1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Good stuff so far. We're really energetic. This morning. A 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: chicken to a chicken. Everybody, come and meet this cow. 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Why cows? Pretty nice? The meat the cow is made 4 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: entirely of beat. Okay, that's true. I don't know about 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: entire there's some bone in there somewhere. Hey, unless there isn't. 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: That's why you want to see cow. Meet cow. Come 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: and meet the meat cow. Everybody come to the meat 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: cow farm. They got no bones and they got no hoofs. 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: Called just meat. It's real good. We also got a 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: farm hand cheese. Pretty new. New to the game of 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: rhyming with you, dang great new. Everybody's got to start 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: somewhere here. That's funny. You're invited to have a beer, okay, alright, alright, 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: So finally getting into season for a West World. You know, 14 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: we don't have lives, so it's just TV. It's just 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, every day is just marked by the passing 16 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: of television shows. Isn't that just everyone? Now? Though? Hey, 17 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Pretty good? Been watching this TV show? 18 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've been watching this TV show. How interesting? 19 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: Tell me about the TV show you watch? Tell me 20 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: I should watch it. I won't tell you. You should 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: watch this TV show. What a connection we've made. I 22 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: see you in three years. This is another argument for 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: living forever because I want to finish TV. I want to. 24 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I want to. I'm a completionist and I want to 25 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: see all of TV at some point. Wow, do you 26 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: mean TV in other countries as well of TV? I 27 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: want to watch Korean soapar pres anal. Then can they 28 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: get like allion trillion episodes? I'm going to have to incredible. 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to get you know, screens going at 30 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 1: the same time. It's going to look like the last 31 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: scene in the Matrix two. Just TVs everywhere, So I 32 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: I guess sensory overload. I look at that anything, take 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: the r C A cable and I run it into 34 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: all the TVs. They said, there's a box and then 35 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: I plug that into my brain. Okay, it would be funny, though, 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: I have to say, like if you just like if 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I was suddenly given martial arts prowess, but no more 38 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: muscles than I already have, Like I could kick and punch, 39 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: but they wouldn't have a lot of power behind them. Right. Well, 40 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: they also had the technology that I'm waiting for, where 41 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: they just plugged a bunch of needles into your skin 42 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: and rebuild your muscles while you just lay there. There 43 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: was The only Star Wars book I ever read was 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: Shadows of the Empire, and Prince She's Or was the 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: guy in that. And I remember he had like a 46 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: little electronic device that he plugged that he put on 47 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: his body and it electronically contracted his muscles while he 48 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: was doing other stuff, so he was working out without 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: having to work out. They they sort of have that. 50 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: I think it's mostly you know, yeah, it's it's mostly 51 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: snake oil. But if they could get that tech going 52 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: for you know, saved me a lot of time. We 53 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: spent a whole hour at the gym this morning just 54 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: then out there pumped some iron. I never read any 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Star Wars books, but I did read the novelization of 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: Independence Day, Independence Day, the novelization how to hold up 57 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: The movie is better you're reading it going, I guess 58 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: I wish I was watching it. I had, I distinctly 59 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: remember even as a kid, I knew this was silly, 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: But I had the novelization of the movie Jurassic Park. 61 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: And but there's there's already a novel of this. But 62 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, they are very different. They are very different. 63 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: And this one had cool pictures in the middle one. 64 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: It was hard to find pictures of movies you can 65 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: just get You could just go on the internet and 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: find a picture from a movie. You had to buy 67 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: a book that had him in the center. It's a 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: very big selling point. Like the middle of this book 69 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: there's screenshots from the film, like what eight full color. 70 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, it's like watching the movie without 71 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: watching the movie. Those were the days. They were some 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: days that tough. Back then. We had to We had 73 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: tough it out. Use our imagination to read the novelization 74 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: of a movie we already. That was another thing. Lego sets, 75 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, they just had generic sci fi Lego sets. 76 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: They didn't have a Star Wars Lego set. I had 77 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: to make my own Star Wars Lego set. I used 78 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: my imagination. Damn it. Now it's all brand The most 79 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: Grandpasha you say is the Lego drives me crazy doing 80 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: it all for him. He kids today they got no 81 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: imagination branded this and that. When I was your age, 82 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: we opened that box and we pretended, well it's time 83 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: to lego this banter and get into the story. Today 84 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: we're back with Walt Whitman today. Yeah, and hopefully enjoyed 85 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: the first episode where he found he made his true 86 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: love Peter Doyle. And you know Cruise for some Assid 87 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: was out there. Yeah. Again, you think you think of writers, 88 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: it's like very solitary people, and in a lot of 89 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: ways he was. But that doesn't mean you know, I'm 90 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: not dead, right do I? If you writers, if you 91 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: brick us, do we not bleed? If you shake that 92 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: ass in front of us? Do we not want to thurstday? 93 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: Do we not? First? Walt was thirsty, but yeah, when 94 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: we last left Walt, Yeah, he had met his true 95 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: love Peter Doyle, He had finally gained some literary acclaim 96 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: for his poems So Captain, My Captain and Lilacs in 97 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: the Dooryard, and he was even getting an addition of 98 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: Leaves of Grass published in the UK Across the pond Um, 99 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: even though it had been edited quite a bit, which 100 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: he was not very happy about. He didn't like to 101 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: edit his work down, but he's like fine, whatever whatever 102 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: it takes. But his words certainly won the hearts of 103 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: at least two authors in England and Ireland, and their 104 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: letters to Walt are so full of love and adoration 105 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: and passion that they could make you blush. So let's 106 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: hear about the joys of nineteenth century fan boys and 107 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: the heartbreak of friends zoning. Oh my, okay, let's go. Hey, 108 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: they're French, Come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some 109 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking a romantic tips. It's 110 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: just about ridiculous relationships, a lover. It might be any 111 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: type of person at all, and abstract concept from a 112 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: concrete wall. But if there's a story. Were the second 113 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: Glance show Ridiculous Romance a production of I Heart Radio 114 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: and Gil Christ was an englishwoman. She married at twenty 115 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: three years old. She had four kids with her literary 116 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: critic husband, and they didn't make much money, but he 117 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: was very highly respected in the writing community. So they're friends. 