the show, by the way, friend of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>friend of the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting our nails done, and in walks a guy

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<v Speaker 2>with like a timbaland hat, like a green uh uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like jacket on, just looking real butch right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he walks in and he says, hey, I need

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<v Speaker 2>a full set, and the whole room I'm not joking.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he gay? We think so. We think he was a.

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<v Speaker 3>Queen who was off duty, because you know, it's what also,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's also a possibility what guitar players.

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<v Speaker 1>Guitar players.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a friend who plays. He does a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of finger picking, and he gets like just very like

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<v Speaker 3>basic like yeah, yeah, acrylics done on like one hand.

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<v Speaker 1>That is diva. That is kind yeah it is. It

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<v Speaker 1>is very male diva.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah god yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the whole room like and I mean obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there weren't that many people there, but.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole room started screaming, fagging. Yeah. The two trains

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<v Speaker 1>in the room like, oh faggot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was very fun and very interesting. Good

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<v Speaker 2>day at the nail salon yesterday. I love you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I used to do my nails at home, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have been for the past many years.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been I do.

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<v Speaker 2>My nails at home kind of girl because I know

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<v Speaker 2>how to do them, and I just don't like spending

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<v Speaker 2>the money on getting them done. But after yesterday, I

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<v Speaker 2>found a good nail salon that I really like. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm gonna make this my new, my new little,

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<v Speaker 2>my new little treat myself.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I would go, I've told I've said this

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<v Speaker 3>like a billion times, but I can't get my nails

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<v Speaker 3>done because I play guitar and I can't like hold down,

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<v Speaker 3>oh the fret the strings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess I could get.

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<v Speaker 3>Them done on one hands, but I want to get

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<v Speaker 3>them done on both hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I just I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just resigned myself to not ever doing my nails,

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<v Speaker 3>even though I like having them done. You can have

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<v Speaker 3>a polish at least just a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I like paint them myself. I'm very bad at I

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<v Speaker 3>have really shaky hands.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and I have a really shaky foot. I've

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<v Speaker 2>discovered these past two times that I've gotten interesting one

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<v Speaker 2>to the nail salon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I love getting my feets he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I do too, but for some reason, so last

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<v Speaker 2>time I got a French tip, this time I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get a French tip because last time my foot would

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<v Speaker 2>not stop shaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitch. It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>The nail person was like can you but yeah, can

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<v Speaker 3>you stop kicking me in the face. I apparently have

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<v Speaker 3>like restless leg syndrome or something. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>there's like any like foot fat guys that like try

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<v Speaker 3>to get like jobs as like uh like nail texs.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I think there's just like a white guy from

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio who walks into like a Vietnamese nail salon and is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, here's my application.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, I've worked in it and marketing for years,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just I just need to pick up some

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<v Speaker 3>extra cash.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say yes, but the reality is I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like from having worked because I used to work

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<v Speaker 2>in spas and massage places and I used to massage

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<v Speaker 2>feet on a daily basis, I will say that any

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<v Speaker 2>of that just becomes so desensitizing, like you're doing it

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<v Speaker 2>so much, you're seeing it so much, it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's just another part of a person's body.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's because you don't have a foot set right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you had a foot fetish then every day would

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<v Speaker 3>be like opening like Christmas morning as a kid, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it'd be like opening up the Nintendo sixty four.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I bet I worked with some people that

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<v Speaker 3>were really freaky for some feet probably you know what

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<v Speaker 3>else I thought about a little unrelated, but I've been

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about how, uh you think that the person that

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<v Speaker 3>made up that like, uh, like you think a long

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<v Speaker 3>time ago, someone got like stung by a sea urchin

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<v Speaker 3>and there was a guy that was on the beach

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<v Speaker 3>who was like, I didn't have to pee on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's like, everyone's like what, and he's like, I'm a doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>trust me, I have to pee on it. And now

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that's not true. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>that was just something made up by like a super freak.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, absolutely it was. You know how.

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<v Speaker 3>Many things in this world do you think we're just

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<v Speaker 3>like made up by like super freaks, Yeah, freaks with fetishists.

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<v Speaker 1>I was stung by a wasp a couple of ago

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy one of the guy beat on it. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he spit on it.

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like what, you know, I was very

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<v Speaker 3>like confused by that. You have to swallow my spit

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<v Speaker 3>because we have to spit in each other's mouths. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to look up and say I'm a good

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<v Speaker 3>girl and swallow my spit. And that's the only thing

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<v Speaker 3>that will stop the poison from reaching your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it worked, you know. Yeah, I'm better for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm better for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you live.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe there was maybe there is some some science

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<v Speaker 3>to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Jane, I know this week you're dying from allergies.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm getting owned every single day. Maybe I need

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<v Speaker 3>to get pissed on. Maybe the trees in your in

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<v Speaker 3>your sinuses right now, the trees are busting all over me.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I need more bust to counteractive, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe I.

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<v Speaker 1>Should go to some freak doctor who's.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna Oh I showed you that video right, which one,

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<v Speaker 3>the one where the doctor was jerking of someone getting

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<v Speaker 3>combed on? Oh yeah, yeah that's what you knew. Yah,

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<v Speaker 3>he off, he has joking her ship. He was like

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<v Speaker 3>his thumb like really really hard over her. Yeah you

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<v Speaker 3>could hear it, like, yeah, yeah, it was cool. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is, Carmen, that actually wouldn't work for me

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<v Speaker 3>because I have a deviated septum, and my ship is

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<v Speaker 3>really fucked up. I went to it's funny you've you've

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<v Speaker 3>been having trouble getting your like gender confirmation surgeries. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just having trouble like getting like my nasal passages to

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<v Speaker 3>where I can breathe a gun And yeah, I went

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<v Speaker 3>to an e N t uh like like two weeks ago. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is, they made me do like this really

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<v Speaker 3>fucking long like triage. And I told him, like from

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, I was like I saw an e NT

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<v Speaker 3>like a year ago. They prescribed me some stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna work. Like there's there's no going back from this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's it's open. It's like a goat. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like goatsy nose, like it's it's gaped. It is she's gaping, shorty.

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<v Speaker 3>Shorty is a gape. And yeah, and like the very

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<v Speaker 3>last thing they did, after asking me like just a

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<v Speaker 3>fucking like insane like rubric of questions, was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I'm gonna take a look at your nose

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<v Speaker 3>and told back a little bit. And I heard the

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<v Speaker 3>doctor say, like, damn, you weren't kidding. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>why would I have been kidding. Do you get like

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<v Speaker 3>some freaks who come in here. It was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>people who just want a free fucking nose job. I

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<v Speaker 3>need you to look inside my nose, I learned and

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<v Speaker 3>use you to get all the way inside.

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<v Speaker 2>My doctor asked me when I had my consultation. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, and do you have any problems breathing? And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, sure, I don't know. Whatever you gotta do

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<v Speaker 2>to get that shit covered by insurance?

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<v Speaker 1>He laugh.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, it's crazy because I asked the doctor too.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, they're like, we're not going to change

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<v Speaker 3>the shape of your nose at all. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh really, and he was like yeah, no, it's all

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<v Speaker 3>like inside. I was like, wait, but can you and

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<v Speaker 3>he was like no, that's like something else.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, yeah, I guess it is. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But like I have heard of other people saying that

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<v Speaker 3>when they got their deviated septem fixed, they got kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a little too for one deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of hoping they.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably went to a plastic surgeon because what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do is well, I don't want to get all

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<v Speaker 2>technical with you.

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<v Speaker 3>But they'll do like an ope they're going to open

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<v Speaker 3>up your nose. They're going to get the hood, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean? Oh, I know, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>from what I know that the surgery is all kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like done, like they don't they're not like split

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<v Speaker 3>in my shit open Okay, yeah, yeah, it's closed.

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<v Speaker 1>They do it. They do it all. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>they send.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting an open I'm getting an open R.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of a magic school bus situation, yeah, where they

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<v Speaker 3>send a tiny school bus of doctors into my nose

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<v Speaker 3>to to fix it and then they pull them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's how all modern medicine is going these days.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why it's so hard to get it covered by

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<v Speaker 2>insurance because you have to have like the whole team

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<v Speaker 2>of doctors get on the bus at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>The yeah, and then they have to get in line

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<v Speaker 2>for like the shrinking ray and it's shrinking right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there's like always delays.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's only a handful of magic school bus

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<v Speaker 3>doctors in America's.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nationalized practice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why there's so many good surgeons and Thailand,

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<v Speaker 3>because the average height in Thailand is only like like

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<v Speaker 3>two point three centimeters, so they can they can shrink.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very easy to shrink a doctor microscopic country.

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<v Speaker 1>Thailand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's there's a Taiwanese person listening. Like the five

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<v Speaker 3>foot one countries, a Taiwanese person is from top Oh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I meant that. I said that. I said that. I said, Thailand,

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<v Speaker 3>d's time, They're time. I said that. That's what I said.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I said. Okay, I know, I know, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have the doctors inside fixing me. You see

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm wearing right now? Do you think I know?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's a classic Janey fit today. The first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I said when I saw he was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a if you look up Jenny Danger in the dictionary,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is the.

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<v Speaker 1>Photo I'm wearing my Democrat trucker outfits. Yes, Trucker Janey.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we get a little sample of truck or Janey?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll come back to that. I would play her Trucker Janey.

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<v Speaker 3>It would play her Lisa Kudro.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I gotta ask you that question more often. Instantly,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to ask you that question more often. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what. Honestly, like, that's the person that people say

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<v Speaker 3>I look like the most I see that. Well, they

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<v Speaker 3>say Phoebe specifically friends. Yeah, yes, yeah, they don't say

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<v Speaker 3>Romy or Michelle.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm never I don't know what it

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<v Speaker 1>is either. I think I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I forgot the fun kind of name is romy It's not,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just I. I was driving on eighty

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<v Speaker 3>five the other day and there's some big like post

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. There's this big advertisement for I believe

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a BT show called Diara in Detroit, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking, like Diara.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like Daria.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's kind of if I wasn't wearing my glasses,

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<v Speaker 3>it kind of looks like diarrhea.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, that's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you just threw an h somewhere in there

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<v Speaker 3>like that, would that would be really confusing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, diarrhea in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been thinking a lot lately about how

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<v Speaker 2>famous people have some of the weirdest fucking names you've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard of, like Stockard Channing, Stockard a fucking name.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is that Stockard? I don't know, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>I like that name I.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually Kuba Cuba Gooding Juba Gooding Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say this? I like that name too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just like these aren't names, do you know what?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>What pisses me off more than that is the fucking

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<v Speaker 3>uh the how celebrity Like I never in my life

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<v Speaker 3>have I met someone with like three names. Like I've

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<v Speaker 3>never met like a Joseph Gordon Levitt. That's a cerial lie,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying? Only serial killers have three names,

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<v Speaker 3>or like it's weird that like celebrities get to have

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<v Speaker 3>like like Phillips, Seymour Hoffman, where they get to have

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<v Speaker 3>a name, which is my favorite share Madonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do. I do like that, Sinda.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's great when you just have you claim

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<v Speaker 3>the entire name, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Timothy Shallome is all is all one word too.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard it was actually pronounced tim Timothy.

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<v Speaker 1>That limit. Wonka Wonka gets to have one name too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know it's Willy. I like to.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine justin Timberlake and the Social Network coming in and

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<v Speaker 3>being like drop the Willy, just just Wonka.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I haven't seen the Social Network or Wonka but

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<v Speaker 3>well the social networks good.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of one word titles, Uh, what if what if

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<v Speaker 3>I came to you and said, I'm I'm the Joker?

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<v Speaker 1>Baby? If I said something like that to you, how

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<v Speaker 1>you would I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would signal the Batman and and call for help.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is another showdown of Joker versus Batman.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Madonna versus Anddeia. Yeah, you know they have

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<v Speaker 3>a famous rivalry.

