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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Shasha. I am

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Speaker 1: your host, also the proprietor of Club Shasha and the

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Speaker 1: guy that's coming by for a drinking conversation today. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he's a big one. He's a rapper, songwriter, record executive,

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Speaker 1: a mogul, entrepreneurial. He's been in the game over thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Mister sprinkle me. The Bay Area is final us and

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Speaker 1: you can't mention the brap game without mentioning his name.

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Speaker 1: Forty water, mister E forty. All my life, the grinding

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Speaker 1: all my life, sacrifice, hustle, back price, one slice got

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Speaker 1: the dice, swadd all my life. I've been grinding in

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Speaker 1: all my life, all my life, then running all my life, sacrifice, hustle,

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Speaker 1: baty prices, one slice got the bron dice swaddy all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding in all my life. E forty.

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Speaker 1: What's up? What's up family? How you doing, buddy? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm good man. Thanks for stopping by today. Man, I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Man.

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Speaker 1: But you know, before we get started, you know, we've

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Speaker 1: been dealing with this pandemic for like the last sixteen months.

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Speaker 1: Club Shah had a hard time getting this reserve, and

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Speaker 1: you know so, but uh, I reached out to my

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Speaker 1: good friend a fault and I got some of this.

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Speaker 1: This is some of this. Tycoon Kanyak, Hello, Tycoo Corneyak

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Speaker 1: right here. Yeah, you know, you know, I know you

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Speaker 1: got a lot of spirits, you got Tycoon, you got

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Speaker 1: Earl Steven's wine, you got the e forty Slurri Kane,

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Speaker 1: you got a tequila bra, you got a lot of

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Speaker 1: got a lot of irons in the fire. Talk to

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Speaker 1: me about it. You know, I started off selling wine online.

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Speaker 1: And everybody know it's natural, like an Afro for me

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Speaker 1: to speak about a dope beverages because all my career

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Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty eight on up. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: that's all I talk about. You know, I used to

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Speaker 1: talk about a lot of wine. You know what I said.

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Speaker 1: I always talk about Corneiak and stuff like that and everything.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, to make a long story short, to have

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to still wine online because I'm right

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Speaker 1: next door to Napa, California. You know that's wine country

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Speaker 1: right light. Hell, we same very cold. You know, I

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Speaker 1: can stick my arm out there. And now I'm in Nappa,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's how close we are.

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Speaker 1: So actually, so I sell the Earl Stevens wine online.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to call it E forty I know,

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Speaker 1: other dree I just wanted to call it my real name,

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Speaker 1: Earl Stevens and give them that. And I wanted to

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Speaker 1: make it when you know, if somebody seen it and

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't know that's me, but those who who know

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Speaker 1: my real name was Earl Stevens would know it's me,

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Speaker 1: you feel me. And I wanted to do that like

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Speaker 1: on a speak easy type of note, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like just like a whisper the whisper circuit,

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Speaker 1: like you know, to see forty stuff, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So a lot of people right now I

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Speaker 1: don't even know Earl Stevens is me. They don't even

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Speaker 1: know that's my wine. The mango scott are going crazy

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Speaker 1: eighteen percent alcohol thirty six. But anyway, I said on

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Speaker 1: wine online, and and then I ended up selling going

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Speaker 1: to a distributor called Southern Glazie Wine and Spirits. They

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Speaker 1: tasted it, they was like, okay, we in. I saw

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Speaker 1: a few cases to a few retail stores. Next thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, I saw fifty six cases to a store

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Speaker 1: and valet all calls food for less from food for Less,

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Speaker 1: that was a whole palette. Next thing you know, it

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Speaker 1: was a truck load. Then Southern Glazier Wine Spirits picked

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Speaker 1: premise and off premise Jim remarking all over the chain

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Speaker 1: stores all that, and it just went and it took

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Speaker 1: off from there, and that was twenty fourteen. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you a question. What's the difference between Earl Stevens

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Speaker 1: products and E forty products? Okay, E forty products is

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Speaker 1: more or less like the Earl Stevens products is kind

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Speaker 1: of like ultra premium, like super premium. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. The forty products is like uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Premix cocktail drinks, ready to drink Premix cocktail drinks like

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Speaker 1: the Slurycane E forty Hurricane Blue Lagoon, forty story Cane

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Speaker 1: New Orleans and E forty Slurycane Yellow Bird, which I

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Speaker 1: got from the Bahamas. When I you also, I think

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Speaker 1: you see a pots and pans. I see you, I

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Speaker 1: see you on social media. You be cooking that you

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Speaker 1: call yourself the goon with a spoon? What got you

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Speaker 1: into cooking? And do you like cooking? Why? I'd love cooking, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, being the oldest for uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: of no way. You know, my mom and pop stayed

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Speaker 1: divorced when I was eight and a half. But my

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Speaker 1: And he stayed there. Chick paid child support. But but

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Speaker 1: but for the majority of the situation, I was the

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Speaker 1: had to work two and three jobs and I had

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Speaker 1: to you know, beat it, beat the old I was

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Speaker 1: the oldest, so I had to be a father figure

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Speaker 1: to my my my siblings, you know. And so it's

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Speaker 1: you know, two I had two brothers that was in

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Speaker 1: that house and my sister, Sugar Tea. So you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we all we was raised. I

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Speaker 1: just talked. I was self talk kind of. And then

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Speaker 1: I also worked at a restaurant in Nicia, California called

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Speaker 1: the Commonized Restaurants, which I think way back then was

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Speaker 1: pretty much a Mitchell and Start restaurant because all the

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Speaker 1: rich people used to go there. And I started off

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Speaker 1: setting you know, I started off watching dishes, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, as a teenager in there. And then

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Speaker 1: I worked my way up real quick. I started washing

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Speaker 1: dishes and uh, working at the pantry, making a making

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Speaker 1: a what you call it stuff? Oh my god, calamari

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff calamary. And then I started learning

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Speaker 1: how to cook chicken corn on blue. You know, when

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Speaker 1: I went to the kitchen chicken corn on blue at

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Speaker 1: Scargo London, broil orange roughie fish like you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm with almonds and pant fried. You know what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying with with h and muscles, muscles with wine, salt,

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Speaker 1: limon limons. In other words, you just picked up this

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Speaker 1: by just watching the chefs and the other cooks cook

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Speaker 1: because you're not really trained. You didn't go to school

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Speaker 1: to be a chef or to be a cook. You

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Speaker 1: just watch other people do it. You like, picked it

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Speaker 1: up like hell, I can do that, yeah, definitely the

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Speaker 1: most definitely, And that's how it happened, you know. And

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Speaker 1: when my mother in law bought me a uh. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, she bought me a power pressure cook.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I used to always hear you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: see Grandmama and them, all the grandmama's they have pressure

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Speaker 1: you gotta know how to really work them things. But

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Speaker 1: knowing how to cook. So then I started working my

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Speaker 1: Pots and Pants game, you know, my othern game. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I became the gul with

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Speaker 1: the spoon, which you know that's a street word. My cousin,

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Speaker 1: be Legit made that up. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: He cray, he said, he came with the gun with

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Speaker 1: the spoon. You smelled me and I just I just

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Speaker 1: turned it into a you know, we're both saying it

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Speaker 1: in our lyrics. That's what we do. We share a

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Speaker 1: game because we're from the same thing, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna becoming this big. So

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Speaker 1: it became real big. So I was like, I had

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Speaker 1: my boy cousin fi have his guy made me a

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Speaker 1: logo and he made that and it was the gun

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Speaker 1: with the spoon and it we just took it there.

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Speaker 1: Because if Fike love you too, man, I meant to

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Speaker 1: tell you, that's the guy I was telling you about earlier, right,

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Speaker 1: master P. I talked to him the other day and

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Speaker 1: he was talking about you and him go back all

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Speaker 1: these years, and he had mad respect. Boy, you say,

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Speaker 1: that's my brother. And he was telling me how he

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Speaker 1: hooked you up with the noodles, and he was like, man,

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Speaker 1: he's like, hey, we eat noodles. So let's let's go

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Speaker 1: and let's see we can get cooking with this. Because

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes for it is that people look, they're

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Speaker 1: always looking to invent something that's never been invented, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to it, there's something that's already there. How about

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Speaker 1: we approve improve on that and sell that to our

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Speaker 1: to our to our communities. That's right, why not we

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Speaker 1: can do we? You know, now, black owned businesses is

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Speaker 1: in full effect. You know. He always had that state

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Speaker 1: age early and that we we learned that in music

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Speaker 1: we was independent, me and him. We come up on

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Speaker 1: So you know, you know he got he he came

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Speaker 1: then it went to noodles and then that now it's

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Speaker 1: and on my end, I'm doing my thing, you know

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Speaker 1: talk and it's all love. We took teamwork, make the

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Speaker 1: James got at me, say, Pete, want you on these

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Speaker 1: on these noodles, man, the icon noodles, you know, and

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Speaker 1: that's an honor and a pleasure, you know, because you

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Speaker 1: know he Pete don't just pick anybody. You know, Pete

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Speaker 1: small to dude man, so he ain't just gonna do

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Speaker 1: got for me and we break when we breaking bread.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's how we do it.

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Speaker 1: So we're trying to we're trying to preach black on

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Speaker 1: you know, entrepreneurship. You know what I'm saying. Just you know,

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Speaker 1: being being, being the vendor of record. You know, the

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Speaker 1: that's that's what I am with a Dope beverage. It's

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent owner of everything that I do, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it don't have to be one hundred percent owner.

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Speaker 1: You can have the business partners. I got a business

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Speaker 1: partner in the Lumpia Company, which I own a restaurant

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Speaker 1: of Filippino. In the restaurant, his name is Alex Petto,

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Speaker 1: Chef Alex loup be a chef, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you know, when you team up like that,

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Speaker 1: maybe one day we'll do a good with the spoon

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Speaker 1: slash uh rap snacks uh you know brand or something

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Speaker 1: you never know, you know, vice versa. So you we

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Speaker 1: just it's all about you know, you scratch my back,

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Speaker 1: I scratched your Let's go teamwork, make the dream work.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. Man, you've been from the Bay area.

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Speaker 1: How much it being from the Bay and knowing they

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Speaker 1: have Philicon Valley and knowing that you're right next to Nappa,

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Speaker 1: How did that weigh on you? Like, because you've invested

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Speaker 1: in startups, you have these fears, you have the wine.

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Speaker 1: How heavily did that influence you? Being so close? You're like, Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm right here, I might as gonna take advantage of

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Speaker 1: helped me out tremendously, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: I always had you know, I used to work at

422
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Speaker 1: the I used to have a paper route, okay, all

423
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,800
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And on that paper my granddaddy had

424
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Speaker 1: one earlier too. He had one early in the morning.

425
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 1: The papers will be delivered to me. Here, can pick

426
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Speaker 1: me up and it'll be delivered to him too. But

427
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 1: he'll pick me up and uh, and I it'll be

428
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,680
Speaker 1: early in the morning before school, like five am. You

429
00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Remember, mind you, I was in band.

430
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 1: I played the drums from the fourth grade all the

431
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 1: way to the twelfth grade. That they didn't have studios

432
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Back when I was in the

433
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: fourth grade on up. You know what I mean, everything

434
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 1: was angry. So anyway, so remember I had zero period band.

435
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta danger be at at school at

436
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: like seven thirty. So I had to be already dressed

437
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 1: everything so grand Daddy could picked me up four thirty

438
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: five am in the morning. And so one day I'm

439
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: on the paper route with him, and uh, I'm I was.

440
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 1: I was an observer of the game, always been a

441
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: student of the game. So I always pay attention to

442
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: older people and everything. I just used to everything around me.

443
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: And one day I'm in the car with him. He

444
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,119
Speaker 1: was like it was just me and here he just grandson.

445
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,479
Speaker 1: I say, hey, granddadd he just you were you were

446
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 1: heavy at thinker Huh, I say, a grand Daddy, because

447
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 1: I was in deep thought. I'll just be That's why

448
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: I'm so thought like this. I'm just a thinker, you

449
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm here and that's why I'm woke. But yeah, man,

450
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 1: I always I used to work for South in South

451
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: Valo during the summer at Valle Neighborhood housing because I drew.

452
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 1: I used to like to draw. So I take an

453
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: old house, you know what I'm saying, and I draw

454
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: the old house and then show how it's gonna look

455
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: at the end of it when it's done, completely furbished

456
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: and everything. Yeah, I used to do that, man, I

457
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,119
Speaker 1: used to do you know. I was, ah, I never

458
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: let grass grow under my feet. Man, wasn't letting a

459
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: standing steel but an old ass hill and a broken

460
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: down bottom field on my behalf. You feel, So what

461
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: inspired you to get into the music? What inspired you

462
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: to wrap? What inspired me to wrap was when I

463
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: first heard the sugar Hill Game nine Rappers, Delight Rappers,

464
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: Delight Boy. When I heard that, I'm like, what the

465
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: hell is this new form of music? You know? And

466
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: it was just everybody at my school was singing it.