118 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: Included people like George Elliott and Thomas Carlyle and John 119 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: Ruskin and Christina Rosetti. Surely AUTHORI names names that probably 120 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: mattered to a lot of people I'm not familiar with 121 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: not too familiar with many of them either. But but 122 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: if you were big, they were, then name you were 123 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: late nineteenth century literature person whoa man. It's like we 124 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: just named the Beatles. That's right, Oh ship, people just 125 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: knocking down barriers to get to Christina Rosette's right. Her 126 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: neighbors were like, who's who, Who's what? What wrote? Who 127 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: wrote some ship? Who's who? Who wrote them? Well, Anne's 128 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: husband tragically died of scarlet fever when Anne was only 129 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: thirty three years old. And Anne was like, extremely smart, 130 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: she's very well read. She was interested in science and 131 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: philosophy and beauty and all of these things. And so 132 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: she decided, you know what, I'm going to finish my 133 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: husband's biography of William Blake, the Pope. Uh little lamb. 134 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: That's right. Dost thou know who made them? You're a 135 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: big You're William Blake fan. Now I would not say that, 136 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: but I knew William Blake well, partly from Oh I 137 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: know what it's from the Blade Runner video game. The 138 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: bad guy in that quoted a lot of William Blake. 139 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: He said, what was it? It was, um, hang on, 140 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: I know this one. Uh yeah, you know what? Quick 141 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: stop poetry corner to read this William Blake. Bo. I 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: was angry with my friend. I told my wrath. My 143 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: wrath did end. I was angry with my foe. I 144 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: told it not. My wrath did grow and that was 145 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: like his his thing in the game. Yeah, those replicants, 146 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: very poetic androids. Well, and look how educational the Blade 147 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: Runner video game was. Yeah, I learned about William Blake. 148 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: You know. I bet your teachers tried to interest you 149 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: in William Blake, didn't get anywhere. But then that Blade 150 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: Runner video game, boom. You could just pull it out 151 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: of your ass. You said that without even looking it up. 152 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: It's called I did have to look up the title. 153 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: It's called a Poison Tree. There's a lot more too, 154 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: it I just that's a selection. I do like that. Actually. Well, 155 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: Anne's husband had been working on a very good biography 156 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: of William Blake, and so when he died before he 157 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: was able to finish it, so and it's like, you know, well, 158 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: let me take up the pen get this done. And 159 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: with the help of Christina Rossetti's brothers, Gabriel and William Rossetti, 160 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: who were publishers, UM the Blake biography was published in 161 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, too great acclaim and and Gil Chris. 162 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: Her name started to really means something to a lot 163 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: of people. Um And a few years later, in eighteen 164 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: sixty seven, William Rossetti read Leaves of Grass and he 165 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: fell hard for it. He said, quote, it was the 166 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: most sonorous, poetic voice of the tangibilities of actual and 167 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: perspective democracy. But he decided, you know, he would cut 168 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the volume in half and publish it with the subtitle 169 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: A Selection of Poems by Walt Whitman, so he could 170 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: kind of leave out the more salacious stuff, probably the 171 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: calumus clusters typically um to make it more plaudible for 172 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: British readers. And again, Walt women was not thrilled by 173 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: this chase, but he was like, fine, whatever, whatever cells 174 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: because that He's like, I guess if that's what it takes, 175 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: then fine. Um. And William thought, you know, and I 176 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: would like this thing. I think I'm gonna give her 177 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: a copy. So he sends one over to her and 178 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: she reads it, and Anne was immediately a fangirl for life. 179 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: She told her a publisher, William Rosetti, and a letter, quote, 180 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: your edition of Walt Whitman's poems holds me entirely spellbound, 181 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: and I go through it again and again with deepening 182 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: delight and wonder. It moved her so much that she 183 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: anonymously published a glowing review called an English Woman's Estimate 184 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: of Walt Whitman. It was so full of praise and 185 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: full just complete comprehension of his work that Walt said 186 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: he'd never get a better review in his life. She 187 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: got it, Yeah, like this, whoever wrote this? They get it. 188 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: Two years later and decided that she was going to 189 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: reveal that she was the writer of that essay in 190 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: a very passionate personal letter to Walt Whitman, it said, 191 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: quote in May eighteen sixty nine, came the voice over 192 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: the Atlantic to me, Oh, the voice of my mate. 193 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: It must be so. My love rises up out of 194 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: the very depths of the grief and tramples upon despair. 195 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: I can wait any time, a lifetime, many lifetimes. I 196 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: can suffer, I can dare, I can learn, grow toil. 197 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: But nothing in life or death can tear out of 198 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: my heart the passionate belief that one day I shall 199 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: hear that voice say to me, my mate, the one 200 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I so much want, bride, wife, indissoluble, eternal. It is 201 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: not happiness. I lead with God, for it is the 202 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: very life of my soul. My love is It's life. 203 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: Dear Walt, my god. Heyo, and the first letter she 204 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: said to him, and Walt slowly folded it back up, 205 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: put it back in the envelope, threw it into the sea. 206 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: My bride, I never saw this. Yikes, yikes, that is 207 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: coming on a little strong, a little bit. Yeah, She's like, 208 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm not holding back. I tell you exactly what's going 209 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: on with me, Dear Walt loved your book, and also 210 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: I would cut out my heart and give it to 211 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: you as you have cut out your heart and given 212 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,239 Speaker 1: it to me on ages. Clearly, No, he actually responded 213 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: to this letter very graciously. We talked to him, being generous, 214 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: pretty non judgmental guy, like, let me you know, I 215 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: see what's going on here. So he basically was kind 216 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: of telling her like, yeah, you're so cool that you understood. 