1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri with you, 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: Hugh Newman Back with Us. He was last on the 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: program almost two years ago. He's a World Explorer conference organizer, author, 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: tour host. He is a regular guest on Ancient Aliens, Unexplained, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Forbidden History, Ancient Civilizations and other television shows. He is 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: the author of Go Beckley Teppe in Katahan Tepe, the 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: world's first megaliths, earth grids stone circles, and co author 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: at Jim Vieira of Giants on Record and the Giants 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: of Stonehenge in Ancient Britain. He also contributed to megaliths 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: studies in Stone, Sensing the Earth in Geomancy. He lives 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: next to Stonehenge in the United Kingdom. You welcome back, Hove, 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: you Ben. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 3: I'm very good, George. How are you good? 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: Looking forward to this? How did you get interested in these. 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: Megaliths that actually came through Crop Circle? Was actually way 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: way back twenty five years ago. They kept turning up 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 3: and it kind of drew me into the megalithic landscape 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: in Wiltshire and cornwall other places, and yeah, I became hooked, 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: became a megalith' maniac, and that was that. 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: What did you conclude about crop formations? Those things amaze me. 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: They're doing, they keep coming as well, they're still coming over. 23 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: There was plenty of this year's like twenty five or 24 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: so this year. But yeah, they're fascinating. And the interesting 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: thing about them is that they're located so close to 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: these stone circles and megaliths and ancient earthworks and long 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: barrows and everything else. And they even in code similar 28 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: geometries and measurements as you get in the stone circles. 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, they're pretty amazing. But you know, and they 30 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 3: go back as well, just like the megaliths do. There's 31 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: a prehistory of them. 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: Do you think they're et created? 33 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: Could well be. I mean some of them are difficult 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: to explain. There's lots of sightings associated with them. Who knows. 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: I used to tell researchers that if you had one 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: hundred crop formations, in ninety nine of them were made 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: by man. There's the one you can't explain. That's the story. 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, you're right, Yeah, that's it. I mean, 39 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: even if a tiny percentage can't be explained, and you 40 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: still have that today. Even it's quite strange. I mean, 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: you know, people kind of tend to know who makes 42 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: certain ones, but actually there's still some of them are 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 3: still very much unexplained. 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 2: You wrote a book called Go Beckley Teppee and Ketahan Teppe, 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: the World's First Megaliths. Let's talk about each site first 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: of all, where they are and what they are in 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: your opinion, go ahead with Go Beckley Teppy. 48 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: Beckley Teppee has become, you know, one of the main 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 3: sites in Turkey to visit. This dates back to eleven 50 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: thousand and six hundred years ago, this is the dating 51 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: they get now. And they found a whole bunch of circular, 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: oval or elliptical shapes sort of like stone circles, but 53 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: the pillars are beautifully carved t shaped pillars. Then you 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: have two giant ones in the middle as well, and 55 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: much of this is like carved out of limestone, beautiful 56 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: relief carvings on it. And they excavated about what five 57 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 3: to ten percent of the site. So they've got about 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: five or six of these so called stone circles already excavated, 59 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: but there's up to about fifteen more that haven't yet 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 3: been excavated. This is just one site, and what they 61 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: found there is is really quite remarkable. Is the new 62 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: discovery is still being made there. And because the site 63 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: appeared to have been deliberately covered over, it's hard to 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: kind of excavate. You've got to remove all this rubble 65 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: and stone, but there's geometrist coming out of them, and 66 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: there's specific measurement systems. There's remarkable alignments and very abstract 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: artistic design in three relief on these stones. Now, people 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: weren't supposed to be doing this back then. It was 69 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: supposed to be happening till Egypt, like six or seven 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: thousand years later, and so you've got to imagine, you know, 71 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: we're talking about like twenty stone hinges in one site, 72 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: and now they think there's at least twelve of these 73 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 3: sites in total, possibly even more so. Quebecley Teppe is 74 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: really just the tip of the iceberg. 75 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: Does it look like the stones were moved or carved in. 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: Place in Quebecy Tepee. They've got they found the quarry 77 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 3: site nearby but half a mile away, so they were 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: carving them on the kind of plateau there on which 79 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: is near Channelerfa in southeast Turkey, near Anti Taurus Mountains, 80 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: and so they know they were relatively local, but they 81 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 3: still had to carve them out solid. 82 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: Rock and move them over. 83 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: And move them over. And some of them were talking 84 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: like between five and ten tons at least some of 85 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: them could be good way more. They're now finding bigger 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: and bigger stones like we're seeing at Carahan Tape for instance. 