467
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: It was new, and I know that song all the

468
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: way through. He was about twenty minute long, but everybody

469
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: knew it. Everybody knew that song. Man, the chicken Wood,

470
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 1: the chicken taste like something. It was like all kinds

471
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 1: of the hip hop. H I mean, you gotta remember

472
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: that was you know hip hop? Who was seventy nine?

473
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 1: Was that it ye forty one years ago, forty two

474
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: years ago that came out That's a trip, bro. So

475
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: basically that made me start rapping, just playing around right,

476
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: you know. But before that, I'm listening now, when you

477
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: started your your style didn't immediately catch on. It wasn't

478
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: until years later that people appreciated your style, your flow,

479
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: your caters. Until this day, nobody has ever been able

480
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: to replicate what you've been able to do on the bike. No,

481
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: because I took My style is unpredictable because I don't

482
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: even know how I'm a flow like it just depends

483
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: on how to be sound or what what what what?

484
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,479
Speaker 1: You know, whatever direction my flows take me because I'm

485
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: all over the place like space right everywhere like air,

486
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was like, I just because

487
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: I can do it all, bro, I can wrap slow,

488
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: and I can wrap that. I wrap real slow, laid

489
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: back cause I like mob music. And then I just

490
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: turned it, turn it on. Then it come that you

491
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: know that that that mouthpiece with a shift kid in it.

492
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I guess just get the

493
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: gas and you know what I'm saying, that's when the

494
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: dual exhausts kick in and that when I take off,

495
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: that's when motherfucker's be like, oh my god, it's nigga.

496
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So, but the but the

497
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: style and the way you do it, the words, the caters,

498
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: that's what it is. I mean, your flow, Like I said,

499
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: nobody has ever been able to replicate that. No, we

500
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: see rappers that you know, rested soul pop smoke, he

501
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: sounds like fifty and we see heard rappers that sound

502
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: like some of the modern day rappers. But you and

503
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: that style that's so unique to the Bay and to

504
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: e fort It. Why can't someone flow like that? So

505
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 1: it's people I've grew up on too as well that

506
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can say that has influences on me too,

507
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: and you would never know though, Like like you got

508
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: a kind of KrF one vibe, Definitely, I got carras

509
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: one in me. I got too short in me. I

510
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: got some brothers from Richmond, California named Magic Mike and Calvint. Yeah,

511
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: you know, I care can go from your t F

512
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: four if you ever heard they just can't go from

513
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: you t F Yeah, I made my voice like that.

514
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: You feel me like like it's a lot of I

515
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: got influences too, But when you put me all together,

516
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: like I got like iced t in me, you won't

517
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: even know I got iced t in me? Right, you know,

518
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: I got the streets in me, and I ten straight

519
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: street shit, you feel right. So anyway, it's a whole

520
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: bunch of rappers man, and and and and it's me

521
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: too with my character and my my cadence come from

522
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: playing of drums. Right well, if you if you listen

523
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: to my cadences, it's drum, it's all. It's percussion. It's

524
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: a percussion flow stole. You know what I'm saying. You,

525
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, when you first started out, they're like, man,

526
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: that's whack. I mean, nobody was really trying to collab

527
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: with you. So what were you thinking? Then You're like, hey, man,

528
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm not here. I'm out here doing what I do.

529
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know my stuff good, I know it think,

530
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: but I can't get no love. Man. It bothered me up.

531
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: Like I actually, I tell you one day, man, when

532
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: we in nineteen eighty eight. We had our me, my brother,

533
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: my brother Mac d Shot, my cousin be Legit, my

534
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: sister Sugar Tea. We was called m VP Most Valuable Players.

535
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: We had a place called the Pros Pros DJs. We

536
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: played our music for them. It was like probably maybe

537
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: fifty fifty people in the room, maybe a hundred, I

538
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: don't know. And I was like, so we played it

539
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: and you know they was they No one gave us

540
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: no feedback. My man Casper, which I talked to last week,

541
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: he was like, what do you gotta stack? And no

542
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: one said nothing. They didn't say nothing about like, man,

543
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: you know you need to go back to the drawing board.

544
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: I think you should work on this a little more.

545
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: It's like y'all not quite there or whatever. They just

546
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: did us like that. So I man, my heart start racing.

547
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: I start having a panic attack, like you know, like

548
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I start getting anxiety. Oh my first time ever experienced

549
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: anything like that. You gotta understand, I had one foot

550
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: on the turf and I had one foot in the

551
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: vocal booth, right, so I wasn't you know what I'm saying,

552
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Yeah, So I'm I'm stressed out. So I

553
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm worried about if if if, if one

554
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: of these old scaled let's ask motherfuckers friends to try

555
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: to kick in my door and I'm gonna have to

556
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: open them up. Or if you know what I'm saying,

557
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Or if I'm I'm a fair as a poet, propo

558
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: fan to be on my anus, you know what I'm saying.

559
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, I gotta I was. I

560
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: was stressed out. I was caught between a rock and

561
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: a political hard place. It wasn't a catch twenty two,

562
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: It's a catch twenty three. Luckily I had, like I said,

563
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: my grandparents, my auntie's name, a mom and them everybody

564
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: prayer warriors. They wanted to I'm the chosen one of

565
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: the family, you know what I'm saying. And they knew

566
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: they seen it. They knew I was gonna beat somebody.

567
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: They knew I wanted after streets. They knew that I

568
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: wanted to be this this influence. So they knew I

569
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: wanted to be a motivator. You know. You know what

570
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Oh, I'm here to inspire, you know what

571
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And they knew that, they knew what I

572
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: was gonna be so anyway that that that did what

573
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: it did. I was holding the grudge up until recently

574
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: when my uncle say Charles like, man, you know what,

575
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: don't don't don't say the word hate when you hate,

576
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: when you don't like somebody, Just say you don't you

577
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: don't you know you you don't, you don't rock with them,

578
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean something like that. You know

579
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Because you say, you know that can

580
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: come back on you because there's a lot of people

581
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: I can really have, I can really not ever like

582
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: in my life you have problems have issues with Yeah,

583
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: because they did me wrong, you know what I'm saying.

584
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: But I'm a real good person, you know. And so

585
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: but at the time, at the time, did you think

586
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: did you do you think they knew they were doing

587
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: you wrong? Or it was just that what what do

588
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: you think that problems? Now that I'm older, because you know,

589
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: with with with age comes wisdom older, I get watching,

590
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking on the outside looking in and they

591
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: probably just didn't understand how you know, we was ahead

592
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: of our time, right, you know, but at that time

593
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: my style didn't develop that quick like that. It was

594
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: like kind of looking normal. It was. That was my

595
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: first little goal. So I'm like, man, it was right

596
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: in the pocket. It wasn't like it was some thowd

597
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: shit like I like, I'm told now like I might

598
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: style everywhere like air. You know what I'm saying. So

599
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, your style was like a Tesla. Tesla been

600
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: out for a minute, but they didn't get hopped until

601
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: like the last five two years. And now they've blowing

602
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: up like everything. Not nitro, just like Tito's vodka. Took

603
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: him twenty years to really getting known everywhere, and look

604
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: at him now, Yeah, in their status. You see. You

605
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. So you're wrong. Wasn't built in

606
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: a day, you feel me? They caught up. They finally

607
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: caught up. Now everybody rapping fast. Now everybody know what's

608
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: happening now, Now everybody know all my slang words. It's

609
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: just now surfacing that I said when some of these

610
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: rappers was kids, before they wasn't even born. I was

611
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: saying the words that they created a lot of rappers

612
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: for it. But I don't even trip because I'm older

613
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: and wiser. It's like I know history peace itself, and

614
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: I know how it going. They got it from somebody

615
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: that got it from somebody that got it from somebody

616
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: that got it from me. You feel me, you you

617
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: got it. That's your style. They came by folk, they

618
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: came like fo people after you. But that's you in

619
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: real life. And so you know, like I said, I'm so,

620
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm so much in a happy space man, and a

621
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: good I'm here to be a motivator man and more.

622
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: People want these junsters to see how I get down.

623
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I'm not into no sucker stuff, man, I'm just trying

624
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: to be solid, not solid. Did you ever think about

625
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: changing your style because you weren't getting the love you weren't.

626
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: You weren't getting the play that you thought you deserved.

627
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: So did you think about changing your style? Your float? Nah?

628
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: My mama told me, she said, whatever you do, boy,

629
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: you just keep rapping fast because she used to see me.

630
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was. I rubbed my

631
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: neck like back here, and it was all listen my

632
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: shoulders to be real tense. So one day my auntie say,

633
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: why are you so tense? Boys? She's like, and I said,

634
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, a little stress. I guess you stuck

635
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: here said that was stressed. I was stressed out at

636
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a young age, right, you know what I'm saying. So

637
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know. So I was like my Mamma used

638
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: to always tell me, she said, boy, keep rapping, doing

639
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: your things. She was always she always motivated me. She

640
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: used to tell us who you know, she raising three

641
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: boys and one girl on Magazine Street. She like, y'all

642
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: get out there and be men. Get out there and

643
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: be men. Experienced the world, and that's what we did.

644
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: She gave us our freedom to go. That's why we

645
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: saw ahead of our time we would be. We would

646
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: be out of When we were fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old,

647
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: we everywhere I'm talking about out of state. We all

648
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: over the place. And my mom was still working three jobs.

649
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: Worked at State Hospital, you understand. He was worked at

650
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: mister Jimmy's around the corner on Folt Street, I mean

651
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: on the Laurel Street and the hillside. Worked at vallel

652
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: neighborhood house and I used to watch walls with it.

653
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: Worked at Maggie's Hamburger's on Nitial Row. Like you know

654
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. She doing all these side jobs just

655
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: to take care of us. You know, my dad paid

656
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: child support, but you know. That was you know, four kids,

657
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, and we was into sports. So four hundred

658
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: dollars wasn't the number, I know, because he had to

659
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: pay fourteen. I think it's foulteen total for four kids,

660
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: which he did because he worked for PG and he

661
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, I love my pops. You don't say that,

662
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: but I said that wasn't enough for us. We was active.

663
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: We played football, baseball, We played all week. You know

664
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: you're a week a week, bro, That's what I'm saying.

665
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: You feel me. I'm looking at your your resume. You

666
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: dropped twenty seven solo albums. What is the thought bro,

667
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: when you go into the I mean, do you need

668
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: a beat and then write or do you write with

669
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: a beat in mind? What's the process like for e

670
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: forty writing writing a song? Well, first off, it's more

671
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: than twenty seven. That's a that's old data because they

672
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: say that they've been saying that for the last four years.

673
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: So what you what you up to? Now? We're gonna

674
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: make sure we get it right. Bertie, It's okay, fam

675
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: this this is you read enough to thing. It's like,

676
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Now I gotta count because I

677
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: dropped something like in December. You know what I'm saying,

678
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: jointing because they haven't added you know, to beat Me

679
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: and beat LEGiT's album, you know, to respect, they didn't

680
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: do me in two short history. Mob must function music

681
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: like they ain't adding you know, the one Me and

682
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: two Shots just did recently. They ain't added all the group,

683
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: the group albums I've been with the click by my

684
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. You know what I'm saying, my brother

685
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: and sister. My brother's an sister. Anyway, make a long

686
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: story short, but no, I uh you had let's get

687
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: back right when you say, I'm sitting up here trying

688
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: to correct you about how many albums? What was the

689
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: what was the question after that? As far as I

690
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: ask you when you go in, are you do you

691
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: need a beat and write to the beat? Or have

692
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: you written a song with a beating mind? Man, A

693
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: lot of times I do write songs with a beating mind.

694
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: And then but but I do I take notes? Okay,

695
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: so you know if I if I say, uh, make

696
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: up something like uh, you know they say wrong what

697
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: they say, they say, uh, life ain't promise tomorrow. I

698
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: say life, A life ain't promise today? And I say

699
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: that in my little tape quarter or also I write

700
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: it in my notes on my iPhone life life and

701
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: promise tomorrow or today. You know what I'm saying. Okay,

702
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: And you know, and that's something my uncle them used

703
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: to say. You feel me, that's how That's how I

704
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: say it, right, I come just like that, and then

705
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: that's how I'm so thad like I'm all over the place.

706
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: So you know that's how I right. But I would

707
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: love to. I love when a beat has a hook

708
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: to it, all right, when these producers send it with

709
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: the hook, whether they write the hook in my voice

710
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: like they ride it and say forty you say this

711
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: part on the hook, because I'm gonna give them. They

712
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: put they publishing, they write this list all that. That's

713
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: all cool. You know. People don't write for me. But

714
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: if you want to write a hook for me, all

715
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: they do it, you can do. You can do a

716
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: hook for me if you want to. You know what

717
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So you have everything that everything that that

718
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: that that that forty fit forty rode. Oh yeah, man,

719
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: but you know we also have every rapper. Can you can, hey,

720
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: if a motherfucker line, if they ain't saying they they

721
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: got a house full of their partners and they say, faulty.

722
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: What we're saying it like this? Now this is the

723
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: new word they're saying. And they just and they say,

724
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: and you put that in all? They say, what if

725
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: you say it like this? Just a couple of lines.

726
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: Everybody bought a couple of bars, and so what they

727
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: what they folks around them? You know what I'm saying.

728
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: It's called vibing. Every rapper. Fuck what they're talking about.

