Speaker 1: All. Welcome to episode sixty one The Bobby Cast with
Speaker 1: Nicole Galleon, who, by the way, we're gonna tell you
Speaker 1: before we walked on, everybody's has super nice things about you.
Speaker 1: And in this town, that's what that's happened with everybody.
Speaker 1: It's such a like everybody's like, God, I have an
Speaker 1: opinion on that person. Everybody's had super nice things about you.
Speaker 1: Get any dirt. We don't search for dirt, but we're like, hey, Mike,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree? Like everybody we talked to was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you will love her. First person universally we've ever had
Speaker 1: someone said you'll everybody said you love no pressure, no
Speaker 1: pressure at all. Um. You know who was up here
Speaker 1: and was fantastic as Natalie Himby and she loves you
Speaker 1: love her. And if anybody notally loves somebody, pretty cool,
Speaker 1: we'll let you know. She doesn't. Yeah, I just lets
Speaker 1: you know real quick too. So let's see. I want
Speaker 1: to tell you how because I want to run through
Speaker 1: your resume real quick, and then we'll come back to
Speaker 1: it because I like people to know who we're talking
Speaker 1: to it first. So just some songs that Nicole has
Speaker 1: written here, I which I actually wrote this jingle for
Speaker 1: our show. This is a really amazing tune. You can
Speaker 1: um no like for example automatic by the way you
Speaker 1: do it with today. That's what Frank Lidel. We were
Speaker 1: sitting at a table for like three hours. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: he produced yeah, um, because he produces, you know, random stuff.
Speaker 1: We set for about three hours at a table today
Speaker 1: and talked about the future of the business and and
Speaker 1: at a at a seminar of his brutal and I
Speaker 1: like Frank and we were both like, I'm over it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Frank produced that. Let's see we were Keith,
Speaker 1: you pumped your fist on that one. We're gonna come
Speaker 1: back to that line things like and I have a
Speaker 1: whole opinion and we can get to this and I'll
Speaker 1: rant a bit, but love Triangle from Raylan Lantic Forever
Speaker 1: Heart and the Long Swabs and then a lot of
Speaker 1: other stuff. But I want to tell you how it
Speaker 1: was introduced to you because I am the biggest Walker
Speaker 1: Hayes fan and like that's my friend too, and I
Speaker 1: took him on tour. We just finished our last show together.
Speaker 1: We did January through May, and he opened from my
Speaker 1: stand up comedy tour and months ago. I mean before
Speaker 1: he even had I was just like, dude, this stuff
Speaker 1: is next level. Like when this Volume one came out,
Speaker 1: I was playing it on the radio and I was like,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love everybody of it. This Halloween
Speaker 1: song and you sing it and you wrote it with them,
Speaker 1: and I'm hearing this song and it was just before
Speaker 1: I play I remember hearing it and kind of listening
Speaker 1: to the message, and it was, you know, Halloween ended
Speaker 1: and all the things I pretended to be, Like, you
Speaker 1: met somebody and you don't have to dress up and
Speaker 1: be this character anymore. You can just be yourself. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know where this came from,
Speaker 1: but this is like next level stuff. And not only
Speaker 1: did you write it with him, you sang it with them.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play it and then we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to you. I'm done with my whole spill up front
Speaker 1: Halloween to look at all these talents. I love this song, man,
Speaker 1: I love this song Halloween. Hell. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I'm like as a dam like I was so good,
Speaker 1: he's so good, he's so good, like and when he
Speaker 1: finally I've saved tweets, I'm like a year ago, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, everybody's gonna be sorry they didn't sign walking
Speaker 1: Y's because he's that good and I've been written with
Speaker 1: him and he does a different level. He's he's so wordy,
Speaker 1: but like in this amazingly like precise way. So enough enough,
Speaker 1: enough of me rambling. We'll come back to that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll come back about you. So where did you grow
Speaker 1: up and how did you get here? I grew up
Speaker 1: in Kansas the Middle. I grew up in a little
Speaker 1: farm town of like two thousand people where West Town,
Speaker 1: then Ton. Okay, well I guess if we went to town,
Speaker 1: we went to a another smallest town called Hutchinson. I know. Yeah, so, um,
Speaker 1: that's where we would go to the Target or the
Speaker 1: Applebee's for or for a date or something like that. Um,
Speaker 1: but that was probably thirty miles away. So how long
Speaker 1: ago did you move to Nashville. I moved here in
Speaker 1: two thousand two, right when I graduated from high school.
Speaker 1: So this is my fifteen year Nashville versary. Um. I
Speaker 1: came here and went to Belmont. At that time, I
Speaker 1: had never sung I go you know, I actually got
Speaker 1: into the business backwards because I came here wanting to
Speaker 1: be a manager. Really, I had never written a song.
Speaker 1: I had never sung in front of anybody. When I
Speaker 1: moved here, I you know, I was like the anti
Speaker 1: girl moving to Nashville who had grown up singing at
Speaker 1: every county fair, wanting to be in the music business.
Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to be on the business side.
Speaker 1: What made you want to be a manager? Like growing
Speaker 1: up in a small town of Kansas, I wouldn't again
Speaker 1: if I'm a tight toown in Arkansas. I never even
Speaker 1: knew managers were a thing. Well, I was just obsessed
Speaker 1: with the music. I was just obsessed with country music.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I was like I I was
Speaker 1: raised real blue collar, like my dad and his brother's
Speaker 1: all poor concrete that's still what they do. And so
Speaker 1: for me it was like I was very business minded
Speaker 1: and how can I how can I work and be
Speaker 1: in the music business. I never had that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I grew up playing classical piano hardcore like one competitions.
Speaker 1: It was like my thing, But that mean hard course
Speaker 1: did you start training at a young age, like like
Speaker 1: at three? And then I was like play in these
Speaker 1: like symphony orchestra things when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I was very disciplined, but like, I never saw a
Speaker 1: way for that to connect with my passion, which was
Speaker 1: country music. I mean, my mom and I went to
Speaker 1: every concert. We were like, you know, we were those fans,
Speaker 1: you know, but playing classical piano and loving the Dixie Chicks.
Speaker 1: How do you where's the middle ground between those two?
Speaker 1: And so for me, I was I'm actually I actually
Speaker 1: thought that I was a manager because of the way
Speaker 1: that I'm made. I'm not made like a creative like
Speaker 1: most of the people who write songs. I'm type A.
Speaker 1: I'm very like like I could be really happy in
Speaker 1: a suit and tie job. Like I thought that, And
Speaker 1: that's actually the way that I operate in process and
Speaker 1: wire and I'm wired and stuff. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. You're passionist country music and your type
Speaker 1: A and you're wired like this, you must be something
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So that's what got me here. You're
Speaker 1: going to manage artists. I moved here. I went to
Speaker 1: Belmont thinking that I was going to get this degree
Speaker 1: and manage artists and got here and just started meeting
Speaker 1: songwriters and literally the first time I sat in someone's
Speaker 1: living room and saw guitar pool. I thought I can
Speaker 1: do that, and it wasn't like it wasn't pride, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I didn't I had never written a song,
Speaker 1: but I just knew myself and knew that I could
Speaker 1: do that. And so I was like a closeted songwriter
Speaker 1: for many years. Even as you're playing piano. All those years,
Speaker 1: you never wrote a song. So what did you do play?
Speaker 1: I dropped off. Yes, I played Beethoven. I played like
Speaker 1: study because that's what was available in the country. Was
Speaker 1: like choral mute. Like if I sang, I sang in
Speaker 1: a quiet choral music because that's what you do in
Speaker 1: a small town. That was no band. There was no
Speaker 1: one learning guitar, no one. It was you know. It
Speaker 1: wasn't until I got here that I figured out that
Speaker 1: I could put all that stuff together. Did you sing
Speaker 1: solos in your choir? If you have to think about it,
Speaker 1: there there are no distinct memories of you just rocking
Speaker 1: in a solo. I think they made me. My choir
Speaker 1: director made me do one like my senior year, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of a joke, and it wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't have like a great choral voice. I don't
Speaker 1: think of myself as a singer still. Um So, I
Speaker 1: definitely didn't think of myself as a singer when I
Speaker 1: was seventeen, as I thought a singer was Martin McBride.
Speaker 1: That was the only way you could sing and be
Speaker 1: a good singer. And then I got here and met
Speaker 1: songwriters and I'm like, oh, you're all artists in your
Speaker 1: own way, and you don't sound like Martin McBride or
Speaker 1: Faith Fell, you know, the people that had these huge voices,
Speaker 1: and I don't have that voice. So I never considered
Speaker 1: myself a singer. At what point did it turn for you?
Speaker 1: And you go, Okay, maybe I don't want to manage.
