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Speaker 1: the podcast. We always do it every podcast, banging out

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Speaker 1: this week. But I wanted to start here. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've only worked in a couple professional settings in terms

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Speaker 1: you know, there weren't many people, you know, that were

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Speaker 1: quote unquote decision makers, powerful positions that that I that

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Speaker 1: no matter where that guy went, I would follow that guy.

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Speaker 1: Uh And I think a lot of you you know,

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Speaker 1: the opportunity comes, wherever the money is. There are only

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Speaker 1: so many people in every profession that really everyone in

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Speaker 1: best in their business. You know, Like you read about

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Speaker 1: Steve Jobs. The dude was a nut. You know, most

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Speaker 1: people that were around him, and he's like one of

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Speaker 1: the history of America. Google Steve Jobs. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: was crazy but even Belichick or Parcels, even we're talking sports,

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Speaker 1: these guys are crazy. You wouldn't want I mean, you

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Speaker 1: probably rather work for someone else, if all things were equal.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I I've known multiple people that have

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Speaker 1: worked for Nick Saban. It is not fun. Now it

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Speaker 1: looks incredible on your resume and you're gonna win, but

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Speaker 1: every day it's an absolute grind. And I'm not just

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Speaker 1: talking about the football season. I'm talking about the off season.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking this summer. Same thing with Belichick. You better,

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Speaker 1: generations of sports, the Internet age post two thousand on. Uh,

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Speaker 1: kind of see and we all do that at one

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Speaker 1: day that could football just be gone. And I think

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Speaker 1: we're clearly a long way away from that. But it's

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Speaker 1: definitely a conversation tackle football. The only thing I would

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Speaker 1: say is there is a softness to America that's come

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Speaker 1: in just recently. I'm not even talking about football. There

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Speaker 1: is something deep inside of all of us that since

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Speaker 1: the beginning of time, that we yearn for violence, that

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Speaker 1: we like violence. The highest rated playoff game I think

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Speaker 1: of the last non Suita Bowl of like the last

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Speaker 1: fifteen years was Seattle San Francisco, uh Jim Harbaugh second

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Speaker 1: to last year. It was one of the most violent

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Speaker 1: football games we we've ever seen. We love it. I

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Speaker 1: mean people Twitter will tell you, the PC culture will

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Speaker 1: tell you how much they hate it. Whenever there was

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Speaker 1: a fight in junior high, every kid runs to and

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Speaker 1: circles around the fight. It's just it's a human instinct. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think when you factor in business and CT there's

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Speaker 1: there's a big business right now in taking shots at

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Speaker 1: the NFL right and trying to bring the NFL down.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a balancing act tackle football. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon. Again. We like

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Speaker 1: physical anything that has to do with a physical element

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Speaker 1: to what we enjoy. It's why I mean, I bought

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Speaker 1: the fight stupidly. This guy is not necessarily a physical fighter,

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Speaker 1: but just a big boxing match. Still pay per view

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Speaker 1: dwarfs UFC. Now, Floyd, you know, doesn't really hit any

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Speaker 1: when he dances around. But when Floyd fought Connor, we

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Speaker 1: all lined up and it did historic television numbers. They

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Speaker 1: charged a hundred dollars of pay per view. I didn't

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Speaker 1: flinched by it. A lot of people didn't. Now I

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Speaker 1: knew what I was getting into. But it speaks to

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Speaker 1: who we are, to our core and what we like.

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Speaker 1: We like violence. So I don't think this is the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the end. I just think that the NFL

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Speaker 1: aim is adapting, and I think it's it probably is

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Speaker 1: a lot closer to in the next twenty years. Does

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Speaker 1: the NFL look closer to Big twelve football, you know,

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Speaker 1: than it does to that Seattle San Francisco game of

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Speaker 1: four or five years ago in the NFC Championship. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably because I think less teams are gonna mess with

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Speaker 1: physical safeties, that their value is clearly not as high

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Speaker 1: as it once was. Jim Harbaugh team, I think his

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Speaker 1: first year, his two safeties were Goldston and Whitner. I

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Speaker 1: mean they they both hung their hat on basically breaking

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Speaker 1: you in half. You wouldn't want I mean that that

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Speaker 1: would be a terrible safety duel. Now you need cover safeties,

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Speaker 1: you need the honey Badger. You know, you need guys

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Speaker 1: like that Malcolm Jenkins, guys that are versatile. You don't

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Speaker 1: need big hitters because big hitters now we'll get tossed

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Speaker 1: out of games. I just think the game's adapting. I

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Speaker 1: think there is a segment of people that want football

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Speaker 1: to go away. I think the NFL owners are just

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Speaker 1: very scared about that fact and are just trying to adapt.