217 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: I put my whole heart and soul into my book Leaves. 218 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: I've given everything I've got to it. You're so cool 219 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: for understanding it. And I guess that does make us 220 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: sort of mate that technically in a way, like really 221 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: really good friends. But over the next several years, she 222 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: would write to him many times about her ardor and 223 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: her devotion and everything, like how much she admired him 224 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: and wanted to be with him and everything, even though 225 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: he was not very responsive. After a ten months silence 226 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: from him, she wrote him a letter where she's like, Okay, 227 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: maybe I came on too strong right out thinking I'm 228 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: sorry about that. I won't write to you like that anymore. 229 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I want you to know that I would be totally 230 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: cool to just be friends with you, Like we don't 231 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: need to do the bride wife made thing. That's fine, 232 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm cool, You're cool. We're cool every school here. But 233 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: then in the very next line, she's like, but I 234 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: love you, and I would die for you and would 235 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: be perfect together, and I would had out my heart 236 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: and serve it up on a PLATTERU for you, And 237 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: can't you say that? It's just like immediately flips the scribes, 238 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god. But in eighteen seventy three, sadly Walt 239 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: had a stroke and this paralyzed him and had affected 240 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: his health for the rest of his life. He moved 241 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: to Camden, New Jersey to live with his brother George 242 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: and his mother Peter Doyle remember his love that he 243 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: found in the first episode of The bus Driver Long 244 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: term relationship. He moved nearby as well to help take 245 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: care of Walt. But it was just a really tough 246 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: time around this year because besides the stroke, Walt's mother 247 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: as well as one of his beloved sisters died just 248 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: one after the other. He wrote to Ann that he 249 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: was sorry that he hadn't been in touch. Life had 250 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: been tough lately. You know, I'm going through a lot 251 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: right now. I know everybody says that, but I kind 252 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: of really have been. But he let her know that 253 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: he was okay, she shouldn't worry about him. Maria Popova 254 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: on the Marginalien dot Org writes, quote, he then did 255 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: something astound, something the effect of which on a love 256 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: struck heart he must not have realized, he wrote, quote 257 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: the enclosed ring I have just taken from my finger 258 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: and sent to you with my love. Oh Walt, no, no, no, 259 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: oh my god. Well Anne gets this ring that her 260 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: the object of her obsessions sent her, and of course 261 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: she's like a drill, my beloved. I will wear this 262 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: ring until I die. I could feel you in it. 263 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: It will never leave my finger. This is the most 264 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: important to my pressure, my precious ring, and no one 265 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: can take it from me. It's my own. And then 266 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: she's like, hey, since you sent me this ring. How 267 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: about I moved to America? Isn't that a great idea, Walt, 268 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: I'll just come there ship. Then of course it's like, 269 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: uh no, that's okay, that's really not necessarily like you're good. 270 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: Where are you at? Maria Popova theorizes that Well was 271 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: not just concerned about, you know, her expectations for a 272 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: romantic relationship between them, or possibly having to reveal his 273 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, true sexuality to her, any of that. All 274 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: that was probably going on in his brain. But Maria 275 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: kind of is like, also, he must have realized that 276 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: she has put Walt on this pedestal that is impossible 277 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: to live. Yeah, so he's like, if you meet me 278 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: in person, all I can do is disappoint you. I 279 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: can't be the man you your mate that you want. 280 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm never going to live up to whoever 281 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: you've got in your brain that you're writing too. Because 282 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: I love your letters, but I don't know who this 283 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: guy is. Because when you, you know, don't meet your heroes, 284 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: isn't just that they'll be pieces of ship. It's often 285 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: that just like you have set, you have created a 286 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: version of them that can't exist right, And you will 287 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: inevitably be disappointed, not necessarily because they're bad people. That 288 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: that that quote I think misinterpreted a lot of this, 289 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: like don't meet your heroes because they'll be piece of 290 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: sh But it's just like, don't meet your heroes because 291 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: they cannot possibly be the character you've created. Right, right, 292 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: They're going to do something stupid and you're gonna go right, 293 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: They're gonna be human beings exactly. You I hate human 294 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: being a god among men. But Anne would not be 295 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: persuaded against moving, and she was like, honestly, her daughter 296 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: Beatrice wanted to become a doctor, and in England it 297 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: was basically impossible for a woman to do that because 298 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: they were not allowed in the hospitals to complete their 299 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: clinical training, so they could read a book all day long, 300 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: but they couldn't actually go work with any patients or anything. 301 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: So she's like, well, Beatrice wants to be a doctor, 302 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: you can get that training in America. I'm moving to 303 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: America to be a good mom, not because I'm thirsty 304 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: for this poet. I am a wonderful mother. So in 305 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six, she sets sale, moved herself and three 306 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: of her kids to America and unfortunately, Anne was not 307 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: love struck enough to just show up on his doorstep 308 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: in Camden, New Jersey or something with like a bagpact um. Instead, 309 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: she settled in Concord, Massachusetts. She made friends with Ralph 310 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: Waldo Emerson and her other literary neighbors there, and she 311 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: did finally get to meet Walt in person, and we 312 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: will see what that meaning is like. Right after this 313 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: commercial break, welcome back to the show everyone. Right before 314 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: the break, we talked about Ann's daughter Beatrice wanting to 315 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: become a doctor in England, but they wouldn't let women 316 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: into the hospitals to complete their training. I'm just I'm 317 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: just trying to imagine the well, I mean, it's not 318 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: hard to imagine what the thought process was there, you know. 319 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's like, oh, I have a woman in 320 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: the hospital, of all to distracting. Well, if I'm doing 321 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: all hot surgery and I see a boob, the hand 322 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: could go crazy. Whoa, I'll be so distracted. I do 323 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: think it's weird though, because I feel like there must 324 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: have been female nurses still. Yeah, well your nurses you 325 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: could wait outside. We don't need you. You gotta like 326 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: run us, you know, sponge and they gotta like do 327 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: a bucket brigade to get the sponge to it, the 328 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: big blanket over their heads, just a really long stick 329 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: from outside the window. Or male nurses or male nurses, 330 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: which I'm that's what I'm like. I guess I would 331 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: have to look into it, because I don't know for sure. 332 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: But maybe it really was just the Great War that 333 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: made a lot of women, you know, start nursing because 334 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: the men were off fighting, right, kind of changed a 335 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: lot of medical stuff. Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. 336 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: If you know, let me know. I didn't look it up. 337 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: Oh ship turns out a brain attached to two legs 338 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: and two hands or any number of legs and any 339 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: murmur of hands is still useful to me. Amazing, but 340 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: still not see a boob. Okay, So Anne comes to 341 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: America and she finally meets her Adonis. Walt Whitman, by 342 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: the way, is it in his sixties? Well, Maria Popova writes, quote, 343 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: under the hard light of reality and Gilchrist's idealized romantic 344 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: love soon melted into a warm and large hearted affection 345 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: that would bind the two for the remainder of their lives. Well, 346 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: that's nice. Yeah, so she sees him, but she's like, 347 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: wait a minute, I have definitely I've been picturing Joe 348 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: Manginello and I show. I thought this was my Salt 349 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: and Pepper's daddy, but turns out it's just a regular. 350 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: It's like an old guy, and you know what's really 351 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: cool guy. I love you, You're so great. But what 352 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: was I thinking? Super cool old guy who's going to 353 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: be a great friend of mine. But I'm I'm glad 354 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: that she didn't like get stubborn about it and stick 355 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: with you know, because some people do that even if 356 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: they don't really aren't really in love, They're just like, 357 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: well that's what I thought, So I have to stay 358 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: with that somehow. I'm glad she was like, no, we talked, 359 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: we had a lovely meeting, and you know what, this 360 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: is just a really good friend. Yeah, just like oh 361 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh this makes more sense. Actually, you know what. 362 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: It turns out I was living in La La Lands 363 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: in my head and this is actually way more like 364 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: reality now that I think. I wonder if she's like, 365 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: I just really missed my husband and we you know, 366 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: like like with Walt, I would tell him what I 367 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: thought about things. I read and I, you know, just 368 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: a similar intellectual maybe connection to that, and she's sort 369 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: of like, did some transference type type thing maybe, And 370 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: when she met him, she's like, I don't really want 371 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: to Yeah, I don't want to fuck you. I don't 372 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: want to live with you. I don't know what I 373 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: was thinking. I'm just so glad that I did at 374 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: least she did reach out though and make this wonderful 375 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: relationships between them. Well, if it just shows you truly 376 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: how intoxicating language can be and how powerful these words 377 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: were that Walt was writing. And he's like, getting ladies, 378 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, five thousand miles away, all turned up. They're nickers, 379 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: were in a twist, So after that they're like total buzz. 380 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: Walt often joined Anne and her kids for dinner. Her 381 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: kids started calling him Uncle Walt, and one of her 382 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: sons even painted a portrait of him. Walt wrote of 383 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: her quote, among the perfect women I have met, I 384 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: have known none more perfect in every relation than my dear, 385 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: dear friend and gil Christ. He also wrote quote, I 386 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: have that sort of feeling about her which cannot be 387 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: easily spoken of love, strong personal love, to reverence, respect. 388 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: You see, it won't go into words. All the words 389 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: are weak and formal. What a what a thing to 390 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: hear someone say about I can't. I don't have the 391 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: language to describe how good I feel about you, especially 392 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: a poet. I mean the whole job. And I wonder 393 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: if he's yeah, I don't know. It just seems to 394 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: be such a powerful relationship with both of them, even 395 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: though it ended up not being a love connection that 396 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: she might have been wishing for. It, really they their 397 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: connection mattered so much to both of them, like that 398 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: the world's greatest portrait artist was like, I can't capture you. 399 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: I cannot paint a painting beautiful enough that it looks 400 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: like you or like a chef. You know, I can't 401 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: make you soup good enough. I can't make a souper 402 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: dessert of damn, sounds like you don't want to make 403 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: a super So Ann survived her own little friend zone 404 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: here with Walt, like the Phantom Zone, but she got 405 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: brought back. Can I talk about the friend zone for 406 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: a second little side track? And we got a lot 407 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: of side tracks today, But it's you know, God, it's 408 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: garbage the way people the way people use it, and 409 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: it's I'll say it's very misused. I think that the 410 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: the idea of the friend zone got uh kind of 411 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: taken over and obscured and and and used very differently 412 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: than it's an original intention, because a lot of people 413 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: are like, oh, this girl is this girl who owes 414 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: me sex or a relationship, you know, built me up 415 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: and then plunked me in the friend zone and actually 416 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: won't give it to me whatever, when in fact, to me, 417 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: it was always like you meet someone, because I've done this, 418 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: You meet someone and you're like attracted to them, and 419 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: you hang out for a while, and like six months 420 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: go by and you're like, oh, wait, no, I can't 421 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: sleep with you. We're friends like buddies, you know. Yeah, well, 422 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: I think I think you're so right, because the problem 423 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: is that we're not willing to admit that there's many, many, 424 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: many different types of love and connection and like, like 425 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Walt was tired in in the last episode, we kind 426 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: of talked about how Walt was like, it doesn't need 427 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: to be sex, but there should be romantic affection between men. 428 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: I should be hugging you and kissing you and telling 429 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: you how wonderful you are. That is food for your 430 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: soul to get that from your peer and I think 431 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: that's important, you know, and that I think that's true 432 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: of women too, you know, having that that and you 433 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: do feel attracted, right, It's not necessarily a sexual attraction, 434 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: but you know, you're in a room with people, You're like, 435 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm attracted to this person. I need to find out 436 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: more about you. You seem interesting. I don't know why, 437 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: but your vibes are working for me. And it doesn't 438 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: mean that you're like feeling a tingling in your loins. 