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Speaker 1: Lines of Times Premiere Hunting and Fishing outdoor lifestyle podcast. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm Spencer Grades. I'm really excited about today because I've

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Speaker 1: got two of my really good friends that are doing

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Speaker 1: to jump on here. Jake Bagwell fishing. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen him on social media and you're a fan at

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Speaker 1: the outdoors, might be getting into fishing. I actually think

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Speaker 1: his content is the best for like a beginner fisherman,

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Speaker 1: a novice fisherman, somebody who wants to look at baits

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Speaker 1: maybe a different way or do different things. He's a

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Speaker 1: phenomena follow he's going to jump on. And then my

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Speaker 1: buddy who's a bass master Elite Luke Palmer. He's won

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Speaker 1: a couple of times on the Elite trail. He's a

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Speaker 1: hell of a fisherman. Even better dude, he's a new

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Speaker 1: husband and a new dad over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: which has been super cool. Not having the best year

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Speaker 1: that he would want to have.

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Speaker 2: Though it's it's been a stuff part just not I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It's almost like always with the most you

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Speaker 2: have a good one, have a bad so not bas

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Speaker 2: just to look that I used to be for sure.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's because You've had a couple of

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Speaker 1: life changes outside of fishing, and maybe that's playing into

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Speaker 1: it a little bit or now.

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Speaker 2: Now I don't think so. I mean, yeah, obviously missed

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Speaker 2: being home a lot more now than I ever had,

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Speaker 2: But it's just, you know, I'm still around the fish

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Speaker 2: to do well, and it's just like it doesn't happen,

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Speaker 2: you know, instead of catching those fish. You know, one

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Speaker 2: fish a day, one fish a tournament lost is so

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Speaker 2: crucial against these guys, and I lose four or five, six, seven,

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Speaker 2: eight a tournament the same fact, So.

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Speaker 1: That's probably wearing on you. Like, I know, I'm the

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Speaker 1: type of person where if I lose a fish, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's probably a one pounder anyway, even though in the

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Speaker 1: back of my mind, I'm like, damn it, that could

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Speaker 1: have been a four or five. But yeah, you're probably

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Speaker 1: sensing like when they bite, you stick them and they

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Speaker 1: don't come up, You're like, damn it, that was a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh, that's happened, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And it's like it's a couple of top tens. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you might have watched whenever We're at heartwell and Aaron

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Speaker 2: put the real together of me losing back to back

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Speaker 2: three and a half four pounders, and that was enough

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Speaker 2: to give me almost twenty pounds that day. And I

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Speaker 2: lose by a pounds and a half, so I was

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Speaker 2: looking at, you know, another three pounds, three and a

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Speaker 2: like that, you know, have happened all year long and

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Speaker 2: just I don't know, it's just been a it's been

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Speaker 2: a grind.

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Speaker 1: How do you try to change your mindset when you

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Speaker 1: see things like that happen to go to the next tournament?

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Speaker 2: You know, I have a I've called it a shooter

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Speaker 2: mentality my whole life. Not shooter McGavin, shooter basketball. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's just you know, you can't if you miss seven

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Speaker 2: threes in a row, that doesn't mean you're not gonna

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Speaker 2: make the eighth one, right, you know, so you kind

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Speaker 2: of have to keep that set going. I've actually got

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Speaker 2: a terrible memory period anymore. And I don't like, I

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Speaker 2: can't tell you what we had for breakfast just now,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think so I think that's good and bad,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't, you know, I'll joke about it

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Speaker 2: throughout the day, Say, if Aaron's with me Saint Clair.

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Speaker 2: For instance, Aaron was with me on day two and

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Speaker 2: it was almost getting to the point of being comical

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Speaker 2: how many fish I had lost? Did it hurt beat down? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because I knew that I lost twenty one twenty two

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Speaker 2: been the difference to this week being enjoyment here fishing

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Speaker 2: instead of being stressed, right, you know, because I'd have

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Speaker 2: been sitting inside the Classic pretty easily and been fine.

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Speaker 2: But now it's like, I've got to get my crap

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Speaker 2: want to miss another Classic.

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Speaker 1: The other person that's in the studio that it's joining

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Speaker 1: me today is Jake Bagwell fishing from TikTok. He's become

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Speaker 1: a really good friend over the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: and you know, following along with him. Jake's got a

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Speaker 1: question for you, Luke.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke.

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Speaker 4: I mean you're a mister consistency, right, So what you

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Speaker 4: fish close to one hundred tournaments now and you finishing

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Speaker 4: the money I don't know what seventy percent of the time,

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Speaker 4: so to have a season like this is obviously frustrating

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Speaker 2: Now. It's it's not h you know. Even last year

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Speaker 2: I end up fifty to fifteen points, which sounds, you know,

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Speaker 2: pretty dismal, but it is for me. You know, I've

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Speaker 2: made all those class except for that point, and my

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Speaker 2: class my goal was to make a classic every single

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Speaker 2: year I fished on at least and you know, it

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Speaker 2: was a kick in the gut really, I mean, because

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Speaker 2: off the bat, you know, six years in. It's honestly,

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Speaker 2: you have a goal that you just you know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that was something I had really wanted very badly my

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Speaker 2: whole life, and to have that goal smashed, it's tough mentally.

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Speaker 2: It drains you to the core.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather have finished like eightieth in the points

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, yeah, I mean it could be one

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Speaker 2: same to me, you don't make the Classic, so that

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Speaker 2: I mean, it just it bothered me. I mean I

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Speaker 2: was pissed all off season, like it just wasn't good

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Speaker 2: as far as that aspect of fishing side, you know which,

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Speaker 2: I had my boy shoot three weeks later, so I

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Speaker 2: got lucky there. He didn't show up early during the season. Uh,

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Speaker 2: but you know that was a that was a big

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Speaker 2: life changing thing for sure, having him, uh and getting

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Speaker 2: for me. And uh so I guess that was an

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Speaker 2: uplifting side, except that kid never slept for the last

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Speaker 3: That by so you you didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 2: I wanted to bang my head off the wall most

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Speaker 2: days and nights because it was literally we get thirty

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Speaker 2: I think we were going three or four weeks right

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Speaker 1: What's it like when you when you get off the road,

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Speaker 1: do you find yourself just really diving into connect and

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Speaker 1: you know, you haven't been around your son as much

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Speaker 1: as you probably want in the first year of his life.

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Speaker 2: You know. I talked to Martin Indez and me and

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Speaker 2: him were talking one day and he said, I said, Mark,

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Speaker 2: how do you do it? You've done it for hunteen years,

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Speaker 2: He said, well, he said, you figure out what you want.

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Speaker 2: He said. When you go off fishing, you're working, he said,

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Speaker 2: but when you come home, you're a dad and a husband.

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Speaker 2: And I've kind of really taken that to heart. Whenever

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Speaker 2: I'm home, you know, I got buddies and stuff that

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Speaker 2: that husband and dad. Yeah, you know, so I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: But you know, when I'm home i'm home. You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't even fish much. Honestly, I don't unless it's

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Speaker 2: unless my dad wants to go. Hell, I don't even

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Speaker 1: Now, after the first year of your son being around,

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Speaker 1: what have you learned about being a parent that you

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Speaker 2: You can run off absolutely no sleep. I don't know how.

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Speaker 2: Your patience is tested to the max for sure. But

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Speaker 2: you know, he's got a great mom. She does fantastic

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Speaker 2: It's it's definitely a grinder, for sure. The worst one

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Speaker 2: say Dad. He says dad a lot more than he

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Speaker 2: does want. But she kind of gets but hurt of it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, she must hate that he's always on

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Speaker 2: But uh, he come out of the front like they

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Speaker 2: I was like, he said, well, he said, I remember

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Speaker 2: We lived in town and he would go fishing and

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Speaker 1: A little little Has this mean your relationship with your

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Speaker 1: of the things that he's already been through.

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Speaker 2: You know, me and dad have always had a good relationship.

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Speaker 2: You know, we worked at the hardware store together. We

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Speaker 2: you know, it's it. We've we've just got a good

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Speaker 2: relationship period. I think he might like that boy of

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Speaker 2: ours more than he ever did me though sometimes he

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Speaker 2: but he's damn sure proud of him. So it's it's

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Speaker 2: really cool seeing my dad that side of him. You know,

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Speaker 2: he was he was, He's always been. He's been a

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Speaker 2: great father, no doubt, best father figure in the world

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Speaker 2: in my opinion. You know my dad, Uh, he was,

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Speaker 2: he was a He's definitely a little tougher on me

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Speaker 2: than he will be laking for sure. So but that's

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Speaker 2: all right. It's neat watching him and my mom and

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Speaker 2: stuff with him.