729
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: They know it. You know what I'm saying. Even though

730
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: we right, we do, we right all ship. But I'm

731
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: just saying everybody to participate like that, you know, whether

732
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: they helping him, helping him come with a hook or

733
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: something like ideals flow, you know what I'm saying. Family

734
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: members like all that shit. You know, So that's how

735
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: that shit go. Forty You've had You've been on a

736
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: track with Tupac, two Short Little john Snoop Dogg, Mac Dre,

737
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Big Sean, scar Face, Top Dollars, slide Yo, got it?

738
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Who brings out the best? And when you when you

739
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: were on when you were on a co lab with

740
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: one of those guys, you know they're gonna bring it,

741
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: are you saying, you know what, Oh, I got something

742
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: for him. I got something today. I'm gonna lay this

743
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: track down. This thing's gonna be a smoker. Anybody I

744
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: do a song with period, it's friendly competition. I'm gonna

745
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: try to outgash you, no matter if it's your son

746
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: or my song, I'm gonna try to outgash you. You

747
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: wanna try to turn the man up on either own fault?

748
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: How are you gonna come to them? How you gonna

749
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: come to the man? How it go? Try to and

750
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: put your feet up on his coffee table and show

751
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: out in front of hill. You know why because it

752
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: makes the song bigger and greater. Because it's called friendly competition.

753
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: So we're both showing out. It's gonna make the song

754
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: super hard, right, super super hard? Like I got a

755
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: song right now. Then I'm dropping the video for in

756
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: a couple of days. And that song it's called Our

757
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: Stand on that Now. We did this song about four

758
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: months ago and we put it out, but we just

759
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: did the video to it, and I'm just now like,

760
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: damn man, we was all gassing on that thing. Like

761
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: it's tremendous gas. It's like unheard of gas, and it's

762
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: joining Lucas, myself and Ti and we on there rapping

763
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: like Joyner always rapped like that. With me and Tip,

764
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: we we ain't. We never rapped like that. Well I

765
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: have a little bit, but me and Tip we we

766
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: we ain't rapped like that in many years. You know

767
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like New Scoopa, but it's we

768
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: never rapped like that. But when you hear it, it's

769
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: gassy in every word. You can hear it. And just

770
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: y'all look out for that video it's called I Stand

771
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: on that. So, like I say, man, I could do

772
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: any style. I'm all over the place where my flows

773
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: and I just love creating things being different. When you different,

774
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: you can become an innovator. If you sound like everybody else,

775
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If you, if you if

776
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: you continuously just want to be the second dude, what's

777
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: whatever's in? You can do? What's that? Whatever it is in?

778
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: Because it's good to keep your eye on the ball

779
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: so you won't strike out, you know what I'm saying,

780
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: So you won't go down. You know looking, you know

781
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, keep your eye on the ball and

782
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: dial in Because the reason I say that is, you

783
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: gotta turn with the times or the time's gonna turn

784
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: on you. But you gotta do it in your way

785
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: and your and keep it in your jurisdiction, it within

786
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: your envelope and make it you because, like I say,

787
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: during it, it was a it was a time in

788
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: the Bay Area. It was called the Heifi movement right

789
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: due to people like my man, Rick Rock, Droopy and

790
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: so on and so forth, tracks Million, and a whole

791
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: bunch of other producers. The beats was up to became

792
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: up Temple, especially Rick Rock, because I mean Rick Rock

793
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: had him up Temple and that's I'm like, man, all

794
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: you gotta do it's just spit what's going on. You

795
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. In your way, Spit it. You

796
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: ain't lying. Tell what's going on. Put some game in there.

797
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: A few boys, you know, do your thing and just

798
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: do it on the up Temple beat. A lot of cats. Man,

799
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: I ain't with that, man, it's just mob music. I'm nigga.

800
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm the one who made my music. I created that

801
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: meat legit and at Banks and studio telling and Mike

802
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: Moseley and say I'm Boston and Rick Rocking all us.

803
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying right going down the line.

804
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like we we were just doing something.

805
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: We were adjusting to the times. It's different times. We

806
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: gotta be innovators. So up temple Beats spitting that good

807
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: old spitting straight gasoline over them. It's where it's that

808
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: because the cats was like, man, I ain't with that. Man,

809
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm keeping they were stubborn. I'm like, man, you ain't stubborn.

810
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: You just don't know how to do it. Are you

811
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: just gonna want to put your brain to do it?

812
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying a lot of people got

813
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: stuck in the mud, not trying to adapt. And I

814
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: stayed with the youngsters and the new generation and still

815
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: with me and out gassing motherfuckers. And still to this day,

816
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm a half a century years old and I still

817
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: wrap circles around the majority of the mother For your

818
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: favorite rappers, trust that who haven't you worked with that

819
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: you would like to work with, as far as maybe

820
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: a collab, maybe a producer, because I think it was

821
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: somebody that I think it was doctor Dre. I don't

822
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: know if you've done anything with doctor Dre. And you

823
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: said you would like to like to do something with

824
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: doctor Dre and you would think that, hell, he from Cali,

825
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm from Cali. We'd have linked up at some point

826
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: in time by now, but it just hasn't happened. I

827
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: really don't think doctor Dre mean anything by it. It's

828
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: just I'm not. I don't stay in LA. I'm the base.

829
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: So I think if I was closer to him, I've

830
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: been a doctor Doctor Dre. I loved me being around him,

831
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's how I feel because

832
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm a character. I'm a good person. I ain't scanned this,

833
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: so none of that ships, you know what I'm saying.

834
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: Just a creative person he created. I'm creative, but I

835
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: figure man. Like I say, as you get older, you

836
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: get wiser, and with age comes wisdom. I'm like, you

837
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: know that they might come, it might come. Have you

838
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: picked up white what? Have you picked up the phone

839
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: and tried to reach out? I mean, you know, we tried.

840
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: We tried before, you know, we tried. We tried to

841
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: do a song. Actually I did. He sent me a

842
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: song through my man's silk and me and being short

843
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: and guess what, and we never did go all the

844
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: way through with it. It wasn't me or him. We

845
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, but that beat never because you know,

846
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: dress sitting on some beats, He's sitting on some good songs.

847
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: They say there's a lot of songs he got in

848
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: the vote that he ain't put it out for yet.

849
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: You know what people been on, you know what I'm saying.

850
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: And so I was like, okay, so one of them,

851
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: one of them songs. You know, I was like, oh,

852
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: I can't waste these lyrics. I'm gonna use this on

853
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: another song, right, you know, But that ain't why me

854
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: and it ain't that ain't why. It's just we just

855
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to connect. But he is on

856
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Mount Westmore on one of them. He got on the

857
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: song for Mount Westmore me he Snoop Dog too short

858
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: and Ice cued. He did do that because you know

859
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: that's Snoop, that's Snoop and and Ice cue. Real friend,

860
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I got I got respected

861
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: love for him, you know what I'm saying. But you know,

862
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: when we have, you know, met and ran across each other,

863
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: it's nothing but love and respect. You started this Bay thing,

864
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: but one of the biggest Bay Area rappers is Tupac

865
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: and and a lot of people have him on their mouth,

866
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: rush more than you have a very unique You can

867
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: tell stories about Tupac that very few people can because

868
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: you knew him on a different level. You knew him

869
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: back there before he blew up and became Tupac Death

870
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Road Tupac talk to us about POC and how did

871
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: he pushed you to become the rapper you became. Well,

872
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: I think we pushed each other because he grew up

873
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: on me. But at the same time he became he

874
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: blossom quicker than me, right and I and I grew

875
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: up on It was artists that started there before me

876
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: as well, Like shout out to mc hammer, yeah hammer, Yeah,

877
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, but I've always been there, like you know,

878
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm just eighty eight, like music on the Shelson's eighty

879
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: eight that ain't too hard to you know, it ain't

880
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: too many, you know. I just didn't blow up right

881
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: then and there. My mine came a year and a

882
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: half later. I started, you know, when I came with

883
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: you know the ship that the fuck with your Brain

884
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: and less Side and mister Flamboyant and all that good stuff,

885
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: and they just start taking off from there. You know

886
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: what I mean. But I would say, man, so many,

887
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: so many stories. Let's see it. Let's see. I'll tell

888
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: you about a phone conversation. You know what I'm saying,

889
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: because I tell a lot of other stuff when we

890
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: and you know together, the phone conversation. You know, he

891
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: was just telling me I probably talked about this before.

892
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, forty because we was going to

893
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: hang up on the phone. We was talking and then

894
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: we're going to hang up, and he says, oh, fu

895
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: fall I meant to tell you, man, uh, you might

896
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: want to invest in this, you know, and this this

897
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: this thing. I came with an ideal. Man, I want

898
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: to call. You know, they got planned in Hollywood. I think,

899
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: I think I want to do something. Call. You know

900
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Gangster cafe. Man. When you know you

901
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: have all the casters like you know, Al Capone and

902
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: Lucky Luciano and you know, all these cats on the walls.

903
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: But it's a it's a it's a cafe. It's you

904
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: they serving food, they got you know, they playing music

905
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: from the Rolling twenties or whatever, you know what I'm saying,

906
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: or whatever whenever that era was. And you know what

907
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying he was. He had it laid out, He

908
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: had that ideal, and that was interesting because he wanted

909
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: all the he wanted all his partners to invest in

910
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: it and what not. And he had the vision. And

911
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: now if he did something like that, he had had

912
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: the money. He had raised that money. You know what

913
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He had raised that money. He'll put h

914
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: start with fun and it'll be all the fixtures to

915
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: get in and like this is owned by you know,

916
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: forty and a whole bunch of other cats, you know

917
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's just the opportunities. He wasn't

918
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: there at the time, but he had all the visions

919
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: and he was ahead of his time, and he did

920
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: so much and so little time. The man was only

921
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. And let me tell you something.

922
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: And he got that bay in I mean, player about

923
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: it for show. The way he carried itself, you know

924
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: all that. You know what I'm saying. Man, the man

925
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: with the man was a fashion like the way he was.

926
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: He was a real true thug with it, but a

927
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: GQ looking thug like the way he carried itself, the

928
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: way he dressed his whole heavy you know, what I'm saying,

929
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's that was the look. That's all of

930
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: us worth a side. And the field shirts and I

931
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: had a feel him too, fat. I had a field

932
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: of them on field shirts with that print. That was

933
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: that was, that was what was in at the time.

934
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: You feel that was real? Bossy? What what what made

935
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: Park special in the rap game? What? What? What was

936
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: so unique about him? Because if you think about Brenda

937
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: had a baby and he uh, you talked about he

938
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: talked about the song I forget about his mom, Uh

939
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: dear mom. I think that was uh, But anyway he

940
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: talked about I mean, yeah, he talked about the violence

941
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: and the drugs and all that stuff. But he talked

942
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: about real life, you know, how Brenda, how he gave up,

943
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, got pregnant at thirteen fourteen, and the love

944
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: for his mam. What made him so unique. He talked

945
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: about the street, He talked of his vision, his storytelling.

946
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: He uh, you know, being from you know, black panther background,

947
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: his mom and you know all that stuff. He was

948
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: like a rebel, you know. And one thing he touched

949
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: on was the octagon, you know, the trap, the case.

950
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, The soil, the hood, the

951
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the smudge, you know, And

952
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's what he that's and that's what

953
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: made him so unique. And he uplift male and female

954
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: spirits because you know, a touched home with the stuff

955
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: he was saying. Yes, you know what I mean. And

956
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: that's what made him so dope. And he and he

957
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: did a lot of what they called pain wrap. He

958
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: was doing that way back then. That's why we all

959
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: felt it, you know, we all felt it. And and

960
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: that's what he specialized in. That's why his music lasted

961
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: so long. That's why you got to consider him the

962
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: greatest rapper of all times. It's not it ain't what

963
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: just what he just did in the vocal booth, but

964
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: him being an actor, a poet like you know what

965
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, doing poetry, uh, you know he did, and

966
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: just being a leader like if you you know right now,

967
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: you know during this whole plandemic, you know, during the

968
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: during the and the protester, Yeah, you know, he would

969
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: be on the front line with the biggest mouth, yes,

970
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: with a bullhorn, with hell of people behind him. You

971
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That man was ahead of his time, bro.

972
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: And and you know, I hate when people don't give

973
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: people the roses when they alive. You know what I'm saying,

974
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: give people they roses, man, you know, because you look

975
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: back and just be like, man, he man, how did

976
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: they do all that? You know what I'm saying? He

977
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: did so much and so a little time. And looking

978
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: how long his albums lasted. Yeah, you know, look how

979
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: long they lasted after he after he passed, it was

980
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: so much music out there, bro, Yeah, it's gonna be

981
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: a party. Is hard to define a rap album. That's

982
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: harder than all lives on me and then you Baby,

983
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I was on come on. That was a that was special.

984
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: And like you said, he was twenty five. If you

985
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: look at he and Biggie, Biggie was bigger, had like

986
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: basically a two two year, two and a half three

987
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: year career park even though he was with Digital Underground.