87 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: And yeah, it does you know, it just shouldn't have 88 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: been happening at this time. Even this sophistication isn't really 89 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: evident in the stone circles of Britain some seven thousand 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: years later. And so you know where did that, You know, 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: where did these ideas, this innovation, this style come from. 92 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: By looking at it, you what would you say it's purposes? 93 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 3: Well, it comes to be Becley Teppe. They I think 94 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: it's multiple purpose. I think is as Klaus Schmidt, it 95 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: was the original German archaeologist to kind of discover the 96 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: site in the mid nineties. He said, for a long 97 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: time these were like temples, and this has now been 98 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: changed by the new archaeologists that have come into Unfortunately, 99 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: Klaus Schmidt died a few years ago and they're now 100 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: claiming it's a kind of domestic dwelling where people were 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 3: starting to live, where hunter gatherers started to kind of 102 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: settle and start to grow food and things like this. 103 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: But to me, when you look at the site, you 104 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: can see these highly decorated, ritualistic, almost shamanic sites. They're 105 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: not just for people to hang out in or live there. 106 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: This is something else. So it's definitely a ceremonial aspect 107 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: to it. But also all the symbols seem to point 108 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: to astronomy and even astrology in some cases, so it 109 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: could have been an observatory, could also have been a 110 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: place where pilgrims would go, could be a memory space 111 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: where they're holding all the knowledge of their culture in 112 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: one place. And I think it was an innovation and 113 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: teaching center, almost like a unit the first university. So 114 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: it all this adds up to something quite remarkable. 115 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: Are there doorways hue where people can go into some place? 116 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 3: Well? The strange thing about the Bagley Teppi is is 117 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: that there's no clear apart from a couple of the enclosures, 118 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: there's no clear entrances. They're kind of almost like being 119 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: blocked up with walls yet some people have suggested they 120 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: may have had roofs. That's one of the theories. So 121 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 3: people would have gone through the roofs through these old 122 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: stones that were part of the roof. But on the 123 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: enclosure D an enclosure C, it does appear to be 124 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: entrances coming in from the south. They got changed over 125 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: time as though they're kind of kind of entering from 126 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: the south looking north as they approached the kind of 127 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: center of these enclosures that they may have climbed down 128 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: steps is another option. That's why they can't explain why 129 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: there's no clear doorways at ground level. But yeah, but 130 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: certainly there's there's different theories about that for sure. 131 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: Is the structure hollow or is it solid? 132 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: Well, most of the what's being excavated a Beckley teppe 133 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: is located on the bedrock, So the structures are built 134 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: upon a layer of bedrock, and then they kind of 135 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: place the stones and sert them in sockets and things 136 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: like this and balance them in place somehow. And but 137 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: some of the structure of the later structures they actually 138 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: cover over earlier enclosures, earlier kind of stone circles, and 139 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: then build upon that. So they build up on the 140 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: mound they covered it up with and so there's lots 141 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: of rebuilding, reconstructing, reorienting, I think as well when it 142 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: comes to the astronomy and astrology, and so yeah, I 143 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 3: think there's quite a lot going on there. And these 144 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: were in use for you know, a couple of thousand 145 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: years before they were kind of covered over and completely 146 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: forgotten about for about ten thousand years. 147 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: Wow, that's amazing. Let's move over to Kedahan Tepe. 148 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: Where is that Carrahan Tepe is located twenty three miles 149 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: of about thirty seven kilometers southeast of the Beckley Teppe. 150 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: It's in the Tech Tech Mountains. It's is limestone mountains, 151 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: but when he drives through their feel like you're in 152 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere. It's like a Marshall landscape and tape. 153 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: That's a modern name given to it in nineteen ninety 154 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: seven by bahten Selleic, a local archaeologist. It used to 155 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: be called Ketchley Teppi, aec Eli and Tepi, and this 156 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: is still the name of a local area. And this 157 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: is again this has only recently been excavated. Since late 158 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I've been visiting the site along with Andrew 159 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: Collins and J. J. Ainsworth since twenty fourteen before it 160 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: was excavated, and all you could see there, which is 161 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: pretty weird, it's just the tops of these T shaped 162 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: pillars popping out of the ground because they had been 163 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 3: covered over, remember like all these sites have and so 164 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: and we always wondered what was going to be discovered there. 