Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning.
Speaker 2: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 2: episode is going to be a slightly longer one part
Speaker 2: of the series where I interview fascinating people about how
Speaker 2: they take their days from great to awesome and any
Speaker 2: advice they have for the rest of us.
Speaker 1: So today I.
Speaker 2: Am delighted to welcome Brian Harriet to Before Breakfast. Brian
Speaker 2: is the author of the new book Time Freedom, which
Speaker 2: will be out soon.
Speaker 1: Brian, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Laura. I'm really glad to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you. Why don't you tell our
Speaker 1: listeners a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I am an author and a speaker. My
Speaker 3: book is coming out in September, but I'm going to
Speaker 3: tell you how you can get it early. However, I
Speaker 3: believe in living the lifestyle that you're meant to live,
Speaker 3: creating a life that you love, creating work that you love,
Speaker 3: and that's where my passion is and that's what I
Speaker 3: want to I love talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you can tell a little bit about your background.
Speaker 2: Are you in the personal finance world?
Speaker 3: I am. I am a financial advisor. That is my
Speaker 3: job by day, and I have structured it though in
Speaker 3: a way where I'm able to essentially work at it
Speaker 3: kind of intensely in full time for about nine months
Speaker 3: of the year, and then I head off to northern
Speaker 3: Wisconsin to a cabin that my wife and I own there,
Speaker 3: and with our son we take the summer and we
Speaker 3: ski and we fish and we do all those fun things.
Speaker 3: Not that you can, ever, as an entrepreneur, really completely
Speaker 3: forget about your business, but it does offer a time
Speaker 3: to think about bigger and different things and make creative
Speaker 3: connections when you're not in the day today. And then
Speaker 3: at the end of the summer, our son we head
Speaker 3: back to California, where we live most of the year.
Speaker 3: Our son goes back to school and back to work exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, is that time freedom? I mean, let's talk about
Speaker 2: what the definition is for time freedom.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do definitely believe that's time freedom. Usually when
Speaker 3: I describe time freedom to people, I start with what
Speaker 3: it's not. And there are two things I believe that
Speaker 3: it's not. One thing is it's not work life balance.
Speaker 3: I've always struggled with work life balance. I feel like
Speaker 3: it's just taking a day off in the middle of
Speaker 3: the day to work two hours late at night. And
Speaker 3: so whereas work life balance to me is hours and
Speaker 3: days and how you structure that, time freedom to me
Speaker 3: is weeks, but even more so months and years, like
Speaker 3: how you structure a full year of your life to
Speaker 3: be more seasonal, and how you approach work and play
Speaker 3: in that regard. The other thing that time freedom is
Speaker 3: not is financial freedom. And I had always approached financial
Speaker 3: freedom believing that that was the key to unlocking time freedom.
Speaker 3: And that's really what this book is about, which is
Speaker 3: that they're different. Financial freedom to me is of course
Speaker 3: having absolute freedom where you never have to work again,
Speaker 3: a wonderful thing, you know, to be able to choose
Speaker 3: exactly what you want. However, I still think that you
Speaker 3: can achieve meaningful freedom while still having to work, if
Speaker 3: you can just work in a way that meets your needs,
Speaker 3: and so time freedom allows for that. So you know,
Speaker 3: so in essence, time freedom is just a different path.
Speaker 3: It's a different way of living. It's one that's maybe
Speaker 3: less focused on, you know, optimal wealth building and optimal
Speaker 3: career building, where you can still do elements of those things,
Speaker 3: but your main focus is how you structure your time
Speaker 3: and how you live your life day to day so
Speaker 3: that you're not putting off the things that you really
Speaker 3: want to do now.
Speaker 2: Well, and one of those things I imagined was for you.
Speaker 2: Now the cabin in Wisconsin. Was that what led you
Speaker 2: to pursue this?
Speaker 3: It is so ever since I was a kid, my grandparents.
Speaker 3: This is a thing I guess if you grow up
Speaker 3: in the Midwest, at least in Wisconsin, is that you're
Speaker 3: lucky as a grandchild if your grandparents have a cabin
Speaker 3: in northern Wisconsin. And so I had been doing that
Speaker 3: for years and then they had to sell the place
Speaker 3: when I was in college. And if of course I
Speaker 3: had no money in college, if I had it, I
Speaker 3: would have bought it, but second best option. I met
Speaker 3: my wife around that time and she lived up there,
Speaker 3: so I was able to continue this north Woods part
Speaker 3: of my life, you know, you know, since since the beginning,
Speaker 3: and that it's just one of those things that to
Speaker 3: me is in I mean, it's ingrained in how I live.