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Speaker 1: So Matt Robertson just had his first kid. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that took him out of you know, practice

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be a new dad and on

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Speaker 2: Now, I haven't. I haven't got to see Matt since

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Speaker 2: we've been here, and hell, we all kind of since

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Speaker 1: There's uh, there's two different worlds that are kind of

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Speaker 1: So you're looking forward to that, Luke, when you get

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Speaker 4: It's funny landscape over here. So yeah, I'm I'm right

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Speaker 2: That side now, there was just I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: It's always the skip. The skip is what gets the attention.

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Speaker 2: They always talk about speed. But I seen Korea fishing

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Speaker 1: So it's it's wild to hear a pro who's really

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Speaker 4: It's a tough one because, I mean, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: But there's some trails that are like, hey, you fished

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Speaker 2: had my fish pet named you know well, because I fished,

432
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, you follow a tex Homa all that stuff

433
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: all the time. So there was there were several years

434
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: there that our lowest finish might have been seventh or right.

435
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: I said to a couple of guys that were ticked

436
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,239
Speaker 1: off about you know, postchet fishing and all that kind

437
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: of stuff, I said, if you're going to be mad

438
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: at Pochet, the person that you really need to be

439
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: mad at are when guides on that lake fish because

440
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: those guys are out there, I mean they're getting paid

441
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: every single day, they know exactly where to go, they've

442
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: got all the relationships, they can get any piece of

443
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: information that they want, like they're more dangerous than anybody else.

444
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: And there's guys here in Alabama who have made a

445
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: half million dollars in the course of a year on

446
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: tournament winnings just from beating up on local lakes.

447
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: Me personally, I wouldn't mind it. We don't have any

448
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 4: pros on the tent time, like they live near the

449
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 4: tent time really, but I don't mind it because I'd

450
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: like to see where I stacked up against some I mean,

451
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 4: you know, fishing there's so many variables. It's unlike any

452
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 4: other sport. There's so many variables. So just because you know,

453
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: just because Greg Hackney shows up the's ten time one day,

454
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 4: I mean he's an he would be amazing on the

455
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 4: tent time because that fits his style right, shallow water

456
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: frog fishing, flipping a jig. But you know he's never

457
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 4: been there before. I've been there a million times, so

458
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: I would like to see can I beat Greg Hackney

459
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 4: on my home pund you know, So to me, it

460
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 4: doesn't bother me so much. And when there's more those

461
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 4: determined that eye fish is not a lot of money involved.

462
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: So once you get a lot of money involved, I

463
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: can see where people you know, could have a problem

464
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: with it.

465
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: But me personally, it doesn't.

466
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 4: It doesn't bother me, I think because they, like you said,

467
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 4: they haven't been there, so they don't they don't really

468
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 4: know what's going on.

469
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I saw Lou Palmer's name pop

470
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: up on a wildcat, I think I'd be like, well,

471
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm fighting for second place.

472
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, you're probably sitting pretty good in there

473
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: right now. Everything changes, I mean, like you said, there's

474
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: so many variables. I mean, hell, I could go to

475
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: see you fall and fish a jackpot there with twenty

476
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: boats in it, and heck I might lose five fish.

477
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: Well those you know. Instead of me having fifteen towns,

478
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: now I got eleven, you know, and those guys took

479
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: my money, you know. I mean, it can happen like

480
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 2: it's you know, you might be off, you know, regardless

481
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: of basketball, golf, whatever.

482
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: You can have bad days, do guys if they beat

483
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: you in a tournament and I'm not talking about bass.

484
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like, you know, your your local pond tournaments.

485
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: Do they come up and try to rub it in

486
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: your face a little bit?

487
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: Not too much.

488
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: I got healthy.

489
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I've been around like all the tournament trails.

490
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: Meet my dad fish together, like we were known. Everybody

491
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: thought it was the husband and wife team that was

492
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: winning because my dad's name's Tammy, and everybody realized the

493
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: father and son, so like, legit, we won a tournament.

494
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: Now I don't know if we won. Anyway, we got something, yeah,

495
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: and Dad went to get it, get the prize or

496
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: whatever it was, and he had to show them his

497
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 2: idea because they were like, no, Tammy's a girl, and

498
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: he was like, no, that's my name. People at his

499
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: ID and stuff. But uh, you know, I'm I've actually

500
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: a lot of people have you know, fished against them

501
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 2: all these years. Were really are really cool. Like I

502
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: showed back up to the tournaments and they're like, hey, man,

503
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: how's it going, you know, And if I'm not there

504
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: and my dad's fishing them with one of my other buddies,

505
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: they're always asking about me and stuff. And when I won,

506
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 2: saying see, they were like hell they all had it

507
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: on their phones. Like my dad fished a tournament that

508
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: day and they were all at the weigh in and

509
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: all of them had their phones out and were watching it.

510
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 2: So you know, I've got a good relationship with them all.

511
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean because regardless if I did really well or

512
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: did terrible in the tournament, I still stuck around and talked.

513
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: To everybody as you should. I mean, you know, for

514
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: I think some guys forget this when they're at the

515
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: bass elite level or even the BPT level. But when

516
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: anybody meets you, guys, it's no different than when you

517
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: met Jason Christie for the very first time, the guy

518
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: that you look up to. And as professionals, you guys

519
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: have a little bit of I don't want to say

520
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: it's a responsibility, but it kind of is a responsibility

521
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: where you have to carry on kind of that allure

522
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: of we are the best fishermen in the world and

523
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: we have people who look up to us, from kids

524
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: all the way to people that are Jake's age and

525
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: my age. I mean, we still look at the bas

526
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: elites and we're like, damn that dude, And just like

527
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: you look at Koya, you're like Damn look out that

528
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: dude throws a spinner bait. You can find yourself just

529
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: like staring and go Jesus Christ, that guy's good. So

530
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: at some point, like it's cool that you talk to

531
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: people because that's part of the job.

532
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know. And that's one thing I really

533
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: enjoy meeting people. You know, I was in the hardware business,

534
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, I talk to people every single day, and

535
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: that was my job. People come in just to be yes,

536
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, so getting to meet kids and stuff. Whenever

537
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: I was driving Saint Clair, I pulled into a Wally's.

538
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. I mean, it was

539
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: just some random gas station. Pulled in and come out

540
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: there and this guy was a boy. He's h on

541
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: my boat and he said, do you fish Elite? Serious?

542
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: I said yeah. He said, well my daughters just started

543
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: fishing and stuff, and and the hell they come over

544
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: and I took a picture with him and talked to

545
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: him there for ten minutes, you know, And I think

546
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: they went out the next day and his daughter fished

547
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: Determent and she wonted. That was one of her first

548
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 2: ones to fish. So it was they send me picture

549
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: and stuff. So it was really cool to, you know,

550
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: to who knows you. That might've been somebody that you

551
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: know needed to pick me up or just someone to

552
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: talk to. And you know that was that and I

553
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: just happened to be there, So it was that's the

554
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: that's the part that I actually probably looked forward to

555
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: more than the fishing anymore, is that side of it.

556
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean you obviously got that young girl to win.

557
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: You gave her the juice, you gave her like some

558
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: some extra bait, and you were just like, this is

559
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: what's going to win it for you. Yeah, we've seen

560
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: we've seen kind of in a explosion in fishing, and Jake,

561
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: I know you've seen this in the influencing side. But

562
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: these different baits that are coming out, like these Japanese baits,

563
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: and they're all look kind of crazy and all that.

564
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: What were the baits when you were younger that you

565
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: guys would put together and rig a completely different way,

566
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: maybe the not normal way, but they still caught fish

567
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: and it was kind of your secret for a while.

568
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's a fun one.

569
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: What was yours? Jake?

570
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 4: So we back home, we fished a ton of like redshad,

571
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 4: green plate culprit worms. We fished a bunch of flukes

572
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: and you know a shar church pepper lizard, zoom lizard

573
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: and my favorite way, So people would always throw everything

574
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: on a Texas shrik. You know, everybody, all my buddies,

575
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: they're also everything on texta shrik. I threw everything weightless

576
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: like I would throw I would throw a lizard weightless,

577
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: and I mean, I know it's no secret, it's not

578
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 4: a secret. And then I would like if we were

579
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: fishing clean water, I would always nozok my fluke because

580
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: I just had I just had more fun.

581
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: Though, way, I never lost my buddies. You're losing them now.

582
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 4: I wasn't losing because I was no soaking flick, which

583
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: is something that obviously.

584
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: They do now that's how we do it on Lanier, right,

585
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Like if you fish, it's nose hooking up.

586
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: Back then, I had never seen anybody do that, right, Like,

587
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 4: why are you looking at it like that? Well, man,

588
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: you've lost your last two fish. I've caught my last seven,

589
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: so you know, so how about you no soak yours?