988
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm talking about have a solo. I mean, he didn't

989
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: have a decade. He didn't have twenty years like a

990
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: lot of these rappers had. Can't you imagine if he

991
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: had a decade or a twenty year run he and

992
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: Biggie what the rap game would have been. Some time

993
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: got on one of them upstairs. Early man. I figured

994
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: he wanted the angels looking over people like myself and

995
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of other Cassett you know what I'm saying.

996
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: He called him in early man, you know, and I

997
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: can imagine he would have. I mean, he'd be a

998
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: billionaire for sure. He'd be a billionaire because he was

999
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: very intelligent and he wanted to learn. He wanted to

1000
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: learn from white people and other people like he wanted

1001
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: but he wanted to be He would have probably you

1002
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: never know what he would It was groundbreaking things. His

1003
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: mind was so deep and he and he loved his people.

1004
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: He loved he loved, he loved what he what he

1005
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: is black, you know what I'm saying. But he knew,

1006
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, he would have been that rebellious slave that

1007
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: would have been learning how to read behind you know,

1008
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. Like now you say that he didn't give.

1009
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have cared about in his back whip and

1010
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: shit like that. Like he let his nuts hang over

1011
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: his shoulder. He was with it. He he had heart man, period,

1012
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, so man, I can imagine him right now,

1013
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: man a billionaire And salute to Jay Z. Too mentions,

1014
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I love everything JJ is doing. Man, I really, I

1015
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: really I respect him as being a real man and

1016
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: a you know, a great husband been. You know, he

1017
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: loves his queen. They like they teamwork, make the dream work,

1018
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, and they rocking. You

1019
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I love great examples of an

1020
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Afro American. How were you able to stay out of

1021
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: away from the West coast East coast battle that inevitably

1022
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: claim bigger claim Tupac. We see a lot of it

1023
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: because before before bigg and Tupacs, rappers weren't getting killed.

1024
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: They were pillars of the community. They were like they

1025
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: were to be protected. And now you see ex extension.

1026
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: You see pop smoke, you saw bigg and Tupac. You see.

1027
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, they supposed to be they supposed to be

1028
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: off limits for do you know when we were growing up,

1029
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: there were certain people that were off limits. They were

1030
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: untouchable in the community. Yeah, you know, I stayed prayed

1031
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: up just every because I prayed before. I like, if

1032
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: I got a certain phone call to make to somebody

1033
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: or sit down, I try to ask God the guide

1034
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: my thinking process and my tongue to say the right

1035
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: things and hope that the other person that I'm talking

1036
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: to are the other people that I'm talking to, uh,

1037
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: and take it the right way and we work it

1038
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: out because communication is everything, right, you know what I'm saying.

1039
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: So I would always I tripped because even I'm from

1040
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: the West Coast, you know, they used to call me

1041
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: the West Coast Biggie. You know what I'm saying. You

1042
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: had Biggie over there, but he wore a kango, I

1043
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: wold kango even though he was younger than me. You

1044
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I was wearing kangos when I

1045
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: was you know, fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old, and I

1046
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 1: used to get him from the NB mall and he's

1047
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: my mall, you know what I'm saying. And then Berkeley

1048
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: at the Berkeley hat shot, She's what I'm saying. Like

1049
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: anyway to make a long story, shure, we kind of

1050
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: was sim you know, but that was the look, you

1051
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We had. We were the same

1052
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: kind of But the thing is is that I actually,

1053
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, let me, let me, let me,

1054
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: let me, let me, let me see, let me kick

1055
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 1: back and watch how everything folds. With with the East

1056
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: Coast stay because I would go to New I would

1057
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: go to New York and getting them with love, like

1058
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, I was with Jive Records. That was my

1059
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: distribution I was with. So I'm out there and I'm

1060
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: out there in New York and it's like I'm just walking,

1061
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, down the street, like going to get something

1062
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: to eat of something, and I would maybe something some

1063
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: representatives from Jive, you know, showing me you're, you know,

1064
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: on our way too, because everything is walking distance and

1065
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: everything when you're going into these big buildings and all

1066
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: that stuff like that. So I'm like everybody just blowing

1067
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: the horn and shit, Foti folty man, we fuck with you, bro,

1068
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: We fuck with you, bro. Like you wouldn't know that

1069
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: it's so much. It's really a lot of love out

1070
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: there that we haven't collected. I went to Harlem. I

1071
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: called me and my man Dave House. We all went

1072
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: to We went to uh. We called the u uh

1073
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: not the bark the subways we called we could we

1074
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: called the subways and went to Harlem. From Manhattan to Harlem,

1075
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: man when I got off, when I got out of

1076
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: when I got off the subway and walking down up

1077
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: you know what was that? It's that one hundred and

1078
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: ten hundred and fifth Street. What street is that the

1079
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: main one in Harlem? What Sylvia's at and all that.

1080
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, if you

1081
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: walk it down that thing, man, it's so much love.

1082
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: This is during the during the time when the ship,

1083
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: all of East Coast ship and all that. It's so

1084
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: much love, you know what I'm saying, Like they fuck

1085
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: with certain people. I know. If I was from the

1086
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: East Coast and I've seen E. Forty from the West Coast,

1087
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: and I watched his movement and watched how how different

1088
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: he is and how you carry itself and shit like that.

1089
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: Because I'm not a shit starter, you know what I'm saying.

1090
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: I ain't in all that shit. That ship don't move me.

1091
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm not with that, you know what I'm saying. If

1092
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: I watched how you carried itself and I met him,

1093
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, man, I want to meet that brother,

1094
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: like and I've seen him, I want to meet him.

1095
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: I would like me. I would like E. Forty because

1096
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm a unique dude, you know what I'm saying. And

1097
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm dope, you know, And I carried myself, you know,

1098
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: in an an intelligent way. You know. So it's like

1099
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: I just had a numb but love bro, you know. So,

1100
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just got let me see

1101
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: all eras of hip hop. I've seen it all. I'm

1102
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: talking all of it. I've seen it all. The only

1103
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: parts I missed was maybe you know the South Bronx days,

1104
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: the days when you know of you know, Mellie Mayle

1105
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: and them, you know, back when they were shooting them

1106
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: videos back in you know, but I watched it. Yeah,

1107
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: but we've seen it. That's bought it off. How they

1108
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: had they moved. Daddy Came. Now I'm in that movement.

1109
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: I loved you. Yeah you were big Yeah Big Daddy

1110
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: eight Yeah, I love I love that era. You know

1111
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Who Daddy Came was one of my

1112
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: favorite rappers still is. I don't you know. I would

1113
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: love to hear some music from him today because he

1114
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: I like to swag. He was real player. Hair cut

1115
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: him and Scoop and Scrap Lover the way they used

1116
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: to dance and ship like they were real player. He

1117
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: had Big Daddy Cane was real player about his ship.

1118
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I used to watch all that,

1119
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, Cougi rapping all of them to sit. What

1120
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: was that group called was they called the Syndicate not

1121
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: to sendicate, It was all of them. They did a

1122
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: video with the cowboy hats on and everything. It was

1123
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Ace, Ace was in it. Oh man?

1124
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: Uh that was that was That was the go. That

1125
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: was the beginning. That was the beginning of the Golden

1126
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: Era because you had that from like eighty six and

1127
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: then you had that movement like you mentioned a KrF one,

1128
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: you had Eric being rock him uh ep m D. Yeah,

1129
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean you had I mean, who watch it? Come

1130
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: on easy? Look look what about East mc shann and

1131
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: them bro. A lot of people don't I used to

1132
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: watch mc shy d. People don't know was the first

1133
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: rapper out of Atlanta ever, I'm about a star, you

1134
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He had slaps. Yeah. I used

1135
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: to I, Hey, Lou Skywalker when I'm at Grandma State University.

1136
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: And then we used to go we was hiphi. We

1137
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: used we used to go dumb in eighty six eighty

1138
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: seven to to th that dick that dick louse Skywalker there. Yeah,

1139
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: cool like us. I watched up so much of hip hop.

1140
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: You know, back then we would just tune into the

1141
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: TV watching video soul, watching all the outlets. And then

1142
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: when MTV started playing hip hop, that just took the kick.

1143
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: We loved it, you know what I mean. And I mean, man,

1144
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: twenty one, when East Coast you had the West Coast,

1145
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: you had the East Coast, and all of a sudden

1146
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 1: there was the Southern rap that came onto the scene,

1147
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: Little John. How did you and Little John connect to

1148
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: start making music? Well, I used to love to get

1149
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: a boys. Yeah, all of them casts out there, man,

1150
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: you know three two and them, you know three two

1151
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: and Big Mike them and all of them. Kill the

1152
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: Houston cast U he used the cat you know, Bud,

1153
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: you know all my folks man, all right, Pete then

1154
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: was my real folks to this day, you feel me

1155
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: like so, I hooked up with Little John. I remember

1156
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: he had a song because I like them guys. But

1157
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: this his guy, his guy was too short, too short.

1158
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: Me being on the road a lot of shows I

1159
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: would do with too short and spice one people of

1160
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: people like that, you know what I'm saying. And Little

1161
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: John to be on the road with too short and

1162
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: I would always you know, chop it up with him

1163
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: and this, that and the third, and I was like,

1164
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: so little John just started just winning, start just having

1165
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: hell of slaps. I said, Man, we waved past, dude,

1166
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: let's get in there, you know what I'm saying. We

1167
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: did a song called Repio City. I was in a

1168
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: few of his videos before that. Then I was in

1169
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: then then he did Repio City with me Pete Pablo.

1170
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, Repio City. That was a pretty big

1171
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: song and a man and that was Darrel was during

1172
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: the time when it was kind of like a drop

1173
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: during the out here in the Bay Area. I had

1174
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: mustard and mayonnaise out and it was like two thousand

1175
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: and two, I believe, and you know, so it was like,

1176
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: but that's I was hitting big in the Midwest and

1177
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: the South with that song, you know what I'm saying.

1178
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: And so that was the beginning of our relationship for

1179
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: us being good, you know, knowing that we can make

1180
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: good music together. And uh, and our friendship became closer,

1181
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, and he stayed solid, man. And so two

1182
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: thousand and three, Uh, my distribution deal was up with

1183
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: Jive Records, and so I was like, I asked God,

1184
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: you know what should I do? And he a voice

1185
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: came to me like call Little John, Like call Little John,

1186
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: and I hit him on the two way pages. Back

1187
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: then we had two way pages. I say, call me, man,

1188
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm out of my deal. Let's talk. You know what

1189
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was like, you out of your deal?

1190
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: He said. I say yeah. He say, uh, he say, man,

1191
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: let me call my people. I'm gonna call you right back.

1192
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: He called me back within the Lisa hour, and all

1193
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: his people agreed, you know, all all the bm E staff,

1194
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so he was like,

1195
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: he said, they're ready to do it. Send me, send

1196
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: me your lawyer a contact, right And that's when I

1197
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: did a deal with with Little John and bm ME

1198
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: click and my my my career, and you know, my

1199
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: career just started all over again. More, it wasn't over

1200
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: because I was still I was still popping. The attention

1201
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: wasn't on the West coast. So all that time, the

1202
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: attention wasn't on the West coast, mainly the Bay area.

1203
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: The attention wasn't on the Bay Area. So I'm holding

1204
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: on like a hub cap in the fast Land right right,

1205
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: And so you know, like I say, if you just

1206
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: keep playing your position, staying solid, great things happen. You

1207
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Man, You know, I'll go. I'll

1208
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: go to the studio and stank on your studio which

1209
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: is Outcasts Studio, and you got full Scrappy and all

1210
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: all the young generation be and me clicking there working

1211
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: in different studios and whatnot. And uh, they all showing

1212
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: me love, were kicking and were drinking the whole while.

1213
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: And it was time for me to work the next day.

1214
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: So I go in there and I get out and

1215
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: I you know, I put me and Scrappy and we

1216
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: did some songs together, and all of us we all

1217
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: worked together, and I just went full fledged ahead and

1218
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: knocked it down because they got me like a It

1219
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: wasn't an air b it wasn't Airbnb, but they've rented

1220
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: out apartment that I was living in for three weeks

1221
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: and I took advantage that three weeks in Atlanta, and

1222
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: I went crazy every day in the studio. Our sessions

1223
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: were starting at twelve at night all the way to

1224
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: twelve in afternoon. You feel me right, And then we

1225
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: head over to busy bees. Are used to get back

1226
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: You know what I used to. I used to get

1227
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: to the turkey, the turkey turkey. Oh you gotta ta

1228
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: mother turkey wings. Hell yeah. And I love smother chicken

1229
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: anything smother go good with me, right, I'm with it. Right,

1230
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: So that shit out, man, we did it. And then

1231
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: he took us to so He'll say, so one day

1232
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: we went to Beautifuls. He said, we're going the BEAUTIFULS.

1233
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: I say, Beautifuls. He said, yeah, watch thing it's called Beautifuls.

