1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan blood guilty to one 2 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: of the most brutal murders in recent memory. And I'm 3 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: talking about the murder of thirteen year old Tristan Bailey. 4 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags with 5 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: me today is Dave mac He's a reporter, a crime 6 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: reporter for Crime Online. David, you've at least had an 7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: insight into this case, and I think the whole country 8 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: has for a while now. And we had an expectation 9 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: that there was going to be a trial, that maybe 10 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: some viable explanation could be offered up to us as 11 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: to why someone would want to perpetrate this kind of 12 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: act on this child. But I think that we're going 13 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: to be left wanting I think you're one hundred percent right, Joe. 14 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: Here we're talking about a thirteen year old girl and 15 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: at the time of fourteen year old boy, and the 16 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: crime is so heinous that the fourteen year old is 17 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: going to be tried as an adult. He's now sixteen. 18 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned saying, I'm sorry, what does it really mean? Well, 19 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: that's what he did yesterday. We're getting ready for the trial. 20 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: Thought we might find some answers there, but no, we 21 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: have a gruesome attack. Thirteen year old Tristan Bailey went 22 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: out for an evening of celebration with her family. They 23 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: got home around eleven forty five pm, and she was 24 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: seen by a sibling around midnight. Tristan was supposed to 25 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: be sleeping in her bedroom, but the following morning, Mother's Day, 26 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Tristan didn't come out of her room for breakfast and 27 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: it was discovered she was not in her room. Tristan's 28 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: mother calls nine one one around ten am and a 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: search begins while police, friends, and neighbors search for Tristan 30 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: on foot. Investigators locase security videos of the area and 31 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: put together a timeline of what happened in the early 32 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: morning hours. Security video shows Tristan walking in the neighborhood 33 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: at twelve thirty am, about thirty minutes after her siblings 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: are in her bedroom. At one fourteen am, Tristan Bailey 35 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: is seen on video walking with what appears to be 36 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: fourteen year old Aidan Fuci. At one forty five am, 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: a home surveillance camera on Saddlestone Drive captures the two 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: teams walking east on the sidewalk. At three thirty am, 39 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: that same surveillance camera catches Aiden Fucci walking alone, heading 40 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: in the opposite direction, carrying white Nike shoes. Minutes later, 41 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: video shows Aiden Fucci entering his home carrying white Nike shoes. 42 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: Tristan was not with him. Between the time Tristan is 43 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: last seen on video Alive at one forty five am 44 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: and when Fucci is seen on video going into his 45 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: home less than two hours later, investigators say Fucci attack 46 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Tristan with a knife, stabbing her one fourteen times and 47 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: then tossing the knife in upon. We have a gruesome 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: attack that happened in a quiet neighborhood, a thirteen year 49 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: old cheerleader in a suburb of Jacksonville, Florida, and a 50 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: boy who is disturbed. He's got drawings of crazy stuff 51 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: and he's told friends. Joe, He's told friends, I'm thinking 52 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: about I could kill somebody and I will take them 53 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: into the woods. I'll lure them into the woods and 54 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: I will slice their throat. I will stab them to death. 55 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: At fourteen. That's how he's talking to friends. It always 56 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: amazes me. I think that looking back on my career 57 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: as a medical legal death investigator and the stuff that 58 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: I was exposed to, certainly from a professional perspective, but 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: the things that I've viewed out there that I would 60 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: come in contact not just on a weekly basis, but 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: on a daily basis many times, these things that you know, 62 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: you you don't want to talk about, you don't want 63 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: to kind of expose particularly your loved ones too. But 64 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: yet you'll have a boy essentially that longs, that actually 65 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: longs to perpetrate something like this. They don't understand, I 66 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: think the depths of sorrow they're about to unleash on 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: a family. Why this question, you know, you never actually 68 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: get an answer to most of the time, But you know, 69 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: for a moment, you pause and you think, did she 70 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: have an awareness? And I think that she did. Obviously 71 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: she certainly had an awareness. They were walking together. They 72 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: were ambling down that sidewalk which is caught on CCTV 73 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: together headed toward that wooded area. What for a moment 74 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: did she think the end game was going to be 75 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: in her innocent mind at that moment in time. But 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: yet that he has been having fantasies about this and 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: thinking about it and expressing this to individuals within his 78 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: circle goes to an entirely different level. You begin to 79 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: think what seed was planted within him that would drive 80 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: him to this where he would not just do it, 81 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: but be prepared to do it in advance. You think, 82 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: was he fantasizing about this for a protracted period of time? 83 