Speaker 3: And so I've always wanted to do that. I've always
Speaker 3: wanted to pursue this life where I had summers off,
Speaker 3: I could never make it work. And then finally I
Speaker 3: figured out, you know how to do it, and so yes,
Speaker 3: to me, summers at the lake is time freedom. For
Speaker 3: other people, it's you know, bumming around Europe for three months,
Speaker 3: or you know, it could look different to different people.
Speaker 3: I'm continually expanding what it means to me, and I
Speaker 3: think it ebbs and flows and you know, changes over
Speaker 3: time as well. Well.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to get at that angle with the finances
Speaker 2: because I'm sure one of the reasons people you know,
Speaker 2: there men and women who listen to this show, but
Speaker 2: I know men in particular often have a story in
Speaker 2: their lives that they need to be able to support
Speaker 2: their family. And the sort of the assumption with this
Speaker 2: is that that's going to involve year round, full time work.
Speaker 1: Perhaps your wife could go.
Speaker 2: To a cottage somewhere and a vacation destination for the
Speaker 2: summer with the kids, but not you, right like, there's
Speaker 2: have you encountered that narrative?
Speaker 3: I assume I certainly have, and and and it's not
Speaker 3: I would I would just call it beyond just men,
Speaker 3: it would be conventional lifestyle in the United States. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just really what you do. And you know, even
Speaker 3: even though I had wanted this for all along, I
Speaker 3: still got wrapped up in the normal way of doing
Speaker 3: things until I was finally able to break free out.
Speaker 3: Like obviously, a big element to be able to live
Speaker 3: this way is if you have the luxury of being
Speaker 3: an entrepreneur or you can form and that doesn't mean
Speaker 3: having to have this high growth business that is a
Speaker 3: radical new idea. But if you have some sort of
Speaker 3: way in which you can work on your own and
Speaker 3: design your lifestyle around your work, you have much more
Speaker 3: freedom to be able to take these extended periods of
Speaker 3: time off. Although I would also argue that more and
Speaker 3: more companies these days, I guess, especially forward looking or
Speaker 3: progressive companies, are trying to do different work models where
Speaker 3: perhaps you work four days a week or you're able
Speaker 3: to take more extended time off. So there are other
Speaker 3: opportunities out there.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that, because yeah, when people hear
Speaker 2: the idea of working flexibly and being able to take
Speaker 2: time off, I mean, what would that look like for
Speaker 2: a lot of people? Can can anyone find the sort
Speaker 2: of work that could be done in a time freedom way?
Speaker 3: Well, if I can start with the obvious one, which
Speaker 3: is entrepreneurship, So if you are a solopreneur you have
Speaker 3: a small team. I actually do believe that you can
Speaker 3: structure your business in a way that you can get
Speaker 3: extended periods of time off regardless of the industry that
Speaker 3: you're in. You just have to think creatively and you
Speaker 3: have to have that be your number one goal. And
Speaker 3: it's not just about developing passive income, although if you
Speaker 3: could do that, that's great. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: it comes really down to what are you offering as
Speaker 3: your service, and how can you shrink it down and
Speaker 3: compress it basically and offer that service in a shorter
Speaker 3: period of time, and then take those services and then
Speaker 3: move them into the months where you want to work.
Speaker 3: You know, for me, it's never in the summer months. Now.
Speaker 3: You can do that also through leveraging your team. So
Speaker 3: if you have you know, even if you're a solo entrepreneur,
Speaker 3: I think you should have an assistant because that assistant
Speaker 3: can do things for you that then fore you up,
Speaker 3: even if it's just managing your calendar or your inbox
Speaker 3: or doing operations pieces of the work that you don't love. Again,
Speaker 3: you can use how you structure your work and how
Speaker 3: you structure your team to find the time off. For
Speaker 3: those that are not entrepreneurs, I think it comes down to,
Speaker 3: of course, developing a skill and being very good at
Speaker 3: your job so that you can then find places of
Speaker 3: employment that honor these types of ideas. And for example,
Speaker 3: and so for example, I think there's these are things
Speaker 3: that a lot of people have a hard time going.
