Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am
Speaker 1: your host, also the proprietor of Club Shasha and the
Speaker 1: guy that's coming by for a drinking conversation today. Wow,
Speaker 1: he's a big one. He's a rapper, songwriter, record executive,
Speaker 1: a mogul, entrepreneurial. He's been in the game over thirty years.
Speaker 1: Mister sprinkle me. The Bay Area is final us and
Speaker 1: you can't mention the brap game without mentioning his name.
Speaker 1: Forty water, mister E forty. All my life, the grinding
Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice, hustle, back price, one slice got
Speaker 1: the dice, swadd all my life. I've been grinding in
Speaker 1: all my life, all my life, then running all my life, sacrifice, hustle,
Speaker 1: baty prices, one slice got the bron dice swaddy all
Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding in all my life. E forty.
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up family? How you doing, buddy? Man?
Speaker 1: I'm good man. Thanks for stopping by today. Man, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Man.
Speaker 1: But you know, before we get started, you know, we've
Speaker 1: been dealing with this pandemic for like the last sixteen months.
Speaker 1: Club Shah had a hard time getting this reserve, and
Speaker 1: you know so, but uh, I reached out to my
Speaker 1: good friend a fault and I got some of this.
Speaker 1: This is some of this. Tycoon Kanyak, Hello, Tycoo Corneyak
Speaker 1: right here. Yeah, you know, you know, I know you
Speaker 1: got a lot of spirits, you got Tycoon, you got
Speaker 1: Earl Steven's wine, you got the e forty Slurri Kane,
Speaker 1: you got a tequila bra, you got a lot of
Speaker 1: got a lot of irons in the fire. Talk to
Speaker 1: me about it. You know, I started off selling wine online.
Speaker 1: And everybody know it's natural, like an Afro for me
Speaker 1: to speak about a dope beverages because all my career
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty eight on up. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's all I talk about. You know, I used to
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of wine. You know what I said.
Speaker 1: I always talk about Corneiak and stuff like that and everything.
Speaker 1: But anyway, to make a long story short, to have
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to still wine online because I'm right
Speaker 1: next door to Napa, California. You know that's wine country
Speaker 1: right light. Hell, we same very cold. You know, I
Speaker 1: can stick my arm out there. And now I'm in Nappa,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's how close we are.
Speaker 1: So actually, so I sell the Earl Stevens wine online.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to call it E forty I know,
Speaker 1: other dree I just wanted to call it my real name,
Speaker 1: Earl Stevens and give them that. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: make it when you know, if somebody seen it and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't know that's me, but those who who know
Speaker 1: my real name was Earl Stevens would know it's me,
Speaker 1: you feel me. And I wanted to do that like
Speaker 1: on a speak easy type of note, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like just like a whisper the whisper circuit,
Speaker 1: like you know, to see forty stuff, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So a lot of people right now I
Speaker 1: don't even know Earl Stevens is me. They don't even
Speaker 1: know that's my wine. The mango scott are going crazy
Speaker 1: eighteen percent alcohol thirty six. But anyway, I said on
Speaker 1: wine online, and and then I ended up selling going
Speaker 1: to a distributor called Southern Glazie Wine and Spirits. They
Speaker 1: tasted it, they was like, okay, we in. I saw
Speaker 1: a few cases to a few retail stores. Next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw fifty six cases to a store
Speaker 1: and valet all calls food for less from food for Less,
Speaker 1: that was a whole palette. Next thing you know, it
Speaker 1: was a truck load. Then Southern Glazier Wine Spirits picked
Speaker 1: up a truck load delivered it to all the on
Speaker 1: premise and off premise Jim remarking all over the chain
Speaker 1: stores all that, and it just went and it took
Speaker 1: off from there, and that was twenty fourteen. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. What's the difference between Earl Stevens
Speaker 1: products and E forty products? Okay, E forty products is
Speaker 1: more or less like the Earl Stevens products is kind
Speaker 1: of like ultra premium, like super premium. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. The forty products is like uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Premix cocktail drinks, ready to drink Premix cocktail drinks like
Speaker 1: the Slurycane E forty Hurricane Blue Lagoon, forty story Cane
Speaker 1: Sweet tea forty Slury Cane Hurricane, which I got from
Speaker 1: New Orleans and E forty Slurycane Yellow Bird, which I
Speaker 1: got from the Bahamas. When I you also, I think
Speaker 1: you see a pots and pans. I see you, I
Speaker 1: see you on social media. You be cooking that you
Speaker 1: call yourself the goon with a spoon? What got you
Speaker 1: into cooking? And do you like cooking? Why? I'd love cooking, man,
Speaker 1: you know, being the oldest for uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to you know, had to make a way out
Speaker 1: of no way. You know, my mom and pop stayed
Speaker 1: divorced when I was eight and a half. But my
Speaker 1: dad always stayed in our life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And he stayed there. Chick paid child support. But but
Speaker 1: but for the majority of the situation, I was the
Speaker 1: man of the house, you know, when we moved to
Speaker 1: a whole other side of the town and my mom
Speaker 1: had to work two and three jobs and I had
Speaker 1: to you know, beat it, beat the old I was
Speaker 1: the oldest, so I had to be a father figure
Speaker 1: to my my my siblings, you know. And so it's
Speaker 1: you know, two I had two brothers that was in
Speaker 1: that house and my sister, Sugar Tea. So you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we all we was raised. I
Speaker 1: just talked. I was self talk kind of. And then
Speaker 1: I also worked at a restaurant in Nicia, California called
Speaker 1: the Commonized Restaurants, which I think way back then was
Speaker 1: pretty much a Mitchell and Start restaurant because all the
Speaker 1: rich people used to go there. And I started off
Speaker 1: setting you know, I started off watching dishes, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, as a teenager in there. And then
Speaker 1: I worked my way up real quick. I started washing
Speaker 1: dishes and uh, working at the pantry, making a making
Speaker 1: a what you call it stuff? Oh my god, calamari
Speaker 1: and all that stuff calamary. And then I started learning
Speaker 1: how to cook chicken corn on blue. You know, when
Speaker 1: I went to the kitchen chicken corn on blue at
Speaker 1: Scargo London, broil orange roughie fish like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm with almonds and pant fried. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying with with h and muscles, muscles with wine, salt,
Speaker 1: limon limons. In other words, you just picked up this
Speaker 1: by just watching the chefs and the other cooks cook
Speaker 1: because you're not really trained. You didn't go to school
Speaker 1: to be a chef or to be a cook. You
Speaker 1: just watch other people do it. You like, picked it
Speaker 1: up like hell, I can do that, yeah, definitely the
Speaker 1: most definitely, And that's how it happened, you know. And
Speaker 1: when my mother in law bought me a uh. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, she bought me a power pressure cook.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I used to always hear you know, you know,
Speaker 1: see Grandmama and them, all the grandmama's they have pressure
Speaker 1: cook but they had the old fashioned kind of put
Speaker 1: on the story. The kind is kind of dangerous, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you gotta know how to really work them things. But
Speaker 1: these when they came with the electric ones, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is easy, and so I
Speaker 1: started learning that. Then I started just cooking everything and
Speaker 1: that then I just started doing all the I've been
Speaker 1: knowing how to cook. So then I started working my
Speaker 1: Pots and Pants game, you know, my othern game. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I became the gul with
Speaker 1: the spoon, which you know that's a street word. My cousin,
Speaker 1: be Legit made that up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He cray, he said, he came with the gun with
Speaker 1: the spoon. You smelled me and I just I just
Speaker 1: turned it into a you know, we're both saying it
Speaker 1: in our lyrics. That's what we do. We share a
Speaker 1: game because we're from the same thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: we pick up things from each other and that's and
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna becoming this big. So
Speaker 1: it became real big. So I was like, I had
Speaker 1: my boy cousin fi have his guy made me a
Speaker 1: logo and he made that and it was the gun
Speaker 1: with the spoon and it we just took it there.
Speaker 1: Because if Fike love you too, man, I meant to
Speaker 1: tell you, that's the guy I was telling you about earlier, right,
Speaker 1: master P. I talked to him the other day and
Speaker 1: he was talking about you and him go back all
Speaker 1: these years, and he had mad respect. Boy, you say,
Speaker 1: that's my brother. And he was telling me how he
Speaker 1: hooked you up with the noodles, and he was like, man,
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, we eat noodles. So let's let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and put out put our iron in the fire,
Speaker 1: and let's see we can get cooking with this. Because
Speaker 1: I think sometimes for it is that people look, they're
Speaker 1: always looking to invent something that's never been invented, as
Speaker 1: opposed to it, there's something that's already there. How about
Speaker 1: we approve improve on that and sell that to our
Speaker 1: to our to our communities. That's right, why not we
Speaker 1: can do we? You know, now, black owned businesses is
Speaker 1: in full effect. You know. He always had that state
Speaker 1: of mind idea as well. And we learned that early
Speaker 1: age early and that we we learned that in music
Speaker 1: we was independent, me and him. We come up on
Speaker 1: to my uncle, Saint Charles, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know he got he he came
Speaker 1: like they had rap snacks years ago and they they
Speaker 1: brought it back out him and James, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it went to noodles and then that now it's
Speaker 1: serial and all they doing their thing. You feel me
Speaker 1: and on my end, I'm doing my thing, you know
Speaker 1: with the dope beverages and also got going with the
Speaker 1: school products coming very soon as well. And we all
Speaker 1: talk and it's all love. We took teamwork, make the
Speaker 1: dream work. You know. If he had a choice, you know,
Speaker 1: James got at me, say, Pete, want you on these
Speaker 1: on these noodles, man, the icon noodles, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's an honor and a pleasure, you know, because you
Speaker 1: know he Pete don't just pick anybody. You know, Pete
Speaker 1: small to dude man, so he ain't just gonna do
Speaker 1: so you know, that show automatically how much love he
Speaker 1: got for me and we break when we breaking bread.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's how we do it.
Speaker 1: So we're trying to we're trying to preach black on
Speaker 1: you know, entrepreneurship. You know what I'm saying. Just you know,
Speaker 1: being being, being the vendor of record. You know, the
Speaker 1: vendor of record is very important, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: that's that's what I am with a Dope beverage. It's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent owner of everything that I do, you know,
Speaker 1: And it don't have to be one hundred percent owner.
Speaker 1: You can have the business partners. I got a business
Speaker 1: partner in the Lumpia Company, which I own a restaurant
Speaker 1: of Filippino. In the restaurant, his name is Alex Petto,
Speaker 1: Chef Alex loup be a chef, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, when you team up like that,
Speaker 1: maybe one day we'll do a good with the spoon
Speaker 1: slash uh rap snacks uh you know brand or something
Speaker 1: you never know, you know, vice versa. So you we
Speaker 1: just it's all about you know, you scratch my back,
Speaker 1: I scratched your Let's go teamwork, make the dream work.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. Man, you've been from the Bay area.
Speaker 1: How much it being from the Bay and knowing they
Speaker 1: have Philicon Valley and knowing that you're right next to Nappa,
Speaker 1: How did that weigh on you? Like, because you've invested
Speaker 1: in startups, you have these fears, you have the wine.
Speaker 1: How heavily did that influence you? Being so close? You're like, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm right here, I might as gonna take advantage of
Speaker 1: this man, you know, just being a good dude. You know,
Speaker 1: I treat people like I want to be treated, you know,
Speaker 1: and what I want for myself I want for others.
Speaker 1: I'm a congratulator, not a hater, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I know, let me tell you something, if you
Speaker 1: hate on somebody, you ain't gonna have no good luck.
Speaker 1: That stuff gonna come right back on you. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it ain't in my blood like
Speaker 1: I want, and I especially when I know our people
Speaker 1: come from the mud, we come from the grit, We
Speaker 1: come from the motherfucking octagon, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I want to see us all win because it's
Speaker 1: enough money out there forever everybody, you know, So being
Speaker 1: in that being right there, Valleo Nappa being in between.
Speaker 1: Valet got the best of all worlds of the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: We got a little we gotta we got our own thing.
Speaker 1: May we got we we drink that we from that
Speaker 1: Mare Island water. Special people come from valais or something
Speaker 1: about that Mirror Island water. I'm trying to tell you
Speaker 1: some real stuff. And that's Bay Area water too, right.
Speaker 1: You could catch the ferry from Valleo straight direct, a
Speaker 1: straight shot to San Francisco. Same water. We share, the
Speaker 1: same water. But that Mirror Island water, that a little
Speaker 1: surrounding dead water is something special. So we got the
Speaker 1: best of all worlds, you know, getting you know, being
Speaker 1: having relatives in certain cities and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: just being creative. We all locked in. Now. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what Silicone Valley shout out to my man chamillionaire.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, chamellionaire. My cousin Tyson got
Speaker 1: at me and he was like, you know, chamillionaire doing
Speaker 1: these startup companies. You know, you might want to holler
Speaker 1: at him. At that time. You know, this is like
Speaker 1: two thy twelve two. I was thirteen, right, Well, I
Speaker 1: didn't really know too much about it, and I was
Speaker 1: like trying. I knew about it, but I didn't like.
Speaker 1: I was like, how you do it? So I kind
Speaker 1: of by that time Comedian there, I hit a few times.
Speaker 1: He had it was a couple of companies he got in,
Speaker 1: uh in the early stage startups that that that you know,
Speaker 1: got acquired and got an IPO. He had huge. So
Speaker 1: by the time I got in, it's like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: So I end up now I'm it's twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Now I'm forty five forty between forty five and depending
Speaker 1: on the next month, between forty five and forty eight
Speaker 1: startup companies deep that I'm in early stage startups. A
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. I'm an early stage investor
Speaker 1: in Clubhouse, one of the hottest things out right now right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That thing evaluated that a
Speaker 1: billion within months it's and it looked like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be five billion at the end of the summer. So
Speaker 1: you know, I ended up getting my feet wet and
Speaker 1: startup companies as well. Shout out to Commutian there. You
Speaker 1: might see us at the basketball games courtside hanging out
Speaker 1: my friend for many years. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this go back to your your
Speaker 1: cooling their skills. What's your favorite thing to cook? My
Speaker 1: favorite thing to cook is maybe fried rice, chicken shrimp,
Speaker 1: fried rice. You know what I'm saying. I would say oxtails. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love from oxtail, but you can't find him. We
Speaker 1: can't find them right here in southern California. You go
Speaker 1: to all the story there out you're serious. A lot
Speaker 1: of cash from southern California. Got that southern and check
Speaker 1: this out. I had the crab because you know, my
Speaker 1: daddy from Mississippi. Okay, Mom and granddaddy and them, they
Speaker 1: are from Louisiana. Okay, you know they you know I'm
Speaker 1: from that. I'm from the shoot. You know you know
Speaker 1: that I'm from the shore, studing you I'm from that era.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm real, I'm a I'm a I'm a Valeo
Speaker 1: South dude. You know what I'm saying. I live. I
Speaker 1: stayed at Grandma. I went to Grandma State University of Louisia.