Speaker 1: I want to be someone who creates. Um well, probably
Speaker 1: you kind of have to note kind of what was
Speaker 1: going on on this side too. I worked for a
Speaker 1: booking agent at William Morris all through college as I
Speaker 1: was like his assistant for four years, and part of
Speaker 1: my job was helping him throw parties. So we would
Speaker 1: throw these parties at his house with all these people
Speaker 1: in the music business, and then everyone would be drunk
Speaker 1: and at the end of the party, he knew I
Speaker 1: was writing songs because he was kind of he kind
Speaker 1: of became family to me, and he'd be like, Nick,
Speaker 1: get up there and play a song, and he would
Speaker 1: always put me on this spot, and I would always
Speaker 1: be so scared. But something in me just loved songwriting
Speaker 1: enough that I was like, if you can't do this,
Speaker 1: you're never going to be a songwriter. So could you
Speaker 1: start playing guitar when you moved here? I just read
Speaker 1: on piano, So you don't play guitar now? And I
Speaker 1: still don't play Wow, so you right on piano. So
Speaker 1: Walker just back to walking. Walker writes and plays piano.
Speaker 1: So on YouTube it said, like the doling it's like
Speaker 1: Billy Joel and Elton John, I want to that concerts
Speaker 1: like doing pianos. He oh, I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: rarely play in the room anymore. And that's the weird thing.
Speaker 1: Like the first I got a publishing deal in two
Speaker 1: thousand seven, and I pretty much wrote at the piano.
Speaker 1: I was the girl. I was like the country Sarah borellis,
Speaker 1: I guess, for lack of a better, the description when
Speaker 1: I first had a publishing deal and and I was
Speaker 1: just given that when you write, when the coolst she
Speaker 1: writes on the piano. And then this whole track. Guy.
Speaker 1: Revolution happened with songwriting where all these guys were incredible.
Speaker 1: You know, they've had these incredible tracks. So then I
Speaker 1: started walking in and I became more of a top liner.
Speaker 1: Basically top line. The top line is pretty much anything
Speaker 1: you would sing in karaoke, So lyric, melody, whatever the
Speaker 1: singer does in karaoke is what top lining is. And
Speaker 1: that's more of like an l A pop way of
Speaker 1: talking about writing. We don't say that as much here
Speaker 1: in Nashville because everyone just kind of is chameleon and
Speaker 1: everyone does everything in the room. But when I got
Speaker 1: rid of my piano, which is ultimately what got me
Speaker 1: into writing in the first place. That so when I
Speaker 1: really started to blossom. That sounds so dumb. Blossom he
Speaker 1: says that. But do you write with piano now? Maybe
Speaker 1: like a handful of times a year? Wow? Really do
Speaker 1: you play it for? Fine? Still a little bit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, are you burnt at all from it? I'm
Speaker 1: I got to the point on a writing front where
Speaker 1: I was um uninspired by everything I was playing because
Speaker 1: I was just playing everything and writing for the country market.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of kinds of songs that I wanted
Speaker 1: to write that just don't pay off in the room
Speaker 1: on piano, Like I can't write a song to pitch
Speaker 1: to Luke Brian most of the time. Writing on piano,
Speaker 1: you can't write a lot of the same fields. It
Speaker 1: would just sound like bad Billy Joel you know, it
Speaker 1: would just sound like terrible Elton John. You know. I
Speaker 1: just didn't sound like anything anyone would ever cut, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't inspiring. So I just kind of gave that up.
Speaker 1: So you got your first publishing girls, which means they
Speaker 1: start paying you'd write songs. Yeah, So what was your
Speaker 1: first bit of success, meaning who was the first one
Speaker 1: to ever put a song on hold and go oh,
Speaker 1: even if you didn't get it where you kind of
Speaker 1: got a little bit excited. I don't remember the like
Speaker 1: a substantial hold, but I remember. Are you familiar with
Speaker 1: Josh Kelly Charles Brother not country but kind of Americana acoustic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And at the time all I knew of him was
Speaker 1: that he had been a pop artist and was coming
Speaker 1: to Nashville and um was making a country record and
Speaker 1: he I wrote a song with him that was going
Speaker 1: to be his first single, and it was going to
Speaker 1: be my first time to hear something that I had
Speaker 1: written on the radio, and the last minute they changed
Speaker 1: their mind and went with another song, and it kind
Speaker 1: of struggled, and then I think they kind of like
Speaker 1: used all their bullets per se on that song, and
Speaker 1: then then they put ours out and it just like
Speaker 1: died at fifty, which is such a rite of passage
Speaker 1: for every songwriter. Do you all dream of getting, you know,
Speaker 1: your first single, because in your mind you think if
Speaker 1: I get a single, I get a hit. Well those
Speaker 1: two very different things. So you get the single and
Speaker 1: then it fails, and then you go, okay, now my
Speaker 1: new goal is to have a hit. So you get
Speaker 1: a song with Josh Kelly. Yes, no real success, but
Speaker 1: it is at least a song. You probably heard it
Speaker 1: on the radio a couple times. It's gonna be cool, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was cool? Okay, So then what was your first
Speaker 1: song where you finally got to actually be okay, this
Speaker 1: thing has a shot. Was we were us, Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a that was a monster, Like that was your first
Speaker 1: real one and it was that big. I had a
Speaker 1: song on the song that always feels like my career
Speaker 1: kind of like it happened after this. Go ahead, you
Speaker 1: can talk I keep it low so we can talk
Speaker 1: over what was this song the Lady Annabelle Um cut
Speaker 1: of mine called it Ain't Pretty? I had that one
Speaker 1: right here here, so you thought this one myself fall
Speaker 1: it ain't pretty. It ain't pretty a heartbreak. So this
Speaker 1: was a cut before we were us. This was a
Speaker 1: cut before we rest. This was a song that It's
Speaker 1: funny because, like my publisher always says, you know, songsid
Speaker 1: different purposes, Nicole, and we all as writers, all we
Speaker 1: think is songs need to be hits or else we're
Speaker 1: not gonna have a job. But this song had a
Speaker 1: different purpose, which was to just make other people aware
Speaker 1: of me as a writer. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: wrote with me because they were like, who wrote that?
Speaker 1: I wrote this with Eric Pasley, one of my one
Speaker 1: of my best friends in the whole world. Everyone knew Eric,
Speaker 1: but then they were like, this is a female song.
Speaker 1: Who's the missing who's the new variable in this song?
Speaker 1: And so that that's that's how Shane mcinally became aware
Speaker 1: of me was he heard me play this at a
Speaker 1: Lady in a Bellum event and was like, you don't
Speaker 1: know me, but I can't believe that song. And so
Speaker 1: now we're like great friends. So so this was the
Speaker 1: first cut you It wasn't the first cut, but it
Speaker 1: was like the first legit thing like this night record
Speaker 1: was that on Golden So just god. So people hear
Speaker 1: this and start to go, hey, listen to the record,
Speaker 1: love that song? Who wrote it? And that's how they
Speaker 1: started track down like the new new sound songwriters. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess at least within our writing community, it was, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because it's like getting a cut like
Speaker 1: that is like when one artist validates you and says
Speaker 1: your song is worthy of my project, so many other
Speaker 1: artists feel more confident in cutting your songs. And I think,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just did an event with Lady
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago and I played that song
Speaker 1: and I was like, no one ever heard this song,
Speaker 1: But this song actually changed everything for me, um because
Speaker 1: it made other artists go, oh, what else are you writing?
Speaker 1: And you know, you have to see the long game.
Speaker 1: When you do what we do, you can't get can't
Speaker 1: put put all your eggs in any song's basket. You know,
Speaker 1: it just has to be like, well, if that was
Speaker 1: what that song's purpose was, then I have peace with
Speaker 1: that and write another one. I was wondering because I
Speaker 1: have a lot of songwriter friends and there you write
Speaker 1: a song and it takes forever for for it to
Speaker 1: come to fruition. So when you write the song, you
Speaker 1: don't go, well, we'll see that one next week or
Speaker 1: in a month. You kind of just write a bunch
Speaker 1: of songs and then just let them go about their day.
Speaker 1: You can almost forget about them, and you just keep writing.
Speaker 1: And then eventually after time somebody go come back and go, oh,
Speaker 1: over that song you wrote three months ago. This one's
Speaker 1: kind of been play. Is that somewhat right? Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think about it. My husband is used to be
Speaker 1: a farmer. He's a writer too, but I always use
Speaker 1: like the farming metaphor of like every day we just
Speaker 1: plant seeds and like then you look back and you
Speaker 1: like have this whole field of songs, and some of
Speaker 1: them grow and some of them don't, and you know,
Speaker 1: some of them you really have to like work hard
Speaker 1: for another. You know, they just kind of do their
Speaker 1: own thing. They have this they have a whole life
Speaker 1: of their own beyond what happens in the room. And
Speaker 1: that's like the most intriguing part of the business to
Speaker 1: me is like how certain songs go all the way
Speaker 1: around the world to get cut. You know, it's really humbling, honestly,
Speaker 1: because you go, I could have never orchestrated that. I
Speaker 1: could have never been smart enough or made that happen
Speaker 1: on a business front. That just happened on its own.
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Speaker 1: about this. Let's talk about we were Us. This was
Speaker 1: a monster. I mean, I don't think of songs in
Speaker 1: the past five years this, I mean, this is one
Speaker 1: of the bigger ones. So was it written as a duet?
Speaker 1: It was? There was another artist that we um had.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I never feel right saying who it is.
