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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports, not for everybody. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: a little sick to love this game. And we got

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Speaker 1: some picos.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to NFL Daily.

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Speaker 3: It's episode three of Saturday Sickos, and I brought in

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Speaker 3: a ringer today. Last week we did the All Underrated

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Speaker 3: Team on offense. This week we're doing the All Underrated

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Speaker 3: Team on defense. And strangely, my partner on Saturday, Olly Connelly,

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Speaker 3: the one requirement he had during contract negotiations to come

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Speaker 3: on board with NFL Daily, OLLI was, you need to

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Speaker 3: put me on a show with the man Nick Shook,

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Speaker 3: And now here we are I've done it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Siko's on complete unless sho he's in town. That's

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Speaker 4: just the reality.

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Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, look, I'm glad to be a ringer.

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Speaker 1: I'm usually a ringer on my friend's bowling team. I've

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Speaker 1: been a ringer on our old softball team. Why not

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Speaker 3: It's too bad weightlifting isn't just like one of those

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Speaker 3: sports that you can just like play at recess or whatever,

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Speaker 3: because Chuck would have been like a great ringer for that.

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Speaker 2: Although there is still a lot of arm wrestling going around.

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Speaker 3: I'm finding out in middle school and elementary school for boys,

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Speaker 3: so that that could have been a good one. All right,

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Speaker 3: So we did the all underrated offense last week with Ali.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, let's build this defense back to front.

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Speaker 3: Let's go with the defensive back first. Let's start a cornerback. Actually,

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Speaker 3: why don't you get us going?

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Speaker 2: Ali?

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Speaker 4: I gotta go with Kamarai Lesta from the Texans, who

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Speaker 4: I think is probably one of the three best corners

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Speaker 4: that just isn't Will Anderson and Daniela Hunter and Derek Stingley.

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Speaker 4: I still think is slightly understated given where he's at

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Speaker 4: in his development. But for me, it's Lesta as truly

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Speaker 4: like the picture textbook technique based core in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: with all the great athletic traits too, but he is

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Speaker 4: just like one for one down line, every rep is

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Speaker 4: picture perfect of how you would coach it up. And

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Speaker 4: he doesn't get any of the love because it's all

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Speaker 4: us swallow it into the same morphus. Like the Texans

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Speaker 4: are great, the past wish is great, and we kind

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Speaker 4: of forget they got two ole pro corners hanging out

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Speaker 3: Ooh, all pro that you're saying that would be a

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Speaker 3: top six overall cornerback in the league. If we're putting

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Speaker 4: I would have him right now. Satan lives in a

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Speaker 4: league of his own. He is, you know, just a

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Speaker 4: demi god. And then right after that, it's a conversation,

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Speaker 4: pick who you one, and I would have Luster right

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Speaker 2: That is awesome.

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Speaker 3: And if you think about like the value that they

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Speaker 3: but you know when they had Stingley on his first

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Speaker 3: give me one of your cornerbacks.

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Speaker 1: Shook, Okay, we're gonna go with somebody that we actually mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I think after the Monday Night Show, which is Dante Jackson,

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Speaker 1: His targeted passer rating is forty point eight. It's among

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm counting on you guys to really make this

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Speaker 2: So I'm just leaning on your picks.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to just bounce off what you guys said,

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Speaker 3: give me your other cornerback shook, and then just jump

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Speaker 3: right in after OLLI with yours.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this one like doesn't stand the test of

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Speaker 4: Imagine where they would be without him, given some of

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Speaker 4: Show gets like these are some Hall of Fame all

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Speaker 3: And if you're looking for a good watcher into like

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Speaker 2: It's a great season of television.

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Speaker 3: He's bounced around, you know, the Cowboys took him early

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Speaker 4: And I'm saying to the Bengals fans, I know it's

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Speaker 5: You do go rep by rep.

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Speaker 4: You see him take on all the big boys where

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Speaker 4: He locks people down. He has unbelievable instincts and feel

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Speaker 4: But he's had a sensational season when everything around him

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Speaker 1: Yeah, much to watch him develop, by the way, too,

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Speaker 5: That's going very well.

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Speaker 4: Good job by l But he's asked to do this

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Speaker 3: a reminder these like cornerbacks, it's such an unpredictable position

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Speaker 2: And these are almost lower.

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Speaker 3: And I like your idea, by the way, Ali, of

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Speaker 3: having a third team all Pro I think you guys

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Speaker 3: do that on the podcast. Like I'm like, more positions,

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Speaker 4: Maybe the biggest revelation of any player given the demands

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Speaker 5: It's just the most sensational stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's not just Devin Witherspoon back there.

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Speaker 1: First one's Evan Williams, a guy who has come on

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Speaker 3: He's like a he has great ball skills. This secondary

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Speaker 1: Culver and yeah, I did a one on one with

436
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Speaker 1: him in the in the on the lot back then.

437
00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,360
Speaker 1: That's how long it's been. We've been in Englewood for years.

438
00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,240
Speaker 1: I've been gone and remote for years.

439
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Speaker 4: I feel like he's almost most well known beyond Dion

440
00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,000
Speaker 4: for being every like analyst, trade deadline, go get candidate.

441
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,360
Speaker 4: For like three years in a row, it's like, could

442
00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,119
Speaker 4: you go and get Kevin biod? Then the Eagles went

443
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,960
Speaker 4: and did it and he was completely fried and cooked

444
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,760
Speaker 4: when he got to Philadelphia and we all had to

445
00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,040
Speaker 4: egg on off Facebook a really good bounced by gearing

446
00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,840
Speaker 4: someone that Kaylen Bullock is like the true free ranging

447
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:46,879
Speaker 4: middle of the field safety.

448
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Speaker 5: That's that's the career.