Speaker 1: Like I'm it's empty. So you know, my my grandmamma
Speaker 1: on my daddy's side, straight from Mississippi, her r ip
Speaker 1: Grandmama Rebecca. She used to come. I go over there.
Speaker 1: She over there and making hog head cheese with the eyelashes,
Speaker 1: eyeball everything in it. What hell, well, you know what
Speaker 1: that hog head chee? You you really, you really downside
Speaker 1: because they a whole lot of people don't about hog
Speaker 1: head chee. Let me tell you my grand Let me
Speaker 1: tell you now. Let me tell you about my grandmama.
Speaker 1: On my mama's side, she raised eleven kids her my
Speaker 1: granddamey people that my granddad was a preacher for sixty years.
Speaker 1: R ip to mother Thurman and granddaddy Thurman. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And Uh, one day I go over
Speaker 1: there to Millersville in the eighteen hundred block, and I holler,
Speaker 1: I go hider. Grandma justused to go visit them, she says.
Speaker 1: She said. Grandsaid, I'm going on over there, and luck
Speaker 1: it's for me, and go pick up me some chicken feet.
Speaker 1: I say, well, Grandmama, yeah, it's some chicken feet. Just
Speaker 1: asked the butcher, just say you're here from mother Thurman.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, I'll do it for you grandmama.
Speaker 1: And so I went over there. I said, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: here to some chicken feet from my grandma. Oh, mother famine. Okay,
Speaker 1: no problem, dude, had it all packaged, stup, ready to
Speaker 1: go in there. Thing. I brought it to Grandmama. Grandmama
Speaker 1: hadn't already had the cast iron uh cast iron h
Speaker 1: skillet with the breeze already warming up, because it's right
Speaker 1: across the street, you know what I'm saying, already warming
Speaker 1: up all that good shit. Man. She had a little
Speaker 1: seasoning in the bag already ready. Man. She washed them off,
Speaker 1: cut the feet, you know, a little pieces off, took
Speaker 1: the toils off. You know it, right, man, She's chicken
Speaker 1: things up, put them things in there, fried them up,
Speaker 1: and she she got to eat them things. It was.
Speaker 1: It looked, it looked it kind of like different. But
Speaker 1: I was I was tempted to do it, but I
Speaker 1: was kind of younger. I was like, nineteen, I will
Speaker 1: hold off. I'mna hold off. But as I traveled, you know,
Speaker 1: when we on the road, we stopping at Flying Jay's,
Speaker 1: and we stopping at Walmart, and we're going through the
Speaker 1: south Midwest, this and a third were going to the
Speaker 1: publics and all these places, we're seeing more and more
Speaker 1: chicken feet. I say, man, I call my folks and
Speaker 1: say this is my grandmama had me get y'all see
Speaker 1: the chicken feet, So it's common. It's common in the South, Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know I grew up I'm from Rule South, Georgia.
Speaker 1: I'm heavy Georgia. So I grew up eating pig in
Speaker 1: the sandwiches, eating pig tails, eating chicken that, eating pig feet,
Speaker 1: eating you know, the wild game, the squirrel, the rabbit,
Speaker 1: the raccoons. Because you know how I know. I watched
Speaker 1: the whole segment about you and your your brother and
Speaker 1: your and your grandma. You love your grandma, Bro. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You raised y'all. Bro. Y'll
Speaker 1: have to walk hell a fart to school is a smaller.
Speaker 1: I know your story, I know the struggle, Bro. I
Speaker 1: know you from Bro, and I'm proud of you too, Bro.
Speaker 1: Trust it. Part of you mentioned. I appreciate that you
Speaker 1: mentioned that you started investing and start ups and you're
Speaker 1: doing quite well, and that has there been some opportunities
Speaker 1: that you like, I'm a pass on this and they
Speaker 1: come to find out they hit up not yet, because
Speaker 1: anything that that has I would say, I would say
Speaker 1: fixtures that they didn't hit a few times. If they involved.
Speaker 1: It's like they ain't involved. Like I'm in I'm in
Speaker 1: a company one of the ones that with Oprah and
Speaker 1: people don't know what it is, but it's one of
Speaker 1: them right now being chamillionaire and our host you know,
Speaker 1: uh Supreme Partners team, you know what I'm saying. Right,
Speaker 1: and so we like we we all we like we
Speaker 1: in it, but we just don't say nothing. We just
Speaker 1: were cool, you know what I'm saying. But like I say,
Speaker 1: I'm anytime you got some big names or something in
Speaker 1: there that really didn't already then you know, you know,
Speaker 1: had a few companies that didn't got acquired in IPO.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You want you want to
Speaker 1: you want to get in they know evidently they know something.
Speaker 1: They evidently they know what it is because they think
Speaker 1: about the future. Right I say, if them big dogs
Speaker 1: got their names to it, it's normally something good. It's
Speaker 1: normally something good. Bro. What was your what was your
Speaker 1: first business venture? My first business venture was I would
Speaker 1: say nineteen eighty nine. My brother, uh me and my
Speaker 1: brother had a clothing store. It was called New Fat
Speaker 1: Clothing right there in Millersville on Solano Avenue. Okay, and
Speaker 1: we bought a clothing store. We would get our clothes.
Speaker 1: We were so young that we wasn't able to have
Speaker 1: our credit, you know, we you know, we we we
Speaker 1: we had to figure it out ourselves because we're self
Speaker 1: taught and we were self made, and so we you know,
Speaker 1: we would go to the garment district. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We would go to garment to get our clothes.
Speaker 1: We went to New York like you know, and got
Speaker 1: you know, get closer, you know, for a lower price.
Speaker 1: We we went to the Magic Show. The Magic Show
Speaker 1: used to be a big deal. And in Las Vegas
Speaker 1: we went to the back then we got we hooked
Speaker 1: up with Carl can I Cross Colors, major damage all
Speaker 1: those They let us get in on CODs U ups
Speaker 1: co D cash on delivery back then right then, and uh,
Speaker 1: we would go to Cordelia if we didn't if we
Speaker 1: miss if we miss a drop off or something like,
Speaker 1: if they if we was going and they were gonna
Speaker 1: pick up our clothes there and pay right there or whatever.
Speaker 1: Back this you gotta remember, this is the age of
Speaker 1: the late eighties, you know. Said, so, you know, we
Speaker 1: had that we had new fat clothing up and running.
Speaker 1: So I take the little bread that I made, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and go put a down payment.
Speaker 1: We had my man Studio Tongue, you know, which produced
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of songs, Captain save a whole and
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of sick with the records slaps. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He said, we had studio. We
Speaker 1: had New Fat Clothing. Next to that was Davenport. Then
Speaker 1: further down you had Rich Arts Barbershop. You know what
Speaker 1: I said. You had studio Tone Studio. So I take
Speaker 1: the little bread that I make, and I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: a down payment down there on studio to stud tonk
Speaker 1: he go, you know, he go, a hundred bucks man.
Speaker 1: Let me let me get in next Thursday. I'm having
Speaker 1: my lyrics already written. All I need this like four hours,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna come in there and knock
Speaker 1: out about four or five songs. And I was a youngster,
Speaker 1: so I knock out four and five songs complete right away.
Speaker 1: Like you know, cats going there and knock out songs.
Speaker 1: But this was with a lot of thought in it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They're going there knock out
Speaker 1: a song and just do a verse art verse and
Speaker 1: a half, no hook, get to be incomplete. I had
Speaker 1: my tupac on I go in there and knock out
Speaker 1: four songs right away, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: that was my first business venture right there. So you've
Speaker 1: been you've been about this hustle thing for a minute,
Speaker 1: just a teenager. So you got the clothes, you got,
Speaker 1: you started a little clothing thing. But it seems to
Speaker 1: me you were doing the clothing thing because music was
Speaker 1: always because you're like, Okay, I got one hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need some I'm gonna need some boot time
Speaker 1: next Thursday. So that bobing was the was the start,
Speaker 1: was the gateway to what you really wanted to do,
Speaker 1: which was music. That's right, That's what it was. It
Speaker 1: helped me out tremendously, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: I always had you know, I used to work at
Speaker 1: the I used to have a paper route, okay, all
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And on that paper my granddaddy had
Speaker 1: one earlier too. He had one early in the morning.
Speaker 1: The papers will be delivered to me. Here, can pick
Speaker 1: me up and it'll be delivered to him too. But
Speaker 1: he'll pick me up and uh, and I it'll be
Speaker 1: early in the morning before school, like five am. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Remember, mind you, I was in band.
Speaker 1: I played the drums from the fourth grade all the
Speaker 1: way to the twelfth grade. That they didn't have studios
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Back when I was in the
Speaker 1: fourth grade on up. You know what I mean, everything
Speaker 1: was angry. So anyway, so remember I had zero period band.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta danger be at at school at
Speaker 1: like seven thirty. So I had to be already dressed
Speaker 1: everything so grand Daddy could picked me up four thirty
Speaker 1: five am in the morning. And so one day I'm
Speaker 1: on the paper route with him, and uh, I'm I was.
Speaker 1: I was an observer of the game, always been a
Speaker 1: student of the game. So I always pay attention to
Speaker 1: older people and everything. I just used to everything around me.
Speaker 1: And one day I'm in the car with him. He
Speaker 1: was like it was just me and here he just grandson.
Speaker 1: I say, hey, granddadd he just you were you were
Speaker 1: heavy at thinker Huh, I say, a grand Daddy, because
Speaker 1: I was in deep thought. I'll just be That's why
Speaker 1: I'm so thought like this. I'm just a thinker, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm here and that's why I'm woke. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I always I used to work for South in South
Speaker 1: Valo during the summer at Valle Neighborhood housing because I drew.
Speaker 1: I used to like to draw. So I take an
Speaker 1: old house, you know what I'm saying, and I draw
Speaker 1: the old house and then show how it's gonna look
Speaker 1: at the end of it when it's done, completely furbished
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, I used to do that, man, I
Speaker 1: used to do you know. I was, ah, I never
Speaker 1: let grass grow under my feet. Man, wasn't letting a
Speaker 1: standing steel but an old ass hill and a broken
Speaker 1: down bottom field on my behalf. You feel, So what
Speaker 1: inspired you to get into the music? What inspired you
Speaker 1: to wrap? What inspired me to wrap was when I
Speaker 1: first heard the sugar Hill Game nine Rappers, Delight Rappers,
Speaker 1: Delight Boy. When I heard that, I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: hell is this new form of music? You know? And
Speaker 1: it was just everybody at my school was singing it.
Speaker 1: It was new, and I know that song all the
Speaker 1: way through. He was about twenty minute long, but everybody
Speaker 1: knew it. Everybody knew that song. Man, the chicken Wood,
Speaker 1: the chicken taste like something. It was like all kinds
Speaker 1: of the hip hop. H I mean, you gotta remember
Speaker 1: that was you know hip hop? Who was seventy nine?
Speaker 1: Was that it ye forty one years ago, forty two
Speaker 1: years ago that came out That's a trip, bro. So
Speaker 1: basically that made me start rapping, just playing around right,
Speaker 1: you know. But before that, I'm listening now, when you
Speaker 1: started your your style didn't immediately catch on. It wasn't
Speaker 1: until years later that people appreciated your style, your flow,
Speaker 1: your caters. Until this day, nobody has ever been able
Speaker 1: to replicate what you've been able to do on the bike. No,
Speaker 1: because I took My style is unpredictable because I don't
Speaker 1: even know how I'm a flow like it just depends
Speaker 1: on how to be sound or what what what what?
Speaker 1: You know, whatever direction my flows take me because I'm
Speaker 1: all over the place like space right everywhere like air,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was like, I just because
Speaker 1: I can do it all, bro, I can wrap slow,
Speaker 1: and I can wrap that. I wrap real slow, laid
Speaker 1: back cause I like mob music. And then I just
Speaker 1: turned it, turn it on. Then it come that you
Speaker 1: know that that that mouthpiece with a shift kid in it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I guess just get the
Speaker 1: gas and you know what I'm saying, that's when the
Speaker 1: dual exhausts kick in and that when I take off,
Speaker 1: that's when motherfucker's be like, oh my god, it's nigga.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, but the but the
Speaker 1: style and the way you do it, the words, the caters,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I mean, your flow, Like I said,
Speaker 1: nobody has ever been able to replicate that. No, we
Speaker 1: see rappers that you know, rested soul pop smoke, he
Speaker 1: sounds like fifty and we see heard rappers that sound
Speaker 1: like some of the modern day rappers. But you and
Speaker 1: that style that's so unique to the Bay and to
Speaker 1: e fort It. Why can't someone flow like that? So
Speaker 1: it's people I've grew up on too as well that
Speaker 1: you know, you can say that has influences on me too,
Speaker 1: and you would never know though, Like like you got
Speaker 1: a kind of KrF one vibe, Definitely, I got carras
Speaker 1: one in me. I got too short in me. I
Speaker 1: got some brothers from Richmond, California named Magic Mike and Calvint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I care can go from your t F
Speaker 1: four if you ever heard they just can't go from
Speaker 1: you t F Yeah, I made my voice like that.
Speaker 1: You feel me like like it's a lot of I
Speaker 1: got influences too, But when you put me all together,
Speaker 1: like I got like iced t in me, you won't
Speaker 1: even know I got iced t in me? Right, you know,
Speaker 1: I got the streets in me, and I ten straight
Speaker 1: street shit, you feel right. So anyway, it's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of rappers man, and and and and it's me
Speaker 1: too with my character and my my cadence come from
Speaker 1: playing of drums. Right well, if you if you listen
Speaker 1: to my cadences, it's drum, it's all. It's percussion. It's
Speaker 1: a percussion flow stole. You know what I'm saying. You,
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, when you first started out, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: that's whack. I mean, nobody was really trying to collab
Speaker 1: with you. So what were you thinking? Then You're like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not here. I'm out here doing what I do.
Speaker 1: I know, I know my stuff good, I know it think,
Speaker 1: but I can't get no love. Man. It bothered me up.
Speaker 1: Like I actually, I tell you one day, man, when
Speaker 1: we in nineteen eighty eight. We had our me, my brother,
Speaker 1: my brother Mac d Shot, my cousin be Legit, my
Speaker 1: sister Sugar Tea. We was called m VP Most Valuable Players.
Speaker 1: We had a place called the Pros Pros DJs. We
Speaker 1: played our music for them. It was like probably maybe
Speaker 1: fifty fifty people in the room, maybe a hundred, I
Speaker 1: don't know. And I was like, so we played it
Speaker 1: and you know they was they No one gave us
Speaker 1: no feedback. My man Casper, which I talked to last week,
Speaker 1: he was like, what do you gotta stack? And no
Speaker 1: one said nothing. They didn't say nothing about like, man,
Speaker 1: you know you need to go back to the drawing board.