Speaker 1: Everybody always says you don't have to, but everybody always says,
Speaker 1: don't feel like you have to. There was another artist
Speaker 1: that there was just like a rumor that they were
Speaker 1: looking for a feature. It was a female artist and
Speaker 1: looking for a feature. And it was, to be quite honest,
Speaker 1: not as massive like not as you know at the time,
Speaker 1: that artist didn't have you know, hadn't had a song
Speaker 1: on the radio and years. Not a feature. What what
Speaker 1: do you mean? Not a feature? So Keith had the
Speaker 1: song already and they wanted to know it was written
Speaker 1: as a female song to feature a guy it and
Speaker 1: then um one of the one of my co I
Speaker 1: wrote this song with Jimmy Robins and John Knight, and
Speaker 1: one of my co writers, Jimmy Robbins his he was
Speaker 1: actually published by Keith, so Keith was getting to hear
Speaker 1: what he was writing before, but before anyone else ever
Speaker 1: heard it. So he heard it and then it never
Speaker 1: really actually made it to that other artist. So Keith
Speaker 1: was like, I'll take it. Actually, that's not true. He said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I have to have that song. In
Speaker 1: the meantime, we had already sent it off to the
Speaker 1: other artists camp and they came back and we're freaking
Speaker 1: out like, oh my gosh, we have to have this song,
Speaker 1: and we're like, I'm so sorry you can't now because
Speaker 1: Keith wants it. And that's always like a really that's
Speaker 1: what you dream of those situations as a writer, but it,
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of stunk. Did you have to
Speaker 1: have the conversation? Did you know the other artist well
Speaker 1: enough for I did eventually, Like I don't think I was.
Speaker 1: All of us were connected to this, to this girl,
Speaker 1: and we all love her and adore her. Um, but
Speaker 1: how could we tell Keith no it was his? He
Speaker 1: had technically owned the song, and are you kidding me? Like,
Speaker 1: are you freaking kidding me? Why would we ever tell him? No? Ever,
Speaker 1: Keith wants the song, gets the song, and then how
Speaker 1: does Miranda get on it? I don't remember. I feel like,
Speaker 1: there for a minute, there were other possibly like and
Speaker 1: he might remember I mean, he would obviously remember this
Speaker 1: better than I would because and I'm even hesitant to say,
Speaker 1: because all the information we get as songwriters is so third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth hand that who even knows? I mean, but I
Speaker 1: know there were other names that were thrown out in
Speaker 1: the process that we were told. Now whether they were
Speaker 1: like every legit in the running. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I actually, um, I actually remember writing the day that
Speaker 1: we wrote Automatic with Miranda. She was like, I sang
Speaker 1: the vocal on that song? What's going on with that song?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't know anything. We're just is that the first time
Speaker 1: you heard that she had sang the vocal on it?
Speaker 1: What she told you that? Um? I think she I
Speaker 1: knew that she had done the vocal, but it had
Speaker 1: been a minute, And in my mind, I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: no news is not always good news. You know, you
Speaker 1: want momentum, you want excitement, you want feedback, and I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard anything, and so I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: it didn't work. I don't know. Even Randon didn't know.
Speaker 1: It sounds like like I sang the vocal. What's happening
Speaker 1: with that? So she didn't even know at that point.
Speaker 1: Because and I can tell you like, I'm I'm pretty
Speaker 1: close to Keith and like, I know things he's cut
Speaker 1: right now with the other arts, and I know the
Speaker 1: other artists. I'm like, you know what, I don't know
Speaker 1: where It's kind of the same weird thing you would
Speaker 1: think everybody would be in on it, but it's really
Speaker 1: everybody really not well. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: cool because they are like you're I mean, I would
Speaker 1: think I'm not an artist per se, but I would
Speaker 1: think that you would want to be precious because information
Speaker 1: is I would say, like as songwriter is like information
Speaker 1: is currency, you know, like knowing all the songs that
Speaker 1: everyone's cut for their project, that you know that or
Speaker 1: who's looking for water. I mean, you'd be surprised just
Speaker 1: being close in proximity to an artist. What a heads
Speaker 1: up for you know, what a cut in line, I
Speaker 1: would say that is and getting cuts because you just
Speaker 1: take for granted that knowing the other things that are
Speaker 1: involved in the project really helps you. And so I
Speaker 1: think artists are they're smart, and that they're protectv of
Speaker 1: the information that surrounds their projects so that they can
Speaker 1: keep them precious. So tell me. Then you hear the song,
Speaker 1: it's Keith, it's Miranda, you know now it's Miranda and
Speaker 1: Carrie and then everybody else. So you get the biggest
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Keith Urban and the basically the
Speaker 1: biggest female country artist on the same song that you wrote.
Speaker 1: I mean, are you like okay, this is it? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's in my mind. How could it not be right? No,
Speaker 1: I did, and I and I I would think that
Speaker 1: just by who was singing it. But then when I
Speaker 1: heard it, I was so blown away by the production
Speaker 1: on it, and they suppose sing their butts off. I
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, that sounds amazing. I still when it
Speaker 1: comes on I still, I'm like, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: sounds so good. When do you get to hear it
Speaker 1: for the first time after it's all the way down
Speaker 1: in master sometimes like when it gets released iTunes, I
Speaker 1: mean wow. That to me, certain artists will have like
Speaker 1: a listening party or like um, hey, come out to
Speaker 1: my house and or come to come by a studio
Speaker 1: and we'll listen to the record. All the writers get
Speaker 1: to come, but you know, or if you're friends with
Speaker 1: the artists, they'll play something for you. But a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's not until it comes out of ice.
Speaker 1: That's crazy to me. We don't find out a lot
Speaker 1: of times if our song even made the record until
Speaker 1: the track listing goes up on iTunes. You know, we're
Speaker 1: just sitting there going, well, I got three cuts, but
Speaker 1: I have they recorded three of my songs. But I
Speaker 1: don't even know if I should tell my mom. She'll
Speaker 1: start asking me about it every day, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to let her down if they don't make it,
Speaker 1: or I don't want you know, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: so when what single was this off that record? It
Speaker 1: was second? I think, did you know it wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be the first single because it was a duet?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's it's kind of weird to release to do
Speaker 1: it as the first single. Well, we I feel like
Speaker 1: you're always told you have the first single. It always
Speaker 1: feels like when people get excited about a song of course,
Speaker 1: and our or you know, artists, I feel like someone
Speaker 1: along and maybe it's just a co writer wishfully thinking,
Speaker 1: but like I think this could be the first single.
Speaker 1: But I know those words I said that the and
Speaker 1: around I don't remember. That was like two babies ago,
Speaker 1: literally literally, so we were us hits. It's a smash
Speaker 1: and that changed the whole game for you, right, like
Speaker 1: even lifestyle like you can buy more food now. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this about me, but
Speaker 1: I'm married to another songwriter who has much more success
Speaker 1: than I've ever dreamed about having. Well, I dream about
Speaker 1: having it now, but you can say I know who
Speaker 1: it is. Well, I'm married to Rodney Clawson, um, and
Speaker 1: so technically i'm Nicole Clawson, but I'm Nicole guy In
Speaker 1: by day, and and so my motivation for you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not technically the breadwinner in the house as a writer,
Speaker 1: which is honestly such a gift as a creative because
Speaker 1: I feel like, like not, I don't have to. I
Speaker 1: can create out of a more pure place. I can
Speaker 1: write what I love, I can write what I would
Speaker 1: want to hear. And I'm I can actually strike out
Speaker 1: more times and swing for the fences because I'm not trying.
Speaker 1: It's not a utility bill to me. It's a passion.
Speaker 1: And I want to tell stories and I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that the art is right and that the
Speaker 1: artist gets to say what they want to say. And
Speaker 1: it's so free to get them, very very blessed and
Speaker 1: lucky to be in that position. So not for me,
Speaker 1: it wasn't ever about the money. I don't think that,
Speaker 1: do you. What's the dynamic with you and your husband
Speaker 1: when you write? Did you ever write together? So this
Speaker 1: year we've been married ten years? Wow? Um, we when
Speaker 1: we got engaged, we made a very very deliberate decision
Speaker 1: to not write together. Um. We had written, we tried
Speaker 1: to write a couple of times, UM, and it just
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we don't fight, but when we wrote,
Speaker 1: it was like the most tints that we ever were
Speaker 1: with each other. And the things that we wrote were
Speaker 1: not special. So we were like, we don't need to
Speaker 1: do that and on. And also he was very sweet
Speaker 1: and saying, I don't want anybody to think that you
Speaker 1: need me, because I know you don't. I know that
Speaker 1: you're awesome writer. And I had just signed a publishing
Speaker 1: dope not too long before that. So he's like, I
Speaker 1: just want to give you the gift of your own lane,
Speaker 1: and I wanted. I'm very independent, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want my own lane. And so we didn't write
Speaker 1: for nine and a half years and we just started
Speaker 1: writing about six months ago and we wrote two songs.
Speaker 1: Are you nervous the first time you going to write together?