449
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Speaker 3: That's the career you want to have good comp Let's

450
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,560
Speaker 3: go to linebacker for the uninitiated. This is the position

451
00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,520
Speaker 3: that gets Ali up in the morning or or or

452
00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,560
Speaker 3: get some up on East Coast hours, which he crazily

453
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,159
Speaker 3: does during football season. He just he just switches and

454
00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,480
Speaker 3: pretends like he's living on the East Coast there in Manchester.

455
00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,879
Speaker 3: So what linebackers this year have you enjoyed watching the

456
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,320
Speaker 3: most that deserve to be on the all underrated team.

457
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Speaker 4: There's a lot this season which is a true bounce

458
00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,359
Speaker 4: back where last year you're digging through the rubble being like,

459
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Speaker 4: can we find so can we find a fourth, fifth

460
00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,879
Speaker 4: one here that could play pretty well? I went first

461
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,880
Speaker 4: with Divine Diablo from the Falcons, who when he came

462
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Speaker 4: over from Vegas, I just thought that was a complete

463
00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 4: whiff and a mistake to do. He's he's a converted

464
00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,679
Speaker 4: safety who was always like, oh, he can play in space.

465
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Speaker 4: You get all the coverage stuff and people say you

466
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,679
Speaker 4: can't find coverage linebackers, Well you might get a plus

467
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,840
Speaker 4: coverage linebacker who could do absolutely nothing for you in

468
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,440
Speaker 4: the run fit. He comes to Atlanta and he's been

469
00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,640
Speaker 4: incredible around the ball and make him plays in the backfield,

470
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,320
Speaker 4: and he's playing in that really mugged up kind of

471
00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,320
Speaker 4: linear path system where it's either blitz or drop, and

472
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Speaker 4: that's why I think he's at his best. But he's

473
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Speaker 4: added this new fresh element to his game where you

474
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Speaker 4: can really kind of dance and skip around the box

475
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,960
Speaker 4: and slide through those crevices and go make plays in

476
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Speaker 4: the backfield, which is just not what his game was

477
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,800
Speaker 4: like a toll before. He's got here, and he's been

478
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,760
Speaker 4: super impactful, super productive, and now has the sick aesthetic

479
00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,400
Speaker 4: where he's got the club on one arm and he's

480
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 4: just swamming people away and he's going to make him plays.

481
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Speaker 4: So to mind the apoloij himself.

482
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Speaker 3: For me, yeah, I think about that defense and how

483
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,360
Speaker 3: many cool parts of it has and how they use

484
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Speaker 3: them well, and then I think, I don't know if

485
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Speaker 3: that defense is going to exist next year.

486
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Speaker 2: It's kind of a shame.

487
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Speaker 3: We'll see who ends up being their head coach next year.

488
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Speaker 3: But like so many guys seem like good fits and

489
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,439
Speaker 3: we've seen development out of their rookie pass rushers. But

490
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Speaker 3: that's a good shout out coming from the Raiders. Everyone

491
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 3: like looks a little better after they leave the Raiders.

492
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Speaker 3: Who else you got shook?

493
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Speaker 1: Well? First off, I wanted to think real quick, maybe

494
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Speaker 1: this is just like an association by uniform, but I

495
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,400
Speaker 1: think it was a different defensive scheme. But like Diablo

496
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Speaker 1: going to the Falcons having a good year, it kind

497
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Speaker 1: of makes me think about when like Michael Walker, who's

498
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Speaker 1: no longer there. I always liked him with the Falcons,

499
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,440
Speaker 1: different types of players, but it's just like I don't

500
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Speaker 1: know what it is about. At there's always a linebacker

501
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 1: that comes from Atlanta that I like, I'm gonna go with.

502
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 1: This might be a bit of a cherry pick, but

503
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: he's a rookie. He's having a great year. Carson Schwessinger

504
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 1: who's just been fantastic for the Browns. He has effectively

505
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: replaced Jeremiah Cormo as best as possible in this defense.

506
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: A former walk on at UCLA who ends up being

507
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 1: a top end of the second round draft pick. I

508
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: think he's still a strong candidate for Defensive Rookie of

509
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: the Year based on how he's performed in his first season.

510
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Speaker 1: He ranks in like the top twenty five among all

511
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Speaker 1: linebackers according to PFF. He's in the top twenty and

512
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 1: run defense and you just see it on the tape.

513
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 1: He's another guy who's not afraid to get dirty to

514
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: fire in with explosion. He's rangy, he can get from

515
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,159
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline. He's decent in pass coverage. He's the

516
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: type of athletic linebacker that I think is a bit

517
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Speaker 1: of a dying breed, even as we turn toward more

518
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Speaker 1: sub packages. He's a guy that can play on all

519
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: three downs. And he's been a big part for that defense,

520
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: a big piece of it for sure.

521
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Speaker 3: When you're watching him, like, did you expect Ali this

522
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 3: big of an impact right off the bat?

523
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Speaker 5: No, not this big of an impact.

524
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Speaker 4: I think he almost falls into that Diabolo boocket where

525
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 4: he was built as Okay, we're gonna get all the coverage, chops,

526
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 4: the coverage and rage, and Jiad Campbell has more of

527
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 4: the size and power and like physical strength and maybe

528
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 4: be more of the first down and force who can

529
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Speaker 4: then survive on third down. He just walks in the

530
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 4: league and it's just killing people at the point of attack.

531
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Speaker 4: Day one, stood up mugged ub and then they run

532
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 4: the ball at you when you're mugged up these days,

533
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Speaker 4: and he's like, I don't care about it. I'm just

534
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 4: gonna throw somebody to the floor and go get the ball.

535
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Speaker 4: I did not expect to have this kind of all

536
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Speaker 4: around impact. I thought he would really be a sub

537
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 4: packaged piece coming in on passing downs and you would

538
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 4: maybe figure out over time, how close can you get

539
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 4: into the line of scrimage, how much can you play

540
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 4: does in the trenches? Big boy on big boy football,

541
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Speaker 4: So thim to be this impactful right away.