439 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: It's just like I feel like we could have a 440 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: connection that is important to me. So yeah, I just 441 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: wish people. It feels like people approach a lot of 442 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: relationships like could we maybe fuck instead of like the 443 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: foundation should be, do we have a connection here, whatsoever? 444 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: And whatever that is, however far it goes, however intimate 445 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: it gets. I'm happy that that added my life, you 446 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, we were friends zoned and 447 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,239 Speaker 1: then we got married, friend zone was collapsed, and then 448 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: we're not friends at all, absolutely not no longer friends. 449 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: So Anne did return to England eventually, but and she 450 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: did maintain a correspondence and a deep friendship with Walt 451 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: right up until she died in and Walt wrote just 452 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: a beautiful poem when she passed. So let's head over 453 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: to poetry corner. And here going somewhere a poem for 454 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: Anne Gilchrist by Walt Whitman, My science friend, my noblest 455 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: woman friend, now buried in an English grave, and this 456 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: a memory leaf for her dear sake. Ended our talk. 457 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: The sum concluding all we know of old or modern learning, intuitions, deep, 458 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: of all geologies, histories, of all astronomy, of evolution, metaphysics, 459 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: all is that we all are onward, onward, speeding slowly, 460 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: surely bettering life, life and endless march and endless army, 461 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: no halt. But it is duly over the world, the race, 462 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: the soul, in space and time, the universes, all bound 463 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: as is, befitting each all surely going somewhere. That really 464 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: like brings a tear to my eye. I mean, I 465 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: think the reason this poem makes me cry is that 466 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: you can feel how much pain and how much he's 467 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: thinking like. But the good thing is that's the point, right, 468 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: The point is we're constantly going forward. You can't go back, 469 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: you can't stop. You just every day wake up and 470 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: you keep moving on. That means her soul is still 471 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: moving somewhere, it's still part of everything, it still has 472 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: a place. And I don't know, I just find that 473 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: beautiful until we figure out how to go back, and 474 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: then well then it's over. I mean in a good way. 475 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: And then it's in a good way. Look, why, okay, 476 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: why are we so drawn to it? Why do we 477 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: want to travel through times so badly? If not as 478 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: a as an inspiration to figure it out? Yeah, but 479 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: I also think that you can't go back in time. 480 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: I think you're I think you can go forward in time? Right? 481 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: What was it the theory that like you could only 482 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: go back to when time travel was invented, but time before. 483 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: I've always said, you have to build a receptor first, right, 484 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: you have to build a receiver unit before before you 485 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: can and then you in the future. Maybe maybe, But honestly, 486 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: from the from the probably forty five minutes wheth the 487 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: YouTube videos that I've watched on the subject, uh huh, 488 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: I think that it sounds like backwards time travel might 489 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: not be quantum lee possible quantumly, but forward could. It's 490 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: all about you know, it's all about gravity and uh, 491 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: time is plane and space moves in this. It's like 492 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: you're at a diagonal. So you've got a graph go 493 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: in two directions, and one space and one's time, and 494 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: you can move through one, and then if you go 495 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: through the other, you change the shape of the line. 496 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: So now you're all experts too. You're welcome. I feel 497 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: like I've really gotten caught up on quantum physics. You go, 498 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: so onward and Gilchrist through time and space, onward, surely 499 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: going somewhere. But even though Anne was such a fan, 500 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: the UK edition was getting slammed across the land. Oh now, 501 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: who's a poet? Wal It would be like rhyming boring. 502 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: The Marginalien quotes one review as saying that Walts four 503 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: themes America, democracy, personality, and materialism where shallow, and that 504 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: Walt thought the answer to all life's problems was just 505 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: to say nice things about everything, which is the most 506 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: grumpy ship ever heard in my life. And the review 507 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: goes on to say, quote his style has nothing in 508 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: common with other Bible, Shakespeare, Plato, or any other hitherto 509 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: on the name in literature. But that is grotesque, ungrammatical, 510 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: and repulsive. Rupsodies can be faintly compared only to the 511 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: painful ravings of many acidents. He concludes, quote, it has 512 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: been said of Mr Whitman by one of his warmest admirals, 513 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: he is democracy. Did I think he is in his 514 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: compositions at least being like it? Ignorant, sending noisy, of course, 515 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: and chaotic. I never what's like I drive by for democracy? 516 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 1: Let me take the opportunity to share a few words 517 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: about democracy. I like the monarchy. Well, I guess they 518 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: were still they were still pretty sore from the American Revolution, right, 519 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: I guess. So it was only a few old. So 520 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, everybody's a critic. You know, there's always something 521 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: trendy to hate on. So the cool thing to do 522 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: at this point in England was to trash talk Walt 523 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Whitman and college kids all over and get together and 524 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: they'd see who could disc leaves of grass the heart 525 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: like the TikTok joy. They were like, I want to 526 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: dump this bucket of ice water on my head and 527 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: then tell you why Walt women sucks. Well, we're gonna 528 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: hear about some of these college kids, one in particular, 529 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: who you have definitely heard of, and his relationship to 530 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: Walt Whitman. Right after this commercial break, Welcome back to 531 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Romance. So in Ireland, there was one college boy 532 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: who joined his friends as they laughed and teased while 533 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: taking turns reading Walt's poetry, probably in some like stupid 534 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: look at me, whoa, here's a song of myself, blah 535 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: blah blah, I'm so special sound by barbaric you are, 536 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm so clever. But this one particular boy, he wasn't 537 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: so sure about slam and Walt's work because he himself. 