Speaker 1: I was nervous. Um. I had felt it like a
Speaker 1: stirring for about a year, like I think we're going
Speaker 1: to do something together and I don't. And I was
Speaker 1: actually booked to write with them, with Ross Copperman and
Speaker 1: whoever the third person was like, had just like bailed
Speaker 1: on us, and Ross had been saying for a year,
Speaker 1: I want to be the first one to write with
Speaker 1: you and Rodney, and I think he I think it's
Speaker 1: a literal impression of Ross, by the way, I want
Speaker 1: to be the first one. Oh my gosh. And so
Speaker 1: I was like he was like Rodney and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll see and like and he showed up and the
Speaker 1: song actually got cut yeah, by a big artist, like
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out about. Okay, So it's still not out yet,
Speaker 1: it's not out, um, but it's it's like an artist
Speaker 1: that I could have never dreamed to have Blake No,
Speaker 1: mm hmm, Prince, No, it's in our mar but anyway,
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we're we're starting to join forces a
Speaker 1: little bit now. So let's talk about this one here
Speaker 1: and you can tell me if this urban legend is
Speaker 1: true or not. So you wrote automatic here even bigger,
Speaker 1: even bigger than than we were up. He wrote this
Speaker 1: with Natalie right Natalie him anybody and right now? And
Speaker 1: did you and Natalie meet on an airplane? So the
Speaker 1: story is dead? Who is were you scared to fly?
Speaker 1: Was she scared? Scared? Natalie scared to fly, and so
Speaker 1: you sat beside her and comfort did her. Well, I
Speaker 1: had just met her. I was just meeting her basically
Speaker 1: for the first time. I didn't even know. I had
Speaker 1: never heard her sing, had never heard a song she
Speaker 1: had written when we met. So I was she was
Speaker 1: just a girl on a plane to me. And did
Speaker 1: you know she was a songwriter? Though? Yeah, Actually Rodney
Speaker 1: had told me she's she used to like be in
Speaker 1: town and then she went to l A and now
Speaker 1: she's back. She's an incredible writer. And I was like, oh, cool,
Speaker 1: you know, really cool. I don't know what she's doing now.
Speaker 1: But so we just started talking and we just became
Speaker 1: fast friends. But we didn't we were friends first, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, and she had success like shortly thereafter
Speaker 1: she had some Miranda songs and and I didn't, and
Speaker 1: we just kind of didn't write for a really really
Speaker 1: long time. And then, um, just a few years. I
Speaker 1: guess it's probably like four years ago we were we Um.
Speaker 1: I had met ray Lynn and said I didn't have
Speaker 1: this girl that I think that you would really appreciate,
Speaker 1: and so we wrote. I was like, well, you write
Speaker 1: with her, and and so the three of me Natalie
Speaker 1: wrote a song called Golden Girls with Raylan, and we
Speaker 1: came out of that right and Natalie and I were like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we have to write more. Like there's
Speaker 1: something that's happening. Obviously Raylan and I have our thing,
Speaker 1: but like me and Natalie were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we have to write more. We went on to write
Speaker 1: five songs that you're total together, and all five of
Speaker 1: them were on Miranda's record. Yeah. So there was like
Speaker 1: this little magic, this lightning in a bottle moment for
Speaker 1: us as friends and co writers that year. But even
Speaker 1: since then, I mean, that's just somebody that like we'll
Speaker 1: be We'll be there when the other one dies, you know.
Speaker 1: So tell me about this song, Automatic like, where were you? Well? I, Um,
Speaker 1: I think i'd were we when we wrote it? So, um,
Speaker 1: we wrote this song in Miranda's at the time, Random
Speaker 1: Blake's condo in Nashville. Um. I had never written with
Speaker 1: Miranda before the only way that she knew of me
Speaker 1: was because um, of songs that I was writing with
Speaker 1: ray and Raylan was playing them from Miranda. Miranda is like, well,
Speaker 1: I know that you're kind of a new songwriter. Who
Speaker 1: are you writing these with? And so that's how she
Speaker 1: became kind of prippy to what I was doing. And
Speaker 1: then Natalie, I had our thing kind of going already,
Speaker 1: so I got pulled into write literally like a month
Speaker 1: after I just had a baby and I wasn't writing,
Speaker 1: like I swore I was going to take all this
Speaker 1: time off, and we were us hadn't come out on
Speaker 1: the radio yet, so I hadn't had a hit, and
Speaker 1: I was getting the opportunity to write with Miranda Lambert,
Speaker 1: which is any songwriters like a list of co writes,
Speaker 1: but especially for a female writer, because there's just things
Speaker 1: that you can say with Miranda that you for a
Speaker 1: Miranda project, that you could say nowhere else in town,
Speaker 1: especially at the time. You know, now we have other
Speaker 1: females that have really like gone there in their own way,
Speaker 1: but at the time, she was just she was like
Speaker 1: the dream co write. So I was obviously nervous and
Speaker 1: hired and had any born baby, and we walked in
Speaker 1: and we started talking about girls moving to Nashville wanting
Speaker 1: to get record deals. They've lived here for six minutes
Speaker 1: and they're like, why don't have a record deal yet?
Speaker 1: We don't have a record do it yet? And and
Speaker 1: you know, Miranda was kind of pouring her heart out,
Speaker 1: like don't they understand, like I've played a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty shows in the back of a van with a
Speaker 1: bunch of smelling guys for this many years before anything
Speaker 1: ever happened from me. And then we kind of started
Speaker 1: sharing our stories and that's kind of where the this
Speaker 1: song started to get written. But the night before, Natalie
Speaker 1: and I see like for a rite like that, Natalie
Speaker 1: and I would like, that's like a really big day,
Speaker 1: and Miranda's time still precious, Like we would have normally
Speaker 1: sat down and started three or four choruses or just
Speaker 1: something to just to come in really prepared, because these
Speaker 1: artists don't have very much time, you know, they have
Speaker 1: like a couple of hours and you gotta just like
Speaker 1: make the most of it and be ready. But her
Speaker 1: I just had a newborn baby, and she her daughter
Speaker 1: got sick or something, and so we were like on
Speaker 1: the phone at midnight the night before just like throwing
Speaker 1: out titles and concepts and um, we had the title automatic,
Speaker 1: but it was going to be a love song, like
Speaker 1: nothing about us and our love like came automatic, Like
Speaker 1: we've had to work for whatever it is. That we
Speaker 1: this love that we have, and when that conversation started happening,
Speaker 1: the whole thing shifted to then a story that Miranda
Speaker 1: told about Patty Loveless telling her about all these artists
Speaker 1: in the nineties taking like quarters in the bag when
Speaker 1: they were on their tour bus when they were on
Speaker 1: tour because they would pull the tour bus over and
Speaker 1: have to do all their radio phoners from payphones, and
Speaker 1: they always had all these quarters with them, which is
Speaker 1: something I would never even think happened, but of course
Speaker 1: it had happened that way, and so that's where recorder
Speaker 1: and payphone came from, which is the first line of
Speaker 1: the song, and then it just kind of wrote itself
Speaker 1: from there. The night before you write with Miranda, let's
Speaker 1: aside from you talking to Natalie even the week before.
Speaker 1: Is it like, I mean, I'm I'm a little nervous
Speaker 1: about this. It's crazy, it's freaking ran the Lambert like
Speaker 1: you do. You don't want to go on to look
Speaker 1: at a chomp Like is there that added pressure? Oh?
Speaker 1: For sure, I mean I would feel nervous going to
Speaker 1: write with Miranda tomorrow. I would feel pressure tomorrow. And
Speaker 1: this is like four or five years after that word.
Speaker 1: Now I've had I get to write with all the
Speaker 1: artists that I could ever dream of now, you know,
Speaker 1: but at that time that that was like a once
Speaker 1: in a lifetime for me. I'm like, this is like,
Speaker 1: we either get a good song or she's never written
Speaker 1: with me again. That's what I think. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: saying she's like that, but that's what how I take it.
Speaker 1: I gotta like deliver something, and so this song cleaned up.
Speaker 1: This is the biggest song that's not for me. That's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest songs. Again, you have two anthems here,
Speaker 1: but oddly ones we all have Rando in them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is it still fun to hear? Like? Is it cool
Speaker 1: to hear? Like? Still? Like it still makes you feel
Speaker 1: something and it's not numb because you've heard it so
Speaker 1: many times? No, I am A lot of songwriters are
Speaker 1: really jaded, and a lot of them like they can
Speaker 1: never they get caught up and then what's the next
Speaker 1: thing I'm going to do all the time and they
Speaker 1: can't even enjoy where they are. Like, I'm actually one
Speaker 1: of the most nostalgic people that I know, and I
Speaker 1: like it's fun. No, it's and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: like a coincidence that both of those songs are looking
Speaker 1: back songs, because that's like my heart and anytime something awesome,
Speaker 1: like when I hear that I'm seventeen and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like a girl in my hometown is
Speaker 1: listening to this song right now, I can't. Just like
Speaker 1: that's how I process it. I mean, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm seventeen. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I got here. That's how that's my perspective. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how old I get or how many opportunities I get.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, how did this happen to me? You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm not like the biggest songwriter in town by
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination, but I just can't. I'm
Speaker 1: always in awe every time it comes on. So I
Speaker 1: want to play this one here. I played this one
Speaker 1: Where's Raylan Love Triangle, And I've said something here. I
Speaker 1: felt like this song got jobs. I feel like this
Speaker 1: song got and if it had been a dude singing it,
Speaker 1: it's a number one song, Like really, I there'd have
Speaker 1: been this has been a dude singing this song, it's
Speaker 1: a number one Sonny, I've never even thought about it
Speaker 1: as a never considered that as a guy like that
Speaker 1: that would even be an option. Two things. One, it's
Speaker 1: it's tougher for women right now because labels stopped building
Speaker 1: the farm system first of all, when it was all
Speaker 1: dudes all the time. They stop even cultivating from the
Speaker 1: bottom of building females to even get to radio. So
Speaker 1: radio is kind of waiting on the minor leagues to
Speaker 1: give us these artists. But record I was just stopped
Speaker 1: making females a priority. So here we are again and
Speaker 1: radio struggling to find these females to put on, and
Speaker 1: it's harder and harder to find them. And ballads are
Speaker 1: hard because everybody so a d D and if something
Speaker 1: slow on the radio, like you research goes. If something slow, boom,
Speaker 1: they change it because it's like again, it's a female
Speaker 1: and it's a Baladi song. If it had been a male,
Speaker 1: it would have been it had been a hit because
Speaker 1: it's such a good song. And that's not even a
Speaker 1: dig at ray Ln. It's the opposite. Raylan can sing
Speaker 1: her brains out and she sings it wonderfully, and I
Speaker 1: just felt like it was such a good song and
Speaker 1: I saw a couple weeks ago, whenever they stopped promoting,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that sucks, because any other scenario
Speaker 1: you give it to a dude, and that's probably man.