Speaker 3: I'm going to work seasonally. I need to step into that.
Speaker 3: So what are some ideas. One is, for example, if
Speaker 3: you can take off the first Friday of every month
Speaker 3: or the or find a job that doesn't work on Fridays,
Speaker 3: that's a wonderful idea. Or if you take two weeks
Speaker 3: off over the winter holidays, can you add a week
Speaker 3: on the the front end and a week on to
Speaker 3: the back end and take a full four weeks off.
Speaker 3: There's a I think a difference in having four weeks
Speaker 3: away versus two weeks away. I actually I've really heard
Speaker 3: it described to me that when you hit the six
Speaker 3: week mark, that's when it really really feels different. But there,
Speaker 3: you know, if you can save up vacation and do
Speaker 3: some strategic things. Again, if you're focused on this, I'm
Speaker 3: sure we've all met people at work they're like, Wow,
Speaker 3: they are always good about taking their vacation. They seem
Speaker 3: like they always had these cool three week trips planned
Speaker 3: like those are ways to definitely recognize more time freedom
Speaker 3: in your life.
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a quick ad break and
Speaker 2: then I will be back with more from Brian Harriet. Well,
Speaker 2: I am back talking with Brian Harriet, who is the
Speaker 2: author of the book Time Freedom. So you are in
Speaker 2: the financial world, and I know that a lot of
Speaker 2: people view this as sort of like, Okay, I'm aiming
Speaker 2: for retirement. Now, maybe that's at age sixty five, but
Speaker 2: maybe in the you know, the fire world, it's earlier.
Speaker 2: And the idea is that you hit a number and
Speaker 2: that this number will then support you for the rest
Speaker 2: of your life. What are what are the problems you
Speaker 2: see with that idea?
Speaker 3: I see several problems with it. One one problem. The
Speaker 3: main problem is that it usually has to be a
Speaker 3: really big number, and life happens, and we have expenses,
Speaker 3: and you may not you know, for you know, personally,
Speaker 3: you may never plan to send your child to private school,
Speaker 3: but because of the way they learn, you really need to,
Speaker 3: and that all of a sudden costs money. And so
Speaker 3: to build up that giant nest egg listeners may be
Speaker 3: familiar with the four percent rule, but this is the
Speaker 3: general rule or rule of thumb that says, if you're
Speaker 3: invested in a certain way, a pretty standard way, that
Speaker 3: you can pull four percent of the money that you
Speaker 3: have out each year and safely live of thirty forty
Speaker 3: years on that money. Well, you know, if you're a
Speaker 3: millionaire and you've saved up a million dollars, that means
Speaker 3: you can pull forty thousand dollars out. My goodness, I
Speaker 3: mean it's I mean, I'm sure in some parts of
Speaker 3: the country and with you know, if you're extremely frugal,
Speaker 3: you can figure that out. But I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people would have a hard time living off of
Speaker 3: forty thousand dollars. And so then you start to bump
Speaker 3: it up to two and three million, and at you know,
Speaker 3: four million, you're up to one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: All that to say, the number is really big. And
Speaker 3: so what then happens is that you are scrimping and
Speaker 3: saving on your way to this number. When you try
Speaker 3: to get to that number, you think, well, maybe I
Speaker 3: should just work another year, or another two years, or
Speaker 3: another five years, just to make sure that that number
Speaker 3: is high enough. And then once you ultimately do decide
Speaker 3: to retire, now you're one hundred percent hold into what
Speaker 3: happens in the markets, and heaven forbid, it's the year
Speaker 3: two thousand or something like that where you've retired at
Speaker 3: the top of the market and you're pulling your money
Speaker 3: out and the market is going down at the same time.
Speaker 3: I know, personally, I would just I would have a
Speaker 3: lot of anxiety around that, and right, and so that's
Speaker 3: and that ultimately is kind of what happened with me.
