WEBVTT - Greatest Post-Playing Careers with Jensen Karp 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:16.920 Welcome to another episode of the Greatest. Said, I wanted 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:20.160 to say it with you the Greatest. Oh sorry, I 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.080 was just trying to that's what week Week eight, Week nine, 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.759 and Quarantine sounds like hosting a podcast with your husband. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:31.040 We're back in the laundry room. We experimented with our 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.720 other podcast studios within the house. We tried my office. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.199 I think all of my memorabilia threw you off. No, no, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:40.959 I liked it in there a lot. We tried the 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.200 room that just has a liquor car and the peloton. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.519 But we have a neighbor who decides to rev seven 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:54.040 motorcycles just like them. I hate him so much. He's 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.520 my number one Quarantine enemy. Um, but it would be 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.600 great if we found it he listened. No, he doesn't. Um. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.560 But today we are so excited to welcome a dear 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:09.960 friend who is also so cool and talented and also 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.200 now a member of the I Heart Radio podcast family. Wow, 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.120 we can all go to the Christmas party together. Um. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.360 We have written together on the SPS. He has a 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:25.119 book called Kanye West. I thought it was twenty it's 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:34.120 five hundred. Um creator of drop the mic and to 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.600 to some maybe even to me. Most impressively, a writer 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.880 on the first season of The Mass Singer, which revolutionized TV. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:47.600 Give it up for Jensen carp Oh. Hello, Hi, unless 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.840 you guys know something about him owing me more money, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:57.880 it is technically three Okay, I'm sorry, I was and 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.040 I thought it was five. Dress listen. I found an 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.880 unauthorized revised version Jenson off the Black Market. Um, but 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.160 how are you doing man? Thanks for joining us. I'm 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.840 doing pretty good. But I do like the idea that 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.320 I mean. The title is already very petty, but imagine 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.800 how petty with you over to right a novel? Um, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.520 you're you're a new dad too? Yeah? Ten month old? 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.200 Uh he is at His name is Adlert, a beautiful 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:31.320 little boy. He looks looks like Marve Albert already. Yeah yeah, 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.640 full head of hair, not like Women's Entree or anything. Um, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.519 but yeah, we really were living the quarantine life a 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.880 little before. He was born prematured, so we were in 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.160 thenqueue for a month and he had a lung disorder. 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.600 Very cool things. Uh, he worked it out. Everything is 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.200 good now. But we we have been living like this already, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.480 so this is just sort of now everyone's down to 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.880 our level. Yeah, I mean that's we had Sarah Tillan 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:56.880 on the podcast a few weeks ago, and then I 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.600 have some friends that are new moms and they're like, yeah, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:01.959 it's not a terrible time to be doing this, because 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:05.480 this is kind of what maternity leave. Paternity leave ends 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.400 up being. You're just in your house taking care of 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.760 the little sweetie and he's doing well health wise. Now, yeah, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.160 he's doing really good. He's thriving. He uh definitely doesn't 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.000 have the fluid in the lungs is basically what he had, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.280 and now it's it's kind of all gotten gotten out. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.280 And it was just a really scary, you know, first 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.160 few months. But um, you know, I think people like 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.720 us have it pretty easy with ten month olds or 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.520 younger or you know, once once I hit three, four 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.040 or five, it's like you have to really entertain them. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.440 And like, right now I can just hand him a 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.200 water bottle and you can like walk off for two hours. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:40.640 we have friends that have a six month old and 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.520 a four year old. Yeah, every time I see her, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:50.360 she looks at the brink of a mental breakdown. Yeah, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.800 it's it's we have we have friends who have twins 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.720 that are like six or seven. They are two of 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.200 the most calm minded people I've ever known in my life, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:04.040 and so chill, and they I've never gotten straight up. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.119 I can't believe schools not coming back texts like they 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.200 actually are like fully breaking down in front of me. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.160 So I feel for them way way more than me. Yeah. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.680 I mean, my brother is he's divorced now and so 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.880 he shares custody with his X and he has a daughter. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.919 He's in second grade, and he's like, we get like 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.160 eight emails a day about assignments and I'm like, what, 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.560 that's insane to me. Yeah, he's smart too, he's a lawyer, 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.839 but he's still just like and he's doing it. But 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.719 you don't want your kids to be stupid. But it 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.039 does seem like a lot and you're not having to 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:42.360 teach the child anything, so you're really lucked out. No, literally, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.760 we don't. We've ever even taught him a thing. If 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:49.520 it's raining, we go, what's this? Yeah, that's great, Jensen. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.000 So we're honored to have you on. I also, I 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.359 don't know if I told you because I need your 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:57.200 podcast a couple of weeks ago. But it's your Your 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.479 career has just always been so fascinating, and you know, 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.800 I've admired it from afar just because like we know 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.719 friends who are either you know, comedians or comedy writers. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.120 But you're like sort of all over the place in 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.279 such a cool way like you've been. You know, you 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.200 obviously wrote that book about you being a rapper when 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.920 you're young. You're really for the sps. You creative dropped 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.520 the mic, and you also own and I've always wanted 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.320 to talk to you about this um or you founded gallery, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.279 which is I don't know, I don't know if you know. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.839 I'm just like such a big nostalgia fan and you know, 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.360 love vintage everything and and just old eighties and nineties movies. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.599 So yeah, I mean, just tell it. How what the 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.479 hell did you want to do growing up? And how 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.520 did all these things happen? I guess well, what I 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.400 wanted to do is definitely something I never could have done, 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.960 which is basically played baseball, which is what you know. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.760 I kind of went through life thinking could happen for me, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.440 and then I was like, wait, I'm super Jewish, that 0:05:55.720 --> 0:06:00.240 never happens. H Gabe Kapler. It's like all I have um, 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.200 and so I was always a good rapper, and I guess, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.599 you know, I felt like battling was always my strength. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:10.239 And I was doing local battles and doing all sorts 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:11.920 of you know, going to the House of Blues and 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.520 participating in ciphers and stuff as a kid um and 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.400 I had like a small brush which talked about in 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.160 the book. I had a small brush with being signed 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.720 with iced teas rhyme syndicate when I was in middle school. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.560 I know, very weird things happened to me rapping wise, 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:30.240 and I figured that I could maybe do that for 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:32.119 a living. But I was going to college for writing. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.200 I went to USC for communications in journalism with a 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.920 focus on cinematic writing. And I kind of figured I'd 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.719 do comedy. I'd start going up and I started to, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.599 you know, do the open mics and comedy store and 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.039 things like that a college. And then I entered this 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.440 radio contest in Los Angeles called roll Call, and it 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:50.440 was where you battle three or four people a day. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.360 And I had already got a bit of a name 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.599 battling at that point. And I won the contest for 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.440 like forty six days or something that I know the 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:05.640 winner before me had only one ten power one of six. Yeah, okay, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.159 so like it wasn't like it wasn't like a rock 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.200 station where they're like where it was like the real 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.920 hip station. Yeah, it was. It was intense. Yeah, I mean, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.560 you know it was like we have some days you 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.240 have competition, other days you wouldn't. And um, I it 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.000 was before iPhones and iPods and before satellite radio, so 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.280 people were really listening to terrestrial radio and we just 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.160 like really, I mean, it captured sort of a weird 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.800 moment in hip hop nersery here in l A. And 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.280 as soon as I left, I went back to USC 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.840 to do finals, and Jimmy Iving basically jumped in the 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.920 middle of me in college and said, I'm going to 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.600 give you a record deal for a million dollars. Yeah, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.800 And so Jimmy Jimmy signed me to inter Scope, and 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.840 I recorded an album with Kanye and Black Eyed Peas 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.880 and Red Man and Fabulous and all these different people. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.160 Lived this like crazy life for two years. It didn't 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:58.480 work out for me, and then I kind of went 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.120 back into my normal life. It's so interesting too, because 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:06.200 you grew up in Calabasas I did well up in 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.760 wood up in Woodland Hills, which is yeah, the ugly 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.280 step son. Oh and really quick you brought up the gallery. Sorry, 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.840 I didn't even address it. I was just one of 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.240 the things that was really cool to me too. Well, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.720 the gallery. I when I stopped wrapping, Um, I didn't 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.160 know what I wanted to do when I have this money, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.640 and my money manager was like, you can't just like 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.239 buy blue rays or DVDs at the time, and wow, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.880 that's what c J does. So that's interesting that a 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.000 money manager tells you not to do that. Well, I 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.840 still do it, but but he he at the time, 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.840 was like, you can't just do that. And so I 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.160 started looking into businesses I was interested in. And I 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.280 love art and always been a fan. Didn't know much 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.760 about it, but I knew that my friends like Kanye 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.680 at the time or d J a M who was 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.560 making a lot of money at the time, like those 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.079 guys were spending like, you know, five on sneakers and 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.240 then you'd go to their house and they have like 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.040 a ten dollar poster. And I felt like and I 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.199 felt like, you know, from like bed bath and Beyond, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:57.720 and I was like, there's there's gotta be a middle 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.520 ground here where it's still affordable, but it's as to you. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.000 And that's where Gallery Nice came up, and I opened 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.360 up with my friend TEDD Cromwell, and uh, you know, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:11.160 it's sort of pop culture and nostalgia inspired art I have. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.160 We have Jensen to blame for a lot of my 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.319 current I don't want to blame him because he's very 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.319 talented and cool, you know, but you. He maybe has 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.760 enabled you, but you are You are the addict and 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.200 he is the supplier. Um and so you grew up 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.240 in l A and went to USC which now that 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.360 degree must mean so much more to you given the 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.720 things that have happened over the last year. But it's like, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:38.080 I just wonder if I'm sure you would have because 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:39.800 c J and I are not from here and we 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.600 wound up here. But like a boy like you growing 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.760 up in St. Louis, Like, how would that have looked 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.600 differently than a shot? I mean, you had you have 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.839 head shots from when you were a kid that are 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.520 so cute. And it's to me, growing up in a 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.320 place where like you, we didn't know anything about show business, 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:59.679 it's just so fascinating to me. Yeah, to a lot 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.520 of people, and for good reason. I mean, I did 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.480 not grow up with any connections. My father sold cars. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.520 My mother had a local kind of like advertising paper 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.120 that she ran out of the house with like cue 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.040 bonds and stuff in it. And neither of them had 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.800 truly any connections. But then at my school, you know, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.320 you'd go you'd go to school and there be kids 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.800 like I just realized Harry Nielsen's kid went to our 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.680 school and I didn't even know, Like I didn't even 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.439 I didn't even know he did. He was in my grade. Uh, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.720 and we had like no idea. So it wasn't like 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.600 like my wife, for example, went to went to high 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:36.600 school with me, and she was one of the famous. Yeah, 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.439 she was super famous when she was at her high 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.240 school and um, and like no one ever made a 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:42.960 big deal out of it. It was like just sort 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.280 of like, yes, she she was there, you know, And 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.360 I think that it maybe it is sort of a 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.440 Los Angeles thing, but I don't think anyone was like 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.160 really freaking out, like Christina Riti came in visit. Here's 0:10:55.160 --> 0:11:00.280 the thing. Remember do you remember Gabby Hoffman. Okay, so 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.320 Gabby Gabby went to our high school as well, and 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.280 she wasn't like super famous yet, but she was a 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.160 kid in the field of dreams and she was in 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.920 now and then yeah, and she was doing stuff and 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.840 she was in a Woody Allen movie while we were 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.160 in high school, and like she was always hip and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.280 cool and whatever. And she had Christina Ricchie come visit 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.800 our school one day, like she just came and hung 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.680 out with her. And you would think that would like 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.800 blow the school up. Yeah, but like no one even knew. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.200 Like if I bring it up to people, now, do 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.040 you remember when Christina Reachi visit our school? And we'll 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.280 be like, now, I don't remember that. Oh my gosh. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.080 I mean we had a kid who used to take 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.319 his shirt off and then that meant he was about 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:38.839 to like fight someone and he was left to us 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.880 Like that was but that's and like there were rumors 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.800 that the FBI was investigating him and we were like, wow, 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.559 he is famous, Um, but I don't think he very 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.920 welcome be dead now. Um, But that was that was 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.360 the level of fame. It's yeah, it's just it's it's 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.880 so cool. But I get that it didn't seem strange 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.640 to you at the time. Yeah, it seems stranger when 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.320 I got to college because in college. People would ask 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.319 stuff like that, and like the Menendez brothers went to 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.439 my high school, you know, and so like you bring 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.319 in like the movie Alpha Dogs basically about my high 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.840 school and the high school next door, and so we 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:15.200 like you bring that stuff up and people are like really, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.200 and you're like, I don't know if I've ever talked 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.240 about this with anyone, Like it doesn't come up a 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.000 lot when you're in it, but when we're out of it, 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.480 you're like, I guess it's very odd. The val Victorian 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:29.480 wasn't like Menendez boys just skimming over. Can I ask 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.200 you did you go to one of the high schools 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:36.520 where you walked outside to class? You mean like it 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:41.160 was not enclosed? Correct, So like I don't know if 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.800 you know this, but like California, these coast and in 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.160 Midwest kids, like when when I watched movies like from 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.679 the eighties and nineties, like just one of the guys 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.559 and I see them walking outside during a school day, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:55.040 I'm like, how is this allowed? This is like science fiction? 