542
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Speaker 5: I agree with Shook.

543
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 4: I think he's the kind of the runaway defensive rookie

544
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 4: of the year if you just go snap by snap,

545
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 4: who plays like an all around pro and then is

546
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 4: the position that takes three years to develop more than

547
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 4: any other position in the league outside of maybe quarterback.

548
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 4: And he's just stepped in day one as a top ten,

549
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 4: top twelve linebacker. That's basically impossible to do, and so

550
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 4: he deserves an award for that.

551
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: This is not an official entry, but Devin Bush has

552
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: played pretty well for the time.

553
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Speaker 1: It kills me. He didn't want to sound like a Homer,

554
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: but you're right, he's had a really good year.

555
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: Am I crazy? I'm like, wow, is that Devin Bush again?

556
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: Devin Bush is pretty good at football? Suddenly.

557
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't want to sound like a Homer being

558
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and everything else, but he's made I mean,

559
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: he even has his first interception in years in this season.

560
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: He's I don't know if he's found the fountain of

561
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: youth or if he's just in the right scheme with

562
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz defense, but he's having a probably his best

563
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: year or one of his best years.

564
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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit of both, which is like he's

565
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 3: he's in a perfect situation and what Olli was saying

566
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Speaker 3: in terms of sometimes you really do need that time

567
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: to develop at that position. But especially I think they're

568
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz in that defense helping him like focus on.

569
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Speaker 2: What he does well, Ali, who else do you got?

570
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Speaker 4: I was going to go with Justin Schernav from the Broncos.

571
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 4: He was truly my beloved, but he's once again being

572
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 4: bench because Drake Greenlaw has returned, and so I don't

573
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Speaker 4: think you can put a bench player on the all

574
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 4: underrated team, which is is sad. So I'm going to

575
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 4: throw something out to the Titans fans and say that

576
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 4: in Cedric Great, I believe you've found someone who can

577
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 4: actually stand up and play on the field fee on

578
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 4: so days behind Jeffrey Simmons, and that should be pretty exciting.

579
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,639
Speaker 4: Now he's right up there and like the role, like

580
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 4: tackle date, the numbers, but none of it is empty

581
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 4: calories to me. His range, his fight, he is still

582
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 4: a complete roller coaster, particularly in coverage. He has lost constantly.

583
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: But if you just put in between the tackles and

584
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 4: in the box and allow him to kind of just

585
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 4: play sit and find and sift and find football, which

586
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 4: is a lot of early down stuff in the NFL.

587
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 4: He's playing about as well as you could ever hopeful

588
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 4: for a second year guy playing in that scheme behind

589
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,719
Speaker 4: the front that he's playing with.

590
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Speaker 3: That that is truly all underrated. I know this because

591
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: we were we were my son wanted to play a game.

592
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 3: I didn't want to bring the iPad to Chargers Eagles

593
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: on Monday night when we're stuck in traffic on the

594
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 3: way there, and he just wanted to play a game.

595
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 3: You give me a depth chart position and I'll like

596
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: name who the players are in the NFL, which is

597
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: you know, makes me very proud of the son as

598
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: a father that he suggested that game and I'm like,

599
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: Titans linebacker and he's like, there's there's no chance that he's.

600
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Speaker 2: He's getting that. He threw it back on me and

601
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 2: I was like, actually that. I was like, that's pretty tough.

602
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: I did know Cedric Gray, but I was like, I

603
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: would not have tabbed him for the all underrated team.

604
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: And I, off the top of my head, I don't

605
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: know who's even playing next to him right now in Tennessee.

606
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: But Cody bought and doing an awful pointing at everyone

607
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: else saying that's where the ball is going to go.

608
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 4: And it's like, Cody, could you maybe fa over there

609
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 4: for as we're paying you some money to maybe get

610
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 4: a position to make some plays. Cedric Gray's play style

611
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 4: and demeanor is just as E's al Shay put into

612
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 4: another buddy. Now, that's always balderline. I'm reckless, and you

613
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 4: get all the dumb penalties. But if that's your kind

614
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 4: of linebacker, which is a throwback linebacker that you know,

615
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 4: the thirty of thirty two coaches in the league like, yes,

616
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 4: please sign me up for some of alha. Cedric Gray

617
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 4: is the next incarnation of that.

618
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've just been waiting for the Brandon Spikes style

619
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: of linebacker to come back into vogue. I mean, Alandon

620
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 3: Roberts is having a long career there and he's kind

621
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Speaker 3: of in that mold. All right, shuck, give me your

622
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 3: other linebacker.

623
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Speaker 1: A late arrival to my radar. We're going to the

624
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: rams here in Nate Landman, who's having an excellent year.

625
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he benefits from playing behind one of

626
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: the top defensive fronts in football, but I'm not going

627
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: to use that to take anything away from him, And

628
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: the reason that he landed on my radar late was because, yes,

629
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: I'd known about him and I'd appreciate his contributions. But

630
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: he made one of the greatest interceptions I've seen from

631
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: a guy at linebacker against on Kobe Brissett against the

632
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals last weekend. I just Johobe never saw him and

633
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: he just full extension picks him off and I'm like, oh,

634
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: And they had been talking about him on the broadcast

635
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: earlier and I was like, yeah, you are giving him

636
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: as due and he deserves that. But then he goes

637
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: and makes a play almost on que I think that,

638
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at the Rams as a

639
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: complete team and defensively, we always talk about that front four.

640
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: We give credit to some of what they have in

641
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: the secondary, but we seem to, I don't know, maybe

642
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: overlook a bit of what they have at the second level.

643
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: We should stop doing that because Nate Lanman's having a

644
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: really good year.

645
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 3: So Nate Landman signed a contract extension that I think

646
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: slipped under the entire NFL's radar because it was over Thanksgiving.