Speaker 3: I Again, like I had mentioned, I always thought you
Speaker 3: need to achieve financial independence first to control your time,
Speaker 3: and then we were getting kind of close to that
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, and then the COVID crash hit. Now
Speaker 3: it recovered right away, but in the moment, that was
Speaker 3: a thirty five percent drop, and I just saw all
Speaker 3: those years of saving and investing just like disappear right
Speaker 3: in front of my eyes and thought, well, I guess
Speaker 3: I'm going to be working forever again. And so I
Speaker 3: just I feel like when you only look at it
Speaker 3: through the money lens of the retirement and the big
Speaker 3: nesting that you have to build up your your little
Speaker 3: myopic in terms of again thinking how how can I
Speaker 3: make this work for me? And you don't have as
Speaker 3: many levers to pull, let me put it that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and with that, I think.
Speaker 2: I think you and I agree that work is not
Speaker 2: this terrible thing, right. I mean, like there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people in the sort of fire community where the
Speaker 2: idea is like work is terrible, and so you want
Speaker 2: to not work, like the goal is to not work,
Speaker 2: and as part of that, you know you need to
Speaker 2: live crazy frugal, you need to save all this money
Speaker 2: so you can live off the passive income.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, if we take that out and say.
Speaker 2: Well, there's ways to work that aren't terrible, there's you know,
Speaker 2: you don't only have to work in like forty hours
Speaker 2: in a job you hate with two weeks of vacation
Speaker 2: a year as a way to earn money. Then it
Speaker 2: becomes much more tenable to keep working for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The in that community they even want you to
Speaker 3: build up an FU fund so you can tell your
Speaker 3: employer to f you. I'm like, okay, that's yeah. I
Speaker 3: don't love that perspective at all. Yes, if you can
Speaker 3: create work you love I would actually advocate you work
Speaker 3: it as long as you can, because you get so
Speaker 3: many benefits from work beyond the monetary benefits, the social connections,
Speaker 3: the sense of achievement, the problem solving, all of these
Speaker 3: wonderful things. And I agree with you wholeheartedly that work
Speaker 3: can be wonderful. And that's actually what happened in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty when I told my wife we're not going to
Speaker 3: be hitting financial freedom soon, and when she asked me, well,
Speaker 3: what does that look like to you? First I didn't
Speaker 3: have a good answer, and then I finally realized that
Speaker 3: I did like doing what I was doing. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to do have an opportunity to take longer periods
Speaker 3: of time off to recover when I needed it. And
Speaker 3: she then said, well, why don't we do that right away?
Speaker 3: And we couldn't do it right away, but we figured
Speaker 3: out a way within three years to make that happen,
Speaker 3: and that is when we started going back and living
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin over the summer, and and we've really been
Speaker 3: doing that since twenty twenty one. It was one of
Speaker 3: the silver linings, I guess, of COVID, and then we've
Speaker 3: just kept it going. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that now. What This is always a beef
Speaker 1: I have with them.
Speaker 2: I get pitches sometimes from you know, people who are
Speaker 2: in that world, and they're like, well, I'm not working,
Speaker 2: I don't have to work anymore. And then they're running
Speaker 2: a podcast, they're writing a newsletter, they're giving talks, and
Speaker 2: they're you know, writing books. I'm like, but that's what
Speaker 2: I do. Like, you're still working, I'm working. We're both working.
Speaker 2: We're just doing work we like now, right, and there
Speaker 2: are ways to do work we like and earn money.
Speaker 3: I was my biggest fear looking back now is that
Speaker 3: I would have scrimpt and safe to get to the
Speaker 3: point where I didn't need to work, only to then
Speaker 3: realize that you wanted to work again. So again, why
Speaker 3: do all that working in a difficult job for so
Speaker 3: long to then realize that you just wanted to create
Speaker 3: work you loved that That's ultimately what you wanted is
Speaker 3: you wanted to create work you love, work on your terms,
Speaker 3: work in a way that you wanted to work from,
Speaker 3: where you wanted to work with the people that you
Speaker 3: wanted to work with. And that's that's where it's all at.
Speaker 2: But part of this time freedom, I mean, you do
Speaker 2: still advocate saving and investing money. And one of the
Speaker 2: ways people can sort of work less is to have
Speaker 2: both your current income and some investment income. But I
Speaker 2: suppose you would need to invest differently in that case,
Speaker 2: if you are pulling money out more continuously or wanting
Speaker 2: assets that kick off a lot of income versus I'm
Speaker 2: investing this to pull out twenty years in the future.