590
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: You know, Luke, did you get did you get pretty

591
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: crafty when you were younger or maybe even now where

592
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: you come up with something that's just a little different spencer.

593
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: You've seen my boat, you see, and it's about all

594
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: I threw. I don't I've never been a I don't

595
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: want to say tweaker because that sounds terrible, but like

596
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,479
Speaker 2: as far as messing with baits and stuff like that,

597
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: I've never been that guy.

598
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: You know.

599
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: That's that's the way I look at it. Like we

600
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: we had Brock Mosley on the podcast and we were

601
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: talking to him and he was in a tournament. He

602
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm getting shorts struck on all these

603
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: swim jig fish. So he put a trailer hook on

604
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: there and he started sticking him and he's like, a

605
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: trailer hooked is something you would never think about doing

606
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: on a swim jig. But there's a lot of guys

607
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: that are like, well, that's maybe how you should do

608
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: it every once in a while.

609
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you do it on a buzz bait and

610
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: a spinner bait.

611
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: So why not, right, I mean, I think you get

612
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: hung up a lot more.

613
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: But I mean, which a lot of times you're getting

614
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: short strips of swim jig, you're probably more of a

615
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: round docks and stuff like that, not so much straight

616
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: bad stuff. But now I've never really I guess my

617
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: thing is is I messed with weight sizes more than

618
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: I do anything else. You know, when I was at Sante,

619
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: I was catching him on a quarter. Well, I had

620
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: a quarter five sixteenes and three eighths rigged up, and

621
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: it took me a bit to figure it out. Like

622
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: it was the difference of what weight they wanted that

623
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: day and how fast they would eat it. Like you

624
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: could throw a five sixteenth in there three times on

625
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: the bed and they would just kind of nudget. You

626
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: throw that quarter in there and it was like boom instantly.

627
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: So that's really the only thing that I messed with,

628
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: you know, and color a little bit, but yeah, yeah,

629
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: it was a fault rate, and I think the main

630
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: was a color situation too, if you gotta when you

631
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: find the right color. But you know, we figured that

632
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: out with with forward face and stuff, like you can

633
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: tell when they want a color when they don't, and

634
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: UH learned that. And then once once the fall rate

635
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: got figured out on it, it was like night and day.

636
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: Like I've never seen something. It was like difference throwing

637
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: a spinner bait and a jig. That's how much difference

638
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: it was as far as in fishery. So, uh, that's

639
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: one thing which you know, flip and shallow cover. That's

640
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: what I've done my whole life. And if you watch

641
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: on forward face and you throw a quarter out there,

642
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: how fast it falls and you throw it. You know,

643
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: we used to think you've got to throw a half

644
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: ounce to get a reaction track. Well, hell, a half

645
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: ounce and two foot of water is like a kiss

646
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: missile going to the bottom. Yeah, you know, and even

647
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: a quarter though you flip a quarter up there, a

648
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: quarterfall is pretty damn fast too, you know. So it's

649
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: just a that's the that's the game I've really and

650
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: I didn't notice it much until Santee Cooper the year

651
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: I came in fourth. It wasn't even the year. I

652
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: want is a year coming forth when I learned that.

653
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: And it had taken me up to that point, because

654
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: up to that point I knew two sides, half and half.

655
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: That was it.

656
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: You know, I throw a half ounce a jig, or

657
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: I throw a half ounce jig, because that's that's just

658
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: what I did. You know, I didn't think about fall, right,

659
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: I said, I want that thing that dropped in front

660
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: of their face. So I can make another flip is

661
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: all I was doing. And uh, learning to throw a

662
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: little bit lighter weight or you know, a little bit

663
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: heavier weight. Figuring that out has changed my flipping game

664
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: a lot. It's not that we get to flip much

665
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: anymore because we don't go any places to bushes and

666
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: then we go to ten Killer. Ten bushes, My dumb

667
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: masses out open, they're coming.

668
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: So when you go back and you see a tournament

669
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: like ten Killer, when you know you're you're a flipping

670
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: type of guy that would be in your your strong suit,

671
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: and you see how the guys were catching them, do

672
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,280
Speaker 1: you kick yourself?

673
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I went and the first day I went

674
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: up there and I caught a limit flipping in no time.

675
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: And uh, but I was like, man, if I can,

676
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: if it'll happen out deep, it's going to go down.

677
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Like I know they're out there, And uh, I fished

678
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: ten Killer a few times prior to that, and the

679
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: water had got up in the bushes and they yanked

680
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: it out. So that's what I was banking on happening

681
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 2: during the tournament. So I didn't spend but like half

682
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: a day flipping because I knew it was going to change. Well,

683
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was going to rang six inches

684
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: and the lake was going to come back up, and

685
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: I was just too hard headed the golfer and do

686
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: that because everybody and their dog was flipping. So you

687
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: just had to go. You just had a golfer and

688
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: put your head down and flip. Because I can name

689
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: a billion times that I have went down two stretches

690
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: of bushes that you follow, and I have flipped them

691
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: all day long behind myself. So what's the difference going

692
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: behind someone that right? You know? And I just didn't

693
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: play the head game as much and was trying to

694
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: trying to do too much, you know, instead of just hey,

695
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: this is my strength, this is what I'm going to do,

696
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, just go do it.

697
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: You would assume though, if the water is coming up

698
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: like another two feet and you got all those bushes

699
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: that that flipping by what had become stronger?

700
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: Now I did it did, and I just could see

701
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: it was it fell. It was like eight seven or

702
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: so feet high, and they dropped it to like four

703
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: feet and it was still coming down. Well then it

704
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: rained again and it come back up, and uh so

705
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: it was just those fish were getting set there because

706
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: they were coming to the edges, you know, as they're

707
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: pulling the water so much, and then the water kind

708
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: of they could stabilize it, you know, and it was

709
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: coming up a little bit, so then fish they didn't

710
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: have to leave, they could stay there. And they'd been

711
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: in the bushes pretty much all year long, because Oklahoma

712
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: seemed like it had been flooded since February.

713
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: So you, being a Mississippi guy, Jake is flipping kind

714
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: of year deal.

715
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean that's how we grew up fishing.

716
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: And things have changed now with us having base rings

717
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 4: and Pickwick really Pickwick mostly close by. I mean, you know,

718
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: flat gravel bars and stuff like that play huge now

719
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: that you're able to see them. But and you know,

720
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 4: we grew up fishing ledges too, But for the most part,

721
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: we're a fishing shallow. We were we were flipping bushes

722
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: and I remember that my first trip to New Johnsonville,

723
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: kentuckulate flipping bushes. That was it for me. I was like,

724
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 4: I'm never doing anything again. I'm just kidding. I'm laying

725
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: the flipping six on the deck and that's all I'm doing.

726
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: Would you guys say that that's the best bite in fishing,

727
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: then it's called flipping bike because it is pretty it

728
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: is pretty sweet.

729
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: I like them all. I like them all, man, I'll

730
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: take you out of them.

731
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: I know everybody says.

732
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: I know everybody says they'll take any of them. But

733
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: watching a frog bite, even even a half ounce jig,

734
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: and when you feel them bite that on the bottom,

735
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is when they bite a jig.

736
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: They just seem to bite those things harder and you

737
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: set the hook. It's that power. As soon as you know,

738
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: it's in the top of their mouth.

739
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's a dick.

740
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 4: That's how I've been catching the lately is on a jig.

741
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: And in the past two months it's just man, I've

742
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 4: literally got four jigs on my deck and anytime I

743
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 4: can put four jigs on the on the front deck

744
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 4: and and.

745
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: I'm gay, let's go right.

746
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: And see. I'm not a I'm not a super topwater guy,

747
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: like it's neat and stuff. But my favorite bite is

748
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: ripping a hard knocker out of the grass and it

749
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: getting absolutely choked in February when it's colder in hell,

750
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: and then you make seven more casts in there and

751
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: catch them just whenever they hit it and it's like

752
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: knocks slacking and they got that thing down their throat.

753
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: That's my favorite. Like I love setting the hook, You're wrong,

754
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: that's probably number two, But catching them on a trap

755
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: that's probably my favorite.

756
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: So is it just the feeling that you just snatched

757
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: this thing out of grass and it comes to a

758
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: complete dead stop.

759
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: Yes, y, yes, that's and you know you're just about

760
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: to train wreck the hell out of it because when

761
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: he smashed them out of the grass, there's normally more

762
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: than one sitting there, and you know you're freeze to

763
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: death and you've just been winding all day long, and

764
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you finally find that ground.