Speaker 1: I think you should work on this a little more.
Speaker 1: It's like y'all not quite there or whatever. They just
Speaker 1: did us like that. So I man, my heart start racing.
Speaker 1: I start having a panic attack, like you know, like
Speaker 1: I start getting anxiety. Oh my first time ever experienced
Speaker 1: anything like that. You gotta understand, I had one foot
Speaker 1: on the turf and I had one foot in the
Speaker 1: vocal booth, right, so I wasn't you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Yeah, So I'm I'm stressed out. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm worried about if if if, if one
Speaker 1: of these old scaled let's ask motherfuckers friends to try
Speaker 1: to kick in my door and I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: open them up. Or if you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Or if I'm I'm a fair as a poet, propo
Speaker 1: fan to be on my anus, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I gotta I was. I
Speaker 1: was stressed out. I was caught between a rock and
Speaker 1: a political hard place. It wasn't a catch twenty two,
Speaker 1: It's a catch twenty three. Luckily I had, like I said,
Speaker 1: my grandparents, my auntie's name, a mom and them everybody
Speaker 1: prayer warriors. They wanted to I'm the chosen one of
Speaker 1: the family, you know what I'm saying. And they knew
Speaker 1: they seen it. They knew I was gonna beat somebody.
Speaker 1: They knew I wanted after streets. They knew that I
Speaker 1: wanted to be this this influence. So they knew I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a motivator. You know. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh, I'm here to inspire, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And they knew that, they knew what I
Speaker 1: was gonna be so anyway that that that did what
Speaker 1: it did. I was holding the grudge up until recently
Speaker 1: when my uncle say Charles like, man, you know what,
Speaker 1: don't don't don't say the word hate when you hate,
Speaker 1: when you don't like somebody, Just say you don't you
Speaker 1: don't you know you you don't, you don't rock with them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean something like that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because you say, you know that can
Speaker 1: come back on you because there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: I can really have, I can really not ever like
Speaker 1: in my life you have problems have issues with Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they did me wrong, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm a real good person, you know. And so
Speaker 1: but at the time, at the time, did you think
Speaker 1: did you do you think they knew they were doing
Speaker 1: you wrong? Or it was just that what what do
Speaker 1: you think that problems? Now that I'm older, because you know,
Speaker 1: with with with age comes wisdom older, I get watching,
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking on the outside looking in and they
Speaker 1: probably just didn't understand how you know, we was ahead
Speaker 1: of our time, right, you know, but at that time
Speaker 1: my style didn't develop that quick like that. It was
Speaker 1: like kind of looking normal. It was. That was my
Speaker 1: first little goal. So I'm like, man, it was right
Speaker 1: in the pocket. It wasn't like it was some thowd
Speaker 1: shit like I like, I'm told now like I might
Speaker 1: style everywhere like air. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, your style was like a Tesla. Tesla been
Speaker 1: out for a minute, but they didn't get hopped until
Speaker 1: like the last five two years. And now they've blowing
Speaker 1: up like everything. Not nitro, just like Tito's vodka. Took
Speaker 1: him twenty years to really getting known everywhere, and look
Speaker 1: at him now, Yeah, in their status. You see. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So you're wrong. Wasn't built in
Speaker 1: a day, you feel me? They caught up. They finally
Speaker 1: caught up. Now everybody rapping fast. Now everybody know what's
Speaker 1: happening now, Now everybody know all my slang words. It's
Speaker 1: just now surfacing that I said when some of these
Speaker 1: rappers was kids, before they wasn't even born. I was
Speaker 1: saying the words that they created a lot of rappers
Speaker 1: for it. But I don't even trip because I'm older
Speaker 1: and wiser. It's like I know history peace itself, and
Speaker 1: I know how it going. They got it from somebody
Speaker 1: that got it from somebody that got it from somebody
Speaker 1: that got it from me. You feel me, you you
Speaker 1: got it. That's your style. They came by folk, they
Speaker 1: came like fo people after you. But that's you in
Speaker 1: real life. And so you know, like I said, I'm so,
Speaker 1: I'm so much in a happy space man, and a
Speaker 1: good I'm here to be a motivator man and more.
Speaker 1: People want these junsters to see how I get down.
Speaker 1: I'm not into no sucker stuff, man, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to be solid, not solid. Did you ever think about
Speaker 1: changing your style because you weren't getting the love you weren't.
Speaker 1: You weren't getting the play that you thought you deserved.
Speaker 1: So did you think about changing your style? Your float? Nah?
Speaker 1: My mama told me, she said, whatever you do, boy,
Speaker 1: you just keep rapping fast because she used to see me.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was. I rubbed my
Speaker 1: neck like back here, and it was all listen my
Speaker 1: shoulders to be real tense. So one day my auntie say,
Speaker 1: why are you so tense? Boys? She's like, and I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a little stress. I guess you stuck
Speaker 1: here said that was stressed. I was stressed out at
Speaker 1: a young age, right, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I didn't know. So I was like my Mamma used
Speaker 1: to always tell me, she said, boy, keep rapping, doing
Speaker 1: your things. She was always she always motivated me. She
Speaker 1: used to tell us who you know, she raising three
Speaker 1: boys and one girl on Magazine Street. She like, y'all
Speaker 1: get out there and be men. Get out there and
Speaker 1: be men. Experienced the world, and that's what we did.
Speaker 1: She gave us our freedom to go. That's why we
Speaker 1: saw ahead of our time we would be. We would
Speaker 1: be out of When we were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: we everywhere I'm talking about out of state. We all
Speaker 1: over the place. And my mom was still working three jobs.
Speaker 1: Worked at State Hospital, you understand. He was worked at
Speaker 1: mister Jimmy's around the corner on Folt Street, I mean
Speaker 1: on the Laurel Street and the hillside. Worked at vallel
Speaker 1: neighborhood house and I used to watch walls with it.
Speaker 1: Worked at Maggie's Hamburger's on Nitial Row. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. She doing all these side jobs just
Speaker 1: to take care of us. You know, my dad paid
Speaker 1: child support, but you know. That was you know, four kids,
Speaker 1: you know, and we was into sports. So four hundred
Speaker 1: dollars wasn't the number, I know, because he had to
Speaker 1: pay fourteen. I think it's foulteen total for four kids,
Speaker 1: which he did because he worked for PG and he
Speaker 1: you know, I love my pops. You don't say that,
Speaker 1: but I said that wasn't enough for us. We was active.
Speaker 1: We played football, baseball, We played all week. You know
Speaker 1: you're a week a week, bro, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You feel me. I'm looking at your your resume. You
Speaker 1: dropped twenty seven solo albums. What is the thought bro,
Speaker 1: when you go into the I mean, do you need
Speaker 1: a beat and then write or do you write with
Speaker 1: a beat in mind? What's the process like for e
Speaker 1: forty writing writing a song? Well, first off, it's more
Speaker 1: than twenty seven. That's a that's old data because they
Speaker 1: say that they've been saying that for the last four years.
Speaker 1: So what you what you up to? Now? We're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure we get it right. Bertie, It's okay, fam
Speaker 1: this this is you read enough to thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Now I gotta count because I
Speaker 1: dropped something like in December. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: jointing because they haven't added you know, to beat Me
Speaker 1: and beat LEGiT's album, you know, to respect, they didn't
Speaker 1: do me in two short history. Mob must function music
Speaker 1: like they ain't adding you know, the one Me and
Speaker 1: two Shots just did recently. They ain't added all the group,
Speaker 1: the group albums I've been with the click by my
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. You know what I'm saying, my brother
Speaker 1: and sister. My brother's an sister. Anyway, make a long
Speaker 1: story short, but no, I uh you had let's get
Speaker 1: back right when you say, I'm sitting up here trying
Speaker 1: to correct you about how many albums? What was the
Speaker 1: what was the question after that? As far as I
Speaker 1: ask you when you go in, are you do you
Speaker 1: need a beat and write to the beat? Or have
Speaker 1: you written a song with a beating mind? Man, A
Speaker 1: lot of times I do write songs with a beating mind.
Speaker 1: And then but but I do I take notes? Okay,
Speaker 1: so you know if I if I say, uh, make
Speaker 1: up something like uh, you know they say wrong what
Speaker 1: they say, they say, uh, life ain't promise tomorrow. I
Speaker 1: say life, A life ain't promise today? And I say
Speaker 1: that in my little tape quarter or also I write
Speaker 1: it in my notes on my iPhone life life and
Speaker 1: promise tomorrow or today. You know what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: And you know, and that's something my uncle them used
Speaker 1: to say. You feel me, that's how That's how I
Speaker 1: say it, right, I come just like that, and then
Speaker 1: that's how I'm so thad like I'm all over the place.
Speaker 1: So you know that's how I right. But I would
Speaker 1: love to. I love when a beat has a hook
Speaker 1: to it, all right, when these producers send it with
Speaker 1: the hook, whether they write the hook in my voice
Speaker 1: like they ride it and say forty you say this
Speaker 1: part on the hook, because I'm gonna give them. They
Speaker 1: put they publishing, they write this list all that. That's
Speaker 1: all cool. You know. People don't write for me. But
Speaker 1: if you want to write a hook for me, all
Speaker 1: they do it, you can do. You can do a
Speaker 1: hook for me if you want to. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you have everything that everything that that
Speaker 1: that that that forty fit forty rode. Oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: but you know we also have every rapper. Can you can, hey,
Speaker 1: if a motherfucker line, if they ain't saying they they
Speaker 1: got a house full of their partners and they say, faulty.
Speaker 1: What we're saying it like this? Now this is the
Speaker 1: new word they're saying. And they just and they say,
Speaker 1: and you put that in all? They say, what if
Speaker 1: you say it like this? Just a couple of lines.
Speaker 1: Everybody bought a couple of bars, and so what they
Speaker 1: what they folks around them? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's called vibing. Every rapper. Fuck what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: They know it. You know what I'm saying. Even though
Speaker 1: we right, we do, we right all ship. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying everybody to participate like that, you know, whether
Speaker 1: they helping him, helping him come with a hook or
Speaker 1: something like ideals flow, you know what I'm saying. Family
Speaker 1: members like all that shit. You know, So that's how
Speaker 1: that shit go. Forty You've had You've been on a
Speaker 1: track with Tupac, two Short Little john Snoop Dogg, Mac Dre,
Speaker 1: Big Sean, scar Face, Top Dollars, slide Yo, got it?
Speaker 1: Who brings out the best? And when you when you
Speaker 1: were on when you were on a co lab with
Speaker 1: one of those guys, you know they're gonna bring it,
Speaker 1: are you saying, you know what, Oh, I got something
Speaker 1: for him. I got something today. I'm gonna lay this
Speaker 1: track down. This thing's gonna be a smoker. Anybody I
Speaker 1: do a song with period, it's friendly competition. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to outgash you, no matter if it's your son
Speaker 1: or my song, I'm gonna try to outgash you. You
Speaker 1: wanna try to turn the man up on either own fault?
Speaker 1: How are you gonna come to them? How you gonna
Speaker 1: come to the man? How it go? Try to and
Speaker 1: put your feet up on his coffee table and show
Speaker 1: out in front of hill. You know why because it
Speaker 1: makes the song bigger and greater. Because it's called friendly competition.
Speaker 1: So we're both showing out. It's gonna make the song
Speaker 1: super hard, right, super super hard? Like I got a
Speaker 1: song right now. Then I'm dropping the video for in
Speaker 1: a couple of days. And that song it's called Our
Speaker 1: Stand on that Now. We did this song about four
Speaker 1: months ago and we put it out, but we just
Speaker 1: did the video to it, and I'm just now like,
Speaker 1: damn man, we was all gassing on that thing. Like
Speaker 1: it's tremendous gas. It's like unheard of gas, and it's
Speaker 1: joining Lucas, myself and Ti and we on there rapping
Speaker 1: like Joyner always rapped like that. With me and Tip,
Speaker 1: we we ain't. We never rapped like that. Well I
Speaker 1: have a little bit, but me and Tip we we
Speaker 1: we ain't rapped like that in many years. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like New Scoopa, but it's we
Speaker 1: never rapped like that. But when you hear it, it's
Speaker 1: gassy in every word. You can hear it. And just
Speaker 1: y'all look out for that video it's called I Stand
Speaker 1: on that. So, like I say, man, I could do
Speaker 1: any style. I'm all over the place where my flows
Speaker 1: and I just love creating things being different. When you different,
Speaker 1: you can become an innovator. If you sound like everybody else,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If you, if you if
Speaker 1: you continuously just want to be the second dude, what's
Speaker 1: whatever's in? You can do? What's that? Whatever it is in?
Speaker 1: Because it's good to keep your eye on the ball
Speaker 1: so you won't strike out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So you won't go down. You know looking, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, keep your eye on the ball and
Speaker 1: dial in Because the reason I say that is, you
Speaker 1: gotta turn with the times or the time's gonna turn
Speaker 1: on you. But you gotta do it in your way
Speaker 1: and your and keep it in your jurisdiction, it within
Speaker 1: your envelope and make it you because, like I say,
Speaker 1: during it, it was a it was a time in
Speaker 1: the Bay Area. It was called the Heifi movement right
Speaker 1: due to people like my man, Rick Rock, Droopy and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth, tracks Million, and a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of other producers. The beats was up to became
Speaker 1: up Temple, especially Rick Rock, because I mean Rick Rock
Speaker 1: had him up Temple and that's I'm like, man, all
Speaker 1: you gotta do it's just spit what's going on. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. In your way, Spit it. You
Speaker 1: ain't lying. Tell what's going on. Put some game in there.
Speaker 1: A few boys, you know, do your thing and just
Speaker 1: do it on the up Temple beat. A lot of cats. Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't with that, man, it's just mob music. I'm nigga.
Speaker 1: I'm the one who made my music. I created that
Speaker 1: meat legit and at Banks and studio telling and Mike
Speaker 1: Moseley and say I'm Boston and Rick Rocking all us.
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying right going down the line.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like we we were just doing something.
Speaker 1: We were adjusting to the times. It's different times. We
Speaker 1: gotta be innovators. So up temple Beats spitting that good
Speaker 1: old spitting straight gasoline over them. It's where it's that
Speaker 1: because the cats was like, man, I ain't with that. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm keeping they were stubborn. I'm like, man, you ain't stubborn.