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Speaker 1: And I think we're just probably one day gonna see

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Speaker 1: big twelve football basically in the NFL. Let's get to

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Speaker 1: draft the section question. Do teams do any sort of

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Speaker 1: autopsies and dissect their previous drafts? For instance, if a

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Speaker 1: franchise passed on a prospect only to see him become

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Speaker 1: a perennial pro bowler, do they go back and conduct

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Speaker 1: an analysis to determine how to battle better parts the

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Speaker 1: quote unquote not so obvious talent from the rest of

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Speaker 1: the pack. Pretty good question. And if they do their metrics,

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Speaker 1: if any, do they usually collect I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams go back and self evaluate how their scouts

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Speaker 1: are grading players. To me, the hard part, like in

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Speaker 1: the let's say the NBA draft. If you pass on

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Speaker 1: a talent, most teams this their scheme and basketball for sure.

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Speaker 1: But a freak talent is gonna be a freak talent

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Speaker 1: wherever he plays in football. If Richard Truman hadn't played

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Speaker 1: in Seattle and say he was a fifth round pick

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Speaker 1: and you know, went onto a bunch of Pro Bowls

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Speaker 1: and all pro level player for a while. If he

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Speaker 1: had played in a scheme that wasn't bump and run

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Speaker 1: being physical at the line, but asked him to play

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Speaker 1: off coverage a lot, would he have been as successful

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Speaker 1: And the answer is no. You know, now Odell Beckham,

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Speaker 1: for example, wherever he would have played, or Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 1: he would have succeeded. But there are certain fits at

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Speaker 1: certain positions, like offensive linemen are better in zone scheme

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Speaker 1: than they are power scheme and vice versa. A quarterback,

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Speaker 1: for the most part, is gonna be a good quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know that. See I You could argue depending on

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Speaker 1: the coach. There are so many variables in football that

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Speaker 1: it's hard to judge. If you just crush a guy

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Speaker 1: and then he becomes a Pro bowler and you just

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Speaker 1: thought he couldn't play dead in a Western regardless who

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Speaker 1: he was gonna play for. Yeah, that that's an easy

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Speaker 1: one to kind of evaluate. But if you gave a

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Speaker 1: guy a fifth round grade, or let's say this, you

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Speaker 1: gave a guy an undraftable grade, he thought he was

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Speaker 1: a free agent, he gets drafted in the sixth round,

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Speaker 1: and then he goes on and becomes a player. Did

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Speaker 1: you miss on that player or did the rest of

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Speaker 1: the league basically agree with you because he was drafted

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Speaker 1: the sixth round. I think it's really really hard. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's so many variables in football, you know, because if

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Speaker 1: you give a guy a fifth round grade and he

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Speaker 1: gets drafted in the fifth round and you didn't take him,

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Speaker 1: and then the guy becomes a really good player. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's use again Richard Truman for that. If you thought

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Speaker 1: he should be drafted around the fifth and he would be,

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Speaker 1: you know, a fringe starter, and then he becomes to

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Speaker 1: be Richard Truman, were you really wrong because Seattle agreed

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Speaker 1: with you where they took him. I think it's difficult. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know in Philly, we we look back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know for a fact, I would imagine every

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Speaker 1: team does something, but it's so scheme dependent. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's it's tough because I don't know if there's a

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Speaker 1: right or wrong every individual player depending on where he goes.

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Speaker 1: Who's to know if he would have as much success

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Speaker 1: as he did. I mean, it looked like Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: was going to be the worst player in NFL history,

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Speaker 1: and then he gets a new coach and he's saved, right,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean Derek carrs had moments where he

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Speaker 1: looked great, whereas the m v P then he looked terrible,

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Speaker 1: and now we'll see him with Gruden. So much is

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Speaker 1: determined by who's coaching you. Now, again, there's certain players

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Speaker 1: that just would have been superstars no matter what, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of times those guys are first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Back to my example of Khalil Mack, like whoever he

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Speaker 1: played for, he would have been great. Odell is another

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Speaker 1: great example. He would have been really good. I think

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Speaker 1: one that you're gonna see talked about now, and I

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Speaker 1: think you've seen it a little on social media is

