WEBVTT - E-40 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.000 Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.960 your host, also the proprietor of Club Shasha and the 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:09.760 guy that's coming by for a drinking conversation today. Wow, 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.480 he's a big one. He's a rapper, songwriter, record executive, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.840 a mogul, entrepreneurial. He's been in the game over thirty years. 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.000 Mister sprinkle me. The Bay Area is final us and 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.160 you can't mention the brap game without mentioning his name. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.200 Forty water, mister E forty. All my life, the grinding 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.400 all my life, sacrifice, hustle, back price, one slice got 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.199 the dice, swadd all my life. I've been grinding in 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:40.479 all my life, all my life, then running all my life, sacrifice, hustle, 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.720 baty prices, one slice got the bron dice swaddy all 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:49.320 my life. I've been grinding in all my life. E forty. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.200 What's up? What's up family? How you doing, buddy? Man? 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.400 I'm good man. Thanks for stopping by today. Man, I 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.680 really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Man. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:59.360 But you know, before we get started, you know, we've 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.120 been dealing with this pandemic for like the last sixteen months. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.040 Club Shah had a hard time getting this reserve, and 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.280 you know so, but uh, I reached out to my 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.720 good friend a fault and I got some of this. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.640 This is some of this. Tycoon Kanyak, Hello, Tycoo Corneyak 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.720 right here. Yeah, you know, you know, I know you 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.400 got a lot of spirits, you got Tycoon, you got 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.839 Earl Steven's wine, you got the e forty Slurri Kane, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.200 you got a tequila bra, you got a lot of 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.480 got a lot of irons in the fire. Talk to 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.000 me about it. You know, I started off selling wine online. 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.400 And everybody know it's natural, like an Afro for me 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:37.360 to speak about a dope beverages because all my career 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.080 from nineteen eighty eight on up. You know what I'm saying, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:41.520 that's all I talk about. You know, I used to 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.040 talk about a lot of wine. You know what I said. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.199 I always talk about Corneiak and stuff like that and everything. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.680 But anyway, to make a long story short, to have 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.920 had an opportunity to still wine online because I'm right 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.279 next door to Napa, California. You know that's wine country 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.720 right light. Hell, we same very cold. You know, I 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:57.880 can stick my arm out there. And now I'm in Nappa, 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.600 you know what I mean. That's how close we are. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.680 So actually, so I sell the Earl Stevens wine online. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:05.160 I didn't want to call it E forty I know, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:06.880 other dree I just wanted to call it my real name, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.600 Earl Stevens and give them that. And I wanted to 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.600 make it when you know, if somebody seen it and 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:15.320 they wouldn't know that's me, but those who who know 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.760 my real name was Earl Stevens would know it's me, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.280 you feel me. And I wanted to do that like 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.880 on a speak easy type of note, you know what 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.040 I mean, Like just like a whisper the whisper circuit, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.120 like you know, to see forty stuff, you know what 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:28.639 I mean. So a lot of people right now I 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.480 don't even know Earl Stevens is me. They don't even 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.040 know that's my wine. The mango scott are going crazy 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.560 eighteen percent alcohol thirty six. But anyway, I said on 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.520 wine online, and and then I ended up selling going 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.040 to a distributor called Southern Glazie Wine and Spirits. They 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.959 tasted it, they was like, okay, we in. I saw 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.400 a few cases to a few retail stores. Next thing, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.639 you know, I saw fifty six cases to a store 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.600 and valet all calls food for less from food for Less, 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.480 that was a whole palette. Next thing you know, it 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.880 was a truck load. Then Southern Glazier Wine Spirits picked 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.720 up a truck load delivered it to all the on 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.320 premise and off premise Jim remarking all over the chain 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.720 stores all that, and it just went and it took 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.959 off from there, and that was twenty fourteen. Let me 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.200 ask you a question. What's the difference between Earl Stevens 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.560 products and E forty products? Okay, E forty products is 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.280 more or less like the Earl Stevens products is kind 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:22.320 of like ultra premium, like super premium. You know what 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:26.000 I'm saying. The forty products is like uh, you know, 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.959 Premix cocktail drinks, ready to drink Premix cocktail drinks like 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:33.880 the Slurycane E forty Hurricane Blue Lagoon, forty story Cane 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.640 Sweet tea forty Slury Cane Hurricane, which I got from 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.600 New Orleans and E forty Slurycane Yellow Bird, which I 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:46.960 got from the Bahamas. When I you also, I think 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.400 you see a pots and pans. I see you, I 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.920 see you on social media. You be cooking that you 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.880 call yourself the goon with a spoon? What got you 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:59.000 into cooking? And do you like cooking? Why? I'd love cooking, man, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.440 you know, being the oldest for uh, you know, I 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.040 had to you know, had to make a way out 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:04.720 of no way. You know, my mom and pop stayed 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.320 divorced when I was eight and a half. But my 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.400 dad always stayed in our life, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.080 And he stayed there. Chick paid child support. But but 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.960 but for the majority of the situation, I was the 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:16.680 man of the house, you know, when we moved to 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.560 a whole other side of the town and my mom 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.080 had to work two and three jobs and I had 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.000 to you know, beat it, beat the old I was 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.680 the oldest, so I had to be a father figure 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.840 to my my my siblings, you know. And so it's 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.800 you know, two I had two brothers that was in 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.880 that house and my sister, Sugar Tea. So you know 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.360 what I'm saying. So we all we was raised. I 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.400 just talked. I was self talk kind of. And then 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.960 I also worked at a restaurant in Nicia, California called 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.680 the Commonized Restaurants, which I think way back then was 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.080 pretty much a Mitchell and Start restaurant because all the 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:45.800 rich people used to go there. And I started off 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.280 setting you know, I started off watching dishes, you know 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:52.600 what I'm saying, as a teenager in there. And then 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.400 I worked my way up real quick. I started washing 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.080 dishes and uh, working at the pantry, making a making 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.960 a what you call it stuff? Oh my god, calamari 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.680 and all that stuff calamary. And then I started learning 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.880 how to cook chicken corn on blue. You know, when 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.160 I went to the kitchen chicken corn on blue at 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:17.280 Scargo London, broil orange roughie fish like you know what 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.920 I'm with almonds and pant fried. You know what I'm 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.120 saying with with h and muscles, muscles with wine, salt, 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.280 limon limons. In other words, you just picked up this 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.960 by just watching the chefs and the other cooks cook 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.279 because you're not really trained. You didn't go to school 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:31.960 to be a chef or to be a cook. You 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.560 just watch other people do it. You like, picked it 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.960 up like hell, I can do that, yeah, definitely the 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:38.960 most definitely, And that's how it happened, you know. And 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.120 when my mother in law bought me a uh. In 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.360 two thousand and fourteen, she bought me a power pressure cook. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.720 I'm like, I used to always hear you know, you know, 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.360 see Grandmama and them, all the grandmama's they have pressure 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.440 cook but they had the old fashioned kind of put 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.120 on the story. The kind is kind of dangerous, right, Yes, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.120 you gotta know how to really work them things. But 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.480 these when they came with the electric ones, I was like, oh, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.840 this is this is this is easy, and so I 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.600 started learning that. Then I started just cooking everything and 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.320 that then I just started doing all the I've been 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.200 knowing how to cook. So then I started working my 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.000 Pots and Pants game, you know, my othern game. You 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:11.080 know what I'm saying. So I became the gul with 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.440 the spoon, which you know that's a street word. My cousin, 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.279 be Legit made that up. You know what I'm saying. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.320 He cray, he said, he came with the gun with 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:19.800 the spoon. You smelled me and I just I just 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.880 turned it into a you know, we're both saying it 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.280 in our lyrics. That's what we do. We share a 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.320 game because we're from the same thing, and you know, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.240 we pick up things from each other and that's and 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.480 I didn't know it was gonna becoming this big. So 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.640 it became real big. So I was like, I had 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.600 my boy cousin fi have his guy made me a 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.960 logo and he made that and it was the gun 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.520 with the spoon and it we just took it there. 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.160 Because if Fike love you too, man, I meant to 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.480 tell you, that's the guy I was telling you about earlier, right, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.400 master P. I talked to him the other day and 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.560 he was talking about you and him go back all 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.640 these years, and he had mad respect. Boy, you say, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.600 that's my brother. And he was telling me how he 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.680 hooked you up with the noodles, and he was like, man, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.320 he's like, hey, we eat noodles. So let's let's go 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.200 ahead and put out put our iron in the fire, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.520 and let's see we can get cooking with this. Because 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.120 I think sometimes for it is that people look, they're 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.160 always looking to invent something that's never been invented, as 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.000 opposed to it, there's something that's already there. How about 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.960 we approve improve on that and sell that to our 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.280 to our to our communities. That's right, why not we 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.480 can do we? You know, now, black owned businesses is 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.840 in full effect. You know. He always had that state 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:26.120 of mind idea as well. And we learned that early 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.400 age early and that we we learned that in music 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.480 we was independent, me and him. We come up on 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.680 to my uncle, Saint Charles, you know what I'm saying. 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.000 So you know, you know he got he he came 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.680 like they had rap snacks years ago and they they 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.320 brought it back out him and James, you know, and 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.480 then it went to noodles and then that now it's 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.800 serial and all they doing their thing. You feel me 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.000 and on my end, I'm doing my thing, you know 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.720 with the dope beverages and also got going with the 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.280 school products coming very soon as well. And we all 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.680 talk and it's all love. We took teamwork, make the 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.200 dream work. You know. If he had a choice, you know, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.720 James got at me, say, Pete, want you on these 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.760 on these noodles, man, the icon noodles, you know, and 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.720 that's an honor and a pleasure, you know, because you 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.840 know he Pete don't just pick anybody. You know, Pete 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:11.560 small to dude man, so he ain't just gonna do 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.800 so you know, that show automatically how much love he 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.640 got for me and we break when we breaking bread. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:16.920 You know what I'm saying, that's how we do it. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.520 So we're trying to we're trying to preach black on 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.080 you know, entrepreneurship. You know what I'm saying. Just you know, 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.200 being being, being the vendor of record. You know, the 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.200 vendor of record is very important, you know. So that's 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.040 that's that's what I am with a Dope beverage. It's 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.760 one hundred percent owner of everything that I do, you know, 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.480 And it don't have to be one hundred percent owner. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.800 You can have the business partners. I got a business 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.200 partner in the Lumpia Company, which I own a restaurant 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:42.200 of Filippino. In the restaurant, his name is Alex Petto, 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.720 Chef Alex loup be a chef, you know what I'm saying. 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.120 So you know, you know, when you team up like that, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.000 maybe one day we'll do a good with the spoon 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.280 slash uh rap snacks uh you know brand or something 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.040 you never know, you know, vice versa. So you we 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.000 just it's all about you know, you scratch my back, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.000 I scratched your Let's go teamwork, make the dream work. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.280 Let's let's do this. Man, you've been from the Bay area. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.000 How much it being from the Bay and knowing they 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.680 have Philicon Valley and knowing that you're right next to Nappa, 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.480 How did that weigh on you? Like, because you've invested 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.439 in startups, you have these fears, you have the wine. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.360 How heavily did that influence you? Being so close? You're like, Man, 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.040 I'm right here, I might as gonna take advantage of 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.040 this man, you know, just being a good dude. You know, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.240 I treat people like I want to be treated, you know, 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:34.600 and what I want for myself I want for others. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.520 I'm a congratulator, not a hater, you know what I'm saying, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.520 because I know, let me tell you something, if you 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.920 hate on somebody, you ain't gonna have no good luck. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.000 That stuff gonna come right back on you. You know 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.160 what I'm saying. And it ain't in my blood like 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.240 I want, and I especially when I know our people 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.160 come from the mud, we come from the grit, We 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.080 come from the motherfucking octagon, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.520 And I want to see us all win because it's 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.600 enough money out there forever everybody, you know, So being 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.080 in that being right there, Valleo Nappa being in between. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.080 Valet got the best of all worlds of the Bay Area. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.400 We got a little we gotta we got our own thing. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.480 May we got we we drink that we from that 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:15.680 Mare Island water. Special people come from valais or something 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.439 about that Mirror Island water. I'm trying to tell you 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.959 some real stuff. And that's Bay Area water too, right. 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.319 You could catch the ferry from Valleo straight direct, a 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.480 straight shot to San Francisco. Same water. We share, the 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.480 same water. But that Mirror Island water, that a little 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:33.679 surrounding dead water is something special. So we got the 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.840 best of all worlds, you know, getting you know, being 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.640 having relatives in certain cities and all that stuff, and 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.280 just being creative. We all locked in. Now. I'll tell 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:47.880 you what Silicone Valley shout out to my man chamillionaire. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.600 You know what I'm saying, chamellionaire. My cousin Tyson got 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.480 at me and he was like, you know, chamillionaire doing 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.920 these startup companies. You know, you might want to holler 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.640 at him. At that time. You know, this is like 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.800 two thy twelve two. I was thirteen, right, Well, I 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.199 didn't really know too much about it, and I was 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.280 like trying. I knew about it, but I didn't like. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.600 I was like, how you do it? So I kind 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.160 of by that time Comedian there, I hit a few times. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.120 He had it was a couple of companies he got in, 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.839 uh in the early stage startups that that that you know, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.000 got acquired and got an IPO. He had huge. So 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.720 by the time I got in, it's like twenty sixteen. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.040 So I end up now I'm it's twenty twenty one. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.320 Now I'm forty five forty between forty five and depending 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.200 on the next month, between forty five and forty eight 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.400 startup companies deep that I'm in early stage startups. A 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.760 lot of people don't know. I'm an early stage investor 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.040 in Clubhouse, one of the hottest things out right now right, 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.559 you know what I mean? That thing evaluated that a 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.880 billion within months it's and it looked like it's gonna 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.920 be five billion at the end of the summer. So 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.520 you know, I ended up getting my feet wet and 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.800 startup companies as well. Shout out to Commutian there. You 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.439 might see us at the basketball games courtside hanging out 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.320 my friend for many years. You know what I'm saying. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.520 Let me ask you this go back to your your 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.520 cooling their skills. What's your favorite thing to cook? My 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:15.640 favorite thing to cook is maybe fried rice, chicken shrimp, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:20.120 fried rice. You know what I'm saying. I would say oxtails. Yeah, 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.439 I love from oxtail, but you can't find him. We 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.959 can't find them right here in southern California. You go 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.679 to all the story there out you're serious. A lot 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:34.839 of cash from southern California. Got that southern and check 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.800 this out. I had the crab because you know, my 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.360 daddy from Mississippi. Okay, Mom and granddaddy and them, they 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.319 are from Louisiana. Okay, you know they you know I'm 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.040 from that. I'm from the shoot. You know you know 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.320 that I'm from the shore, studing you I'm from that era. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.520 I'm I'm real, I'm a I'm a I'm a Valeo 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.800 South dude. You know what I'm saying. I live. I 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.480 stayed at Grandma. I went to Grandma State University of Louisia. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.319 Like I'm it's empty. So you know, my my grandmamma 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.360 on my daddy's side, straight from Mississippi, her r ip 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.520 Grandmama Rebecca. She used to come. I go over there. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.559 She over there and making hog head cheese with the eyelashes, 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.839 eyeball everything in it. What hell, well, you know what 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:20.080 that hog head chee? You you really, you really downside 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:21.719 because they a whole lot of people don't about hog 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.640 head chee. Let me tell you my grand Let me 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.160 tell you now. Let me tell you about my grandmama. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.920 On my mama's side, she raised eleven kids her my 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.640 granddamey people that my granddad was a preacher for sixty years. 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.480 R ip to mother Thurman and granddaddy Thurman. You know 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.920 what I'm saying. And Uh, one day I go over 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.720 there to Millersville in the eighteen hundred block, and I holler, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.520 I go hider. Grandma justused to go visit them, she says. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.480 She said. Grandsaid, I'm going on over there, and luck 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.600 it's for me, and go pick up me some chicken feet. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.559 I say, well, Grandmama, yeah, it's some chicken feet. Just 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.760 asked the butcher, just say you're here from mother Thurman. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.760 And I was like, okay, I'll do it for you grandmama. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.600 And so I went over there. I said, Hey, I'm 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.760 here to some chicken feet from my grandma. Oh, mother famine. Okay, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.800 no problem, dude, had it all packaged, stup, ready to 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.280 go in there. Thing. I brought it to Grandmama. Grandmama 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.599 hadn't already had the cast iron uh cast iron h 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.400 skillet with the breeze already warming up, because it's right 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.360 across the street, you know what I'm saying, already warming 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.920 up all that good shit. Man. She had a little 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.960 seasoning in the bag already ready. Man. She washed them off, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.800 cut the feet, you know, a little pieces off, took 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.320 the toils off. You know it, right, man, She's chicken 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.440 things up, put them things in there, fried them up, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.760 and she she got to eat them things. It was. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.440 It looked, it looked it kind of like different. But 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.880 I was I was tempted to do it, but I 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.720 was kind of younger. I was like, nineteen, I will 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.280 hold off. I'mna hold off. But as I traveled, you know, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.520 when we on the road, we stopping at Flying Jay's, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.400 and we stopping at Walmart, and we're going through the 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.360 south Midwest, this and a third were going to the 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.360 publics and all these places, we're seeing more and more 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.080 chicken feet. I say, man, I call my folks and 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.000 say this is my grandmama had me get y'all see 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:05.560 the chicken feet, So it's common. It's common in the South, Yes, yes, yeah, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.960 because you know I grew up I'm from Rule South, Georgia. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.280 I'm heavy Georgia. So I grew up eating pig in 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.320 the sandwiches, eating pig tails, eating chicken that, eating pig feet, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.960 eating you know, the wild game, the squirrel, the rabbit, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.320 the raccoons. Because you know how I know. I watched 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.840 the whole segment about you and your your brother and 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.600 your and your grandma. You love your grandma, Bro. Yes, 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.360 you know what I'm saying. You raised y'all. Bro. Y'll 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.320 have to walk hell a fart to school is a smaller. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:32.680 I know your story, I know the struggle, Bro. I 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.240 know you from Bro, and I'm proud of you too, Bro. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.200 Trust it. Part of you mentioned. I appreciate that you 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.400 mentioned that you started investing and start ups and you're 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.600 doing quite well, and that has there been some opportunities 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.360 that you like, I'm a pass on this and they 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.680 come to find out they hit up not yet, because 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.720 anything that that has I would say, I would say 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.320 fixtures that they didn't hit a few times. If they involved. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.480 It's like they ain't involved. Like I'm in I'm in 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.240 a company one of the ones that with Oprah and 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.080 people don't know what it is, but it's one of 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.960 them right now being chamillionaire and our host you know, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.400 uh Supreme Partners team, you know what I'm saying. Right, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.800 and so we like we we all we like we 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:20.640 in it, but we just don't say nothing. We just 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:22.760 were cool, you know what I'm saying. But like I say, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.360 I'm anytime you got some big names or something in 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.080 there that really didn't already then you know, you know, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.240 had a few companies that didn't got acquired in IPO. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.280 You know what I'm saying. You want you want to 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.680 you want to get in they know evidently they know something. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.160 They evidently they know what it is because they think 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.120 about the future. Right I say, if them big dogs 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.000 got their names to it, it's normally something good. It's 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.200 normally something good. Bro. What was your what was your 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:56.000 first business venture? My first business venture was I would 0:16:56.080 --> 0:17:02.400 say nineteen eighty nine. My brother, uh me and my 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.000 brother had a clothing store. It was called New Fat 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:08.680 Clothing right there in Millersville on Solano Avenue. Okay, and 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:10.680 we bought a clothing store. We would get our clothes. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.000 We were so young that we wasn't able to have 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.000 our credit, you know, we you know, we we we 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.000 we had to figure it out ourselves because we're self 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.480 taught and we were self made, and so we you know, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.920 we would go to the garment district. You know what 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.320 I'm saying. We would go to garment to get our clothes. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.560 We went to New York like you know, and got 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.919 you know, get closer, you know, for a lower price. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.120 We we went to the Magic Show. The Magic Show 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.720 used to be a big deal. And in Las Vegas 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.880 we went to the back then we got we hooked 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.560 up with Carl can I Cross Colors, major damage all 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.440 those They let us get in on CODs U ups 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.840 co D cash on delivery back then right then, and uh, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.680 we would go to Cordelia if we didn't if we 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:52.760 miss if we miss a drop off or something like, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.840 if they if we was going and they were gonna 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.000 pick up our clothes there and pay right there or whatever. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:58.720 Back this you gotta remember, this is the age of 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.280 the late eighties, you know. Said, so, you know, we 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.320 had that we had new fat clothing up and running. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.440 So I take the little bread that I made, you 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.800 know what I'm saying, and go put a down payment. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.560 We had my man Studio Tongue, you know, which produced 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:12.280 a whole bunch of songs, Captain save a whole and 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.000 a whole bunch of sick with the records slaps. You 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.080 know what I'm saying. He said, we had studio. We 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.400 had New Fat Clothing. Next to that was Davenport. Then 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.720 further down you had Rich Arts Barbershop. You know what 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.760 I said. You had studio Tone Studio. So I take 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.639 the little bread that I make, and I'm gonna put 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.200 a down payment down there on studio to stud tonk 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:33.720 he go, you know, he go, a hundred bucks man. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.719 Let me let me get in next Thursday. I'm having 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.760 my lyrics already written. All I need this like four hours, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.400 and I'm gonna I'm gonna come in there and knock 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.520 out about four or five songs. And I was a youngster, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:45.920 so I knock out four and five songs complete right away. 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.280 Like you know, cats going there and knock out songs. 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.399 But this was with a lot of thought in it. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.880 You know what I'm saying. They're going there knock out 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:54.680 a song and just do a verse art verse and 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.760 a half, no hook, get to be incomplete. I had 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.520 my tupac on I go in there and knock out 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.720 four songs right away, you know what I'm saying. So 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:04.960 that was my first business venture right there. So you've 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.040 been you've been about this hustle thing for a minute, 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:11.919 just a teenager. So you got the clothes, you got, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.680 you started a little clothing thing. But it seems to 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.399 me you were doing the clothing thing because music was 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.400 always because you're like, Okay, I got one hundred dollars, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.600 I'm gonna need some I'm gonna need some boot time 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:27.639 next Thursday. So that bobing was the was the start, 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.240 was the gateway to what you really wanted to do, 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.399 which was music. That's right, That's what it was. It 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:35.680 helped me out tremendously, you know what I mean. And 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.199 I always had you know, I used to work at 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.359 the I used to have a paper route, okay, all 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.800 what I'm saying. And on that paper my granddaddy had 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.000 one earlier too. He had one early in the morning. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.359 The papers will be delivered to me. Here, can pick 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.159 me up and it'll be delivered to him too. But 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:53.720 he'll pick me up and uh, and I it'll be 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.680 early in the morning before school, like five am. You 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.680 know what I'm saying. Remember, mind you, I was in band. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.600 I played the drums from the fourth grade all the 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:02.880 way to the twelfth grade. That they didn't have studios 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.960 and stuff like that. Back when I was in the 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.240 fourth grade on up. You know what I mean, everything 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.400 was angry. So anyway, so remember I had zero period band. 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.119 I mean, you gotta danger be at at school at 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.200 like seven thirty. So I had to be already dressed 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:17.280 everything so grand Daddy could picked me up four thirty 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.600 five am in the morning. And so one day I'm 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:23.000 on the paper route with him, and uh, I'm I was. 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.040 I was an observer of the game, always been a 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.920 student of the game. So I always pay attention to 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.240 older people and everything. I just used to everything around me. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.240 And one day I'm in the car with him. He 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.119 was like it was just me and here he just grandson. 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.479 I say, hey, granddadd he just you were you were 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:47.400 heavy at thinker Huh, I say, a grand Daddy, because 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.439 I was in deep thought. I'll just be That's why 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:52.119 I'm so thought like this. I'm just a thinker, you 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.960 know what I'm here and that's why I'm woke. But yeah, man, 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:59.080 I always I used to work for South in South 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.600 Valo during the summer at Valle Neighborhood housing because I drew. 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.359 I used to like to draw. So I take an 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.560 old house, you know what I'm saying, and I draw 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.440 the old house and then show how it's gonna look 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.160 at the end of it when it's done, completely furbished 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:12.920 and everything. Yeah, I used to do that, man, I 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.119 used to do you know. I was, ah, I never 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.320 let grass grow under my feet. Man, wasn't letting a 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.560 standing steel but an old ass hill and a broken 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:25.119 down bottom field on my behalf. You feel, So what 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:27.800 inspired you to get into the music? What inspired you 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.560 to wrap? What inspired me to wrap was when I 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:36.399 first heard the sugar Hill Game nine Rappers, Delight Rappers, 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.560 Delight Boy. When I heard that, I'm like, what the 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.800 hell is this new form of music? You know? And 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.280 it was just everybody at my school was singing it. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.520 It was new, and I know that song all the 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:48.720 way through. He was about twenty minute long, but everybody 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:52.040 knew it. Everybody knew that song. Man, the chicken Wood, 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.400 the chicken taste like something. It was like all kinds 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.920 of the hip hop. H I mean, you gotta remember 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.760 that was you know hip hop? Who was seventy nine? 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.159 Was that it ye forty one years ago, forty two 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.800 years ago that came out That's a trip, bro. So 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:12.320 basically that made me start rapping, just playing around right, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:17.320 you know. But before that, I'm listening now, when you 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:23.040 started your your style didn't immediately catch on. It wasn't 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:28.200 until years later that people appreciated your style, your flow, 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.800 your caters. Until this day, nobody has ever been able 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.359 to replicate what you've been able to do on the bike. No, 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:42.400 because I took My style is unpredictable because I don't 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.560 even know how I'm a flow like it just depends 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.639 on how to be sound or what what what what? 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.479 You know, whatever direction my flows take me because I'm 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.840 all over the place like space right everywhere like air, 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.240 you know. And so I was like, I just because 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.240 I can do it all, bro, I can wrap slow, 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.760 and I can wrap that. I wrap real slow, laid 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.920 back cause I like mob music. And then I just 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.359 turned it, turn it on. Then it come that you 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.560 know that that that mouthpiece with a shift kid in it. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.440 You know what I'm saying, I guess just get the 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.440 gas and you know what I'm saying, that's when the 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.640 dual exhausts kick in and that when I take off, 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.879 that's when motherfucker's be like, oh my god, it's nigga. 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:27.520 You know what I'm saying. So, but the but the 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.120 style and the way you do it, the words, the caters, 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:33.960 that's what it is. I mean, your flow, Like I said, 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.399 nobody has ever been able to replicate that. No, we 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.920 see rappers that you know, rested soul pop smoke, he 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.640 sounds like fifty and we see heard rappers that sound 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.760 like some of the modern day rappers. But you and 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:51.879 that style that's so unique to the Bay and to 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.720 e fort It. Why can't someone flow like that? So 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.240 it's people I've grew up on too as well that 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.600 you know, you can say that has influences on me too, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.600 and you would never know though, Like like you got 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.800 a kind of KrF one vibe, Definitely, I got carras 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.359 one in me. I got too short in me. I 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.720 got some brothers from Richmond, California named Magic Mike and Calvint. Yeah, 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:22.159 you know, I care can go from your t F 0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.040 four if you ever heard they just can't go from 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.680 you t F Yeah, I made my voice like that. 