647
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: They got him in for three years, twenty two point

648
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: five million, dollars extension. They basically signed him for nothing

649
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: this offseason. I'd have to go check, but I'm guessing

650
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 3: it was like a million dollars or something, or close

651
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 3: to the minimum. The guarantee is only about fifteen million dollars.

652
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: That's like for the next three years. They just got

653
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: like a very low cost linebacker who can stay on

654
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: the field, who is doing a little bit of everything

655
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: if you want to know, like how to succeed while

656
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: you're paying Pukin Nakua's next contract and whatever you're paying

657
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams if he's still on the team. It's like

658
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 3: getting deals like that. Less need has done a good

659
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: job drafting, and that was an amazing extension.

660
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: Landman, I get it.

661
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: I probably would do the same thing if I could

662
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: imagine myself as an NFL player. But like, he could

663
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: have made a lot more money, frankly if he if

664
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Speaker 3: he waited till till he got to the open market.

665
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've loved watching him play too, eli Oh.

666
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: I love the Landman. How could you not.

667
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 4: The thing that is interesting about them in that linebacks

668
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: in particular is that their threshold fringes, like just don't

669
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 4: make mistakes all the fun stuff we do is in

670
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: the front and then with the three safeties. Now not

671
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 4: with Quinton Lake, but when we have Quentin Lake, that's

672
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: where all the fun and games happens. Just be in

673
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: the right spots on time and never make a mistake.

674
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 4: And Nate Limon just duffed his cap and was like,

675
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: I will not do that and pay me twenty one

676
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 4: million dollars.

677
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 5: And that's what they did.

678
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: And that if that's the style of scheme you're running wedges,

679
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: which is we'll keep the lineback of clean and you

680
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 4: just float to the football and figure it out for us,

681
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 4: is really really, really valuable. And yet they got a

682
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: really cost effective deal.

683
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was with the Falcons previously and he has

684
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: had a knack for making big plays and they've it's

685
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: been interesting.

686
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: They said goodbye to Ernest Jones.

687
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: They had a lot of faith in Omar Spates, who's

688
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: playing pretty well for them.

689
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: There that's our linebackers.

690
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 3: So let's take a quick break and we'll come back

691
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: on the other side and we will do the defensive line.

692
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: All underrated defense.

693
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: Back on NFL Dailyday, Sickos just occurred to me.

694
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna have Saturday NFL Football pretty soon.

695
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: That Bears Packers game is a Saturday night game in

696
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks, a few days before Christmas. If

697
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: you're listening to this on Saturday, though it is officially

698
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: Rosenthal Christmas right now, celebrate it early.

699
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: It's the last.

700
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: Weekend day I have free before they leave for Japan

701
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: the following week. So you know, just just happy Rosenthal

702
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: Christmas to me. Let's go to the edge defenders. A

703
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: lot of options here. We'll start with Yushooki.

704
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So as we went into the season, we looked

705
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: at the Detroit Lions and we thought, all right, they

706
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: got Aiden Hutchinson, and they're already dealing with some injuries

707
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: on the defensive front. And who's going to play opposite

708
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson. Last year it was Zadarias Smith came in

709
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: the middle of the year. What are they gonna do.

710
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what they're gonna do. They're gonna go

711
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: to Alkadeen Muhammad and say, get us nine sacks, make

712
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: some big plays in big spots on national television, and

713
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: become just about his perd him of an edge rusher

714
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: as Aiden Hutchinson this year, you don't believe me. I'll

715
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: tell you about the numbers. He's fourth in quarterback pressure

716
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: percentage among all edge rushers at sixteen and a half percent.

717
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: That is zero point zero one percentage points behind Aiden Hutchinson,

718
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: which means they're getting about similar production. And I talked

719
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: about the nine sacks he's made a difference. It hasn't

720
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: been entirely consistent from week to weeks. Sometimes he disappears,

721
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: but man, in those big spots when they need a play,

722
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: if it isn't Hutchinson, you see number ninety six and

723
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, that is that guy that blew

724
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: up earlier this year. Look at him making a play again.

725
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: So I love what he's done for the Lions this year.

726
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 3: I think of him too, as like a hustle guy

727
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 3: and he's going to clean it up. But we're watching

728
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: him beat Terren Steel clean in that Thursday night game. Look,

729
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: he started his career pretty well for the Colts, and

730
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: then he was reduced to a point where he was

731
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: just on the Lions practice squad. He was not even

732
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: on an active roster. Anyone could have picked him up

733
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: basically for free. But that's a good shout out, and

734
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: it's just like they needed to get production from somewhere,

735
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: and you can't count on Marcus Davin to stay healthy

736
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 3: for long.

737
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Speaker 4: My fear with the Lions defense in general is that

738
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: they've become really siloed and really packaged. And we do

739
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: this on one down, then we kind of change the

740
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: defense on a sub down and we bring Mohammadan to

741
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: do his thing, and I think that's why the production

742
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: kind of ebbs and flows every week. The teams who

743
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: have a good plan for knowing we can kind of

744
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: get the lines into what we want to get them

745
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: do they start shifting the front round With McNeil and

746
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: Williams and Hutchinson, you can kind of dictate the terms

747
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: to them in a way that I think could get

748
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: you smoked in a playoff game, unfortunately. But he is

749
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: a full on effort and hustle player. Great high five guy,

750
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: great high five guy. He gets to the backfield, meets

751
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: aiden says come on, buddy, a good job. So I like,

752
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: I admire the effort, I admire the gumption. I think

753
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: he's got a bit more juice than maybe I'm giving

754
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: him credit for there. But as a one on one

755
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: winner in the playoffs, when you're kind of tipping your

756
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: hands on what you're doing as a defense. I have

757
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: some reservations as a kind of second option alongside Aiden.

758
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: Forget the playoffs, how about Saturday, I mean Sunday this week,

759
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: get against the Rams. I am definitely concerned about how

760
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: that defense is gonna look.

