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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Weston Hodkowitz. We're coming to

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Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field, Wes. One

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Speaker 1: week of training camp is in the books, and the

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Speaker 1: biggest news of training camp so far occurred between our

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Speaker 1: last show and this show. And of course I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about quarterback Jordan Love signed his finalized contract extension. He

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Speaker 1: was back out there for Saturday's practice, the first padded practice,

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Speaker 1: so he's been involved in two practices so far. With

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Speaker 1: the pads going on, it's nice to see sing this

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Speaker 1: sort of getting back to normal, right QB one is

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Speaker 1: out there, he's running the show and here we go.

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Speaker 2: It was the ending that everybody wanted to see, and

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Speaker 2: it was the ending that we got. And before we

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Speaker 2: go into all the x's and o's, because there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of this and we saw it over the

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Speaker 2: weekend in these padded practices, just what it means to

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Speaker 2: have number ten back out on the field. I want

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Speaker 2: to step back for a second because a lot of

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Speaker 2: the interviews I've done with people, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: things that have come up. Everybody's asking about the x's

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Speaker 2: pull it back for two seconds and just appreciate what

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Speaker 2: this moment represents. The Green Bay Packers made Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: one of, if not at the if not the most

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Speaker 2: compensated quarterback NFL player in this league's great illustrious history.

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Speaker 2: Four years ago. He was the first round pick that

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Speaker 2: Brian Goodikuns drafted up, traded up to draft, had to

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Speaker 2: come in and follow in the shadows of Aaron Rights

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Speaker 2: last summer. The amount of pressure that was on this

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Speaker 2: young man to succeed Aaron Rodgers, the fact that Brian

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Speaker 2: Goudikuns had pushed his chips in on this player, the

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Speaker 2: fact that Matt Lafleur, his QB school acumen, was invested

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Speaker 2: into this young man. Tom Clements had come back and

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Speaker 2: had coached this young man, and to see it work

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Speaker 2: out for him, to see it work out for the organization.

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Speaker 2: I just can't help but feel somewhat sentimental about this

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Speaker 2: whole thing, because, as I told you before, Mike, this

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Speaker 2: is the first quarterback, the first prospect, the first real

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Speaker 2: investment that I've seen groomed. In my current occupation, Aaron

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Speaker 2: Rodgers was an MVP, a Super Bowl champion. When I

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Speaker 2: started covering this team on a full time basis in

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I got to watch brick by brick, piece

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Speaker 2: by piece in practices that were visible to no one.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, Jordan Love go from the guy that

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Speaker 2: the Green Bit Packers were developing to the face of

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Speaker 2: the franchise, and to see him rewarded knowing what he's

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Speaker 2: been through on a personal level, knowing what he's done

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Speaker 2: on a professional level, and the fact that in four

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Speaker 2: and a half years, Mike, this guy has not sidestepped once.

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Speaker 2: He has done everything right from the very beginning. I

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Speaker 2: people behind those face masks. There are families that are

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Speaker 2: impacted by it, and for the Packers and Jordan Love

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Speaker 2: to reach this resolution, I just felt like this is

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Speaker 2: one of those type of things that ten, fifteen, twenty

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Speaker 2: to grandchildren and other people about this because it's pretty special.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is special. It's very exciting, and I

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Speaker 1: can give you the perspective at least a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the last time that this happened because I got

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Speaker 1: here to Packers dot Com in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 1: which was Aaron rodgers second year in the league. I

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Speaker 1: which were years two and three for Rogers. And you

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Speaker 1: are the you know, the Packers are making this investment

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Speaker 1: good football. Well, let me remind everybody that Ted Thompson,

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Speaker 1: the former general manager, rest his soul. He made the

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Speaker 1: commitment to Aaron Rodgers after seven games as the starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback in two thousand and eight, the Packers were four

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Speaker 1: and three. Aaron Rodgers, in essence, hadn't won anything yet.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Love earned a playoff spot, won a

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Speaker 1: Ball and everybody in the Packers' front office has done

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Speaker 1: the same thing with Jordan Love, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: a reminder. I've seen a few comments related to this

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Speaker 1: an inbox. Perhaps you're posting one or I will post

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Speaker 1: it's just half a season. Well, on the field, yes

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Speaker 1: it's half a season. But everybody who's involved in this

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Speaker 1: whether it is always shown up on the field or not,

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Speaker 1: all of those things. I mean that that's what this

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Speaker 1: this league. That's just the nature of things. But the similarities,

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Speaker 2: And that's the coolest thing about it, Mike, because you

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Speaker 2: about in twenty oh seven how much they've felt Aaron

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Speaker 2: there was something there, not just the Philadelphia game, how

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Speaker 1: And it's the Dallas game in two thousand and seven

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Speaker 1: but it was the Philadelphia game for Jordan Love that

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Speaker 1: This wasn't just some pre season outing. Went out there,

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Speaker 2: Are in one of the things where I had to

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Speaker 2: we lost the game and I expected better even though

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Speaker 2: he played really well. And that's where in my mind