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.359 You feel me like like it's a lot of I 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:31.840 got influences too, But when you put me all together, 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:33.600 like I got like iced t in me, you won't 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:35.840 even know I got iced t in me? Right, you know, 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.040 I got the streets in me, and I ten straight 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.720 street shit, you feel right. So anyway, it's a whole 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.040 bunch of rappers man, and and and and it's me 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.000 too with my character and my my cadence come from 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.360 playing of drums. Right well, if you if you listen 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.280 to my cadences, it's drum, it's all. It's percussion. It's 0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:55.560 a percussion flow stole. You know what I'm saying. You, 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:59.320 As I mentioned, when you first started out, they're like, man, 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:02.080 that's whack. I mean, nobody was really trying to collab 0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:05.760 with you. So what were you thinking? Then You're like, hey, man, 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:07.399 I'm not here. I'm out here doing what I do. 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.520 I know, I know my stuff good, I know it think, 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.959 but I can't get no love. Man. It bothered me up. 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.040 Like I actually, I tell you one day, man, when 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.120 we in nineteen eighty eight. We had our me, my brother, 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:25.200 my brother Mac d Shot, my cousin be Legit, my 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:27.919 sister Sugar Tea. We was called m VP Most Valuable Players. 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:32.560 We had a place called the Pros Pros DJs. We 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:35.280 played our music for them. It was like probably maybe 0:25:35.359 --> 0:25:38.119 fifty fifty people in the room, maybe a hundred, I 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.200 don't know. And I was like, so we played it 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.639 and you know they was they No one gave us 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.400 no feedback. My man Casper, which I talked to last week, 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.520 he was like, what do you gotta stack? And no 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.080 one said nothing. They didn't say nothing about like, man, 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:54.760 you know you need to go back to the drawing board. 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:56.280 I think you should work on this a little more. 0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.760 It's like y'all not quite there or whatever. They just 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.200 did us like that. So I man, my heart start racing. 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.399 I start having a panic attack, like you know, like 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.240 I start getting anxiety. Oh my first time ever experienced 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.000 anything like that. You gotta understand, I had one foot 0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:11.840 on the turf and I had one foot in the 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.960 vocal booth, right, so I wasn't you know what I'm saying, 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.399 I wasn't. Yeah, So I'm I'm stressed out. So I 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.600 don't know. I'm worried about if if if, if one 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.520 of these old scaled let's ask motherfuckers friends to try 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:24.960 to kick in my door and I'm gonna have to 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.440 open them up. Or if you know what I'm saying, 0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.080 Or if I'm I'm a fair as a poet, propo 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:31.960 fan to be on my anus, you know what I'm saying. 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:33.800 So I'm like, you know, I gotta I was. I 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.680 was stressed out. I was caught between a rock and 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.600 a political hard place. It wasn't a catch twenty two, 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.440 It's a catch twenty three. Luckily I had, like I said, 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.480 my grandparents, my auntie's name, a mom and them everybody 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:45.960 prayer warriors. They wanted to I'm the chosen one of 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.280 the family, you know what I'm saying. And they knew 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:50.600 they seen it. They knew I was gonna beat somebody. 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:52.920 They knew I wanted after streets. They knew that I 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:55.639 wanted to be this this influence. So they knew I 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.320 wanted to be a motivator. You know. You know what 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.560 I'm saying. Oh, I'm here to inspire, you know what 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.080 I'm saying. And they knew that, they knew what I 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:05.200 was gonna be so anyway that that that did what 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.959 it did. I was holding the grudge up until recently 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:10.320 when my uncle say Charles like, man, you know what, 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.240 don't don't don't say the word hate when you hate, 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:16.440 when you don't like somebody, Just say you don't you 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:18.919 don't you know you you don't, you don't rock with them, 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:20.040 you know what I mean something like that. You know 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.000 what I'm saying, Because you say, you know that can 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:23.600 come back on you because there's a lot of people 0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.359 I can really have, I can really not ever like 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.320 in my life you have problems have issues with Yeah, 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.200 because they did me wrong, you know what I'm saying. 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.960 But I'm a real good person, you know. And so 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.320 but at the time, at the time, did you think 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.200 did you do you think they knew they were doing 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.639 you wrong? Or it was just that what what do 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:44.960 you think that problems? Now that I'm older, because you know, 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:49.480 with with with age comes wisdom older, I get watching, 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.359 so I'm thinking on the outside looking in and they 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.000 probably just didn't understand how you know, we was ahead 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.960 of our time, right, you know, but at that time 0:27:57.000 --> 0:27:59.040 my style didn't develop that quick like that. It was 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.119 like kind of looking normal. It was. That was my 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.199 first little goal. So I'm like, man, it was right 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.000 in the pocket. It wasn't like it was some thowd 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.280 shit like I like, I'm told now like I might 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.200 style everywhere like air. You know what I'm saying. So 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.719 I'm like, your style was like a Tesla. Tesla been 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.480 out for a minute, but they didn't get hopped until 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.359 like the last five two years. And now they've blowing 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.560 up like everything. Not nitro, just like Tito's vodka. Took 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.000 him twenty years to really getting known everywhere, and look 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.840 at him now, Yeah, in their status. You see. You 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.080 see what I'm saying. So you're wrong. Wasn't built in 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:29.680 a day, you feel me? They caught up. They finally 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.960 caught up. Now everybody rapping fast. Now everybody know what's 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.480 happening now, Now everybody know all my slang words. It's 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:38.360 just now surfacing that I said when some of these 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:40.920 rappers was kids, before they wasn't even born. I was 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:42.880 saying the words that they created a lot of rappers 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.120 for it. But I don't even trip because I'm older 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.960 and wiser. It's like I know history peace itself, and 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:49.680 I know how it going. They got it from somebody 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.120 that got it from somebody that got it from somebody 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.280 that got it from me. You feel me, you you 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.080 got it. That's your style. They came by folk, they 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:58.720 came like fo people after you. But that's you in 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.120 real life. And so you know, like I said, I'm so, 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:03.480 I'm so much in a happy space man, and a 0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.040 good I'm here to be a motivator man and more. 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.560 People want these junsters to see how I get down. 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.040 I'm not into no sucker stuff, man, I'm just trying 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:14.920 to be solid, not solid. Did you ever think about 0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:18.080 changing your style because you weren't getting the love you weren't. 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:20.960 You weren't getting the play that you thought you deserved. 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.040 So did you think about changing your style? Your float? Nah? 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.360 My mama told me, she said, whatever you do, boy, 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.840 you just keep rapping fast because she used to see me. 0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:30.440 I didn't even know what it was. I rubbed my 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.400 neck like back here, and it was all listen my 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.040 shoulders to be real tense. So one day my auntie say, 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.080 why are you so tense? Boys? She's like, and I said, 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.320 I don't know, a little stress. I guess you stuck 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.800 here said that was stressed. I was stressed out at 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.680 a young age, right, you know what I'm saying. So 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.239 I didn't know. So I was like my Mamma used 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.480 to always tell me, she said, boy, keep rapping, doing 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:52.520 your things. She was always she always motivated me. She 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.520 used to tell us who you know, she raising three 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.280 boys and one girl on Magazine Street. She like, y'all 0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:58.800 get out there and be men. Get out there and 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.040 be men. Experienced the world, and that's what we did. 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.760 She gave us our freedom to go. That's why we 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.480 saw ahead of our time we would be. We would 0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.680 be out of When we were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old, 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.040 we everywhere I'm talking about out of state. We all 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.320 over the place. And my mom was still working three jobs. 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.200 Worked at State Hospital, you understand. He was worked at 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.280 mister Jimmy's around the corner on Folt Street, I mean 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.760 on the Laurel Street and the hillside. Worked at vallel 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:24.640 neighborhood house and I used to watch walls with it. 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.400 Worked at Maggie's Hamburger's on Nitial Row. Like you know 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.480 what I'm saying. She doing all these side jobs just 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.640 to take care of us. You know, my dad paid 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.440 child support, but you know. That was you know, four kids, 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.600 you know, and we was into sports. So four hundred 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:42.320 dollars wasn't the number, I know, because he had to 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.360 pay fourteen. I think it's foulteen total for four kids, 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.200 which he did because he worked for PG and he 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.280 you know, I love my pops. You don't say that, 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.520 but I said that wasn't enough for us. We was active. 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.840 We played football, baseball, We played all week. You know 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.760 you're a week a week, bro, That's what I'm saying. 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:07.880 You feel me. I'm looking at your your resume. You 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.920 dropped twenty seven solo albums. What is the thought bro, 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:14.640 when you go into the I mean, do you need 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.640 a beat and then write or do you write with 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.680 a beat in mind? What's the process like for e 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:26.160 forty writing writing a song? Well, first off, it's more 0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.680 than twenty seven. That's a that's old data because they 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:30.520 say that they've been saying that for the last four years. 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.680 So what you what you up to? Now? We're gonna 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.760 make sure we get it right. Bertie, It's okay, fam 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:36.640 this this is you read enough to thing. It's like, 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.800 I don't even know. Now I gotta count because I 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.080 dropped something like in December. You know what I'm saying, 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.440 jointing because they haven't added you know, to beat Me 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.680 and beat LEGiT's album, you know, to respect, they didn't 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.240 do me in two short history. Mob must function music 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.520 like they ain't adding you know, the one Me and 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.440 two Shots just did recently. They ain't added all the group, 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.840 the group albums I've been with the click by my 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.440 brothers and sisters. You know what I'm saying, my brother 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:03.280 and sister. My brother's an sister. Anyway, make a long 0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:08.320 story short, but no, I uh you had let's get 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.640 back right when you say, I'm sitting up here trying 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.400 to correct you about how many albums? What was the 0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:14.640 what was the question after that? As far as I 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.360 ask you when you go in, are you do you 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.920 need a beat and write to the beat? Or have 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.000 you written a song with a beating mind? Man, A 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.320 lot of times I do write songs with a beating mind. 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:32.040 And then but but I do I take notes? Okay, 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:36.320 so you know if I if I say, uh, make 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.400 up something like uh, you know they say wrong what 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.680 they say, they say, uh, life ain't promise tomorrow. I 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.160 say life, A life ain't promise today? And I say 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:47.960 that in my little tape quarter or also I write 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.320 it in my notes on my iPhone life life and 0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.240 promise tomorrow or today. You know what I'm saying. Okay, 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.680 And you know, and that's something my uncle them used 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:58.160 to say. You feel me, that's how That's how I 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.800 say it, right, I come just like that, and then 0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.520 that's how I'm so thad like I'm all over the place. 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.880 So you know that's how I right. But I would 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.000 love to. I love when a beat has a hook 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.720 to it, all right, when these producers send it with 0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.240 the hook, whether they write the hook in my voice 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:17.760 like they ride it and say forty you say this 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:19.600 part on the hook, because I'm gonna give them. They 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.760 put they publishing, they write this list all that. That's 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.440 all cool. You know. People don't write for me. But 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.280 if you want to write a hook for me, all 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.040 they do it, you can do. You can do a 0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:29.440 hook for me if you want to. You know what 0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.960 I'm saying. So you have everything that everything that that 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:37.160 that that that forty fit forty rode. Oh yeah, man, 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.560 but you know we also have every rapper. Can you can, hey, 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.080 if a motherfucker line, if they ain't saying they they 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.280 got a house full of their partners and they say, faulty. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:48.840 What we're saying it like this? Now this is the 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.880 new word they're saying. And they just and they say, 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:52.719 and you put that in all? They say, what if 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.560 you say it like this? Just a couple of lines. 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.320 Everybody bought a couple of bars, and so what they 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.560 what they folks around them? You know what I'm saying. 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:03.960 It's called vibing. Every rapper. Fuck what they're talking about. 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.959 They know it. You know what I'm saying. Even though 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:08.960 we right, we do, we right all ship. But I'm 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.719 just saying everybody to participate like that, you know, whether 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.080 they helping him, helping him come with a hook or 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.640 something like ideals flow, you know what I'm saying. Family 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.319 members like all that shit. You know, So that's how 0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.440 that shit go. Forty You've had You've been on a 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:25.680 track with Tupac, two Short Little john Snoop Dogg, Mac Dre, 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.400 Big Sean, scar Face, Top Dollars, slide Yo, got it? 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.200 Who brings out the best? And when you when you 0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.759 were on when you were on a co lab with 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.600 one of those guys, you know they're gonna bring it, 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:40.200 are you saying, you know what, Oh, I got something 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.080 for him. I got something today. I'm gonna lay this 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.800 track down. This thing's gonna be a smoker. Anybody I 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.839 do a song with period, it's friendly competition. I'm gonna 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.239 try to outgash you, no matter if it's your son 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.640 or my song, I'm gonna try to outgash you. You 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.680 wanna try to turn the man up on either own fault? 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.520 How are you gonna come to them? How you gonna 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.880 come to the man? How it go? Try to and 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:04.000 put your feet up on his coffee table and show 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.120 out in front of hill. You know why because it 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.040 makes the song bigger and greater. Because it's called friendly competition. 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.879 So we're both showing out. It's gonna make the song 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:17.000 super hard, right, super super hard? Like I got a 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.080 song right now. Then I'm dropping the video for in 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.600 a couple of days. And that song it's called Our 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.239 Stand on that Now. We did this song about four 0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:29.279 months ago and we put it out, but we just 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.440 did the video to it, and I'm just now like, 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.320 damn man, we was all gassing on that thing. Like 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.719 it's tremendous gas. It's like unheard of gas, and it's 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.160 joining Lucas, myself and Ti and we on there rapping 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:44.719 like Joyner always rapped like that. With me and Tip, 0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:46.800 we we ain't. We never rapped like that. Well I 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.960 have a little bit, but me and Tip we we 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.320 we ain't rapped like that in many years. You know 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:53.960 what I'm saying. It's like New Scoopa, but it's we 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.799 never rapped like that. But when you hear it, it's 0:35:57.200 --> 0:36:00.279 gassy in every word. You can hear it. And just 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:01.839 y'all look out for that video it's called I Stand 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:03.160 on that. So, like I say, man, I could do 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.520 any style. I'm all over the place where my flows 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.640 and I just love creating things being different. When you different, 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.919 you can become an innovator. If you sound like everybody else, 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.120 you know what I'm saying. If you, if you if 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.960 you continuously just want to be the second dude, what's 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.680 whatever's in? You can do? What's that? Whatever it is in? 