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with Jamis Wentz and when they

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Speaker 1: could have taken Marcus Mariotta. Jameis Winston has not had

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Speaker 1: a very good playing career on the field, and Marcus

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Speaker 1: Mariotta has been a little up and down too, But

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Speaker 1: based on what you have to deal with off the field,

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Speaker 1: to me, looking back, that was a no brainer and

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Speaker 1: that move might end up getting Tampa Bay in the

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Speaker 1: entire front office fired. So I think you do more

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Speaker 1: things like that when you were on the fence between

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Speaker 1: two players and you go back and look, that necessarily

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Speaker 1: an entire draft. Tony be in Alabama, you recently tweeted

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Speaker 1: you think Adrian Martinez and Scott Frost could potentially do

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Speaker 1: some special things in Nebraska. What led you to that thought?

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Speaker 1: While I was doing an article for The Athletic, which

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Speaker 1: I write for on the side about the best offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator quarterback combinations. You know, the young guys like Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan and Garoppolo, Lincoln Riley with Kyler Murray, stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: and I just started thinking, who in college is a

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Speaker 1: really young offensive mind. And Scott Frost, you know, he's

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Speaker 1: I think forty three years old. I when who's going

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Speaker 1: to be his quarterback? Because everywhere he's been at Oregon,

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Speaker 1: his you know, Mariota kicked ass. Then going to UCF

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Speaker 1: his quarterback just statistically through like five touchdowns last year

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Speaker 1: and nine picks was unreal. Uh, who's gonna be his

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Speaker 1: quarterback in Nebraska? And I saw that they signed this

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Speaker 1: guy who was an early enrolie, Adrian Martinez, and I

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Speaker 1: just started watching some of his YouTube clips and are

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Speaker 1: reading about him and realized this guy could have gone

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Speaker 1: to a lot of places in the country. And then

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Speaker 1: just watching some of his high school tape and I

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Speaker 1: worked in high school recruiting, so I got a decent

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Speaker 1: idea of how it projects. I want. This guy has

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Speaker 1: some Marcus Mariotta attributes. Well, I've seen what Scott Frost

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Speaker 1: did with Marcus Mariota. That is a fantastic combination. And

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Speaker 1: then I started reading like this was a really really

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Speaker 1: hype recruit when they landed him at Nebraska. So my

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Speaker 1: first thought was, this hasn't He hasn't even named this

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Speaker 1: kid the starter yet. And then you watched the spring

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Speaker 1: game and he was flying around. To me, this guy's

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Speaker 1: limit gots resume of coaching quarterback speaks for itself. Now,

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Speaker 1: you never know with an eighteen year old kid. It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's closer to basketball, and you see it all

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Speaker 1: these time with these prospects. You never know how a

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Speaker 1: guy is gonna fit or not fit. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: a guessing game, so it's it's a big projection. I

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Speaker 1: just bet on the coach that they just gave basically

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollars too, and a guy who's you know,

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Speaker 1: film and all these colleges were lined up to sign,

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Speaker 1: and I bet on it, and he might not even

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Speaker 1: start this year, but I would be shocked if we

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Speaker 1: don't hear from Martinez and Frost before it's all said

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Speaker 1: and done. Let's get to Teddy fits. My question is

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Speaker 1: why hasn't Dave Tobe gotten a chance as a head

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Speaker 1: coach yet? John Harbor had success as a coach and

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Speaker 1: he was a former special teams coordinator. Tobe gets rave

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Speaker 1: reviews from players and is often called a great leader.

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Speaker 1: And now this ties to Andy Reid. What else does

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Speaker 1: he have to do? Good question from Brian. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of it as people are just naturally afraid

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Speaker 1: to go outside the box. And when the Ravens did

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Speaker 1: hire John Harby, it was a pretty outside the box.

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Speaker 1: Higher when they hired Giant Harbaugh, it was before Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh was even really that big of a deal, Like

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Speaker 1: it was the first big, big Harbor higher. Now we

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Speaker 1: talked about John Harbor. Of course you'd hired John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: I mean John Harbow was a assistant dB coach special

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Speaker 1: teams coordinator. Now looking back, it was an easy higher.

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Speaker 1: He was also hired by a guy that was very

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Speaker 1: secure in his job in Ozzie Knewsome. I think it

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Speaker 1: would take a very secure general manager, and there aren't

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Speaker 1: that many of them around the NFL. Let's just say,

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Speaker 1: for example, Minnesota in a couple of years. You know

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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer, Remember he was having those problems with his eyes.