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Speaker 2: it went off of yeah, this guy, he's he's a

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Speaker 2: to hear Matt Lafuer talk about this is the guy

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Speaker 2: You could see it on the practice field on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: how different everything looked with Jordan Love out there. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: it started a little slow. He didn't practice the first

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Speaker 2: him and Christian Watson, they were looking at what Jeff

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Speaker 2: Hafley and the defense were doing. They draw up, They

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Speaker 2: National Football League when people ask about these contracts and

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Speaker 2: you have hope, and the Packers have hope, and because

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Speaker 2: of that, there's a price tag attached to that. But

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Speaker 2: what's good for the Green Bay Packers is they aren't

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Speaker 2: just looking at as well, we're paying our quarterback. They're

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Speaker 2: there's still a lot more for him to uncover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that getting to the on the field action.

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Speaker 1: Since since our last show and what we've seen it

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Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins has had some days off, Josh Myers was

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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like we're going to see Zach tom

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Speaker 1: he continues the recovery. But I think with Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to start to see this offense

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Speaker 2: moderate practice in terms of the tempo and the pace.

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Speaker 2: not just like, Okay, well they signed Josh Jacobs and

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Speaker 2: a bunch of guys. It's like, this is a lot

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Speaker 2: On the offensive line, Jordan Morgan has been repping inside

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Speaker 1: the first play of the number two units two minute drive,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's that says something about the mentality

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Speaker 1: of these guys who are competing for the safety position

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Speaker 1: because they've all been rotating with the ones. Well, when

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Speaker 1: they're not when it's not their turn with the ones,

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Speaker 1: they're not taking a breather. They're not like letting down.

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Speaker 1: Evan Williams is out there with the twos and he's

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Speaker 1: on the attack, right, I mean, And that's how that's

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Speaker 1: how you compete. That's how you make an impression. It's

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Speaker 1: not just oh, I have to give I have to

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Speaker 1: give it my all when I'm out there with Xavier McKinney.

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Speaker 1: These guys are out there trying to do their thing

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Speaker 1: and make the impression and make this a really difficult

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Speaker 1: decision on the coaches. They're doing that no matter what

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Speaker 1: unit they're lining up with, and I think that I

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Speaker 1: think that's worth mentioning.

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Speaker 2: I want to just point this out too very quickly

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Speaker 2: because someone asked me an insider inbox like and they'll

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Speaker 2: be in my column, you know later this week. You

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Speaker 2: look at how the Packers have structured this thing, and

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Speaker 2: they've rotated all these different safeties next to Xavier McKinney

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Speaker 2: to figure out who the best candidate is and also

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Speaker 2: to let McKinny get you know, some comfort with who

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Speaker 2: potentially his running mate could be. But the byproduct of

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Speaker 2: that is how many different combinations they've been running with

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Speaker 2: the two defense, Yes, how many times Evan Williams and

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Speaker 2: you know he is able to line up with an

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Speaker 2: Anthony Johnson Junr or with you know Bullard, or with

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Speaker 2: Zane Anderson. And that's important too, that that all those

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Speaker 2: guys are being able to get that work together.

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Speaker 1: Because that's how they become interchangeable in a sense.

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Speaker 2: Right, last year, how often did that happen? We're due

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Speaker 2: to injuries. There wasn't a single safety last year for

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Speaker 2: the agreement packers that got through on skate. There was

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Speaker 2: injuries galore. Yep. And you hope that it's better this year.

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Speaker 2: Won't be that situation again, But you have to have

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Speaker 2: different combinations of guys developing that chemistry with one another.

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Speaker 1: Well. The other competitions were certainly watching at cornerback, you know,

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Speaker 1: the starting cornerback job opposite jy R Alexander, Eric Stokes,

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Speaker 1: Carrington Valentine. Both guys have certainly had their moments out there.

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Speaker 1: Stokes is getting more of the reps with the number

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Speaker 1: ones right now than Valentine is, but it's just one

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Speaker 1: weekend to camp and who knows if there becomes more

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Speaker 1: of a rotation there or how that might change, So

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Speaker 1: we will definitely be keeping an eye on that. At kicker,

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Speaker 1: the three kickers, I would say, I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say that Greg Joseph and Andras Carlson are very

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Speaker 1: much neck and neck at the front of that kicking competition,

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Speaker 1: and James Turner is kind of trying to make up

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Speaker 1: a little ground right now after one week of camp.

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Speaker 1: On the offensive line, as I mentioned before, some moving parts,

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Speaker 1: some shuffling going on, but it still appears to be

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Speaker 1: shaping up that Jordan Morgan and Sean Ryan are going

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Speaker 1: to be competing for the starting job at right guard,

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Speaker 1: and we'll just have to see. It's extremely early in

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Speaker 1: that regard, and certainly with Morgan making the transition from

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Speaker 1: from tackle to guard and the pads having now just

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Speaker 1: gone on for a couple of days, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: another one to watch as things go along. Not really

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Speaker 1: a whole lot to update there other than it does

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Speaker 1: look like it's it's pretty open in terms of just

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Speaker 1: may the best man win yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing, I'm keeping an eye on his

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Speaker 2: right tackle because Zach Tom, even though you are expecting,

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Speaker 2: you know, he'll be out there soon enough, be back

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Speaker 2: in those team trails. Tom is one of the first

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Speaker 2: pieces that get moved when injuries hit. That's right here.