Speaker 1: You just don't know how to do it. Are you
Speaker 1: just gonna want to put your brain to do it?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying a lot of people got
Speaker 1: stuck in the mud, not trying to adapt. And I
Speaker 1: stayed with the youngsters and the new generation and still
Speaker 1: with me and out gassing motherfuckers. And still to this day,
Speaker 1: I'm a half a century years old and I still
Speaker 1: wrap circles around the majority of the mother For your
Speaker 1: favorite rappers, trust that who haven't you worked with that
Speaker 1: you would like to work with, as far as maybe
Speaker 1: a collab, maybe a producer, because I think it was
Speaker 1: somebody that I think it was doctor Dre. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've done anything with doctor Dre. And you
Speaker 1: said you would like to like to do something with
Speaker 1: doctor Dre and you would think that, hell, he from Cali,
Speaker 1: I'm from Cali. We'd have linked up at some point
Speaker 1: in time by now, but it just hasn't happened. I
Speaker 1: really don't think doctor Dre mean anything by it. It's
Speaker 1: just I'm not. I don't stay in LA. I'm the base.
Speaker 1: So I think if I was closer to him, I've
Speaker 1: been a doctor Doctor Dre. I loved me being around him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's how I feel because
Speaker 1: I'm a character. I'm a good person. I ain't scanned this,
Speaker 1: so none of that ships, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Just a creative person he created. I'm creative, but I
Speaker 1: figure man. Like I say, as you get older, you
Speaker 1: get wiser, and with age comes wisdom. I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know that they might come, it might come. Have you
Speaker 1: picked up white what? Have you picked up the phone
Speaker 1: and tried to reach out? I mean, you know, we tried.
Speaker 1: We tried before, you know, we tried. We tried to
Speaker 1: do a song. Actually I did. He sent me a
Speaker 1: song through my man's silk and me and being short
Speaker 1: and guess what, and we never did go all the
Speaker 1: way through with it. It wasn't me or him. We
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but that beat never because you know,
Speaker 1: dress sitting on some beats, He's sitting on some good songs.
Speaker 1: They say there's a lot of songs he got in
Speaker 1: the vote that he ain't put it out for yet.
Speaker 1: You know what people been on, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, so one of them,
Speaker 1: one of them songs. You know, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't waste these lyrics. I'm gonna use this on
Speaker 1: another song, right, you know, But that ain't why me
Speaker 1: and it ain't that ain't why. It's just we just
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to connect. But he is on
Speaker 1: Mount Westmore on one of them. He got on the
Speaker 1: song for Mount Westmore me he Snoop Dog too short
Speaker 1: and Ice cued. He did do that because you know
Speaker 1: that's Snoop, that's Snoop and and Ice cue. Real friend,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I got I got respected
Speaker 1: love for him, you know what I'm saying. But you know,
Speaker 1: when we have, you know, met and ran across each other,
Speaker 1: it's nothing but love and respect. You started this Bay thing,
Speaker 1: but one of the biggest Bay Area rappers is Tupac
Speaker 1: and and a lot of people have him on their mouth,
Speaker 1: rush more than you have a very unique You can
Speaker 1: tell stories about Tupac that very few people can because
Speaker 1: you knew him on a different level. You knew him
Speaker 1: back there before he blew up and became Tupac Death
Speaker 1: Road Tupac talk to us about POC and how did
Speaker 1: he pushed you to become the rapper you became. Well,
Speaker 1: I think we pushed each other because he grew up
Speaker 1: on me. But at the same time he became he
Speaker 1: blossom quicker than me, right and I and I grew
Speaker 1: up on It was artists that started there before me
Speaker 1: as well, Like shout out to mc hammer, yeah hammer, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but I've always been there, like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just eighty eight, like music on the Shelson's eighty
Speaker 1: eight that ain't too hard to you know, it ain't
Speaker 1: too many, you know. I just didn't blow up right
Speaker 1: then and there. My mine came a year and a
Speaker 1: half later. I started, you know, when I came with
Speaker 1: you know the ship that the fuck with your Brain
Speaker 1: and less Side and mister Flamboyant and all that good stuff,
Speaker 1: and they just start taking off from there. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I would say, man, so many,
Speaker 1: so many stories. Let's see it. Let's see. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you about a phone conversation. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I tell a lot of other stuff when we
Speaker 1: and you know together, the phone conversation. You know, he
Speaker 1: was just telling me I probably talked about this before.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, forty because we was going to
Speaker 1: hang up on the phone. We was talking and then
Speaker 1: we're going to hang up, and he says, oh, fu
Speaker 1: fall I meant to tell you, man, uh, you might
Speaker 1: want to invest in this, you know, and this this
Speaker 1: this thing. I came with an ideal. Man, I want
Speaker 1: to call. You know, they got planned in Hollywood. I think,
Speaker 1: I think I want to do something. Call. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Gangster cafe. Man. When you know you
Speaker 1: have all the casters like you know, Al Capone and
Speaker 1: Lucky Luciano and you know, all these cats on the walls.
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a it's a cafe. It's you
Speaker 1: they serving food, they got you know, they playing music
Speaker 1: from the Rolling twenties or whatever, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: or whatever whenever that era was. And you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying he was. He had it laid out, He
Speaker 1: had that ideal, and that was interesting because he wanted
Speaker 1: all the he wanted all his partners to invest in
Speaker 1: it and what not. And he had the vision. And
Speaker 1: now if he did something like that, he had had
Speaker 1: the money. He had raised that money. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He had raised that money. He'll put h
Speaker 1: start with fun and it'll be all the fixtures to
Speaker 1: get in and like this is owned by you know,
Speaker 1: forty and a whole bunch of other cats, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's just the opportunities. He wasn't
Speaker 1: there at the time, but he had all the visions
Speaker 1: and he was ahead of his time, and he did
Speaker 1: so much and so little time. The man was only
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: And he got that bay in I mean, player about
Speaker 1: it for show. The way he carried itself, you know
Speaker 1: all that. You know what I'm saying. Man, the man
Speaker 1: with the man was a fashion like the way he was.
Speaker 1: He was a real true thug with it, but a
Speaker 1: GQ looking thug like the way he carried itself, the
Speaker 1: way he dressed his whole heavy you know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that was the look. That's all of
Speaker 1: us worth a side. And the field shirts and I
Speaker 1: had a feel him too, fat. I had a field
Speaker 1: of them on field shirts with that print. That was
Speaker 1: that was, that was what was in at the time.
Speaker 1: You feel that was real? Bossy? What what what made
Speaker 1: Park special in the rap game? What? What? What was
Speaker 1: so unique about him? Because if you think about Brenda
Speaker 1: had a baby and he uh, you talked about he
Speaker 1: talked about the song I forget about his mom, Uh
Speaker 1: dear mom. I think that was uh, But anyway he
Speaker 1: talked about I mean, yeah, he talked about the violence
Speaker 1: and the drugs and all that stuff. But he talked
Speaker 1: about real life, you know, how Brenda, how he gave up,
Speaker 1: you know, got pregnant at thirteen fourteen, and the love
Speaker 1: for his mam. What made him so unique. He talked
Speaker 1: about the street, He talked of his vision, his storytelling.
Speaker 1: He uh, you know, being from you know, black panther background,
Speaker 1: his mom and you know all that stuff. He was
Speaker 1: like a rebel, you know. And one thing he touched
Speaker 1: on was the octagon, you know, the trap, the case.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, The soil, the hood, the
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the smudge, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's what he that's and that's what
Speaker 1: made him so unique. And he uplift male and female
Speaker 1: spirits because you know, a touched home with the stuff
Speaker 1: he was saying. Yes, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: that's what made him so dope. And he and he
Speaker 1: did a lot of what they called pain wrap. He
Speaker 1: was doing that way back then. That's why we all
Speaker 1: felt it, you know, we all felt it. And and
Speaker 1: that's what he specialized in. That's why his music lasted
Speaker 1: so long. That's why you got to consider him the
Speaker 1: greatest rapper of all times. It's not it ain't what
Speaker 1: just what he just did in the vocal booth, but
Speaker 1: him being an actor, a poet like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, doing poetry, uh, you know he did, and
Speaker 1: just being a leader like if you you know right now,
Speaker 1: you know during this whole plandemic, you know, during the
Speaker 1: during the and the protester, Yeah, you know, he would
Speaker 1: be on the front line with the biggest mouth, yes,
Speaker 1: with a bullhorn, with hell of people behind him. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That man was ahead of his time, bro.
Speaker 1: And and you know, I hate when people don't give
Speaker 1: people the roses when they alive. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: give people they roses, man, you know, because you look
Speaker 1: back and just be like, man, he man, how did
Speaker 1: they do all that? You know what I'm saying? He
Speaker 1: did so much and so a little time. And looking
Speaker 1: how long his albums lasted. Yeah, you know, look how
Speaker 1: long they lasted after he after he passed, it was
Speaker 1: so much music out there, bro, Yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a party. Is hard to define a rap album. That's
Speaker 1: harder than all lives on me and then you Baby,
Speaker 1: I was on come on. That was a that was special.
Speaker 1: And like you said, he was twenty five. If you
Speaker 1: look at he and Biggie, Biggie was bigger, had like
Speaker 1: basically a two two year, two and a half three
Speaker 1: year career park even though he was with Digital Underground.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about have a solo. I mean, he didn't
Speaker 1: have a decade. He didn't have twenty years like a
Speaker 1: lot of these rappers had. Can't you imagine if he
Speaker 1: had a decade or a twenty year run he and
Speaker 1: Biggie what the rap game would have been. Some time
Speaker 1: got on one of them upstairs. Early man. I figured
Speaker 1: he wanted the angels looking over people like myself and
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other Cassett you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He called him in early man, you know, and I
Speaker 1: can imagine he would have. I mean, he'd be a
Speaker 1: billionaire for sure. He'd be a billionaire because he was
Speaker 1: very intelligent and he wanted to learn. He wanted to
Speaker 1: learn from white people and other people like he wanted
Speaker 1: but he wanted to be He would have probably you
Speaker 1: never know what he would It was groundbreaking things. His
Speaker 1: mind was so deep and he and he loved his people.
Speaker 1: He loved he loved, he loved what he what he
Speaker 1: is black, you know what I'm saying. But he knew,
Speaker 1: you know, he would have been that rebellious slave that
Speaker 1: would have been learning how to read behind you know,
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Like now you say that he didn't give.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have cared about in his back whip and
Speaker 1: shit like that. Like he let his nuts hang over
Speaker 1: his shoulder. He was with it. He he had heart man, period,
Speaker 1: you know, so man, I can imagine him right now,
Speaker 1: man a billionaire And salute to Jay Z. Too mentions,
Speaker 1: I love everything JJ is doing. Man, I really, I
Speaker 1: really I respect him as being a real man and
Speaker 1: a you know, a great husband been. You know, he
Speaker 1: loves his queen. They like they teamwork, make the dream work,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, and they rocking. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I love great examples of an
Speaker 1: Afro American. How were you able to stay out of
Speaker 1: away from the West coast East coast battle that inevitably
Speaker 1: claim bigger claim Tupac. We see a lot of it
Speaker 1: because before before bigg and Tupacs, rappers weren't getting killed.
Speaker 1: They were pillars of the community. They were like they
Speaker 1: were to be protected. And now you see ex extension.
Speaker 1: You see pop smoke, you saw bigg and Tupac. You see.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they supposed to be they supposed to be
Speaker 1: off limits for do you know when we were growing up,
Speaker 1: there were certain people that were off limits. They were
Speaker 1: untouchable in the community. Yeah, you know, I stayed prayed
Speaker 1: up just every because I prayed before. I like, if
Speaker 1: I got a certain phone call to make to somebody
Speaker 1: or sit down, I try to ask God the guide
Speaker 1: my thinking process and my tongue to say the right
Speaker 1: things and hope that the other person that I'm talking
Speaker 1: to are the other people that I'm talking to, uh,
Speaker 1: and take it the right way and we work it
Speaker 1: out because communication is everything, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I would always I tripped because even I'm from
Speaker 1: the West Coast, you know, they used to call me
Speaker 1: the West Coast Biggie. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: had Biggie over there, but he wore a kango, I
Speaker 1: wold kango even though he was younger than me. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was wearing kangos when I
Speaker 1: was you know, fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old, and I
Speaker 1: used to get him from the NB mall and he's
Speaker 1: my mall, you know what I'm saying. And then Berkeley
Speaker 1: at the Berkeley hat shot, She's what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: anyway to make a long story, shure, we kind of
Speaker 1: was sim you know, but that was the look, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We had. We were the same
Speaker 1: kind of But the thing is is that I actually,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, let me, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me see, let me kick
Speaker 1: back and watch how everything folds. With with the East
Speaker 1: Coast stay because I would go to New I would
Speaker 1: go to New York and getting them with love, like
Speaker 1: you know, I was with Jive Records. That was my
Speaker 1: distribution I was with. So I'm out there and I'm
Speaker 1: out there in New York and it's like I'm just walking,
Speaker 1: you know, down the street, like going to get something
Speaker 1: to eat of something, and I would maybe something some
Speaker 1: representatives from Jive, you know, showing me you're, you know,
Speaker 1: on our way too, because everything is walking distance and
Speaker 1: everything when you're going into these big buildings and all
Speaker 1: that stuff like that. So I'm like everybody just blowing
Speaker 1: the horn and shit, Foti folty man, we fuck with you, bro,
Speaker 1: We fuck with you, bro. Like you wouldn't know that
Speaker 1: it's so much. It's really a lot of love out
Speaker 1: there that we haven't collected. I went to Harlem. I
Speaker 1: called me and my man Dave House. We all went
Speaker 1: to We went to uh. We called the u uh
Speaker 1: not the bark the subways we called we could we
Speaker 1: called the subways and went to Harlem. From Manhattan to Harlem,
Speaker 1: man when I got off, when I got out of
Speaker 1: when I got off the subway and walking down up
Speaker 1: you know what was that? It's that one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten hundred and fifth Street. What street is that the
Speaker 1: main one in Harlem? What Sylvia's at and all that.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, if you
Speaker 1: walk it down that thing, man, it's so much love.
Speaker 1: This is during the during the time when the ship,
Speaker 1: all of East Coast ship and all that. It's so
Speaker 1: much love, you know what I'm saying, Like they fuck
Speaker 1: with certain people. I know. If I was from the
Speaker 1: East Coast and I've seen E. Forty from the West Coast,
Speaker 1: and I watched his movement and watched how how different
Speaker 1: he is and how you carry itself and shit like that.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not a shit starter, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I ain't in all that shit. That ship don't move me.
Speaker 1: I'm not with that, you know what I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: I watched how you carried itself and I met him,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, man, I want to meet that brother,
Speaker 1: like and I've seen him, I want to meet him.