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:23.319 Because it's good to keep your eye on the ball 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.319 so you won't strike out, you know what I'm saying, 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:27.920 So you won't go down. You know looking, you know 0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.920 what I'm saying, keep your eye on the ball and 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:35.160 dial in Because the reason I say that is, you 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.640 gotta turn with the times or the time's gonna turn 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.560 on you. But you gotta do it in your way 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.479 and your and keep it in your jurisdiction, it within 0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:46.680 your envelope and make it you because, like I say, 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:48.279 during it, it was a it was a time in 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:52.359 the Bay Area. It was called the Heifi movement right 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.759 due to people like my man, Rick Rock, Droopy and 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.839 so on and so forth, tracks Million, and a whole 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:03.120 bunch of other producers. The beats was up to became 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.879 up Temple, especially Rick Rock, because I mean Rick Rock 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.239 had him up Temple and that's I'm like, man, all 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.800 you gotta do it's just spit what's going on. You 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.000 know what I'm saying. In your way, Spit it. You 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.080 ain't lying. Tell what's going on. Put some game in there. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.400 A few boys, you know, do your thing and just 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.480 do it on the up Temple beat. A lot of cats. Man, 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.800 I ain't with that, man, it's just mob music. I'm nigga. 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:26.600 I'm the one who made my music. I created that 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.520 meat legit and at Banks and studio telling and Mike 0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.279 Moseley and say I'm Boston and Rick Rocking all us. 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.520 You know, what I'm saying right going down the line. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:38.000 But I'm just saying, like we we were just doing something. 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.400 We were adjusting to the times. It's different times. We 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:44.120 gotta be innovators. So up temple Beats spitting that good 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.560 old spitting straight gasoline over them. It's where it's that 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.880 because the cats was like, man, I ain't with that. Man, 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:53.120 I'm keeping they were stubborn. I'm like, man, you ain't stubborn. 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:54.759 You just don't know how to do it. Are you 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:56.800 just gonna want to put your brain to do it? 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.000 You know what I'm saying a lot of people got 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:02.200 stuck in the mud, not trying to adapt. And I 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.520 stayed with the youngsters and the new generation and still 0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.920 with me and out gassing motherfuckers. And still to this day, 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.560 I'm a half a century years old and I still 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.359 wrap circles around the majority of the mother For your 0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:22.160 favorite rappers, trust that who haven't you worked with that 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:24.560 you would like to work with, as far as maybe 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.360 a collab, maybe a producer, because I think it was 0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.120 somebody that I think it was doctor Dre. I don't 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.040 know if you've done anything with doctor Dre. And you 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.560 said you would like to like to do something with 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:37.520 doctor Dre and you would think that, hell, he from Cali, 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.160 I'm from Cali. We'd have linked up at some point 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.840 in time by now, but it just hasn't happened. I 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.960 really don't think doctor Dre mean anything by it. It's 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.000 just I'm not. I don't stay in LA. I'm the base. 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.359 So I think if I was closer to him, I've 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.960 been a doctor Doctor Dre. I loved me being around him, 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:55.919 you know what I mean. That's how I feel because 0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.920 I'm a character. I'm a good person. I ain't scanned this, 0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.520 so none of that ships, you know what I'm saying. 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.360 Just a creative person he created. I'm creative, but I 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.000 figure man. Like I say, as you get older, you 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.560 get wiser, and with age comes wisdom. I'm like, you 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.759 know that they might come, it might come. Have you 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.960 picked up white what? Have you picked up the phone 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.919 and tried to reach out? I mean, you know, we tried. 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.680 We tried before, you know, we tried. We tried to 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.400 do a song. Actually I did. He sent me a 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.319 song through my man's silk and me and being short 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.400 and guess what, and we never did go all the 0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.640 way through with it. It wasn't me or him. We 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.840 don't know what happened, but that beat never because you know, 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.080 dress sitting on some beats, He's sitting on some good songs. 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:34.680 They say there's a lot of songs he got in 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.520 the vote that he ain't put it out for yet. 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.399 You know what people been on, you know what I'm saying. 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.680 And so I was like, okay, so one of them, 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.600 one of them songs. You know, I was like, oh, 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.360 I can't waste these lyrics. I'm gonna use this on 0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:50.400 another song, right, you know, But that ain't why me 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.520 and it ain't that ain't why. It's just we just 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.200 haven't had a chance to connect. But he is on 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:58.560 Mount Westmore on one of them. He got on the 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.240 song for Mount Westmore me he Snoop Dog too short 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.360 and Ice cued. He did do that because you know 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:06.719 that's Snoop, that's Snoop and and Ice cue. Real friend, 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.160 you know what I'm saying. I got I got respected 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.640 love for him, you know what I'm saying. But you know, 0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.719 when we have, you know, met and ran across each other, 0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:20.040 it's nothing but love and respect. You started this Bay thing, 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.800 but one of the biggest Bay Area rappers is Tupac 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.640 and and a lot of people have him on their mouth, 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.600 rush more than you have a very unique You can 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.400 tell stories about Tupac that very few people can because 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.600 you knew him on a different level. You knew him 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:37.600 back there before he blew up and became Tupac Death 0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.680 Road Tupac talk to us about POC and how did 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.719 he pushed you to become the rapper you became. Well, 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:46.680 I think we pushed each other because he grew up 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.920 on me. But at the same time he became he 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.920 blossom quicker than me, right and I and I grew 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.520 up on It was artists that started there before me 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:58.359 as well, Like shout out to mc hammer, yeah hammer, Yeah, 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.719 you know, but I've always been there, like you know, 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.600 I'm just eighty eight, like music on the Shelson's eighty 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:05.600 eight that ain't too hard to you know, it ain't 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.680 too many, you know. I just didn't blow up right 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.920 then and there. My mine came a year and a 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.880 half later. I started, you know, when I came with 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:13.759 you know the ship that the fuck with your Brain 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.359 and less Side and mister Flamboyant and all that good stuff, 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.520 and they just start taking off from there. You know 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:23.239 what I mean. But I would say, man, so many, 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.719 so many stories. Let's see it. Let's see. I'll tell 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.200 you about a phone conversation. You know what I'm saying, 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.080 because I tell a lot of other stuff when we 0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:39.040 and you know together, the phone conversation. You know, he 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:41.799 was just telling me I probably talked about this before. 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:43.640 He was like, hey, forty because we was going to 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.600 hang up on the phone. We was talking and then 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.120 we're going to hang up, and he says, oh, fu 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.440 fall I meant to tell you, man, uh, you might 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.640 want to invest in this, you know, and this this 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:53.759 this thing. I came with an ideal. Man, I want 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.239 to call. You know, they got planned in Hollywood. I think, 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:57.840 I think I want to do something. Call. You know 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.040 what I'm saying. Gangster cafe. Man. When you know you 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.840 have all the casters like you know, Al Capone and 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:06.320 Lucky Luciano and you know, all these cats on the walls. 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:08.680 But it's a it's a it's a cafe. It's you 0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:11.520 they serving food, they got you know, they playing music 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:13.759 from the Rolling twenties or whatever, you know what I'm saying, 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.320 or whatever whenever that era was. And you know what 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:18.120 I'm saying he was. He had it laid out, He 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.000 had that ideal, and that was interesting because he wanted 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.440 all the he wanted all his partners to invest in 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:25.840 it and what not. And he had the vision. And 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:27.680 now if he did something like that, he had had 0:42:27.719 --> 0:42:30.360 the money. He had raised that money. You know what 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.560 I'm saying. He had raised that money. He'll put h 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.080 start with fun and it'll be all the fixtures to 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:37.560 get in and like this is owned by you know, 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:39.719 forty and a whole bunch of other cats, you know 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.120 what I'm saying. So it's just the opportunities. He wasn't 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:43.920 there at the time, but he had all the visions 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:45.680 and he was ahead of his time, and he did 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.879 so much and so little time. The man was only 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:52.280 twenty five years old. And let me tell you something. 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.000 And he got that bay in I mean, player about 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.320 it for show. The way he carried itself, you know 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.239 all that. You know what I'm saying. Man, the man 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:04.320 with the man was a fashion like the way he was. 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.200 He was a real true thug with it, but a 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:10.040 GQ looking thug like the way he carried itself, the 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.840 way he dressed his whole heavy you know, what I'm saying, 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.520 you know, that's that was the look. That's all of 0:43:16.600 --> 0:43:19.320 us worth a side. And the field shirts and I 0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.160 had a feel him too, fat. I had a field 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.800 of them on field shirts with that print. That was 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.319 that was, that was what was in at the time. 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.239 You feel that was real? Bossy? What what what made 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:32.400 Park special in the rap game? What? What? What was 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:36.400 so unique about him? Because if you think about Brenda 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.200 had a baby and he uh, you talked about he 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.920 talked about the song I forget about his mom, Uh 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.960 dear mom. I think that was uh, But anyway he 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.040 talked about I mean, yeah, he talked about the violence 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.680 and the drugs and all that stuff. But he talked 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:56.120 about real life, you know, how Brenda, how he gave up, 0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:00.480 you know, got pregnant at thirteen fourteen, and the love 0:44:00.600 --> 0:44:05.120 for his mam. What made him so unique. He talked 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.560 about the street, He talked of his vision, his storytelling. 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:18.799 He uh, you know, being from you know, black panther background, 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:20.719 his mom and you know all that stuff. He was 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:24.120 like a rebel, you know. And one thing he touched 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.839 on was the octagon, you know, the trap, the case. 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.080 You know what I'm saying, The soil, the hood, the 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.880 you know what I'm saying, the smudge, you know, And 0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:35.440 that's that's that's that's what he that's and that's what 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:40.080 made him so unique. And he uplift male and female 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.400 spirits because you know, a touched home with the stuff 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.719 he was saying. Yes, you know what I mean. And 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:47.719 that's what made him so dope. And he and he 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.080 did a lot of what they called pain wrap. He 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.000 was doing that way back then. That's why we all 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:56.000 felt it, you know, we all felt it. And and 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.600 that's what he specialized in. That's why his music lasted 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.080 so long. That's why you got to consider him the 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:03.520 greatest rapper of all times. It's not it ain't what 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:05.560 just what he just did in the vocal booth, but 0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:09.000 him being an actor, a poet like you know what 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.880 I'm saying, doing poetry, uh, you know he did, and 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:15.680 just being a leader like if you you know right now, 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:24.080 you know during this whole plandemic, you know, during the 0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:29.319 during the and the protester, Yeah, you know, he would 0:45:29.320 --> 0:45:32.239 be on the front line with the biggest mouth, yes, 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:36.239 with a bullhorn, with hell of people behind him. You 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.239 know what I'm saying. That man was ahead of his time, bro. 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:43.200 And and you know, I hate when people don't give 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.919 people the roses when they alive. You know what I'm saying, 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.279 give people they roses, man, you know, because you look 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:51.400 back and just be like, man, he man, how did 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.600 they do all that? You know what I'm saying? He 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:55.239 did so much and so a little time. And looking 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.600 how long his albums lasted. Yeah, you know, look how 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:02.400 long they lasted after he after he passed, it was 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:05.640 so much music out there, bro, Yeah, it's gonna be 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.440 a party. Is hard to define a rap album. That's 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:12.000 harder than all lives on me and then you Baby, 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:18.600 I was on come on. That was a that was special. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.880 And like you said, he was twenty five. If you 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:25.040 look at he and Biggie, Biggie was bigger, had like 0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:27.920 basically a two two year, two and a half three 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:31.480 year career park even though he was with Digital Underground. 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.640 I'm talking about have a solo. I mean, he didn't 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.840 have a decade. He didn't have twenty years like a 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:41.000 lot of these rappers had. Can't you imagine if he 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:44.480 had a decade or a twenty year run he and 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:48.279 Biggie what the rap game would have been. Some time 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.000 got on one of them upstairs. Early man. I figured 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:55.360 he wanted the angels looking over people like myself and 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.359 a whole bunch of other Cassett you know what I'm saying. 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.120 He called him in early man, you know, and I 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.200 can imagine he would have. I mean, he'd be a 0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:06.600 billionaire for sure. He'd be a billionaire because he was 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.080 very intelligent and he wanted to learn. He wanted to 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.680 learn from white people and other people like he wanted 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.480 but he wanted to be He would have probably you 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:17.080 never know what he would It was groundbreaking things. His 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.359 mind was so deep and he and he loved his people. 0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.239 He loved he loved, he loved what he what he 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.439 is black, you know what I'm saying. But he knew, 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:31.000 you know, he would have been that rebellious slave that 0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.000 would have been learning how to read behind you know, 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.040 behind closed doors. Like now you say that he didn't give. 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:37.960 He wouldn't have cared about in his back whip and 0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.239 shit like that. Like he let his nuts hang over 0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.200 his shoulder. He was with it. He he had heart man, period, 0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:47.799 you know, so man, I can imagine him right now, 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:51.400 man a billionaire And salute to Jay Z. Too mentions, 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.040 I love everything JJ is doing. Man, I really, I 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.920 really I respect him as being a real man and 0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.920 a you know, a great husband been. You know, he 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:03.600 loves his queen. They like they teamwork, make the dream work, 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:05.160 you know what I'm saying that, and they rocking. You 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:08.400 know what I'm saying, I love great examples of an 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:13.840 Afro American. How were you able to stay out of 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:20.400 away from the West coast East coast battle that inevitably 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.840 claim bigger claim Tupac. We see a lot of it 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:28.000 because before before bigg and Tupacs, rappers weren't getting killed. 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:30.600 They were pillars of the community. They were like they 0:48:30.640 --> 0:48:33.600 were to be protected. And now you see ex extension. 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.759 You see pop smoke, you saw bigg and Tupac. You see. 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.759 I'm like, they supposed to be they supposed to be 0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.520 off limits for do you know when we were growing up, 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.279 there were certain people that were off limits. They were 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:53.160 untouchable in the community. Yeah, you know, I stayed prayed 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.200 up just every because I prayed before. I like, if 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:59.200 I got a certain phone call to make to somebody 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.640 or sit down, I try to ask God the guide 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.359 my thinking process and my tongue to say the right 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.839 things and hope that the other person that I'm talking 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.560 to are the other people that I'm talking to, uh, 0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.400 and take it the right way and we work it 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:19.640 out because communication is everything, right, you know what I'm saying. 