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Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest edition of the Giants Shuttle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lance Medow. We are continuing to break down the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three draft class, and today we're focusing on

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Speaker 2: the team's third round pick, seventy third overall Tennessee wide

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Speaker 2: receiver Jalen Hyatt. And to get more into Hyatt, we

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Speaker 2: are now joined by the new head coach of the

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Speaker 2: South Florida Bulls, who spent the previous two seasons is

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's offensive coordinator, none other than Alex Golish. Coach, greatly

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Speaker 2: appreciate the time, hope all as well. How's everything on

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Speaker 2: your end?

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Speaker 1: Moving a million miles an hour? And uh and I've

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Speaker 1: been here for six months and we're we're looking for

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Speaker 1: the next Jalen Hyatt, so spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: doing that as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, I really want to delve into greater detail

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Speaker 2: on what Jalen Hyatt's going to bring the Giants. And

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Speaker 2: let's start with you arrived at Tennessee in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: he already spent one season under the previous coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: From the time you took over and began orchestra in

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Speaker 2: the offense to now him joining the NFL Pro ranks,

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Speaker 2: how much growth, how much change in his game have

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Speaker 1: Think probably as much as anybody I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: I think when we got to when we got to Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: Jalen had played some the year before. Was was raw

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Speaker 1: would probably be an understatement, but I think just very

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Speaker 1: young and young is a word that me and him

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Speaker 1: have sat and talked about a long time. Young as

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. And it was all about growing

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Speaker 1: up for him. And by growing up, I mean in

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Speaker 1: every aspect of his life, how how I live right,

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Speaker 1: how I do write, how I work. And I think

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Speaker 1: Jalen it took that first year with him to realize,

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Speaker 1: you always knew had it in him, just couldn't put

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Speaker 1: part about coaching college football is is you get a

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Speaker 2: So with that being said, as you just went through

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Speaker 1: I think it's been documented, because I think his story

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Speaker 1: And that was one of those touching moments. Not to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because to your point, I mean, that was an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's figured out what his secret sauces and his

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Speaker 2: And that's a product of the speed that you were

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Speaker 2: You brought up the Alabama game where he had five

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Speaker 2: Game one, you notice something that could really make that

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Speaker 1: I think it was the fact that he went into

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent evident what you're talking about with

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Speaker 2: can't thank you know if this was a blast, very

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Speaker 2: much enjoyed the conversation. Best of luck to you in

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Appreciate you guys, Go Giants.

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