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<v Speaker 1>Though share versus Sophie. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, if you were the Joker, I would call

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<v Speaker 2>Arkham and I would say, hey, uh, your joker is

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be I.

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<v Speaker 1>Have your joker. I have your joker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you look at my little collar, like if if

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<v Speaker 3>missing return to Kham?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, should we talk about our guest and who we're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing on the show today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm very excited to be joined this week by

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<v Speaker 3>a real life film director, not just a person with

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<v Speaker 3>a letterbox account, not just a pretty face. We do

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<v Speaker 3>not just love all of our letterboxed users. I'm one

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<v Speaker 3>of them, of course, but I'm just saying this is

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<v Speaker 3>someone that is beyond, beyond the peanut.

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<v Speaker 1>Gallery of the rubes like us.

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<v Speaker 3>This is someone that's actually on the field on on

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<v Speaker 3>the Red Karpatre and producing wonderful films such as The

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<v Speaker 3>People's Joker. And today we have the director of the

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<v Speaker 3>People's Joker, Vera Drew, on the show, and we're very

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<v Speaker 3>excited to have her. Do you got anything else to

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<v Speaker 3>tee us off about Vera Drew?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved this interview. I thought she was a great guest,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm really fucking excited about her movie and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so glad that she won her battle against the gaylords

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<v Speaker 2>over at DC and what.

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<v Speaker 3>She did, she did, she beat the haters and the

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<v Speaker 3>movie is out for you to find, and I believe

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<v Speaker 3>that she'lla I think I think we'll talk a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more about that.

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<v Speaker 1>In our interview with Vera Drew.

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<v Speaker 3>So period, I suppose, without further ado, here's our interview

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<v Speaker 3>with Vera Drew.

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<v Speaker 2>Today on the pod, We've got Vera Drew. Vera is

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<v Speaker 2>a film director and she is the director of the

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<v Speaker 2>upcoming film The People's Joker, which we are very excited about,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're going to talk to her today about

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<v Speaker 2>the trials and tribulations of being a filmmaker about something

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<v Speaker 2>that is potentially copyrighted content that was in the copyright

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<v Speaker 2>hell apparently. But yeah, we're really excited to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess to start.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you are the director of the brand new twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two film The People's Joker, and this was a

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<v Speaker 3>movie that I was very excited about at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>You were someone that, like I thoughtollowed on Twitter, like

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<v Speaker 3>when I like first made my account.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've been aware of you for Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you were one of the first kind of like highbies,

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<v Speaker 3>so like follow me back when I was when I

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<v Speaker 3>was a based another one of your shooters, Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone I get on the show is a shooter of mine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, what's that. I've never been called that before.

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<v Speaker 1>A shooter. A shooter.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like someone someone that you ride for, someone that's

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<v Speaker 3>like one of your shooters. Like if if Janie's getting

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<v Speaker 3>into some stupid shit on Twitter, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>could happen, Yeah, you're there for her.

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<v Speaker 2>It does all the time, there for her. You're there

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<v Speaker 2>to help make sure her ratio stays good all that.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I hope I could be that for you.

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<v Speaker 7>I certainly feel like you're one of those for me.

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<v Speaker 7>I've never heard that. I described that weight.

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<v Speaker 3>But just for the listeners that might not know, tell

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<v Speaker 3>us about your movie, and uh, maybe tell us about

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<v Speaker 3>some of why it's been held.

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<v Speaker 1>Up for a while, if you want to get into that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, for sure. I so basically I think it was

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<v Speaker 7>like May of twenty twenty. Like I used to have

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<v Speaker 7>a web series called Hot Topics with Beera Drew that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I with your friend. I remember that. Actually, yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 7>Was basically just a feeble attempt to get No, it

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<v Speaker 7>was spelled like the store.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, oh my god, my cat's just started fighting.

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<v Speaker 7>So this is this is the most chaotic podcast appearance

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<v Speaker 7>I've ever done. Sorry, apparently, No, it's it's entirely me.

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<v Speaker 7>It's the energy I'm bringing to it today. Yeah, let

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<v Speaker 7>me start over. I mean, you could use all of that.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't really give a shit. I'm also going to

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<v Speaker 7>just turn down this heater that's going.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, it sounds like you're like putting something in the microwave.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I like it, or like I'm in like some

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<v Speaker 7>sort of like a joker cave of some sort.

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<v Speaker 4>Very I kind of am.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, to answer your question, it's I made a

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<v Speaker 7>trans joker movie. It's like a Joker parody of try

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<v Speaker 7>Todd Phillips Joker. You know, Warner Brothers didn't particularly like

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<v Speaker 7>that I did that, but I announced that I was

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<v Speaker 7>doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>In like.

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<v Speaker 1>They can eat. Yeah, that's what their deal was.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, So I premiered at it Tiff last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't been able to see the film yet, but

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<v Speaker 3>it looks very cool. It's actually playing at the Applaza

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<v Speaker 3>Theater near here in like a few weeks, so I

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<v Speaker 3>am excited to go see it. To make a beauty

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<v Speaker 3>translated outing yeah we should, we should, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'll start here because I was reading this

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<v Speaker 3>mor I forgot the uh the article, I forgot the

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<v Speaker 3>website that posted it. But they described your film as

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<v Speaker 3>a highly personal, incredibly irreverent, stylized memoir movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's an interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Way to describe a movie about the Joker. So can

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<v Speaker 3>you tell us what made you, like, I guess, what

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<v Speaker 3>made you relate to the character of the Joker to

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<v Speaker 3>put Well, first of all, is that even true? Like

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<v Speaker 3>is that an accurate thing? That this is like a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a personal film for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's like really the best description of it.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's why it's like so like weird for

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<v Speaker 7>me to like talk about sometimes and get into it

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<v Speaker 7>because like it really was just like it was like

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<v Speaker 7>the most expensive like therapy I've ever done. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I just like I don't know, like I really was

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<v Speaker 7>kind of inspired by Todd Phillips Joker like when I

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<v Speaker 7>saw it. Not not necessarily to make this movie, but

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<v Speaker 7>like when I first saw it, it was like just

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<v Speaker 7>such a weird experience because like I remember people talking

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<v Speaker 7>about how like they were going to be like fucking

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<v Speaker 7>bombs going.

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<v Speaker 3>On like shootings at every theater that yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 3>that too.

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<v Speaker 4>And then like I don't know, it was just like

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<v Speaker 4>the movie was just like I don't know, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like a like a drama about mental health. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so not.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I don't know, like and like I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 7>not like like it's a simple story. So I feel

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<v Speaker 7>like as far like politically, you could like project a

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<v Speaker 7>lot onto it just because like it's kind of just

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<v Speaker 7>universally tackling, like yeah, it sucks to be like a

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<v Speaker 7>mentally ill American and like a dying dystopian hellscape. But

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<v Speaker 7>I really really, you know, I not only like as

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<v Speaker 7>like a lifelong comic book fan like just watching that,

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<v Speaker 7>it was just like I can't fucking believe this is

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<v Speaker 7>the movie that the director of Old School made, right,

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<v Speaker 7>and that like Warner Brothers would even like put a

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<v Speaker 7>movie out like that, uh, and and that it would

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<v Speaker 7>like make like like kind of just be this like

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<v Speaker 7>big cultural zeitgeist thing. Like I just kind of thought

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<v Speaker 7>it was cool to see something mainstream sort of like.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk about that stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>And so, I mean, but yeah, the original idea for

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<v Speaker 7>this just really came from like doing a ton of

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<v Speaker 7>writing about myself and I was writing like a like

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<v Speaker 7>kind of fucking psycho trans body horror script that was

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<v Speaker 7>like about a drag queen that was physically addicted to irony,

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<v Speaker 7>and like it was really yeah, no, I mean it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>All a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, it was uh yeah, and like definitely way

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<v Speaker 7>different then what the People's Joker ended up becoming.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was really kind of the Yeah, that was like.

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<v Speaker 1>The the like kind of like the of the idea.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And then Todd Phillips started talking about woke culture

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<v Speaker 7>a lot, and I thought it was funny, and my

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<v Speaker 7>co writer I thought it was funny, and she commissioned

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<v Speaker 7>me on Twitter to re edit Todd Phillips Joker.

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<v Speaker 1>To make it the Woker.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean that's that's basically what I attempted to

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<v Speaker 7>do at first. Like I was kind of just making

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<v Speaker 7>this big, weird like ship post of the Joker.

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<v Speaker 3>Gender is a spectrum. They're like, what, like you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Joker.

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<v Speaker 7>There was a lot of fart fart sound effects and

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<v Speaker 7>wooshes and you know, like slip sounds. But yeah, while

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<v Speaker 7>I was doing that, I just kind of like genuinely

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<v Speaker 7>remembered how much I like loved those characters growing up

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<v Speaker 7>and stuff, and I don't know, just like I I

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<v Speaker 7>the whole idea just kind of crystallized all in an

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<v Speaker 7>instant where I was just like, oh okay, like it's

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<v Speaker 7>I there's I need to make like a trans Joker parody,

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<v Speaker 7>Like that's what I need to do right now. And

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<v Speaker 7>this was also like while it is like March twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 7>so everything was shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>I came on your hands.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, just the time where we were all thriving. I

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<v Speaker 7>was an alternative comedy editor for many years, so like

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<v Speaker 7>I my job just completely disappeared like all of ours did,

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<v Speaker 7>but mine like really did because like, who the fuck

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<v Speaker 7>was gonna ever you know, pay me to like add

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<v Speaker 7>fart sound effects.

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<v Speaker 4>To something during that you know, a few months there.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, it just kind of I'm out with that,

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<v Speaker 7>and I was like, I'm just gonna do this. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>just gonna like make this movie. And the goal always

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<v Speaker 7>was to make it like legally sound. I mean like

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<v Speaker 7>I talked to lawyers when we first started writing it,

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<v Speaker 7>and and uh, yeah, no, I mean they The thing

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<v Speaker 7>about the thing about the law, like about fair use

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 7>laws and parody is like it's like porn.

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 3>Or whatever where it's interpretations.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, when you know it when you see it, so

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:41.719
<v Speaker 7>like of course, like you know, a big studio, like

0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.360
<v Speaker 7>if they don't get it or they don't see it,

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 7>like it's gonna kind of I'm not.

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:47.840
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't shocked. I think more than anything, I was

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:56.160
<v Speaker 7>shocked just because like yeah, just because like I've been

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 7>so open about the fact that I was making it

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 7>for years to make so like I was on Twitter,

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 7>I was going to meetings at Warner Brothers for other stuff.

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.919
<v Speaker 7>Like I worked for fucking Warner Brothers for like almost

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 7>a decade because I was working for Adult swims so

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 7>like they knew what I was doing, so yeah.

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 3>And it's like what do they expect like that, like

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.679
<v Speaker 3>every line of dialogue, like someone looks to the camera

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 3>and as like this is a parody, by the way,

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 3>like this this is this is fair use parody. I

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 3>feel like a lot of fair use laws are the

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:35.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of thing where it's like even if like the

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 3>case is like going to go nowhere.

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like.

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 3>A lot of like like corporations and stuff, and like

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 3>like businesses will like at least like attempt like just

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:51.399
<v Speaker 3>to like inconvenience, you know, Like I feel like you

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 3>see this a lot on like YouTube and stuff like

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 3>like all the like copyright extra can and all the

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, absolutely the legal stuff aside. I just even like philosophically,

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, like I do. I don't really see

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 7>like Marvel movies, and I probably haven't seen like a

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 7>DC Comics movie in a few years really besides Flash

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 7>just because that was like a fucking crazy.

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 7>No, I want to be the one that rehabilitates them.

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>But we support queer voice.