Speaker 1: I've never even thought, I guess I've just been so
Speaker 1: wrapped up in that as her that's her story, that
Speaker 1: I never thought of it as a song that from
Speaker 1: even a pitching standpoint of who could sing it and
Speaker 1: and what would it be if someone else did it?
Speaker 1: And to me, it wasn't even a pitching thing. It
Speaker 1: was just that so good. I think that people and
Speaker 1: I get I'm on the radio, but I'm still so
Speaker 1: anti the establishment of radio that I think you have
Speaker 1: a lot of program directors that are like, well, it's
Speaker 1: slow and it's female. It's got two strikes against it already,
Speaker 1: so as soon as there's a bomb, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and pull out of it. What's so crazy, though,
Speaker 1: is like those are the songs that, when they do
Speaker 1: get through, they are song of the year. They're the
Speaker 1: songs that are industry puts on a pedestal in such
Speaker 1: a highway. So it's it's like you've got to swing
Speaker 1: for the fences occasionally, noting like not every day, am
Speaker 1: I gonna be willing to write. I'm not gonna write
Speaker 1: a hundred songs a year about divorce and ballads for girls,
Speaker 1: you know. But when the song presents itself, you owe
Speaker 1: it to the idea, and you owe it to the
Speaker 1: artist and the to to make it the best that
Speaker 1: it can be, even if it doesn't make sense, for
Speaker 1: even if radio doesn't understand. Well, I just want to
Speaker 1: say I love the song. I always love the song.
Speaker 1: I loved it from the first time I heard. I
Speaker 1: was like, holy cow, that song like speaks to people,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think a lot of people understand it,
Speaker 1: and I just felt happy for it whenever they quit
Speaker 1: on it. And it wasn't even their fault for quitting
Speaker 1: on it, because it was people wouldn't they weren't playing it,
Speaker 1: and it two strikes again, one strike could be in
Speaker 1: a ballot. I think it would have made it. The
Speaker 1: feedback that I had heard kind of through label people
Speaker 1: and was interesting, was like certain markets. It was like
Speaker 1: one of the highest researching in Nashville. It was testing
Speaker 1: like great, like I can tell you here because I
Speaker 1: see I see all the research, right, I'm lucky enough
Speaker 1: to see national research in Nashville, it was one of
Speaker 1: the best songs that we had like to play, and
Speaker 1: then in other markets it was like the worst one
Speaker 1: of the at the bottom of in the research. And
Speaker 1: I just that's always so like it makes my brain
Speaker 1: turn of like, what culturally is different between Nashville and
Speaker 1: San Diego? You know what I mean? Is it the
Speaker 1: real answer? At least my We all have different perspectives.
Speaker 1: And again, I have a radio show. I'm not in
Speaker 1: the programming of picking songs, but I'm involved and I
Speaker 1: get to see a lot of stuff and I get
Speaker 1: a champion artist, which is a fun thing for me.
Speaker 1: But a lot of it is just the timing and
Speaker 1: what lucky group you get to do the research, Like really,
Speaker 1: that's it. There are songs. I give you an example
Speaker 1: either probably kill We were talking about this. My church
Speaker 1: tested terribly forever for many more terribly. We had to
Speaker 1: sit on it and continue to play, play, played, play,
Speaker 1: play as it tested horribly, just because we knew that
Speaker 1: you couldn't listen to that song and go this is
Speaker 1: an amazing song. I remember sitting in a meeting because
Speaker 1: I have a wall here and and this is just
Speaker 1: a wall of people that I've been really close to everybody,
Speaker 1: from Eric who is one of my closest friends, to
Speaker 1: Keith to man. It's people that I would bring in
Speaker 1: before they've been record deals. And I was so I
Speaker 1: say this with full like the truth that like I
Speaker 1: was a huge Marin fan. So I wanted to succeed
Speaker 1: as well, just personally and selfishly because I thought, and
Speaker 1: I think Marion is awesome, but I would this song
Speaker 1: was selling like crazy one and two. It was just
Speaker 1: an awesome song. And so sometimes ears are over brain
Speaker 1: whenever you're just seeing data and we just hung. I
Speaker 1: wish people would have just hung with this song. We
Speaker 1: just couldn't get enough people to hang because there was
Speaker 1: a fight. There really was a fight, Like this is
Speaker 1: a song. We just couldn't get enough old middle aged
Speaker 1: white men to go. Let's keep playing it, okay, all
Speaker 1: the music, yeah, a k A. Every program to write.
Speaker 1: Some of them were some of them were fight But
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know that because I'm on
Speaker 1: the inside A fantastic thank you. I appreciate that information
Speaker 1: because I you know, I think that song like really
Speaker 1: helped um show the evolution, you know, like as I
Speaker 1: said earlier, like the purposes of songs that helps rebrand her,
Speaker 1: you know, and show her evolve into something new, and
Speaker 1: hopefully that will just be, if nothing else, a gateway
Speaker 1: into who she is now. You know, you wrote a
Speaker 1: lot with her on her last record, which is Wild Horse,
Speaker 1: Wild Horsey. Um, how many songs did? I had eight
Speaker 1: songs on there? So you guys just sat and wrote
Speaker 1: Did you write purposely to write a record with her? No,
Speaker 1: it just happened. But it happened like three or four
Speaker 1: years ago. It happened around the time that I told you,
Speaker 1: like Miranda started hearing songs I was writing. We wrote
Speaker 1: all those songs I love Triangle. Those songs are four
Speaker 1: years old. We wrote like probably eight of her record,
Speaker 1: me and Jimmy Robbins and and Ray like and probably
Speaker 1: a nine month period. We just kind of had that.
Speaker 1: There was like a season where we all just kind
Speaker 1: of clicked and and I think it started to feel
Speaker 1: like an album to us then. But we didn't know
Speaker 1: that it would be three or four years before she
Speaker 1: would get a real shot and and really get to
Speaker 1: put it out as is. And then we ended up
Speaker 1: co producing it. I don't know if you know that,
Speaker 1: but I actually got to co produce the record, which
Speaker 1: when was the last time a female ever got to
Speaker 1: co produce anything. So I'm super proud of a lot
Speaker 1: of things beyond radio success with that with that project.
Speaker 1: For me, from my standpoint, how did you guys become friends?
Speaker 1: Because I was on the voice with her the same year? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just what season was that? Season? Two? Yeah? And well
Speaker 1: I left addle. There's a there are a lot of
Speaker 1: gaps in the story, which you know, which we've jumped around,
Speaker 1: but like if you heard it all chronologically, it would
Speaker 1: make sense. But you know, I had had a publish
Speaker 1: deal for probably three or four or five years at
Speaker 1: that point, was having any success, and I kept getting
Speaker 1: feedback from like A and R at labels when they'd
Speaker 1: pitched my songs, they'd be like, Oh, that's in a
Speaker 1: cool song. That's in a cool song. And I was
Speaker 1: getting to be a better singer because I was singing
Speaker 1: every day and I had gotten the bravery to do it,
Speaker 1: you know, and and I was recording and this like
Speaker 1: I got I was so late to the game. All
Speaker 1: these girls grew up making demos in the studio when
Speaker 1: they're twelve, and I was like learning it like twenty three.
Speaker 1: How to do this, and um, so I was kind
Speaker 1: of like, well, screw it, I'm not getting nobody's cutting
Speaker 1: my songs. Maybe I'm supposed to make a record and
Speaker 1: because and it. But it was never like I want
Speaker 1: to perform. I want to sing. I told my songs
Speaker 1: out there. So I kind of was working with a
Speaker 1: manager for a minute, trying to get my house in
Speaker 1: order to approach labels, and then this manager sits me
Speaker 1: down and it's like, you're not an artist. You're never
Speaker 1: going to be an artist. You're going to be a
Speaker 1: successful songwriter, but you're not an artist. But through that process,
Speaker 1: people had started to brand me more as like a
Speaker 1: girl that wanted a record deal. And so I got
Speaker 1: referred to try out for the voice and the ringer
Speaker 1: kind of that friends that have been ringers on this show.