765
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: My buddy found a group last year. Me and my

766
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: buddy found a group last year, the biggest grass school

767
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: I've ever found in my life. We caught like forty

768
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: five fish in between three and eight pounds in less

769
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: than four foot of walk on one cast, one cast,

770
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: and he caught them there for three weeks like that

771
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: and won every damn tournament there was. But literally just

772
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: sat there and on the same bait every week, and

773
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: it was like they were like, hey, we're done. Never

774
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 2: have caught another fish in there.

775
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: So when you won Santie Cooper a couple of years ago,

776
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: did you have an incredible practice where you found some

777
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: really good fish and you went into the tournament thinking

778
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: this is going to be great for me.

779
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: Well, I actually did not catch them like I caught

780
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: him in the tournament practice. I was wining in a

781
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: chatter bait, dirk bait, and a hard knocker on ill

782
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 2: grass edges. I wasn't getting but like five to seven

783
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: bites a day, but they were from four to nine pounds.

784
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: When i'd get bit they were biggins. And I flipped

785
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: a little bit and I caught a few fish. I

786
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: caught one around seven and some other three and a

787
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: half four pounders. But it was getting colder, like it

788
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: was cold and it started kind of coming back. But

789
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: I went into the area that I caught the thirty

790
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: three pounds year before and pulled out a chatter bait

791
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: and I fired it out there and I hung one,

792
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: and Aaron was with me because he goes with me

793
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: on day three of practice just to get content. And

794
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: I hooked it and I was like, ain't no waste

795
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: of bass? And it come up and it was almost

796
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: pale white and it was like a nine. It weighed

797
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: for it at nine. I hooked it and I said,

798
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: these boys better watch out kind of joking, you know,

799
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: just talking crap. I didn't realize that this massive wave

800
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: was coming of spawners. And that first day in the tournament,

801
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: I literally fished well. I pulled up on a stretch,

802
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: didn't catch anything, and I abandoned my chatter bait bike.

803
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: I went to a bank that I had literally caught

804
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: one three pounder on a bus bait. I picked up

805
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: a buzz bait proceeeded to lose over twenty five pounds

806
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 2: a bass down that streetch So I'm already contemplating life.

807
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: You know. Everybody had me picked to do really well there.

808
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: And I went back to where I started. Pulled on

809
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: that ill grass, nothing down through that went all the

810
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 2: way down the bank and I caught uh two one

811
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: about three, another one about two and a half at

812
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: one thirty, and there was two of them on that

813
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: tree when I caught it, and I was like, oh, really,

814
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: this is how y'all want to play today, huh? And

815
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: I pulled over. I ran to another deal where I

816
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: had a big bite in practice. I pulled up there

817
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: and I'd catch a seven, a four, and a couple

818
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: other fish off of one tree, and there's another bigan

819
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: on the tree. She would never buy at end up

820
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: catching like twenty one pounds.

821
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: In your practice where you were finding your big fish,

822
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't your first stop of the tournament.

823
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah it was, but none of those they I

824
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: didn't start there, No, I didn't where I caught my

825
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 2: big one. I didn't start there. I was like, I'll

826
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: show back up here this afternoon, let everybody kind of

827
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: get settled, and then I'll roll up over there. But

828
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: that was the only fish I caught. It was that big.

829
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: But you never have a lee. You didn't have a

830
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: worry of like if I don't go there, then somebody

831
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: else has already found that, because I hear that in

832
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: local tournaments all the time. Will if you're not on

833
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: your spot, somebody else has already found them fish?

834
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean where I was starting at, I

835
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 2: was seeing multiple fish on those spots. So I said,

836
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 2: I can pull in there and catch me a few,

837
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: and then I'll go in there and you know, wind around.

838
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Because in practice, like I said, it was, it was

839
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: brutal tough, but you weren't getting a lot of bytes,

840
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: and I wasn't seeing a lot of guys at all

841
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: in practice. Now, the first day it was three ring

842
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: circus where I caught that nine. Because you know, everybody

843
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: does their homework, you know, and from year to year

844
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: on these places, so they get shelled out pretty quick.

845
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: And it was just like that year that I come

846
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: in forth up there. I had one three and a

847
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: half tight byte down byte there practice and then I

848
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: on there on day one, late of the tournament or

849
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: no other day two that afternoon I pulled in there

850
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 2: and catch twenty five pounds twenty five or twenty six,

851
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: and then I catched thirty three and then twenty out

852
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: of the same area. So I mean it was but

853
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: it's just it's kind of one of the timing deals

854
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: because I mean he gets pounded. I mean it's it's

855
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: a very prevalent area, but it's just when you hit

856
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 2: it just rides. Things can get wild. Hurry.

857
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: We're all rooting for Luke for the tail end of

858
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: the season. You're just on the outside looking in for

859
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: the classics, so we're hoping that lacrosse is going to

860
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: be a good event for you. But Luke, thanks for

861
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: jumping on.

862
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: We appreciate it, all right, buddy, appreciate it all right, buddy.

863
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you later. Luke, Man, it's so awesome.

864
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: It's so awesome to have Luke being able to jump

865
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: on here and kind of share some of the things.

866
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: But you know, Jake, I wanted to obviously catch up

867
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: with you a little bit too, and and talk about

868
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: your life and what's going on over the last couple

869
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: of years. You started out on TikTok because a friend

870
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: of yours or a family member was just like, hey,

871
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: you should make a video.

872
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

873
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 4: I think I had a conversation with my niece one

874
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: night and she we were just talking, hanging out, and

875
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 4: she's she kind of showed me to post something on there.

876
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: I posted it, we went to the beach, like a

877
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: couple of days later.

878
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: I didn't think anything about it.

879
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 4: I checked it and it had like one hundred and

880
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 4: forty thousand views, and I never I've always hated here

881
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 4: in my own voice, I've always hated being on camera, pictures.

882
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 3: Videos, whatever.

883
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 4: But here we are two years later, man, and it's

884
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 4: a it's a you know, I'm fully entrenched in my career,

885
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 4: but this is a it's a it's almost like a

886
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: full time gig outside of a full time gig. But

887
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 4: I'm just a guy from Mississippi that loves to fish

888
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 4: and if I can share that with someone, I've I've

889
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 4: had a lot of people message me and so they

890
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 4: caught their PB off of you know, a video of mine,

891
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 4: or their son caught his PB.

892
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: Man.

893
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 4: There's no better feeling than that. So I never saw

894
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: this coming, didn't know this was part of the plan.

895
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 4: But here we are rowing.

896
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: It's it's I'm having a good time with it.

897
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: So I never saw myself sitting here, but you know,

898
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: this is this is great.

899
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: Do you find yourself like when you get home from

900
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: a long day of work, do you feel the pressure

901
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: of like, I've got to get a video up or

902
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: do you just kind of do a when you want

903
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: to do it.

904
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so in the beginning it was more strategic, right,

905
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 4: you know, so my expectations weren't so high. There weren't

906
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: as many people watching, there weren't as many followers. But now, yeah,

907
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: the pressure's there, I've got to make something happen. But

908
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: as you go and get better with it, you kind

909
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 4: of just go with the flow. And sometimes I may

910
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 4: put something together in my truck before I pull out

911
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: of work. You know what I mean, something that I've

912
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 4: been thinking about that day, or something that's just you

913
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 4: know that everybody's talking about.

914
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: At the time. You know, you want to be you

915
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: want to be relatable.

916
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: I think that's why I have a decent following us

917
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: because I'm just I'm just a normal dude. Man, I'm

918
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: just a normal dude that likes to fish. And especially

919
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: since twenty twenty, there's so many people that want to

920
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: fish and they're learning, they want to learn, they want

921
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: to get better, and if I can help people enjoy fishing, dude, you.

922
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: Know, YouTube can only go so far too. I know

923
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, kind of flock to

924
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: YouTube to go see some different things. But man, a

925
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty second video talking about like this, how

926
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: I like the rig, or I like to upsize my

927
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: line or downsize my line, or kind of what Luke

928
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: was talking about when he was talking about rad to

929
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: fall and varying up his weights. You can hear that

930
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: like that. You don't need a ten minute video explaining

931
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: all that.

932
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 4: Right, you can. You don't have to read a Bassmaster

933
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 4: magazine anymore. You can you can in take so much

934
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 4: information in twenty minutes of scrolling, you know what I mean.

935
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what though. Those bass Master magazine.

936
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 3: Oh I love them. I'm a lifetime member, you know.

937
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 3: I love it.

938
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 4: But it's and that's what taught me, you know, that's

939
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: what taught me. I would read something, I'd go out

940
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: to the creek in front of my house, which was

941
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 4: literally like a ditch on my driveway, and I would

942
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: sit there and mess with the bait. And then when

943
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: my parents would drop me off to go fishing, my

944
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 4: mom or my dad, I would use that bait that

945
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: day and until I gained confidence with it. And I

946
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 4: did that with one hundred different baits. And then, you know,

947
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: I'm twelve years old and I'm confident with a lot

948
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 4: of things. So I've been doing it a long time.