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<v Speaker 7>Somebody should definitely take that out of context. I yeah, no,

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 7>I I just like I kind of like I feel

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 7>like I have to hear all the time how like

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 7>these characters are like modern religion or modern myths and stuff,

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 7>and like if that's the case, like theoretically, like all

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 7>laws aside. I'm just saying, like on a like a

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.719
<v Speaker 7>stinky artist level, like shouldn't like myth belongs to the people.

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:58.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, no.

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 3>One has a copyright on zeus, right, That's kind of

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 3>what I was going to say, is like, isn't The

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Joker like such an archetype that like it's not even

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't necessarily belong in my mind to anyone.

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, and I mean that was really the movie

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 7>that I wanted to make with it too, was kind

0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 7>of like the the I mean like we you know,

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.360
<v Speaker 7>you can see it in the trailer, like we recreated

0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 7>set pieces, like we made an entire three D model

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 7>of that's a recreation of of Joaquin Phoenix's apartment in

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 7>The Joker, Like we you know did that. That was

0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 7>done by Paul McBride, who should shout out, but uh,

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 7>who doesn't even do Like, who doesn't I don't even

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 7>think Paul like makes movies and stuff. Like most of

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 7>the people who worked on it were just like cool artists.

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, as I know some uh friends friends of

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 3>mine thought worked on it.

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Shouts out to them the best movies honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you started production in twenty twenty, did I

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 3>catch thought correctly?

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 7>Like it was such a it was a really organic process,

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 7>and as many of us could probably relate, I don't

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 7>really remember that year that well, both because I was

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.479
<v Speaker 7>like stoned the entire time and just because, like you know,

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 7>none of us have processed COVID yet.

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I still haven't gotten sober. Yeah, I loved it. It

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>was the best year of my life. I didn't have

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 3>to work at a restaurant for seven months, and I

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 3>still made the same amount of money.

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 1>So no, honestly, take me fucking back.

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 7>I got to like I wouldn't have been able to

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.479
<v Speaker 7>make this movie, like that movie or that year was

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 7>like my fucking wake up call, because I just I

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 7>wanted to make a movie since I was six years old,

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 7>like I knew I was a filmmaker before I knew

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 7>I was a girl, like I did not and like

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 7>watching because that was that same summer, like just with

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 7>all the protests happening, and like I saw fucking takes

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 7>in like my city. Like it was just like oh okay,

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 7>like shit's going off, and like I haven't done the

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 7>thing that Like I literally feel like I'm on this

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 7>planet to do, like now is the time, and I'm

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 7>going to do. I'm going to cash in every single favor.

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.239
<v Speaker 7>I'm going to absolutely wore myself out there. I'm going

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 7>to put all of me into this.

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, how many dicks did you see?

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 4>Not enough?

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 7>Uh but yeah, twenty twenty and we shot it in

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 7>five days at the end of twenty twenty, which.

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, it's insane. That's amazing. Yeah, I did.

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I also wanted to ask, like, since it's kind of

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 3>been in this like weird limbo for some time, has

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 3>it changed, like or it's like is the one that

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 3>you uh like finish, like the one that you like

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 3>you I believe you said you premiered it at at tiff, right, Yeah.

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 4>We premiered it at Tiff in twenty twenty two.

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 3>And then that's when it kind of entered it's like

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 3>a limbo state, as I'll refer to it. I don't know,

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 3>is it like the same, because did you just.

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Leave it alone?

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 7>Like did you just like absolutely not. No, it's it's

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 7>uh okay. Yeah, the Tiff. The Tiff cut was like

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:24.719
<v Speaker 7>a very early it was a fresh paint job, and

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 7>it was very hard to watch for that reason. I

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 7>mean like and that was god like Tiff. It's so crazy.

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 7>It's like why I'm like kind of so like cagey

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 7>about just talking about the legal stuff sometimes because it's

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 7>like the actual experience of Tiff was so.

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 4>Just like amazing and beautiful.

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 7>Like I was finishing the movie ten minutes before I

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 7>got in the fucking car to go to Tiff, like

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 7>I was still I hit export because my girlfriend was like,

0:31:56.400 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 7>you've been up for three days, like you need to

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 7>just you need to finish this, like we gotta go

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.959
<v Speaker 7>screen this for a bunch of Canadians. And I hit

0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 7>export and yeah, like that was that so like it

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 7>was I didn't even watch it down before we screened it,

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 7>so that first cut was very fresh, but like it

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 7>was still like every single joke landed, like people were crying,

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:23.080
<v Speaker 7>like I had this mother of like this this it

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 7>was so crazy just because like I clear, I made

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 7>this movie for like thirteen year old me and like

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 7>just also to like I don't know, like to make

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 7>like this kind of trans movie because nobody's ever like

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 7>made this kind of trans movie before because I never

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 7>could have met Oh, go ahead, I.

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Was gonna say, we're typically like we have to be

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>like kind of a superhero in a lot of movies

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>in a sense we're not allowed.

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 7>Totally or a super victory or a super exactly or

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 7>be funny or like like I don't know, like there's

0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 7>just so much like there was like jokes and stuff,

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 7>not not like that it was like oh, it's like

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 7>should I really like put this out there or whatever,

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.800
<v Speaker 7>but like jokes in there where it's like about the

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 7>trans experience and stuff where I'm like is this okay

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 7>to like talk about because like I just have never

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 7>seen it in a movie before. And then like yeah,

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 7>like normally it's just like us, you know, offering ourselves

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 7>or like falling in love with somebody and them and

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 7>making their lives better and then we die at the

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 7>end or whatever.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 4>So like yeah, it was I don't know, like I

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 4>always I.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Was not made by trans generally by trans people.

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 4>Although they're starting to crop up.

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 7>There's a few, like you know, like there's like a

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 7>few like neo lib trans filmmakers out there now.

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 3>I want this. This is something we actually talked about

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:53.760
<v Speaker 3>a good bit with Liz Pichell Loveless.

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>She's amazing.

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean I think like representation like matters, like I guess,

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 3>but like it it's not like the end all be all,

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, and I feel like it would be a

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 3>much better sign of progress to like just have like

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 3>trans characters. I don't know, like it's just like they're

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 3>trans because they are, and that's that's all there is

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 3>to it.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 7>You know. I think that was like I don't know,

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.799
<v Speaker 7>it's it's why it's funny when like I don't know,

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.439
<v Speaker 7>the like the alt right has finally discovered my movie,

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 7>which is funny.

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's that's gonna be free class.

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 7>Oh no, I'm like, finally, God damn it. I need

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 7>the fucking engagement, especially on X now.

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just like it's impossible to everything up.

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, I mean, like it's funny when people like

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 7>I've jokingly called it the woker I like, but like

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 7>when people like say it's like it's it's it's fucking

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 7>woke or whatever, I'm like, it's not like it's it's

0:34:56.280 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 7>like I I like, I'm not a good role model

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 7>in it. It's about a fucking drug addict who like

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 7>doesn't get along with her mom and like decides to

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:10.280
<v Speaker 7>do alternative comedy. Like that is like the least inspirational

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 7>story on paper, and like certainly not like I have.

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.920
<v Speaker 7>I've had trans people like tell me that, like I

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:21.879
<v Speaker 7>shouldn't like make trans villains and stuff like it's it's

0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 7>I think, you know, like it's absolutely like I mean,

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 7>we yeah, but only for the reason too, because like

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, like I my movie is very honest,

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 7>it's very personal and like very specific, and like I mean,

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 7>like I was saying, like I really only kind of

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 7>expected trans people to love it for that reason. But

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 7>like I had this experience at Tiff where like this

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 7>like mother came up to me, like and she was

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 7>just like crying.

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.720
<v Speaker 4>She was like, thank you for making this, Like I can't.

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 4>I'm just like I feel like I understand how to

0:35:54.560 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 4>like talk.

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:57.239
<v Speaker 7>To my daughter a little bit and more now just

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 7>having like just sat through that like for ninety minutes,

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 7>and like I was like and like like because she

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.280
<v Speaker 7>had a trans daughter, and it was like I couldn't

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 7>believe that like I would be able to get that

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 7>kind of response from it. And that's like to me,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 7>the value of like actual representation and like and I

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 7>don't like the word representation because like it's such a

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 7>surface level bullshit word.

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>But like if we actually get.

0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.720
<v Speaker 7>These opportunities to tell our stories and if we actually

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 7>get to like I don't know, just like film is

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 7>a medium, like if you actually use it in this way,

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.959
<v Speaker 7>it's very specific and very honest and autobiographical. It could

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 7>not only like be really healing for yourself if you

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:40.760
<v Speaker 7>need that. I certainly did, but it also really people

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.840
<v Speaker 7>people connect with specificity.

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, yeah, that's a that's a very good way

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 3>to put it.

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's uh. I think that's very true.

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, even then, like like a lot of like

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 3>like a lot of my favorite songwriters like will like

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 3>write something thing that like I might not fully like

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 3>quite understand, but like the specificity of their words like

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 3>moves me in a way that I'm like like, oh wow,

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 3>I have had to rent a room before.

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:15.720
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that is really cool crazy yeah right yeah, Like

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 3>they swept floors there too, that's nuts. Like yeah, that

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 3>that is that is really beautiful And that is something

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 3>that like I long believed representation is not liberation, and

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I think it's kind of far from it in many respects.

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 4>And queer art should be like edgy.

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah I do too.

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 3>I feel like we're going nowhere with this like Steven

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Universe tuttle puddle bullshit, Like I feel like that's like

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>only going to like preach to the choir of like

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 3>queer people that want to watch things that have like

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 3>no like central conflict.

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like nice nice. Yeah, this is.

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Like I think trans women should be like, and trans

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 2>women in particular, I feel like this happens a lot

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>where we get boxed into like this, like you can't

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 2>be like mean, you can't be a ship poster, you

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>can't be like just like crazy, you can't you have

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to be like.

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>The whole model at x y Z.

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.799
<v Speaker 2>And it's like I feel like true liberation is just

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<v Speaker 2>to allow us to be like the really fucking people

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>we are, Yeah, just be humans.

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we'll have like true liberation until there's

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<v Speaker 3>like a trans jackass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well you know what that tech thing was actually on? Right? Riley?

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:50.200
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Riley had a show for Wow, and they had

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 3>a segment on the show that was Jacks and Riley

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 3>played really yes, they're like pushing trans bitches and shopping

0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:01.839
<v Speaker 3>carts like down a flight, Yes, doing like the cockroach,

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 3>like blowing game like through the pipe and like stuff

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 3>like that.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 1>So it was like it's full.

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 2>It was a segment in their actual show avalon TV.

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Not watch avalon TV on whow plus. Well, I have

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>a question for you about playing the Joker, directing this

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:29.799
<v Speaker 2>movie all of that. You know, it's kind of a

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>well known fact that many actors who have taken on

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:39.760
<v Speaker 2>this role kind of go down, you know, the the

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:43.319
<v Speaker 2>the spiral, the rabbit hole a little bit. What was

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that journey like for you and do you feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you had to like break your sanity completely to get there?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean nobody's ever asked me that yet.

0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Like, are you like still like talking like the Joker?

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Like awesome? Butler is like permanently talking like Elvis.

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<v Speaker 7>I've always had like I've always had like a cackle,

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 7>Like my laugh has always been very joker fed. And

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 7>I've noticed that people think I've like I'm like affected

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 7>in that way now where it's like but I'm like no,

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.280
<v Speaker 7>it's like you should meet meet the rest of my family.

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:28.360
<v Speaker 7>We all sound like crazy fucking nightmare clowns.

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, cackling.

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I love a cackle.

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Cackles are like cute to me, like because it's I

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 3>love when like you can tell people are like tickles.

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:40.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean just I love I love a good cackle.

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, cackles are great.

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 7>I'm I'm I hope, I hope I can be good

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 7>for cackle representation at the very least. But yeah, no,

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 7>I went fucking crazy making this movie. Like I I mean, like, look,

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 7>it really was, like I mean, I guess I should

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<v Speaker 7>say what the movies like really actually about.

