WEBVTT - #61 - Nicolle Galyon - Writer of “Automatic” and others 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.440 All. Welcome to episode sixty one The Bobby Cast with 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.080 Nicole Galleon, who, by the way, we're gonna tell you 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.559 before we walked on, everybody's has super nice things about you. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.320 And in this town, that's what that's happened with everybody. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.160 It's such a like everybody's like, God, I have an 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.560 opinion on that person. Everybody's had super nice things about you. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:23.160 Get any dirt. We don't search for dirt, but we're like, hey, Mike, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.040 wouldn't you agree? Like everybody we talked to was like, oh, 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.280 you will love her. First person universally we've ever had 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.400 someone said you'll everybody said you love no pressure, no 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.839 pressure at all. Um. You know who was up here 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.080 and was fantastic as Natalie Himby and she loves you 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.440 love her. And if anybody notally loves somebody, pretty cool, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.320 we'll let you know. She doesn't. Yeah, I just lets 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.519 you know real quick too. So let's see. I want 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.279 to tell you how because I want to run through 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:54.960 your resume real quick, and then we'll come back to 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:56.480 it because I like people to know who we're talking 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.440 to it first. So just some songs that Nicole has 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:02.080 written here, I which I actually wrote this jingle for 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:03.880 our show. This is a really amazing tune. You can 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:10.040 um no like for example automatic by the way you 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.080 do it with today. That's what Frank Lidel. We were 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.880 sitting at a table for like three hours. I'm assuming 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:20.000 he produced yeah, um, because he produces, you know, random stuff. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:21.880 We set for about three hours at a table today 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.600 and talked about the future of the business and and 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.399 at a at a seminar of his brutal and I 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.880 like Frank and we were both like, I'm over it, 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.720 but yeah, Frank produced that. Let's see we were Keith, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.920 you pumped your fist on that one. We're gonna come 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:44.080 back to that line things like and I have a 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.520 whole opinion and we can get to this and I'll 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:52.840 rant a bit, but love Triangle from Raylan Lantic Forever 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.800 Heart and the Long Swabs and then a lot of 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:58.000 other stuff. But I want to tell you how it 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:01.720 was introduced to you because I am the biggest Walker 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.080 Hayes fan and like that's my friend too, and I 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.200 took him on tour. We just finished our last show together. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.160 We did January through May, and he opened from my 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.320 stand up comedy tour and months ago. I mean before 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.200 he even had I was just like, dude, this stuff 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.720 is next level. Like when this Volume one came out, 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.160 I was playing it on the radio and I was like, 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.600 I love it. I love everybody of it. This Halloween 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.160 song and you sing it and you wrote it with them, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.919 and I'm hearing this song and it was just before 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.760 I play I remember hearing it and kind of listening 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.400 to the message, and it was, you know, Halloween ended 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:35.679 and all the things I pretended to be, Like, you 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.960 met somebody and you don't have to dress up and 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.200 be this character anymore. You can just be yourself. And 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.280 I was like, I don't know where this came from, 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.240 but this is like next level stuff. And not only 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.600 did you write it with him, you sang it with them. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:46.920 So I'm gonna play it and then we're gonna talk 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.560 to you. I'm done with my whole spill up front 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:58.520 Halloween to look at all these talents. I love this song, man, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:12.160 I love this song Halloween. Hell. I don't know why. 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.320 I'm like as a dam like I was so good, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.280 he's so good, he's so good, like and when he 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.200 finally I've saved tweets, I'm like a year ago, and 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.000 I'm like, everybody's gonna be sorry they didn't sign walking 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.280 Y's because he's that good and I've been written with 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.760 him and he does a different level. He's he's so wordy, 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:35.720 but like in this amazingly like precise way. So enough enough, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.040 enough of me rambling. We'll come back to that, Okay, 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.640 I'll come back about you. So where did you grow 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.240 up and how did you get here? I grew up 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.560 in Kansas the Middle. I grew up in a little 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.080 farm town of like two thousand people where West Town, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:56.600 then Ton. Okay, well I guess if we went to town, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:02.119 we went to a another smallest town called Hutchinson. I know. Yeah, so, um, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.160 that's where we would go to the Target or the 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:09.320 Applebee's for or for a date or something like that. Um, 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.200 but that was probably thirty miles away. So how long 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.000 ago did you move to Nashville. I moved here in 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.159 two thousand two, right when I graduated from high school. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.839 So this is my fifteen year Nashville versary. Um. I 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.800 came here and went to Belmont. At that time, I 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.040 had never sung I go you know, I actually got 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.080 into the business backwards because I came here wanting to 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.200 be a manager. Really, I had never written a song. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.440 I had never sung in front of anybody. When I 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.640 moved here, I you know, I was like the anti 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.680 girl moving to Nashville who had grown up singing at 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.520 every county fair, wanting to be in the music business. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.200 You know, I just wanted to be on the business side. 