949
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 4: And I've been obsessed with fishing since i was five,

950
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: So it's not hard for me to get on a

951
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: camera on my phone and talk fishing.

952
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: He got into fishing, so I went.

953
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: With my dad. I went with my dad. He was

954
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: more of a bluegill fisherman.

955
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 4: So my dad was born on May thirteenth, so Friday

956
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: the thirteenth was his birthday Fall Friday, it's thirteenth. Sometimes

957
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: he caught it playing hooky. Man, we'd play hooky from

958
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 4: school and he'd always pulled me out of school on

959
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: his birthday and we'd go blue gill fishing.

960
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: Good time to fish for blue gill.

961
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: Right, So they're on the bed May thirteenth, you know,

962
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 4: and he puts me, uh, gives me a little bobber

963
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: and a cricket a little split shot on it, and

964
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: we're behind the VFW, you know, like out in the

965
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: middle of nowhere, and big blue gill off the bed

966
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 4: eats eats the cricket, you know. I'm reeling in the

967
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 4: blue gill and like a six pounder eats him head first.

968
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: So and that fish somehow wasn't even hooked. It was

969
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 4: the scales on the back of the blue gill stuck

970
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: in his mouth, suck in his mouth. So from then

971
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 4: right right, So from then on, it was over, man,

972
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 4: it was. It was completely a game over. Now I've

973
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 4: got fifty rodnreels, some more tackle, and I ever know

974
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 4: what to do with. I didn't get a boat until

975
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 4: way later on in life, so the tournament thing didn't

976
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: really work out for me. Now that I've been a

977
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 4: seen that. I've seen a lot of that. I don't

978
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 4: know that I want, you know, would rather do that?

979
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: Now, what made you realize that you didn't want to

980
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: tournament fish or live the lifestyle to say? Somebody like

981
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Luke does? Right?

982
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 4: So all right, here's my thinking, and my my buddy

983
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: Brian has the same thinking, and me and him talk

984
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 4: about it all the time. So you I feel like

985
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 4: you may have a better chance of taking what's Sententtry

986
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: feet you forty five for a five grand Let's just say,

987
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 4: I think your chances. Don't even look at the spread

988
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: for the first Alabama game. I'm in Alabama, so let's

989
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: talk about them. Don't even look at the spread. I

990
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: think your chances are better at going to put it

991
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: on Blacker red at a casino or put it on

992
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: the spread on the Alabama game than they are to

993
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 4: There were so much much better gambling than they are

994
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: to win a tournament.

995
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: So are you saying the reason why you didn't want

996
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: a tournament fish is you feel like financially it's not

997
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: the wisest decision.

998
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 4: I love fishing so much that if it would have

999
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 4: worked out for me, I would have given it my

1000
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 4: best shot, but financially now that I have, of course,

1001
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 4: I'm looking from a completely different perspective because I have

1002
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: kids and stuff now. But back then I would have

1003
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 4: done anything, slept in the back of my truck, tried

1004
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 4: to make it work. But now looking at it from

1005
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: my perspective now, man, I don't think I can handle it.

1006
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 4: It's just it's such a grind, especially this time of

1007
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: the year. They're out there from sun upsun down, putting

1008
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 4: in twelve hour days and it's practice right for practice. Man,

1009
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 4: It's just such a grind. And it's not all year,

1010
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 4: but it kind of is because they have obligations outside

1011
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: of it.

1012
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of guys that are on tour

1013
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: that think similarly to that. I mean, you hear it

1014
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: all the time. When somebody is a young gun coming

1015
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: up and fishing, everybody starts looking at them and they're

1016
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: just smashing them. The Trey McKinney's of the world, the

1017
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: Tucker Smiths, the Logan Parks, the Paul Marx, like, all

1018
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: these guys came out.

1019
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: There's so many.

1020
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these guys come out. They're young, they're not married,

1021
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: they don't have children, and all the old regime kind

1022
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: of looks at them like, what are they doing. They're

1023
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: obviously getting some, but what guys forget is your level

1024
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: of stress on the water and off the water matters

1025
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: with how well you can catch fish. Because you either

1026
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: have a family at home that you got to, you know,

1027
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: take the phone calls and and be there for their

1028
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: sports events and live through FaceTime and all that kind

1029
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. But you also have to remember that while

1030
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: you're doing that, these guys can still be on the

1031
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: water and they can go fish wherever they want, and

1032
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: they've got nothing but fishing on their mind, right.

1033
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, they So they have spent so much time

1034
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: in their boat. They've literally spent more time in their

1035
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: boat than they've spent in their bed or anyway else,

1036
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So there's no replacement for

1037
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: time on the water. All these guys are elite casters, right,

1038
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 4: All these guys are, you know, elite fishermen.

1039
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: That's why it was so shocking to me to hear

1040
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Luke say like, man, did you throwing a spinner bait?

1041
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: And then watch it like technically how good he is

1042
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: at doing that? You have another pro going, Dude, this

1043
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: guy is good. I love it. Because it veers credit

1044
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: to somebody who's doing a really good job at something,

1045
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: and Luke is that kind of guy.

1046
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: Right.

1047
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: But they're all good, just like every other regular joe

1048
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: like you and I. If I went out watched Luke fish,

1049
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: I'd be like, dude, these guys are in a different world, right.

1050
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, that's the thing they're all good at. They're

1051
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: all good at fishing. I mean, they all can make

1052
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 4: the cast, they all, you know. But I think the

1053
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: one thing that makes them different they they all have

1054
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 4: their strengths as well. I mean, Koa's that's what shocked

1055
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 4: me about what he said about Kyoya. We know Kyoya

1056
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 4: is an FFS guy, right, so to hear him talk

1057
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 4: about him being a fisher at throwing a spinner bait

1058
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: down the bank, obviously you know he's he's good at everything.

1059
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: But the thing is, they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

1060
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 4: But the main thing, in my opinion, that makes one

1061
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 4: guy that at the end of the day is decision

1062
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 4: making when to leave, when to stay, where to go,

1063
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,959
Speaker 4: what to do. And for me, that's the part that's

1064
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 4: the hardest.

1065
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: Hey, you were talking about betting, you got no one

1066
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: to hold them, No one to fold them and no

1067
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: one to walk away. And that is a crucial part.

1068
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I was in a tournament on the Alabama River,

1069
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: which we talked about a little earlier, and man, I

1070
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: get my first bite until after.

1071
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 3: Nine thirty, right, And what are you thinking at that point?

1072
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know, for me in a tournament scale

1073
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: I sat there and I thought to myself, just go

1074
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: cover water, like, hit a cut through. If they're there, great,

1075
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: If they're not, look for some brush or some laydowns

1076
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: that are just offshore. Try to find something with access

1077
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: to deep water. But eliminate everything that you see. So

1078
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: if they weren't, if the cutthroughs and they weren't at

1079
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: the laydowns, go do something vastly different. There's nothing worse

1080
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: than watching somebody who's in a tournament who repeatedly does

1081
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over and over. That's not

1082
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: catching them fish Like, you have to kind of get

1083
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone. So I ended up going

1084
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: over to a bridge piling and I just took a

1085
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: jig and I threw it down. Why. I remember thinking

1086
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: to myself, Hackney had told me once that if you

1087
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: see current move something, but let it fall naturally with

1088
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: the current, So don't use too heavy of a weight

1089
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: to get all the way down. Don't use too light

1090
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: of a weight where it's not hitting. Really find that

1091
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: good weight. Well, it was a half ounce. I toss

1092
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: it out there. I just start feeling it hit every

1093
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: little rock and then all of a sudden it lower.

1094
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: Count beer cans coming through this, yes, yes, And I think.

1095
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: When you're swimming a jig, not through grass, but like

1096
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: you're just letting it kind of come through the water.

1097
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: Counting rocks is the greatest thing you can do. One two, three, four, five.

1098
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna feel that fish bite and it focuses you

1099
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: so much on those rocks that you know the difference

1100
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: in that bite. And then you just set the hook.

1101
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: And as soon as I did that, it was a

1102
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: two and a half pound spot. And I got in

1103
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: the boat and all I had to do was catch

1104
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: one fish for the time.

1105
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: Immediately felt better.

1106
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: Immediately I felt to myself, even though it's one fish

1107
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: and it's not patternable, there's enough information that I've learned

1108
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: off of that. So what I do I put them

1109
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 1: in the live well, same exact cast right, one, two, three,

1110
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: four or five, boom, set the hook. It's another two

1111
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: pear onto something. So now I'm like, okay, they're here.