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 4>I didn't really like it.

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 7>It follows, you know, this closeted trans woman who basically

0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 7>like grows up in the Midwest and leaves home like

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 7>non affirming parents with dreams of like being on like

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 7>this like SNL type show. And so she moves to

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 7>a place called Gotham City. And this is in a

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 7>like a nightmare reality where comedy is illegal, which was

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 7>an element that America if anything, I'm like, the alright

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 7>should connect with that because they're always saying that, but right, yeah,

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 7>and she basically like starts her own illegal comedy theater

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 7>and she kind of like finds love and discovers herself,

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.080
<v Speaker 7>and yeah, it sort of follows the traditional like coming

0:41:56.080 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 7>of age heroes journey in that way from there. But

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 7>uh yeah, like I really it's it's very with all

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 7>of that in mind. Like it's super based on my life.

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 7>Like I came from the Midwest. I was doing comedy,

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 7>like way too young. I started doing sketch and improv

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 7>when I was thirteen.

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 4>I was a part of this, Like.

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of things you could be doing way

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>too young, And I think comedy is because maybe okay

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was on Craigslist way too young.

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 7>Okay, well I yeah, no, that's fair. I mean, but

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 7>comedy can lead to Craigslist, is my point. You know,

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 7>comedy that at that age because like I mean, thank

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 7>god I had it too, because like I was such

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 7>a fucking I was crazy in high school. Like I

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.800
<v Speaker 7>was nuts and like needed, uh some sort of outlet

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 7>and like being able to like go to the city

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 7>like I grew up in the South suburbs of Chicago

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 7>and like being able to like go downtown and like

0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 7>it was the place where I discovered how to be

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 7>me safely while also like you know, getting a few

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 7>drug problems and like getting into really codependent relationships with

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 7>a bunch of comedians and like making a lot of

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 7>art that was cool and fun and I'm like proud of.

0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:22.799
<v Speaker 7>But like also you know, at times inauthentic to me

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 7>at other times like very like self hatey and like

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 7>kind of just like almost like high concept self harm.

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 7>So like this movie's kind of about all of that,

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 7>and like so like and it was, it was about

0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 7>all of that very intentionally in a way to like

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 7>process it in like a healthy way because I'd been

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 7>working on I mean, like I feel like.

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 4>I came out when I was like twenty eight.

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 7>I came out earlier than that, is queer like just

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 7>generally like all right, I'm gonna start dressing different and

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 7>kissing different.

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 1>At similar thing for me honestly.

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.240
<v Speaker 7>So everybody just thought I was a gay man.

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean so I couldn't.

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 7>I just like therapy wasn't enough, Like I needed to

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 7>like basically re enact my life to like actually understand.

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 4>No, like I mean fucking put it on a T shirt.

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 4>Like it really wasn't.

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.800
<v Speaker 7>Like I was just caught in these dumb cycles of

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 7>just like recreating like just the toxic structures I grew

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:30.760
<v Speaker 7>up around.

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.439
<v Speaker 1>It's very senecticy New York.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll take it.

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of Charlie Kaufman as as an aside as someone

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 3>that I've always thought as secretly trans too.

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I.

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 7>Will never I will never assign that to anybody, but

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 7>he's his work does, especially that last one has a

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 7>very uh vibe to it.

0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of ending things.

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, no, it does, like all if, all of

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.879
<v Speaker 3>his screenplays, all of his movies have some kind of

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 3>like gender bending and them to some degree. There's like

0:45:15.440 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Cameron Diaz and Who's goat like wants to be John Malkovich,

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 3>And there's like, uh fuck, what's his other goddamn movies?

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>It that's a matter.

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I'm firmly against uh self, I ding for

0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:35.439
<v Speaker 3>other people, as we've taken stros numerous times.

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 4>But well is trans.

0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm sorry, no, but I love it. I don't know,

0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 7>and like I mean it tone complimentary too when I

0:45:52.200 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 7>say it about him, because like I just like it's

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:57.359
<v Speaker 7>why I've always connected with his art and like Ari

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 7>Aster too and both Cronenbergs. I'm like, like, I it's

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 7>like I don't know, like really good ally filmmakers or.

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Something Charlie Kaufman.

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>There's something I also know that his book ant Kind

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 3>has a lot of uh like intense gender bending stuff

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.879
<v Speaker 3>at a I definitely see like something very like transcendent

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:21.960
<v Speaker 3>and like the work of Cronenberg in the way that

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know it's all it's all about, like

0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of like the next yeah new flesh.

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or fucking his last.

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:33.879
<v Speaker 3>Movie, Crimes of the Future, is about one of Yeah,

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 3>it's one of the most trans movies I've ever seen. Like,

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:41.280
<v Speaker 3>surgery is the new sex, Like, I mean, are you

0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 3>like I remember like feeling really smart when I thought

0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.720
<v Speaker 3>about that as like surgery, Like if you think about

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.359
<v Speaker 3>like sex, like not as like the physical act, but

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.360
<v Speaker 3>sex as like you know, gender, like surgery is the

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 3>new sex. Like it makes like even more sense. But yeah,

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 3>Crimes of the Future is an awesome movie.

0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fucking I.

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 7>Love them existence too, Like they like in that one

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 7>basically have like like weird little like like pussies installed

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 7>in their tailbones.

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Awesome. Yeah, it's very cool. It's very cool.

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of Yannic

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 3>imagery and in his films, Video Drone being another very

0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 3>obvious one.

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>And crash. I mean that like Jesus Christ extensively on

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the pod.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a beautiful movie, Like God, damn, I'll let

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.000
<v Speaker 3>you borrow it if you want. I don't have a

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 3>media player, what well, let me borrow that too.

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.919
<v Speaker 1>You can't borrow my Xbox. I need it. I need

0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:52.240
<v Speaker 1>it to get drunk and play an avy cart and yeah, yeah, I'll.

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Put it on a thumb drive and mail it to you.

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.319
<v Speaker 3>So what's next for Vera Drew? Are we doing the

0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:00.320
<v Speaker 3>People's the People's Jigsaw?

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 7>I would love to make a fucking Saw movie, but

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 7>I would love to get hired to make one, like,

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.960
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, if I like, please like, I will,

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.200
<v Speaker 7>I'll take any studio notes.

0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I will, I will, I will like we need as

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:17.760
<v Speaker 1>much to a Saw?

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I mean that's another series that also there's

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 7>something about Saw that feels.

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, we've been talking. We talked about this with liking.

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:30.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, maybe this is a conversation.

0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get so many things covered by insurance

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 2>right now for my gender affirming surgeries and whatnot, and

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.959
<v Speaker 2>I am having the hardest time, and Janey just keeps

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>telling me about the plot of Sauce six, which is

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 2>when the insurance.

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 3>It's torturing a bunch of insurance executives.

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it should be.

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Something of that nature, you know, Like I was thinking,

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 3>like the People's Jigsaw would be like it's like a

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.799
<v Speaker 3>guy who's like like bullied trans women like.

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Takes up and.

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:06.840
<v Speaker 3>He's like like uh, he's like on like a scale, right,

0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 3>and he's got to make the scale like increase in

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 3>weight or it's something like squishes his entire body really slowly,

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and he's got to like insert like breasts and plants

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:22.800
<v Speaker 3>like under he's got to give himself a book job

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.600
<v Speaker 3>and then he understands gender dysphoria.

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 7>From that, it's like about creating sympathy.

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's beautiful.

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:36.840
<v Speaker 7>I had a saw porno idea that was called Scissor,

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 7>and it was like the idea was basically like putting.

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 7>It was all about like cuckolding and like basically like

0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.880
<v Speaker 7>putting like you know, rich executives wives into these like

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:53.080
<v Speaker 7>machines that turn them lesbian and stuff. Was my initial.

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:55.799
<v Speaker 7>You can feel free to cut that, keep it. I

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:56.319
<v Speaker 7>don't give a.

0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 1>It's easy to just keepe it me pushing.

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 4>It by answering what I'm actually working on next.

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:14.040
<v Speaker 7>I just edited Alice McKay's new feature, which is a

0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.480
<v Speaker 7>Christmas slasher movie called Carnage for Christmas.

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't know when that's coming out.

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.600
<v Speaker 7>I know it's like hitting festivals this year, but that's

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 7>super fucking awesome and cool.

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.360
<v Speaker 3>If it comes out by Christmas, that's perfect.

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:30.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I hope I hopefully hopefully does. And then yeah,

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:36.359
<v Speaker 7>I'm writing two things right now. One of them's kind

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 7>of that like body horror idea I was describing, but

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:42.680
<v Speaker 7>you know, like I had a lot of stuff that

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:47.160
<v Speaker 7>I left from that when I took a lot of

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 7>it for Joker, and that's hopefully coming out soon. I

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 7>haven't really said what it's about too much yet, so

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 7>I don't really know if I.

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Want to do that. But have you, like, have you

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.359
<v Speaker 1>been shooting it or are you just still like I'm like.

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm I've got like a script in and we're putting

0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 7>another one together to hopefully start getting some cast.

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Are do you mostly film in La?

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 7>We filmed Joker in La. I think this next thing

0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 7>is probably going to be in Canada, just because I'm

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 7>developing it with this Canadian production company called Stellar Citizens,

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:24.880
<v Speaker 7>and I kind of like the idea of shooting it

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:29.560
<v Speaker 7>in Canada just because like it's set in a suburb

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.760
<v Speaker 7>of Chicago, and like I just I kind of wanted

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:35.279
<v Speaker 7>to have like this nineties movie vibe where like and

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:37.640
<v Speaker 7>like every nineties movie is like fucking shot in Vancouver,

0:51:37.760 --> 0:51:42.400
<v Speaker 7>when it's like, yes, Chicago, Chicago or yeah Home Alone.

0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:44.800
<v Speaker 3>No Home Alone was actually Chicago, right.

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 1>That's Home Alone.

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they actually that was.

0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it's just like that's not the example

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.240
<v Speaker 3>that I thought you would use for a movie Nineties houses.

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I think if Home Alone, you know, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought I thought you were saying like movies

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 3>that were like shot like in like Vancouver as a

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:05.440
<v Speaker 3>substitute for New York.

0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.479
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Like I think like they use Toronto a lot

0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.879
<v Speaker 7>for Chicago in the nineties and Vancouver for New York.

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 5>And and then.

0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I love me some X File.

0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I love it when they're like the only episodes

0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 7>that have any realism is when they're actually in the

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 7>Pacific Northwest, because like every other one's like there, we're

0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:30.360
<v Speaker 7>in southern California and there's just like a gorgeous forest

0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:31.920
<v Speaker 7>and mountain range behind them.

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Like lesh ferns and like moss and everything. Yet Yeah,

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 3>and they don't have to like use like like any

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:41.919
<v Speaker 3>kind of effects for like the aliens and stuff because

0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.080
<v Speaker 3>those are just out there. Yeah, like they're there you

0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 3>can find in Canada. I did just kind of want

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 3>to ask, like, so like now that like it's out

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, the movie, the movie is out and people

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:59.000
<v Speaker 3>can see it, Like how has I feel like you

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 3>kind of answered this hall, but like how's how's the

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 3>reception then? Like, because I believe me, I really appreciate

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:09.879
<v Speaker 3>that you made something that just certainly speaks to the

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.239
<v Speaker 3>kind of like trannisphere that like birth birth.

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:14.840
<v Speaker 1>To I love that term.

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Is the broader uh movie watching Spectrum are the Are

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:20.520
<v Speaker 3>they rocking with the people's joker?

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:23.040
<v Speaker 4>I mean I guess you know.

0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:27.920
<v Speaker 7>During the limbo period, like I was screening it a lot,

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 7>like we did. We did a lot of secret screenings.