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: How many other people are out there that he had 84 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: kind of sized up, maybe in his own way profiled 85 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: if you will. Is this somebody that I could get 86 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: alone just for a moment to indulge this fantasy, And 87 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: of course it's very primal. You don't know that he's 88 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: thinking beyond that from an evidentiary standpoint. You know, things 89 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: that we're going to look for as forensic scientists that 90 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: would be automatic tie backs. He's not thinking anywhere beyond 91 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: that moment, that thrill that he receives. Some people used 92 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: to use the term thrill killer. That term came up, 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: I think in the late fifties. Perhaps we've heard about 94 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: thrill killing for for some time, and was this merely 95 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: a thrill killing or is it something that's much deeper 96 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: and much darker? And it's certainly I think at least 97 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: it's certainly evidence that evil certainly does exist. We know 98 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: the one thing that we do have Joe's We do 99 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: have a timeline. Ten o'clock that morning, Tristan's mother calls 100 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: nine one one reports her daughter missing and again remember 101 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: they thought she was in bed, so ten am she's 102 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: reported missing. They start looking. Late in the afternoon, Florida 103 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: Missing Child aloerd has issued six o'clock. A resident who 104 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: had been on a run reports a dead body. Eight 105 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: o'clock that night, the Sheriff's office announced the body found. 106 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: They preliminarily identified her as Tristan. The sheriff says her 107 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: death was horrific Joe. When the investigators search Aidan Fuci's home, 108 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: they find a buck brand knife sheath, a pair of 109 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: wet white Nike shoes with blood on them, a T 110 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: shirt with blood on it, a white piece of paper 111 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: with handwriting with possible blood on it, and a pair 112 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: of wet blue denim genes in the laundry basket. They 113 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: also find blood and dirt on the drain in the 114 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: bathroom sink next to Aiden's bedroom. How is it possible 115 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: for forensics to pull the blood in whatever out of 116 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: genes that have already been washed well, sometimes within the 117 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: context of the structure of the gene. Talking about if 118 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 1: you don't use the right kind of detergent, something that's 119 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: going to eradicate a lot of the proteins there associated 120 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: with blood. There can always be something found that is 121 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: not initially recognizable. Forensically, we talk about things relative to 122 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: and I know the sounds rather simplistic, but we talk 123 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: about things from the perspective of we can see things 124 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: that can be seen with the unaided eye, and then 125 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: things that have to be seen with the aided eye. 126 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: And not many people have heard that phraseology before, but 127 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: it's certainly a term that is used regularly in the 128 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: medical legal community. And what that means is that if 129 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I look at an area questioned area, for instance, on 130 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: a pair of blue jeans, even if they are wet, 131 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: there might be a stain there, a question stain that 132 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: will stand out above the rest. Because even if you 133 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: get an area that has been previously supersaturated with blood, 134 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: you apply water to it, the water will have an 135 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: appearance that is specific to it. In the nature of water. However, 136 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: as we know, you can still appreciate an underlying stain. 137 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: Now if you apply some type of detergent to that 138 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: area and begin to scrub it. How many folks in 139 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: the audience have ever had the experience of saying, you 140 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: know what, I can't get to stain out. It's set 141 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: in at this point in time, and many times, no 142 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: matter how much you scrub it, you might get it 143 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: to diminish to a certain degree, but it takes time 144 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: to eradicate that the essence of the blood itself, everything 145 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: that's associated with various components of blood, and it will 146 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: be deep within the fibers of this material. And so 147 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: the next step, then, after you've kind of visualized this 148 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: area to suspect area, you're going to apply any type 149 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: of reagent that they have that is going to give 150 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: you an indication that there may or may not be 151 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: blood there, that something that will be reactive. You begin 152 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: to think about things like luminole perhaps, or you think 153 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: about things like amto black. They're applied to specific areas. 154 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: If you can get a sample that's viable, and then 155 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: you can do a DNA profile on it. We have 156 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: the linkage of her parents, and we can take swaps 157 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: from the parents. We can build a DNA profile and 158 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: say definitively, pretty much definitively, then let's see what the 159 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: phraseology is generally used. It's within a reasonable scientific certainty, right, 160 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: and so you can actually say, Okay, this is in fact, 161 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: this is in fact Distin's blood. And if that's the case, 162 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: the bigger question has to be asked, how in the 163 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: world did this thirteen year old girl's blood wind up 164 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: on this kid's pants, or on his shirt, or on 165 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: his shoes, maybe on the sheath or maybe even a weapon. 