Speaker 1: I would like me. I would like E. Forty because
Speaker 1: I'm a unique dude, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I'm dope, you know, And I carried myself, you know,
Speaker 1: in an an intelligent way. You know. So it's like
Speaker 1: I just had a numb but love bro, you know. So,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just got let me see
Speaker 1: all eras of hip hop. I've seen it all. I'm
Speaker 1: talking all of it. I've seen it all. The only
Speaker 1: parts I missed was maybe you know the South Bronx days,
Speaker 1: the days when you know of you know, Mellie Mayle
Speaker 1: and them, you know, back when they were shooting them
Speaker 1: videos back in you know, but I watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we've seen it. That's bought it off. How they
Speaker 1: had they moved. Daddy Came. Now I'm in that movement.
Speaker 1: I loved you. Yeah you were big Yeah Big Daddy
Speaker 1: eight Yeah, I love I love that era. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Who Daddy Came was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite rappers still is. I don't you know. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear some music from him today because he
Speaker 1: I like to swag. He was real player. Hair cut
Speaker 1: him and Scoop and Scrap Lover the way they used
Speaker 1: to dance and ship like they were real player. He
Speaker 1: had Big Daddy Cane was real player about his ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I used to watch all that,
Speaker 1: you know, Cougi rapping all of them to sit. What
Speaker 1: was that group called was they called the Syndicate not
Speaker 1: to sendicate, It was all of them. They did a
Speaker 1: video with the cowboy hats on and everything. It was
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ace, Ace was in it. Oh man?
Speaker 1: Uh that was that was That was the go. That
Speaker 1: was the beginning. That was the beginning of the Golden
Speaker 1: Era because you had that from like eighty six and
Speaker 1: then you had that movement like you mentioned a KrF one,
Speaker 1: you had Eric being rock him uh ep m D. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you had I mean, who watch it? Come
Speaker 1: on easy? Look look what about East mc shann and
Speaker 1: them bro. A lot of people don't I used to
Speaker 1: watch mc shy d. People don't know was the first
Speaker 1: rapper out of Atlanta ever, I'm about a star, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He had slaps. Yeah. I used
Speaker 1: to I, Hey, Lou Skywalker when I'm at Grandma State University.
Speaker 1: And then we used to go we was hiphi. We
Speaker 1: used we used to go dumb in eighty six eighty
Speaker 1: seven to to th that dick that dick louse Skywalker there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: cool like us. I watched up so much of hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know, back then we would just tune into the
Speaker 1: TV watching video soul, watching all the outlets. And then
Speaker 1: when MTV started playing hip hop, that just took the kick.
Speaker 1: We loved it, you know what I mean. And I mean, man,
Speaker 1: twenty one, when East Coast you had the West Coast,
Speaker 1: you had the East Coast, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: there was the Southern rap that came onto the scene,
Speaker 1: Little John. How did you and Little John connect to
Speaker 1: start making music? Well, I used to love to get
Speaker 1: a boys. Yeah, all of them casts out there, man,
Speaker 1: you know three two and them, you know three two
Speaker 1: and Big Mike them and all of them. Kill the
Speaker 1: Houston cast U he used the cat you know, Bud,
Speaker 1: you know all my folks man, all right, Pete then
Speaker 1: was my real folks to this day, you feel me
Speaker 1: like so, I hooked up with Little John. I remember
Speaker 1: he had a song because I like them guys. But
Speaker 1: this his guy, his guy was too short, too short.
Speaker 1: Me being on the road a lot of shows I
Speaker 1: would do with too short and spice one people of
Speaker 1: people like that, you know what I'm saying. And Little
Speaker 1: John to be on the road with too short and
Speaker 1: I would always you know, chop it up with him
Speaker 1: and this, that and the third, and I was like,
Speaker 1: so little John just started just winning, start just having
Speaker 1: hell of slaps. I said, Man, we waved past, dude,
Speaker 1: let's get in there, you know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: did a song called Repio City. I was in a
Speaker 1: few of his videos before that. Then I was in
Speaker 1: then then he did Repio City with me Pete Pablo.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Repio City. That was a pretty big
Speaker 1: song and a man and that was Darrel was during
Speaker 1: the time when it was kind of like a drop
Speaker 1: during the out here in the Bay Area. I had
Speaker 1: mustard and mayonnaise out and it was like two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, I believe, and you know, so it was like,
Speaker 1: but that's I was hitting big in the Midwest and
Speaker 1: the South with that song, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so that was the beginning of our relationship for
Speaker 1: us being good, you know, knowing that we can make
Speaker 1: good music together. And uh, and our friendship became closer,
Speaker 1: you know, and he stayed solid, man. And so two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, Uh, my distribution deal was up with
Speaker 1: Jive Records, and so I was like, I asked God,
Speaker 1: you know what should I do? And he a voice
Speaker 1: came to me like call Little John, Like call Little John,
Speaker 1: and I hit him on the two way pages. Back
Speaker 1: then we had two way pages. I say, call me, man,
Speaker 1: I'm out of my deal. Let's talk. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was like, you out of your deal?
Speaker 1: He said. I say yeah. He say, uh, he say, man,
Speaker 1: let me call my people. I'm gonna call you right back.
Speaker 1: He called me back within the Lisa hour, and all
Speaker 1: his people agreed, you know, all all the bm E staff,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so he was like,
Speaker 1: he said, they're ready to do it. Send me, send
Speaker 1: me your lawyer a contact, right And that's when I
Speaker 1: did a deal with with Little John and bm ME
Speaker 1: click and my my my career, and you know, my
Speaker 1: career just started all over again. More, it wasn't over
Speaker 1: because I was still I was still popping. The attention
Speaker 1: wasn't on the West coast. So all that time, the
Speaker 1: attention wasn't on the West coast, mainly the Bay area.
Speaker 1: The attention wasn't on the Bay Area. So I'm holding
Speaker 1: on like a hub cap in the fast Land right right,
Speaker 1: And so you know, like I say, if you just
Speaker 1: keep playing your position, staying solid, great things happen. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Man, You know, I'll go. I'll
Speaker 1: go to the studio and stank on your studio which
Speaker 1: is Outcasts Studio, and you got full Scrappy and all
Speaker 1: all the young generation be and me clicking there working
Speaker 1: in different studios and whatnot. And uh, they all showing
Speaker 1: me love, were kicking and were drinking the whole while.
Speaker 1: And it was time for me to work the next day.
Speaker 1: So I go in there and I get out and
Speaker 1: I you know, I put me and Scrappy and we
Speaker 1: did some songs together, and all of us we all
Speaker 1: worked together, and I just went full fledged ahead and
Speaker 1: knocked it down because they got me like a It
Speaker 1: wasn't an air b it wasn't Airbnb, but they've rented
Speaker 1: out apartment that I was living in for three weeks
Speaker 1: and I took advantage that three weeks in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: I went crazy every day in the studio. Our sessions
Speaker 1: were starting at twelve at night all the way to
Speaker 1: twelve in afternoon. You feel me right, And then we
Speaker 1: head over to busy bees. Are used to get back
Speaker 1: You know what I used to. I used to get
Speaker 1: to the turkey, the turkey turkey. Oh you gotta ta
Speaker 1: mother turkey wings. Hell yeah. And I love smother chicken
Speaker 1: anything smother go good with me, right, I'm with it. Right,
Speaker 1: So that shit out, man, we did it. And then
Speaker 1: he took us to so He'll say, so one day
Speaker 1: we went to Beautifuls. He said, we're going the BEAUTIFULS.
Speaker 1: I say, Beautifuls. He said, yeah, watch thing it's called Beautifuls.
Speaker 1: And he was like, we went there and they had
Speaker 1: whiting fish, you know fish, They had grits with cheese
Speaker 1: in it and all that. They had all the salmon
Speaker 1: salmon cakes tunic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey bro, you
Speaker 1: know I told you man, that's just kind of stuff
Speaker 1: I rock with, you know, So we're not that, He'll say, Man,
Speaker 1: took today. We're gonna do all up tempers, do all
Speaker 1: all temple songs. I've said this before, but I just
Speaker 1: loved John's uh you know, he was my tutor. He
Speaker 1: taught me. He was like, you know what, that's dope
Speaker 1: right there. Take that ad lip off. That's why my
Speaker 1: Guttle Report Card album was so great because it wasn't
Speaker 1: overly done like you know, I'm so creative. I'm all
Speaker 1: over the place even here. Make me do it and
Speaker 1: in me being open minded. No, this man got hella
Speaker 1: hits up under me. I'm open minded. So I'm listening
Speaker 1: to him. He like, you know what, I can put
Speaker 1: a drop in that song right there in that verse
Speaker 1: and make it sound dope. But I think you can
Speaker 1: come better, and I'm open minded. I just come better.
Speaker 1: I just come a new And that's the problem. I'm
Speaker 1: not bigheaded. I'm I'm you know, I'm open minded. If
Speaker 1: you listen, if you're listening and learn, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Things work out the best. Bro. We made
Speaker 1: that motherfucking album a classic. My getting report card with nothing.
Speaker 1: But I can sing a whole show. I can do
Speaker 1: a whole twenty minute segments show, twenty five minutes. I
Speaker 1: can do twenty five minutes to thirty minutes on just
Speaker 1: that album along. That's how many slaps it had, you know,
Speaker 1: from fucking you know, go harder, go home to you
Speaker 1: and that booty to tell me when the goal to
Speaker 1: back you hit it at the part when you ain't
Speaker 1: found it, you hit the part with that one. Come on,
Speaker 1: you can cry. He dread from shake Off. I ain't
Speaker 1: got I'm growing up. I was just talking about I
Speaker 1: wasn't really gonna grow none until I said this shit, hello, funny,
Speaker 1: let me just fuck with it. Did because everybody in
Speaker 1: the Bay Area had dreadlocks. Yeah, not one person, not
Speaker 1: one rapper, everybody, right, you feel me? So all I'm
Speaker 1: doing is adapting to my soil. So what was so
Speaker 1: beautiful about it is I had high fee movement over
Speaker 1: here I was part of. I participated in and I
Speaker 1: also participated in the snap movement. We'll snap your fingers
Speaker 1: with Little John New you know what it's on and
Speaker 1: so forth. So I was just it was just a
Speaker 1: great space. And I never let up. Like I tell people,
Speaker 1: anytime you get you you know you got some momentum.
Speaker 1: You not take your foot off the gas man, keep
Speaker 1: your foot on the gas stop playing. Then that you
Speaker 1: and that booty, that's about that. I feel like that too,
Speaker 1: that you're better give me your mother something. Come on,
Speaker 1: they don't even know that's Candy from from the Atlanta
Speaker 1: house Wives on the on the hook? Oh is it?
Speaker 1: That's her? That's her singing and everything that's her, that's
Speaker 1: her on their teeth pain. So she came in and
Speaker 1: did her part in the middle. She in the visit
Speaker 1: India and everything. Candy, that's that's the folks right there.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Candy Burry. I didn't know that. Ye, she
Speaker 1: got the platinum. She got the platinum thing on the
Speaker 1: wall and everything. Answered the show that one day she
Speaker 1: showed it to you on the show. Say take me
Speaker 1: over to that platinum you and that booty motherfucking up
Speaker 1: or I a approved album, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Platinum certified. You know what I'm saying. That thing with
Speaker 1: night You mentioned that you went to Grambling, Now I
Speaker 1: mean Grambling Louisiana. Graham Lewis in Louisiana. You're from the
Speaker 1: West coast. Did you did you feel a lot of
Speaker 1: players because they they they ain't help, they ain't on
Speaker 1: they went on game, you know, like like Falty Water
Speaker 1: being from the Bay. Yeah. I was looking at the
Speaker 1: old pictures the Bensworth sent me the other day, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the California picture. It had like the
Speaker 1: California car, all the cats from California, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, I see I see waldro Binsworth,
Speaker 1: the third junior. I see be Legit and I see
Speaker 1: myself and I'm looking at we all in the we
Speaker 1: all on one side. And I sent to my wife,
Speaker 1: I say, who who who? Who the most swagged out
Speaker 1: motherfucker's on here? And she circled it because I sent
Speaker 1: the picture to her text. He just and it was us, right,
Speaker 1: It was me be Legit and Water were so motherfucking
Speaker 1: you could tell we were from the Bay. You feel
Speaker 1: me like you could just tell were swagging. I can
Speaker 1: show you up because I could send that picture to you,
Speaker 1: you would be like, oh, the motherfucker's yeah, you can
Speaker 1: tell that. You can see the difference, right, We was
Speaker 1: gamed up. It's something about us, right, But yeah. I
Speaker 1: went to Gramlin and we met a lot of good friends.
Speaker 1: To this day, I was just talking to my boy,
Speaker 1: Reggie Pugh. You know what I'm saying, out of out
Speaker 1: out of Oakland. You know what I'm saying. He from
Speaker 1: Oakland and uh and uh he was solid all the
Speaker 1: way through and he and my friend to this day,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that he Uh, we met
Speaker 1: all kinds of people from the Bear, from Epa, Marin
Speaker 1: City all and we all clicked up. We had our
Speaker 1: Valleo partners out there too. I went out there with
Speaker 1: three with two Valleo casts, my man DII Davis and
Speaker 1: Brand Jones, which is being legit right, Well, we all
Speaker 1: drove out there and and and be legits yellow Mustang
Speaker 1: five point zero hit fifty. You feel me right, you
Speaker 1: slid out there, you know. So it was we met
Speaker 1: a lot of good people and we kind of like
Speaker 1: we like I said, we already got that cup. I
Speaker 1: had My great grandma, my granddaddy's mama, stayed out there
Speaker 1: and we stayed at her house for three days. And
Speaker 1: rust In, Louisiana, Yeah, I know exactly where the yep.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of teammates that are in the
Speaker 1: NFL that played that were from Rustin, right, and that's
Speaker 1: only twenty minutes from Grambland, you know. And so we
Speaker 1: stayed at her house for three days. The reason is
Speaker 1: she she worked at this cafe in Rustin. Huh. We
Speaker 1: have a take. I think a lot of taken in
Speaker 1: rustus think it is yep, it is yep. And so Granny,
Speaker 1: so my great great grandmama, she stayed. She she she
Speaker 1: would go to work every morning and she said, y'all
Speaker 1: just make sure y'all clean behind y'allself. She had, she said,
Speaker 1: here's the food. She had a freezer, the kind in
Speaker 1: the ground, I mean on the like, Yeah, the food
Speaker 1: she had, and she had a regular frigerator. She had
Speaker 1: hall a good ass food in there. I think she
Speaker 1: just went and bought it for us. It was called
Speaker 1: it's called a deep freezer, a deep freezer. And it
Speaker 1: was food. It was it was. It was food I've
Speaker 1: never seen in my life. Like it was chicken patties
Speaker 1: fried already that you could just put in the oven,
Speaker 1: and like it was you know, you gotta remember, I'm
Speaker 1: a teenager. I'm eighteen, you know what I'm like. We're
Speaker 1: looking at it. And she her house was spotless, and
Speaker 1: she lived by herself. Oh she was like seventy seven
Speaker 1: back then. You know what I'm saying. She'd live to
Speaker 1: be ninety four. You know what I'm saying. But anyway,
Speaker 1: we waited, And the reason we stayed at her house
Speaker 1: for three days is because we had to wait for
Speaker 1: our dorm rooms. We had to make the register, getting
Speaker 1: our classes all at right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We didn't want to mess up, so we we we
Speaker 1: we wanted to get there a couple of days early.