0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 7>I did a whole tour in Australia. The movie like

0:53:34.600 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 7>is kind of like a cult classic in Australia, which

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 7>is fucking just amazing, I think because it's kind of

0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:45.400
<v Speaker 7>it has like an edge Lord recovering edge Lord vibe

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.879
<v Speaker 7>to it, and like Australia really appreciates that.

0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I have some Australian listeners. Shout out to our

0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 2>Australian listeners.

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I love that's cool.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.319
<v Speaker 4>My favorite maybe my favorite place I've ever been.

0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:02.399
<v Speaker 3>Aw I've got Jinda Desria too, mate.

0:54:06.520 --> 0:54:10.359
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, we so we did screenings, like a bunch

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 7>of screenings all over you know, North America too, at

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 7>festivals and the movie Like it seems like people really

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 7>fucking love this movie, Like it really it's really resonated.

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 7>I think with both you know, trans people and like

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:25.560
<v Speaker 7>and SIS audiences.

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.880
<v Speaker 4>Like, you know, I get why.

0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 7>It's a tough sell for some CIS people just because like,

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, it's I guess it's sad to think about

0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:37.280
<v Speaker 7>us or something.

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I feel like a lot of CIS and straight

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:45.880
<v Speaker 3>people will like just be turned off by the nature

0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 3>of like they'll see that it's like a queer movie

0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 3>and be like, oh, this isn't for me.

0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:53.959
<v Speaker 2>Or they don't feel safe making fun. So I feel

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:57.319
<v Speaker 2>like there's like an element of that, Yeah, am I

0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:58.279
<v Speaker 2>okay laughing at them?

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.120
<v Speaker 7>It's so that's my favorite audience though, is like because

0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:04.879
<v Speaker 7>like there's there's so many jokes in the movie that

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 7>like it's it is like uncomfortable for SIS people to

0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:13.760
<v Speaker 7>laugh at it, like just just about you know, coding

0:55:13.840 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 7>and whippets and you.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Know, all the all the stuff that's like.

0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 4>So like I don't know, like I feel like SIS

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 4>people could appreciate it.

0:55:22.640 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 7>I mean, like if you have a bad relationship with

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 7>your mom, this movie's for you.

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:32.319
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like me. Yeah, I wish my mom was

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 2>the mom in Canada. Who I know.

0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 7>There's there's been I mean, like the experience of having

0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 7>it really resonate with people has been really cool and

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:46.919
<v Speaker 7>like I was never really I couldn't have imagined having

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 7>this much exposure this early in my career, and like

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.319
<v Speaker 7>there have been a lot of interactions with people after

0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 7>screenings and stuff that have been like just because of

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 7>how much it's like resonated with people, Like they've been

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 7>very intense interactions, Like I like this girl came up

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 7>to me out of screening like basically hyperventilating, uh because

0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 7>of just like how much it like resonated with her.

0:56:10.640 --> 0:56:12.280
<v Speaker 4>And I was just like.

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:17.719
<v Speaker 7>Ah, yeah, I'm mentally ill too, so I gotta go,

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.400
<v Speaker 7>like I'm sorry, I can't.

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Like it's it's kind of it's intense.

0:56:22.760 --> 0:56:26.520
<v Speaker 7>But it's cool though, because like it has forced me

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 7>to really like I've really gotten my shit together in

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.960
<v Speaker 7>this process. Like I someday I'll be able to like

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:37.200
<v Speaker 7>talk all about it. But like TIF, the TIF experience

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 7>was like literally the most traumatic experience of my life.

0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:42.759
<v Speaker 7>Like it was it was really it was heartbreaking and

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 7>really uh kind of ripped apart my life, uh to

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 7>be quite honest, and like I had this opportunity to

0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 7>you know make my life worse with various things that

0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.359
<v Speaker 7>I've done in the past to do that, and like

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 7>I also had this other chance to really just like

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:06.000
<v Speaker 7>lean into the shit that works and lean on you know,

0:57:06.360 --> 0:57:10.600
<v Speaker 7>the people that helped me make it, like both to

0:57:10.760 --> 0:57:13.400
<v Speaker 7>like get me back out there and go like, no,

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:15.480
<v Speaker 7>it's good, like we got to keep let's just keep

0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:19.919
<v Speaker 7>showing it, and like they haven't done anything yet, so

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 7>like let's just do it. And yeah, it's It's been

0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:27.600
<v Speaker 7>a real cool opportunity to grow and I feel very

0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 7>lucky to have been able to like you know make

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 7>it and have it not only like get interest in

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 7>like future projects in mine and stuff like the fact

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:38.840
<v Speaker 7>that I could like get to have conversations like this,

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 7>but also just like, yeah, it's it did kind of

0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 7>heal some trauma and help me develop some better tools

0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 7>for dealing with being in this like horrible fucking nightmare reality.

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, And it sounds like it's it's helping other

0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:01.160
<v Speaker 3>people deal with that too, which is a very special thing.

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, It's all all I could ask for.

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 7>And and also like I'm looking forward to like some

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.360
<v Speaker 7>trans people seeing it and just having the experience going

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:11.560
<v Speaker 7>like Okay, it's fine or it's not for me, Like

0:58:11.680 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 7>I really I hope it at the very least, Like

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.640
<v Speaker 7>it just feels good to like watch a trans person

0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:22.720
<v Speaker 7>on screen for an entire movie, because that's doesn't happen.

0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Having trans representation means that we will have, uh will

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 3>be able to have trans people making mid things, and

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 3>that's okay too. That's a podcast, I mean yeah, And

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 3>it doesn't have to be like contingent on like there

0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 3>like like gender, sex or whatever, Like it can just

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 3>be mid because it's mid.

0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's a beauty in that too.

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 7>Having now met like the uh kind of bland toothless

0:58:56.040 --> 0:59:01.720
<v Speaker 7>trans filmmakers that I kind of hinted that like just

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:04.240
<v Speaker 7>the you know, the kind of like people making like

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 7>assimilation is start Like having met like trans people like

0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:11.080
<v Speaker 7>that now, I'm like, oh my god, like it gave

0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 7>me hope, like because it's just like, yeah, we're like

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.320
<v Speaker 7>actually we're starting to enter the economy, like they're gonna

0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:20.400
<v Speaker 7>not be able to like ignore us anymore. Like it's

0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.400
<v Speaker 7>it's kind of like I'm glad I don't have to

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:27.600
<v Speaker 7>fill that role uh too much, but yeah, it's.

0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:30.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm very glad that you are out here making something

0:59:30.960 --> 0:59:34.960
<v Speaker 3>that's like truly like transgressive and something that's like actually

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:39.200
<v Speaker 3>like ruffling people's feathers. Like I I love to see that.

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:43.600
<v Speaker 3>I would love that over any other kinds of.

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, like.

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:49.680
<v Speaker 3>Assimilationist art like whatever whatever you want to call it,

0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:53.040
<v Speaker 3>whatever it is. I that that's the kind of art

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:56.360
<v Speaker 3>that is not for me in any way.

0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:00.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I love I love that you're actually.

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Doing something transgressive because that's always like, that's that's what

1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I go for in like pretty much all arts, like

1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:10.880
<v Speaker 3>whether it's like queer, trans or what. And I can

1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 3>definitely say the same for like meeting like uh and

1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:18.160
<v Speaker 3>being involved in like trans musicians and stuff where it's

1:00:18.200 --> 1:00:25.120
<v Speaker 3>like oh you just honey, like I don't know who

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 3>you think you're like pissing off with here. But anyway, well.

1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 4>It's you know, we like live, we live in a society.

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Uh that's true. That's true.

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<v Speaker 7>We're all like literally everybody now acts like they are transgressive.

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 7>Like yeah, literally, it's it's kind of like, especially at

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:48.040
<v Speaker 7>least in America, like it's it's like our national identity,

1:00:48.080 --> 1:00:49.680
<v Speaker 7>and I feel like it's kind of always been there,

1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 7>but like it's to this like obnoxious degree now and

1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.960
<v Speaker 7>uh yeah, I don't know, it's it's so it's also

1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:01.560
<v Speaker 7>just very frustrating for me, just as somebody who like

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:05.320
<v Speaker 7>grew up on like fucking Jerry Springer and like Howard

1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:08.520
<v Speaker 7>Stern and like John Waters and shit, like the fact

1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:12.360
<v Speaker 7>that like the worst people have like staked their claim

1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:16.240
<v Speaker 7>on like offensive comedy, like in like queer people don't

1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:19.360
<v Speaker 7>own it anymore. Like I'm like, right, well, that is

1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 7>what we're actually losing. Like I actually think we're making

1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:26.040
<v Speaker 7>progress like as a whole, but I think like culturally,

1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:29.120
<v Speaker 7>like trans people really need to rise up and take

1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:32.600
<v Speaker 7>back just being publicly repulsive.

1:01:32.880 --> 1:01:35.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm tired of jokes about fucking top surgery. We

1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:37.920
<v Speaker 2>don't need any more jokes.

1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he raised a good point because like

1:01:45.080 --> 1:01:48.840
<v Speaker 3>it's not like not just like a left wing problem

1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:55.560
<v Speaker 3>of like comedy being comedy being illegal, because like I'm

1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:57.920
<v Speaker 3>not gonna deny it. There are a lot of like

1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:02.400
<v Speaker 3>very like anti comedy left us, like I've met them,

1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:06.920
<v Speaker 3>like the kind of an annoying trait. Oh yeah, but

1:02:07.000 --> 1:02:09.960
<v Speaker 3>it's also a very big problem. Like it's also fucking

1:02:10.080 --> 1:02:12.600
<v Speaker 3>right wingers are the least funny people on the planet,

1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:18.480
<v Speaker 3>like like Dave Chappelle, like someone who legitimately was a

1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:21.360
<v Speaker 3>very funny person at one point being like I'm.

1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Team Turf, Like have you heard a Turf before?

1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:28.800
<v Speaker 3>They're the most anti comedy people on the planet.

1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Like somebody having a baby, They're gonna like, you know,

1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:33.280
<v Speaker 2>fucking police you on.

1:02:33.240 --> 1:02:34.520
<v Speaker 1>It, dude.

1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:38.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm seeing like right wing people like log on x

1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:41.560
<v Speaker 3>the everything app every day and be like we need

1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:43.920
<v Speaker 3>to stop making fun of the birth of Jesus Christ.

1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:46.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like you are a baby.

1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:51.680
<v Speaker 7>It's like yeah, So, like I don't know, I think

1:02:51.720 --> 1:02:56.520
<v Speaker 7>in general everybody just has we have too much access.

1:02:56.600 --> 1:03:00.480
<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying anything like revolutionary or but like I've

1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:04.760
<v Speaker 7>become very like Boomer about like philosophically when it comes

1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:08.040
<v Speaker 7>to social media, but like same, it really is just

1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:11.440
<v Speaker 7>like we have way too much access to all everybody,

1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:17.840
<v Speaker 7>like even my friends, Like I know everybody's like toilet

1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:20.600
<v Speaker 7>thoughts now, you know, like I know every single.

1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the funny way to put it, mental diarrhea.

1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:29.320
<v Speaker 2>We're not built to process like every person that we

1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:33.000
<v Speaker 2>like remotely or like even kind of know their every

1:03:33.040 --> 1:03:36.720
<v Speaker 2>internal thought and like political feelings and all of that.

1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just so much to like hold.

1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:45.480
<v Speaker 2>We're meant to like yeah, like eat, sleep, shit, breathe

1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and like watch a movie I don't know.

1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:51.959
<v Speaker 7>Pray and and and uh and salute the flag.

1:03:52.400 --> 1:03:55.160
<v Speaker 1>To lay flat, to lay flat and watch I need

1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to lay flat. I want to do that is like me, you.