761
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that one, though. Give it. Give

762
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: us an edge defender, Alley.

763
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: I'm going with Nick Herbig with the Steelers, who I'm

764
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 4: not sure is in any way underrated anymore, but I've

765
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: had him listed on this team since he walked into

766
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: the league. So I'm just going to persist with it

767
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: until Mike Tomlin recognizes the brilliance before him and stops

768
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: rolling him off the field. Whenever Alex Highsmith becomes healthy

769
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: and available again. He is potentially the most explosive guy

770
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 4: off the ball in the entire league, particularly from a

771
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: two point stance. Miles lives in probably a tear of

772
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: his own, but just as a straight juice fly off

773
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: the ball. Herbig is right there with absolutely no defensive

774
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 4: architecture to help a pass rusher out zero, and yet

775
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: he flies off the ball. He wins inside, outside, spin, move,

776
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 4: dip and rip, whatever you want. He is I think

777
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: a massively difference making pass rusher, and yet he has

778
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: to spend half of the season begging for snaps and

779
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: so I find that very frustrating. Has played a lot

780
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: more this season and we've been able to see the

781
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: kind of impact he can make.

782
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I you know, when I was just writing

783
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: down some names in case you guys didn't mention, just

784
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: to give little shout outs, I was like, does her

785
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: big still qualify? And Yeah, the answer is absolutely yes,

786
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: because I think on a national level, people still don't

787
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: realize he's that quality of a pass rusher. And if

788
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin is only going to play him a combined

789
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: I counted him up fifty six snaps the last two

790
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: weeks in money time, like when they absolutely need it,

791
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: then yes, he is still underrated.

792
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: It I don't I don't get what it's fine buggling.

793
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: And if you look at the way offenses treat him

794
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: in terms of like double team rate, chip rate, like

795
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: all the offenses get it. He's right there with like

796
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: Will Anderson in terms of like how offense is a

797
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: tribute resources to try to stop him while also having

798
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: to deal with TJ.

799
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: Watt.

800
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 4: And yet the coach near the sidelines, like take him

801
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: off the field. Alex Heisman is going back, and Alex

802
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: Heisman is a good player, but TJ. Wall has a

803
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: nick Hob excuse me, has a different level of juice

804
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: coming off the ball.

805
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one.

806
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: There was one snap I remember citing earlier this season

807
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: where I saw, you know, they're sending the help to

808
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: Herbig and Watt's on the field and what makes a

809
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: big play. And I was like, that's that's pretty cool

810
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 3: that like her Big is setting up lot and it

811
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: really says a lot.

812
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Who else do you got? Shock?

813
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: So I found myself in this exercise kind of falling

814
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: on a bunch of rookies. And maybe it's just because

815
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm like aspirational when it comes to this, and I'm

816
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: optimistic and I just like to project outward. But like

817
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: I look at both of the Falcons rookie edge rushers,

818
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: which they spent two first round picks on, which we

819
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: can argue about whether that was good for them long term,

820
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: and I kind of mix and match between the two,

821
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Like I have Jalen Walker here because he's more consistent

822
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: than James Pierce, but then James Pierce has also had

823
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: a sack in each of his last five games. I'm

824
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: not like a sacks driven guy or anything, but I

825
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: do like the what Walker kind of brings to the

826
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: table that you're able to project outward because he's just

827
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: just very consistent. He's a PFF had a grading article

828
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: the other day where they said he's one of the

829
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: lowest negatively graded players in the rookie class, which I

830
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: think bodes really well for you long term. That even

831
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: if you're not showing up in the metrics or maybe

832
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: it's not a per play basis where you're making a difference,

833
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: disrupting the p or anything else, as long as you

834
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: can put together consistent reps as a rookie, I think

835
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: that bodes really well for you long term. So when

836
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: you kind of dive into that he looks better and

837
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: more reliable on a snap by snap basis. Then you

838
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: pair that with Pierce, who has become more productive over

839
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: the last month and a half, and I like the

840
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: direction that they're headed in, even if they're maybe headed

841
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: for a regime change as well.

842
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: You got on the falcons for this trade. Ali.

843
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 3: A lot of people did not the Jalen Walker pick,

844
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 3: but going for Pierce it kind of reminds me of

845
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: the Pelicans trade for any NBA fans out there, where

846
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: everyone absolutely killed them for trading away there first for

847
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: Derek Queen, and that was a bad trade. And yet

848
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: Derek Queen is looking pretty good. Has Pierce convinced you

849
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: at all that this trade wasn't completely insane.

850
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 4: Not in the slightest No. I respect Shook's opinion mightily,

851
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: as you know. I still think he's a one track player,

852
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 4: and he is getting a tremendous amount of scheme protection

853
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: and scheme help. And if he was just left in

854
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: a one on one assignment in a downfall defense, I

855
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: think he would get swallowed up and he'd have the

856
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: three or four splash plays because he move off the

857
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: ball like a few people in the NFL.

858
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: Jalen Walker, though Choke's pig.

859
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: I've told you before, I think we're dealing with something

860
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 4: unbelievably special with this guy. I think he moves differently.

861
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: The brain is a completely different speed to most rookies

862
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: you see playing the block recognition, block destruction, as all

863
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 4: these guys speak about in the offseason. To these young guys,

864
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: no one sees it, reads it, and kills it as

865
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: quick as this guy as a rookie. So you add

866
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: that to then the physical makeup, which is all the

867
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: potential is like a put the hand of the dort

868
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: and get after it pass Russia.

869
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: I think he's a truly, truly special which.

870
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: Is crazy because they're asking him to do a lot

871
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: of new things. But maybe you guys are more college

872
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: guys than me. Maybe Kirby, I don't know. Maybe that

873
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: defense is so crazy that they're somehow mentally prepared to

874
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 3: do a lot of different things in the NFL.