166 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: There are certain cases out there as an investigator when 167 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: you show up that when you see the devastation at 168 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: out of scene and what has happened to a young 169 00:10:54,200 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: life like this, you want answers and you want them quickly. 170 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: First off, I think that if you're a parent, you 171 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: look at this and you say that could be my child. 172 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: And secondly, there's an urgency to it too, And the 173 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: urgency is that if someone would do this, is the 174 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: rest of our community. Is the rest of the city, 175 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: the county or they at risk as well, because if 176 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: they will go to these links to literally rip a 177 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: young life to shreds, no one else is safe. And 178 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: that's why there was such a push and such a 179 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: concerted effort to determine what had happened and to get 180 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: this person off the street. I wanted to back up 181 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: just a minute because when we were breaking down the timeline, 182 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: I might have rushed over what we were dealing with there, 183 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: because you're starting with first report at ten am on 184 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: Sunday morning of hey, my daughter is missing. My thirteen 185 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: year old daughter. I thought she was in bed, she's 186 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: not here, and so immediately the police start pulling the 187 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: investigators start pulling everything they can along the street from 188 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: the standpoint of security cameras and things like that. I'm 189 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: sure they were doing cell phone tracking. You hear about 190 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: that a lot, and they were able to They being 191 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: the investigators, were able to basically using the footage from 192 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: the neighborhood in this cul de sac, they were able 193 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: to actually see Tristan walking down the street with this 194 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: I was going to say unidentified individual, but based on 195 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: the neighborhood size and things like that, they were pretty 196 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: much able to zero in on a possible suspect, not 197 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: suspect at the time, but the person walking with her. 198 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: They had a loose identification of who they thought it 199 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: might be. So you've got the entire neighborhood outlooking for Tristan, 200 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: and the police are bearing down on who's with her 201 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: because they see them go into the woods together and 202 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: they see one coming out alone and identify buying who 203 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: that individual is their first course of action. How do 204 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: they do that, Joe? How did they track that person 205 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: that they're following and try to figure out who is 206 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: this person that goes into the woods with Tristan and 207 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: comes out without her? Very simply put, it's it's cell 208 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: phone data. You know those things that these instruments that 209 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: can be used for good and bad, that are tracking 210 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: our movements all along the way, and so every time 211 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: you make a movement that they have the so fine tuned, now, Dave, 212 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: where there are tools that you can use to identify 213 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: how many steps and individuals taken. Can you imagine that 214 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: to get an idea their progression tracking them along a pathway, 215 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: and they don't have it fine tuned to the point 216 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: where it will give you absolute data, but it will 217 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: be a fantastic approximation. That was the key. You think 218 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: about how all this kicked off relative to the mother 219 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: calling it in. But you have to back up kind 220 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: of just a little bit before that, because the way 221 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: Triston's mother became aware that Tristan was not there is 222 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: that her siblings had actually gone into the bedroom to 223 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: wake her up. I don't know what her common habits were. Well, 224 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I can tell you that morning it was it was 225 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: Mother's Day. It was they were going to cook a 226 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: big breakfast for mom. Yeah, I know. And that's that's 227 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: the heartbreaking part of it. The siblings are excited about this, 228 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, they want Tristan to be involved in this. 229 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: They celebrate mom and they walk in and can you 230 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: imagine their reaction these kids when they walk in there 231 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: and and sister's not in there, Well, immediately they're going 232 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: to be line for mom. You know, I don't know 233 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: about in your family and my family. When my kids 234 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: were little, it was a big deal. Mother's Day was 235 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: a big deal because you want to take care of mom. 236 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: You want to demonstrate to her home how much you 237 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: love her, do little things for her like cook breakfast. 