1234
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: And he was like, we went there and they had

1235
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: whiting fish, you know fish, They had grits with cheese

1236
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: in it and all that. They had all the salmon

1237
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: salmon cakes tunic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey bro, you

1238
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: know I told you man, that's just kind of stuff

1239
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: I rock with, you know, So we're not that, He'll say, Man,

1240
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: took today. We're gonna do all up tempers, do all

1241
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: all temple songs. I've said this before, but I just

1242
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: loved John's uh you know, he was my tutor. He

1243
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: taught me. He was like, you know what, that's dope

1244
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: right there. Take that ad lip off. That's why my

1245
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: Guttle Report Card album was so great because it wasn't

1246
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: overly done like you know, I'm so creative. I'm all

1247
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: over the place even here. Make me do it and

1248
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: in me being open minded. No, this man got hella

1249
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: hits up under me. I'm open minded. So I'm listening

1250
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: to him. He like, you know what, I can put

1251
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: a drop in that song right there in that verse

1252
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: and make it sound dope. But I think you can

1253
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: come better, and I'm open minded. I just come better.

1254
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: I just come a new And that's the problem. I'm

1255
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: not bigheaded. I'm I'm you know, I'm open minded. If

1256
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: you listen, if you're listening and learn, you know what

1257
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Things work out the best. Bro. We made

1258
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: that motherfucking album a classic. My getting report card with nothing.

1259
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: But I can sing a whole show. I can do

1260
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: a whole twenty minute segments show, twenty five minutes. I

1261
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: can do twenty five minutes to thirty minutes on just

1262
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: that album along. That's how many slaps it had, you know,

1263
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: from fucking you know, go harder, go home to you

1264
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: and that booty to tell me when the goal to

1265
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 1: back you hit it at the part when you ain't

1266
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: found it, you hit the part with that one. Come on,

1267
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: you can cry. He dread from shake Off. I ain't

1268
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: got I'm growing up. I was just talking about I

1269
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: wasn't really gonna grow none until I said this shit, hello, funny,

1270
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: let me just fuck with it. Did because everybody in

1271
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: the Bay Area had dreadlocks. Yeah, not one person, not

1272
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: one rapper, everybody, right, you feel me? So all I'm

1273
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: doing is adapting to my soil. So what was so

1274
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: beautiful about it is I had high fee movement over

1275
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: here I was part of. I participated in and I

1276
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: also participated in the snap movement. We'll snap your fingers

1277
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: with Little John New you know what it's on and

1278
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: so forth. So I was just it was just a

1279
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: great space. And I never let up. Like I tell people,

1280
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: anytime you get you you know you got some momentum.

1281
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: You not take your foot off the gas man, keep

1282
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: your foot on the gas stop playing. Then that you

1283
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: and that booty, that's about that. I feel like that too,

1284
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: that you're better give me your mother something. Come on,

1285
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: they don't even know that's Candy from from the Atlanta

1286
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: house Wives on the on the hook? Oh is it?

1287
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: That's her? That's her singing and everything that's her, that's

1288
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: her on their teeth pain. So she came in and

1289
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: did her part in the middle. She in the visit

1290
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: India and everything. Candy, that's that's the folks right there.

1291
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh man, Candy Burry. I didn't know that. Ye, she

1292
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: got the platinum. She got the platinum thing on the

1293
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: wall and everything. Answered the show that one day she

1294
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: showed it to you on the show. Say take me

1295
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: over to that platinum you and that booty motherfucking up

1296
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: or I a approved album, you know what I'm saying.

1297
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: Platinum certified. You know what I'm saying. That thing with

1298
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: night You mentioned that you went to Grambling, Now I

1299
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: mean Grambling Louisiana. Graham Lewis in Louisiana. You're from the

1300
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: West coast. Did you did you feel a lot of

1301
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: players because they they they ain't help, they ain't on

1302
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: they went on game, you know, like like Falty Water

1303
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: being from the Bay. Yeah. I was looking at the

1304
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: old pictures the Bensworth sent me the other day, and

1305
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the California picture. It had like the

1306
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: California car, all the cats from California, and I'm looking

1307
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, I see I see waldro Binsworth,

1308
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: the third junior. I see be Legit and I see

1309
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: myself and I'm looking at we all in the we

1310
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: all on one side. And I sent to my wife,

1311
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: I say, who who who? Who the most swagged out

1312
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: motherfucker's on here? And she circled it because I sent

1313
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: the picture to her text. He just and it was us, right,

1314
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: It was me be Legit and Water were so motherfucking

1315
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: you could tell we were from the Bay. You feel

1316
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: me like you could just tell were swagging. I can

1317
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: show you up because I could send that picture to you,

1318
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: you would be like, oh, the motherfucker's yeah, you can

1319
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: tell that. You can see the difference, right, We was

1320
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: gamed up. It's something about us, right, But yeah. I

1321
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: went to Gramlin and we met a lot of good friends.

1322
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: To this day, I was just talking to my boy,

1323
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: Reggie Pugh. You know what I'm saying, out of out

1324
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: out of Oakland. You know what I'm saying. He from

1325
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: Oakland and uh and uh he was solid all the

1326
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: way through and he and my friend to this day,

1327
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that he Uh, we met

1328
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: all kinds of people from the Bear, from Epa, Marin

1329
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: City all and we all clicked up. We had our

1330
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: Valleo partners out there too. I went out there with

1331
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: three with two Valleo casts, my man DII Davis and

1332
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: Brand Jones, which is being legit right, Well, we all

1333
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: drove out there and and and be legits yellow Mustang

1334
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: five point zero hit fifty. You feel me right, you

1335
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: slid out there, you know. So it was we met

1336
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: a lot of good people and we kind of like

1337
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: we like I said, we already got that cup. I

1338
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: had My great grandma, my granddaddy's mama, stayed out there

1339
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: and we stayed at her house for three days. And

1340
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: rust In, Louisiana, Yeah, I know exactly where the yep.

1341
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: I had a couple of teammates that are in the

1342
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: NFL that played that were from Rustin, right, and that's

1343
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: only twenty minutes from Grambland, you know. And so we

1344
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: stayed at her house for three days. The reason is

1345
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: she she worked at this cafe in Rustin. Huh. We

1346
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: have a take. I think a lot of taken in

1347
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: rustus think it is yep, it is yep. And so Granny,

1348
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: so my great great grandmama, she stayed. She she she

1349
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: would go to work every morning and she said, y'all

1350
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: just make sure y'all clean behind y'allself. She had, she said,

1351
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: here's the food. She had a freezer, the kind in

1352
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: the ground, I mean on the like, Yeah, the food

1353
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: she had, and she had a regular frigerator. She had

1354
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: hall a good ass food in there. I think she

1355
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: just went and bought it for us. It was called

1356
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: it's called a deep freezer, a deep freezer. And it

1357
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: was food. It was it was. It was food I've

1358
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: never seen in my life. Like it was chicken patties

1359
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 1: fried already that you could just put in the oven,

1360
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: and like it was you know, you gotta remember, I'm

1361
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: a teenager. I'm eighteen, you know what I'm like. We're

1362
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: looking at it. And she her house was spotless, and

1363
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: she lived by herself. Oh she was like seventy seven

1364
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: back then. You know what I'm saying. She'd live to

1365
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: be ninety four. You know what I'm saying. But anyway,

1366
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: we waited, And the reason we stayed at her house

1367
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: for three days is because we had to wait for

1368
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: our dorm rooms. We had to make the register, getting

1369
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: our classes all at right, you know what I'm saying.

1370
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: We didn't want to mess up, so we we we

1371
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 1: we wanted to get there a couple of days early.

1372
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: So that's how we did it. And so I it

1373
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: was so many people that we connected with out there,

1374
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: and the New Orleans casts and Luisia, the New Orleans

1375
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: and Baton Rouge cast. We had became close. A guy

1376
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: by the name of Jubilee, very known out there in

1377
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: New Orleans. You know what, man Alfred Peyton, you know

1378
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. Alfred Peyton. Me and him got into

1379
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: it back in the days, and me and him solid

1380
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: like this. Now I got nothing beloved respect for him.

1381
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: He picked me up at the airport right before the plandemic,

1382
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: you know, for the Balu Classic and all that stuff

1383
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: last year, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

1384
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: we but we all became close. And then it's like

1385
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: there's so many other people from not rappers, but people

1386
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: from Florida, Detroit, all these casts. You meet all them

1387
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: people and you stay close with him for many years.

1388
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: So anyway, make a long story short of short story long.

1389
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: I didn't feel out of place, but I did. I

1390
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: will tell you this. I used to have a perm

1391
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: before I before I went to Grammar. All my way

1392
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 1: up there, I cut my perm in Arizona, you know,

1393
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: because my wife went to beauty school too, and so

1394
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: I used to do my perm but I cut it

1395
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: all my way up there. I was a skinny dude,

1396
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: and you know, it was on my shoulder. I used

1397
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: to call the Lord Jesus Perl because it used to hang.

1398
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: It used to dangle right here. Yeah. Boy, Dean was like, man,

1399
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: you know we're going to go to the South. You know,

1400
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: we don't know if they could be thinking. You know,

1401
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: we know we West Coast. We know we play a player,

1402
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: and when we don't know how they're gonna be thinking

1403
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: about you, you know, with a permit, you know. And

1404
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought about it. I was like,

1405
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: and I hadn't had my hair done in a couple

1406
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: of days, a few days, so, you know, because my

1407
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: wife would do it. This shit, you know what I'm saying.

1408
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 1: So all I shit, Man, I might want to cut

1409
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: my ship. Man go to Arizona. We stopped out of Motel.

1410
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: I broke it down Motel. I said, man, let's let's

1411
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: get some clippers. Man, let's go, let me cut this ship.

1412
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: I cut that ship ball. When I went to Grammar,

1413
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: I go to the I get in line to get

1414
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: my food when I'm up there, I had I had

1415
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: an ear ring in my ears. I didn't have too

1416
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: I had one in the left ear because back then

1417
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: you could only have it in your left ear right.

1418
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: You know you can't. I mean, it was to each

1419
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: his own, but that was that was a proper thing

1420
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: to do with put in your left ear right, you

1421
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So even with me having it

1422
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: in my left ear, I'm in the lady did the

1423
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: older lady in the in the line for the lunch

1424
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: and to serve you the food. She was she was

1425
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: whispering to the other lady and be legit, and all

1426
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: of them heard the things like she was like looking

1427
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: at boy, looking at looking at the ring, boy look

1428
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: at I'm like, boy, them o them old ladies, them

1429
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: old the old heads. They did not like seeing guys

1430
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: with ear ring being left ear right ear or either

1431
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: or they no, sir, they didn't like it, bro, they

1432
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I still kept my mother fucking ear

1433
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: ring in my left ear. I was like, fuck you,

1434
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: I had too much respect. I wouldn't go say that

1435
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: to her, but in my mind, I'm like, fuck you.

1436
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just I just I

1437
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: just ignored it, you know, just kept it rushing you.

1438
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: For what I try to tell people about black college

1439
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: because I went to an HBCU and went to Savannah

1440
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: State University. Yeah, there's nothing like homecoming because it's like

1441
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: a gigantic family reunion. You got people, you got classes

1442
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: coming back to class of sixty eight, the class of

1443
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: seventy eight, the class of nineteen eighty two, they're coming

1444
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: back and eight we family, the step shows, the walk

1445
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: across the yard. Being in my mind, I was in

1446
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: my mind, I was a cute dog. In my mind.

1447
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: I used to hang with them dudes. They was cool. Hey.

1448
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: And you know on the yard you got you got

1449
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: the Greek and the saw rob hearts, they got him,

1450
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: got him sitting in there, they're doing their step thing,

1451
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: they practicing, getting ready for the step shows that we

1452
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: can for I tell people, ain't nothing like that experience.

1453
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade that experience for anything me. I wouldn't

1454
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: chade trade. I'm so glad I went because I wasn't

1455
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: playing on going to college. Being legit said he's gonna go,

1456
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna go to there. You

1457
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying I'm going to You know

1458
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I went. It was the best thing

1459
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: ever I can ever do. Bro It talks you. It

1460
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: teach you how to be a man too. You know

1461
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: you're watching your own stuff. You gotta go, you know, yes, yes,

1462
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know the wash house

1463
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: is further down on the campus, way down there. You

1464
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: gotta get your bag. And you know what I'm saying.

1465
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 1: The whole who what, Yeah, we was doing it. I

1466
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: hadn't master p on yesterday. And he talked about you,

1467
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: and he made special reference to your uncle, Saint Charles.

1468
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: He talked about how you and him and especially your

1469
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: uncle Saint Charles hooked him onto the game, to the

1470
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: distribution deal. Talk to talk to us about that time

1471
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: in your life and in Pea's life, about what your

1472
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: uncle did for you, for you, for him, and how

1473
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: that was the start of He said, that's the start

1474
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 1: of my business. Right there, when I started thinking like, Okay,

1475
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: I can do this, he afford to doing it. I

1476
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: can do it, and you know, and my uncle, it's

1477
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: a trip because he taught. He wasn't just he was

1478
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: a guy I always looked up to as a kid.

1479
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: It used to be a show called Creature Feature. And he,

1480
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: my grand my my uncle knows how to paint, draw everything,

1481
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: Like when I go to my grandmama house, him and

1482
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 1: my uncle Bruce, which is his brother, alright, p Bruce,

1483
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: he would they would have drawings on they wall. So

1484
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: I used to draw my own wall at home at night,

1485
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: drawings like cartoons, everything that, because I can draw, my

1486
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 1: daddy can draw. Hella good daddy painting all that. So

1487
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: I got that good. I got it from both sides

1488
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: of the family just then the third so I was.