875
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

876
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: There's a reason how he Roseman keeps going back to

877
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: the Georgia Well to get defenders. And it's not just

878
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, a circumstances. It's these players come NFL ready

879
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: and they tend to be specimens. They're four and five

880
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: star recruits. They spend three four years in Kirby's defense.

881
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: They're ready, and you pair that with the athleticism, the

882
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: natural talent, and you see why they produce as a

883
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 1: rookie like Walker.

884
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 4: Has who else you got Ali, I've got josh heinz Allen,

885
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: who probably is not slightly as underrated now, but I

886
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 4: don't think he's being discussed quite the level he's reached.

887
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: Now he has the same number of quick pressures this

888
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: year as Miles Garrett. Now Garrett has all the sacks

889
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: and all the finishing and all the holy bleep did

890
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: he just do that moments that josh heines Allen doesn't

891
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: quite play that way. He's a bit more structured in

892
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: the rush, so you can kind of like go past

893
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: you if you don't have these, you know, breaking through

894
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 4: a triple team as Miles Garrett did against the Patriots,

895
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 4: if that's not quite there to like go viral or whatever.

896
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: But in terms of consistent down to down production, he

897
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 4: has just become a complete forceome menace. I watched last

898
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: weekend him throw Quintin Nelson into the backfield and on

899
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: the safety play that Riley Lennon had, that's josh heinz

900
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 4: Allen coming in on the stun and flattening there. He

901
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: goes throwing Quinton Nelson to the ground, give me the quarterback.

902
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 4: So his burst, his speed to power. As I said,

903
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: he's still kind of a in the bottom type pastorship,

904
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: but that buck is pretty dunproductive.

905
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: He also, you know, signed a contract in the twenty

906
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 3: twenty four offseason, which is aging very well, like they

907
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: do if you make them long enough. I know it's

908
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: like an average per year over thirty four and a half,

909
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: but the first few years is very reasonable.

910
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: And he's done something which I think is very hard

911
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: to do.

912
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: He has probably been the Jaguars best player for three

913
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: years straight, like three four years straight, not just on defense,

914
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: just who is a better player on the jack like

915
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: he has been the best player for their franchise for

916
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: a number of years straight. And that kind of consistency

917
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: is awesome. And and you're right, he doesn't get thought

918
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: of as much. Who else should I should we just

919
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: throughout little names? If do you have any other guy?

920
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: I have a name? And going back to the rookies again,

921
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: Donovan Azeraku in Dallas with the Cowboys. I love what

922
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: he's shown so far. I think his trajectory not quite limitless,

923
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: but pretty close. You know, he's good at pressuring quarterbacks,

924
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: he's good at run stopping like he's gonna be one

925
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: of the top rookies of this class. And I think

926
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: that while we have spent so much time talking about

927
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: how they got rid of Mike Parsons and everything else,

928
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: I think they've done a fairly good job of reconstructing

929
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: that front, and as a rock is going to be

930
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: a key part of it.

931
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 5: He has really blurry speed.

932
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: He does have a little bit of the thing where

933
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: if you're just really active of your hands and you

934
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: move a lot, it looks like you're doing an awful amount,

935
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: where sometimes better just be like controlled and understand what

936
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: you're doing. But I admire the hustle. I admire his

937
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 4: game an awful lot. The other guy I would throw

938
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: in there will be Aya Dabi, who I think is

939
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: in this Josh Haines Allen mode where it's like big, physical,

940
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 4: imposing and attack the inside shoulder from out to in

941
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: all power rush, and that is so incredibly valuable if

942
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 4: you can get someone with real speed up the arc

943
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: off the other side. And I think we saw it

944
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 4: early in the season when Hassan Reddick was healthy, how

945
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: different the books front look is at this like perfect

946
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: blend of a guy who goes out to win and

947
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: a guy who swoops around the arg And you kind

948
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 4: of have to build a pass rushing package together with

949
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: all the different skill sets. Not everyone's going to be

950
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, Micah Parsons and be able to do every

951
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: single thing for you, but Dabi is an incredibly effective

952
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 4: valuable passwords.

953
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: Show yeah the Abby with with the Buccaneers, he's been

954
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 3: good Byron Young has had a breakout season for the

955
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Rams as an edge who's pretty good on on every down.

956
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: And he's going to get a nice contract if it's

957
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: if it's not from the Rams. And then just a

958
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: shout to my beloved over the years, DeMarcus Lawrence, still

959
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: getting it done. You can pick a lot of Seahawks

960
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: really dark Larrence. Derek Hall is an interesting player who's

961
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 3: just a really good player and very powerful. So's Lawrence.

962
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: They they're different and yet they kind of remind me

963
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: of each other. And so those guys have been underrated too.

964
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: Let's go to the interior. We'll wrap it up here, Ali,

965
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: who do you like?

966
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with a guy I think was

967
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: on your old Vibes team.

968
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 4: I'm going to go with Kobe Turner from the Rams

969
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: and I watch him and I think that he's kind

970
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 4: of the spiritual successor not quite this level. They'll want

971
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: to be too hyperbolic just because of plays I love watching,

972
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 4: but in kind of play style and how he sees

973
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: and views and executes the game, to cam Heywood, where

974
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: it's a lot of lateral quicks, it's a lot of

975
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 4: smart it's a lot of understanding the angles and throwing

976
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: guys the other way, and he's really quick moving laterally.

977
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 4: That's kind of way he makes most of his money.

978
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: But there's a real different level of understanding in tight

979
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: confined spaces of how to play, how to address a block,

980
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 4: how to free guys up to the limans of the

981
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: wolf and go and get paid you know, Lemish maybe

982
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: for you know, to a couple of dollars his way

983
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: for that contract. He's an absolute molar and killer inside.

984
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: And and such a nice guy off the field, which

985
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: is why he made the Vibes team.