238 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: And so immediately parent panic absolutely sets in. We're not 239 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: talking about even a sixteen year old here, Dave. We're 240 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: talking about thirteen year old. This is a child and 241 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: she's gone. She's not there, and there's no signs of 242 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: any kind of forced entry break in. It's not like 243 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: her bedroom window is necessarily has been broken out in 244 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: order for somebody to have come in to snatch her. 245 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: So you begin to develop this narrative as an investigator, 246 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: and of course this is going to point back to 247 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: this digital evidence that's there, that is going to be 248 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: tracking all the way along, and you begin to narrow 249 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: down your list of suspects who might have had accessibility 250 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: to her, who was in her friend group, if you will, 251 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: who might have had the potential to lure her outside 252 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: of that home, and what did they use in order 253 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: to lure her, And of course their darkest spheres came 254 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: to fruition as the investigation starts with the missing person 255 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: family members. Sorry, at midnight and ten am the next morning, 256 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: she's gone, So we already have that window. We know 257 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: it took place in that time period, and then her 258 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: body was found. Now, Joe, I don't even really know 259 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: how to ask you this, and I don't want to 260 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: offend anybody, but I'm trying to picture what it would 261 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: take to actually cut a person. I've never stabbed a person. 262 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: I see it in movies, we talk about it on 263 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: the show. But we've got a hundred and fourteen stab wounds, Joe, 264 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: We've got thirty five stab wounds to the head and neck, 265 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: And the question I have for you is, according to investigators, 266 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: around forty nine defensive stab wounds on her hands, arms, 267 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: and face. How do you figure out defensive wound versus 268 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: non defensive wound when you're doing an examination of remains 269 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: that have been subjected to sharp four's injuries and the 270 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: sharp word's injuries come in three different categories. It's generally 271 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: whether we look at them. First off, you have puncture 272 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: wounds that can range all the way from an ice pick. 273 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: When I first started working in the field, old guys 274 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: used to carry ice picks in their boots or in 275 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: their shoes. They would carry them as primarily a defensive weapon, 276 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: or inside their sock. You imagine how uncomfortable that was. Well, 277 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: a puncture one can range all the way from an 278 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: ice pick to somebody being impaled on a piece of 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: rebar on a tree branch. That's a puncture wound, and 280 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: even down finer than an ice pick. We refer to 281 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: needles as npws, which are actually needle puncture wounds. You'll 282 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: see them abbreviated in medical records is npws, and that 283 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: goes to like administration of drugs perhaps sometimes then the 284 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: next category we have our incized wounds, some people would 285 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: say slices, but incized is more accurate. And in size 286 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: wind can be everything from a surgeon making an incision 287 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: to start some type of procedure, for instance, or it 288 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: can range all the way up to somebody being decapitated. 289 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: That could be an incised wound, all right. And there's 290 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: multiple little variations beneath that category. And of course that 291 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: brings us to stab wounds. And stab wounds are a 292 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: category where we term them, and this is kind of 293 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: how we separate stabs from in sized wounds. Stab wounds 294 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: themselves are generally more narrow and deep, okay. Slices or 295 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: in sized wounds are shallow, okay, shallow and long, all right. 296 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: So that's kind of how you delineate between two. And 297 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: when you begin to think about this kind of number, 298 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: when you're getting into those numbers that are above about 299 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: thirty okay, and we're way in excess of that, sometimes 300 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: it's very difficult and the more to begin to understand 301 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: what is and is not a singular wound, because you 302 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: can have wounds that are communicating, and that's one of 303 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: the like when I say communicating, if you've got someone 304 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: that is attacking someone, they're Obviously they're in very close proximity, 305 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: and every time that knife is driven in, you'll have 306 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: injuries where the intersection of certain injuries are it's hard 307 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: to delineate between the two. You can have overlapping injuries, 308 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: so something that you might be counting as one might 309 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: actually be two if you were to look at it 310 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: in reality. And that is important. See people think a 311 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: lot of people would say, well, Morgan, why is it 312 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: so essential, Well, you're telling the story of what happened 313 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: to the poor victim. The victims certainly can't speak for themselves, 314 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: and the accused is going to have every person in 315 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: the world speaking on their behalf and they don't have 316 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: to say anything in court. But you want to be 317 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: able to tell the victim's story. And that's why it's 318 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: so important when we begin to count these things out 319 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: in the Morgan, and trust me, it's it's hard. You 320 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: don't want to do it, but it's something that is essential. 