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.600 It is so cool. It's to me, it's like the 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:04.480 number one. Like California, we only I think we only 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.360 had one building that could have been used in a 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:09.560 winter storm. On top of that, everything else was outdoors. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.440 And then it's so funny because like I have heard 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.440 this before that not that specifically, but when I went 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.680 to college and people would be like, oh, man, did 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.440 you live near that amusement park at the beginning of 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.040 step by Step, which is like so funny to me 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.719 because like I never saw a step by Step, but 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:27.360 obviously as soon as people brought it up, I went 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.800 and looked it up, and like it's just the matter 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.160 or not the matter one. It's just that magic Mountain ride, 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.440 but they've superimposed it near the water, so like that 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.400 doesn't exist. But it's like people have this weird TV 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.160 movie thoughts about what it was like living here, and 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.720 I was quite square, quite nerdy, um, and so I 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.280 never like lived crazy life percent until maybe rap stuff started. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:54.480 All right, Well, before we get too off topic, I 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.920 do get like going down this, like hearing about all 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.800 of Jensen's career accomplishments does kind of tie into this topic, yeah, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.920 because I mean, and you ended up working with a 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.160 lot of these people will probably mention, but today's topic 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.520 or the greatest topic is the greatest post playing careers, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.599 and it's sort of we're going to keep it a a 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.680 little bit open. But it's essentially people who in athletes 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.240 who have sort of kept their business is going after 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.760 they're sort of like prime playing, created a new business 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.520 that made them famous in other ways. J and I 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.080 were talking about this last night. I ended up picking 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:38.000 people that did not like obviously there's commentators and there's 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.800 coaches that were players and then went on to do 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.480 great things as those professions. I think of those as 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:48.080 almost too close. Like I ended up picking people that 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.640 are in a completely different field of work and rose 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.320 to prominence just as much as they were in their 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.280 playing career. Okay, so that's what that was what I did, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.880 And I don't know. Yeah, Jensen, do you want to 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.120 lead us off with your number three? Yeah? Mon, number 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.120 three is I guess he's I think this is perfect 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.960 because obviously, like you said, answering shack stuff like that 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:15.000 seems pretty easy, and I don't. I don't think any 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:18.400 of us are are. We're all a little obscure. So 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.360 so I think my pick for number three is going 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:25.320 to be Kevin Johnson. And that's purely because Kevin Johnson, 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.240 like when he ran for office the first time, I 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.920 think people were like that Kevin Johnson, you know what 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.560 I mean, Like, I don't think people thought he was 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.920 gonna end up being the mayor of Sacraments UM. And 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.160 I know that there's been like listen, I know his 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.080 Wikipedia is filled with garbage as to what happened while 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.160 he was governor UM. But you know, it was still 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.200 kind of an amazing thing where you actually thought, oh 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.840 my god, the sports guys you know, can actually run 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.200 for office. Like that was kind of you know, obviously 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.800 there were people like Bradley and stuff before him, but 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.760 I thought that was pretty awesome. And he was a 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:00.480 big guy as far as like when I did a 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.440 little bit of research for this, he was super into 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.560 this program called Volunteer Sacramento, and he was very green 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.480 and he actually did a decent amount of good stuff 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:12.000 while he was in office and was reelected once, but 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.120 then maybe ran into some issues with sexual assault and harassment. Okay, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.600 maybe those things did. To me, that only makes him 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.400 a legitimate politician, Like it's like, oh, yeah, you're a 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:26.600 real politician. Okay. He was the first black mayor of 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:31.720 Sacramento two and so that's a very impressive feet as well. Yeah, well, 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.520 a lot of issues involving you know, the pieing incident. Uh, 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.080 you know, there was, there was a lot of things 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.760 that happened. But beyond that, Kevin Johnson going from NBA 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.960 