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:23.319 So I would always I tripped because even I'm from 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:24.840 the West Coast, you know, they used to call me 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:26.480 the West Coast Biggie. You know what I'm saying. You 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:28.680 had Biggie over there, but he wore a kango, I 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.840 wold kango even though he was younger than me. You 0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:33.560 know what I'm saying. I was wearing kangos when I 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:37.320 was you know, fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old, and I 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:38.959 used to get him from the NB mall and he's 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:42.200 my mall, you know what I'm saying. And then Berkeley 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.560 at the Berkeley hat shot, She's what I'm saying. Like 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:47.840 anyway to make a long story, shure, we kind of 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:49.440 was sim you know, but that was the look, you 0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:51.080 know what I'm saying. We had. We were the same 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:55.440 kind of But the thing is is that I actually, 0:49:56.239 --> 0:50:00.200 you know, I was like, let me, let me, let me, 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:02.040 let me, let me, let me see, let me kick 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:05.479 back and watch how everything folds. With with the East 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.279 Coast stay because I would go to New I would 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:10.120 go to New York and getting them with love, like 0:50:10.239 --> 0:50:11.680 you know, I was with Jive Records. That was my 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.640 distribution I was with. So I'm out there and I'm 0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.200 out there in New York and it's like I'm just walking, 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:19.080 you know, down the street, like going to get something 0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:20.880 to eat of something, and I would maybe something some 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.960 representatives from Jive, you know, showing me you're, you know, 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.320 on our way too, because everything is walking distance and 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.600 everything when you're going into these big buildings and all 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.720 that stuff like that. So I'm like everybody just blowing 0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:37.200 the horn and shit, Foti folty man, we fuck with you, bro, 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.160 We fuck with you, bro. Like you wouldn't know that 0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:42.120 it's so much. It's really a lot of love out 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.320 there that we haven't collected. I went to Harlem. I 0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:47.480 called me and my man Dave House. We all went 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:50.640 to We went to uh. We called the u uh 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.680 not the bark the subways we called we could we 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:58.200 called the subways and went to Harlem. From Manhattan to Harlem, 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:01.239 man when I got off, when I got out of 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.799 when I got off the subway and walking down up 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.040 you know what was that? It's that one hundred and 0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:08.880 ten hundred and fifth Street. What street is that the 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.960 main one in Harlem? What Sylvia's at and all that. 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:15.400 I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, if you 0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:17.800 walk it down that thing, man, it's so much love. 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:21.160 This is during the during the time when the ship, 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:23.719 all of East Coast ship and all that. It's so 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.919 much love, you know what I'm saying, Like they fuck 0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:28.680 with certain people. I know. If I was from the 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:31.640 East Coast and I've seen E. Forty from the West Coast, 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:35.640 and I watched his movement and watched how how different 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.759 he is and how you carry itself and shit like that. 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.959 Because I'm not a shit starter, you know what I'm saying. 0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:42.400 I ain't in all that shit. That ship don't move me. 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.799 I'm not with that, you know what I'm saying. If 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:46.719 I watched how you carried itself and I met him, 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:48.520 I'd be like, man, I want to meet that brother, 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.120 like and I've seen him, I want to meet him. 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.000 I would like me. I would like E. Forty because 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:57.080 I'm a unique dude, you know what I'm saying. And 0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:00.040 I'm dope, you know, And I carried myself, you know, 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.640 in an an intelligent way. You know. So it's like 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:05.680 I just had a numb but love bro, you know. So, 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.000 I don't know, man, I just got let me see 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:11.640 all eras of hip hop. I've seen it all. I'm 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.439 talking all of it. I've seen it all. The only 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.279 parts I missed was maybe you know the South Bronx days, 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:22.160 the days when you know of you know, Mellie Mayle 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:24.719 and them, you know, back when they were shooting them 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:29.200 videos back in you know, but I watched it. Yeah, 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:31.480 but we've seen it. That's bought it off. How they 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:34.800 had they moved. Daddy Came. Now I'm in that movement. 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:38.400 I loved you. Yeah you were big Yeah Big Daddy 0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:44.480 eight Yeah, I love I love that era. You know 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:47.000 what I'm saying. Who Daddy Came was one of my 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.439 favorite rappers still is. I don't you know. I would 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:51.400 love to hear some music from him today because he 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:53.799 I like to swag. He was real player. Hair cut 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:55.799 him and Scoop and Scrap Lover the way they used 0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:57.680 to dance and ship like they were real player. He 0:52:57.719 --> 0:52:59.839 had Big Daddy Cane was real player about his ship. 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:01.800 You know what I'm saying, I used to watch all that, 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.239 you know, Cougi rapping all of them to sit. What 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.440 was that group called was they called the Syndicate not 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.880 to sendicate, It was all of them. They did a 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.360 video with the cowboy hats on and everything. It was 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:17.879 Oh my god, Ace, Ace was in it. Oh man? 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:21.880 Uh that was that was That was the go. That 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.560 was the beginning. That was the beginning of the Golden 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:28.840 Era because you had that from like eighty six and 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.640 then you had that movement like you mentioned a KrF one, 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:36.879 you had Eric being rock him uh ep m D. Yeah, 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:42.200 I mean you had I mean, who watch it? Come 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:45.320 on easy? Look look what about East mc shann and 0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:48.239 them bro. A lot of people don't I used to 0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:52.080 watch mc shy d. People don't know was the first 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:55.239 rapper out of Atlanta ever, I'm about a star, you 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:59.839 know what I'm saying. He had slaps. Yeah. I used 0:53:59.840 --> 0:54:02.840 to I, Hey, Lou Skywalker when I'm at Grandma State University. 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:04.880 And then we used to go we was hiphi. We 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.279 used we used to go dumb in eighty six eighty 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:12.399 seven to to th that dick that dick louse Skywalker there. Yeah, 0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.439 cool like us. I watched up so much of hip hop. 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.120 You know, back then we would just tune into the 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:22.319 TV watching video soul, watching all the outlets. And then 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.160 when MTV started playing hip hop, that just took the kick. 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:29.759 We loved it, you know what I mean. And I mean, man, 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:36.600 twenty one, when East Coast you had the West Coast, 0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:38.440 you had the East Coast, and all of a sudden 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.720 there was the Southern rap that came onto the scene, 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:46.239 Little John. How did you and Little John connect to 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:50.440 start making music? Well, I used to love to get 0:54:50.480 --> 0:54:53.600 a boys. Yeah, all of them casts out there, man, 0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:56.879 you know three two and them, you know three two 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.719 and Big Mike them and all of them. Kill the 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.000 Houston cast U he used the cat you know, Bud, 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.920 you know all my folks man, all right, Pete then 0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:08.719 was my real folks to this day, you feel me 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:14.320 like so, I hooked up with Little John. I remember 0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:18.120 he had a song because I like them guys. But 0:55:18.239 --> 0:55:20.640 this his guy, his guy was too short, too short. 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.960 Me being on the road a lot of shows I 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.920 would do with too short and spice one people of 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.640 people like that, you know what I'm saying. And Little 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.080 John to be on the road with too short and 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:34.759 I would always you know, chop it up with him 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:36.920 and this, that and the third, and I was like, 0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:39.600 so little John just started just winning, start just having 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.640 hell of slaps. I said, Man, we waved past, dude, 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:43.920 let's get in there, you know what I'm saying. We 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:45.600 did a song called Repio City. I was in a 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.360 few of his videos before that. Then I was in 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.080 then then he did Repio City with me Pete Pablo. 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:55.279 I think, yeah, Repio City. That was a pretty big 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.719 song and a man and that was Darrel was during 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.919 the time when it was kind of like a drop 0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.200 during the out here in the Bay Area. I had 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.200 mustard and mayonnaise out and it was like two thousand 0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.480 and two, I believe, and you know, so it was like, 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.759 but that's I was hitting big in the Midwest and 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.160 the South with that song, you know what I'm saying. 0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:15.600 And so that was the beginning of our relationship for 0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:18.000 us being good, you know, knowing that we can make 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:21.720 good music together. And uh, and our friendship became closer, 0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:26.440 you know, and he stayed solid, man. And so two 0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.920 thousand and three, Uh, my distribution deal was up with 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:34.080 Jive Records, and so I was like, I asked God, 0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:37.520 you know what should I do? And he a voice 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.680 came to me like call Little John, Like call Little John, 0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.200 and I hit him on the two way pages. Back 0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:47.319 then we had two way pages. I say, call me, man, 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.800 I'm out of my deal. Let's talk. You know what 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:52.399 I'm saying. He was like, you out of your deal? 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:55.719 He said. I say yeah. He say, uh, he say, man, 0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.279 let me call my people. I'm gonna call you right back. 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:01.279 He called me back within the Lisa hour, and all 0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:04.320 his people agreed, you know, all all the bm E staff, 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:08.239 you know what I'm saying. And so he was like, 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.239 he said, they're ready to do it. Send me, send 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:14.400 me your lawyer a contact, right And that's when I 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:17.560 did a deal with with Little John and bm ME 0:57:17.680 --> 0:57:21.920 click and my my my career, and you know, my 0:57:22.080 --> 0:57:25.720 career just started all over again. More, it wasn't over 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:30.200 because I was still I was still popping. The attention 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.560 wasn't on the West coast. So all that time, the 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:36.520 attention wasn't on the West coast, mainly the Bay area. 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.080 The attention wasn't on the Bay Area. So I'm holding 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.880 on like a hub cap in the fast Land right right, 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:46.240 And so you know, like I say, if you just 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:52.320 keep playing your position, staying solid, great things happen. You 0:57:52.400 --> 0:57:55.520 know what I'm saying. Man, You know, I'll go. I'll 0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:58.040 go to the studio and stank on your studio which 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:03.520 is Outcasts Studio, and you got full Scrappy and all 0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:07.280 all the young generation be and me clicking there working 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:11.040 in different studios and whatnot. And uh, they all showing 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.360 me love, were kicking and were drinking the whole while. 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:15.280 And it was time for me to work the next day. 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:18.000 So I go in there and I get out and 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:20.320 I you know, I put me and Scrappy and we 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:22.720 did some songs together, and all of us we all 0:58:22.760 --> 0:58:26.600 worked together, and I just went full fledged ahead and 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:28.880 knocked it down because they got me like a It 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:31.520 wasn't an air b it wasn't Airbnb, but they've rented 0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:34.920 out apartment that I was living in for three weeks 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.960 and I took advantage that three weeks in Atlanta, and 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:43.280 I went crazy every day in the studio. Our sessions 0:58:43.320 --> 0:58:45.360 were starting at twelve at night all the way to 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:48.880 twelve in afternoon. You feel me right, And then we 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:54.920 head over to busy bees. Are used to get back 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:57.600 You know what I used to. I used to get 0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:00.400 to the turkey, the turkey turkey. Oh you gotta ta 0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:04.080 mother turkey wings. Hell yeah. And I love smother chicken 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.920 anything smother go good with me, right, I'm with it. Right, 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:12.120 So that shit out, man, we did it. And then 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.440 he took us to so He'll say, so one day 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.480 we went to Beautifuls. He said, we're going the BEAUTIFULS. 0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:21.200 I say, Beautifuls. He said, yeah, watch thing it's called Beautifuls. 0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:23.040 And he was like, we went there and they had 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:27.200 whiting fish, you know fish, They had grits with cheese 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.040 in it and all that. They had all the salmon 0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:34.200 salmon cakes tunic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey bro, you 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.080 know I told you man, that's just kind of stuff 0:59:36.520 --> 0:59:39.480 I rock with, you know, So we're not that, He'll say, Man, 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.640 took today. We're gonna do all up tempers, do all 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:44.480 all temple songs. I've said this before, but I just 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:47.640 loved John's uh you know, he was my tutor. He 0:59:47.760 --> 0:59:50.720 taught me. He was like, you know what, that's dope 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:53.480 right there. Take that ad lip off. That's why my 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:57.400 Guttle Report Card album was so great because it wasn't 0:59:57.600 --> 1:00:00.400 overly done like you know, I'm so creative. I'm all 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:02.760 over the place even here. Make me do it and 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.080 in me being open minded. No, this man got hella 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:09.240 hits up under me. I'm open minded. So I'm listening 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:11.120 to him. He like, you know what, I can put 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.120 a drop in that song right there in that verse 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:14.960 and make it sound dope. But I think you can 1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:17.680 come better, and I'm open minded. I just come better. 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.960 I just come a new And that's the problem. I'm 1:00:19.960 --> 1:00:23.200 not bigheaded. I'm I'm you know, I'm open minded. If 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:26.800 you listen, if you're listening and learn, you know what 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:29.600 I'm saying. Things work out the best. Bro. We made 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:32.880 that motherfucking album a classic. My getting report card with nothing. 1:00:32.960 --> 1:00:35.120 But I can sing a whole show. I can do 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:38.280 a whole twenty minute segments show, twenty five minutes. I 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.640 can do twenty five minutes to thirty minutes on just 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:44.200 that album along. That's how many slaps it had, you know, 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:47.280 from fucking you know, go harder, go home to you 1:00:47.400 --> 1:00:49.400 and that booty to tell me when the goal to 1:00:50.320 --> 1:00:52.479 back you hit it at the part when you ain't 1:00:52.560 --> 1:00:55.000 found it, you hit the part with that one. Come on, 1:00:55.440 --> 1:00:57.720 you can cry. He dread from shake Off. I ain't 1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:00.880 got I'm growing up. I was just talking about I 1:01:01.000 --> 1:01:04.040 wasn't really gonna grow none until I said this shit, hello, funny, 1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:06.080 let me just fuck with it. Did because everybody in 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:10.760 the Bay Area had dreadlocks. Yeah, not one person, not 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:14.520 one rapper, everybody, right, you feel me? So all I'm 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:18.200 doing is adapting to my soil. So what was so 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.360 beautiful about it is I had high fee movement over 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:25.120 here I was part of. I participated in and I 1:01:25.240 --> 1:01:28.439 also participated in the snap movement. We'll snap your fingers 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:30.720 with Little John New you know what it's on and 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:33.240 so forth. So I was just it was just a 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:36.240 great space. And I never let up. Like I tell people, 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:38.760 anytime you get you you know you got some momentum. 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:41.680 You not take your foot off the gas man, keep 1:01:41.720 --> 1:01:43.800 your foot on the gas stop playing. Then that you 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:45.960 and that booty, that's about that. I feel like that too, 1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:50.200 that you're better give me your mother something. Come on, 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.880 they don't even know that's Candy from from the Atlanta 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:55.600 house Wives on the on the hook? Oh is it? 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:58.240 That's her? That's her singing and everything that's her, that's 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:00.720 her on their teeth pain. So she came in and 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:02.680 did her part in the middle. She in the visit 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:05.520 India and everything. Candy, that's that's the folks right there. 1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:08.080 Oh man, Candy Burry. I didn't know that. Ye, she 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:09.920 got the platinum. She got the platinum thing on the 1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:12.360 wall and everything. Answered the show that one day she 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.400 showed it to you on the show. Say take me 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:16.680 over to that platinum you and that booty motherfucking up 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:20.000 or I a approved album, you know what I'm saying. 