1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:02.120
<v Speaker 7>Know, no, it's it's so I don't know, like it's

1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:04.320
<v Speaker 7>I think about it all the time too, Like like

1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:06.600
<v Speaker 7>Twitter has always kind of been this, you know, like

1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:11.680
<v Speaker 7>I follow ship posters and sex workers and then news

1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:15.880
<v Speaker 7>accountings and then activists, so like yeah, it's the whatever

1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:19.600
<v Speaker 7>she's doing just seeing all this, just seeing like poorn

1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:24.160
<v Speaker 7>like dead body then like a ex slur joke and

1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:28.160
<v Speaker 7>then like yeah then Jennie, It's like it's like literally

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<v Speaker 7>mk Ultra. Yeah, oh my god, no, they would they

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<v Speaker 7>would get.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like having in your pocket the access to like

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<v Speaker 3>the ending of two thousand and one, where just like

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<v Speaker 3>going through like all these colors of like instead of

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<v Speaker 3>like looking at it with this like transcendent like sense

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<v Speaker 3>of like horrified eyes wide like oh my god, you're

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<v Speaker 3>just like okay, right, oh okay, all right, okay.

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<v Speaker 7>I started meditating a couple of years ago, like after

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<v Speaker 7>years of trying to just because like I wicked ADHD

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<v Speaker 7>and like sitting still is very hard for me. It

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<v Speaker 7>finally stuck and like thank god, just because like I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, I'm so addicted to my my phone and

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<v Speaker 7>social media, like I I become a lot better. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>especially now that I like, now that I actually get ship,

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<v Speaker 7>like I almost got like I got like soft canceled

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<v Speaker 7>about AI the other day, like it's it's.

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<v Speaker 4>So not fun being on.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So like yeah, it's like it's become a lot

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<v Speaker 7>easier for me to have healthy boundaries with it. But

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<v Speaker 7>like I, yeah, I can't. I don't want to be

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<v Speaker 7>any more desensitized than I already am to like violence

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<v Speaker 7>and horrible shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I got soft canceled for saying something bad

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<v Speaker 3>about Green Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it sucks dude anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can't even have like the I will say,

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<v Speaker 3>like this isn't exactly new to like the post elon

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<v Speaker 3>like Twitter thing like this is always kind of yeah

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<v Speaker 3>how it goes, but that's still bad, Like that's still

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<v Speaker 3>not like a healthy way to like, uh, interact with

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<v Speaker 3>the world, you know, Like no.

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<v Speaker 7>It's really not and I don't I just don't really

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<v Speaker 7>know what people get out of it beyond like it's

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<v Speaker 7>just so mean and like I dun'k I dunk on people,

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<v Speaker 7>Like I watched the entirety of True Detective Night Country

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<v Speaker 7>and like and tweeted about it every second I was

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<v Speaker 7>watching it, and like I was mean.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking about a.

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<v Speaker 7>Bad show, Like I wasn't like your ideas suck and

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<v Speaker 7>like everything like just like having.

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<v Speaker 3>People a little mad about it. So it's so crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>how dah Detective Night Country?

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<v Speaker 4>Thankfully nobody can.

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<v Speaker 7>I tried to cancel me for I feel like Night

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<v Speaker 7>Country was so bad that like the.

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<v Speaker 3>People watched it the whole time just confused. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>do I like this? Do I hate this?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I like what it was?

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<v Speaker 7>Like Twin Peaks the Return or something like it was.

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<v Speaker 7>So it was just because it was kind of boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the return as incredible, but like.

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<v Speaker 7>You know what I mean, like the weird like just

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<v Speaker 7>stationary shots and like still like it's just like it

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<v Speaker 7>was so stilted and weird.

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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting because I didn't watch it, but I did

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<v Speaker 3>watch True Detective season two and a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 3>like cribbed from Twin Peaks, like it's pretty pretty like

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<v Speaker 3>egregiously too in a way that really like turned me off.

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<v Speaker 3>But that being said, I kind of like season two

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<v Speaker 3>even though it was it was stupid, but like I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like a.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta, we gotta, we gotta. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, uh yeah, I'm glad you're out here doing what

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Very for I think I think I mean that pass.

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<v Speaker 4>Like talking talking to my parents or something.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, well, well that's rushing me out. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>gonna shut my laptop a long way.

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<v Speaker 5>Let you.

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<v Speaker 1>Great theole you tell people when.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh no, you're not the asshole jam thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>I love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you tell people when they can catch the screenings

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<v Speaker 3>of the People's Joker.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So it's we're kind of like rolling it out

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<v Speaker 7>sort of road show style, starting April fifth, uh in

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<v Speaker 7>New York at the I f C Center, and then uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>we're going to like thirty plus cities from there pretty much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>like all the all the big ones and yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 7>gonna be play coming to it. I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 7>doing Q and as at the screening in New York,

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<v Speaker 7>the one in La, A couple in La, probably Atlanta, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 7>and uh, I do I know, I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 7>I love the South and I don't. I'm just so

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<v Speaker 7>burnt out from traveling from last year. Like it was

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<v Speaker 7>I really realized last year, like, oh, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 7>road dog. I'm I'm very soft. I need my bed,

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<v Speaker 7>I need my cats like I can't. I like can't

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<v Speaker 7>not like smoke a pack a day when I'm traveling either,

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<v Speaker 7>Like it's constantly when I'm traveling.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 7>Same, It's it's just not I'm like the worst, but

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<v Speaker 7>like you know, I'm going. So I'm going to a

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<v Speaker 7>few fun cities to do Q and as and and Hey,

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<v Speaker 7>if you want me to come to your city, Uh,

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<v Speaker 7>find some theater that's willing to fly me out, Like

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<v Speaker 7>I I'll do it. It's also just very expensive to

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<v Speaker 7>do but but yeah, we'll be playing a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>different places.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>And you can get tickets at the People's Joker dot

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<v Speaker 7>com or Altered Innocence dot com. That's our distributor. Altered

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<v Speaker 7>Innocence is great. They have a really amazing catalog of films.

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<v Speaker 7>If you're interested in queer films at all, check it out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>they just did a She is Conan good. It's amazing

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm Vera Drew twenty two on all the social media.

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<v Speaker 1>All the everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, Vera, it was it was so great

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you. I can't wait to see this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Having you beatie translated I think bonus movie at review

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, thank you, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You well, Jannie. That was a fantastic interview with Vera Drew.

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<v Speaker 2>I am really fucking excited to go see The People's

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<v Speaker 2>Joker together when it comes out in theaters next month. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>do we want to take some calls?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's take some motherfucking calls. Let's hear what people

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<v Speaker 3>got us.

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<v Speaker 1>Roll these tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>First, one is a callback on a on a on

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<v Speaker 2>a love affair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh a follow up. Follow up. Yeah, oh yeah, love

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<v Speaker 1>our first follow up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, follow up if you if you've called us and

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<v Speaker 3>you want to give us more follow up.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, girls, I'm calling again. It's me Victoria.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>I already gave Carmen some context for background information, but

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<v Speaker 5>I basically I have another dilemma. And I was dating

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<v Speaker 5>this guy last year. We'll call him mister key Shane.

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<v Speaker 5>We were seeing each other for like four months, and

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<v Speaker 5>out of those four months, you know, we saw each

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<v Speaker 5>other three times. It was really hard to set up

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<v Speaker 5>a day. He was really inconsistent, and on the last date,

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<v Speaker 5>I had gotten back from Japan and I brought him

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<v Speaker 5>a cute key Shane and a couple of days later,

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<v Speaker 5>I get a message from him from his phone with

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<v Speaker 5>a video of the Keyshane in the trash can and

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<v Speaker 5>a message that said he has a girlfriend and thanks

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<v Speaker 5>thanks for the gift, and we lived together.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad.

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<v Speaker 5>I basically laughed, because, of course, of course this is happening,

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<v Speaker 5>Like how cliche can this be? Like, of course, this

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<v Speaker 5>is like the most cliche thing that could happen to

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<v Speaker 5>a transpop that's dating a straight man. Anyways, I just

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<v Speaker 5>assumed he didn't break up with his girlfriend that he

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<v Speaker 5>has told me about. That he broke up like a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of months ago, which is why he wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>take things slow because it was a long distance relate

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<v Speaker 5>I mean a long term relationship. So he basically disappeared.

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<v Speaker 5>He never like talked to me again. I didn't also

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<v Speaker 5>like inquire more like I just laughed and ignored everything else.

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<v Speaker 5>So fast forward to last week, I had gotten a message.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a message from him apologizing and asking if

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<v Speaker 5>we can meet up so he can explain what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>So we met up last Friday, and he basically told

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<v Speaker 5>me that he went on a date with this girl

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<v Speaker 5>and she got really wasted and drunk and couldn't drive

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<v Speaker 5>back home, so he let her stay in his spare room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and basically never left, and she squatted in his apartment

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<v Speaker 5>and forced him basically to get into a relationship with him.

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<v Speaker 5>And he's a type of pride that doesn't know how

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<v Speaker 5>to say non and has a hard time setting boundaries.

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<v Speaker 5>He's lying anyways, after she did all that, she sent

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<v Speaker 5>that message and she basically shit it on every of

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<v Speaker 5>his contacts. He had to delete his social media accounts

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<v Speaker 5>and change numbers. He's lying Anyways, he feels really shitty

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<v Speaker 5>for any says that he might have cost me given me.

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<v Speaker 5>He doesn't want to get into a relationship super fast,

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<v Speaker 5>but he wants to pick up where we left stop.

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<v Speaker 5>Should I believe him and give him one another shams?

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<v Speaker 5>Or is this just he's just like lying and like

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<v Speaker 5>you're going through like hoops and like hurdles, who like

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<v Speaker 5>hide the fact that he's like in a relationship or

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't really want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get into a.

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<v Speaker 5>Relationship with a trans girl. I don't know. He's also by,

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<v Speaker 5>so I don't see why he would be You mean

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<v Speaker 5>he would act that weight?

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<v Speaker 1>Well you said straight? Is he by? Or is he straight?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in we're splitting hairs.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, I'm really hung up on the keychain because

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<v Speaker 3>that's very like mean and dramatic and I'm like shallow

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit, so like that would be like the

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<v Speaker 3>like no, I'm never talking to again, Like it's one

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<v Speaker 3>thing to just like I don't know, like break up

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<v Speaker 3>with me, like unprompted and like no.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a girl that he's living with that is

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<v Speaker 2>apparently squad So apparently he has according to this story,

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<v Speaker 2>he has a girl that is squatting with him that

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<v Speaker 2>is apparently his girlfriend. But he says that it's just

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<v Speaker 2>some girl that stayed the night with him and just

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<v Speaker 2>never went home, which is a bunch of bulls.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't believe that for her, that's a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of Yeah, I don't believe that for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the text message was from the girl from

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<v Speaker 2>his phone sending him sending her a picture of the

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<v Speaker 2>key chain in the trash can, saying he has a

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend already, blah blahhh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, that makes all right. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he was saying like and no, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a bit confused. Okay, I would say you

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<v Speaker 3>need to get contact with that girl and say, diva,

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<v Speaker 3>he said that you're a squatter. Uh you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be honest as tempting as it is to like

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<v Speaker 3>be like messy and blow up his spot like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>if you do that, Like it sounds like this girl's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of crazy, and it sounds like crazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like girls like that aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>They're never like reasonable and they're never like going to

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<v Speaker 3>be like oh, yeah, you're right. He's the one that

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<v Speaker 3>was cheating on me and he's bad. That girl is

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be like, and where are you. I'm gonna fight you, right,

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to try to fight you, like there's no

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<v Speaker 3>rational thinking. I hooked up with a guy a few

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<v Speaker 3>years ago, and I don't know it. It was very

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<v Speaker 3>like normal, like like he just came over, we like

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<v Speaker 3>had sex, and he went home. And then the next

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<v Speaker 3>day I get like a call from my roommate that's

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<v Speaker 3>like there's some crazy girl at our house who's like

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<v Speaker 3>banging on the door and it's like asking for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, what the fuck? But tell them I

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<v Speaker 3>don't live there, Lie, tell tell them to leave. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't live there. You haven't seen me, you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>who I am. And my roommate was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I told her where you were or something. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what the fuck back.