986
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: Like just you you.

987
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: Never know what, like the personality change is gonna be,

988
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: but he just seems like a fun loving guy who

989
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: loves to be out there playing ball.

990
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: And he's like he's a wrecking ball. Who do you

991
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: got shook?

992
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: I try to kind of dig deep on this just

993
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: because underrated. I wanted people that, like, you know, I

994
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: run to a guy at the gym and he's talking

995
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: to me about his team and like, yeah, but did

996
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: you notice this guy in your team? They're like, no,

997
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: I know his number though, and I'm going Jalen Redman,

998
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle for the Vikings. He has had a

999
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: phenomenal season. Now, I know that they've had their struggles,

1000
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: but it seems on a week to week basis, he

1001
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: is always making a play in the backfield. He is

1002
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: stuffing the run. He's sixth among all defensive tackles according

1003
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: next Gen in run stops. His quarterback pressure percentage is

1004
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: near ten percent, which, as we know, that's pretty difficult

1005
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: to achieve as a defensive tackle if your name is

1006
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: not Aaron Donald. And he's like right somewhere between Videvea

1007
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: and John Franklin Myers in that category, which tells me,

1008
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: first year in the NFL, you're gonna have quite a

1009
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: good career. Not to mention, he's just a load, like,

1010
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: he's a guy that plays with tenacity and unbridled enthusiasm

1011
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: where he's just going at one hundred miles an hour

1012
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: all the time, and he's producing big plays as a result.

1013
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, on a front that

1014
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: they also added like Jonathan Allen and everything, Redman's been

1015
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: the star and I think he's going to be continued

1016
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: to be a star. For them for years to come.

1017
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: I love like the no name defensive tackles. I'll just

1018
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: throw out, like the guys on the Texans, they're.

1019
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: Kind of nice.

1020
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: Yes, this is one of mine too.

1021
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, just go go togy I, set Tim Settle

1022
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: whoever whoever you want.

1023
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was all TOGII. This is a guy who

1024
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: came from Ohio State, who started with the Browns, who

1025
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: I thought had a lot of potential in really solid

1026
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: field in Cleveland. And he he's another guy where he's

1027
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: just on a week two week basis. You watched the

1028
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: Texans and suddenly out of nowhere, it's Tommy Togia I

1029
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: making a play and then it's a test of Ken

1030
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: the broadcaster properly pronounced his last name. There's a lot

1031
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: of guys won't, but he just consistently is in the backfield.

1032
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: He's great against the run, and he's another player that

1033
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: just plays with violence and desire that is just like

1034
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: never limited. And I think it's also because of the

1035
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: depth that they have up front that he's able to

1036
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: do that. But man, in so many key spots there's

1037
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: Tommy Togia, the old Buckeye, making a difference.

1038
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: Holly, who do you got on your for your interior guys?

1039
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 4: The last one I'm gonna go with. I went through

1040
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: about five or six different names. I'm gonna go with

1041
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: Maliite Collins from the Browns because he just got shut

1042
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: down for the season and I'm not sure we've ever

1043
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 4: seen a tenth year breakout stuff a guy who've just

1044
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 4: waited on and waited on on.

1045
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: Wait.

1046
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 4: I know he went to Kobe Bryant's clinic in Germany.

1047
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: Web it did some kind of blood spitting, but he

1048
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 4: came back with a level of burst off the ball

1049
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: I've never seen him play with, which you've waited for

1050
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: every ten years we've waited for this coming out of college,

1051
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 4: say is that player ever gonna make it in the NFL?

1052
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 4: He gets to Cleveland, they just say, hey, don't worry

1053
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 4: about anything that we're doing over then attack the quote

1054
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: about it. That's all we care about. And his into

1055
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: play with Miles Garrett was a huge part of the

1056
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: early season success they had, and it's going to be interest,

1057
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 4: I think to see what they look like down the

1058
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: stretch now that he's out.

1059
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: Disappointing that he was going to get rewarded for that too,

1060
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: he was a free agent. Selfishly too, I'm making these

1061
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: lists and just like the Raven signed Travis Jones on Thursday,

1062
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh there's another name to cross off.

1063
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: Pretty good player, not perfect, but would have been a

1064
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: fun guy. And it's just like any one decent, You're

1065
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: just crossing them off these free agency lists. And unfortunately

1066
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: Emily Collins is going to get hurt. What you said

1067
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: you had five or six that the to chooser, I mean,

1068
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: you could give me so give us some rapid fire,

1069
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: even if they're not the official selections.

1070
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: Give give some people some love.

1071
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 4: I mean, we could keep going down with Christian Balmer

1072
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: and the bounce back year in New England after he's

1073
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: been being through health wise as being sensational. Claiuz Campbell,

1074
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 4: I don't think still quite recognizing. Obviously he's a ginormous name,

1075
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 4: but what he's doing in the production he's pinning up

1076
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: in that unit this season, to me is just out

1077
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: of control. You mentioned Tim Settle was a guy I

1078
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 4: had on my long list. I like going with with

1079
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: someone on that defensive line because everyone else gets all

1080
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: the credit on that defense, including my you know, great

1081
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: love Jalen Petree who is the glue that holds everything together.

1082
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: But having that rotation of guys in the interior to

1083
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 4: collapse the pocket up front is kind of what helps

1084
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: those two superstars on the outside out.

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Speaker 1: I got one more. We're gonna go over to New York.

1086
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to the Jets, a team that doesn't

1087
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: have a lot to smile about. Joan Briggs has had

1088
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: an excellent year for them in the interior. He's another

1089
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: guy like Togya that just consistently makes plays. He's kind

1090
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: of fits closer to the h Jalen Redmond mold. And

1091
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: maybe it's because he also is a former Brown And

1092
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: I've just had my eye on interior defensive lineman with potential.