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.880 What made you want to be a manager? Like growing 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.480 up in a small town of Kansas, I wouldn't again 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.880 if I'm a tight toown in Arkansas. I never even 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.480 knew managers were a thing. Well, I was just obsessed 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.800 with the music. I was just obsessed with country music. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:00.160 And so for me, I was like I I was 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.760 raised real blue collar, like my dad and his brother's 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.120 all poor concrete that's still what they do. And so 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.880 for me it was like I was very business minded 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.400 and how can I how can I work and be 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.840 in the music business. I never had that. I mean, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:17.240 I grew up playing classical piano hardcore like one competitions. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.719 It was like my thing, But that mean hard course 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.520 did you start training at a young age, like like 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.559 at three? And then I was like play in these 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.760 like symphony orchestra things when I was in high school, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.039 I was very disciplined, but like, I never saw a 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.200 way for that to connect with my passion, which was 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.800 country music. I mean, my mom and I went to 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.480 every concert. We were like, you know, we were those fans, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:43.880 you know, but playing classical piano and loving the Dixie Chicks. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.320 How do you where's the middle ground between those two? 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.599 And so for me, I was I'm actually I actually 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.600 thought that I was a manager because of the way 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.040 that I'm made. I'm not made like a creative like 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.440 most of the people who write songs. I'm type A. 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:01.000 I'm very like like I could be really happy in 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.159 a suit and tie job. Like I thought that, And 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.320 that's actually the way that I operate in process and 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.760 wire and I'm wired and stuff. So I was like, well, 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.279 that makes sense. You're passionist country music and your type 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.239 A and you're wired like this, you must be something 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.039 behind the scenes. So that's what got me here. You're 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:18.840 going to manage artists. I moved here. I went to 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.680 Belmont thinking that I was going to get this degree 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.080 and manage artists and got here and just started meeting 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.880 songwriters and literally the first time I sat in someone's 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.600 living room and saw guitar pool. I thought I can 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.880 do that, and it wasn't like it wasn't pride, and 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.040 it wasn't. I didn't I had never written a song, 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.080 but I just knew myself and knew that I could 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.279 do that. And so I was like a closeted songwriter 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:47.080 for many years. Even as you're playing piano. All those years, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.039 you never wrote a song. So what did you do play? 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.880 I dropped off. Yes, I played Beethoven. I played like 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.880 study because that's what was available in the country. Was 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.560 like choral mute. Like if I sang, I sang in 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.359 a quiet choral music because that's what you do in 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.440 a small town. That was no band. There was no 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:08.200 one learning guitar, no one. It was you know. It 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.160 wasn't until I got here that I figured out that 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.920 I could put all that stuff together. Did you sing 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:17.440 solos in your choir? If you have to think about it, 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.640 there there are no distinct memories of you just rocking 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.320 in a solo. I think they made me. My choir 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.880 director made me do one like my senior year, and 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.880 it was kind of a joke, and it wasn't. I mean, 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.960 I don't have like a great choral voice. I don't 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.680 think of myself as a singer still. Um So, I 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.600 definitely didn't think of myself as a singer when I 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.200 was seventeen, as I thought a singer was Martin McBride. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.640 That was the only way you could sing and be 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.680 a good singer. And then I got here and met 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.120 songwriters and I'm like, oh, you're all artists in your 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.840 own way, and you don't sound like Martin McBride or 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.840 Faith Fell, you know, the people that had these huge voices, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.200 and I don't have that voice. So I never considered 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.560 myself a singer. At what point did it turn for you? 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.960 And you go, Okay, maybe I don't want to manage. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.480 I want to be someone who creates. Um well, probably 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.240 you kind of have to note kind of what was 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:07.920 going on on this side too. I worked for a 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.720 booking agent at William Morris all through college as I 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.240 was like his assistant for four years, and part of 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.520 my job was helping him throw parties. So we would 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.720 throw these parties at his house with all these people 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:20.920 in the music business, and then everyone would be drunk 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.200 and at the end of the party, he knew I 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.080 was writing songs because he was kind of he kind 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.080 of became family to me, and he'd be like, Nick, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.280 get up there and play a song, and he would 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.360 always put me on this spot, and I would always 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:37.360 be so scared. But something in me just loved songwriting 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.400 enough that I was like, if you can't do this, 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.480 you're never going to be a songwriter. So could you 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.480 start playing guitar when you moved here? I just read 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.960 on piano, So you don't play guitar now? And I 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.600 still don't play Wow, so you right on piano. So 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.840 Walker just back to walking. Walker writes and plays piano. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.440 So on YouTube it said, like the doling it's like 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:58.680 Billy Joel and Elton John, I want to that concerts 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.320 like doing pianos. He oh, I don't. I don't. I 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.880 rarely play in the room anymore. And that's the weird thing. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.839 Like the first I got a publishing deal in two 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.240 thousand seven, and I pretty much wrote at the piano. 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.560 I was the girl. I was like the country Sarah borellis, 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.600 I guess, for lack of a better, the description when 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.440 I first had a publishing deal and and I was 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:19.880 just given that when you write, when the coolst she 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.400 writes on the piano. And then this whole track. Guy. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.360 Revolution happened with songwriting where all these guys were incredible. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.000 You know, they've had these incredible tracks. So then I 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.559 started walking in and I became more of a top liner. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.120 Basically top line. The top line is pretty much anything 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.040 you would sing in karaoke, So lyric, melody, whatever the 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.640 singer does in karaoke is what top lining is. And 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.280 that's more of like an l A pop way of 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.640 talking about writing. We don't say that as much here 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.280 in Nashville because everyone just kind of is chameleon and 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:55.520 everyone does everything in the room. But when I got 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.800 rid of my piano, which is ultimately what got me 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.679 into writing in the first place. That so when I 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.559 really started to blossom. That sounds so dumb. Blossom he 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.920 says that. But do you write with piano now? Maybe 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.240 like a handful of times a year? Wow? Really do 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.000 you play it for? Fine? Still a little bit? Yeah? 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.719 I mean, are you burnt at all from it? I'm 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.160 I got to the point on a writing front where 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.360 I was um uninspired by everything I was playing because 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.520 I was just playing everything and writing for the country market. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.640 There's a lot of kinds of songs that I wanted 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.480 to write that just don't pay off in the room 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.640 on piano, Like I can't write a song to pitch 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.800 to Luke Brian most of the time. Writing on piano, 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.319 you can't write a lot of the same fields. It 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.880 would just sound like bad Billy Joel you know, it 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.800 would just sound like terrible Elton John. You know. I 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:48.000 just didn't sound like anything anyone would ever cut, and 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.280 it wasn't inspiring. So I just kind of gave that up. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.600 So you got your first publishing girls, which means they 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.920 start paying you'd write songs. Yeah, So what was your 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:59.480 first bit of success, meaning who was the first one 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.160 to ever put a song on hold and go oh, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.600 even if you didn't get it where you kind of 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.040 got a little bit excited. I don't remember the like 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.560 a substantial hold, but I remember. Are you familiar with 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:20.360 Josh Kelly Charles Brother not country but kind of Americana acoustic. Yeah, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.439 And at the time all I knew of him was 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.280 that he had been a pop artist and was coming 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.960 to Nashville and um was making a country record and 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.640 he I wrote a song with him that was going 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:34.880 to be his first single, and it was going to 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.400 be my first time to hear something that I had 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.040 written on the radio, and the last minute they changed 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.520 their mind and went with another song, and it kind 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.640 of struggled, and then I think they kind of like 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.839 used all their bullets per se on that song, and 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.600 then then they put ours out and it just like 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.720 died at fifty, which is such a rite of passage 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.280 for every songwriter. Do you all dream of getting, you know, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.440 your first single, because in your mind you think if 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.960 I get a single, I get a hit. Well those 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.600 two very different things. So you get the single and 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.080 then it fails, and then you go, okay, now my 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.439 new goal is to have a hit. So you get 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.000 a song with Josh Kelly. Yes, no real success, but 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:12.880 it is at least a song. You probably heard it 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.720 on the radio a couple times. It's gonna be cool, right, Yeah, 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.600 that was cool? Okay, So then what was your first 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.880 song where you finally got to actually be okay, this 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.040 thing has a shot. Was we were us, Wow, that's 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:24.880 a that was a monster, Like that was your first 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.040 real one and it was that big. I had a 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:31.080 song on the song that always feels like my career 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:35.240 kind of like it happened after this. Go ahead, you 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.719 can talk I keep it low so we can talk 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.199 over what was this song the Lady Annabelle Um cut 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.679 of mine called it Ain't Pretty? I had that one 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:46.040 right here here, so you thought this one myself fall 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:55.960 it ain't pretty. It ain't pretty a heartbreak. So this 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.040 was a cut before we were us. This was a 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.199 cut before we rest. This was a song that It's 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.440 funny because, like my publisher always says, you know, songsid 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.760 different purposes, Nicole, and we all as writers, all we 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.600 think is songs need to be hits or else we're 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.880 not gonna have a job. But this song had a 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.760 different purpose, which was to just make other people aware 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:17.160 of me as a writer. And a lot of people 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:18.920 wrote with me because they were like, who wrote that? 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.640 I wrote this with Eric Pasley, one of my one 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.760 of my best friends in the whole world. Everyone knew Eric, 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.840 but then they were like, this is a female song. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.120 Who's the missing who's the new variable in this song? 