321 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: And you get to that point, you have to assess 322 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: the injuries themselves. And we're just talking about on the surface, Okay, 323 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: When we open the remains and we begin to look 324 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: at the track of these stab wounds, those are going 325 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: to be kind of classified as shallow or deep. There 326 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: can be a medium thickness to them. What you're trying 327 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: to do is assess what kind of damage, because you 328 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: can have a stab wound, for instance, that passes through 329 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: the top layer of skin. Obviously we have the epidermis, 330 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: the dermis, subcue fat, and then you're going through that level, 331 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: maybe some muscle, and you get to a rib, well, 332 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: the stab wound itself will abruptly stop right whereas if 333 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: that stab wound were to be moved, say just two centimeters, 334 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: you might go through the intercostal space, which is the 335 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: muscular area between the ribs, and now you're into the organs, 336 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: you're into the heart, and the lungs, liver depend upon 337 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: where the wound is actually associated are identified, and so 338 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: you have to take the measure of all these and 339 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of an interesting method of examination that we will 340 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: use in this way. If we do this, we can 341 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: avoid showing graphic photos in the morgue because you know, 342 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: stab wounds. When you're trying to display these things, they're 343 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: going to be viewed by the defense and by the court. 344 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: I guess it's very prejudicial because they're so very gory. 345 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: But what we will do is we'll take a plastic 346 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: overlay after the body is cleaned, and we will lay 347 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: that over the body. And did you know that we 348 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: can take a marker and we can actually do a 349 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: hand rendering of each one of these injuries, and then 350 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: you peel this up, okay, And so you have this 351 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: representation on clear plastic of these injuries being drawn out, 352 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 1: and you can overlay that on say an anatomical model 353 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: without showing gore, okay, without going over the top, and 354 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: say these are the injuries that this victim sustained. And 355 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: you don't ever have to get into that prejudicial stuff 356 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: that involves all of those Corey photographs. Now some of 357 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: them are necessary, and in Tristan's case, there's any number 358 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: of things that we can probably tell about what the 359 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: dynamic of this event was, and that's going to be important. 360 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: You'd mentioned the defensive wounds. When you say defensive wound 361 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: or when it's stated as defensive wound and it is 362 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: identified by the pathologist as such, there's one key thing 363 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: that you have to have with it. You have to 364 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: have hemorrhage, because if an individual has a defensive wound, 365 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: that implies that they are aware enough to defend themselves. 366 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: So if they're blocking where they throw their arm up 367 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: in the air and that the blade of that knife 368 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: passes through that area, you're going to have en dwelling 369 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: hemorrhage there. Because you can stab someone in the arm 370 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: post mortem, there's not going to be any hemorrhage there. 371 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: That's not evidence of a defensive act. That's just a 372 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: post mortem insult. And some of these would probably be 373 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: postmortem on her, some of these injuries that she has sustained. 374 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: From an overall perspective, I don't know with this many 375 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: wounds how long she could have survived. And then you 376 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: have this migration that takes place by the perpetrator where 377 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: once you get past her defensive ability, you're now into 378 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: the torso. And then once you get past torso, you 379 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: begin to describe all of these where she's been attacked 380 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: about her head. You think about this, you think, well, 381 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 1: it was he laying on top of her, was he 382 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: cradling her while he was doing this? Did he have 383 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: her in some type of pose while he was doing this? 384 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: How much of this was done anti mortem which means 385 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: before death? How much of it was done harry mortem, 386 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: which means to turn the throes of death and how 387 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: much of this stuff was done post mortem. So there's 388 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: a lot to assess on many levels when you begin 389 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: to talk about stab wounds. It's not as I hate 390 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: to refer to gainst that wounds as simplistic, because I 391 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: can be highly complicated. But when you get up into 392 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: edged weapon events, there's a certain amount of intellectual sophistication 393 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: that has to be in place on the part of 394 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: the individual is making the determination about these because it's 395 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: such a dynamic event. Forty nine defensive stab wounds. I mean, 396 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: she was struggling fighting off her killer. Forty nine Nearly 397 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: half of the stab wounds were defensive, and when you 398 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: look at it like that, you realize this girl gave 399 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: everything she had to take down that assailant who just 400 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't stop. We do know something about Tristan and her 401 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: athletic pursuits. She was a competitive cheerleader, and she's not 402 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: somebody that that would have just, I don't think, just 403 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of gone quietly. And that's kind of evidenced in 404 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: the perpetrator and what was left behind him, because he 405 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: did have marks on his hand, which some of these 406 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: could be associated with her