165 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: But then when they did start excavating and what did 166 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: come out of the ground when it was eventually announced 167 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty one is absolutely mind blowing. And 168 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: it really is on par and similar to the Beck 169 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: and yet here they appear carved directly out of the bedrock. 170 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: In many cases we have kind of kind of subterranean 171 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: chambers with pillars, you know, carved directly out of the bedrock. 172 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 3: We are protruding heads coming out of wolves, and even 173 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 3: some of the tea pillars and benches on the western 174 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: edge of the main enclosure anyway at Carahan Teppe is 175 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: carved out bedrock, whereas the rest of the enclosure is 176 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: free standing tea pillars. So it's a very sophisticated site. 177 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: And they're realizing now, especially with new discoveries that have 178 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 3: come out, that it is much bigger, even bigger than 179 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: to Beckley Teppe. And this is just one of the 180 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: other sites. 181 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: How deep were they covered up? 182 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: They covered up? I mean when we were visiting Karan Tepe, 183 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: you know since twenty fourteen before it's excavated, it's covered 184 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 3: up to the tops of the tee pillars. Basically it 185 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: would have been completely covered over. 186 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: How many feet might have done that. 187 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: You're probably talking between seven and twelve feet wow, more 188 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 3: in some cases because some of these tea pillars and 189 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: now we're thinking they could be up to like at 190 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: least maybe fifteen to eighteen feet tal at Carahan tape, 191 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: so it could have been even more. They could have 192 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: had layers on over time, you know, thousands of years. 193 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 3: It kind of the tops get you know, the wind 194 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: and where that kind of blows off the top layers, 195 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 3: so things start to get exposed. And so yeah, so 196 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 3: that carry tape is really where it's happening. Now. This 197 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: is where all the new discoveries are coming out. And 198 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: you know that. I think one of the most important 199 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: things there is what's called the pillar shrine or structure 200 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: AB and this is it's six by seven meters wide, 201 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: so twenty odd feet you know, it's the shape of 202 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: a kind of egg and cut down into the ground 203 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: directly into the bedrock, and they've left these kind of 204 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: phallic shamed monoliths carved out bedrock coming out of the ground, 205 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: which is utterly unique in the area, and it kind 206 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: of blew people away when it was first discovered. And 207 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 3: since they're more discoveries and the importance of that are 208 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 3: now coming to light. Q. 209 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: Do you think these structures were buried on purpose or 210 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: were they buried by weathering. 211 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: They were buried on purpose for sure, because you can 212 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: see you can see most of the sites now that 213 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 3: they were repairing the sites. Really they were repairing them 214 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: because they must have got damaged, and then kind of 215 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: burying them really carefully, so all the stones upright in situ. 216 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: They're replacing kind of artifacts, these polys stone plates, for instance, 217 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: on some of the benches between the tea pillars, so 218 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: they were definitely covered over. In fact, the archaeologist Nesmi 219 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: Carl who running the excavation of Carahan Taeppe and Quebecu 220 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: Teppe now height he wrote a paper about this and 221 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: you completely see that in Quebecuy Teppe as well. I 222 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 3: mean it's completely completely covered up, and just that alone. 223 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: We're talking thousands of tons of earth and debris and 224 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 3: stone being moved into place to kind of to do 225 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: that job. You know. So you've got the construction of it, 226 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: you use it for a couple of thousand years, you 227 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 3: repair it, and then you bury it all together. The 228 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: amount of work, and there must have been hundreds of 229 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: people involved in this. 230 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: Why bury it? 231 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: Was it? 232 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: Were they burying it to hide it or for some 233 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: other reason. 234 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: That's a good question. That's what people are kind of 235 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: confused about, to be honest with you, because I don't 236 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: really know. I mean, they found that some of the 237 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: site of Carahan Tepe, for instance, are being deliberately damaged 238 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: kind of smashed up, and then it was buried, you know, 239 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: and it's like, hang on, I said, so, is this 240 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: a symbol of them kind of to close down the site, 241 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 3: like decommission. 242 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: It somehow something might have happened. 243 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, then they move on to maybe other areas. Maybe 244 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: something was happening they had felt like they had to 245 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: move from the area. Why that is when that we 246 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: don't know, but we know that you know, there were incoming, 247 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: you know, different people coming in from different areas. They 248 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 3: could have been trouble in the area. It could have 249 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: been to do with the climate. It could have been 250 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: to do with trouble growing food. It's now known that 251 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 3: agriculture developed just after the construction of the Becky, Therepy 252 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: and Karrahanta played the whole Neolithic Revolution, if you like, 253 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: and so, yeah, so we have to have to consider 254 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: that as a possibility. 