1489
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: I knew that my uncle was special because he would

1490
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: do sculptures. He did sculptures like clay sculptures of like

1491
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a female, a male or whatever,

1492
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: monsters like he one of them, how dudes that could

1493
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: be in Hollywood making a making a mask for movies

1494
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, right right, yeah, exactly. And so he they

1495
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: was like Uncle Chucky, Uncle Chucky gonna be on us

1496
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: Creature Feature. It was a big deal on TV. We

1497
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: stayed up late. Mims had to stay up late because

1498
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: it used to come on like eleven thirty at night.

1499
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: You know, we're supposed to be in bed at nine

1500
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: a m. As little kids. You know, I mean nine PM,

1501
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: right eight o'clock when you're in third grade and fourth grade,

1502
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right, you know what I'm saying,

1503
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: So mims of to stay up there not to see

1504
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: Uncle Chucky. We Saint Charles, you know what I'm saying.

1505
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: And we was like, wow, he on Creature Feature. Creature

1506
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: Feature played all the old movies and stuff. Right, make

1507
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: a long story short. We knew he was so the

1508
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: specially we had record. He had a couple of records

1509
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: in the seventies and he did it on his own independent.

1510
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: You know. It didn't blow blow blow, but his experience

1511
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: rubbed off on us. He taught us. He taught us

1512
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: so when we came in the game. I used to

1513
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: always tell him, it's a little kid, Uncle Chucky, Uncle Chucky.

1514
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: I want to make a song. We want to make songs.

1515
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: Me and d Shot we would always say, we want

1516
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: to make records, like a little kid. He always do

1517
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: this with them with him, you know, with the money.

1518
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: So why we you know, it was that day came

1519
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: and he really you know, there was the MVP record.

1520
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: He did the artwork on it. You know, this before

1521
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: Final Cup, just because just before what you call that

1522
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: shit photoshop, photoshop and all that. He just knew how

1523
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: I knew what to do. You know what I'm saying.

1524
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: We went, we got our records pressed up over at

1525
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: Rainbow Records. You know, this was Vinyl. This is eighty

1526
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: eight when we came out with that record. And we

1527
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: would always put our record up a year before. So

1528
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: if we did an album that can that we're done

1529
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: with and it's out, it comes out. Say, for instance,

1530
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: right now it's twenty twenty one, it's March of twenty

1531
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: twenty one, we would put twenty twenty two on there

1532
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: bro Because the reason why this was our method, because

1533
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: we wanted whoever catch it eight months later, because we

1534
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna get eight to nine, ten months later.

1535
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: We knew it's gonna take forever to get to. You

1536
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: would say Atlanta, Nebraska. You know what I'm saying me, Uh,

1537
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: Texas are Cana or you know, Oklahoma or whatever is

1538
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: going to We do everything with snail mail back then,

1539
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We were sitting there through ups,

1540
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,560
Speaker 1: you know ground right, You know what I'm yeah, exactly,

1541
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: So by the time everybody started hit getting hit to it,

1542
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: it was gonna take that long, and we was prepared

1543
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: for us, and we were smart like that. But my uncle,

1544
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: I tell you so, Pete, you know, he was doing

1545
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: his thing too, but he was learning as he going.

1546
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 1: He's seeing us getting down. He's having a lot of success,

1547
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: and you know, and Pete was working hard like he

1548
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: he everybody rock winning, but a lot of people didn't

1549
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: because it was so many great rappers in the Bay Area,

1550
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And Pete was really spending game.

1551
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: Pete really Pete really from the streets, not just New

1552
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: Order streets, Richmond streets, Bay Area streets, you know what

1553
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And he wasn't gonna suck out here, you

1554
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Nobody tried to play him or

1555
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: nothing like that. He was He was just a solid

1556
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: dude and he had that motivation. God gifted him with

1557
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 1: that and he and he went to Saint Charles, and

1558
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: Saint Charles say here, this is what you do. He listened, man,

1559
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: and man put his own brain together with how he

1560
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: wanted to work out his plan, getting the New York,

1561
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: getting the others, the Deep South the sticks to participate

1562
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: with Hi. Miss Well, he got all the West Coast

1563
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: cast together. Yeah, West cloth Fabo. He's like he did

1564
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: his thing, bro, you know what I'm saying. And I

1565
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: salute him for that. And my uncle say, Charles, I

1566
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: really salute him because me and d Shot we was

1567
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: talking the other day and my brother we were just

1568
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: talking about the other day, like, man, that dude really

1569
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: taught us a lot, like kind of become me in

1570
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: like get bank, get bank accounts and stuff like that.

1571
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, like like really you know,

1572
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: fictitious names and dba's and get business licenses and like

1573
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: taught us a lot. You know what I'm saying. He

1574
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: taught us how to be entrepreneurs. And I'm glad that

1575
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: I cherished him to this day. I give him Miss Roses.

1576
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: He picked up the phone anytime and uh that's my

1577
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: mom and brother you. Uh. He said that one thing

1578
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: that you taught that Saint Charles taught him, it's about

1579
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: distributor is banking on yourself. He always say the babe,

1580
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: they push independence and the things he said that he thought,

1581
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: and you can correct me if I'm wrong. He says

1582
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: he believed independence teaches you hunger. He says, because it's

1583
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: only gonna go as far as you take it. He said.

1584
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: Sometime Guy's team want to do these three six and

1585
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: then you know, you get the big money up front

1586
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: and all that, but you get lazy because you got

1587
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: them doing the work. But when the thing is like

1588
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: when you you know you're gonna eat, but they gonna

1589
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: eat every time you eat, as opposed to the independence

1590
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: you eating the lining share. They gonna eat what you leave,

1591
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: not eat before you do. You know it, bro And

1592
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,560
Speaker 1: he telling the truth because you know it's people. No

1593
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 1: disrespect to nobody, but it's people have been on major

1594
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: labels for many years and they kind of you know

1595
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say, you got babysitting,

1596
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: but they don't know no other way. When it comes

1597
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: to like once the deal is over or whatever, they'll

1598
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: know the other way because they never been independent. They

1599
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: never knew how. We had to do it. You know,

1600
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 1: we were coming to get We was in it by force,

1601
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: not by choice. It's good that force was good. We

1602
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: didn't have to We had to go get it on

1603
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: our own and becoming it and being independent, it was beautiful.

1604
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: It was a blessing in disguise. You feel what I'm saying, right,

1605
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: So do you know that made us be better hustlers,

1606
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: better men and appreciate it more? Like, right now, I'm

1607
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you, and I'm not trying to

1608
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: you know, plug anything, but I'm just telling you the truth.

1609
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: What I'm doing right now is just set okay the

1610
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: streets when I rap, right when I rap, when I

1611
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: came into the rap. Now I'll say, it's the same hustle,

1612
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: just different products, right, just liquor right here, same hustle,

1613
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: different products. I sell a dope, beverages, bro And I'm

1614
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: doing it independently. I'm doing it the long way, but

1615
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: it's the right way. So at the end of the day,

1616
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the last laugh. God will them. First

1617
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: of all, the thing is, I'm doing it independently. So

1618
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: each state requires different credentials and different things you gotta

1619
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: do to get your license. Some states are controlled, some

1620
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: states are you know what I'm saying. You know, some

1621
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: states are easier to get you know what I'm saying.

1622
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: So it's like, this is what I'm doing, so God

1623
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: willing within the next twelve months, I'm most likely being

1624
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: about thirty seven states being the vendor of record, my

1625
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:30,839
Speaker 1: own boss. No nothing. You feel what I'm saying. Nobody

1626
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: the answer to I sign the checks, I call the shots. Everything.

1627
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 1: It's the long way, but it's the right way. And

1628
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: that's what he did independently. That's what we did independently.

1629
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: Sick with the records, no limit, suave House, so on

1630
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: and so forth, rap a lot, so many of the

1631
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: loose got walk on them. You know what I'm saying.

1632
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 1: The whole ship like we can go on and on forever.

1633
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: You know you've been able to have a hit in

1634
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: every decade rappers, ball to every where to go, sprinkle

1635
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: me captain, save the whole choices. How do you enjoy

1636
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: the longevity that you've enjoyed? Man, I love it, bro

1637
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: I thank God for everything. And you know, like I say, uh,

1638
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: I figure you know you just keep the faith, be

1639
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: a good person, keep your eye on the ball. I

1640
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: love rapping, even if you know I'm an old man

1641
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: to something. I'm old man now, but I'm I don't

1642
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:32,759
Speaker 1: not though you know what I'm saying. I'm my spirit

1643
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't. If I didn't tell you my age,

1644
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't know. You probably know I'm probably about

1645
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm probably a good forty two and you know, probably forty,

1646
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, and if you looked at it and I

1647
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: tell you they want to day with you, you never know.

1648
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm really my spirit and my my charisma and my

1649
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 1: the way I carry myself ain't no fifty no regular

1650
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: fifty three year old cat bro. You know what I'm saying.

1651
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Like, and I'm not trying to

1652
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: be young. I'm just just me. I promise myself when

1653
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 1: I I was young that when I get older, I'm

1654
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: not fair to be dressing hell of ancient and all

1655
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: that old bullshit. Man, I'm like this, you ain gonna

1656
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,759
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna rock the stays with the real socks,

1657
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. They gotta be clean, they got they gotta

1658
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: the jeans, gotta be a little uh, you know, slimmer

1659
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: at the bottom. They can't be all flared out. They

1660
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: can't wear no big britches. They ain't there right now.

1661
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: You gotta look at you can look fly. I see

1662
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: some motherfuckers that was flying the other day, Snoop posting

1663
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: them some old jess. They had the gray bears, but

1664
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 1: the niggas that they outfit was clean. They had to

1665
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: the jeans wasn't at the bottom that the jeans wasn't

1666
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: all flared out there was you know, they fitted, they

1667
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: had they had some dress shoes on them. Was flying.

1668
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: Fuck you know what I'm saying. And that's how you

1669
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: gotta be if you're gonna do it me. Fuck you

1670
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: got some of the Bay Area words? I mean, you

1671
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: feel me, you smell me for shit, me for show gas.

1672
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: How do you come up with these words? And then

1673
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: when you come up with them, you like because people

1674
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: that people still use them, people talk like that. But

1675
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: at the time that you're coming up with those words,

1676
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna have the longevity that they're

1677
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna have. Oh? I don't know, you know, I just man,

1678
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: just me. You know one thing about being from the

1679
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: Bay Area, it's a beautiful thing because you're surrounded by game.

1680
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: Look I just put that together. Being from the Bed's

1681
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing because you're surrounded by game. You feel me,

1682
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: and and that's you know, and you got so much.

1683
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: You have so many people. I like the rock with

1684
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: the older the ogs, the older guys right, because they

1685
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't been through it, they didn't seen it.

1686
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They did it, they'd have

1687
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: been around it, and they can wake your game up

1688
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: way more like the og Like the young generation. A

1689
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: lot of them don't mind listening to me when I

1690
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: talk to them, right they would be like, do good things, uncle,

1691
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. That made my day right there, thank you.

1692
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: You know. The ones who want to be silent and

1693
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: listen to it, they listen. So being in the bay

1694
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: I learned, you know, and me being creative coming with stuff,

1695
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, just coming with slang and all that all

1696
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: since I was a little youngster. You know what I'm saying.

1697
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: I used to read the dictionary, and I come with

1698
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 1: long words and all that stuff. A lot of these

1699
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: words and stuff I say, you know what I'm saying,

1700
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: a lot of that shit, man, is really just from

1701
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: observing and observing the older older guys and then putting

1702
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: my putting you my way to cooking. But you had

1703
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: your flavor right like. But a lot of words just

1704
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 1: come from my brain right off. Tough I'm living to

1705
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: before we finished, I might come with a freshman out

1706
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: of theywear like I don't see that not nowhere, but

1707
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: theywear ofwear. He just came out of neywhear with that.

1708
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: You feel me use you're the first one I heard

1709
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: when they started when and people say, oh, but that

1710
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 1: thing slapped you, the first one I ever heard used

1711
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: that word when they're talking about something is good. First

1712
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: rapper ever screaming slap ever in life. Whenever you say, oh,

1713
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: that's slap, that's slapping. First rapper ever ever see it

1714
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: dead that rapper, Yes sir, yes sir. And there's so

1715
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: many other ones, you know, and I trip on, you know,

1716
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: I see I see some some casts are you know,

1717
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: the word broccoli the other day calling we broccoli and

1718
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: it was like they was given they was crediting other rappers.

1719
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's okay. They don't know, you know what

1720
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, That's okay because the kids, I'll be like,

1721
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: I just I just know that some people wasn't even

1722
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: born when I was. When I even when I had to,

1723
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: I had a song I'll called broccoli and like nineteen

1724
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: ninety ninety eight it was actually called broccoli. Smoking that

1725
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: broccoli Now it takes me out, you know what I'm saying.

1726
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: That's how the hood went. We use a cameo slap.