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<v Speaker 3>Fortunately, they never like showed up or anything, but I

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<v Speaker 3>remember like texting him and being like what the hell

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<v Speaker 3>is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, oh, yeah, this girl.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically gave me a very like similar Lie was like, yeah,

1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:15.400
<v Speaker 3>I've been like staying with my ex girlfriend and we're

1:17:15.439 --> 1:17:19.200
<v Speaker 3>not together, but we like lived together. And she went

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<v Speaker 3>through my phone and found out that I went over

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<v Speaker 3>and saw you. I was like, you could you could

1:17:24.760 --> 1:17:26.719
<v Speaker 3>on it, You could be honest, Like you can just say,

1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.240
<v Speaker 3>like I was cheating on my girlfriend and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>tell you, like honestly, I like I get it, like

1:17:33.439 --> 1:17:37.160
<v Speaker 3>like that's still wrong, but like I understand that, you know,

1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:40.599
<v Speaker 3>you don't have to make up For some reason, guys

1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:44.439
<v Speaker 3>like feel the need to like make up some kind

1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:46.400
<v Speaker 3>of like story like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it makes them feel better what they're doing. Yeah,

1:17:50.720 --> 1:17:53.560
<v Speaker 3>even though it's they it's a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I just I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of what I would compare this story to

1:17:58.080 --> 1:18:00.720
<v Speaker 3>is because it's like it's something that's like just so

1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:07.200
<v Speaker 3>clearly like lie, but they're just going with it anyway.

1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:10.760
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, there's no way like even if I got

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<v Speaker 3>in contact with this girl, I was like, hey, because

1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:16.720
<v Speaker 3>this girl, this is like an angry Italian girl that's

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<v Speaker 3>like came to my house to kill me. Like there's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be like any reasoning with that. Stop

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<v Speaker 3>trying to guess who it is that we can talk

1:18:26.280 --> 1:18:31.360
<v Speaker 3>about that later stuff. Uh yeah, we can, we can

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<v Speaker 3>talk about that later. I don't I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>get this angry fucking little house of gucci ass bitch

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<v Speaker 3>at my house again.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just avoid of Gucci. Let's avoid doing that

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<v Speaker 1>for now.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, there's there there would have been no reasoning

1:18:52.280 --> 1:18:54.800
<v Speaker 3>with me like that that like.

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<v Speaker 2>Italian when somebody's mindset is already that the the other

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<v Speaker 2>person is the problem and not the person who's cheating

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<v Speaker 2>is the problem, like there's already no way to logically

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like you're just stupid and yeah, like exactly,

1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:22.200
<v Speaker 2>you're stupid, and like your boyfriend is the problem, you know, Yeah,

1:19:22.240 --> 1:19:23.679
<v Speaker 2>and he called you a squatter bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you gonna do about it? I'm getting dumb,

1:19:25.560 --> 1:19:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah I know. Yeah, no that is like yeah, no,

1:19:30.280 --> 1:19:34.280
<v Speaker 3>you're right, like that is crazy and no, I just

1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:39.200
<v Speaker 3>from my experience with I don't know, little firecrackers like that,

1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:42.760
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to like, I don't know, just walk away, right,

1:19:42.920 --> 1:19:45.360
<v Speaker 3>just walk away and this girl's gonna drive to your

1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:48.680
<v Speaker 3>house and you just don't Like I saw her Instagram

1:19:48.720 --> 1:19:50.960
<v Speaker 3>and she was like posing with like guns and shit.

1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:54.799
<v Speaker 3>I was like no, like, no, I don't want anything

1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:56.360
<v Speaker 3>to do with this. Okay, I don't think I actually

1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:59.320
<v Speaker 3>know that. Later, yeah no, it was like that was

1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:03.160
<v Speaker 3>so funny. Yeah, no, you don't want you just walk away.

1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:06.599
<v Speaker 3>You don't want no part of this dewey like walk

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<v Speaker 3>away is you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want anything to do with the guy, because all

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to do is just like a lot more

1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:14.479
<v Speaker 2>and more lies. Like he's gonna come up with like

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<v Speaker 2>more and more lies all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like, right, I mean, in a perfect world,

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<v Speaker 3>you could reason with this girl and then you and

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<v Speaker 3>her start up a very like sapphic relationship where you

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<v Speaker 3>go on like a crime spree together, and that would

1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:34.400
<v Speaker 3>be like starting that's like the perfect ending here, starting

1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:35.360
<v Speaker 3>with robbing this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, starting with tying him up.

1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:42.240
<v Speaker 3>Robbing him you accidentally like, uh, tie him up too tight,

1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:43.600
<v Speaker 3>it cuts off the circulation.

1:20:44.120 --> 1:20:48.080
<v Speaker 1>He dies, You got to cover it up. And then

1:20:48.280 --> 1:20:51.280
<v Speaker 1>it's an episode of p Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's it's you know, the movie Jawbreaker happens

1:20:56.479 --> 1:20:59.679
<v Speaker 3>and uh yeah that that that would be the ideal

1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:01.920
<v Speaker 3>day for this, but that's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Leading there's plenty of other bisexual fish in the sea,

1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:11.840
<v Speaker 3>and uh yeah, just you gotta go deadly as catch

1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:15.640
<v Speaker 3>go grab a different one. She's going to I know

1:21:15.720 --> 1:21:16.080
<v Speaker 3>she will.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going she's probably doing it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she's doing it right now? And we're proud of you, Carl. Yeah, okay,

1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:25.479
<v Speaker 2>shall we take the next one?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's set up.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, ladies, listen to Ohio here. So I've been looking

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<v Speaker 6>at this place still for about two years now, starting

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<v Speaker 6>about a week before I started hormones, and my coworkers

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<v Speaker 6>I probably look like a fifteen year old boy who

1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:46.120
<v Speaker 6>keeps getting younger, looking like Benjamin Buttons. But recently I've

1:21:46.160 --> 1:21:49.320
<v Speaker 6>been suffering from success and have grown into d cups.

1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:51.559
<v Speaker 6>I hide them of her jackets for the most part

1:21:51.560 --> 1:21:53.720
<v Speaker 6>when I can, and nobody seems to notice, or at

1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:57.160
<v Speaker 6>least nobody has mentioned them. With the summer coming up

1:21:57.200 --> 1:22:00.280
<v Speaker 6>and my job requiring to the collectivity, binding doesn't really

1:22:00.320 --> 1:22:03.759
<v Speaker 6>seem plausible to maintain stealth. What are the best ways

1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:08.120
<v Speaker 6>to explain away suddenly having booths to coworkers? Please don't

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<v Speaker 6>call me a boy motor, I'll lose it.

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<v Speaker 3>Say that you're trans Yeah, the way to explain it?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you want me to tell you? You could

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<v Speaker 3>say that you're in the plot of a titan and

1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:25.080
<v Speaker 3>you had sex with a vehicle that got you pregnant

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<v Speaker 3>and now you've been binding, and the one day and

1:22:29.800 --> 1:22:32.879
<v Speaker 3>say the baby's coming soon and you can't keep binding anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that.

1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:37.200
<v Speaker 2>You're even thinking about binding is like, girl, get a

1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:42.439
<v Speaker 2>grip and just face the reality, face the Musicma.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean binding? You got d cups?

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<v Speaker 2>Bitch, I got a fucking a cup and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>on the moons for fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 4>Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Okayah, that's a mate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, you're one of like God's chosen people and

1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:56.800
<v Speaker 3>you want to bind your breasts.

1:22:57.840 --> 1:23:01.800
<v Speaker 1>What are you saying? Uh? No, you gotta let those

1:23:01.800 --> 1:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>puppies fly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>This is very important to me because transit, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>trans history is just something that's very important to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm not going to call you a boy motor

1:23:12.560 --> 1:23:17.360
<v Speaker 3>because uh you're you're not a boy Well I don't know,

1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:20.519
<v Speaker 3>maybe you were. But what I will say is you

1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:24.559
<v Speaker 3>are not stealth. You are in the closet. Okay, now

1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:27.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm in the closet recording this podcast, but in real life,

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<v Speaker 3>I am a trans woman. Now to most people that

1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:37.759
<v Speaker 3>meet me, you might consider me sealth because they assume

1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:41.320
<v Speaker 3>that I'm a sis woman. Being in the closet and

1:23:41.360 --> 1:23:43.519
<v Speaker 3>being stealth are two extremely different things.

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<v Speaker 1>A mandolier.

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<v Speaker 2>That's stealth, honey, Okay, but not being in the closet,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's very important to me.

1:23:51.000 --> 1:23:55.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, stealth doesn't mean like stealth doesn't mean like people

1:23:55.880 --> 1:24:01.280
<v Speaker 3>assume I'm my assigned gender at birds and stealth is

1:24:01.320 --> 1:24:05.480
<v Speaker 3>like people assume that you're like you're you were assigned

1:24:05.600 --> 1:24:09.599
<v Speaker 3>like the opposite gender birth absolutely and no one has

1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:13.240
<v Speaker 3>like detected that you're trans. And stealth is like, I mean,

1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:17.559
<v Speaker 3>that is something that is only bestowed to like the

1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:22.439
<v Speaker 3>like highest echelon of God's Showsen children, like I'm sorry,

1:24:22.439 --> 1:24:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Like Hunter Schaefer is not even someone that's like considered

1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:29.600
<v Speaker 3>like sealth's because we know that she's trans. Yeah, exactly,

1:24:29.800 --> 1:24:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Like like that is like that's not really really I

1:24:34.040 --> 1:24:35.840
<v Speaker 3>think I think Carmen's a little hung up on the

1:24:35.960 --> 1:24:36.439
<v Speaker 3>use of the wa.

1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:36.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It drives me crazy because I see and I'm not

1:24:40.160 --> 1:24:42.920
<v Speaker 2>calling you a boymotor, but I see boymotors do this

1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:45.519
<v Speaker 2>all the time where they say that there's stealth and

1:24:45.520 --> 1:24:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, honey, you're in the closet. You're denying

1:24:47.680 --> 1:24:51.120
<v Speaker 2>your your authenticity. That is not the same thing as being.

1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:55.919
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I understand I understand it from like safety

1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:58.920
<v Speaker 3>concerns and stuff. But like me and you have talked

1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:02.320
<v Speaker 3>about this because like I saw what you went through

1:25:02.320 --> 1:25:04.519
<v Speaker 3>as a teenager, and it made me not want to

1:25:04.520 --> 1:25:07.559
<v Speaker 3>come out because I was like, goddamn, like that looks

1:25:07.560 --> 1:25:08.360
<v Speaker 3>fucking brutal.

1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:10.799
<v Speaker 1>Like, but if you're already doing the mon.

1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:13.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying I don't blame anyone for not wanting

1:25:13.560 --> 1:25:18.400
<v Speaker 3>to go through the brutality of the trans experience. However,

1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:21.640
<v Speaker 3>the thing is, I'll say it's better now than it

1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:23.800
<v Speaker 3>was when I was in high school. True, I mean

1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:28.400
<v Speaker 3>it's it's it's annoying, and I being you're gonna have

1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:30.639
<v Speaker 3>to deal with all, like, yeah, it's in it. Yeah,

1:25:30.720 --> 1:25:35.680
<v Speaker 3>being trans is inconvenient. It's inconvenient having to take hormones

1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:40.800
<v Speaker 3>that align with like how like your body feels like.

1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:44.960
<v Speaker 3>It's inconvenient that other people are just born with lady

1:25:44.960 --> 1:25:47.920
<v Speaker 3>hormones flowing through their body, right, it's inconvenient that other

1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:51.920
<v Speaker 3>people are born with like the body parts that they want.