1112
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: So I sat there for a while, but then I

1113
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: went forty five minutes without a bite. Yes, and then

1114
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: that starts creeping into your mind. Do I leave, do

1115
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: I stay, or do I go do something completely different? Well,

1116
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: I decided to go check out another bridge and I

1117
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: got some bites. They were small, they weren't, you know,

1118
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: tournament size bass, so I had to throw them back.

1119
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: But then I went back to that bridge towards the

1120
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: tail end of the day just to see if I

1121
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: could upgrade or even catch a few more. And that

1122
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: bridge had already been worked out by a couple pe Well,

1123
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of people jump on it by

1124
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: the time I drove by. So I look at it

1125
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: with tournament fishing, where if I give three hundred bucks,

1126
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: all I'm saying to the tournament trail is I'm betting

1127
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: on myself that for three hundred bucks I can either

1128
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: make that money back, make more money, or at least

1129
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: do well.

1130
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it, I think, and and it's it's fun.

1131
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: I do enjoy the competitive side of it. I still do,

1132
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 4: not as much as I used to, but I think

1133
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: the thing for me. Now, back then, I could have

1134
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 4: done it. Now when I'm out there, I'm thinking, if

1135
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 4: this was to keep the lights on, how would I

1136
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 4: feel when I don't have a bite about eleven? You know,

1137
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 4: how would that like? You know, there's your stress level.

1138
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 4: I have nothing but respect for him. I've been following

1139
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 4: then since I was a kid man. So I'm I'm

1140
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 4: a bass master. I'm just a fish, a tournament fishing nut.

1141
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 4: You know, I'm I'm a nerd about it, but I

1142
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 4: just and I followed them for so long and I

1143
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 4: will continue to follow them, but I don't know that

1144
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: I can do their job. I'm just being honest. So

1145
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: I have nothing but respect for him. I love fishing

1146
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 4: so much, but I don't know if I could do

1147
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: it against those guys to keep the lights on.

1148
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: Well, with bass master, you're going up against one hundred

1149
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: and four of the best fishermen in the planet. And

1150
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I know MLF is really good and they've

1151
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: got some hammers. I mean, nobody can argue with Jacob

1152
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: Wheeler and the success he's to do it. Man, nobody

1153
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: can go against DC Dustin Connell and what he's been

1154
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: able to do. And you look at all these guys

1155
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: that do these tournament fisheries. What I realized about tournament

1156
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: fishing is the best of the best go up against

1157
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: smaller numbers. We're seeing that happen. MLF is dropping. I

1158
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: think to fifty bass pro guys, bass master will probably

1159
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: start doing the same thing. They'll probably shut it down.

1160
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: It's smarter for the organization because they can promote fifty

1161
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: guys better than they can promote a hundred. There's not

1162
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: enough time in the day, right, so it gives them

1163
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: a better opportunity. Well, they're only going up against fifty guys.

1164
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: There's only going up against one hundred and four. You

1165
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: get into some of these local tournaments, especially a couple

1166
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: of years ago, it was two h hundred and fifty boats. Yeah,

1167
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: and just like Luke was saying, you know, when he

1168
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: goes out to a tournament, somebody beats him that day,

1169
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: he just goes somebody beat me that day. You know.

1170
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: That's That's when I looked at these tournaments and I went, Damn,

1171
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: all it takes is somebody had that two hundred and

1172
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: fifty that just have a better day than me, and

1173
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: I fall all the way down the ranks.

1174
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: There's something about But it doesn't you know. At the

1175
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 4: same time, it doesn't matter for the ones that I

1176
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 4: fish right, the tournaments that I fish now just a

1177
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 4: blast sauce worth it, man, that watching the sun come up,

1178
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 4: blast office. It's not I still want to catch him.

1179
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 4: I'm so competitive. I want to catch him. I want

1180
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: to do well. But if I don't, and I beat

1181
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: myself up so bad a couple of years ago over

1182
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: just some small tournaments and so now they've they've went

1183
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: better than the last year just because I've kind of

1184
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 4: led a little bit of that. I'm getting to that

1185
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 4: age where I'm letting a little bit of that competitive

1186
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 4: tests to go.

1187
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: But where does that Where does that feeling come from? Where?

1188
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 3: For you?

1189
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: Just being a part of the blast off makes it

1190
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: worth it? Man, I there had to have been a switch.

1191
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know when it happened

1192
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: for me really.

1193
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you say it was a couple of

1194
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 1: years ago, is it when you started to really pop

1195
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: on social media? And then you were like, dang, there

1196
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: are really important things people are interested in. What I'm

1197
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: sharing about a hobby.

1198
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the.

1199
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 4: Kind of set these guys are juggling so most of them,

1200
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 4: almost all of them. If they you either have to

1201
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: catch the piss out of them or and you have

1202
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: to catch them either way, but you either have to

1203
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 4: catch the piss out of them or be very good

1204
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 4: on social media. You've got some guys that aren't catching

1205
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 4: them as well right now, but are awesome with socials

1206
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 4: and so they make a living that way.

1207
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: But really you have to do both. So they've got,

1208
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: you know, think about two jobs.

1209
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 4: And once I saw that I can work full time

1210
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: and do social media, I didn't quite make it in

1211
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 4: the tournament world, but I can. I can do okay

1212
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 4: doing these other things. And it wasn't first option. I

1213
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 4: can't beat them, so I'll just talk about them, you know.

1214
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 4: And I really enjoy that. I really enjoy that, And

1215
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 4: I think that's when the competitive side started to slack

1216
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 4: up a little bit.

1217
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: So you just saw an opening to be in the

1218
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: industry and around the hobby and.

1219
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 4: The sport that you love. That's all I wanted, but

1220
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 4: it's just in a different world. I wanted to be

1221
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 4: a part of what I love. I mean, this is

1222
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: every day, all day, man, I'm up till one o'clock

1223
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 4: in the morning thinking about where I'm going this weekend,

1224
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm gonna you know.

1225
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 3: So I still do that like a little kid. So

1226
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: just to be able to be.

1227
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 4: In the industry and involved in it and to be

1228
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 4: here to talk about it or talk about it on

1229
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: my phone or whatever. If somebody listened to me talk

1230
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 4: about fishing, I'm gonna talk. So yeah, I love just

1231
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 4: being involved in it. And I think that's probably where

1232
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: the whole tournament side kind of started to fade a

1233
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 4: little bit for me. But I'm still I want them

1234
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: to be competitive because I want to watch them.

1235
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: As as a kid. You started out watching Bill Dance

1236
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: just like anybody did. Yes, you've met Bill Dance twice.

1237
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: I have.

1238
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1239
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 4: So when he you know, he's hit the signature series

1240
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 4: lakes that he's he's doing with all the all the

1241
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 4: stuff in Tennessee, which is awesome, using his name and

1242
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: and and everything his platform too to help the state,

1243
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 4: which is was is awesome. I I went to a

1244
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 4: tournament at Pickwick Elite Series one that Leicester won right

1245
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 4: off of Cogar Island.

1246
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 3: I went to that one. What a Burger was a sponsor.

1247
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 3: Bill was there. I seen him over there and we

1248
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 3: went and talked.

1249
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 4: I talked to him a couple of times that at Basspro,

1250
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: just running to him, but never really gotten to, you know, have.

1251
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: A conversation with him. So that's on the bucket list

1252
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: for sure.

1253
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: If you could asked Bill Dance one question, what would

1254
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: it be?

1255
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: Uh?

1256
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: Where are your keys to those lakes?

1257
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: That?

1258
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:49,919
Speaker 3: And can I borrow them?

1259
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: Now?

1260
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding, Uh, but seriously.

1261
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: You know you were talking about tournament fishermen and how

1262
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: you couldn't live that lifestyle. Isn't it an amazing that

1263
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: Bill Dance never won a classic.

1264
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 3: Lows my mind. Man loves my mind.

1265
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: Because he's arguably the biggest name that's ever come upon

1266
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: fishing tournament household. Yeah, I mean, I know KVD and

1267
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: everybody talks about he's the greatest of all time. Sure,

1268
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: but time really does matter. And as far as building

1269
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: a body of work and being one of the biggest

1270
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: names in a business, Bill Dance is that of fishing people.

1271
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 4: Bill has been out of that scene for the tournaments

1272
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 4: years and years and years, and still all of these

1273
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: guys that are in high school that I talked with

1274
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 4: at fish High School, everyone who has ever picked up

1275
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 4: a fish and bowl, no he's a build ass, and

1276
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 4: that's that's hard to do, man.

1277
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: But he realized at such a young time in his

1278
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: life how important content was. Now. Nobody ever thought that

1279
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: content was going to be content when he was just

1280
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: putting together a TV show. But the fact that they

1281
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: have all those files and all those audios that he

1282
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: can then bring those back and put them back on

1283
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: social media, it's kind of like a resurgence for him.