1727
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: I had older some sugar singing on that thing. And

1728
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: the song is called Broccoli, and it was on my

1729
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: double album which is almost platinum right now, way past gold,

1730
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: and it was called the album is called Element of Surprise.

1731
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: First rapper talking about apply pressure surprise, the element Apply

1732
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: Pressure Tycoon nineteen ninety five, the intro to a platinum

1733
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: album in a major way. What's happening, folks, It ain't

1734
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: none but me. You're tycoon talking potting to play a

1735
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: pot in the eight four, I said, tycoon talking Pottinger

1736
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: rewind it when y'all get a chance. Nineteen ninety five,

1737
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: I was screaming that ship as a rapper. No other

1738
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 1: rapper was screaming. And before that I said it, and

1739
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: my brother them said, and everybody that was with us

1740
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: screamed it on the alms. So it's like I didn't

1741
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: make up the word tycoons in the dictionary, but I'm

1742
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,800
Speaker 1: talking about ship that rappers don't say. That became very

1743
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: popular and I was the first one screaming it, and

1744
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: we go on and on forever. You know what I'm saying,

1745
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: Choppers calling calling pistols, choppers, rushing, first one talking about choppers.

1746
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: First rapper ever talking about Choppers, triple Beam scales, everything

1747
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: related to the soil. Trust me, Yola unit's calling calling

1748
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: keys un it's you feel me? Yeah, Man, I ain't

1749
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: put an extras on it. This ain't no cat. This

1750
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: ain't this ain't uh, this ain't this, ain't this ain't nowhere.

1751
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: It's no cap bro't no cat bro for really, lets

1752
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: talking about Let's talk about somelf. And I know you

1753
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: really really love and you've been You was rocking with

1754
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: this team when it wasn't popular, your Golden State Warriors.

1755
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: I see you sit in courtside a lot. What did

1756
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: it feel like when you guys finally won the championship

1757
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, because I know that was a long

1758
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: time coming, because there were some lean years in the

1759
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 1: forty when I was watching Matt Barnes and and uh

1760
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: Steven and uh and uh and uh and uh who

1761
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: else was it Matt barn Stephen Baron Davis, Baron b d.

1762
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 1: When I was watching it, I was like, oh man,

1763
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,439
Speaker 1: we might get one, We might get one. We might

1764
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: go stay out there playing at street ball on him.

1765
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 1: Because to me, them dudes a street cat in the NBA.

1766
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: I love them dudes. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, yeah,

1767
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: they were gonna get one, and so I you know,

1768
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 1: even before that, you know, I love the Warriors, of course,

1769
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: but I'm like, we get closer, and you know, I

1770
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: just used to hate when the powers that be of

1771
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: over the Warriors would always once we get a good player,

1772
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: that trade them or something I get there, go somewhere else.

1773
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, damn. So now that we got

1774
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: our new powers that being there, I love them. They're

1775
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: doing what they can do, and they we've been there

1776
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 1: that thing for the last five years when they went

1777
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: with some of the best times of so many people

1778
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: lives from the Bay Area, you know, just being there,

1779
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: whether you're in the nose bleeds, whether you're in between,

1780
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: whether you courtside, it was just so just great. I

1781
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: mean five times in a row, bro and they won

1782
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: three out of them things you feel me and be

1783
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: courtside me being ain't nothing like courtside experience. You know,

1784
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 1: you rubbish orders with the rubbing shoulders, with the big

1785
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 1: willies in order to get and that's nothing you networking,

1786
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't met so many people there, uh that that

1787
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: I've had opportunities to break bread with just from being

1788
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: there and being a good person, not being fake, just

1789
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: being a good person, being a people's person, hobnobbing, shaking hands,

1790
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: kissing babies, hugging folks, networking. You know what I'm saying,

1791
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that and just being a good dude, get

1792
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: you a long ways. And that's what I did. And

1793
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 1: ain't no experience like course side when you can be

1794
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: sitting I said, right by the bench. It's times, I said,

1795
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: several times, I said right like I'm part of the bench,

1796
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: like I'm on the team. In my mind, I'm an

1797
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: NBA player too. I was, Okay, you're a Warrior fan,

1798
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: You're a Warre fanatic, and you know all the players,

1799
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,799
Speaker 1: give me your mouth rushmore players will rig Bass, Steph

1800
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 1: b d, Clay Thompson, Katie, Chris Muther and Nate Thurman,

1801
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: Dramond Greeney. Give me your mout rushmore, your four best

1802
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: players in Warrior's history. Okay, uh, I would have to say, uh,

1803
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 1: Rick Berry Okay. I would have to say uh Steff

1804
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: of course, yep, I would have to say Clay Okay.

1805
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I would definitely have that's a trip. And because they oh,

1806
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: I would have to say, I would have to I

1807
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: also have to say, well, Chamberler, for sure they do that.

1808
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: That's impossible to do. I would have to say, I mean,

1809
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: not say it. That's it. You want to get poor?

1810
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: How many would I say it? With all? I say,

1811
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: you got Will, you got Stealth, you got Clay, and

1812
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: you got rick Berry. That's not bad. That's not bad.

1813
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: That's not bad. It's plenty more. But that's not bad

1814
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: at all. I remember they had Robert Parrish and I

1815
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: was mad when they traded him and he became a

1816
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. He went over to a Green team.

1817
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, But I was like, man, he became became

1818
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Man, yeah, Robert Parish. Like I

1819
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: just hate when they used to trade all the good

1820
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 1: players like that so quick, you know. But that but

1821
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:10,560
Speaker 1: now they got new ownership and everything, and everything is

1822
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: much better. We just want a lot of injuries. That's

1823
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:16,440
Speaker 1: all that's been messing us up. When you see courtside,

1824
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 1: are you doing a Drake? Are you trash talking? Are

1825
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: you just sitting watching the game, because you know, Drake

1826
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: be on the Drake be on courtside, and Drake be

1827
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: talking trash be talking crazy to be getting the ball.

1828
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: I only talk big Bronco. When it's like a Drake,

1829
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: a Travis Scott or somebody like that that's there and

1830
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: they and their team is playing us, that's when I

1831
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: talk big ship to them. Yeah, yeah, what's happening? Yeah,

1832
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know I'm oh man, one thing, I'm

1833
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: a master at getting in that head. You know what

1834
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Picking you know, you don't talk to the player.

1835
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: If you don't talk to the opposing team player, no, no, no,

1836
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I leave them because I like them. I like a

1837
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: lot of them. I would say a couple of things

1838
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: to them, but not like I like I shake the

1839
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: hand of then like Bronnie Lebron. I love Lebron. I

1840
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: try because he fucking he would killer on the court

1841
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: and he just you know, he's so dope, like the

1842
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: game is if not, you know what I'm saying. So

1843
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: it's like I kind of like Brady, you know you're

1844
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: gonna missed that he'd be on the you know, shooting

1845
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I love dude, man, and

1846
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: when he when when people like that come off the court,

1847
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: I shake their hand, you know, and shit like that.

1848
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to Uh, it was one of

1849
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: them games, who's the what's the boy? What's the boy?

1850
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Didn't play with a play with U Durant now all yeah, yeah,

1851
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I say, man, I've seen him after one of them

1852
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: basketball games, man, And we was in like the hallway

1853
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 1: after when we played. When we played, uh, I think

1854
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 1: we played Cleveland and I think I was a Cleveland

1855
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: or something or either it was somewhere we was at.

1856
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: It was it was a final stough. Yeah, he got

1857
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: they got us. It was a game that they played

1858
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: that they I say, May, I ain't gonna even like

1859
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: he was just sitting there just chilling, and I'm like,

1860
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 1: I say, man, I'm gonna even like, Man, you dope

1861
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: his foot, bro. You know I came. I don't like

1862
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: you dope as fuck. Bro. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1863
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you just gotta give it up to certain people because

1864
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, ain't no need to be mad at other

1865
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: teams and other players when you gotta realize that all

1866
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: these all these dudes kick it together. They vacation together

1867
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 1: and everything. They friends. When I played baseball and football,

1868
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: we would be enemies on the court or on the

1869
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean when we'd be we'd be enemies on the

1870
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 1: on the out, in the baseball in the baseball diamond

1871
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: right on the football field. But when we get off

1872
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: of that thing, we findly go eat some pieza or

1873
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 1: something together. Right two separteen, you know the opposite team.

1874
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's all these cats. They're

1875
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: all cool with each other and everything, no matter what

1876
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: how aggressive they look on the court like they don't

1877
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: like each other. Everybody be vacation and everything together. Man,

1878
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: they all contact Raiders of forty nine ers. I would

1879
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 1: say forty nine ers a thought. I never said anything

1880
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: ever bad about the Raiders. I'm from valet Jo. I'm

1881
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: not from Oakland, not for San Francisco, you know what

1882
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm thirty minutes from Oakland and like fifty

1883
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: minutes from Frisco. But I am Northern California Bay Area.

1884
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: You know you gotta be so you got. I tried

1885
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,600
Speaker 1: to and then my all my cousins and everybody. I

1886
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: tried to like the Raiders and the forty nine ers

1887
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: because I grew up on Dave Casper, Jim Plunkett, I

1888
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: grew up on Jerry Rice and Steve Joe Montana, Steve

1889
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Young and them, Merton Hanks and them. I had neighbors

1890
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: that stayed in my neighborhood. I had Alright pe Chester Mclock.

1891
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: I had Darrel Russell. Darrel Russell stayed in my neighborhood,

1892
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: like literally walking dis is around the corner. They all

1893
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: stayed in my neighborhood. I had then Danni Stubblefield stay

1894
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: fort houses down from me. I had Murden Hanks stayed right.

1895
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 1: There's these forty nines, Ricky Watters, I had all of them.

1896
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 1: So I would go sometime. I would They would invite

1897
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: me to the game, So I'll go to a Raider

1898
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 1: game and I would go. But I would have my

1899
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 1: my parent, my main team forty nine ers, So I

1900
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 1: had forty nine a gear on. You know what I'm saying.

1901
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 1: That people wasn't really tripping, you know what I'm saying.

1902
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: So it's like I don't have nothing against the Raiders,

1903
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: and no one ever on the internet can never say

1904
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 1: that I said fuck the Raiders this day and the

1905
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:12,560
Speaker 1: third no matter how bad they say it about me.

1906
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: They want me to be a Raider fan. But I

1907
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: had to pick a side a long time ago because

1908
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: my cousin and all the Raider fans, Rick Rock and

1909
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: all of them casts. They was like, you gotta pick

1910
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: a side, and I was like, I want to roll

1911
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 1: with the whole Bay Area package. There was not This

1912
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: is twenty years ago. They said you gotta pick a side.

1913
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 1: I say, man, all right, fucked y'all there, I'm going.

1914
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 1: Forty nine is for lock. Hey. I want to get

1915
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: you out of your different fort and let me ask

1916
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: your question. I need your mouth rushmore rappers all overall

1917
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: in your mouth, rushmore callie rappers. I like that, So

1918
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: I want. I want the great the fourth greatest rappers

1919
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: East Coast, West Coast five. I don't care. I need four, okay, alright, alright, alright,

1920
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: wow wow wild wow yeah, all right, you want me

1921
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: to go with the fourth greatest, the four greatest, I want.

1922
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I won't fartiest four greatest rappers. I switch it up

1923
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 1: every damn somebody. Every time somebody asked me, is that okay?

1924
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: Because it just happens like that, well do what you do? Okay, okay, okay,

1925
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: tupacet of course. And I can't say me, right, no me,

1926
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: no me. You're gonna say you if you won't you okay, okay, see,

1927
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 1: because I'm in a whole nother category. I'm not a lyricist.

1928
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm a gang spider right all right. But although I

1929
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 1: can bustle, although I can be a lyricist because I

1930
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 1: got bars, right, I got, I got got I ain't

1931
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: even took the bar example, I got I still got

1932
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: bars though, you feel me. But anyway, I would say, uh,

1933
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 1: tupac of course, Okay, that's what I got. Three more spots.

1934
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: I gotta say ice cube, man, I just had to

1935
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: do because you know, man, people, you know, no matter

1936
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 1: how much he rapped nowadays or whatever, he did enough

1937
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 1: in a few years that he got out that you

1938
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: gotta remember, he used to write for n W n WA.

1939
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 1: So just imagine all that shit, all that gas he had,

1940
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 1: you feel me? Yea. And so it's like I would

1941
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 1: have to say ice q uh. And I'm gonna leave

1942
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:22,800
Speaker 1: me out of this because I just want to be fair,

1943
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: even though I know I feel like I'm the greatest

1944
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: of all of them, right, you know what I'm saying.

1945
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna leave it out that I wanted to

1946
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 1: be a you know, a good thing. So and this

1947
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 1: ain't I'm not taking a favorite to him, and I'm

1948
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 1: just talking about the people. Let me see, I would

1949
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: say I would say, I would say tupac ice Q.

1950
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: I would say, and I'm not saying this just because

1951
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: everybody else say it, because I'm a real motherfucker. The

1952
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: reason I'm gonna say Jigger, it's because if he, if

1953
01:35:54,680 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: he did a versus right now, everybody'd be like, Man, Okay,

1954
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: I forgot that motherfucker had that song right there. You

1955
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yeah, damn, damn, I didn't know

1956
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 1: he had. I forgot because people get amnesia. They don't know.