Speaker 1: So that's how we did it. And so I it
Speaker 1: was so many people that we connected with out there,
Speaker 1: and the New Orleans casts and Luisia, the New Orleans
Speaker 1: and Baton Rouge cast. We had became close. A guy
Speaker 1: by the name of Jubilee, very known out there in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. You know what, man Alfred Peyton, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Alfred Peyton. Me and him got into
Speaker 1: it back in the days, and me and him solid
Speaker 1: like this. Now I got nothing beloved respect for him.
Speaker 1: He picked me up at the airport right before the plandemic,
Speaker 1: you know, for the Balu Classic and all that stuff
Speaker 1: last year, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: we but we all became close. And then it's like
Speaker 1: there's so many other people from not rappers, but people
Speaker 1: from Florida, Detroit, all these casts. You meet all them
Speaker 1: people and you stay close with him for many years.
Speaker 1: So anyway, make a long story short of short story long.
Speaker 1: I didn't feel out of place, but I did. I
Speaker 1: will tell you this. I used to have a perm
Speaker 1: before I before I went to Grammar. All my way
Speaker 1: up there, I cut my perm in Arizona, you know,
Speaker 1: because my wife went to beauty school too, and so
Speaker 1: I used to do my perm but I cut it
Speaker 1: all my way up there. I was a skinny dude,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was on my shoulder. I used
Speaker 1: to call the Lord Jesus Perl because it used to hang.
Speaker 1: It used to dangle right here. Yeah. Boy, Dean was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know we're going to go to the South. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't know if they could be thinking. You know,
Speaker 1: we know we West Coast. We know we play a player,
Speaker 1: and when we don't know how they're gonna be thinking
Speaker 1: about you, you know, with a permit, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought about it. I was like,
Speaker 1: and I hadn't had my hair done in a couple
Speaker 1: of days, a few days, so, you know, because my
Speaker 1: wife would do it. This shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So all I shit, Man, I might want to cut
Speaker 1: my ship. Man go to Arizona. We stopped out of Motel.
Speaker 1: I broke it down Motel. I said, man, let's let's
Speaker 1: get some clippers. Man, let's go, let me cut this ship.
Speaker 1: I cut that ship ball. When I went to Grammar,
Speaker 1: I go to the I get in line to get
Speaker 1: my food when I'm up there, I had I had
Speaker 1: an ear ring in my ears. I didn't have too
Speaker 1: I had one in the left ear because back then
Speaker 1: you could only have it in your left ear right.
Speaker 1: You know you can't. I mean, it was to each
Speaker 1: his own, but that was that was a proper thing
Speaker 1: to do with put in your left ear right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So even with me having it
Speaker 1: in my left ear, I'm in the lady did the
Speaker 1: older lady in the in the line for the lunch
Speaker 1: and to serve you the food. She was she was
Speaker 1: whispering to the other lady and be legit, and all
Speaker 1: of them heard the things like she was like looking
Speaker 1: at boy, looking at looking at the ring, boy look
Speaker 1: at I'm like, boy, them o them old ladies, them
Speaker 1: old the old heads. They did not like seeing guys
Speaker 1: with ear ring being left ear right ear or either
Speaker 1: or they no, sir, they didn't like it, bro, they
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I still kept my mother fucking ear
Speaker 1: ring in my left ear. I was like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: I had too much respect. I wouldn't go say that
Speaker 1: to her, but in my mind, I'm like, fuck you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just I just I
Speaker 1: just ignored it, you know, just kept it rushing you.
Speaker 1: For what I try to tell people about black college
Speaker 1: because I went to an HBCU and went to Savannah
Speaker 1: State University. Yeah, there's nothing like homecoming because it's like
Speaker 1: a gigantic family reunion. You got people, you got classes
Speaker 1: coming back to class of sixty eight, the class of
Speaker 1: seventy eight, the class of nineteen eighty two, they're coming
Speaker 1: back and eight we family, the step shows, the walk
Speaker 1: across the yard. Being in my mind, I was in
Speaker 1: my mind, I was a cute dog. In my mind.
Speaker 1: I used to hang with them dudes. They was cool. Hey.
Speaker 1: And you know on the yard you got you got
Speaker 1: the Greek and the saw rob hearts, they got him,
Speaker 1: got him sitting in there, they're doing their step thing,
Speaker 1: they practicing, getting ready for the step shows that we
Speaker 1: can for I tell people, ain't nothing like that experience.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade that experience for anything me. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: chade trade. I'm so glad I went because I wasn't
Speaker 1: playing on going to college. Being legit said he's gonna go,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna go to there. You
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying I'm going to You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I went. It was the best thing
Speaker 1: ever I can ever do. Bro It talks you. It
Speaker 1: teach you how to be a man too. You know
Speaker 1: you're watching your own stuff. You gotta go, you know, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know the wash house
Speaker 1: is further down on the campus, way down there. You
Speaker 1: gotta get your bag. And you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The whole who what, Yeah, we was doing it. I
Speaker 1: hadn't master p on yesterday. And he talked about you,
Speaker 1: and he made special reference to your uncle, Saint Charles.
Speaker 1: He talked about how you and him and especially your
Speaker 1: uncle Saint Charles hooked him onto the game, to the
Speaker 1: distribution deal. Talk to talk to us about that time
Speaker 1: in your life and in Pea's life, about what your
Speaker 1: uncle did for you, for you, for him, and how
Speaker 1: that was the start of He said, that's the start
Speaker 1: of my business. Right there, when I started thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can do this, he afford to doing it. I
Speaker 1: can do it, and you know, and my uncle, it's
Speaker 1: a trip because he taught. He wasn't just he was
Speaker 1: a guy I always looked up to as a kid.
Speaker 1: It used to be a show called Creature Feature. And he,
Speaker 1: my grand my my uncle knows how to paint, draw everything,
Speaker 1: Like when I go to my grandmama house, him and
Speaker 1: my uncle Bruce, which is his brother, alright, p Bruce,
Speaker 1: he would they would have drawings on they wall. So
Speaker 1: I used to draw my own wall at home at night,
Speaker 1: drawings like cartoons, everything that, because I can draw, my
Speaker 1: daddy can draw. Hella good daddy painting all that. So
Speaker 1: I got that good. I got it from both sides
Speaker 1: of the family just then the third so I was.
Speaker 1: I knew that my uncle was special because he would
Speaker 1: do sculptures. He did sculptures like clay sculptures of like
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a female, a male or whatever,
Speaker 1: monsters like he one of them, how dudes that could
Speaker 1: be in Hollywood making a making a mask for movies
Speaker 1: and stuff, right right, yeah, exactly. And so he they
Speaker 1: was like Uncle Chucky, Uncle Chucky gonna be on us
Speaker 1: Creature Feature. It was a big deal on TV. We
Speaker 1: stayed up late. Mims had to stay up late because
Speaker 1: it used to come on like eleven thirty at night.
Speaker 1: You know, we're supposed to be in bed at nine
Speaker 1: a m. As little kids. You know, I mean nine PM,
Speaker 1: right eight o'clock when you're in third grade and fourth grade,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So mims of to stay up there not to see
Speaker 1: Uncle Chucky. We Saint Charles, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And we was like, wow, he on Creature Feature. Creature
Speaker 1: Feature played all the old movies and stuff. Right, make
Speaker 1: a long story short. We knew he was so the
Speaker 1: specially we had record. He had a couple of records
Speaker 1: in the seventies and he did it on his own independent.
Speaker 1: You know. It didn't blow blow blow, but his experience
Speaker 1: rubbed off on us. He taught us. He taught us
Speaker 1: so when we came in the game. I used to
Speaker 1: always tell him, it's a little kid, Uncle Chucky, Uncle Chucky.
Speaker 1: I want to make a song. We want to make songs.
Speaker 1: Me and d Shot we would always say, we want
Speaker 1: to make records, like a little kid. He always do
Speaker 1: this with them with him, you know, with the money.
Speaker 1: So why we you know, it was that day came
Speaker 1: and he really you know, there was the MVP record.
Speaker 1: He did the artwork on it. You know, this before
Speaker 1: Final Cup, just because just before what you call that
Speaker 1: shit photoshop, photoshop and all that. He just knew how
Speaker 1: I knew what to do. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We went, we got our records pressed up over at
Speaker 1: Rainbow Records. You know, this was Vinyl. This is eighty
Speaker 1: eight when we came out with that record. And we
Speaker 1: would always put our record up a year before. So
Speaker 1: if we did an album that can that we're done
Speaker 1: with and it's out, it comes out. Say, for instance,
Speaker 1: right now it's twenty twenty one, it's March of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, we would put twenty twenty two on there
Speaker 1: bro Because the reason why this was our method, because
Speaker 1: we wanted whoever catch it eight months later, because we
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna get eight to nine, ten months later.
Speaker 1: We knew it's gonna take forever to get to. You
Speaker 1: would say Atlanta, Nebraska. You know what I'm saying me, Uh,
Speaker 1: Texas are Cana or you know, Oklahoma or whatever is
Speaker 1: going to We do everything with snail mail back then,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We were sitting there through ups,
Speaker 1: you know ground right, You know what I'm yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So by the time everybody started hit getting hit to it,
Speaker 1: it was gonna take that long, and we was prepared
Speaker 1: for us, and we were smart like that. But my uncle,
Speaker 1: I tell you so, Pete, you know, he was doing
Speaker 1: his thing too, but he was learning as he going.
Speaker 1: He's seeing us getting down. He's having a lot of success,
Speaker 1: and you know, and Pete was working hard like he
Speaker 1: he everybody rock winning, but a lot of people didn't
Speaker 1: because it was so many great rappers in the Bay Area,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And Pete was really spending game.
Speaker 1: Pete really Pete really from the streets, not just New
Speaker 1: Order streets, Richmond streets, Bay Area streets, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And he wasn't gonna suck out here, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Nobody tried to play him or
Speaker 1: nothing like that. He was He was just a solid
Speaker 1: dude and he had that motivation. God gifted him with
Speaker 1: that and he and he went to Saint Charles, and
Speaker 1: Saint Charles say here, this is what you do. He listened, man,
Speaker 1: and man put his own brain together with how he
Speaker 1: wanted to work out his plan, getting the New York,
Speaker 1: getting the others, the Deep South the sticks to participate
Speaker 1: with Hi. Miss Well, he got all the West Coast
Speaker 1: cast together. Yeah, West cloth Fabo. He's like he did
Speaker 1: his thing, bro, you know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 1: salute him for that. And my uncle say, Charles, I
Speaker 1: really salute him because me and d Shot we was
Speaker 1: talking the other day and my brother we were just
Speaker 1: talking about the other day, like, man, that dude really
Speaker 1: taught us a lot, like kind of become me in
Speaker 1: like get bank, get bank accounts and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, like like really you know,
Speaker 1: fictitious names and dba's and get business licenses and like
Speaker 1: taught us a lot. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: taught us how to be entrepreneurs. And I'm glad that
Speaker 1: I cherished him to this day. I give him Miss Roses.
Speaker 1: He picked up the phone anytime and uh that's my
Speaker 1: mom and brother you. Uh. He said that one thing
Speaker 1: that you taught that Saint Charles taught him, it's about
Speaker 1: distributor is banking on yourself. He always say the babe,
Speaker 1: they push independence and the things he said that he thought,
Speaker 1: and you can correct me if I'm wrong. He says
Speaker 1: he believed independence teaches you hunger. He says, because it's
Speaker 1: only gonna go as far as you take it. He said.
Speaker 1: Sometime Guy's team want to do these three six and
Speaker 1: then you know, you get the big money up front
Speaker 1: and all that, but you get lazy because you got
Speaker 1: them doing the work. But when the thing is like
Speaker 1: when you you know you're gonna eat, but they gonna
Speaker 1: eat every time you eat, as opposed to the independence
Speaker 1: you eating the lining share. They gonna eat what you leave,
Speaker 1: not eat before you do. You know it, bro And
Speaker 1: he telling the truth because you know it's people. No
Speaker 1: disrespect to nobody, but it's people have been on major
Speaker 1: labels for many years and they kind of you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say, you got babysitting,
Speaker 1: but they don't know no other way. When it comes
Speaker 1: to like once the deal is over or whatever, they'll
Speaker 1: know the other way because they never been independent. They
Speaker 1: never knew how. We had to do it. You know,
Speaker 1: we were coming to get We was in it by force,
Speaker 1: not by choice. It's good that force was good. We
Speaker 1: didn't have to We had to go get it on
Speaker 1: our own and becoming it and being independent, it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: It was a blessing in disguise. You feel what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 1: So do you know that made us be better hustlers,
Speaker 1: better men and appreciate it more? Like, right now, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: you know, plug anything, but I'm just telling you the truth.
Speaker 1: What I'm doing right now is just set okay the
Speaker 1: streets when I rap, right when I rap, when I
Speaker 1: came into the rap. Now I'll say, it's the same hustle,
Speaker 1: just different products, right, just liquor right here, same hustle,
Speaker 1: different products. I sell a dope, beverages, bro And I'm
Speaker 1: doing it independently. I'm doing it the long way, but
Speaker 1: it's the right way. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the last laugh. God will them. First
Speaker 1: of all, the thing is, I'm doing it independently. So
Speaker 1: each state requires different credentials and different things you gotta
Speaker 1: do to get your license. Some states are controlled, some
Speaker 1: states are you know what I'm saying. You know, some
Speaker 1: states are easier to get you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like, this is what I'm doing, so God
Speaker 1: willing within the next twelve months, I'm most likely being
Speaker 1: about thirty seven states being the vendor of record, my
Speaker 1: own boss. No nothing. You feel what I'm saying. Nobody
Speaker 1: the answer to I sign the checks, I call the shots. Everything.
Speaker 1: It's the long way, but it's the right way. And
Speaker 1: that's what he did independently. That's what we did independently.
Speaker 1: Sick with the records, no limit, suave House, so on
Speaker 1: and so forth, rap a lot, so many of the
Speaker 1: loose got walk on them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The whole ship like we can go on and on forever.