538 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: It was the future author. You know him as the 539 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: creator of one of the most celebrated horror stories of 540 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: all time. This book spawned an entire genre. It's been 541 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: made into countless movies. His main character sucked, that's right. 542 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: It was none other than brom Stoker cool. And when 543 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: he heard his friends during their way through Leaves of 544 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: Grass one night, he decided that he had to get 545 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: his hands on a copy. He's like, there's something here, right, 546 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: something speaking to me. Yeah, something about the nighttime. And 547 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: this book makes me thirsty too. I'm a fleshy, sensual creature. Now. 548 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: Bram Stoker stayed up all night reading the entire book 549 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: of Leaves of Grass, and it moved him so much 550 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: that he sat down and he wrote this stream of 551 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: consciousness fan letter. Once he woke up in the harsh 552 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: light of the morning, it embarrassed him so much that 553 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: he'd written this that he tucked it away into a 554 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: drawing his desk and he did not send it. We've 555 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: all written that letter, you know, I know, right, But 556 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: he didn't tear it up. No, he was just like, 557 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: let me put this away. This is not for now. 558 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking last night, but man, 559 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: that that book really turned me on. And I was 560 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: not thinking with a clear head. Yeah the blood was Russian, 561 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: but I don't know where. But he did start defending 562 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: Walt Whitman in his classes and his literary circles, and 563 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: he started to make a name for himself as a 564 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: drama critic, because you know, all these other kids are 565 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: just ship talking, making dumb fart jokes about Walt Whitman's work, 566 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I, well, I actually have something 567 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: to critical cool to say about it and break it 568 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: down for you why it's so good. And not only 569 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: did her eyes Dracula, but I also found a protocol 570 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: at the end of a rainbow, like like I don't 571 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: think brom Stoker sounded like a lucky Charms labor condiment. 572 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: That's that's what you get here on ridiculous strips. But no. Finally, 573 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: four years later brom Stoker was able to get up 574 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: the courage to send this letter to Walt. This thing 575 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: is over five pages long. You know. He got a 576 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: hand cramp. Oh yeah, And near the end he writes, quote, 577 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: it was no small effort that I began to write, 578 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: and I feel reluctant to stop. But I must not 579 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: tire you anymore. If you would ever care to have more, 580 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: you can imagine, for you have a great heart. How 581 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 1: much pleasure it would be to me to write more 582 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,720 Speaker 1: to you. How sweet a thing it is for a strong, 583 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: healthy man with a woman's eye and a child's wishes 584 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: to feel that he can speak to a man who 585 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: can be if he wishes father and brother and wife 586 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: to his soul. I don't think you will laugh, Walt Whitman, 587 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: nor despise me. But at all events, I thank you 588 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: for all the love and sympathy you have given me 589 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: in common with my kind. Very interesting, Yes, he was 590 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: like you could be my brother, my mom, my wife, 591 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: my dog, my dentist. You could literally fill every hole 592 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: in my life. And I mean that wink winkingly. You 593 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: know any sympathy you have in common with my kind? 594 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: Winker winker, winker, winker p s. I'm young and irish. 595 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: I know you like I am literate, but I can 596 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: pretend a Maria Popova On the margin, Alien writes quote, 597 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: it is hard not to wonder what Stoker meant by 598 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: my kind. Surely those besotted with the poetic and governed 599 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: by the profoundest true of nature and the human heart, 600 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: but possibly also those cast out and made invisible by 601 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: their time and their society for possessing a heart too 602 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: defiant of convention. I like how she dresses it up 603 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: as well in metaphor. It's true, but possibly also because 604 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: he's gay, he really saw himself. He did not make 605 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: it much clearer, which I think is interesting too, because 606 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: we know it was censored. A lot of the sexy, 607 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: salacious stuff was taken out, but Brom's still picked up 608 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: the message. What he picked up was Walt was putting 609 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: down um. He said, I may not be able to 610 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: see myself in a mirror, but I see you in 611 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: these texts. One gay subtext to gay subtext. That's what 612 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: brom Stocker sounds like. I did think Count Chocola is 613 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,320 Speaker 1: a gay icons Well Count Chocula, Yeah, for sure. Countchoculas 614 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: total most vampires, well vampires they live forever. They're like, 615 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: what the why am I going to limit myself? True? 616 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: That's so true. Why would got an eternity to go 617 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: explore everything? That's why I love what we do in 618 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: the Shadows because they're just like, I mean, what why? 619 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: Why would I say? No? Billion years old and by 620 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: the time Brom sent this band letter, he was a 621 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: single man working in theater at an age when most 622 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: of his contemporaries would have already gotten married. So he's 623 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: like an old bachelor by society standards. Um. When he 624 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: was thirty, he finally did get married to Florence Malcolm, 625 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: who was a celebrated beauty, and she chose Brom over 626 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: her other suitor, Oscar Wilde. You might remember this actually 627 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: from our Oscar wild episode, that he was really into 628 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: Florence since she went with someone else. Okay, and at 629 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: first Oscar was real but heard about this. Eventually, he 630 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: and Brom did become friends. From Brom Joker was a 631 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,479 Speaker 1: big fan of Oscar Wild and so they did become 632 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: friends of him, did they become more than friends? Because 633 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like for Florence, h her options like, well, 634 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maria Popova calls it a celibate relationship, 635 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: although they did have one son together, so it was 636 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,240 Speaker 1: not fully celibate. But she seems Florence seems to perhaps 637 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: be a type of woman who did not particularly she 638 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: wasn't like a real sexy lady, sort of a cool 639 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: blonde I'm getting I got those vibes anyway from my reading. 