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.559 And so that that's that's how Shane mcinally became aware 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.400 of me was he heard me play this at a 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.000 Lady in a Bellum event and was like, you don't 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.800 know me, but I can't believe that song. And so 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.320 now we're like great friends. So so this was the 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:47.080 first cut you It wasn't the first cut, but it 0:13:47.320 --> 0:14:00.439 was like the first legit thing like this night record 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:07.840 was that on Golden So just god. So people hear 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:09.560 this and start to go, hey, listen to the record, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.880 love that song? Who wrote it? And that's how they 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.439 started track down like the new new sound songwriters. I mean, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.640 I guess at least within our writing community, it was, Oh, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.840 it's so funny because it's like getting a cut like 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.880 that is like when one artist validates you and says 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.400 your song is worthy of my project, so many other 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.920 artists feel more confident in cutting your songs. And I think, 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.000 and you know, I just did an event with Lady 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.040 a couple of weeks ago and I played that song 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.360 and I was like, no one ever heard this song, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:43.000 But this song actually changed everything for me, um because 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.600 it made other artists go, oh, what else are you writing? 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.920 And you know, you have to see the long game. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.440 When you do what we do, you can't get can't 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.160 put put all your eggs in any song's basket. You know, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.160 it just has to be like, well, if that was 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.480 what that song's purpose was, then I have peace with 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.800 that and write another one. I was wondering because I 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.320 have a lot of songwriter friends and there you write 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.360 a song and it takes forever for for it to 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.600 come to fruition. So when you write the song, you 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.480 don't go, well, we'll see that one next week or 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:15.960 in a month. You kind of just write a bunch 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.800 of songs and then just let them go about their day. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.160 You can almost forget about them, and you just keep writing. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.360 And then eventually after time somebody go come back and go, oh, 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.760 over that song you wrote three months ago. This one's 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.680 kind of been play. Is that somewhat right? Yeah, I mean, 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.440 I think about it. My husband is used to be 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.840 a farmer. He's a writer too, but I always use 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.040 like the farming metaphor of like every day we just 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.960 plant seeds and like then you look back and you 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.120 like have this whole field of songs, and some of 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.560 them grow and some of them don't, and you know, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.640 some of them you really have to like work hard 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.640 for another. You know, they just kind of do their 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.320 own thing. They have this they have a whole life 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:58.200 of their own beyond what happens in the room. And 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.160 that's like the most intriguing part of the business to 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.280 me is like how certain songs go all the way 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:06.480 around the world to get cut. You know, it's really humbling, honestly, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.320 because you go, I could have never orchestrated that. 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So was it written as a duet? 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:09.240 It was? There was another artist that we um had. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.560 I don't know. I never feel right saying who it is. 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.280 Everybody always says you don't have to, but everybody always says, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:16.520 don't feel like you have to. There was another artist 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.920 that there was just like a rumor that they were 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.679 looking for a feature. It was a female artist and 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.320 looking for a feature. And it was, to be quite honest, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.800 not as massive like not as you know at the time, 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.240 that artist didn't have you know, hadn't had a song 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.359 on the radio and years. Not a feature. What what 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.040 do you mean? Not a feature? So Keith had the 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.080 song already and they wanted to know it was written 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.639 as a female song to feature a guy it and 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.520 then um one of the one of my co I 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.280 wrote this song with Jimmy Robins and John Knight, and 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.240 one of my co writers, Jimmy Robbins his he was 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.960 actually published by Keith, so Keith was getting to hear 0:18:55.240 --> 0:19:00.440 what he was writing before, but before anyone else ever 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.040 heard it. So he heard it and then it never 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.920 really actually made it to that other artist. So Keith 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.400 was like, I'll take it. Actually, that's not true. He said, 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.399 oh my god, I have to have that song. In 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.919 the meantime, we had already sent it off to the 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.920 other artists camp and they came back and we're freaking 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.480 out like, oh my gosh, we have to have this song, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.920 and we're like, I'm so sorry you can't now because 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:27.080 Keith wants it. And that's always like a really that's 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.240 what you dream of those situations as a writer, but it, 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.000 you know, it kind of stunk. Did you have to 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.000 have the conversation? Did you know the other artist well 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.119 enough for I did eventually, Like I don't think I was. 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.520 All of us were connected to this, to this girl, 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.000 and we all love her and adore her. Um, but 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.280 how could we tell Keith no it was his? He 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.520 had technically owned the song, and are you kidding me? Like, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.080 are you freaking kidding me? Why would we ever tell him? No? Ever, 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.040 Keith wants the song, gets the song, and then how 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.879 does Miranda get on it? I don't remember. I feel like, 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.840 there for a minute, there were other possibly like and 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.359 he might remember I mean, he would obviously remember this 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.000 better than I would because and I'm even hesitant to say, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.080 because all the information we get as songwriters is so third, fourth, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.000