1284
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: It is.

1285
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all coming back full circle, man. I mean, well,

1286
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: here we are this many years later. You know, he

1287
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 4: started filming what in like this late seventies, and some

1288
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 4: of those old clips are coming back around and and

1289
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: they're still still ring true. And yeah, so legacy, man,

1290
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: it's a legacy.

1291
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: You can see the legend.

1292
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: You can see Bill Dance go out and throw a

1293
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: spinner bait and he's talking about he likes a three

1294
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: eights over a half ounce and he wants a skirt

1295
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: to be moving like this, and sometimes you gotta burn

1296
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: it and sometimes you get all those things still ring

1297
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: true for throwing that type of technique.

1298
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: They do, man, they do.

1299
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1300
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 4: That was another thing I wanted to touch on is

1301
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 4: the there's been this quote unquote bast handbook written over

1302
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 4: the years. I think my suggestion to a lot of

1303
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 4: people would be okay, so some of them still ring toe,

1304
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 4: Like you're saying, throw top water in the morning, in

1305
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: the evening, that one, that one always rings true. A

1306
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: jerk bait in the winter is great. I mean, there's

1307
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 4: a lot of when it's windy, you throw a spinner bay.

1308
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 4: Some of those things work. But a lot lot of people,

1309
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 4: like you know, they try to follow that book. Okay,

1310
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 4: it's cloudy, man, Sometimes if you just fish outside of

1311
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 4: that hand we have this handbook that we think that

1312
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 4: we have to go by. And sometimes the more quirky

1313
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 4: stuff you do, the more bites you get.

1314
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: Man.

1315
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: Well that's why when we were talking about the tournament

1316
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: scene with Luke and I was talking about Frankensteining baits.

1317
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: You know, Buddy Gross had shared with me a couple

1318
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: of years ago that he made a bait and he

1319
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: used it on Chickamauga a lot and he won a

1320
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: lot of money. And guys would drive by him and

1321
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: they'd see him cast and I think all of us

1322
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: do this in a boat. We're like, what are they throwing? Yeah,

1323
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden you see it and you're like,

1324
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: I think throwing a white swim jag. He was throwing

1325
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: this bait that guys were just stumped. They couldn't figure

1326
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: out what it was. And it's because he would go

1327
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: home and he would build it. It's kind of like

1328
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: a chatterbait type deal, and he would go home and

1329
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: build these baits to make them you know, well maybe

1330
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: they'll bite something like this. And he kept it under

1331
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: wraps for years and then he lets somebody know about it,

1332
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: and I think that person ended up selling it to

1333
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: a company.

1334
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: Let the cat out of the back.

1335
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man, Yeah, I was. I was thinking Luke

1336
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 4: might give us some some juice there. I wouldn't too

1337
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 4: sure though, but he seems like more of a He's

1338
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 4: good and.

1339
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: He's right, like when he said that I saw his boat.

1340
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: He stayed with me before a Logan Martin event and

1341
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: we were talking about rate to fall on, flipping and

1342
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and he was like, man,

1343
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: I love a five sixtees. Like, if there's going to

1344
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: be a weight, you throw it at five sixtees. He

1345
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: opened up the cabin of his boat to take a

1346
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: look at some of it, and literally it's chatterbait, spinner bait,

1347
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: flipping wackies, boom boom boom. Every it's laid out just

1348
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: like you and I would lay our boats out. He

1349
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have any boxes as like secret songs man or whatever. Yeah,

1350
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: he just he fishes straight up. But that's because, you know,

1351
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: if you have a lot of sponsors. I'm sure that's

1352
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: part of it. But the other part is sometimes you

1353
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,919
Speaker 1: just don't need to mess around getting outside your comfort zone,

1354
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: outside the box a little bit. I think all those.

1355
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: Guys do that, right, they have to.

1356
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: If they'll bite this, they're probably gonna bite this, even

1357
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: though it's unconventional.

1358
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 4: Well, I think that in the last couple of years,

1359
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 4: you know why, they've all had to get out of

1360
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 4: their comfort zone a little bit. Well some of them,

1361
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 4: you know, some of them were are were already proficient

1362
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 4: at it. But you talk about ford facing Yeah, but

1363
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to go down the rest.

1364
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: Take take the ford facing side and just look at

1365
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: not only do you have to deal with a new

1366
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: technology that's outside your comfort zone, you got guys throwing

1367
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: baits that nobody's ever seen. I mean, everybody knows if

1368
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: you take a creature and you put it on the

1369
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: back of a jig. It's supposed to look like a

1370
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: crawlfish on the bottom of the water, right, Right, Guys

1371
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: that are throwing these spiny baits and these ones that

1372
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: have tentacles and all that kind of stuff, they're literally

1373
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why would a fish bite that

1374
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: in this body of water. Well, if you talk to

1375
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: some guides on different bodies of water, they'll tell you, like,

1376
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: there are some different baits that these fish feed on

1377
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: that nobody knows about and wouldn't even think about. Fishermen

1378
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: seem because they spin them up in their live wells. Right,

1379
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: So then they start to like, well maybe if I

1380
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: mimic this. I mean, I love some of the Japanese

1381
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: stuff that's coming out, but we're two three years behind

1382
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: what Japanese baits are doing anyway or more.

1383
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 4: And it drives the industry. Man as much as people

1384
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 4: are like, oh, yeah, you can have your dice and

1385
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 4: your minna. I'm gonna go throw a frog, you know.

1386
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 4: And I get that, I'd like to throw a frog

1387
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 4: as much as the next guy. But these new baits

1388
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 4: and this new stuff, it's driving the industry. It could

1389
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 4: be driving it in you know a different direction for now,

1390
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 4: and I understand there are some bait makers out there

1391
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 4: that have had to expand their lineup of baits to

1392
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 4: accommodate the way that things are going now.

1393
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 3: But you know, things change, and I don't know, man,

1394
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: I it's drive in the industry for sure.

1395
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: Connell said this before when we were talking about four facing,

1396
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: because you know he's done so well in the red

1397
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: crests that are in Alabama's three for three. I asked

1398
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: him point blank, do you think fish are starting to

1399
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: understand ford facing sonar and not understand where it's like

1400
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: a book and they're reading up on this, but they

1401
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: know when people are targeting them offshore. Yeah, when years

1402
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: ago guys wouldn't even come close to going fifteen twenty

1403
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: foot offshore. But he's like, yeah, no, they're they're changing.

1404
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: They're not doing so it's probably forcing some of those

1405
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: fish back towards the bank. But that's no different than

1406
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: any tournament than anybody's ever been in. If you go

1407
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: to Florida and you're fishing shallow, and the difference between

1408
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: three feet and three and a half feet three and

1409
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: a half feet is deep. So if you start fishing deeper, water.

1410
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: Because it's all relative. You start to notice all the

1411
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: fish are a little farther off than I expected him

1412
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: to be. You got to constantly find him. Ford facing

1413
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: just gives you a camera so you can at least

1414
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: see what's happening.

1415
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 3: It's a tool, man, it's a tool.

1416
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 4: I remember growing up and having you know how it is,

1417
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 4: you get a you get just a little backlash, like, wait,

1418
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 4: you know, midways down your school. So you just beam

1419
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 4: a cast out in the middle of the lake. You'll

1420
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 4: be fishing the bank. Yeah, you being a cast out

1421
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 4: in the middle of the lake to reel it back in,

1422
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 4: and you get a bite, and you're.

1423
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 3: Like, what in the world was that fish doing out there?

1424
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: Man?

1425
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 4: And now we're all fishing out there, right, So it's

1426
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 4: a Some days I turn, I leave it off and

1427
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 4: I just go I just go fishing. And then I

1428
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 4: get about halfway through the day and I'll be like that,

1429
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 4: just let me take a peek, you know, let me

1430
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 4: look and see what they're doing.

1431
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: See, I don't even mind. Like, if I'm fishing a

1432
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: long stretch, I'll have my forward facing sonar on just

1433
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: to see maybe they're a little further off the edge. Yeah, yeah,

1434
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: and if I notice that thing, great, if I'm getting bit,

1435
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm not even worried about it. If I'm getting bit,

1436
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: that's turned off, and I've got the sonar to all

1437
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: my other units turned off because I do for some

1438
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: crazy reason, I believe that they hear that knock out

1439
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: of the water because I dive a lot, and I

1440
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: know when i'm it's like my gear on. You can

1441
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: hear vibration.

1442
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 3: If you can hear it outside of the water, you can

1443
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: hear it.

1444
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: On one hundred percent. So I magnified even more so.

1445
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 4: I always as soon as I leave driver's seed, I

1446
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 4: turn If I'm not side scanning or down scanning, I'm

1447
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 4: turning it off. And then I've got some I mean,

1448
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 4: I'll have a got com right beside me throwing the

1449
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 4: same thing, and he's got his pinging he's catching them.