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:23.360 Platinum certified. You know what I'm saying. That thing with 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:27.040 night You mentioned that you went to Grambling, Now I 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:32.560 mean Grambling Louisiana. Graham Lewis in Louisiana. You're from the 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.400 West coast. Did you did you feel a lot of 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:39.040 players because they they they ain't help, they ain't on 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:42.080 they went on game, you know, like like Falty Water 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:44.680 being from the Bay. Yeah. I was looking at the 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:48.440 old pictures the Bensworth sent me the other day, and 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:52.120 I'm looking at the California picture. It had like the 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:55.800 California car, all the cats from California, and I'm looking 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:59.080 at it and I'm like, I see I see waldro Binsworth, 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:01.840 the third junior. I see be Legit and I see 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:04.400 myself and I'm looking at we all in the we 1:03:04.560 --> 1:03:07.680 all on one side. And I sent to my wife, 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:10.680 I say, who who who? Who the most swagged out 1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:13.520 motherfucker's on here? And she circled it because I sent 1:03:13.600 --> 1:03:16.480 the picture to her text. He just and it was us, right, 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.080 It was me be Legit and Water were so motherfucking 1:03:19.480 --> 1:03:21.360 you could tell we were from the Bay. You feel 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.920 me like you could just tell were swagging. I can 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:25.640 show you up because I could send that picture to you, 1:03:25.680 --> 1:03:27.640 you would be like, oh, the motherfucker's yeah, you can 1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:29.800 tell that. You can see the difference, right, We was 1:03:29.880 --> 1:03:33.280 gamed up. It's something about us, right, But yeah. I 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:37.960 went to Gramlin and we met a lot of good friends. 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:42.200 To this day, I was just talking to my boy, 1:03:42.360 --> 1:03:44.880 Reggie Pugh. You know what I'm saying, out of out 1:03:45.040 --> 1:03:47.360 out of Oakland. You know what I'm saying. He from 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:50.400 Oakland and uh and uh he was solid all the 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:52.360 way through and he and my friend to this day, 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.520 you know what I'm saying that he Uh, we met 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:57.440 all kinds of people from the Bear, from Epa, Marin 1:03:57.600 --> 1:04:00.560 City all and we all clicked up. We had our 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:02.560 Valleo partners out there too. I went out there with 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:05.720 three with two Valleo casts, my man DII Davis and 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:09.240 Brand Jones, which is being legit right, Well, we all 1:04:09.440 --> 1:04:13.040 drove out there and and and be legits yellow Mustang 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:16.280 five point zero hit fifty. You feel me right, you 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:19.520 slid out there, you know. So it was we met 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:21.600 a lot of good people and we kind of like 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:24.240 we like I said, we already got that cup. I 1:04:24.320 --> 1:04:28.000 had My great grandma, my granddaddy's mama, stayed out there 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:31.440 and we stayed at her house for three days. And 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:34.360 rust In, Louisiana, Yeah, I know exactly where the yep. 1:04:34.440 --> 1:04:35.960 I had a couple of teammates that are in the 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:39.000 NFL that played that were from Rustin, right, and that's 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:41.800 only twenty minutes from Grambland, you know. And so we 1:04:41.920 --> 1:04:44.040 stayed at her house for three days. The reason is 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:49.040 she she worked at this cafe in Rustin. Huh. We 1:04:49.120 --> 1:04:50.800 have a take. I think a lot of taken in 1:04:50.880 --> 1:04:55.560 rustus think it is yep, it is yep. And so Granny, 1:04:56.400 --> 1:05:00.120 so my great great grandmama, she stayed. She she she 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:03.160 would go to work every morning and she said, y'all 1:05:03.200 --> 1:05:06.000 just make sure y'all clean behind y'allself. She had, she said, 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:08.240 here's the food. She had a freezer, the kind in 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:11.680 the ground, I mean on the like, Yeah, the food 1:05:12.280 --> 1:05:14.680 she had, and she had a regular frigerator. She had 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:16.600 hall a good ass food in there. I think she 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:19.320 just went and bought it for us. It was called 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:21.960 it's called a deep freezer, a deep freezer. And it 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:24.960 was food. It was it was. It was food I've 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:28.120 never seen in my life. Like it was chicken patties 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:30.240 fried already that you could just put in the oven, 1:05:30.280 --> 1:05:32.640 and like it was you know, you gotta remember, I'm 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:35.480 a teenager. I'm eighteen, you know what I'm like. We're 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:37.800 looking at it. And she her house was spotless, and 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:40.880 she lived by herself. Oh she was like seventy seven 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:42.440 back then. You know what I'm saying. She'd live to 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:45.680 be ninety four. You know what I'm saying. But anyway, 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:48.520 we waited, And the reason we stayed at her house 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:50.920 for three days is because we had to wait for 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:53.680 our dorm rooms. We had to make the register, getting 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:56.160 our classes all at right, you know what I'm saying. 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:57.680 We didn't want to mess up, so we we we 1:05:57.840 --> 1:05:59.439 we wanted to get there a couple of days early. 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:03.120 So that's how we did it. And so I it 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:06.360 was so many people that we connected with out there, 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:09.520 and the New Orleans casts and Luisia, the New Orleans 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:14.400 and Baton Rouge cast. We had became close. A guy 1:06:14.440 --> 1:06:17.600 by the name of Jubilee, very known out there in 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:20.920 New Orleans. You know what, man Alfred Peyton, you know 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:24.320 what I mean. Alfred Peyton. Me and him got into 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:26.600 it back in the days, and me and him solid 1:06:26.720 --> 1:06:29.440 like this. Now I got nothing beloved respect for him. 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:31.720 He picked me up at the airport right before the plandemic, 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:34.120 you know, for the Balu Classic and all that stuff 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:37.240 last year, you know what I'm saying. So it's like 1:06:37.480 --> 1:06:40.720 we but we all became close. And then it's like 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:45.080 there's so many other people from not rappers, but people 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:49.040 from Florida, Detroit, all these casts. You meet all them 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.680 people and you stay close with him for many years. 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:54.480 So anyway, make a long story short of short story long. 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:56.280 I didn't feel out of place, but I did. I 1:06:56.360 --> 1:06:59.560 will tell you this. I used to have a perm 1:06:59.600 --> 1:07:02.360 before I before I went to Grammar. All my way 1:07:02.440 --> 1:07:04.920 up there, I cut my perm in Arizona, you know, 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:07.240 because my wife went to beauty school too, and so 1:07:07.680 --> 1:07:09.240 I used to do my perm but I cut it 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:11.560 all my way up there. I was a skinny dude, 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:13.640 and you know, it was on my shoulder. I used 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:15.680 to call the Lord Jesus Perl because it used to hang. 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:19.000 It used to dangle right here. Yeah. Boy, Dean was like, man, 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:20.760 you know we're going to go to the South. You know, 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:22.520 we don't know if they could be thinking. You know, 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:24.800 we know we West Coast. We know we play a player, 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:26.400 and when we don't know how they're gonna be thinking 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:28.960 about you, you know, with a permit, you know. And 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.040 I was like, I thought about it. I was like, 1:07:31.320 --> 1:07:33.240 and I hadn't had my hair done in a couple 1:07:33.240 --> 1:07:35.760 of days, a few days, so, you know, because my 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:37.560 wife would do it. This shit, you know what I'm saying. 1:07:37.640 --> 1:07:40.280 So all I shit, Man, I might want to cut 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:43.760 my ship. Man go to Arizona. We stopped out of Motel. 1:07:44.400 --> 1:07:46.480 I broke it down Motel. I said, man, let's let's 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:48.680 get some clippers. Man, let's go, let me cut this ship. 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:51.200 I cut that ship ball. When I went to Grammar, 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.480 I go to the I get in line to get 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:56.960 my food when I'm up there, I had I had 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:58.560 an ear ring in my ears. I didn't have too 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:00.560 I had one in the left ear because back then 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:02.520 you could only have it in your left ear right. 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:04.200 You know you can't. I mean, it was to each 1:08:04.240 --> 1:08:06.160 his own, but that was that was a proper thing 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:07.800 to do with put in your left ear right, you 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.000 know what I'm saying. So even with me having it 1:08:10.080 --> 1:08:14.520 in my left ear, I'm in the lady did the 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:16.800 older lady in the in the line for the lunch 1:08:17.160 --> 1:08:19.640 and to serve you the food. She was she was 1:08:19.720 --> 1:08:21.680 whispering to the other lady and be legit, and all 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:23.559 of them heard the things like she was like looking 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:25.800 at boy, looking at looking at the ring, boy look 1:08:25.800 --> 1:08:35.160 at I'm like, boy, them o them old ladies, them 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:38.240 old the old heads. They did not like seeing guys 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:41.240 with ear ring being left ear right ear or either 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:44.559 or they no, sir, they didn't like it, bro, they 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:46.760 didn't like it. I still kept my mother fucking ear 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:49.040 ring in my left ear. I was like, fuck you, 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:51.439 I had too much respect. I wouldn't go say that 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:53.360 to her, but in my mind, I'm like, fuck you. 1:08:53.760 --> 1:08:56.400 You know what I'm saying. I just I just I 1:08:56.479 --> 1:08:59.040 just ignored it, you know, just kept it rushing you. 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:02.599 For what I try to tell people about black college 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:04.639 because I went to an HBCU and went to Savannah 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:09.320 State University. Yeah, there's nothing like homecoming because it's like 1:09:09.439 --> 1:09:12.759 a gigantic family reunion. You got people, you got classes 1:09:12.800 --> 1:09:14.880 coming back to class of sixty eight, the class of 1:09:15.000 --> 1:09:18.320 seventy eight, the class of nineteen eighty two, they're coming 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:24.000 back and eight we family, the step shows, the walk 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:26.880 across the yard. Being in my mind, I was in 1:09:27.000 --> 1:09:28.920 my mind, I was a cute dog. In my mind. 1:09:30.240 --> 1:09:33.840 I used to hang with them dudes. They was cool. Hey. 1:09:34.120 --> 1:09:36.439 And you know on the yard you got you got 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:38.720 the Greek and the saw rob hearts, they got him, 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:40.599 got him sitting in there, they're doing their step thing, 1:09:40.680 --> 1:09:43.120 they practicing, getting ready for the step shows that we 1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:47.160 can for I tell people, ain't nothing like that experience. 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:50.000 I wouldn't trade that experience for anything me. I wouldn't 1:09:50.040 --> 1:09:52.120 chade trade. I'm so glad I went because I wasn't 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:55.720 playing on going to college. Being legit said he's gonna go, 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:58.360 and I was like, I'm gonna go to there. You 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:03.760 you know what I'm saying I'm going to You know 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:06.400 what I'm saying. I went. It was the best thing 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:08.920 ever I can ever do. Bro It talks you. It 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:10.400 teach you how to be a man too. You know 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:13.439 you're watching your own stuff. You gotta go, you know, yes, yes, 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:15.800 you know what I'm saying. You know the wash house 1:10:15.880 --> 1:10:17.880 is further down on the campus, way down there. You 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:20.400 gotta get your bag. And you know what I'm saying. 1:10:20.920 --> 1:10:24.560 The whole who what, Yeah, we was doing it. I 1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:27.840 hadn't master p on yesterday. And he talked about you, 1:10:28.560 --> 1:10:32.160 and he made special reference to your uncle, Saint Charles. 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:35.840 He talked about how you and him and especially your 1:10:35.920 --> 1:10:38.720 uncle Saint Charles hooked him onto the game, to the 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:43.120 distribution deal. Talk to talk to us about that time 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:47.040 in your life and in Pea's life, about what your 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:50.160 uncle did for you, for you, for him, and how 1:10:50.800 --> 1:10:53.240 that was the start of He said, that's the start 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:55.599 of my business. Right there, when I started thinking like, Okay, 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:58.720 I can do this, he afford to doing it. I 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:03.080 can do it, and you know, and my uncle, it's 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.960 a trip because he taught. He wasn't just he was 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:08.960 a guy I always looked up to as a kid. 1:11:09.280 --> 1:11:12.880 It used to be a show called Creature Feature. And he, 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:19.120 my grand my my uncle knows how to paint, draw everything, 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.680 Like when I go to my grandmama house, him and 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:25.479 my uncle Bruce, which is his brother, alright, p Bruce, 1:11:26.040 --> 1:11:28.560 he would they would have drawings on they wall. So 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:31.559 I used to draw my own wall at home at night, 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:35.240 drawings like cartoons, everything that, because I can draw, my 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:37.560 daddy can draw. Hella good daddy painting all that. So 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:39.400 I got that good. I got it from both sides 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:41.439 of the family just then the third so I was. 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:45.760 I knew that my uncle was special because he would 1:11:45.920 --> 1:11:50.160 do sculptures. He did sculptures like clay sculptures of like 1:11:50.760 --> 1:11:56.120 you know, whether it's a female, a male or whatever, 1:11:56.280 --> 1:11:58.880 monsters like he one of them, how dudes that could 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.639 be in Hollywood making a making a mask for movies 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:07.080 and stuff, right right, yeah, exactly. And so he they 1:12:07.200 --> 1:12:09.320 was like Uncle Chucky, Uncle Chucky gonna be on us 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:11.519 Creature Feature. It was a big deal on TV. We 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:13.720 stayed up late. Mims had to stay up late because 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:15.960 it used to come on like eleven thirty at night. 1:12:16.000 --> 1:12:17.559 You know, we're supposed to be in bed at nine 1:12:17.600 --> 1:12:19.840 a m. As little kids. You know, I mean nine PM, 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:24.559 right eight o'clock when you're in third grade and fourth grade, 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:26.519 you know what I mean, right, you know what I'm saying, 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:29.400 So mims of to stay up there not to see 1:12:29.479 --> 1:12:31.599 Uncle Chucky. We Saint Charles, you know what I'm saying. 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:36.280 And we was like, wow, he on Creature Feature. Creature 1:12:36.320 --> 1:12:39.599 Feature played all the old movies and stuff. Right, make 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:41.479 a long story short. We knew he was so the 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:43.320 specially we had record. He had a couple of records 1:12:43.360 --> 1:12:46.280 in the seventies and he did it on his own independent. 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:50.320 You know. It didn't blow blow blow, but his experience 1:12:51.280 --> 1:12:54.040 rubbed off on us. He taught us. He taught us 1:12:54.080 --> 1:12:56.040 so when we came in the game. I used to 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.559 always tell him, it's a little kid, Uncle Chucky, Uncle Chucky. 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:00.639 I want to make a song. We want to make songs. 1:13:00.680 --> 1:13:02.400 Me and d Shot we would always say, we want 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:05.400 to make records, like a little kid. He always do 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:07.320 this with them with him, you know, with the money. 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:12.240 So why we you know, it was that day came 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:16.240 and he really you know, there was the MVP record. 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:19.280 He did the artwork on it. You know, this before 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:23.720 Final Cup, just because just before what you call that 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:26.800 shit photoshop, photoshop and all that. He just knew how 1:13:26.800 --> 1:13:28.760 I knew what to do. You know what I'm saying. 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.240 We went, we got our records pressed up over at 1:13:31.479 --> 1:13:34.800 Rainbow Records. You know, this was Vinyl. This is eighty 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:36.600 eight when we came out with that record. And we 1:13:36.640 --> 1:13:38.800 would always put our record up a year before. So 1:13:39.360 --> 1:13:42.320 if we did an album that can that we're done 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:45.519 with and it's out, it comes out. Say, for instance, 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:47.960 right now it's twenty twenty one, it's March of twenty 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:50.559 twenty one, we would put twenty twenty two on there 1:13:50.640 --> 1:13:54.400 bro Because the reason why this was our method, because 1:13:54.479 --> 1:13:56.760 we wanted whoever catch it eight months later, because we 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:59.120 knew it was gonna get eight to nine, ten months later. 1:13:59.160 --> 1:14:02.040 We knew it's gonna take forever to get to. You 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:06.320 would say Atlanta, Nebraska. You know what I'm saying me, Uh, 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:10.120 Texas are Cana or you know, Oklahoma or whatever is 1:14:10.160 --> 1:14:12.960 going to We do everything with snail mail back then, 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:16.200 you know what I'm saying. We were sitting there through ups, 1:14:16.560 --> 1:14:21.560 you know ground right, You know what I'm yeah, exactly, 1:14:22.520 --> 1:14:24.960 So by the time everybody started hit getting hit to it, 1:14:25.360 --> 1:14:27.439 it was gonna take that long, and we was prepared 1:14:27.479 --> 1:14:30.040 for us, and we were smart like that. But my uncle, 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:31.800 I tell you so, Pete, you know, he was doing 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:34.439 his thing too, but he was learning as he going. 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:36.719 He's seeing us getting down. He's having a lot of success, 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:40.080 and you know, and Pete was working hard like he 1:14:40.640 --> 1:14:43.200 he everybody rock winning, but a lot of people didn't 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:45.559 because it was so many great rappers in the Bay Area, 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:48.320 you know what I'm saying. And Pete was really spending game. 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:51.880 Pete really Pete really from the streets, not just New 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:55.040 Order streets, Richmond streets, Bay Area streets, you know what 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:57.400 I'm saying. And he wasn't gonna suck out here, you 1:14:57.439 --> 1:14:59.560 know what I'm saying. Nobody tried to play him or 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:01.320 nothing like that. He was He was just a solid 1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:04.000 dude and he had that motivation. God gifted him with 1:15:04.120 --> 1:15:07.240 that and he and he went to Saint Charles, and 1:15:07.360 --> 1:15:10.840 Saint Charles say here, this is what you do. He listened, man, 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:12.920 and man put his own brain together with how he 1:15:13.040 --> 1:15:15.320 wanted to work out his plan, getting the New York, 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:18.679 getting the others, the Deep South the sticks to participate 1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:20.439 with Hi. Miss Well, he got all the West Coast 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:23.000 cast together. Yeah, West cloth Fabo. He's like he did 1:15:23.080 --> 1:15:24.840 his thing, bro, you know what I'm saying. And I 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:26.800 salute him for that. And my uncle say, Charles, I 1:15:26.920 --> 1:15:29.000 really salute him because me and d Shot we was 1:15:29.040 --> 1:15:30.640 talking the other day and my brother we were just 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:32.519 talking about the other day, like, man, that dude really 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:34.840 taught us a lot, like kind of become me in 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:37.800 like get bank, get bank accounts and stuff like that. 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:40.760 Like you know what I mean, like like really you know, 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:45.080 fictitious names and dba's and get business licenses and like 1:15:45.280 --> 1:15:47.519 taught us a lot. You know what I'm saying. He 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:49.600 taught us how to be entrepreneurs. And I'm glad that 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:51.960 I cherished him to this day. I give him Miss Roses. 1:15:52.520 --> 1:15:55.720 He picked up the phone anytime and uh that's my 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:59.680 mom and brother you. Uh. He said that one thing 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:03.599 that you taught that Saint Charles taught him, it's about 1:16:04.800 --> 1:16:08.000 distributor is banking on yourself. He always say the babe, 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:11.559 they push independence and the things he said that he thought, 1:16:11.640 --> 1:16:13.760 and you can correct me if I'm wrong. He says 1:16:13.840 --> 1:16:18.240 he believed independence teaches you hunger. He says, because it's 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.599 only gonna go as far as you take it. He said. 