basketball player and a good one, yeah, great, yeah, great 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.360 one and then going into politics I thought was always 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.400 a pretty interesting pivot. And I wonder if you know, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.680 we're watching the Last Dance like everyone else, and he 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.200 is one of those guys that he that were in 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.200 Jordan's tracks of like he prevented, you know, Kevin Johnson 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.359 and Charles Barkley, and these guys are winning a championship 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.640 that they weren't fulfilled from their playing career, and then 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.159 they go that's interesting. Yeah, and you know that's just 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.679 a theory of mind. They're like, well, I you know, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.640 there's no Michael Jordan my way of becoming the mayor 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.399 of Sacramento, and so I'm really going to go for it. Thus, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.359 you know, and this happens. I could see that Barkley too, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:25.000 because Barkley is just so he he almost like ramped 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.000 up after his playing career. Like everyone knows him. He's 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.199 my favorite comedian. He's everywhere, and he's and he's so 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.320 funny and he's so good on TV and then when 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.120 you see him in the last dance, it's like, oh yeah, 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.280 that was so demoralizing that c G. I think you 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.679 do have a good point that it was like, Okay, 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.480 I couldn't win a ring, but I can win Mr. Congeniality, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.080 and he and him and Shack have very much gone 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.000 on to do that, even though Shaq has rings too. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.000 I promised not to pick anyone else's sexual assault. It's 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.040 totally fine. Well, I mean I was having this conversation 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.480 when last night too, it's like this this top kind 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.000 of bummed me out in a way because there's very 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.880 few if and I struggled to find any woman who 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:10.440 has been able to obviously Becky Hammond, and there's women 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.960 that have been gone gone on to be incredible coaches. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.040 Christie Everett is like one of my favorite tennis commentators, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.560 but they're still in the sport. And I think some 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.800 of that is just as a society, men are allowed 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.200 to conquer and do lots of different things, and I 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.400 think we are like, oh, Okay, a woman succeeded at this, 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:32.119 great that's you get that. And then and then they 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.920 either go on to raise families or or they that 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.479 there they become activists. But there's very few women that 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.320 that have been able to pivot into the careers that 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.040 we're going to be talking about, which are mostly politics, acting, 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:50.639 and entrepreneurship. And we just don't allow the space for 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.080 a woman to be successful in multiple fast sets publicly, 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:58.000 I think unfortunately. Yeah, I mean hopefully that's changing over 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.200 time with I mean, honestly, I just for my podcast, 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.080 I just talked to Aaron Andrew's husband about, you know 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.040 what it's like being a King's coach because he's like 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.919 a developmental coach right now and he's just like sitting 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.160 on his couch and Aaron Andrews is running like six 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.960 seven businesses during the quarantine. So like that kind of 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.720 stuff really stokes me out as far as like where 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.840 we're going with it. But like you said, yes, I 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.040 had to pick someone who has quite a tainted past 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.119 when I looked at politics. Well, but like even calling 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.320 him Aaron Andrew's husband, it's like that's a win, you 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:31.040 know that progress. Okay, so my first one, this is 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.960 gonna feel less obscure, but like, I don't know, I 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.919 just love it so much. Is George Foreman. Yeah, obviously 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.600 a boxer. But if when you hear George Foreman, now 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.600 you really just think of the grills. And so I 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.000 was doing a little bit of I truly thought he 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.120 invented the grill. He did not um in the nineties 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.000 he invented the grill. Just was like, I would like 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.280 to cook on this grill. That's what I thought. That's 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.960 not what happened. Basically, a company went to him and 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.600 was like, would you our spokesperson, and then it was 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.760 for a limited amount of time. I think it was 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.359 like an event or one or two, and it was 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:12.200 such a massive success that then they like re named 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.199 the product after him, and he became the face of 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.520 this and then did the infomercials. And I mean, George 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:23.280 Foreman grills are in the cultural lexicon just when you 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.879 think about like when I think about men I dated 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.679 in college, or like it's it's that you walk in 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.480 and you see someone as a George Foreman and you're like, 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:33.640 oh boy, or it's just to me, he is more 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.560 successful as George Foreman grill than he is as George 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.720 Foreman the boxer, right right. And also he was the 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:45.720 second person they asked I remember this stat and maybe 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.600 I almost i'd say, I'm so that's pretty eye up. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.800