attempting to fend him off. 407 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: They're out in a kind of a wooded area, so 408 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: some of that stuff might be scratching himself on the 409 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: local flora that's out there, whether it's some type of 410 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: foreign or something like that. But tree branches, that sort 411 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: of thing, low growth scrub. That's the key here, I think, 412 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: and that's why it's so very important anytime the police 413 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: take someone into custody, particularly this soon after the fact, 414 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: you want to take as many photographs of and I'm 415 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: not talking listen, I want every all of our listeners 416 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: to understand I'm not talking about mug shots here, not 417 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: talking about mugshots. I'm talking about where you have this 418 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: individual essentially stripped down to their underwear, and you take 419 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: images of all the planes of the body. You know, 420 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: you're going to take anterior shots, posterior shots. You're going 421 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: to go up and down the arms. You're gonna look 422 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: at the neck. You're gonna ask them to hold their 423 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: head back. If they've got long hair, which he did 424 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: at that point in time, pull your hair up in 425 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: the back. We want to see the back of your neck, 426 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: up and down, the arms, the hands, both aspects of 427 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: the hands. I want to take detail photographs of your nails. 428 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: I want to see if any of your nails are chipped, 429 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: because you know they're going to be doing that. The 430 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: more with the victim, this is the deal. This poor 431 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: child's rest and she'll never heal. He will, and you 432 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: have to capture that moment in time where you freeze it. 433 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: That's the beauty of photography when it comes to crime 434 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: scene and documentation of crimes, is that just for a 435 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: moment in time, you freeze time, You freeze the healing 436 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: process if you will. I know some people find that ridiculous, 437 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: but you know your own kind of this continuum where 438 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: the further the perpetrator moves down that timeline and natural 439 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: healing process it's going to take place. So it's it's 440 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: so very important that you get to them early where 441 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: you can document all of the stuff, so that you 442 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: have a record of this going back, going back to 443 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 1: the point where when this thing goes to trial, that 444 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: you can actually document it and say this is what happened. 445 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: It's hard to find the right hadget of I think 446 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: when talking about this case descriptively, it's very very difficult. 447 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: I do know this, I do know this, This perpetrator 448 00:27:54,359 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: attacked interesting so very viciously that when and they conducted 449 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: her examination, her postmortem examination, they did postmortal X rays, 450 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: which means that a medical examiner took portable X ray machine, 451 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: had her remains on a table much like they do 452 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: in the hospital, and began to take full body X 453 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: rays of her. And when they developed that film, when 454 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: they developed that film, they put that film up on 455 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: that lightboard in that morgue and they looked at it, 456 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: and there in her skull was a tiny triangular shaped 457 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: radio opaque mass. I know what it was. It was 458 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: a tip of a buck knife. She was attacked with 459 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: such force that the tip of this knife was actually 460 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: broken off in her skull. Sometimes things are just beyond description, 461 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: aren't they. I'm speechless. It just it hits your heart 462 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: at such a level that I couldn't even I know, 463 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: we're doing a program, and I couldn't even speak. Joe 464 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: aiden Fucci, his friends knew about his fascination with knives. 465 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: He had two that he actually named Picker and Poker. 466 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: And the one that you're talking about where the tip 467 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: little triangle had broken off, that was from the knife 468 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: he called Poker. To back up and set the stage 469 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: for all that occurred. They're in the same neighborhood, they 470 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: go to the same private school. They do what thirteen 471 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: and fourteen year olds do. They sneak out in the 472 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: middle of the night, not to do any kind of 473 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: crazy harm, just because they're ten feet tall and bulletproof. 474 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: They're hanging out doing what they're not supposed to do. 475 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: But Aiden has an actual plan and once he gets 476 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: her to the woods, according to his statement to police, 477 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: he tried to kiss her. She rebuffed him, she pushed 478 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,959 Speaker 1: him back, and that's where all of what then happened began. 