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:22.800 Sometime Guy's team want to do these three six and 1:16:22.840 --> 1:16:24.760 then you know, you get the big money up front 1:16:24.840 --> 1:16:27.519 and all that, but you get lazy because you got 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:31.519 them doing the work. But when the thing is like 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.160 when you you know you're gonna eat, but they gonna 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:37.120 eat every time you eat, as opposed to the independence 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:41.559 you eating the lining share. They gonna eat what you leave, 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:46.400 not eat before you do. You know it, bro And 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:49.560 he telling the truth because you know it's people. No 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:51.880 disrespect to nobody, but it's people have been on major 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.080 labels for many years and they kind of you know 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:55.920 what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say, you got babysitting, 1:16:56.280 --> 1:16:57.840 but they don't know no other way. When it comes 1:16:57.840 --> 1:16:59.960 to like once the deal is over or whatever, they'll 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:02.200 know the other way because they never been independent. They 1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:03.880 never knew how. We had to do it. You know, 1:17:03.960 --> 1:17:06.679 we were coming to get We was in it by force, 1:17:06.880 --> 1:17:09.840 not by choice. It's good that force was good. We 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:11.240 didn't have to We had to go get it on 1:17:11.320 --> 1:17:15.160 our own and becoming it and being independent, it was beautiful. 1:17:15.240 --> 1:17:18.639 It was a blessing in disguise. You feel what I'm saying, right, 1:17:19.160 --> 1:17:22.360 So do you know that made us be better hustlers, 1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:26.800 better men and appreciate it more? Like, right now, I'm 1:17:26.840 --> 1:17:28.240 gonna be honest with you, and I'm not trying to 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.439 you know, plug anything, but I'm just telling you the truth. 1:17:31.520 --> 1:17:34.800 What I'm doing right now is just set okay the 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:37.640 streets when I rap, right when I rap, when I 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:40.120 came into the rap. Now I'll say, it's the same hustle, 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:45.080 just different products, right, just liquor right here, same hustle, 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:48.519 different products. I sell a dope, beverages, bro And I'm 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:52.000 doing it independently. I'm doing it the long way, but 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:54.080 it's the right way. So at the end of the day, 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:56.720 I'm gonna get the last laugh. God will them. First 1:17:56.760 --> 1:17:59.400 of all, the thing is, I'm doing it independently. So 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:03.439 each state requires different credentials and different things you gotta 1:18:03.479 --> 1:18:06.240 do to get your license. Some states are controlled, some 1:18:06.439 --> 1:18:09.040 states are you know what I'm saying. You know, some 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:11.200 states are easier to get you know what I'm saying. 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:15.080 So it's like, this is what I'm doing, so God 1:18:15.160 --> 1:18:19.360 willing within the next twelve months, I'm most likely being 1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:25.160 about thirty seven states being the vendor of record, my 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:30.839 own boss. No nothing. You feel what I'm saying. Nobody 1:18:30.960 --> 1:18:35.280 the answer to I sign the checks, I call the shots. Everything. 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:38.600 It's the long way, but it's the right way. And 1:18:38.760 --> 1:18:43.000 that's what he did independently. That's what we did independently. 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:46.160 Sick with the records, no limit, suave House, so on 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:48.960 and so forth, rap a lot, so many of the 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:51.720 loose got walk on them. You know what I'm saying. 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:53.759 The whole ship like we can go on and on forever. 1:18:53.920 --> 1:18:58.080 You know you've been able to have a hit in 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:01.120 every decade rappers, ball to every where to go, sprinkle 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:04.040 me captain, save the whole choices. How do you enjoy 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:08.000 the longevity that you've enjoyed? Man, I love it, bro 1:19:08.200 --> 1:19:11.240 I thank God for everything. And you know, like I say, uh, 1:19:11.960 --> 1:19:17.800 I figure you know you just keep the faith, be 1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:21.320 a good person, keep your eye on the ball. I 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:26.320 love rapping, even if you know I'm an old man 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:29.800 to something. I'm old man now, but I'm I don't 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:32.759 not though you know what I'm saying. I'm my spirit 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:34.920 Like you wouldn't. If I didn't tell you my age, 1:19:34.920 --> 1:19:37.200 you probably wouldn't know. You probably know I'm probably about 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:40.920 I'm probably a good forty two and you know, probably forty, 1:19:41.400 --> 1:19:43.840 you know, and if you looked at it and I 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.400 tell you they want to day with you, you never know. 1:19:46.479 --> 1:19:49.600 I'm really my spirit and my my charisma and my 1:19:50.160 --> 1:19:52.639 the way I carry myself ain't no fifty no regular 1:19:52.680 --> 1:19:55.280 fifty three year old cat bro. You know what I'm saying. 1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:57.040 That's all I'm saying. Like, and I'm not trying to 1:19:57.120 --> 1:19:59.880 be young. I'm just just me. I promise myself when 1:19:59.880 --> 1:20:02.040 I I was young that when I get older, I'm 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:04.439 not fair to be dressing hell of ancient and all 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:07.439 that old bullshit. Man, I'm like this, you ain gonna 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:09.759 you ain't gonna rock the stays with the real socks, 1:20:09.920 --> 1:20:11.880 I'm not. They gotta be clean, they got they gotta 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:14.920 the jeans, gotta be a little uh, you know, slimmer 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:16.760 at the bottom. They can't be all flared out. They 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:19.040 can't wear no big britches. They ain't there right now. 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:20.960 You gotta look at you can look fly. I see 1:20:21.000 --> 1:20:23.080 some motherfuckers that was flying the other day, Snoop posting 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.920 them some old jess. They had the gray bears, but 1:20:26.040 --> 1:20:28.160 the niggas that they outfit was clean. They had to 1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:31.280 the jeans wasn't at the bottom that the jeans wasn't 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:33.800 all flared out there was you know, they fitted, they 1:20:33.880 --> 1:20:36.320 had they had some dress shoes on them. Was flying. 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:38.960 Fuck you know what I'm saying. And that's how you 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:45.240 gotta be if you're gonna do it me. Fuck you 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:49.200 got some of the Bay Area words? I mean, you 1:20:49.360 --> 1:20:52.360 feel me, you smell me for shit, me for show gas. 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:56.720 How do you come up with these words? And then 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:59.000 when you come up with them, you like because people 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:01.960 that people still use them, people talk like that. But 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:03.800 at the time that you're coming up with those words, 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:06.559 do you think they're gonna have the longevity that they're 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:11.920 gonna have. Oh? I don't know, you know, I just man, 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:14.200 just me. You know one thing about being from the 1:21:14.240 --> 1:21:19.000 Bay Area, it's a beautiful thing because you're surrounded by game. 1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:21.920 Look I just put that together. Being from the Bed's 1:21:21.920 --> 1:21:25.280 a beautiful thing because you're surrounded by game. You feel me, 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:28.720 and and that's you know, and you got so much. 1:21:29.360 --> 1:21:32.840 You have so many people. I like the rock with 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:37.840 the older the ogs, the older guys right, because they 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:39.680 didn't they didn't been through it, they didn't seen it. 1:21:40.439 --> 1:21:41.800 You know what I'm saying. They did it, they'd have 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:44.040 been around it, and they can wake your game up 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:48.519 way more like the og Like the young generation. A 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:50.240 lot of them don't mind listening to me when I 1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:53.960 talk to them, right they would be like, do good things, uncle, 1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:56.160 I appreciate that. That made my day right there, thank you. 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:58.880 You know. The ones who want to be silent and 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:02.360 listen to it, they listen. So being in the bay 1:22:02.479 --> 1:22:05.280 I learned, you know, and me being creative coming with stuff, 1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:07.760 you know, just coming with slang and all that all 1:22:07.880 --> 1:22:10.400 since I was a little youngster. You know what I'm saying. 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:13.240 I used to read the dictionary, and I come with 1:22:13.320 --> 1:22:16.760 long words and all that stuff. A lot of these 1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:19.679 words and stuff I say, you know what I'm saying, 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:23.360 a lot of that shit, man, is really just from 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:29.000 observing and observing the older older guys and then putting 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:33.400 my putting you my way to cooking. But you had 1:22:33.479 --> 1:22:37.479 your flavor right like. But a lot of words just 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.720 come from my brain right off. Tough I'm living to 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:41.840 before we finished, I might come with a freshman out 1:22:41.880 --> 1:22:47.439 of theywear like I don't see that not nowhere, but 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:51.080 theywear ofwear. He just came out of neywhear with that. 1:22:51.840 --> 1:22:55.400 You feel me use you're the first one I heard 1:22:55.400 --> 1:22:57.280 when they started when and people say, oh, but that 1:22:57.360 --> 1:22:59.599 thing slapped you, the first one I ever heard used 1:22:59.640 --> 1:23:03.519 that word when they're talking about something is good. First 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:07.320 rapper ever screaming slap ever in life. Whenever you say, oh, 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:11.000 that's slap, that's slapping. First rapper ever ever see it 1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:16.360 dead that rapper, Yes sir, yes sir. And there's so 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:18.960 many other ones, you know, and I trip on, you know, 1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:21.960 I see I see some some casts are you know, 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:27.800 the word broccoli the other day calling we broccoli and 1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:30.559 it was like they was given they was crediting other rappers. 1:23:30.600 --> 1:23:32.960 I'm like, that's okay. They don't know, you know what 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:35.160 I'm saying, That's okay because the kids, I'll be like, 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:37.400 I just I just know that some people wasn't even 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:40.000 born when I was. When I even when I had to, 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.479 I had a song I'll called broccoli and like nineteen 1:23:42.600 --> 1:23:46.040 ninety ninety eight it was actually called broccoli. Smoking that 1:23:46.120 --> 1:23:49.920 broccoli Now it takes me out, you know what I'm saying. 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:51.960 That's how the hood went. We use a cameo slap. 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.080 I had older some sugar singing on that thing. And 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:55.880 the song is called Broccoli, and it was on my 1:23:56.000 --> 1:23:59.519 double album which is almost platinum right now, way past gold, 1:23:59.880 --> 1:24:02.040 and it was called the album is called Element of Surprise. 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:06.559 First rapper talking about apply pressure surprise, the element Apply 1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:12.400 Pressure Tycoon nineteen ninety five, the intro to a platinum 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:16.080 album in a major way. What's happening, folks, It ain't 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.680 none but me. You're tycoon talking potting to play a 1:24:18.720 --> 1:24:21.240 pot in the eight four, I said, tycoon talking Pottinger 1:24:22.280 --> 1:24:25.400 rewind it when y'all get a chance. Nineteen ninety five, 1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:28.160 I was screaming that ship as a rapper. No other 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:30.439 rapper was screaming. And before that I said it, and 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:32.360 my brother them said, and everybody that was with us 1:24:32.560 --> 1:24:34.679 screamed it on the alms. So it's like I didn't 1:24:34.720 --> 1:24:37.080 make up the word tycoons in the dictionary, but I'm 1:24:37.120 --> 1:24:39.800 talking about ship that rappers don't say. That became very 1:24:39.880 --> 1:24:42.920 popular and I was the first one screaming it, and 1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:44.960 we go on and on forever. You know what I'm saying, 1:24:45.000 --> 1:24:50.519 Choppers calling calling pistols, choppers, rushing, first one talking about choppers. 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:54.559 First rapper ever talking about Choppers, triple Beam scales, everything 1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:59.000 related to the soil. Trust me, Yola unit's calling calling 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:03.800 keys un it's you feel me? Yeah, Man, I ain't 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:05.519 put an extras on it. This ain't no cat. This 1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:08.280 ain't this ain't uh, this ain't this, ain't this ain't nowhere. 1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:14.000 It's no cap bro't no cat bro for really, lets 1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:16.040 talking about Let's talk about somelf. And I know you 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:19.920 really really love and you've been You was rocking with 1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:24.439 this team when it wasn't popular, your Golden State Warriors. 1:25:25.000 --> 1:25:30.240 I see you sit in courtside a lot. What did 1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:33.439 it feel like when you guys finally won the championship 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:35.559 in twenty fifteen, because I know that was a long 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:37.880 time coming, because there were some lean years in the 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:42.559 forty when I was watching Matt Barnes and and uh 1:25:42.680 --> 1:25:47.479 Steven and uh and uh and uh and uh who 1:25:47.520 --> 1:25:51.680 else was it Matt barn Stephen Baron Davis, Baron b d. 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:53.640 When I was watching it, I was like, oh man, 1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:55.439 we might get one, We might get one. We might 1:25:55.520 --> 1:25:57.519 go stay out there playing at street ball on him. 1:25:57.520 --> 1:26:00.799 Because to me, them dudes a street cat in the NBA. 1:26:01.320 --> 1:26:03.639 I love them dudes. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah, 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:05.840 they were gonna get one, and so I you know, 1:26:05.960 --> 1:26:08.559 even before that, you know, I love the Warriors, of course, 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:10.920 but I'm like, we get closer, and you know, I 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:16.320 just used to hate when the powers that be of 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:19.360 over the Warriors would always once we get a good player, 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:22.200 that trade them or something I get there, go somewhere else. 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:25.840 I'm like, oh man, damn. So now that we got 1:26:25.880 --> 1:26:28.519 our new powers that being there, I love them. They're 1:26:28.560 --> 1:26:30.439 doing what they can do, and they we've been there 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:34.080 that thing for the last five years when they went 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:37.400 with some of the best times of so many people 1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:41.000 lives from the Bay Area, you know, just being there, 1:26:41.080 --> 1:26:43.840 whether you're in the nose bleeds, whether you're in between, 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:47.519 whether you courtside, it was just so just great. I 1:26:47.600 --> 1:26:49.920 mean five times in a row, bro and they won 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:52.720 three out of them things you feel me and be 1:26:53.040 --> 1:26:58.240 courtside me being ain't nothing like courtside experience. You know, 1:26:59.160 --> 1:27:01.800 you rubbish orders with the rubbing shoulders, with the big 1:27:01.840 --> 1:27:05.080 willies in order to get and that's nothing you networking, 1:27:05.360 --> 1:27:09.200 I hadn't met so many people there, uh that that 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:13.120 I've had opportunities to break bread with just from being 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:15.120 there and being a good person, not being fake, just 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:18.760 being a good person, being a people's person, hobnobbing, shaking hands, 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:22.519 kissing babies, hugging folks, networking. You know what I'm saying, 1:27:22.880 --> 1:27:25.120 stuff like that and just being a good dude, get 1:27:25.160 --> 1:27:27.760 you a long ways. And that's what I did. And 1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:30.479 ain't no experience like course side when you can be 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:33.360 sitting I said, right by the bench. It's times, I said, 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:36.240 several times, I said right like I'm part of the bench, 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:39.680 like I'm on the team. In my mind, I'm an 1:27:39.760 --> 1:27:43.439 NBA player too. I was, Okay, you're a Warrior fan, 1:27:43.560 --> 1:27:45.599 You're a Warre fanatic, and you know all the players, 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.799 give me your mouth rushmore players will rig Bass, Steph 1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:53.519 b d, Clay Thompson, Katie, Chris Muther and Nate Thurman, 1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:56.280 Dramond Greeney. Give me your mout rushmore, your four best 1:27:56.320 --> 1:28:02.400 players in Warrior's history. Okay, uh, I would have to say, uh, 1:28:02.640 --> 1:28:08.439 Rick Berry Okay. I would have to say uh Steff 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:11.840 of course, yep, I would have to say Clay Okay. 1:28:13.080 --> 1:28:16.800 I would definitely have that's a trip. And because they oh, 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:18.760 I would have to say, I would have to I 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:26.960 also have to say, well, Chamberler, for sure they do that. 1:28:27.080 --> 1:28:30.280 That's impossible to do. I would have to say, I mean, 1:28:30.320 --> 1:28:32.519 not say it. That's it. You want to get poor? 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:35.479 How many would I say it? With all? I say, 1:28:35.760 --> 1:28:39.680 you got Will, you got Stealth, you got Clay, and 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:44.400 you got rick Berry. That's not bad. That's not bad. 1:28:44.600 --> 1:28:47.280 That's not bad. It's plenty more. But that's not bad 1:28:47.400 --> 1:28:50.200 at all. I remember they had Robert Parrish and I 1:28:50.320 --> 1:28:52.000 was mad when they traded him and he became a 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:54.639 Hall of Famer. He went over to a Green team. 1:28:54.880 --> 1:28:59.400 Yeah exactly, But I was like, man, he became became 1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:02.800 a Hall of Famer. Man, yeah, Robert Parish. Like I 1:29:02.960 --> 1:29:05.360 just hate when they used to trade all the good 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:07.640 players like that so quick, you know. But that but 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:10.560 now they got new ownership and everything, and everything is 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:13.400 much better. We just want a lot of injuries. That's 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:16.440 all that's been messing us up. When you see courtside, 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:18.559 are you doing a Drake? Are you trash talking? Are 1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:20.519 you just sitting watching the game, because you know, Drake 1:29:20.560 --> 1:29:22.200 be on the Drake be on courtside, and Drake be 1:29:22.280 --> 1:29:24.240 talking trash be talking crazy to be getting the ball. 1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:28.240 I only talk big Bronco. When it's like a Drake, 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:31.360 a Travis Scott or somebody like that that's there and 1:29:31.439 --> 1:29:33.640 they and their team is playing us, that's when I 1:29:33.720 --> 1:29:37.160 talk big ship to them. Yeah, yeah, what's happening? Yeah, 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:40.080 you know, you know I'm oh man, one thing, I'm 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:44.080 a master at getting in that head. You know what 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:47.320 I'm saying. Picking you know, you don't talk to the player. 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:49.760 If you don't talk to the opposing team player, no, no, no, 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:51.640 I leave them because I like them. I like a 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:54.160 lot of them. I would say a couple of things 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:56.720 to them, but not like I like I shake the 1:29:56.760 --> 1:30:00.040 hand of then like Bronnie Lebron. I love Lebron. I 1:30:00.320 --> 1:30:02.439 try because he fucking he would killer on the court 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:04.519 and he just you know, he's so dope, like the 1:30:04.600 --> 1:30:06.479 game is if not, you know what I'm saying. So 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:12.080 it's like I kind of like Brady, you know you're 1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:14.360 gonna missed that he'd be on the you know, shooting 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:16.760 and stuff like that. But I love dude, man, and 1:30:16.800 --> 1:30:18.840 when he when when people like that come off the court, 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:20.960 I shake their hand, you know, and shit like that. 1:30:21.160 --> 1:30:23.800 Like I was talking to Uh, it was one of 1:30:23.840 --> 1:30:27.360 them games, who's the what's the boy? What's the boy? 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:34.280 Didn't play with a play with U Durant now all yeah, yeah, 1:30:34.439 --> 1:30:36.120 I say, man, I've seen him after one of them 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:39.080 basketball games, man, And we was in like the hallway 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:42.880 after when we played. When we played, uh, I think 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.360 we played Cleveland and I think I was a Cleveland 1:30:45.479 --> 1:30:48.479 or something or either it was somewhere we was at. 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:51.280 It was it was a final stough. Yeah, he got 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:53.400 they got us. It was a game that they played 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:55.040 that they I say, May, I ain't gonna even like 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:56.960 he was just sitting there just chilling, and I'm like, 1:30:57.360 --> 1:30:59.000 I say, man, I'm gonna even like, Man, you dope 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:03.400 his foot, bro. You know I came. I don't like 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:06.000 you dope as fuck. Bro. You know what I'm saying, Like, 1:31:06.120 --> 1:31:07.920 you just gotta give it up to certain people because 1:31:07.960 --> 1:31:10.160 you know, ain't no need to be mad at other 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:13.519 teams and other players when you gotta realize that all 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:16.880 these all these dudes kick it together. They vacation together 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:20.559 and everything. They friends. When I played baseball and football, 1:31:21.160 --> 1:31:24.160 we would be enemies on the court or on the 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:26.000 I mean when we'd be we'd be enemies on the 1:31:26.120 --> 1:31:28.599 on the out, in the baseball in the baseball diamond 1:31:29.000 --> 1:31:32.400 right on the football field. But when we get off 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:34.360 of that thing, we findly go eat some pieza or 1:31:34.439 --> 1:31:38.759 something together. Right two separteen, you know the opposite team. 