Speaker 3: That's right, and certainly for someone I do believe a
Speaker 3: lot of people kind of start off after school, you know, professionally,
Speaker 3: and you don't know any other thing other than you know,
Speaker 3: I'm going to put my head down and I'm going
Speaker 3: to work hard, and so that's good, and if you
Speaker 3: can save while you're doing that, that's even better. Then
Speaker 3: you wake up mid career, like again a personal story,
Speaker 3: and you think, hmm, why am I doing this job
Speaker 3: that I'm doing? Is it the right work that I
Speaker 3: want to be doing. The fact that you have had
Speaker 3: some money saved up is very freeing. It's not enough
Speaker 3: to retire on, but it's enough to be able to say,
Speaker 3: I want to now create work that I choose on
Speaker 3: my own, you know, and I'm going to have perhaps
Speaker 3: some inconsistent income for a couple of years while I
Speaker 3: figure that out. But I can because I've saved up,
Speaker 3: So you're absolutely right, it's quite freeing. Where it comes
Speaker 3: to like how do you invest differently? This is what
Speaker 3: I observed in twenty twenty, where when you're getting closer
Speaker 3: to using your money, you don't want it to drop
Speaker 3: so significantly, and I was not prepared for that, and
Speaker 3: that's why I caught me off guard. So if you
Speaker 3: want to live with time freedom, that does mean that, yes,
Speaker 3: you're going to need to, perhaps not always, but perhaps
Speaker 3: pull some money out of your savings earlier than you
Speaker 3: otherwise would. So you need to protect against that downside,
Speaker 3: and the easiest way to do that is just to
Speaker 3: hold more in a cash or cash a quid you know, accounts.
Speaker 3: And the common financial advice would say that that you
Speaker 3: know you're losing out by having that cash because that
Speaker 3: cash should be invested in the markets and be earning more.
Speaker 3: But I would argue, you know, so maybe it's not earning,
Speaker 3: maybe it's earning five percent less per year, but it's
Speaker 3: giving you this freedom if the job that you had
Speaker 3: is awful and you need to leave, or you want
Speaker 3: to invest some of that cash into a business that
Speaker 3: you can then turn around and start generating revenue on.
Speaker 3: You can earn a lot higher returns using that money
Speaker 3: that had been in cash to support you in your
Speaker 3: freedom goals.
Speaker 1: Like anything, it's a balance.
Speaker 2: We're going to take one more ad break and then
Speaker 2: i'll be back with more from Brian Harriet. Well, I
Speaker 2: am back talking with Brian Harriet, who's the author of
Speaker 2: the forthcoming book Time Freedom. So I want to pivot
Speaker 2: a little bit Brian and talk about your own schedule.
Speaker 2: Do you have a morning routine?
Speaker 1: This is a show called Before Breakfast, so we always
Speaker 1: love to hear about those.
Speaker 3: I do have a morning routine, and I am a
Speaker 3: morning person. Of course, it varies. When I was writing
Speaker 3: the book, it involved getting up and spending a couple
Speaker 3: hours writing the book. But the writing of the book
Speaker 3: has passed me. What my typical morning routine is. I
Speaker 3: wake up at five o'clock in the morning and I
Speaker 3: immediately work out. That's the first thing that I do.
Speaker 3: This year, I decided to invest in a personal trainer,
Speaker 3: which is the best decision I could have ever made.
Speaker 3: I was late to just having coaches in general in life.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's like a Midwestern you know, I can just
Speaker 3: figure this out myself kind of mentality. But boy, when
Speaker 3: you have someone that's been through it before, you can
Speaker 3: learn that thing ten times faster. And so I'm making
Speaker 3: great progress there. So I do my workout usually from
Speaker 3: five till about six six thirty, and then I take
Speaker 3: care of some other things. And then I still even
Speaker 3: though my son is in high school, he still needs
Speaker 3: me to get him up. I don't know if I
Speaker 3: understand you.
Speaker 1: I totally understand the weak thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then usually I, you know, I'm able to
Speaker 3: get into work by seven thirty or so and do
Speaker 3: some of my deep work before all the meetings start.
Speaker 1: Excellent. I love it. And what does what does your
Speaker 1: work schedule then look like?