479 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: So a fourteen year old trying to kiss this thirteen 480 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: year old cheerleader, she rebuffs him, he attacks. When police 481 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: went looking for evidence, they found the knife inter retention 482 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: pond near where Tristan's body was found, And of course 483 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: we talked earlier about the clothing that was found in 484 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: his home. Aiden's mother was charged with trying to cover 485 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: up this crime. She knew what she was doing when 486 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: she washed his bloody jeans, which is why they were 487 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: wet when police got there. So you've got all of 488 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: this going on. The police have figured out Aiden Fucci 489 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: is now their suspect, but while her family and friends 490 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: are still looking for her, they haven't found her body yet. 491 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: He's in the back of the squad car and he's 492 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: heading to the police department where they're going to question him, 493 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: and he's snapchats. He takes a picture from the back 494 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: of the squad car and he actually snapchats a picture 495 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: and said, and he captions it. Hey, guys, anybody's seen 496 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: Tristan lately. The level of horror that this extends too, 497 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that I can adequately describe it. Let's 498 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: start with a knife. The knife itself. I think if 499 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: he looked at this from the perspective of a prosecutor, 500 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: which I am, not me, it goes to preparation. You know, 501 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: you're thinking about this. You've got this with you, how 502 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: convenient and with Tristan. She's thirteen, As you had mentioned, 503 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: there's an innocence to that. You know, at that age, 504 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: many of us, including me, I'm chief among centners, snuck 505 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: out when we were teenagers. That's what teenagers do, and 506 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: there is a level of innocence to it. You're beginning 507 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: to sense adulthood and you've got a kid that's older 508 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: than you, that's paying attention to you. It's no fault 509 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: of hers. What she didn't realize is that this this 510 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: person that she was with, he wanted to use her 511 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: for his pleasure in that moment, to completely destroy her. 512 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: And he did. And the fact that one of the 513 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: more chilling aspects to this is that his mother had 514 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: an awareness of this because she had talked about how 515 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: the clothing was wet, you know, went to search the area. 516 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: It's not like she just threw it in the washing machine. 517 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: She took these pants over to a sink and began 518 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: to scrub them. Think about that, just for a second. 519 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: She knows that this thirteen year old child has been 520 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: slaughtered and here she is. Man. I know everybody will say, well, 521 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: you'll do anything to help your children, but just let 522 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: this resonate just for a moment. You're now attempting to 523 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: what you have to at least have some inkling of 524 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: scrub her blood out of your child's pants because you 525 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: want to, I don't know, protect him, protect him, or 526 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: you want to facilitate him getting away with it. I 527 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: think that that's a question that should be asked. I 528 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: don't know if it'll ever be answered. Like many things, 529 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: in this case, Steve, And that's what happens when somebody 530 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: pleads guilty at first he pled not guilty, getting ready 531 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: for trial, getting ready to get a jury together. You 532 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: mentioned it to start everything, Joe, he said. He says, 533 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, my bad. That doesn't explain anything. I don't 534 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: know that it provides any kind of solace for the 535 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: family at all. And all I'm doing is sitting here thinking, 536 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: I get it that a mom at protecting her son. 537 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: But how can that mom who's protecting her son not 538 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: think about the other family and their daughter who's not 539 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: coming home. How do you not have that kind of 540 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: empathy and sympathy, Because there's something really wrong there with that. Yeah, 541 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: I think that there is. You had mentioned these advances 542 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: that he alleged he attempted to kiss her, she pushed 543 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: him way, you know, the story changed. He claims that 544 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: she aggressively grabbed at his crotch and he pushed her 545 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: down and maybe struck her head. Then he puts forth 546 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: this idea that this child, thirteen year old, was involved 547 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: in some connection to drugs in some way, like someone 548 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: would have done this to her, like this child would 549 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: have owed somebody money. So they're going to make a statement, 550 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: and it's so far flung at that point in time. 551 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: I can only imagine that when the police were interviewing 552 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: him and they begin to get these stories and they're 553 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: listening to it, they know, they know, they're just waiting 554 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: for him to go full in and admit to what 555 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: he has done. And of course that that didn't happen. 556 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: It didn't happen until he's standing in front of the 557 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: judge and he admits to it all and he pleads guilty. 558 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: He doesn't face the death penalty. Joe at sentencing, the 559 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: best he can get his life in prison or is 560 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: it forty years? Is it one of those things, Well, yeah, 561 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: it's it's going to be forty to life. An interesting 562 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: side note here is that since he committed this brutal 563 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: homicide at such a young age in Florida, is not 564 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: eligible for the death penalty. It carries a forty years 565 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: sentence minimum forty years to life. But here's the thing, 566 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: after he starts serving his sentence twenty five years from now, 567 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: he'll be eligible for a review. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan 568 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: and this is Body Backs