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Speaker 2: He stepped in. Remember that one game where he's at

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Speaker 2: right tackle. I think Josh Myers did. Did he actually

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Speaker 2: get hurt or was it like an equipment issue he

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Speaker 2: had to go out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have just been like an equipment thing.

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Speaker 2: Zach Tom's on the sideline snapping with Sean Clifford, then

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Speaker 2: snapping with with Jordan Love and he moves inside. That

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Speaker 2: is one of the first dominoes that could potentially fall here,

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Speaker 2: depending on how Packers want to handle things. Although to

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Speaker 2: be fair, Elton Jenkins also has that versatility. Yep, so

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Speaker 2: who could potentially be the swing tackle. That's where the

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Speaker 2: competition happens with Tolford. We also went now with Caleb

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Speaker 2: Jones being back Telford, excuse me? And then you know

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Speaker 2: Andre Dillard is in this thing a number of different ways.

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Speaker 2: This thing can go for the Green Bay Packers and

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out, you know who those guys are

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Speaker 2: going to because on game day you'll have those eight

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Speaker 2: offensive linemen, you'll have your starting five, But who are

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Speaker 2: those next three guys up that could be summoned And

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Speaker 2: that's what they're looking to identify right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, before we go anything that's sort of at

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Speaker 1: the top of your list in terms of what you're

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Speaker 1: going to be watching for as week two of training

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Speaker 1: camp starts to unfold here.

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Speaker 2: It was fun watching padded one on ones for the

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Speaker 2: first time. Defense the defensive line, that's typically where I'm at.

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Speaker 1: And usually I'm watching the past catcher's past defenders one

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Speaker 1: on ones, which is like when it's a tight end,

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Speaker 1: it's usually a safety and then obviously wide outs you

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Speaker 1: know versus corners and stuff, and uh, yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: it was fun to see that for the for the

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Speaker 1: first time. You know, with the pads on that's where

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Speaker 1: the the intensity of practice, you know, ratchets up a

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Speaker 1: little bit and these guys really get into it well.

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Speaker 2: And as you said it yourself on some of our

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Speaker 2: other content I can remember for it was on script

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Speaker 2: or a different show we do. Uh, but you know,

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Speaker 2: it's so it's so hard to be able to and

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Speaker 2: Matt Lafleuur echoed these comments. It's it's hard to be

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Speaker 2: able to rush to a bunch of conclusions in shells

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Speaker 2: about offensive line and defensive line. Absolutely, the game changes

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Speaker 2: once those pads come on, As Lafleur joked, I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's a little bit more cloth that can get grabbed

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Speaker 2: in those moments as well. And for me seeing how

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Speaker 2: you know dominant, you know some of these guys have

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Speaker 2: been okay, how does that translate now that these guys

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Speaker 2: have these pads on? And in the first day I

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Speaker 2: watched it, I thought Jordan Morgan was one of the

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Speaker 2: all stars of it. He had a really tough task

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Speaker 2: taking on DeVante Wyatt. Wyatt hit him with two very

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Speaker 2: different techniques, a bull rush the second time, a little

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Speaker 2: bit more finesse the first time, and he stood up

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Speaker 2: to that. Colby Wooden I thought had some really good rushes.

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Speaker 2: Carl Brooks looks sensational. But then you even have you know,

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Speaker 2: Sean Ryan being able to match up with a Kenny Clark,

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Speaker 2: a Kadeem Telford being able to match up with the

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Speaker 2: Rashawn Gary. Those are very important reps because yeah, Telford's

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Speaker 2: probably seen him in some of these You know, practice

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Speaker 2: squad reps and scout team reps, but it's different. Man,

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Speaker 2: when you got that bull looking you in the eyes

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Speaker 2: and one of the most intense physical players on this

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Speaker 2: football team and.

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Speaker 1: There's no help on either side. It's it truly is

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Speaker 1: one on one out there.

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Speaker 2: So the thing I'd take away from it, I'm never

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Speaker 2: gonna be a person. It's like, oh, here's the wins

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Speaker 2: and losses, but it's seeing how those guys respond to that,

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Speaker 2: getting a chance to get a better feel for that.

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Speaker 2: This week's going to be fun. In addition to the

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Speaker 2: fact that you know we're in this thing now, we're

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Speaker 2: a week into training camp. This thing is no longer starting.

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Speaker 2: We are moving and the Packers are looking at Family

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Speaker 2: Night and soon enough we'll be looking at that preseason

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Speaker 2: Oprah in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that first preseason game is right around the corner.

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Speaker 1: But for now, we will call it a rap on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscript and be sure to continue

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Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the goings on

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Speaker 1: at training camp. We've got it all for you on

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Speaker 1: Packers dot com. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you

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