640 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, even though she calls it a celibate union, 641 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: maybe it's like a one and done situation, like they 642 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: were like, well, get something going to you know, get 643 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: the bloodline moving on, but otherwise I ain't touching you. 644 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: And Popova points out that Dracula also has strong homo 645 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: erotic overtones like leaves of grass. I mean, we talked about, 646 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, penetrating your flesh with their teeth and so on. 647 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: You know, it's a out of many different things. So 648 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: it's not likely that the homoerotic overtones and leaves of 649 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: grass were overlooked by brom Stoker. He definitely saw that 650 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: ship and connected to it, there's those three chapters where 651 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: Van Helsing is giving Jonathan Harker a blowjob. I mean, 652 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 1: it's just like it even fully text. No that's not true, 653 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: but actually a side note, I didn't care for Dracula. Yeah, yeah, 654 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: I got a big letter. Well that's what it's called. 655 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: When it's all letters, you have to work so hard 656 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: to get the story out of it. And I found 657 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: a lot of the letters very tedious, and it's like 658 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: kind of fascinating, you know, Blair Witch style, where you're like, look, 659 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: if you piece all these together, you can pull a 660 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: really scary story out of it. Like all right, but 661 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: I gotta dear Mina. You know, I had a sandwich today. 662 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: I love your dearest Lucy. Oh, dear Lucy. Well, I 663 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: also had a sandwich today and I met the strangest man. 664 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: Love Mina. And that's just like that song. I know. 665 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: It's kind of a book of its time because then 666 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: people were reading letters all the time, whereas now we 667 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: don't really read letters, so we're just like, why are 668 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: you working right? And then they're like my god, and 669 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: feel like I'm really there. Only six weeks between one 670 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: letter and the next thrilling edge of My carriage seat. Well, 671 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,240 Speaker 1: Maria concludes, quote, perhaps the gift of Whitman's poems for Bromstoker, 672 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: beyond the enchantment of beauty and poetic truth, was the 673 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 1: supreme gift a work of art can confer upon the beholder, 674 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: the gift of being seen. Now, Walt did respond to 675 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: Brahm's letter, and he even said that he would love 676 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: to meet him someday, though he thought it wasn't likely. 677 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's like bedridden at this point, he's 678 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: not traveling. He's like, I mean, if you happen to 679 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: show up at my house, I guess. But they did. 680 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: They met several times. Actually, bram was actually the manager 681 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: for an actor, really famous actor at the time, and 682 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: they would sometimes bring plays to America. The National Endowment 683 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,919 Speaker 1: for the Humanities quotes Bram as saying I found him 684 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: all I had ever dreamed of or wished for in him, 685 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: large minded, broad viewed, tolerant to the last degree, incarnate, sympathy, understanding, 686 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: with an insight that seemed more than human. Walt invited 687 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: him to visit again any time he was in Camden 688 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: and Brom and Brom probably said sure, yeah, Yeah, whenever 689 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: I'm in Camden, New Jersey, I'll be sure to sing 690 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: by No. Brom wrote, quote, need I say that I 691 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: promised he was like Camden's about to get some plays. 692 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 1: I was just always making my business on the tour 693 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: to come to Camden at least for Bram meeting his hero. 694 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: No problem. He he fully lived up to expectations. Now 695 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: by this time, Walt was mostly bedridden. He had suffered 696 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: a series of strokes, but he did still receive visitors, 697 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: including Brom Stoker two more times. He wrote letters and 698 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: revised Leaves of Grass. He published several more editions. In 699 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: the last week of his life. He was too weakened 700 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: to hold a knife and fork even but finally, on 701 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: March he passed away. More than a thousand people visited 702 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,280 Speaker 1: his wake. His coffin was barely visible under the piles 703 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: and piles of flowers and wreaths that were sent in 704 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: in death. His legacy, of course, is just vast. One 705 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: of his friends, Mary Widall Smith Costello, wrote once quote, 706 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: you cannot really understand America without Walt Whitman. Now we 707 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: mentioned at the top of part one all these pop 708 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 1: culture references like fame and the Dead Poet Society. He 709 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: inspired poets and musicians around the world. There is even 710 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,760 Speaker 1: a crater named for Walt Whitman on Mars. Walt Whitman 711 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: isn't just the name of a crater on Mars, of course, 712 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: it is a crater where it is. There's this episode's 713 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 1: Brooklyn quote that's just for me and uh Gianna rowe 714 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: to say that. She also that you need Gianna. I 715 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: hope we both got that reference. Man. Yeah, I hope 716 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: somebody puts a crater of me on Mars one day. 717 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, no, I don't wish somebody makes a 718 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: crater out of me on Mars. Okay, okay, like a 719 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: star lac pit on Mars. But like they would just 720 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: throw me at Mars and whatever crater I left my 721 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,239 Speaker 1: god Eli shape Looney Tune style crater. Now, I kind 722 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: of hope they do do that. It sounds pretty funny. 723 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: You know, if I gotta go, that's not a bad way. 724 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 1: It is a way to go. That is a way 725 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: to go. So yeah, these too. You know, never got 726 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: a romantic connection with Waltz, but we did get different 727 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: different romance. Yeah, I think so, a romance of the 728 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: maybe the soul in the brain rather than the body. 729 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: I love for sure, absolutely. I mean, at this point 730 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 1: it seemed like Walt wasn't really probably very sexually active anyway, 731 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, with his health issues and just the age 732 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: that he was at, you know, in the time that 733 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: he was living in um, you know, surely he was 734 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, I had my fun back in 735 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: New York City in my forties. Trust me, I've got 736 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: I've got the other I've got the receipts right here 737 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: in this book, my Whitman's Sampler. Oh no, but I'll 738 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: tell you what speculations station he could have made that 739 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: whole damn book up. That's true. It's not hard to 740 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: pick up a notebook and say, last night I slept 741 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: with this person, and the night before this person he's 742 00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: like Frank William Peter. I'm gonna one of those will 743 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: be like last night I slept with. Well, now I 744 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,360 Speaker 1: feel weird because it feels like I'm violating consent. I 745 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: have to make people up. I was going to list 746 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, I was gonna put my 747 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: my list on there, but I'll I'll make up some names. 