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of friends that have been like
Speaker 1: they recruit said ringer. Yeah, well it was so early
Speaker 1: on it wasn't quite as strategic as it probably is
Speaker 1: now because it was so fresh the show that season
Speaker 1: was kind of just ending and they were like, well,
Speaker 1: the show is blowing up, like would you want to
Speaker 1: do this? And it was it was like the perfect
Speaker 1: time to get to do it, you know. But I
Speaker 1: didn't make it very far. I didn't. I was only
Speaker 1: on a couple episodes. But I had actually written with
Speaker 1: ray this girl Rachel Woodward at the time two days
Speaker 1: before that audition, not the one that you see on TV,
Speaker 1: but like the audition to like to sing here in Nashville,
Speaker 1: like the preferred kind of thing. And and I met
Speaker 1: her and I was like, are you in town this week?
Speaker 1: Because at the time, she's like sixteen, And I was like,
Speaker 1: are you in town by chance? Because you're trying out
Speaker 1: for the voice? And she's like no, And I was like,
Speaker 1: you have to do it. You are made for TV. Wait,
Speaker 1: so you convinced raight Lynn to the voice? And I
Speaker 1: met her before she was ray Lynn and told her
Speaker 1: to try it for the voice. We both ended up
Speaker 1: trying out and made it it. And then I was
Speaker 1: kind of like like while we were on the show, um,
Speaker 1: she was a minor, and so like during production, like
Speaker 1: she always had to have a parent with her, and
Speaker 1: so like there would be days that like her mom
Speaker 1: flew out in the morning and then her dad didn't
Speaker 1: get there until the night. So production would call and say, hey,
Speaker 1: ray wants to go to the mall. We can't leave.
Speaker 1: What could she hang with you today? I was like
Speaker 1: her big sister slash mom, and so you know, and
Speaker 1: we just I don't know. I just um to be honest,
Speaker 1: I think I was becoming like a mother. I think
Speaker 1: I was kind of getting the bug to be a
Speaker 1: mom myself. And she was like a little kid and
Speaker 1: so cuddly and just she just has this childlike thing
Speaker 1: about her. And I was like, I took her under
Speaker 1: my wing and we just had this bond. So when
Speaker 1: we came back from filming the show before it before
Speaker 1: it started airing on TV, I knew that she was
Speaker 1: like a front runner, and I knew that Blake and
Speaker 1: Miranda had basically adopted her. And I was like, we
Speaker 1: need to write, Like you need to be writing right
Speaker 1: now because you need to have songs before you get
Speaker 1: a record deal and before like when you walk in
Speaker 1: you need to have as much to say before they
Speaker 1: tell you what say. So I was just writing with her,
Speaker 1: and that's where I was like, Hey, Natalie, I got
Speaker 1: this girl. So if you go back into my story,
Speaker 1: you take out the voice, everything is different from me.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I wouldn't have found some success eventually,
Speaker 1: but the voice has nothing to do with songwriting, and
Speaker 1: it literally is one of the most crucial parts of
Speaker 1: my story. It's still insane to me because the ray,
Speaker 1: because of Natalie, because of morn that Domino all the
Speaker 1: way through. Very odd because the voice was the butterfly
Speaker 1: in your butterfly effect. It was when I came back
Speaker 1: from that show, everything started clicking, even outside of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we've talked about, Like, I was like a
Speaker 1: different writer. It's so weird. How far did you get?
Speaker 1: I had lost in the battle rounds? Do you have
Speaker 1: to get in the boxing ring and saying it's somebody, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the battle round thing. I don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: seen a bunch of the voice, but I have friends
Speaker 1: that this is a funny side voice, that side side
Speaker 1: thing on the voice that had their own part of
Speaker 1: the show, right, and they were they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: and I won't say who it is, but um they said.
Speaker 1: They were given the option of do you want to
Speaker 1: own part of the TV show or do you want
Speaker 1: to own the contracts of the artists that come after
Speaker 1: the show as they go and uh, you know, pursue
Speaker 1: music careers, And they chose the artists. Man, I know,
Speaker 1: that's the same thing they did. They were like, what
Speaker 1: a terrible decision. They were like, we made the worst
Speaker 1: decision ever. They said, we could have taken the chairs,
Speaker 1: and this is no slight ca Cassidy or or Ray
Speaker 1: or any of these girls who later It took a minute,
Speaker 1: but they were like, we could toward the chairs, and
Speaker 1: they would have toward better because even I don't because
Speaker 1: even Idol was losing their star power. It was becoming
Speaker 1: more of a TV show than it was let's produce
Speaker 1: somebody that America is going to consume. It's more of
Speaker 1: a TV show. So um, they don't have the infrastructure
Speaker 1: and they never have on that show to do to
Speaker 1: work with artists. They've never had a label involved, like
Speaker 1: you know, like they have had labels involved, but it
Speaker 1: hasn't been in house like the infrastructure on Idol is there.
Speaker 1: They it's like a similar line. They know what to do,
Speaker 1: you know. There the voice feels so much more TV,
Speaker 1: but yet it also feels a lot more from my taste,
Speaker 1: a lot more authentic to an artist than maybe being
Speaker 1: on an Idol. Maybe I'm going to hate myself for
Speaker 1: saying that tomorrow, but I have friends have been on both,
Speaker 1: and I think the two of them and they I
Speaker 1: think they both say the same thing. I can only
Speaker 1: say that from experience the short time that I was there,
Speaker 1: where I felt like I was treated like an artist,
Speaker 1: not a contestant on a game show, whereas I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are on reality TV shows
Speaker 1: sometimes come away feeling like I'm not even a person,
Speaker 1: I'm just like a casting here. They lock you away
Speaker 1: for a long time. No, no, oh, they do now,
Speaker 1: they lock you away for a long time. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: they do if you win, but I was like, free
Speaker 1: and clear. They lock you away now, like I have
Speaker 1: a buddy, even if you don't do well, and they
Speaker 1: lock away before the traven starts if you're one of
Speaker 1: the select. Because I have a friend, a guy friend
Speaker 1: who ended up being in the top fine like being
Speaker 1: and even before he went on the show, they put
Speaker 1: him a hotel for months before the show even started.
Speaker 1: And so but again, it's become bigger, it's become more
Speaker 1: of a thing. Who knows she's a one two? Season three?
Speaker 1: If it's really going to become a thing, who did
Speaker 1: you lose to in the battle on do you remember
Speaker 1: this girl? Named this really sweet girl who was in
Speaker 1: She was the nursing student from such and such Mattai.
Speaker 1: Her name was Mattie and she was precious. And what
Speaker 1: do you sing? We sang um Sarah Barella's love song,
Speaker 1: which when I was given that song because I was
Speaker 1: on team Adam, Um, why did you? I didn't choose
Speaker 1: he chose me and he was the only person that
Speaker 1: his chair is only one that turned for you? Adam was, yeah,
Speaker 1: were you disappointed that Blake's chair didn't turn? Or were
Speaker 1: you just looking for any chair to turn? I can
Speaker 1: you cuss on the ship? I was so scared shitless
Speaker 1: to do it that I was like, I was doing
Speaker 1: that just I said yes, I would go to this
Speaker 1: first tryout so that I could have peace that I
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to do it, because that's how I am.
Speaker 1: I'm could just just say yes, and it's worked for
Speaker 1: me long term. When I really look back, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to go fail at a bunch of things. It's okay,
Speaker 1: that doesn't affect me. So I was willing to go
Speaker 1: try this thing that scared me so much, but I
Speaker 1: kept making it and they made me like so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh God, now I'm singing for Oh God,
Speaker 1: now I'm singing for Carson. Oh I'm getting really close.
Speaker 1: Now I gotta really do this. Now, I've like signed paperwork.
Speaker 1: So when I went out, I was like, I just
Speaker 1: have to get through it. That was my thing. I
Speaker 1: can't cry, like like honestly, I was so scared. I
Speaker 1: hate performing. That's another reason I'm never going to be
Speaker 1: an artist, or was never gonna be. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that I'm a great live singer. I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I had just come off that manager telling me
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be an artist, and probably for that
Speaker 1: reason because I'm not good at performing live with a
Speaker 1: band and stuff. So having to go out on live
Speaker 1: TV in my mind and my weird sick minds like, well,
Speaker 1: that's no better way to figure out if you got
Speaker 1: what it takes, and I go do it on national television.
Speaker 1: But I never thought I would make it. I still
Speaker 1: never thought i'd do it. I mean, so when he
Speaker 1: hit the button, I think I came back from that
Speaker 1: whole experience because he hit the button as like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, if that can happen, anything can happen. That
Speaker 1: goes to show how little faith I had that I
Speaker 1: would actually make the show. So when I made the show,
Speaker 1: I was like, I can totally write songs. It's while
Speaker 1: that that turned into writing automatic, because can we look
Speaker 1: back at a lot of things in our life and
Speaker 1: how we got here, like you going okay and then
Speaker 1: telling her she should go on the show, and then
Speaker 1: you two writing together, and then the next thing, you
Speaker 1: know this, that's such a magical, such a magical chapter
Speaker 1: in my life. When I looked back on it, it's
Speaker 1: really humbling. Because do you think that any anybody's smart
Speaker 1: enough to try to write their own story like that?