Speaker 3: Do you do?
Speaker 1: You organize it in a certain way.
Speaker 3: I do try to take half of the day. It's
Speaker 3: not always perfect, but I do really try to take
Speaker 3: half of the day working on the things that move
Speaker 3: the needle and whatever it has to be in you know,
Speaker 3: in that moment in my business right now, it's going
Speaker 3: to be getting pre sales on the book, right, and
Speaker 3: so I will dedicate time to that specifically. I fortunately
Speaker 3: do have an assistant who's now really turned into more
Speaker 3: of an operations manager for me who takes care of
Speaker 3: a lot of the small tasks, which is really great
Speaker 3: because then I can work on the important things. And
Speaker 3: then you know, usually half the day is interviews and
Speaker 3: meetings and things like that as well.
Speaker 2: What's something you've done recently to take a day from
Speaker 2: great to awesome?
Speaker 3: How would I say this? It is my wife a
Speaker 3: year ago did a women's sailing seminar on the weekend
Speaker 3: and said it was one of the most incredible empowering
Speaker 3: things that she's ever done, and she's really got into
Speaker 3: sailing over the last year. Finally I've started to join
Speaker 3: her on her journey and it's been really wonderful to
Speaker 3: see her in action empowered in this way. And so,
Speaker 3: for example, last night I went and joined her for
Speaker 3: a pot luck after their race and got to meet
Speaker 3: all of the people that she's been meeting and it
Speaker 3: just made me feel really good, so happy for her,
Speaker 3: and I'm now excited to start joining her. She really
Speaker 3: wants me to get on the boat and start learning
Speaker 3: how to sail so that we can take these new
Speaker 3: and different and interesting types of trips together. So that's
Speaker 3: the example I get. That's what i'd share with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're gonna learn how to sail as well,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be I mean not with the probably not
Speaker 2: the Women's Empowerment Weekend, but you'll you'll learn to sail
Speaker 2: in a different different versions.
Speaker 3: Oftly they don't want me around there. And yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean I've I've sailed those little sunfishes that you can
Speaker 3: flip and pull back over. But these are like six person,
Speaker 3: ten person, twelve person boats which aren't supposed to tip over.
Speaker 3: That's I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the question, Brian, going into the summer.
Speaker 2: I mean, because we're this is running in the summer,
Speaker 2: and I know you have a book coming out early
Speaker 2: in the fall, are you going to be able to
Speaker 2: still take much of the summer off?
Speaker 3: Are you kind of compartmentalizing that this summer is a
Speaker 3: little bit different on two reasons. Well, one is that
Speaker 3: our son now is in high school, and so he
Speaker 3: really wants to stick around here. We're you know, in
Speaker 3: California as friends are, and so we are sure we're
Speaker 3: definitely going back to Wisconsin. We're only going to do
Speaker 3: it for four weeks though this summer, which is a
Speaker 3: little sad it may look like this for the next
Speaker 3: few years, but then once he's off to college, we'll
Speaker 3: head back for hopefully even longer and then yes, but
Speaker 3: with the book coming out, I'm still taking some dedicated
Speaker 3: time off. But as you know, with big Time in
Speaker 3: your book that is just launched, I mean there's a
Speaker 3: lot to do leading up to that. And of course
Speaker 3: my launch date is September fifteenth, which is right at
Speaker 3: the end of summer, so I will be doing some
Speaker 3: things over the summer this year.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? Well, where can listeners find you?
Speaker 3: So the best way that listeners can find me is
Speaker 3: I would urge them to go to timefreedombook dot com.
Speaker 3: So this is the URL where you can pre order
Speaker 3: my book, and of course you won't get the actual
Speaker 3: hard copy of the book until September. However, if you
Speaker 3: put the order number of your pre order and the
Speaker 3: passcode or the secret word Laura in on that form,
Speaker 3: I will send you the audiobook immediately, so it's as
Speaker 3: if you can still get the book right now, and
Speaker 3: then in some tepper you'll have a surprise where you'll
Speaker 3: actually have the written copy as well. So yeah, Time
Speaker 3: you can do all that at Timefreedombook dot com.
Speaker 1: All right and using the code Laura. I love it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've gotten to be a code before,
Speaker 1: but how fun is that?
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