Speaker 1: You know you've been able to have a hit in
Speaker 1: every decade rappers, ball to every where to go, sprinkle
Speaker 1: me captain, save the whole choices. How do you enjoy
Speaker 1: the longevity that you've enjoyed? Man, I love it, bro
Speaker 1: I thank God for everything. And you know, like I say, uh,
Speaker 1: I figure you know you just keep the faith, be
Speaker 1: a good person, keep your eye on the ball. I
Speaker 1: love rapping, even if you know I'm an old man
Speaker 1: to something. I'm old man now, but I'm I don't
Speaker 1: not though you know what I'm saying. I'm my spirit
Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't. If I didn't tell you my age,
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't know. You probably know I'm probably about
Speaker 1: I'm probably a good forty two and you know, probably forty,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you looked at it and I
Speaker 1: tell you they want to day with you, you never know.
Speaker 1: I'm really my spirit and my my charisma and my
Speaker 1: the way I carry myself ain't no fifty no regular
Speaker 1: fifty three year old cat bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Like, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be young. I'm just just me. I promise myself when
Speaker 1: I I was young that when I get older, I'm
Speaker 1: not fair to be dressing hell of ancient and all
Speaker 1: that old bullshit. Man, I'm like this, you ain gonna
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna rock the stays with the real socks,
Speaker 1: I'm not. They gotta be clean, they got they gotta
Speaker 1: the jeans, gotta be a little uh, you know, slimmer
Speaker 1: at the bottom. They can't be all flared out. They
Speaker 1: can't wear no big britches. They ain't there right now.
Speaker 1: You gotta look at you can look fly. I see
Speaker 1: some motherfuckers that was flying the other day, Snoop posting
Speaker 1: them some old jess. They had the gray bears, but
Speaker 1: the niggas that they outfit was clean. They had to
Speaker 1: the jeans wasn't at the bottom that the jeans wasn't
Speaker 1: all flared out there was you know, they fitted, they
Speaker 1: had they had some dress shoes on them. Was flying.
Speaker 1: Fuck you know what I'm saying. And that's how you
Speaker 1: gotta be if you're gonna do it me. Fuck you
Speaker 1: got some of the Bay Area words? I mean, you
Speaker 1: feel me, you smell me for shit, me for show gas.
Speaker 1: How do you come up with these words? And then
Speaker 1: when you come up with them, you like because people
Speaker 1: that people still use them, people talk like that. But
Speaker 1: at the time that you're coming up with those words,
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna have the longevity that they're
Speaker 1: gonna have. Oh? I don't know, you know, I just man,
Speaker 1: just me. You know one thing about being from the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, it's a beautiful thing because you're surrounded by game.
Speaker 1: Look I just put that together. Being from the Bed's
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing because you're surrounded by game. You feel me,
Speaker 1: and and that's you know, and you got so much.
Speaker 1: You have so many people. I like the rock with
Speaker 1: the older the ogs, the older guys right, because they
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't been through it, they didn't seen it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They did it, they'd have
Speaker 1: been around it, and they can wake your game up
Speaker 1: way more like the og Like the young generation. A
Speaker 1: lot of them don't mind listening to me when I
Speaker 1: talk to them, right they would be like, do good things, uncle,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. That made my day right there, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know. The ones who want to be silent and
Speaker 1: listen to it, they listen. So being in the bay
Speaker 1: I learned, you know, and me being creative coming with stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, just coming with slang and all that all
Speaker 1: since I was a little youngster. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I used to read the dictionary, and I come with
Speaker 1: long words and all that stuff. A lot of these
Speaker 1: words and stuff I say, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: a lot of that shit, man, is really just from
Speaker 1: observing and observing the older older guys and then putting
Speaker 1: my putting you my way to cooking. But you had
Speaker 1: your flavor right like. But a lot of words just
Speaker 1: come from my brain right off. Tough I'm living to
Speaker 1: before we finished, I might come with a freshman out
Speaker 1: of theywear like I don't see that not nowhere, but
Speaker 1: theywear ofwear. He just came out of neywhear with that.
Speaker 1: You feel me use you're the first one I heard
Speaker 1: when they started when and people say, oh, but that
Speaker 1: thing slapped you, the first one I ever heard used
Speaker 1: that word when they're talking about something is good. First
Speaker 1: rapper ever screaming slap ever in life. Whenever you say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's slap, that's slapping. First rapper ever ever see it
Speaker 1: dead that rapper, Yes sir, yes sir. And there's so
Speaker 1: many other ones, you know, and I trip on, you know,
Speaker 1: I see I see some some casts are you know,
Speaker 1: the word broccoli the other day calling we broccoli and
Speaker 1: it was like they was given they was crediting other rappers.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's okay. They don't know, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's okay because the kids, I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I just I just know that some people wasn't even
Speaker 1: born when I was. When I even when I had to,
Speaker 1: I had a song I'll called broccoli and like nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety ninety eight it was actually called broccoli. Smoking that
Speaker 1: broccoli Now it takes me out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's how the hood went. We use a cameo slap.
Speaker 1: I had older some sugar singing on that thing. And
Speaker 1: the song is called Broccoli, and it was on my
Speaker 1: double album which is almost platinum right now, way past gold,
Speaker 1: and it was called the album is called Element of Surprise.
Speaker 1: First rapper talking about apply pressure surprise, the element Apply
Speaker 1: Pressure Tycoon nineteen ninety five, the intro to a platinum
Speaker 1: album in a major way. What's happening, folks, It ain't
Speaker 1: none but me. You're tycoon talking potting to play a
Speaker 1: pot in the eight four, I said, tycoon talking Pottinger
Speaker 1: rewind it when y'all get a chance. Nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: I was screaming that ship as a rapper. No other
Speaker 1: rapper was screaming. And before that I said it, and
Speaker 1: my brother them said, and everybody that was with us
Speaker 1: screamed it on the alms. So it's like I didn't
Speaker 1: make up the word tycoons in the dictionary, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking about ship that rappers don't say. That became very
Speaker 1: popular and I was the first one screaming it, and
Speaker 1: we go on and on forever. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Choppers calling calling pistols, choppers, rushing, first one talking about choppers.
Speaker 1: First rapper ever talking about Choppers, triple Beam scales, everything
Speaker 1: related to the soil. Trust me, Yola unit's calling calling
Speaker 1: keys un it's you feel me? Yeah, Man, I ain't
Speaker 1: put an extras on it. This ain't no cat. This
Speaker 1: ain't this ain't uh, this ain't this, ain't this ain't nowhere.
Speaker 1: It's no cap bro't no cat bro for really, lets
Speaker 1: talking about Let's talk about somelf. And I know you
Speaker 1: really really love and you've been You was rocking with
Speaker 1: this team when it wasn't popular, your Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 1: I see you sit in courtside a lot. What did
Speaker 1: it feel like when you guys finally won the championship
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, because I know that was a long
Speaker 1: time coming, because there were some lean years in the
Speaker 1: forty when I was watching Matt Barnes and and uh
Speaker 1: Steven and uh and uh and uh and uh who
Speaker 1: else was it Matt barn Stephen Baron Davis, Baron b d.
Speaker 1: When I was watching it, I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: we might get one, We might get one. We might
Speaker 1: go stay out there playing at street ball on him.
Speaker 1: Because to me, them dudes a street cat in the NBA.
Speaker 1: I love them dudes. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were gonna get one, and so I you know,
Speaker 1: even before that, you know, I love the Warriors, of course,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, we get closer, and you know, I
Speaker 1: just used to hate when the powers that be of
Speaker 1: over the Warriors would always once we get a good player,
Speaker 1: that trade them or something I get there, go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, damn. So now that we got
Speaker 1: our new powers that being there, I love them. They're
Speaker 1: doing what they can do, and they we've been there
Speaker 1: that thing for the last five years when they went
Speaker 1: with some of the best times of so many people
Speaker 1: lives from the Bay Area, you know, just being there,
Speaker 1: whether you're in the nose bleeds, whether you're in between,
Speaker 1: whether you courtside, it was just so just great. I
Speaker 1: mean five times in a row, bro and they won
Speaker 1: three out of them things you feel me and be
Speaker 1: courtside me being ain't nothing like courtside experience. You know,
Speaker 1: you rubbish orders with the rubbing shoulders, with the big
Speaker 1: willies in order to get and that's nothing you networking,
Speaker 1: I hadn't met so many people there, uh that that
Speaker 1: I've had opportunities to break bread with just from being
Speaker 1: there and being a good person, not being fake, just
Speaker 1: being a good person, being a people's person, hobnobbing, shaking hands,
Speaker 1: kissing babies, hugging folks, networking. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: stuff like that and just being a good dude, get
Speaker 1: you a long ways. And that's what I did. And
Speaker 1: ain't no experience like course side when you can be
Speaker 1: sitting I said, right by the bench. It's times, I said,
Speaker 1: several times, I said right like I'm part of the bench,
Speaker 1: like I'm on the team. In my mind, I'm an
Speaker 1: NBA player too. I was, Okay, you're a Warrior fan,
Speaker 1: You're a Warre fanatic, and you know all the players,
Speaker 1: give me your mouth rushmore players will rig Bass, Steph
Speaker 1: b d, Clay Thompson, Katie, Chris Muther and Nate Thurman,
Speaker 1: Dramond Greeney. Give me your mout rushmore, your four best
Speaker 1: players in Warrior's history. Okay, uh, I would have to say, uh,
Speaker 1: Rick Berry Okay. I would have to say uh Steff
Speaker 1: of course, yep, I would have to say Clay Okay.
Speaker 1: I would definitely have that's a trip. And because they oh,
Speaker 1: I would have to say, I would have to I
Speaker 1: also have to say, well, Chamberler, for sure they do that.
Speaker 1: That's impossible to do. I would have to say, I mean,
Speaker 1: not say it. That's it. You want to get poor?
Speaker 1: How many would I say it? With all? I say,
Speaker 1: you got Will, you got Stealth, you got Clay, and
Speaker 1: you got rick Berry. That's not bad. That's not bad.
Speaker 1: That's not bad. It's plenty more. But that's not bad
Speaker 1: at all. I remember they had Robert Parrish and I
Speaker 1: was mad when they traded him and he became a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. He went over to a Green team.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But I was like, man, he became became
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Man, yeah, Robert Parish. Like I
Speaker 1: just hate when they used to trade all the good
Speaker 1: players like that so quick, you know. But that but
Speaker 1: now they got new ownership and everything, and everything is
Speaker 1: much better. We just want a lot of injuries. That's
Speaker 1: all that's been messing us up. When you see courtside,
Speaker 1: are you doing a Drake? Are you trash talking? Are
Speaker 1: you just sitting watching the game, because you know, Drake
Speaker 1: be on the Drake be on courtside, and Drake be
Speaker 1: talking trash be talking crazy to be getting the ball.
Speaker 1: I only talk big Bronco. When it's like a Drake,
Speaker 1: a Travis Scott or somebody like that that's there and
Speaker 1: they and their team is playing us, that's when I
Speaker 1: talk big ship to them. Yeah, yeah, what's happening? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know I'm oh man, one thing, I'm
Speaker 1: a master at getting in that head. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Picking you know, you don't talk to the player.
Speaker 1: If you don't talk to the opposing team player, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I leave them because I like them. I like a
Speaker 1: lot of them. I would say a couple of things
Speaker 1: to them, but not like I like I shake the
Speaker 1: hand of then like Bronnie Lebron. I love Lebron. I
Speaker 1: try because he fucking he would killer on the court
Speaker 1: and he just you know, he's so dope, like the
Speaker 1: game is if not, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like I kind of like Brady, you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna missed that he'd be on the you know, shooting
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I love dude, man, and
Speaker 1: when he when when people like that come off the court,
Speaker 1: I shake their hand, you know, and shit like that.
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to Uh, it was one of
Speaker 1: them games, who's the what's the boy? What's the boy?
Speaker 1: Didn't play with a play with U Durant now all yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I say, man, I've seen him after one of them
Speaker 1: basketball games, man, And we was in like the hallway
Speaker 1: after when we played. When we played, uh, I think
Speaker 1: we played Cleveland and I think I was a Cleveland
Speaker 1: or something or either it was somewhere we was at.
Speaker 1: It was it was a final stough. Yeah, he got
Speaker 1: they got us. It was a game that they played
Speaker 1: that they I say, May, I ain't gonna even like
Speaker 1: he was just sitting there just chilling, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I say, man, I'm gonna even like, Man, you dope
Speaker 1: his foot, bro. You know I came. I don't like
Speaker 1: you dope as fuck. Bro. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you just gotta give it up to certain people because
Speaker 1: you know, ain't no need to be mad at other
Speaker 1: teams and other players when you gotta realize that all
Speaker 1: these all these dudes kick it together. They vacation together
Speaker 1: and everything. They friends. When I played baseball and football,
Speaker 1: we would be enemies on the court or on the
Speaker 1: I mean when we'd be we'd be enemies on the
Speaker 1: on the out, in the baseball in the baseball diamond
Speaker 1: right on the football field. But when we get off
Speaker 1: of that thing, we findly go eat some pieza or
Speaker 1: something together. Right two separteen, you know the opposite team.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's all these cats. They're
Speaker 1: all cool with each other and everything, no matter what
Speaker 1: how aggressive they look on the court like they don't
Speaker 1: like each other. Everybody be vacation and everything together. Man,
Speaker 1: they all contact Raiders of forty nine ers. I would
Speaker 1: say forty nine ers a thought. I never said anything
Speaker 1: ever bad about the Raiders. I'm from valet Jo. I'm
Speaker 1: not from Oakland, not for San Francisco, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm thirty minutes from Oakland and like fifty
Speaker 1: minutes from Frisco. But I am Northern California Bay Area.
Speaker 1: You know you gotta be so you got. I tried
Speaker 1: to and then my all my cousins and everybody. I
Speaker 1: tried to like the Raiders and the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: because I grew up on Dave Casper, Jim Plunkett, I
Speaker 1: grew up on Jerry Rice and Steve Joe Montana, Steve
Speaker 1: Young and them, Merton Hanks and them. I had neighbors
Speaker 1: that stayed in my neighborhood. I had Alright pe Chester Mclock.
Speaker 1: I had Darrel Russell. Darrel Russell stayed in my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: like literally walking dis is around the corner. They all
Speaker 1: stayed in my neighborhood. I had then Danni Stubblefield stay
Speaker 1: fort houses down from me. I had Murden Hanks stayed right.
Speaker 1: There's these forty nines, Ricky Watters, I had all of them.
Speaker 1: So I would go sometime. I would They would invite
Speaker 1: me to the game, So I'll go to a Raider
Speaker 1: game and I would go. But I would have my
Speaker 1: my parent, my main team forty nine ers, So I
Speaker 1: had forty nine a gear on. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That people wasn't really tripping, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like I don't have nothing against the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and no one ever on the internet can never say
Speaker 1: that I said fuck the Raiders this day and the
Speaker 1: third no matter how bad they say it about me.