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of impossible to do to write
Speaker 1: your own story. Okay, okay, let me talk about this
Speaker 1: because I think you're on the verge of another one here,
Speaker 1: this song that you wrote for Lee Bryce Boy, So
Speaker 1: tell me about soon. Did you write this with? I
Speaker 1: wrote this with John Knight, who also write We Arrest
Speaker 1: with just You're gonna dry the kids parts rob way
Speaker 1: too fast. You're gonna drop the ball, get the all
Speaker 1: and pring some hard to that class. I know you will. Did.
Speaker 1: You're a part of me and a part of you
Speaker 1: who will always be boy. So tell me about this
Speaker 1: one here? Because it's this right now, this is a
Speaker 1: big buy song. It's like, yeah, it is, well it
Speaker 1: is in my world, but that's just because I'm my
Speaker 1: cousins are calling me about it. I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1: Um uh. Last song I wrote before I had my son,
Speaker 1: when did you know it was going to be a son?
Speaker 1: So I knew I was having a boy. Um, And
Speaker 1: I was writing with John Night that day is my
Speaker 1: last day on the books. I was not thirty nine
Speaker 1: weeks pregnant. I was huge, and I had like I
Speaker 1: kept throwing out ideas and John was like, no, that's
Speaker 1: not I don't like that at no, no, no, and
Speaker 1: he was like, you know what, I think. He was
Speaker 1: kind of like, Nicole doesn't really have any good ideas today.
Speaker 1: You know what, we should just do no pressure. We
Speaker 1: should just write a song for your son, like because
Speaker 1: John has a son at the time, he had a
Speaker 1: two year old son, and and so we just wrote that.
Speaker 1: I mean we both were bawling. And then the craziest
Speaker 1: part of the whole thing to me, but that song
Speaker 1: is two weeks later the A c M s were on.
Speaker 1: I had my son like a week later, ten days later,
Speaker 1: four days after I had my son. We win Song
Speaker 1: of the Year at the a c M S for
Speaker 1: Automatic and I can't be there to win Song of
Speaker 1: the Year because I had just had this boy, and
Speaker 1: so now it's like I hate to even say it
Speaker 1: out loud, but everyone's like texting me going like, so yeah,
Speaker 1: a song of your material and I'm like, how I'm
Speaker 1: only going to say because I want to put it
Speaker 1: out in the universe, but like, how amazing would it
Speaker 1: be to be nominated for Song of the Year and
Speaker 1: like get to take my sons my date. The guy
Speaker 1: that kept me from you know, because that that year
Speaker 1: at the SAMs was like a Texas when it was
Speaker 1: like the Guinness's million people there anniversary doesn't get it.
Speaker 1: You can't think, You can't dream of the bigger moment
Speaker 1: for a songwriter. And I wasn't there, you know, because
Speaker 1: of my son. So this is like my this is
Speaker 1: my like come back. Well, congratulations on that song, because
Speaker 1: right now it's the song that everybody's tweeting and talking
Speaker 1: about and texting about it, and you know how it's
Speaker 1: who knows, there's no it could do love Triangle. You know.
Speaker 1: If Lee Bray sang love Triangle, that's a hit man,
Speaker 1: I know, and again not slightly toward Raylan at all.
Speaker 1: It's just tough to be a female and have a ballot.
Speaker 1: It won't be. It's better than it was a year ago,
Speaker 1: and in a year it's going to be even better
Speaker 1: than it is now. But there just is no farm system.
Speaker 1: There is now starting to come back with female talent
Speaker 1: because they just abandoned it. They were just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, this is what was paying the bills right now,
Speaker 1: Let's just have more sounds like this. Yes, and it's
Speaker 1: nobody's fault. When somebody does something successful, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: replicate it, and they also want to have success and
Speaker 1: make money bottom line quarter a quarter, a quarter, um so.
Speaker 1: But yes, I think it's just such a love trying
Speaker 1: out such a good song. I hated seeing that one.
Speaker 1: Go let me see what other do I like? What
Speaker 1: are the songs do I like here? That? Ever? First
Speaker 1: of all Halloween from Walker, which we talked about earlier. Like,
Speaker 1: I'll just brag on him as much as we can.
Speaker 1: I can't brag on him anymore. We've been on the
Speaker 1: road together five months after I listened to that his
Speaker 1: record more than any other record last year period, but
Speaker 1: I can't. Whenever it was like, hey, you should have you,
Speaker 1: I was like, I know her from something other than
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember what it was, but it was having
Speaker 1: the song and seeing your name scrolling across the screen
Speaker 1: so many times when I'm listening to so flatter. When
Speaker 1: he kept me on it and he said he's gonna
Speaker 1: put it up, I mean, and I know he hasn't
Speaker 1: like put out his record record yet, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're going to find somebody amazing, but and I'm excited
Speaker 1: about up, but like, there's just something magical about that
Speaker 1: little demo to me. It's a demo, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a shot shot song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's such a like there's an Australian girl that that
Speaker 1: I know well. And she opened and then Walker's the
Speaker 1: feature music performer. Then I do stand up for an hour.
Speaker 1: We just finished Walker did where Carly Pearce is going
Speaker 1: to do it for now for the next four months.
Speaker 1: But Walker has been the guy and so I remember
Speaker 1: the first day the tore Walker asks Nikita Carmen, who's
Speaker 1: an Australian singer songwriter. He goes, hey, um, I do
Speaker 1: a song called Halloween do you show? I know every
Speaker 1: word of it? And I was like, wow, you know what,
Speaker 1: Like there, Walker's awesome. This song is awesome. So he
Speaker 1: had that idea, that concept sessed out way a lot
Speaker 1: of it sessed out when I walked down that day.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just I would love to see what
Speaker 1: his brain looks like. Yeah, it's crazy how it works.
Speaker 1: Here's a funny, embarrassing story and a humble bragg At
Speaker 1: the same time, Walker and I were in Which Tall
Speaker 1: We did two shows at the or film in which
Speaker 1: it talks. We did two nights, and so I text
Speaker 1: him because we were gonna write on that Saturday. We
Speaker 1: got into Friday night, and so we had all day
Speaker 1: Saturday in the same town. And rarely do we need
Speaker 1: two shows in the same place, but it's we told
Speaker 1: at theater both nights. So we were like, we just stayed.
Speaker 1: So I sent him to Texas, Hey, do you still
Speaker 1: want to write? And get a message back? And then
Speaker 1: I finally got a message back It's like yeah when
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is why would Walker say win?
Speaker 1: We're like four hotel rooms down from each other. And
Speaker 1: so I look and actually texted Clay Walker not Walker
Speaker 1: has and then and then, and to me, I kind
Speaker 1: of nerd out Clay Walker because when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: that's what I listened to on the radio, nineties Country
Speaker 1: is Life. Yes, And so I was like, Clay, sorry, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm in Kansas with a Walker. We were gonna write today,
Speaker 1: And so I text Walker and I was like, every
Speaker 1: that was kind of embarrassing, but still who gets who
Speaker 1: has Walker's and Clay Walker on their phones? And like
Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool life. No, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: that's an awesome story that you should never forget. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty cool alive And so now yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: cool and Walker's Yeah, whatever, we can talk about Walker forever.
Speaker 1: I want to play some more stuff here. Um, how
Speaker 1: about Because I'm just big fans of some of these people.
Speaker 1: For example, one of the first ever one of these
Speaker 1: that I did, when I start talking about songwriters, even
Speaker 1: before Ryan Heard had his project out, I was like, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you have to come up because I'm just a fan
Speaker 1: of Ryan as a person and I love his songwriting
Speaker 1: and now I love his music that he's put out.
Speaker 1: But you guys will hold you back, Yeah a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Him that well, we actually just wrote
Speaker 1: the other day. It's like probably the first time we
Speaker 1: had written since we wrote that song. Um, he is
Speaker 1: so talented. He's one with the university is he is.
Speaker 1: It's such a It's always whiplash for me because I
Speaker 1: go from like my domestic mom world and then I
Speaker 1: walk in. I'm like, here's a rock star. You know.
Speaker 1: He just has that presence about it. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's so cool. Yeah, we get you, kiss you good back.