748 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: Last night I slept with Kate Clan Shirt that's a 749 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: made up name. The night before I slept with you 750 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: gotta long brown here. Last night I slept with Kate Clanchett. 751 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: Uh you know what, forty nine blonde actress. Uh, you know, 752 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: just a totally made up person. The night before I 753 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: slept with Lanta Schmendrick. Uh, thirty four redhead actress's totally 754 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: made up people. I'm just coming up off the top 755 00:47:54,440 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 1: of my head. Look, that would be confusing for historians. Yeah, no, 756 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,839 Speaker 1: it would actually be a lot more like Walt's letter 757 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: to John Simmons, where he's like, no, bro, what's talk 758 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,399 Speaker 1: about case of if I don't do He's I got 759 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: six kids out there, run around. I don't know where 760 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: they are. Everyone's like, no, you don't. Historians pull up 761 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: my book and they're like, it looks like this guy 762 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: said that he slept with Kate Blanchett and didn't know 763 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: how to spell her name. We're pretty sure he was lying. 764 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: Kate Blanchet has no such recollection. Kate Blanchet, of course, 765 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,960 Speaker 1: still alive in the year thirty two when we found 766 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: this document. I mean, if anyone should be croyogenically frozen 767 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 1: or just yeah, given the gift of eternal life. Well 768 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: she is, else she'll be around some thousands of years. 769 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,359 Speaker 1: She'd use it. Well, you know, it's our it's our 770 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: ability to stay on subject. It really makes this show 771 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: special about this Well that's what Whitman though. And I 772 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: have to say, did not know any of this stuff 773 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,760 Speaker 1: about Stoker, about Anne gil Is, about Peter Doyle, about 774 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 1: his Little Black Book. I mean I didn't know any 775 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: of that. And again, if only they had covered that 776 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,800 Speaker 1: stuff in school, I feel like people would read poetry 777 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: a lot more. God, I know, these guys lives were crazy, 778 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: insane and interesting and like, I mean, that's how you write. 779 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean, especially Walt, He's like, that's how you write 780 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: poetry is you go live life and then you have 781 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,120 Speaker 1: something to write about. And you know that's very important 782 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: before you put pen to paper. Do you have anything 783 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: to say? Look is speaking of poets. I mean there's 784 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: just so it's like rich lives. Obviously, it's people, like 785 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: you said, they have something to say because they lived 786 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,240 Speaker 1: you know, quite a lot. And I'll drop a teaser 787 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: for our one day episode or rather forty six part 788 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: episode on Emily Dickinson and her little Circle of lovers, 789 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: because rights if we ever get to Lord Byron, that 790 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: will have to be an we're gonna be. Aren't a 791 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: new new podcast? Just The Ridiculous Byron season three? Just 792 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: Lord Byron. That's it. Episodes on Lord Byron. Oh, I 793 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: can't I need the variety. No, I think he'd be 794 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 1: maybe a Collette series style, But there's so much to say. Again, 795 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,920 Speaker 1: it's just wild lives, what women live in, just a 796 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: beautiful life. I'm so amazed by this guy, his outlook 797 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: and his just like unwavering I for beauty in the world. 798 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: He never stopped noticing, you know, noticing the little things 799 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: around him and thinking like, holy shit, this is incredible, 800 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: wonderful world. And people also like those connections. Um, I 801 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: don't know. I just certainly a mindset that we should 802 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: all aspire to, Yeah, find find the miraculous and every 803 00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: day It's very true. I mean, and he's not wrong. Again, 804 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,839 Speaker 1: if you dig down into everything, there's so much complicated 805 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: shit about a blade of grass. I mean, you know, 806 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: if you really think about it, it's pretty amazing that 807 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: anything works, or anything is what it is, or that 808 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,439 Speaker 1: it's here in this particular time, or that you are 809 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: you know, that's it that'sh fills you with, like I think, 810 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: a sense of gratitude and excitement about the world around you, 811 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, And that's what I get out of him. 812 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: A lot is just a sense of wonder. I kind 813 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: of want to read this little piece of leaves of 814 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: grass that I had found yesterday. It says, in folks 815 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: nearest to you, finding also the sweetest and strongest and 816 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,759 Speaker 1: lovingest happiness, not in another place but this place, not 817 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: for another hour, but this hour. Man in the first 818 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: you see or touch, always in your friend or brother 819 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: or nighest neighbor, woman, in your mother or lover or wife, 820 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,399 Speaker 1: and all else thus far own giving place to men 821 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: and women. Mhm. That that especially happiness, not in another 822 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 1: place but this place, not another hour, but this hour. Uh. 823 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,319 Speaker 1: In fact, it reminds me of the words of two 824 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: of my favorite philosophers, Bill S. Preston Esquire and Ted 825 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 1: Theodore Logan, who said, you know, we've been all across 826 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: the past, we've been to the future, we've been to 827 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife, and we realized the best place to be 828 00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:39,680 Speaker 1: is here. The best time to be is now. Wow. Yeah, 829 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: Bill and Ted are walt Woman's yea of today teaching 830 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: us how to be excellent to each other? Also friends 831 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: with Abraham Lincoln as well, that's true. They also loved 832 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: a Walt Whitman and Bill and Ted had a threesome 833 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,799 Speaker 1: at some point. Oh my god, can you Walt would 834 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: have loved Bill and Tall a kind of dumb and 835 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 1: you're so cute. Oh my god, this is my wheelhouse 836 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,920 Speaker 1: right here. Beeves of Grass would have ended with be 837 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: excellent to each other and party on dudes. Well, on 838 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: that note, yes, I think we should let y'all go that. 839 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 1: What what better words to end on? So true? To 840 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,960 Speaker 1: carry that into your day? Yes, please let us know 841 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 1: what you thought of Waltz story. And we just think 842 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: it's beautiful that we hope you did too. Reach out 843 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: to us through email. You can get us at ridic 844 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: Romance at gmail dot com right or we're on Twitter 845 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: and Instagram. I'm at Dianamite Boon and I'm at Oh great, 846 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: It's Eli and the show is at ridict Romance. Thank 847 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in spending your time with 848 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: us today. I can't wait to bring you another episode 849 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: next week. Stay tuned and we'll catch it in love 850 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: you by so long. Friends, It's time to go. Thanks 851 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 1: so listening to our show. Tell your friend's names, Uncle's 852 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,040 Speaker 1: in this. To listen to a show doulas well dance