Speaker 1: They want me to be a Raider fan. But I
Speaker 1: had to pick a side a long time ago because
Speaker 1: my cousin and all the Raider fans, Rick Rock and
Speaker 1: all of them casts. They was like, you gotta pick
Speaker 1: a side, and I was like, I want to roll
Speaker 1: with the whole Bay Area package. There was not This
Speaker 1: is twenty years ago. They said you gotta pick a side.
Speaker 1: I say, man, all right, fucked y'all there, I'm going.
Speaker 1: Forty nine is for lock. Hey. I want to get
Speaker 1: you out of your different fort and let me ask
Speaker 1: your question. I need your mouth rushmore rappers all overall
Speaker 1: in your mouth, rushmore callie rappers. I like that, So
Speaker 1: I want. I want the great the fourth greatest rappers
Speaker 1: East Coast, West Coast five. I don't care. I need four, okay, alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: wow wow wild wow yeah, all right, you want me
Speaker 1: to go with the fourth greatest, the four greatest, I want.
Speaker 1: I won't fartiest four greatest rappers. I switch it up
Speaker 1: every damn somebody. Every time somebody asked me, is that okay?
Speaker 1: Because it just happens like that, well do what you do? Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: tupacet of course. And I can't say me, right, no me,
Speaker 1: no me. You're gonna say you if you won't you okay, okay, see,
Speaker 1: because I'm in a whole nother category. I'm not a lyricist.
Speaker 1: I'm a gang spider right all right. But although I
Speaker 1: can bustle, although I can be a lyricist because I
Speaker 1: got bars, right, I got, I got got I ain't
Speaker 1: even took the bar example, I got I still got
Speaker 1: bars though, you feel me. But anyway, I would say, uh,
Speaker 1: tupac of course, Okay, that's what I got. Three more spots.
Speaker 1: I gotta say ice cube, man, I just had to
Speaker 1: do because you know, man, people, you know, no matter
Speaker 1: how much he rapped nowadays or whatever, he did enough
Speaker 1: in a few years that he got out that you
Speaker 1: gotta remember, he used to write for n W n WA.
Speaker 1: So just imagine all that shit, all that gas he had,
Speaker 1: you feel me? Yea. And so it's like I would
Speaker 1: have to say ice q uh. And I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: me out of this because I just want to be fair,
Speaker 1: even though I know I feel like I'm the greatest
Speaker 1: of all of them, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna leave it out that I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a you know, a good thing. So and this
Speaker 1: ain't I'm not taking a favorite to him, and I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about the people. Let me see, I would
Speaker 1: say I would say, I would say tupac ice Q.
Speaker 1: I would say, and I'm not saying this just because
Speaker 1: everybody else say it, because I'm a real motherfucker. The
Speaker 1: reason I'm gonna say Jigger, it's because if he, if
Speaker 1: he did a versus right now, everybody'd be like, Man, Okay,
Speaker 1: I forgot that motherfucker had that song right there. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yeah, damn, damn, I didn't know
Speaker 1: he had. I forgot because people get amnesia. They don't know.
Speaker 1: First of all, it ain't even just lyrics, and it
Speaker 1: ain't it ain't you know, platinum and go downs. It
Speaker 1: ain't that. It's what you're doing outside of the vocal
Speaker 1: booth as well, right, just skipping over real quick. That's
Speaker 1: why I consider Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer of all
Speaker 1: times because of what he did outside his his contributions
Speaker 1: to our culture and everything like that. There you feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, So anyway, with Jigger, it's just
Speaker 1: the innovation, the things that the inspiration, the things that
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's took hip hop to another page. You
Speaker 1: gotta put him in there, right, you got to. You know,
Speaker 1: you got you got ice cube, you got jay. Yep,
Speaker 1: got one more. I got one more. I got one
Speaker 1: more to be the greatest of all time. Yep. Man,
Speaker 1: that's a horrid one. That's a super hard one. Man,
Speaker 1: that's super hard because it's so many. I want to say,
Speaker 1: but I look at somebody got to get left. And
Speaker 1: look here, you didn't bring all your friends with you.
Speaker 1: You had to leave some of them, So you got
Speaker 1: to leave somebody off body. I want, you know, four?
Speaker 1: Why am I? You know it'd be tripping me out
Speaker 1: Because they say Mount Worshmore should be five. People don't
Speaker 1: seem like it should be fine. They're not adding another head.
Speaker 1: You're not going to South Dakoda and getting another head
Speaker 1: on that mount. You're not doing it. They're not doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh you know I can't and I want.
Speaker 1: I don't want to base this on who I grew
Speaker 1: up on, because I grew up on a lot of
Speaker 1: people that I love them. Feel like they're definitely top ten,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right, But I gotta keep
Speaker 1: him one down. Wow, I gotta say, Caun, I base
Speaker 1: this on what you did in your early days and
Speaker 1: what you're doing now far as other shit too. You
Speaker 1: can base it on whatever you want. This is Forty's list.
Speaker 1: This is not my list, is not anybody else. And
Speaker 1: if you want to debate, goes, go debate your cousin
Speaker 1: and the barber shall but this Faulty's list. I gotta tie. Okay,
Speaker 1: who you got? I would say Snoop Dogg and Biggie. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards Snoop because of Now, don't get it
Speaker 1: fucked up. If Biggie was still living. I really think
Speaker 1: that if Biggie had more albums because he was dopest
Speaker 1: the fuck and you knew the potential. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if he was still living and had more alms,
Speaker 1: I can I can base it up almost. Snoop got
Speaker 1: long jefty. Snoop is a walking icon. Snoop is into.
Speaker 1: He got his hands all over me, all over the
Speaker 1: place like space. You know what I'm saying, He's still here.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what I mean. It's I gotta I
Speaker 1: have to say Snoop on that. But don't get it
Speaker 1: fucked up. Biggie top tier for sure. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love nas as well. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But now we get into the top tens
Speaker 1: and shit like, you know what I'm saying. You said four,
Speaker 1: So I would have to say I would have to say,
Speaker 1: beside me, you know what I'm saying. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not in it. I take myself out of this, right.
Speaker 1: I would have to stay up. You got pop, you
Speaker 1: got cube, you got hold, and you got snoop. Yep,
Speaker 1: all right, give me Callie Rappers. I need four Calie Rappers.
Speaker 1: He forty two short ice cube and snoop. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it, That's Mount that's more. That's Mount Rushmore of
Speaker 1: the West Coast period. Sorry, well, a couple of more things,
Speaker 1: uh party, I've asked if they were alive versus Battle
Speaker 1: Prince Michael Jackson versus Battle Michael Jackson, who uh Mariah carry?
Speaker 1: If fans a bus y'all know that it's Michael bro
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man A Prince started playing that guitar,
Speaker 1: he gets on that piano, might start dancing and hitting
Speaker 1: that he get him that he starts. Hey, he started
Speaker 1: hitting at the door. He started when Doves cried, oh man, hey,
Speaker 1: Mike might come out there and get to play that.
Speaker 1: Billy Jean and all that shit. Boys and some of
Speaker 1: the some of the Jackson slaps. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Jackson five, Jackson five, Mariah carry Whitney Houston. Who that's
Speaker 1: a tough one. I'm gonna say the most effective to me,
Speaker 1: the greatest love of Whitney Houston music and make you
Speaker 1: cry Broye seriously. And then you get to thinking about
Speaker 1: all the stuff she went through and how she's not
Speaker 1: here no more Whitney Houston. Bro, I'll just keep it
Speaker 1: in one thou okay versus battle hold drink. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a real time. Oh yeah, I come on with it.
Speaker 1: Come on with it now, because you know Drake did
Speaker 1: in so little time with most do in a lifetime. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I put that together. I didn't even try to see
Speaker 1: how they did that. Oh my god, that's a tie.
Speaker 1: You can't have no birthing battle. You can't have no tie,
Speaker 1: no birthing battle. Bon it. Yes you can me and
Speaker 1: two shirt wasn't tie right. The big one that you
Speaker 1: were too short was collab it. How you gonna be
Speaker 1: joining it on this song? See, this is the thing
Speaker 1: with Jagger's tricky. That's what I'm saying, because really, I
Speaker 1: remember I was on the soundtrack with him. It was
Speaker 1: called Sprung Sprung Champ soundtrack. Jay Brown got me on
Speaker 1: that soundtrack and Jigger was on there as well with me.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety six, and I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember watching Jack, Tommy David and Jamie Fox. Right.
Speaker 1: I believe so, yep, yep, that that that soundtrack. I
Speaker 1: believe that I gotta go record in my hallway along
Speaker 1: with Booty Call and a whole bunch of other days,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I just knew Jigger.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I realized that the man put in
Speaker 1: a lot of See what it is is that dude.
Speaker 1: They start accepting hood ship on the radio when he
Speaker 1: came in and I and I ain't trying to shine
Speaker 1: a light back on me, but a lot of my
Speaker 1: ghetto anthems that people love, they wouldn't play it on
Speaker 1: the radio back then. They're beat back there. They're trying
Speaker 1: to category as my ship is a local, not blow
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's how they did me.
Speaker 1: It was like it was a fuck up. I gotta like,
Speaker 1: I say, I'm older and wiser, I can hold a
Speaker 1: grudge against a whole bunch of motherfuckers. How they used
Speaker 1: to do us in radio and now the beer he
Speaker 1: used to get done. But anyway, let's get back to Jigger.
Speaker 1: Jigger really got a body of music, man. A long
Speaker 1: list of his catalog is longer than train smoke man.
Speaker 1: People don't realize that. And it was big records that,
Speaker 1: you know, even his soil Ship was being able, was
Speaker 1: able to be played on the radio. And when you
Speaker 1: got all that and then you got you know, that
Speaker 1: machine behind you as well, and he don't get it
Speaker 1: fucked up. He started off, you know, independent. I think
Speaker 1: he was a priority record on the first one, reasonable
Speaker 1: the whole Wood Whop, you know, and he started off
Speaker 1: back with jazz jazzo. I remember that he used to
Speaker 1: be in the videos because I remember when he came
Speaker 1: back and resurfaced and then like like eighty nine nineties
Speaker 1: were jazz or somewhere around there. I see him there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, mant do look hello, familiar. So he started
Speaker 1: ninety three. I think he came with his one song
Speaker 1: and all the day was like, man, guys are like man,
Speaker 1: dude got a little bit of game about himself, like
Speaker 1: he kind of woke and shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, we're bagy niggas. So we we
Speaker 1: we we we look at who kind of laced up,
Speaker 1: who gained up? You feel me right? Okay? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We felt the same way about Biggie two.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like these niggas is different
Speaker 1: than he is. Gamed up, you know. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: make a long story short. In the short story long,
Speaker 1: I just think that Drake and So a little time.
Speaker 1: He did a lifetime of work, and that's gonna be heavy, man.
Speaker 1: But I really think that Jigga would win because Drake
Speaker 1: with Drake is a trip because Drake got slaps that
Speaker 1: was for the brons, but the dudes will love it too.
Speaker 1: And then he got that hip hop ship too, like
Speaker 1: Drake and Rap. I fuck with Drake heavy. That would
Speaker 1: be a good versus. I would love to see that
Speaker 1: that versus everybody? Would that up break the fucking internet.
Speaker 1: Little Kim with Nicki minaj Uh, I just wish. I
Speaker 1: love Little Kim, you know, every time we ever I
Speaker 1: even met her, she was always sweet, always cool. I
Speaker 1: loved her music, especially in the earlier days. I just
Speaker 1: haven't heard any new stuff lately, you know, I kind
Speaker 1: of look at you know. Sometimes I've been around youngsters
Speaker 1: and some of the youngsters they say, unk, you know,
Speaker 1: you keep it going, man, But you know a lot
Speaker 1: of the oh geez, they'd be trying to get at
Speaker 1: me and be like, man, y'all'll understand how we used
Speaker 1: to do it back then. And they was like, man,
Speaker 1: the answers are telling me, un I tell him, man,
Speaker 1: it ain't about what you used to do. It is
Speaker 1: what you're doing now. And you're keeping it going, you
Speaker 1: feel me. So it's about what you're doing now too
Speaker 1: as well. I'm not saying Little Kim ain't doing it,
Speaker 1: but Nicki, Nicki Minaj is more on the gas, like
Speaker 1: she's continuously opening out music and content like that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I and I respect them both,
Speaker 1: but I think on that one right now, like in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I think Nicky would win laugh Producers
Speaker 1: of Producers Doctor dre Quincy Jones, Oh, man, why do
Speaker 1: you gotta do that? That's crazy? That's crazy. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's a heavy one. You d accid that held for
Speaker 1: accing that one right there, Brodie, I would have to say,
Speaker 1: because you know, Quinzy go back with Ray Charles and
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra. I love Dre. I would have the only
Speaker 1: reason I would say Quincy, But Dre did a lot too,
Speaker 1: But you know, Quinzy got that Michael Jackson. There's too
Speaker 1: many different categories, Like Dre is more urban hip hop,
Speaker 1: but Quincy's urban hip hop, too urban because Quincy, people
Speaker 1: don't know he did Sanford and Son. Yeah, you could
Speaker 1: do Sanford and Men. Or when I listened to that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who thinks of something like that? Who thinks
Speaker 1: to play? Who thinks to make a song with all
Speaker 1: of them? I don't even know what kind of what
Speaker 1: he used to make that ship? Like, how do you
Speaker 1: do that? Bro? You know? So I'm like I would say,
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say I love you Dre.
Speaker 1: But Quincy, Yeah, because of what he's done. If you
Speaker 1: look at this body at work, it's twice. Nobody can
Speaker 1: touch Quincy, nobody, nobody, Nobody can touch Quincy because, like
Speaker 1: you said, Quincy goes back fifty years and he goes
Speaker 1: from some Natra to Ray Charles to you know, he
Speaker 1: did Barry White, he did Michael Jackson, he did so many.
Speaker 1: But if it came to hip hop, yeah, anybody when
Speaker 1: anybody got me. I mean what maybe a Jimmy jamm
Speaker 1: and Terry lewis a complament when it comes to hip hop.
Speaker 1: Came Tobody. Fuck with Doctor Dre Oh yeah yeah yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah no no no no, not with the snoop
Speaker 1: in the Tupac his own album, Uh car ya m andem.
Speaker 1: Not not all this body at work, not with as
Speaker 1: long as the train smoke, it should go along with
Speaker 1: the train smoke. Talk to me, baby boy. I appreciate this, Bro.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a This thing's gonna be out, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be hot. I appreciate the time. And like I said, Bro,
Speaker 1: I know you twenty five years so you've always give
Speaker 1: given me love. So I appreciate the support. Continue success
Speaker 1: in the Tycoon Flurricane, going with the spoons, the noodles. Bro,
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything. Let's go, baby, I love your baby,
Speaker 1: appreciate it all my life, running all my life, sacrifice,
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Speaker 1: all my life and running all my life, sacrifice, hustle back, pricing,
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Speaker 1: I've been running all my life,