1957
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 1: First of all, it ain't even just lyrics, and it

1958
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 1: ain't it ain't you know, platinum and go downs. It

1959
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: ain't that. It's what you're doing outside of the vocal

1960
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: booth as well, right, just skipping over real quick. That's

1961
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: why I consider Muhammad Ali the greatest boxer of all

1962
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 1: times because of what he did outside his his contributions

1963
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: to our culture and everything like that. There you feel

1964
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, right, So anyway, with Jigger, it's just

1965
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 1: the innovation, the things that the inspiration, the things that

1966
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 1: he's doing. He's took hip hop to another page. You

1967
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 1: gotta put him in there, right, you got to. You know,

1968
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 1: you got you got ice cube, you got jay. Yep,

1969
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 1: got one more. I got one more. I got one

1970
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 1: more to be the greatest of all time. Yep. Man,

1971
01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: that's a horrid one. That's a super hard one. Man,

1972
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 1: that's super hard because it's so many. I want to say,

1973
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: but I look at somebody got to get left. And

1974
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: look here, you didn't bring all your friends with you.

1975
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: You had to leave some of them, So you got

1976
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 1: to leave somebody off body. I want, you know, four?

1977
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 1: Why am I? You know it'd be tripping me out

1978
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: Because they say Mount Worshmore should be five. People don't

1979
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 1: seem like it should be fine. They're not adding another head.

1980
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 1: You're not going to South Dakoda and getting another head

1981
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: on that mount. You're not doing it. They're not doing it.

1982
01:37:51,880 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh you know I can't and I want.

1983
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to base this on who I grew

1984
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 1: up on, because I grew up on a lot of

1985
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: people that I love them. Feel like they're definitely top ten,

1986
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, right, But I gotta keep

1987
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: him one down. Wow, I gotta say, Caun, I base

1988
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: this on what you did in your early days and

1989
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 1: what you're doing now far as other shit too. You

1990
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 1: can base it on whatever you want. This is Forty's list.

1991
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 1: This is not my list, is not anybody else. And

1992
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: if you want to debate, goes, go debate your cousin

1993
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 1: and the barber shall but this Faulty's list. I gotta tie. Okay,

1994
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 1: who you got? I would say Snoop Dogg and Biggie. Okay,

1995
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm leaning towards Snoop because of Now, don't get it

1996
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: fucked up. If Biggie was still living. I really think

1997
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: that if Biggie had more albums because he was dopest

1998
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: the fuck and you knew the potential. You know what

1999
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if he was still living and had more alms,

2000
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I can I can base it up almost. Snoop got

2001
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: long jefty. Snoop is a walking icon. Snoop is into.

2002
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 1: He got his hands all over me, all over the

2003
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 1: place like space. You know what I'm saying, He's still here.

2004
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:17,760
Speaker 1: Uh you know what I mean. It's I gotta I

2005
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: have to say Snoop on that. But don't get it

2006
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 1: fucked up. Biggie top tier for sure. You know what

2007
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I love nas as well. You know what

2008
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But now we get into the top tens

2009
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: and shit like, you know what I'm saying. You said four,

2010
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 1: So I would have to say I would have to say,

2011
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 1: beside me, you know what I'm saying. I'm not I'm

2012
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: not in it. I take myself out of this, right.

2013
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 1: I would have to stay up. You got pop, you

2014
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 1: got cube, you got hold, and you got snoop. Yep,

2015
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,759
Speaker 1: all right, give me Callie Rappers. I need four Calie Rappers.

2016
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: He forty two short ice cube and snoop. That's it.

2017
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: That's it, That's Mount that's more. That's Mount Rushmore of

2018
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: the West Coast period. Sorry, well, a couple of more things,

2019
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: uh party, I've asked if they were alive versus Battle

2020
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Prince Michael Jackson versus Battle Michael Jackson, who uh Mariah carry?

2021
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: If fans a bus y'all know that it's Michael bro

2022
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man A Prince started playing that guitar,

2023
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 1: he gets on that piano, might start dancing and hitting

2024
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:36,800
Speaker 1: that he get him that he starts. Hey, he started

2025
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: hitting at the door. He started when Doves cried, oh man, hey,

2026
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 1: Mike might come out there and get to play that.

2027
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: Billy Jean and all that shit. Boys and some of

2028
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: the some of the Jackson slaps. You know what I'm saying.

2029
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 1: Jackson five, Jackson five, Mariah carry Whitney Houston. Who that's

2030
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:02,080
Speaker 1: a tough one. I'm gonna say the most effective to me,

2031
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 1: the greatest love of Whitney Houston music and make you

2032
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 1: cry Broye seriously. And then you get to thinking about

2033
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: all the stuff she went through and how she's not

2034
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 1: here no more Whitney Houston. Bro, I'll just keep it

2035
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:25,679
Speaker 1: in one thou okay versus battle hold drink. Oh that's

2036
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: a real time. Oh yeah, I come on with it.

2037
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: Come on with it now, because you know Drake did

2038
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 1: in so little time with most do in a lifetime. Yeah, yeah,

2039
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 1: I put that together. I didn't even try to see

2040
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 1: how they did that. Oh my god, that's a tie.

2041
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: You can't have no birthing battle. You can't have no tie,

2042
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: no birthing battle. Bon it. Yes you can me and

2043
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:55,760
Speaker 1: two shirt wasn't tie right. The big one that you

2044
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 1: were too short was collab it. How you gonna be

2045
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 1: joining it on this song? See, this is the thing

2046
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: with Jagger's tricky. That's what I'm saying, because really, I

2047
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,560
Speaker 1: remember I was on the soundtrack with him. It was

2048
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 1: called Sprung Sprung Champ soundtrack. Jay Brown got me on

2049
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: that soundtrack and Jigger was on there as well with me.

2050
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety six, and I remember, you know,

2051
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: I remember watching Jack, Tommy David and Jamie Fox. Right.

2052
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: I believe so, yep, yep, that that that soundtrack. I

2053
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: believe that I gotta go record in my hallway along

2054
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: with Booty Call and a whole bunch of other days,

2055
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I just knew Jigger.

2056
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I realized that the man put in

2057
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: a lot of See what it is is that dude.

2058
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: They start accepting hood ship on the radio when he

2059
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: came in and I and I ain't trying to shine

2060
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 1: a light back on me, but a lot of my

2061
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: ghetto anthems that people love, they wouldn't play it on

2062
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: the radio back then. They're beat back there. They're trying

2063
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: to category as my ship is a local, not blow

2064
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:01,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's how they did me.

2065
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: It was like it was a fuck up. I gotta like,

2066
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: I say, I'm older and wiser, I can hold a

2067
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: grudge against a whole bunch of motherfuckers. How they used

2068
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,560
Speaker 1: to do us in radio and now the beer he

2069
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: used to get done. But anyway, let's get back to Jigger.

2070
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Jigger really got a body of music, man. A long

2071
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 1: list of his catalog is longer than train smoke man.

2072
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: People don't realize that. And it was big records that,

2073
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, even his soil Ship was being able, was

2074
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 1: able to be played on the radio. And when you

2075
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: got all that and then you got you know, that

2076
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,560
Speaker 1: machine behind you as well, and he don't get it

2077
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,800
Speaker 1: fucked up. He started off, you know, independent. I think

2078
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: he was a priority record on the first one, reasonable

2079
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 1: the whole Wood Whop, you know, and he started off

2080
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:45,200
Speaker 1: back with jazz jazzo. I remember that he used to

2081
01:43:45,200 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 1: be in the videos because I remember when he came

2082
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: back and resurfaced and then like like eighty nine nineties

2083
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 1: were jazz or somewhere around there. I see him there.

2084
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, mant do look hello, familiar. So he started

2085
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: ninety three. I think he came with his one song

2086
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 1: and all the day was like, man, guys are like man,

2087
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: dude got a little bit of game about himself, like

2088
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: he kind of woke and shit, you know what I'm saying.

2089
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, you know, we're bagy niggas. So we we

2090
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: we we we look at who kind of laced up,

2091
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: who gained up? You feel me right? Okay? You know

2092
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We felt the same way about Biggie two.

2093
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like these niggas is different

2094
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: than he is. Gamed up, you know. And so anyway,

2095
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 1: make a long story short. In the short story long,

2096
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: I just think that Drake and So a little time.

2097
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: He did a lifetime of work, and that's gonna be heavy, man.

2098
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 1: But I really think that Jigga would win because Drake

2099
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:36,120
Speaker 1: with Drake is a trip because Drake got slaps that

2100
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: was for the brons, but the dudes will love it too.

2101
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 1: And then he got that hip hop ship too, like

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01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: Drake and Rap. I fuck with Drake heavy. That would

2103
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: be a good versus. I would love to see that

2104
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 1: that versus everybody? Would that up break the fucking internet.

2105
01:44:51,439 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Little Kim with Nicki minaj Uh, I just wish. I

2106
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 1: love Little Kim, you know, every time we ever I

2107
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: even met her, she was always sweet, always cool. I

2108
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,560
Speaker 1: loved her music, especially in the earlier days. I just

2109
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: haven't heard any new stuff lately, you know, I kind

2110
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:18,879
Speaker 1: of look at you know. Sometimes I've been around youngsters

2111
01:45:20,080 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 1: and some of the youngsters they say, unk, you know,

2112
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:25,200
Speaker 1: you keep it going, man, But you know a lot

2113
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: of the oh geez, they'd be trying to get at

2114
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: me and be like, man, y'all'll understand how we used

2115
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:30,680
Speaker 1: to do it back then. And they was like, man,

2116
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: the answers are telling me, un I tell him, man,

2117
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:34,680
Speaker 1: it ain't about what you used to do. It is

2118
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: what you're doing now. And you're keeping it going, you

2119
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 1: feel me. So it's about what you're doing now too

2120
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: as well. I'm not saying Little Kim ain't doing it,

2121
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: but Nicki, Nicki Minaj is more on the gas, like

2122
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: she's continuously opening out music and content like that. You

2123
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And I and I respect them both,

2124
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: but I think on that one right now, like in

2125
01:45:55,200 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I think Nicky would win laugh Producers

2126
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 1: of Producers Doctor dre Quincy Jones, Oh, man, why do

2127
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:16,679
Speaker 1: you gotta do that? That's crazy? That's crazy. Oh my god,

2128
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 1: that's a heavy one. You d accid that held for

2129
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: accing that one right there, Brodie, I would have to say,

2130
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: because you know, Quinzy go back with Ray Charles and

2131
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra. I love Dre. I would have the only

2132
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: reason I would say Quincy, But Dre did a lot too,

2133
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: But you know, Quinzy got that Michael Jackson. There's too

2134
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: many different categories, Like Dre is more urban hip hop,

2135
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: but Quincy's urban hip hop, too urban because Quincy, people

2136
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 1: don't know he did Sanford and Son. Yeah, you could

2137
01:46:54,920 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 1: do Sanford and Men. Or when I listened to that,

2138
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, who thinks of something like that? Who thinks

2139
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 1: to play? Who thinks to make a song with all

2140
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 1: of them? I don't even know what kind of what

2141
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 1: he used to make that ship? Like, how do you

2142
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: do that? Bro? You know? So I'm like I would say,

2143
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say I love you Dre.

2144
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: But Quincy, Yeah, because of what he's done. If you

2145
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: look at this body at work, it's twice. Nobody can

2146
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,240
Speaker 1: touch Quincy, nobody, nobody, Nobody can touch Quincy because, like

2147
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: you said, Quincy goes back fifty years and he goes

2148
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: from some Natra to Ray Charles to you know, he

2149
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 1: did Barry White, he did Michael Jackson, he did so many.

2150
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,200
Speaker 1: But if it came to hip hop, yeah, anybody when

2151
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 1: anybody got me. I mean what maybe a Jimmy jamm

2152
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 1: and Terry lewis a complament when it comes to hip hop.

2153
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 1: Came Tobody. Fuck with Doctor Dre Oh yeah yeah yeah

2154
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 1: yeah yeah no no no no, not with the snoop

2155
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: in the Tupac his own album, Uh car ya m andem.

2156
01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 1: Not not all this body at work, not with as

2157
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 1: long as the train smoke, it should go along with

2158
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 1: the train smoke. Talk to me, baby boy. I appreciate this, Bro.

2159
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:11,599
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a This thing's gonna be out, It's

2160
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 1: gonna be hot. I appreciate the time. And like I said, Bro,

2161
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 1: I know you twenty five years so you've always give

2162
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:20,719
Speaker 1: given me love. So I appreciate the support. Continue success

2163
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: in the Tycoon Flurricane, going with the spoons, the noodles. Bro,

2164
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate everything. Let's go, baby, I love your baby,

2165
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it all my life, running all my life, sacrifice,

2166
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 1: hustle back pricing, one slice got the bron dice to

2167
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 1: swathing all my life. I've been grinding all my life,

2168
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:44,879
Speaker 1: all my life and running all my life, sacrifice, hustle back, pricing,

2169
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:48,719
Speaker 1: One slice got the bron dice to swathing all my life.

2170
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I've been running all my life,