Speaker 1: Someone a band that I've been fronts with for a
Speaker 1: long time, back when I lived in Texas and before
Speaker 1: they kind of did the Nashville thing was Mike Eli
Speaker 1: Eli Young Best. You guys throw this one saltwater gospel,
Speaker 1: so good about that song would be better? You know,
Speaker 1: those guys have a It's a weird thing for Texas artists.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you firsthand because I still live
Speaker 1: in Texas part tim like I live in Austin's. I
Speaker 1: love Austin, like God, no better place. I got lucky
Speaker 1: that Austin and Nashville the two cities that I get
Speaker 1: to live and working like they're the best. And so
Speaker 1: with the Texas artist here's the weird thing, like any
Speaker 1: Texas artists that tries for mainstream success gets screamed abt
Speaker 1: sell out, sell out, so that there's like this weird
Speaker 1: thing where they and I'm talking about Eli Young band specifically,
Speaker 1: but where they have to like cater back to the
Speaker 1: Texas country while going I'm not a sell loud, I'm
Speaker 1: still doing all the same red dirt stuff, and it
Speaker 1: does impair them a bit. It's um, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not from Texas, but growing up in Kansas, all those
Speaker 1: Texas bands when I was in high school, that's what
Speaker 1: all my that's what all my friends listened to. The
Speaker 1: Pat Green and the Jason Bullan Cross Canadian Red like
Speaker 1: ccr A. I mean, there's so many of them, and
Speaker 1: I I kind of got to know Pat a little
Speaker 1: bit after I moved here, like and then I was
Speaker 1: like I was totally you know, seventeen again, like fan fan,
Speaker 1: growing out and just watching that happened with Wave on
Speaker 1: Wave and like what that did for him and didn't
Speaker 1: do for him, you know, it just it helped him
Speaker 1: and hurt him at the same time. I remember what
Speaker 1: happening because Pat Green was Texas still and he is
Speaker 1: and he still is, and we just have pat On
Speaker 1: the radio show Texas all the time, and I was
Speaker 1: doing Tough for You at time, but I would have
Speaker 1: pad On and you know Eli Young and Dirk's. I
Speaker 1: was a country fan and I would put these country
Speaker 1: artists on a national syndicated pop shure. That's why ended
Speaker 1: up be doing country because it was just better for me.
Speaker 1: But when wave on wave of hit, everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what a sell out, and it's like, no, what a
Speaker 1: sell out me? And you get to put more music
Speaker 1: out for more people. I feel bad for guys like
Speaker 1: Granger because here's Granger, the best guy, just just a
Speaker 1: phenomenal guy, still lives in Texas, and people like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's sell out. He's got a record deal. We got
Speaker 1: a record deal. It's not selling out. If you want
Speaker 1: to have a nicer life, you can still remain true,
Speaker 1: like I will always be an Arkansas razorback like in
Speaker 1: my blood. But you know I live in Nashville right now.
Speaker 1: That does mean I'm not an Arkansas razorback. You can bother.
Speaker 1: That part really bothers me because I love Texas and
Speaker 1: I love the people, and I have so many friends
Speaker 1: that do Texas country, but they there's an alienation at
Speaker 1: times where it's like some some of the artists like, well,
Speaker 1: if you like the natural artist, then you're not one
Speaker 1: of us. And it's why some of the arts do
Speaker 1: only want tor in Texas because they feel like everybody
Speaker 1: hates them. It's weird. Yeah, it's like two steps forward,
Speaker 1: one step back, or even one step forward two steps
Speaker 1: back on that stuff. So guys like Eli young Man
Speaker 1: make it. You're like, man, that's awesome because then they
Speaker 1: got there, they kept kept their Texas, got their Nashville,
Speaker 1: and I thought it would do it too, But they
Speaker 1: just have this two sides that are just pulling from
Speaker 1: both directions where I kind of felt bad for them.
Speaker 1: So I agree with that. I love the song would
Speaker 1: do better too that, but again I can't predict it.
Speaker 1: So let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see. Let
Speaker 1: me do one more. How about I think it's don
Speaker 1: gonna take a home hear? How'd you get in the
Speaker 1: lady a camp because of it ain't pretty? Um probably
Speaker 1: I don't actually remember. Actually, oh so my publisher. They
Speaker 1: were published by the same publisher that I was, um
Speaker 1: years ago. I've been at Warner Chapel the whole time.
Speaker 1: But they they were there and then they left. Now
Speaker 1: they're back. Um, but they kind of pitched a lot
Speaker 1: of my songs because we're all in the family together,
Speaker 1: and that's how it Ain't Pretty happened. But now I'm
Speaker 1: like super good friends with all of them, like family friends,
Speaker 1: Like they come over to our house for Halloween and
Speaker 1: our kids play that kind of thing. Um. In fact,
Speaker 1: when I play Heartbreak in my car, like my daughter's like,
Speaker 1: oh you wrote that with Easley's mommy. You know. It's
Speaker 1: that's my dynamic with them now. Um. And what's interesting
Speaker 1: is I thought it Ain't Pretty was going to be
Speaker 1: my first big hit, and it wasn't. And then right
Speaker 1: after that he asked about like the dynamic between Rodney
Speaker 1: and I. Rodney went out and wrote with them for
Speaker 1: the first time and wrote Bartender and he got The
Speaker 1: Big Lady a single, and um, I remember thinking, damn,
Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna get it, then I guess I
Speaker 1: guess I want you to get it, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's my consolation prizes again, as all the Dodts are connecting,
Speaker 1: you and Eric wrote it Ain't Pretty. Eric wrote Friday Night,
Speaker 1: which was on their record, which they did not cut
Speaker 1: as a single, and Eric said, hey, you might if
Speaker 1: I have it back, got it back cut it went
Speaker 1: number one. I mean, the whole world was weird and
Speaker 1: crazy and awesome and awful and amazing and terrible and
Speaker 1: you just never know. Son, It's all a long game,
Speaker 1: you know. You can't, like I said, you can't get
Speaker 1: one little disappointment dictate anything about your future. You just
Speaker 1: have to keep moving and keep writing more. Who'd you
Speaker 1: write with today? Do? Right? Today? Today? I wrote with
Speaker 1: Um Josh Kerr and Cassie Ashton. Cassie's this Girl that's
Speaker 1: on signed to Bethan Luke Laird's company, Creative Nation. We
Speaker 1: wrote a song called Wedding Cake and that girl is
Speaker 1: so much fun. Really, I know josh ka really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he played guitar on the road with this for
Speaker 1: a long time and I'm on Black River. Oh yeah
Speaker 1: that's right. So yeah, so we wrote, we wrote, and
Speaker 1: then Cassie left, and then this other amazing artist named
Speaker 1: Emily Wiseman came in and we had to tweak another
Speaker 1: song UM that we had written with. So Emily's his
Speaker 1: girlfriend right now? Yeah, I was like another amazing artist,
Speaker 1: like the Emily's girlfriend. Everybody knows that. I guess. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's out there. Yeah, oh yeah, I mean their Instagram
Speaker 1: shows it. By the way, you don't have Twitter, which
Speaker 1: is weird. Why how can you look don't I would
Speaker 1: get news in no other way. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think I just um, I think it was a minute
Speaker 1: when I had a like, had a log in issue
Speaker 1: for some reason. Quit and I was just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I love Instagram so much, and I love
Speaker 1: taking pictures like like I was the yearbook editor, loved
Speaker 1: taking pictures like I could care I carry a camera
Speaker 1: all the time, you know. Um, So that was just
Speaker 1: a good cleaning of the closet. On that one. I
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, go away. I just didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time for it. Well, I appreciate you coming by,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. My mom's going to think that
Speaker 1: I'm I've so made it. Now. Does your mom get
Speaker 1: to hear the show where she lives my radio show, Yes,
Speaker 1: because that's one of my favorite places to go in
Speaker 1: the whole world. Which saw that's what we just sent to.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you it is degree. Oh. My
Speaker 1: show would not be nationally syndicated without which Dock Kansas,
Speaker 1: Well probably my mom. My mom's probably just probably has
Speaker 1: going on twenty seven radio, you know, devices in the
Speaker 1: house at the same time. And when you say Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: like I know the area because I guess twelve years
Speaker 1: or so ago I went and not that you even
Speaker 1: care about since it is your hometown. I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I went and begged a station on which put my
Speaker 1: show on, and I paid for everything, Like I was like,
Speaker 1: I have this new technology I just bought trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I'll pay for everything. All the phone
Speaker 1: lines all don't pay me anything. And the very first
Speaker 1: station to ever pick up my show on syndication was Whichtock, Kansas.
Speaker 1: And every year I go back to three sometimes four times,
Speaker 1: which I just did two nights at the Oar film there,
Speaker 1: and then I'm going back to play My band is
Speaker 1: the Raging Gas. Were playing at festival with Granger in
Speaker 1: like three weeks. Like I can't get enough at that place,
Speaker 1: and for some reason they keep having me back. I
Speaker 1: love it there, Well, I love you for loving it.
Speaker 1: We're actually building a house there, so I'll come and
Speaker 1: eat dinner. I do cook, yeah, yeah, I cook like
Speaker 1: a Midwestern though, so you cook chicken friedes well not
Speaker 1: fried that feels more Southern, but just like steak and potatoes,
Speaker 1: like meat patoes all day long. Well, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming by. Everybody was like, you have to have our
Speaker 1: She's amazing. You've got no bad reviews and everybody gets
Speaker 1: at least one bad review, right, Mike, Yeah, everybody gets
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Speaker 1: like that. Well, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on just Man. You got some big songs and
Speaker 1: I think, yes, you got some comment this boy from
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Speaker 1: back at this, we're gonna we're talking about when boy
Speaker 1: just was at least so Elsten And I'm not the jinks.
Speaker 1: I've said too many things that I went right, I'm
Speaker 1: not the drinks, I Mike, I've actually they're yeah yeah, yeah, um, well,
Speaker 1: thank you for coming buy. We really appreciating all right,
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