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Speaker 1: He had to retire, you know, health concerns. I'm just

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Speaker 1: using this as a hypothetical. I hope Mike Zimmer doesn't retire.

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Speaker 1: He's a badass that a guy like Spielman could go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'd hire Dave Tobe because as a leader, I could

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Speaker 1: see John Schneider in Seattle, Pete Carroll retired as secure

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Speaker 1: enough to make a move like that. We got Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 1: I just need a great leader and then we'll get

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Speaker 1: good offensive and defensive coaches around him. When you there

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Speaker 1: aren't that many secure coaches. There's also a huge movement

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Speaker 1: because of the importance of the quarterback to hire offensive

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Speaker 1: oriented head coaches. It's why John d. Filippo and I'm

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Speaker 1: just thinking about Matt Lafleur some these are the names

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna hear interview this fall, you know, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the season, because coaches all want the

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Speaker 1: next Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, Lincoln Riley, Scott Frost. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: see Scott Frost and Lincoln Riley interview. That that's who

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Speaker 1: owners want. And at the end of the day, the

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Speaker 1: GM can have a lot of all but the owners

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Speaker 1: are signing the check. I think it's gonna be very

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Speaker 1: difficult every year that passes with the rules of the

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Dave Tobe is ever gonna get

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Speaker 1: know that have been around him swear by him think

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Speaker 1: he's an unreal football coach. I mean resume with Chicago

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Speaker 1: and now Kansasy speaks for herself. But it's hard. You know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes as you get older, uh you know, things and

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Speaker 1: narratives in a game or any industry kind of go

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Speaker 1: against you, and he may just have to settle for being,

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Speaker 1: you know, a million dollars special team coach, which is

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Speaker 1: not the worst job in the world, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine he wanted a shot and he'll probably

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Speaker 1: never get it. I remember the NFL being upset with

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck for not demanding a fully guaranteed deal. New question,

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Speaker 1: uh from I Hate Colby, is his easer name Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins actually gets one due to very specific surfaces circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Do you think more players will get fully guaranteed deals

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Speaker 1: in the future or will kirk Cousins situation be a

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Speaker 1: uh one and done? Basically, I would lean that more

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Speaker 1: likely to be a one and done unique outlier than

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Speaker 1: a consistent thing. We'll see the NFL, Unlike baseball and basketball,

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Speaker 1: injuries are so prevalent now with quarterbacks. May maybe you'll

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Speaker 1: get some more fully guaranteed deals, but I also think

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Speaker 1: the problem for a lot of these quarterbacks, like Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers for example, or you know of Drew Brees, has

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Speaker 1: been a little younger. You know, the the top top

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Speaker 1: guys is that they always get extended while they still

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Speaker 1: have a year or two on their contract Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 1: So they don't have as much leverage as Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: did by hitting the open market. If Aaron Rodgers ever

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed deal. Russell Wilson, no brainer. Derek Carr, Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Mariotta all you know, even a lot of these

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Speaker 1: young guys haven't proven that much. But they never will

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Speaker 1: and if they ever do, that means they get cut,

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Speaker 1: and that means they're not playing as well, so they

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Speaker 1: don't have the leverage. I would never like. Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald are Hall of Fame level players that

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Speaker 1: if they stay healthy the next three or four years,

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Speaker 1: I think both of them are a lock to be

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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. That's how good they are.

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Speaker 1: I would not give them a fully guaranteed deal. It's

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Speaker 1: just not a good business proposition. It's too risky. I mean,

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Speaker 1: either one of them get hurt. As we saw with J. J. Watt,

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Speaker 1: he just fell off a cliff just because the physical

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Speaker 1: nature of the position. I mean a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: it looked like the honey Badger was headed to the

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Speaker 1: Hall of fame boom. A couple injuries later, he gets cut.

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Speaker 1: You know. Now we'll see how good he is in Houston.

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Speaker 1: But things change so fast in football due to injuries

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Speaker 1: that it's just not good business to sign players to

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contracts. So I'd be shocked if that ever happens.

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Speaker 1: I don't imagine it does in the near future. The

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Speaker 1: things can always change, you know. You never know. They

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Speaker 1: but I would bet against it. And I would say

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins contract much more of an outlier than it is,

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Speaker 1: something that's gonna start happening more and more and be

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Speaker 1: more prevalent throughout the league for sure. Okay, again, the

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