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:41.800 You know what I'm saying. It's all these cats. They're 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:43.760 all cool with each other and everything, no matter what 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:45.960 how aggressive they look on the court like they don't 1:31:46.000 --> 1:31:49.000 like each other. Everybody be vacation and everything together. Man, 1:31:49.080 --> 1:31:53.080 they all contact Raiders of forty nine ers. I would 1:31:53.120 --> 1:31:55.839 say forty nine ers a thought. I never said anything 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:58.880 ever bad about the Raiders. I'm from valet Jo. I'm 1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:01.760 not from Oakland, not for San Francisco, you know what 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:04.920 I'm saying. I'm thirty minutes from Oakland and like fifty 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:08.320 minutes from Frisco. But I am Northern California Bay Area. 1:32:08.680 --> 1:32:12.400 You know you gotta be so you got. I tried 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:14.600 to and then my all my cousins and everybody. I 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:17.240 tried to like the Raiders and the forty nine ers 1:32:17.560 --> 1:32:20.800 because I grew up on Dave Casper, Jim Plunkett, I 1:32:20.880 --> 1:32:26.120 grew up on Jerry Rice and Steve Joe Montana, Steve 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:29.040 Young and them, Merton Hanks and them. I had neighbors 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:32.960 that stayed in my neighborhood. I had Alright pe Chester Mclock. 1:32:33.120 --> 1:32:35.880 I had Darrel Russell. Darrel Russell stayed in my neighborhood, 1:32:35.960 --> 1:32:38.680 like literally walking dis is around the corner. They all 1:32:38.720 --> 1:32:41.760 stayed in my neighborhood. I had then Danni Stubblefield stay 1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:44.160 fort houses down from me. I had Murden Hanks stayed right. 1:32:44.240 --> 1:32:46.880 There's these forty nines, Ricky Watters, I had all of them. 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.679 So I would go sometime. I would They would invite 1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:51.120 me to the game, So I'll go to a Raider 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:52.720 game and I would go. But I would have my 1:32:53.160 --> 1:32:55.800 my parent, my main team forty nine ers, So I 1:32:55.880 --> 1:32:58.240 had forty nine a gear on. You know what I'm saying. 1:32:58.240 --> 1:33:00.719 That people wasn't really tripping, you know what I'm saying. 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:04.400 So it's like I don't have nothing against the Raiders, 1:33:04.479 --> 1:33:07.200 and no one ever on the internet can never say 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:10.600 that I said fuck the Raiders this day and the 1:33:10.680 --> 1:33:12.560 third no matter how bad they say it about me. 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:14.360 They want me to be a Raider fan. But I 1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:16.880 had to pick a side a long time ago because 1:33:17.160 --> 1:33:19.519 my cousin and all the Raider fans, Rick Rock and 1:33:19.560 --> 1:33:21.360 all of them casts. They was like, you gotta pick 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:23.240 a side, and I was like, I want to roll 1:33:23.320 --> 1:33:25.160 with the whole Bay Area package. There was not This 1:33:25.280 --> 1:33:27.400 is twenty years ago. They said you gotta pick a side. 1:33:27.439 --> 1:33:29.760 I say, man, all right, fucked y'all there, I'm going. 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:34.559 Forty nine is for lock. Hey. I want to get 1:33:34.600 --> 1:33:35.960 you out of your different fort and let me ask 1:33:36.000 --> 1:33:41.120 your question. I need your mouth rushmore rappers all overall 1:33:41.600 --> 1:33:46.439 in your mouth, rushmore callie rappers. I like that, So 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:49.200 I want. I want the great the fourth greatest rappers 1:33:49.520 --> 1:33:58.080 East Coast, West Coast five. I don't care. I need four, okay, alright, alright, alright, 1:33:58.240 --> 1:34:01.280 wow wow wild wow yeah, all right, you want me 1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:04.439 to go with the fourth greatest, the four greatest, I want. 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:08.160 I won't fartiest four greatest rappers. I switch it up 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:10.639 every damn somebody. Every time somebody asked me, is that okay? 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:18.439 Because it just happens like that, well do what you do? Okay, okay, okay, 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:21.920 tupacet of course. And I can't say me, right, no me, 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:27.080 no me. You're gonna say you if you won't you okay, okay, see, 1:34:27.080 --> 1:34:29.799 because I'm in a whole nother category. I'm not a lyricist. 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:33.280 I'm a gang spider right all right. But although I 1:34:33.360 --> 1:34:35.920 can bustle, although I can be a lyricist because I 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:39.559 got bars, right, I got, I got got I ain't 1:34:39.560 --> 1:34:41.320 even took the bar example, I got I still got 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:48.200 bars though, you feel me. But anyway, I would say, uh, 1:34:49.720 --> 1:34:54.400 tupac of course, Okay, that's what I got. Three more spots. 1:34:54.960 --> 1:34:57.160 I gotta say ice cube, man, I just had to 1:34:57.240 --> 1:35:01.320 do because you know, man, people, you know, no matter 1:35:01.360 --> 1:35:04.519 how much he rapped nowadays or whatever, he did enough 1:35:04.720 --> 1:35:07.680 in a few years that he got out that you 1:35:07.760 --> 1:35:10.800 gotta remember, he used to write for n W n WA. 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:14.280 So just imagine all that shit, all that gas he had, 1:35:14.920 --> 1:35:17.360 you feel me? Yea. And so it's like I would 1:35:17.360 --> 1:35:21.160 have to say ice q uh. And I'm gonna leave 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:22.800 me out of this because I just want to be fair, 1:35:23.160 --> 1:35:25.599 even though I know I feel like I'm the greatest 1:35:25.680 --> 1:35:27.680 of all of them, right, you know what I'm saying. 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:28.960 But I'm gonna leave it out that I wanted to 1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:31.920 be a you know, a good thing. So and this 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:34.080 ain't I'm not taking a favorite to him, and I'm 1:35:34.080 --> 1:35:35.920 just talking about the people. Let me see, I would 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:40.120 say I would say, I would say tupac ice Q. 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:47.240 I would say, and I'm not saying this just because 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:50.320 everybody else say it, because I'm a real motherfucker. The 1:35:50.360 --> 1:35:54.400 reason I'm gonna say Jigger, it's because if he, if 1:35:54.680 --> 1:36:01.599 he did a versus right now, everybody'd be like, Man, Okay, 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.920 I forgot that motherfucker had that song right there. You 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:07.680 know what I'm saying, Yeah, damn, damn, I didn't know 1:36:07.760 --> 1:36:10.680 he had. I forgot because people get amnesia. They don't know. 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:15.479 First of all, it ain't even just lyrics, and it 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:18.760 ain't it ain't you know, platinum and go downs. It 1:36:18.800 --> 1:36:22.479 ain't that. It's what you're doing outside of the vocal 1:36:22.560 --> 1:36:27.200 booth as well, right, just skipping over real quick. That's 1:36:27.240 --> 1:36:31.080 why I consider Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer of all 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:35.600 times because of what he did outside his his contributions 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:38.400 to our culture and everything like that. There you feel 1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:42.400 what I'm saying, right, So anyway, with Jigger, it's just 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:45.800 the innovation, the things that the inspiration, the things that 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:48.519 he's doing. He's took hip hop to another page. You 1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:51.680 gotta put him in there, right, you got to. You know, 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:55.880 you got you got ice cube, you got jay. Yep, 1:36:56.240 --> 1:37:01.880 got one more. I got one more. I got one 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:08.360 more to be the greatest of all time. Yep. Man, 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:11.760 that's a horrid one. That's a super hard one. Man, 1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:14.840 that's super hard because it's so many. I want to say, 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:19.280 but I look at somebody got to get left. And 1:37:19.320 --> 1:37:22.080 look here, you didn't bring all your friends with you. 1:37:22.800 --> 1:37:25.479 You had to leave some of them, So you got 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:33.519 to leave somebody off body. I want, you know, four? 1:37:37.680 --> 1:37:39.559 Why am I? You know it'd be tripping me out 1:37:39.600 --> 1:37:43.479 Because they say Mount Worshmore should be five. People don't 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:46.639 seem like it should be fine. They're not adding another head. 1:37:46.720 --> 1:37:48.760 You're not going to South Dakoda and getting another head 1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:50.840 on that mount. You're not doing it. They're not doing it. 1:37:51.880 --> 1:38:01.760 Oh man, Oh you know I can't and I want. 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:04.280 I don't want to base this on who I grew 1:38:04.400 --> 1:38:05.800 up on, because I grew up on a lot of 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:08.320 people that I love them. Feel like they're definitely top ten, 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:11.080 you know what I'm saying, right, But I gotta keep 1:38:11.160 --> 1:38:16.360 him one down. Wow, I gotta say, Caun, I base 1:38:16.439 --> 1:38:19.519 this on what you did in your early days and 1:38:19.640 --> 1:38:23.760 what you're doing now far as other shit too. You 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:26.960 can base it on whatever you want. This is Forty's list. 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:29.479 This is not my list, is not anybody else. And 1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:31.920 if you want to debate, goes, go debate your cousin 1:38:31.960 --> 1:38:36.040 and the barber shall but this Faulty's list. I gotta tie. Okay, 1:38:36.120 --> 1:38:44.759 who you got? I would say Snoop Dogg and Biggie. Okay, 1:38:45.479 --> 1:38:50.600 I'm leaning towards Snoop because of Now, don't get it 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:53.120 fucked up. If Biggie was still living. I really think 1:38:53.200 --> 1:38:56.240 that if Biggie had more albums because he was dopest 1:38:56.520 --> 1:39:00.800 the fuck and you knew the potential. You know what 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:03.200 I'm saying, if he was still living and had more alms, 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:06.040 I can I can base it up almost. Snoop got 1:39:06.160 --> 1:39:09.920 long jefty. Snoop is a walking icon. Snoop is into. 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:12.760 He got his hands all over me, all over the 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:15.040 place like space. You know what I'm saying, He's still here. 1:39:15.880 --> 1:39:17.760 Uh you know what I mean. It's I gotta I 1:39:17.920 --> 1:39:19.760 have to say Snoop on that. But don't get it 1:39:19.840 --> 1:39:21.920 fucked up. Biggie top tier for sure. You know what 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:24.560 I'm saying. I love nas as well. You know what 1:39:24.600 --> 1:39:26.880 I'm saying. But now we get into the top tens 1:39:26.920 --> 1:39:28.960 and shit like, you know what I'm saying. You said four, 1:39:29.680 --> 1:39:31.479 So I would have to say I would have to say, 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:33.840 beside me, you know what I'm saying. I'm not I'm 1:39:33.880 --> 1:39:35.960 not in it. I take myself out of this, right. 1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:42.280 I would have to stay up. You got pop, you 1:39:42.439 --> 1:39:47.760 got cube, you got hold, and you got snoop. Yep, 1:39:49.040 --> 1:39:51.759 all right, give me Callie Rappers. I need four Calie Rappers. 1:39:52.560 --> 1:39:57.479 He forty two short ice cube and snoop. That's it. 1:39:57.920 --> 1:40:01.800 That's it, That's Mount that's more. That's Mount Rushmore of 1:40:01.880 --> 1:40:06.080 the West Coast period. Sorry, well, a couple of more things, 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:12.240 uh party, I've asked if they were alive versus Battle 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:21.400 Prince Michael Jackson versus Battle Michael Jackson, who uh Mariah carry? 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:23.880 If fans a bus y'all know that it's Michael bro 1:40:24.720 --> 1:40:27.360 I don't know. Man A Prince started playing that guitar, 1:40:27.640 --> 1:40:32.479 he gets on that piano, might start dancing and hitting 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:36.800 that he get him that he starts. Hey, he started 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:40.880 hitting at the door. He started when Doves cried, oh man, hey, 1:40:41.600 --> 1:40:44.000 Mike might come out there and get to play that. 1:40:44.080 --> 1:40:47.519 Billy Jean and all that shit. Boys and some of 1:40:47.560 --> 1:40:50.920 the some of the Jackson slaps. You know what I'm saying. 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:58.240 Jackson five, Jackson five, Mariah carry Whitney Houston. Who that's 1:40:58.240 --> 1:41:02.080 a tough one. I'm gonna say the most effective to me, 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:10.479 the greatest love of Whitney Houston music and make you 1:41:10.680 --> 1:41:14.960 cry Broye seriously. And then you get to thinking about 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:16.760 all the stuff she went through and how she's not 1:41:16.920 --> 1:41:20.000 here no more Whitney Houston. Bro, I'll just keep it 1:41:20.040 --> 1:41:25.679 in one thou okay versus battle hold drink. Oh that's 1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:28.160 a real time. Oh yeah, I come on with it. 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:31.479 Come on with it now, because you know Drake did 1:41:31.840 --> 1:41:35.880 in so little time with most do in a lifetime. Yeah, yeah, 1:41:36.000 --> 1:41:37.760 I put that together. I didn't even try to see 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:42.880 how they did that. Oh my god, that's a tie. 1:41:45.560 --> 1:41:47.479 You can't have no birthing battle. You can't have no tie, 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:49.960 no birthing battle. Bon it. Yes you can me and 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:55.760 two shirt wasn't tie right. The big one that you 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:58.040 were too short was collab it. How you gonna be 1:41:58.160 --> 1:42:01.040 joining it on this song? See, this is the thing 1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:04.479 with Jagger's tricky. That's what I'm saying, because really, I 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:06.560 remember I was on the soundtrack with him. It was 1:42:06.600 --> 1:42:10.360 called Sprung Sprung Champ soundtrack. Jay Brown got me on 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:12.519 that soundtrack and Jigger was on there as well with me. 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:17.400 It was nineteen ninety six, and I remember, you know, 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:21.040 I remember watching Jack, Tommy David and Jamie Fox. Right. 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:24.240 I believe so, yep, yep, that that that soundtrack. I 1:42:24.280 --> 1:42:27.040 believe that I gotta go record in my hallway along 1:42:27.080 --> 1:42:30.880 with Booty Call and a whole bunch of other days, 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:34.880 you know what I'm saying. But I just knew Jigger. 1:42:35.160 --> 1:42:38.240 I gotta say, I realized that the man put in 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:40.439 a lot of See what it is is that dude. 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:44.160 They start accepting hood ship on the radio when he 1:42:44.240 --> 1:42:48.160 came in and I and I ain't trying to shine 1:42:48.160 --> 1:42:49.960 a light back on me, but a lot of my 1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:54.120 ghetto anthems that people love, they wouldn't play it on 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:56.720 the radio back then. They're beat back there. They're trying 1:42:56.760 --> 1:42:59.880 to category as my ship is a local, not blow 1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:01.519 you know what I'm saying. That's how they did me. 1:43:01.600 --> 1:43:03.680 It was like it was a fuck up. I gotta like, 1:43:03.800 --> 1:43:06.080 I say, I'm older and wiser, I can hold a 1:43:06.080 --> 1:43:08.240 grudge against a whole bunch of motherfuckers. How they used 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:10.560 to do us in radio and now the beer he 1:43:10.640 --> 1:43:13.240 used to get done. But anyway, let's get back to Jigger. 1:43:13.320 --> 1:43:17.000 Jigger really got a body of music, man. A long 1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:21.320 list of his catalog is longer than train smoke man. 1:43:21.439 --> 1:43:25.200 People don't realize that. And it was big records that, 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:28.160 you know, even his soil Ship was being able, was 1:43:28.240 --> 1:43:30.439 able to be played on the radio. And when you 1:43:30.560 --> 1:43:32.439 got all that and then you got you know, that 1:43:32.560 --> 1:43:35.560 machine behind you as well, and he don't get it 1:43:35.640 --> 1:43:37.800 fucked up. He started off, you know, independent. I think 1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:40.200 he was a priority record on the first one, reasonable 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:42.720 the whole Wood Whop, you know, and he started off 1:43:42.760 --> 1:43:45.200 back with jazz jazzo. I remember that he used to 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:46.559 be in the videos because I remember when he came 1:43:46.600 --> 1:43:50.439 back and resurfaced and then like like eighty nine nineties 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:52.639 were jazz or somewhere around there. I see him there. 1:43:53.600 --> 1:43:55.920 I'm like, mant do look hello, familiar. So he started 1:43:56.240 --> 1:43:58.479 ninety three. I think he came with his one song 1:43:58.560 --> 1:44:00.680 and all the day was like, man, guys are like man, 1:44:00.720 --> 1:44:02.439 dude got a little bit of game about himself, like 1:44:02.479 --> 1:44:04.559 he kind of woke and shit, you know what I'm saying. 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:06.360 You know, you know, we're bagy niggas. So we we 1:44:06.479 --> 1:44:08.760 we we we look at who kind of laced up, 1:44:08.760 --> 1:44:11.479 who gained up? You feel me right? Okay? You know 1:44:11.479 --> 1:44:13.639 what I'm saying. We felt the same way about Biggie two. 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:15.519 You know what I'm saying, Like these niggas is different 1:44:15.520 --> 1:44:18.160 than he is. Gamed up, you know. And so anyway, 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:20.040 make a long story short. In the short story long, 1:44:20.479 --> 1:44:23.960 I just think that Drake and So a little time. 1:44:24.000 --> 1:44:27.280 He did a lifetime of work, and that's gonna be heavy, man. 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:32.160 But I really think that Jigga would win because Drake 1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:36.120 with Drake is a trip because Drake got slaps that 1:44:36.360 --> 1:44:39.320 was for the brons, but the dudes will love it too. 1:44:39.920 --> 1:44:41.680 And then he got that hip hop ship too, like 1:44:41.800 --> 1:44:44.519 Drake and Rap. I fuck with Drake heavy. That would 1:44:44.520 --> 1:44:46.840 be a good versus. I would love to see that 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:50.599 that versus everybody? Would that up break the fucking internet. 1:44:51.439 --> 1:45:02.000 Little Kim with Nicki minaj Uh, I just wish. I 1:45:02.160 --> 1:45:04.439 love Little Kim, you know, every time we ever I 1:45:04.439 --> 1:45:07.479 even met her, she was always sweet, always cool. I 1:45:07.840 --> 1:45:10.560 loved her music, especially in the earlier days. I just 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:14.200 haven't heard any new stuff lately, you know, I kind 1:45:14.240 --> 1:45:18.879 of look at you know. Sometimes I've been around youngsters 1:45:20.080 --> 1:45:22.840 and some of the youngsters they say, unk, you know, 1:45:23.120 --> 1:45:25.200 you keep it going, man, But you know a lot 1:45:25.240 --> 1:45:26.760 of the oh geez, they'd be trying to get at 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:29.240 me and be like, man, y'all'll understand how we used 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:30.680 to do it back then. And they was like, man, 1:45:31.240 --> 1:45:33.280 the answers are telling me, un I tell him, man, 1:45:33.320 --> 1:45:34.680 it ain't about what you used to do. It is 1:45:34.680 --> 1:45:37.320 what you're doing now. And you're keeping it going, you 1:45:37.400 --> 1:45:40.280 feel me. So it's about what you're doing now too 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:42.080 as well. I'm not saying Little Kim ain't doing it, 1:45:42.160 --> 1:45:44.920 but Nicki, Nicki Minaj is more on the gas, like 1:45:45.080 --> 1:45:49.320 she's continuously opening out music and content like that. You 1:45:49.360 --> 1:45:51.840 know what I'm saying. And I and I respect them both, 1:45:52.600 --> 1:45:55.080 but I think on that one right now, like in 1:45:55.200 --> 1:46:01.080 twenty twenty one, I think Nicky would win laugh Producers 1:46:01.120 --> 1:46:06.560 of Producers Doctor dre Quincy Jones, Oh, man, why do 1:46:06.600 --> 1:46:16.679 you gotta do that? That's crazy? That's crazy. Oh my god, 1:46:16.800 --> 1:46:21.240 that's a heavy one. You d accid that held for 1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:24.519 accing that one right there, Brodie, I would have to say, 1:46:28.840 --> 1:46:31.080 because you know, Quinzy go back with Ray Charles and 1:46:31.160 --> 1:46:36.519 Frank Sinatra. I love Dre. I would have the only 1:46:36.560 --> 1:46:40.880 reason I would say Quincy, But Dre did a lot too, 1:46:41.200 --> 1:46:44.120 But you know, Quinzy got that Michael Jackson. There's too 1:46:44.160 --> 1:46:47.960 many different categories, Like Dre is more urban hip hop, 1:46:48.040 --> 1:46:51.360 but Quincy's urban hip hop, too urban because Quincy, people 1:46:51.400 --> 1:46:54.880 don't know he did Sanford and Son. Yeah, you could 1:46:54.920 --> 1:47:02.400 do Sanford and Men. Or when I listened to that, 1:47:02.600 --> 1:47:05.360 I'm like, who thinks of something like that? Who thinks 1:47:05.400 --> 1:47:07.320 to play? Who thinks to make a song with all 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:09.240 of them? I don't even know what kind of what 1:47:09.600 --> 1:47:12.120 he used to make that ship? Like, how do you 1:47:12.240 --> 1:47:15.040 do that? Bro? You know? So I'm like I would say, 1:47:15.080 --> 1:47:22.240 I would say, I would say I love you Dre. 1:47:22.600 --> 1:47:25.960 But Quincy, Yeah, because of what he's done. If you 1:47:26.040 --> 1:47:28.479 look at this body at work, it's twice. Nobody can 1:47:28.520 --> 1:47:32.240 touch Quincy, nobody, nobody, Nobody can touch Quincy because, like 1:47:32.400 --> 1:47:35.439 you said, Quincy goes back fifty years and he goes 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:38.400 from some Natra to Ray Charles to you know, he 1:47:38.520 --> 1:47:42.240 did Barry White, he did Michael Jackson, he did so many. 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:46.200 But if it came to hip hop, yeah, anybody when 1:47:46.240 --> 1:47:50.040 anybody got me. I mean what maybe a Jimmy jamm 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:52.760 and Terry lewis a complament when it comes to hip hop. 1:47:52.800 --> 1:47:55.200 Came Tobody. Fuck with Doctor Dre Oh yeah yeah yeah 1:47:55.280 --> 1:47:57.479 yeah yeah no no no no, not with the snoop 1:47:57.520 --> 1:48:01.240 in the Tupac his own album, Uh car ya m andem. 1:48:01.320 --> 1:48:03.240 Not not all this body at work, not with as 1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:06.240 long as the train smoke, it should go along with 1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:09.400 the train smoke. Talk to me, baby boy. I appreciate this, Bro. 1:48:09.479 --> 1:48:11.599 We're gonna have a This thing's gonna be out, It's 1:48:11.640 --> 1:48:14.599 gonna be hot. I appreciate the time. And like I said, Bro, 1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:16.840 I know you twenty five years so you've always give 1:48:16.960 --> 1:48:20.719 given me love. So I appreciate the support. Continue success 1:48:20.960 --> 1:48:25.040 in the Tycoon Flurricane, going with the spoons, the noodles. Bro, 1:48:25.320 --> 1:48:28.080 I appreciate everything. Let's go, baby, I love your baby, 1:48:28.400 --> 1:48:32.720 appreciate it all my life, running all my life, sacrifice, 1:48:33.080 --> 1:48:36.840 hustle back pricing, one slice got the bron dice to 1:48:36.880 --> 1:48:39.400 swathing all my life. I've been grinding all my life, 1:48:40.080 --> 1:48:44.879 all my life and running all my life, sacrifice, hustle back, pricing, 1:48:45.400 --> 1:48:48.719 One slice got the bron dice to swathing all my life. 1:48:48.760 --> 1:48:50.080 I've been running all my life,