1093
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: But I swear man every week. He seems to be

1094
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: one of the shining stars of this front. And there

1095
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of them at this point. I mean,

1096
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: there were more on the edge than the interior. But

1097
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: he just consistently blows plays up. He splits double teams,

1098
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: he splits you know, zones games. He's got an innate

1099
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: sense for what's going on in front of him, and

1100
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: then he uses his strength and his power to finish

1101
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: plays off. I really like where he's headed in his career.

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00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: I like that vigorous head nod from Ali when he

1103
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: heard Juwan Briggs.

1104
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: This is proof. It's the Saturday SIKO Show.

1105
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: Eric had Jwan Briggs tape ready, A national show is

1106
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 3: talking Juwan Briggs.

1107
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: Why the vigorous headshake.

1108
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: I just did a deep evaluation of him this week.

1109
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: I gotta believe show brought him up. It's so exciting. Yeah,

1110
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: I can't believe how good and impactful he is. Down

1111
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 4: to down now, there are some reps in the run game.

1112
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 4: He tries to split every double team and sometimes you

1113
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: do that and you get dog walked back into the linebacker.

1114
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: You are yeah, yeah, black, that's just the life you live.

1115
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: But he has really he has top end juice for it,

1116
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: like undersized interior linemen. And I can't believe they just

1117
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 4: kind of they lose Quinn Williams. He has replaced the

1118
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: production Quinn Williams was giving to the Jets. Quinn's obviously

1119
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 4: a significantly better player and is more impactful with the Cowboys,

1120
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 4: but the production he was actually offering the team early

1121
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: in the season has been replaced by Briggs.

1122
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 5: That was not something I was expecting.

1123
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: You know, Darren Mugie their GM weird offseason, but he

1124
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: has had a lot of good trades that he was

1125
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: a trade pick up. They by basically gave up nothing

1126
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: to hear. They picked up Harris and Phillips in a

1127
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: trade like he's been pretty useful like for them. And

1128
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: then you know the Sauce Gardner trade, that was like

1129
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 3: a little bit of a luckier that. You know, the

1130
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 3: Colts traffick is getting better and better. But I think

1131
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: he did pretty well in the Quinn Williams and Sauce

1132
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: Garter trade. So Darren Moogie getting it done. I was

1133
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: listening to the All phl Y podcast. They were talking

1134
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: about who was their defensive MVP this year and they

1135
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 3: had Jordan Davis on the podium.

1136
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, he could.

1137
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: That seems a little a little much, but it has

1138
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: been the best Jordan Davis season certainly. Eventually, I think

1139
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: they settled on Yes, Cooper Deen Quinian Mitchell are better

1140
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 3: players and more valuable, but in terms of like beating

1141
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 3: expectations for what they thought and has been really important

1142
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 3: to them, Jordan Davis has had a nice year. And

1143
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: then an annual guy I always think is undert there

1144
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: always like a couple of guys like this that they

1145
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: just float around, they sign late, or just team brings

1146
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 3: them back in the last seconds, like day Quon Jones

1147
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: for the Buffalo Bills, Like you just put them back

1148
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: in there and he'll eat some innings for you and

1149
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: he'll be totally solid. And he's like been doing that

1150
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: his entire Career's like one of those guys never gets

1151
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: any respects.

1152
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 2: A little love for Daque.

1153
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one more shout out Tierre Tart with

1154
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: the Chargers. I told you there are multiple Chargers here.

1155
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: I just love what he's done this year. I love

1156
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: the way he started this season battan down passes against

1157
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in Week one, and his grades are really

1158
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: good too. And he's another guy that, like you got

1159
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: to have to watch closely to see the difference that

1160
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: he makes. But I'm a big fan. I don't know.

1161
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just I'm partial to big interior lineman who

1162
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: blow things up and make a difference that nobody really

1163
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: pays attention to. That might just be my thing, I.

1164
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: Think it's everyone's thing.

1165
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: It we're dangerously close to just like a naming some

1166
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: guys podcast.

1167
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: There's nothing that's excited to be mold and being on

1168
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 4: a Dude's Naming Guys podcast with Nick Schoke, that's like

1169
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: all I ever.

1170
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 5: Wanted in my career. It's finally happened.

1171
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 4: The last couple of names I would just like to

1172
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 4: read out to you is the Denver Broncos guys get

1173
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: I feel like zero love nationally. It's just it's just

1174
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: penciled in that they are great. Vance gets a lot

1175
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 4: of the credit, and deservedly so because he just operates

1176
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: at a different level to most people in the league.

1177
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: But you look through their roster, how deep they run,

1178
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 4: the volume of packages they run, and how those guys

1179
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 4: got to the team. One of them is just obviously

1180
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: Zach Allen comes with Vans. It's like if I'm coming

1181
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: to Denver, Zach is coming with me, or I'm not

1182
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: taking the gig. But the rest of it is all

1183
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: these undrafted guys. However, we mentioned justin Strnad earlier is

1184
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 4: a late round pick. It's McMillan, it's Singleton, it's Tilman,

1185
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: it's Roach. It's just all these undrafted guys leading this

1186
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 4: historic level of defense. And yes, they've got Benito and

1187
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: Cooper in these absolute speeds is off the edge. But

1188
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: the pieces that tied together are all these just well coached,

1189
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 4: well drilled, nowhere to be type players.

1190
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to see what they look like

1191
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: in this stretch run where they have like very difficult

1192
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: game after very difficult game. It starts on Sunday against

1193
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 3: the Packers. That's the next time will be in your

1194
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 3: feed for the big time week whatever we have fifteen

1195
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: recap the retron has started thanks to Ali, thanks to Shook.

1196
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: Glad we got you tube together, made this magic happen.

1197
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: But we can do it again. We can do another

1198
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: name that some guys podcast, Ali and Shook. We will

1199
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: see you on Sunday night. Shook will be there with myself,

1200
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: Jordan and Patrick. We will see them