1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:55.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm still you know, I'm trying to Being.

1:25:56.120 --> 1:26:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Trans is is inconvenient, like by definition, Yeah, but there's

1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:06.080
<v Speaker 3>really no avoiding it, unfortunately, you know, unless at a

1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:08.200
<v Speaker 3>certain point there's not like I mean, I think if

1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:10.640
<v Speaker 3>you're fucking I think the only way to really like

1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:15.000
<v Speaker 3>avoid it is to just like not transition like suppress it. Yeah,

1:26:15.080 --> 1:26:18.479
<v Speaker 3>to suppress it to like a dangerous way like and

1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:21.640
<v Speaker 3>I and I don't. It doesn't sound like you're suppressing

1:26:21.680 --> 1:26:24.400
<v Speaker 3>it if you've been on hormones and have grown fucking

1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:28.120
<v Speaker 3>fat ass cities like that's wow, Like.

1:26:28.280 --> 1:26:31.719
<v Speaker 2>You've got a cunty voice. You've got big fucking d cups.

1:26:31.800 --> 1:26:35.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean that voice was cunty. Okay, you've got tigle bitties.

1:26:36.280 --> 1:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Just fucking it.

1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like people have like noticed already from what you're saying,

1:26:41.040 --> 1:26:43.040
<v Speaker 3>Like they're probably like, God, I wish this girl would

1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:46.000
<v Speaker 3>just hurry up, and fucking's.

1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>That's also possible.

1:26:46.120 --> 1:26:49.000
<v Speaker 3>It's very possible that they're sitting there thinking like, wow,

1:26:49.240 --> 1:26:52.920
<v Speaker 3>this this is a closeted because honestly, again, I guess

1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:56.920
<v Speaker 3>you have an aversion to the word boymot. But I

1:26:57.000 --> 1:27:00.960
<v Speaker 3>can spot a boy motor instantly. Me and Sam were

1:27:01.000 --> 1:27:05.559
<v Speaker 3>watching this game show called The Floor that is really

1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:09.960
<v Speaker 3>fucking stupid, But what one of the contestants was a

1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:15.760
<v Speaker 3>boy motor. Spotted it instantly, and then I did like

1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:18.920
<v Speaker 3>a quick Google search and found out I was completely correct.

1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:23.040
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's not it's something that like, it's just

1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:27.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I feel like, but do some transit,

1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:30.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, come out of the closet. First of all,

1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I think you should find someone that like if because

1:27:33.000 --> 1:27:35.439
<v Speaker 3>if you're worried about like work, then you should just

1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:37.559
<v Speaker 3>find someone at work that like you're close to and

1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:39.800
<v Speaker 3>like tell them and like see how that goes, and

1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:43.480
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna be like we've been talking about it. Maybe

1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:48.240
<v Speaker 3>maybe find out like, uh, if your work has some

1:27:48.320 --> 1:27:53.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of HR policy, you find out, Yeah, if you

1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:56.960
<v Speaker 3>have some kind of like protections there.

1:27:58.240 --> 1:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Maybe find out stuff like that you.

1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:02.759
<v Speaker 3>Got a great losshit on your hands, you know. Maybe

1:28:03.040 --> 1:28:06.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean you can transition with that lawsuit.

1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:06.719
<v Speaker 1>That's true.

1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:09.720
<v Speaker 3>If none of this is fucking working for you, like,

1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:14.559
<v Speaker 3>maybe finds a different job. Like I'm like trying to

1:28:14.600 --> 1:28:16.760
<v Speaker 3>imagine what the job would be that I would not

1:28:16.920 --> 1:28:19.800
<v Speaker 3>like if I were maybe a cop. Okay, yeah, I

1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:21.760
<v Speaker 3>would feel weird coming out as a transfer if you're

1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.880
<v Speaker 3>a cop, stop listening to this show.

1:28:25.000 --> 1:28:27.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't like you, Like, what's the job where I

1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:29.719
<v Speaker 2>would feel uncomfortable coming out as a trans woman.

1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:33.519
<v Speaker 1>I just can't imagine like what I mean, like a

1:28:33.680 --> 1:28:35.960
<v Speaker 1>construction worker. Maybe, yeah, I.

1:28:35.920 --> 1:28:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Guess like a very like a very macho environment. The

1:28:38.280 --> 1:28:41.040
<v Speaker 3>bass player in my band was a construction worker period,

1:28:41.720 --> 1:28:45.719
<v Speaker 3>serving a serving fucking cunts construction work. I know another

1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:48.320
<v Speaker 3>trans woman that does construction work, but she doesn't.

1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Trans women do cool fucking show, but she doesn't boy

1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>mode sheet. I'm sorry, she doesn't do it in the closet.

1:28:53.400 --> 1:28:55.280
<v Speaker 2>She she does it as a trans woman.

1:28:55.479 --> 1:29:00.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm genuinely like all sincerity, Like, if they're

1:29:00.280 --> 1:29:03.599
<v Speaker 3>a piece of context there that we're missing, I would

1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:05.800
<v Speaker 3>love for you to reach out to us, call us.

1:29:05.800 --> 1:29:08.479
<v Speaker 1>Back, even like leave a DM on Instagram or something.

1:29:08.560 --> 1:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I will make my due diligence to like clarify that

1:29:13.120 --> 1:29:15.400
<v Speaker 3>in some way if there's some context we're missing.

1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Aside from that, it seems like you just have.

1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:21.640
<v Speaker 3>An origin an aversion to the word boy motor and

1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:25.920
<v Speaker 3>you're using the word stealth instead, And that's making Carmen

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<v Speaker 3>short circuit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because in my brain, you know, I'm an old

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit of an old head. Okay, I'm an.

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<v Speaker 1>Old Harmon's fifty seven years I'm fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven years old. I've been transitioning for fifteen years. I

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<v Speaker 2>said fifteen years on moans earlier, but I met I've

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<v Speaker 2>been transitioning for fifteen years and I've been on hormones

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<v Speaker 2>for ten years. So I was living as a girl

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time before I got access to hormones,

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<v Speaker 2>which was very, very very difficult. And that was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a time before boy moting was not even

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<v Speaker 2>like that wasn't a thing, like nobody heard of that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what. Like, And I'm not saying this is

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<v Speaker 2>the better way, and this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I'm sure that some people did do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sure people did. But like that means like

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<v Speaker 2>typically that means you're on hormones and that you're.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what this person's discussing.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they're on hormone, they're on hormones, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>still identifying as a as a as a boy in

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<v Speaker 3>real life. I mean, baby, you have like literally two

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<v Speaker 3>options here and the same with a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 3>we get, Yeah, like you literally have just two options.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's like you either come out and tell everyone

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<v Speaker 3>your trans and you've been taking hormones for a while

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<v Speaker 3>and hear my big old titties is scary, Like, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no fucking way around that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coming out as scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless you just start, unless you just move somewhere else,

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<v Speaker 2>start over a new life with a yeah, like, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what people used to do back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>But we don't have to do that anymore. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four. You should be able to come out in

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<v Speaker 2>your workplace, be a trans woman in your workplace, deal

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<v Speaker 2>with whatever kind of strife may come, and just know

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to get better.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I just want to reiterate I do understand

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<v Speaker 3>not wanting to deal with that. I do, But it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like you have already taken a lot of steps

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<v Speaker 3>towards like I don't know, it's it sounds like this

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>The last hurdle for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, like you've already like done like yeah, like Carmen said,

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<v Speaker 3>your voice is cunty, I'm sure you look hot, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure Like if people have commented on you like

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<v Speaker 3>reverse aging, like I mean, it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 2>A discreet way of them being like, oh, so, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your HRT regimen? You know, because literally no, since people

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, they know what SPIRO is, they

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<v Speaker 2>know what estradle is. They know what they know all

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<v Speaker 2>this shit, you know what I mean. So they're probably

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<v Speaker 2>just well.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if i'd give them that much credit,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're they're there. I think they are acutely aware

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<v Speaker 3>of being hyperbolic. But yees, some things like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've been very hyperbolic. I'm sorry. I am sympathetic.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean to say that I'm unsympathetic, but as

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<v Speaker 3>a trans woman who you just have to understand, as

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<v Speaker 3>a trans woman who was a trans girl before she

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<v Speaker 3>got hormones, it's an experience I cannot personally relate to.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that too.

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<v Speaker 3>H Yeah, I want to give you like some credit,

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<v Speaker 3>like like I think a lot what a thing A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people don't realize about you, Carmen. Is that

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<v Speaker 3>like you you did like yeah, like you went through

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<v Speaker 3>like hell, Like you went through something that like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of trans people nowadays like don't have to go through.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they should have to. They shouldn't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you're right, Yeah, you're right, you're right, You're right.

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<v Speaker 3>So I understand the like point of yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that you don't think that they have to

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe like looking at like the modern like trans

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<v Speaker 3>landscape and like thinking like, I don't know, like that

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<v Speaker 3>it would be so much easier for you if you

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<v Speaker 3>were like that age now exactly, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>instead of like the age that you were.

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<v Speaker 1>When you when you came out exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And I understand having that kind of like like perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>and I feel like a lot of like younger trans

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<v Speaker 3>people might not like understand that as much. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>there's like I like, I know there's bullying, and I

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<v Speaker 3>know there's bitch I'm I'm a fucking bartender at like

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<v Speaker 3>a restaurant and I transitioned like in front of the

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<v Speaker 3>public in the South in Georgia, and it wasn't fucking

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<v Speaker 3>easy for me either. And there's like regularly times where

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<v Speaker 3>like I like want to like publicly kill myself at

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<v Speaker 3>work because I am so like upset with how I'm treated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and that probably is not something you want to hear. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I just I don't. I just keep coming back to

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<v Speaker 3>like it seems like this is going to be like

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<v Speaker 3>the last hurdle for you. Yeah, And it's either you

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<v Speaker 3>come out or you don't. Like I don't really see

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<v Speaker 3>or third option u D transition.

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<v Speaker 2>Or fourth option fourth option which I gave, which is

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<v Speaker 2>moved to another state, change your name, change your identity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're just a whole new person, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what they had to do back in the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>But we don't do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>And out of these four options, none of them are

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<v Speaker 3>particularly easy, but I think one of them, I think

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<v Speaker 3>one of them makes the most sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that has come out.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's probably where I would leave it. Yeah, so yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have to give you some tough love on

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<v Speaker 3>that one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sorry about that. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's anything we're missing from this, Please send us

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<v Speaker 3>a DM leave another voicemail, even if you don't want

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<v Speaker 3>us like talk about it in public, Like I would

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate knowing that and just knowing that we didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>hurt your feelings because we are like trying to help,

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<v Speaker 3>Like even though this is like a funny show, like

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<v Speaker 3>I always have trans people on my side, Like I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I always want to be on the side

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<v Speaker 3>of trans people, and I do genuinely want to help

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<v Speaker 3>trans people.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, and Janie makes me a better person for

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<v Speaker 2>all of those reasons. But I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I get passionate because I care, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hear this stuff, and I get so frustrated because

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to be like, girl, you can fucking

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<v Speaker 2>do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, you can do it, You can do this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of this tough loves.

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<v Speaker 3>Comes from cubs, from us being like, bitch, you can

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<v Speaker 3>do it, even if it's tough, even if it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>You sound us.

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<v Speaker 3>You have bigger tips than us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. You have bigger tids than both of us together.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so come on, yeah, I'm kidding. No, she did

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<v Speaker 3>deserve that one though. No, but we love you, and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>we'd love to. We'd love to, we'd love an update

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<v Speaker 3>on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you, And with that we'll close out this

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<v Speaker 2>week's episode of Beauty Translated. And if you have any questions, comments,

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<v Speaker 2>or concerns, you can call us at six seven eight

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, stomp out the haters over there.

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<v Speaker 3>Dump them out, all right, bye, y'all, Stay beautiful thank goodbye,

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