255 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: Could they have been sacred sites and for some reason 256 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: they decided to do away with them. 257 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it could have been other people coming 258 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: in and like just wanted to destroy them, you know, 259 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: things like this. But the fact that you know, I 260 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: think they were very much sacred sites. I think they 261 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: were observatories. They were sacred sites, and maybe they just 262 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: had used them for what they needed to use them for, 263 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: and they moved onto other areas and they would build 264 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: other sites in different places. This could be the case. 265 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: There's definitely stories of migration and evidence of that now. 266 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: But the fact that you know they were observatories meant 267 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: maybe they you know, the stars and the planets and 268 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: the sun and the moon had moved from where they 269 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: wanted it to be after that, you know, so they'd 270 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: done with it. They moved on to somewhere else. So 271 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: that's one of the ideas. 272 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: Is were they buried in sand, hull or just dirt, 273 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: was a bit of both. 274 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: I think they used the local materials like rock, rubble, 275 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: different soils. There's even evidence in the pillar strife where 276 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 3: these kind of eleven pillars sticking up out of the 277 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: ground with the head sticking out of the wall that 278 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: they kind of layered it really carefully, and at the 279 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: very top they put kind of flagstones, like large flat stones, 280 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: the kind of cover it over as a final layer 281 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: if you like, and kind of preserve what was in there. 282 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: And they have found possibly stuff, possibly materials from different areas, 283 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: like people are coming in from different parts of the country. 284 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: Even so, it may have been a very special pilgrimage 285 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: place when it was in use. 286 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: In terms of widespread this, how big would it be 287 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: if you were looking at it from above. 288 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: Carrying Tepe stretches at least for a mile, I would 289 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: say a couple of Wow, a couple of kilometers if 290 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: you've stretched it across the landscape, because you've got you've 291 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: got stuff going on different hills, like to the north, 292 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: you've got Ketchley, Tepe you've got you've got sites further afield, 293 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: like seven kilometers away or five or six miles away 294 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 3: at harbort Zuvan to Pesle. And yeah, it's it's pretty big. Yeah, 295 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: I mean it's bigger than you think. It's not just 296 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: one site you can walk about in. I mean because 297 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: the large enclosed at Camerahan Teppe is twenty three meters 298 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: or seventy five feet and that's only the main one 299 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: that's been uncovered. There's a whole bunch of smaller ones 300 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: in the general area. But it stretches towards the entire 301 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 3: hill across the valley than they are realizing. And yet 302 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: it's pretty epic, and I think people are going to 303 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: realize that Quebecuy Teppe is bigger than people realize as well. 304 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing. 305 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: What is this significance view of the winter solstice alignment 306 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: at the Keddahan Teppee. 307 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing that really stunned myself and J. 308 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: J Ainsworth. We had a fascination with our chaio astronomy 309 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 3: for a long time and a series of events led 310 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: us to be there for Winter Solstice in twenty twenty 311 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 3: one December the twentieth it was at the time, and 312 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: we discovered this remarkable alignment. So there's a whole stone 313 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: which is like almost carved out of the bedrock between 314 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: the main enclosure and the pillar shrine where all these 315 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: upright pillars are carved with the bedroom and this head 316 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 3: sticking out which has got serpent scales and open mouth 317 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: on it, which is three times a size the human head. 318 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: And they what we found was is that ten minutes 319 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: after sunrise, the sun light would beam through the hole 320 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: and illuminate the stone head precisely, and it would last 321 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: and the kind of as the sun moved across the sky, 322 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: the light would come in at a slightly different anger 323 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 3: and illuminate more of the stone head and it would 324 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 3: illuminate it for forty five minutes. So clearly this was 325 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 3: designed for this purpose to mark the winter solstice. Doesn't 326 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 3: work any other time of year. The light only comes 327 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: through it hits the head at that time of year, 328 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: the most extreme southerly point of the sun in the year, 329 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: you know, going up to Christmas almost and so that 330 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: really stunned us. 331 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast am every weeknight at 332 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to coast to Coast a 333 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: m dot com for more