1450
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 4: I don't know one hundred percent, but for me, it's

1451
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 4: a confidence thing. If it's on, I've just got a

1452
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 4: little less confident, so I cut it off.

1453
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: I've seen guys what made me realize that I needed

1454
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,520
Speaker 1: to turn it off As I watch guys in kayaks

1455
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: and they didn't have any electronics. They just had a

1456
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: pole and they had their there and they're just going

1457
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: and literally, I think it's because it's just like hunting big,

1458
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: big deer. If you can get in there quiet, they

1459
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: have no idea.

1460
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 3: You're there, and here we are making all this record.

1461
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: We're running two fifties. We got big heavy boats. We're

1462
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: going full plane and then letting it off and then

1463
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: throwing a trollo motor down. We make a lot of

1464
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: commotion before we get in and that is an undervalued

1465
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to fishing. Stopping way short of

1466
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: where you need to be and trying to get in

1467
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: there as quiet as you can. We'll catch you more fish.

1468
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, seventy seventy feet is like I try to

1469
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: catch him at seventy if I can, if I'm looking

1470
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 4: at them, you know.

1471
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 3: And but yeah, I.

1472
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 4: Try to stop way way way before I get in there,

1473
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 4: at least, or at least cast my way in, you know.

1474
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, they're I think they're probably getting conditioned to

1475
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 4: it a little bit. But I can see it myself.

1476
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 4: Sometimes you point the beam at them and they'll run, yeah,

1477
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 4: scatter yeah.

1478
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 3: But then sometimes like.

1479
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: You turn on a light and the roaches take off

1480
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,919
Speaker 1: back under the fridge.

1481
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but sometimes they it's almost like they come to it.

1482
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 4: So I don't know, honestly, it's a it's an interesting thing.

1483
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: Man.

1484
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 4: I'm I'm super pumped for this tournament that we've got

1485
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 4: coming up, that Luke's getting ready to fish.

1486
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be awesome to watch.

1487
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: Man, let's switch gears real quick, because you know you,

1488
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: I brought this term up to you earlier and you're like, man,

1489
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: and I can't really get on board with that term.

1490
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: But influencer, to me, it's just part of the game.

1491
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: You know, not everybody. I still look like Kim Kardashian

1492
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: in order to be an influencer. But you do influence

1493
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people with fishing. From your trip through

1494
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: social media. What's the one thing that has made you

1495
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: appreciate it more than anything else?

1496
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:11,600
Speaker 4: So I have met so many people, you know, I

1497
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 4: think this is what separates me from the next guy.

1498
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 4: I don't have as many followers as some people, but

1499
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 4: since day one, I have attempted for a long time,

1500
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 4: I didn't miss a single comment, a DM nothing, So

1501
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 4: every day a lot a certain amount of time that

1502
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 4: I could be, you know, doing something with my fiance

1503
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 4: or with my kid, that a lot a certain amount

1504
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 4: of time to respond to every comment and through doing

1505
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 4: that and I can't now it's gotten a little bit

1506
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 4: out of hand, but I used to for a long time.

1507
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 4: I didn't miss a single comment through that. I've met

1508
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 4: so many people and I could sit here and name

1509
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,440
Speaker 4: a lot of them that I've gotten to know personally

1510
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 4: that are amazing people. Man and their kid or them

1511
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 4: or they themselves. They may have caught their pbe off

1512
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 4: of off of just a video that I made that

1513
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 4: I enjoyed making that video.

1514
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: So for you, it's the connections.

1515
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 3: Connections, man, it's the connections.

1516
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: It's a whole different community.

1517
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean just like you know, meeting you and everything,

1518
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 4: coming coming to meet you with hopefully get to go

1519
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 4: fishing soon. But I just uh, it's just things like this, dude,

1520
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,480
Speaker 4: this is what makes it worth it. There's a financial

1521
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 4: side to social media. I never even thought about the

1522
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 4: money getting into it, and so that that doesn't really

1523
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 4: that's all just a bonus. If there's something some financial

1524
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 4: that comes from it, it's just a bonus for me.

1525
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 4: It's the connections. The people who are who message me

1526
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 4: and say, hey, man, I've been doing what you said

1527
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 4: the other day, and I'm having the time of my life.

1528
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: Have you had any of the guys that you look

1529
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: up to or even current you know pros reach out

1530
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: to you? And what was that like when you actually

1531
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: got those messages? Yeah? So I fanily did you a

1532
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: little bit? Man?

1533
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 3: Still even at this age, man, even at.

1534
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: This age, So well, who was it? What was the conversation?

1535
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: Let's see, Gerald, Gerald followed me.

1536
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 1: That's pretty sweet.

1537
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was cool. There's been a lot of them.

1538
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 4: So I was at Red Crest when DC one several

1539
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 4: years ago here and.

1540
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 3: I walked up to.

1541
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 4: The Bass Pro Shops booth with the little poster. I'm

1542
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 4: still I'm still a fan. I'm still a fan. Just

1543
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: because I've got some followers on the internet doesn't mean

1544
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 4: I'm not a fan. I'm still a fan. I'm one

1545
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 4: of my poster signed. Man, I'm building a shop. I

1546
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 4: want to know it soon. And Casey Ashley and Brand

1547
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 4: Bradley Roy was standing there, and you know, there, Bradley goes,

1548
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 4: I feel like I should get your autograph because I

1549
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 4: see you every time I open up TikTok and I

1550
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 4: was like, I was like, dude, what you know? And

1551
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 4: you know, I'm like, I never expected that. Gerald, Uh, Jerald,

1552
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 4: There's been There's been a lot of them, man, there's

1553
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 4: been a lot of them. Austin Snell. I really enjoy

1554
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,520
Speaker 4: his music. He reached out recently. I followed me recently

1555
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 4: and he's getting into fishing. Just just a lot of

1556
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 4: I can't think of all of them, but yet usually

1557
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 4: it's a I do I do fanboy a little bit

1558
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 4: when I see, uh, it's the ones that stand down, Yeah,

1559
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 4: you know for sure, And you know, I'm so, I'm

1560
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 4: such a nerd.

1561
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 3: I know the whole roster.

1562
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 4: Man, I'm you know, I'm rooting from uh one, O

1563
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 4: five to to first place?

1564
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: Say oh, why so I got respect for all those guys.

1565
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's wild when you finally get to kind

1566
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: of be involved with something that you've made such a

1567
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: big part of your life and then you get brought

1568
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: into it and you're like, damn, that's kind of cool.

1569
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 3: It is it is.

1570
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 4: I met Dustin on the dock the day that he

1571
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 4: was on late when he was about the final day.

1572
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 3: He was super emotional.

1573
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 4: I walked by Dustin and I'm a big DC fan,

1574
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 4: walk by Duston and he goes out in Junior and

1575
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 4: Tyler's real fishing.

1576
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 3: Talk to Tyler pretty good.

1577
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: Bet he's a he's another influencer.

1578
01:14:59,040 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's awesome, man.

1579
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 4: But that day Tyler was there filming out John Junior, right,

1580
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 4: that was the year he followed him.

1581
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: Tyler's awesome guy.

1582
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 4: He's the same guy that you see and in person,

1583
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 4: he's the same guy you see on the internet. And

1584
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,879
Speaker 4: but I walked past Duston He's he's wiping his eyes,

1585
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 4: you know, super emotional time. He's at home, he's trying

1586
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 4: to win in front of his family. And he stops

1587
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 4: and he looks at me and he goes, man, I

1588
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 4: appreciate you being here. I appreciate you being here. And

1589
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 4: we just kind of dapped each other up and I said,

1590
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 4: go get them DC. You know's cool. It's just a

1591
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 4: little moments like that, man. And uh because these uh,

1592
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 4: you know these guys. Kevin is the Tom Brady for me,

1593
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 4: right because I'm into I mean, I love football, but

1594
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 4: I'm into fishing is my thing, man. So you know,

1595
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 4: having a conversation with Kevin is like talking to Tom.

1596
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: I've seen Kevin van Dam twice and never asked for

1597
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: a pressure.

1598
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 3: Were you fanboy?

1599
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: Not a fanboy, but I think it would be more

1600
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: or less like every time I saw him, he was

1601
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of the conversation. I don't want to, like,

1602
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to stand there and just kind of wait,

1603
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, like a puppy waiting in the window. But

1604
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: I just in my mind, part of me feels like

1605
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: if I say I've seen this person or I've run

1606
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: into this person, for me, conversations matter over pictures or

1607
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: autographs or anything like that ten times more. But if

1608
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to get one, like you're putting

1609
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: together a shop, like you were saying, and you want

1610
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: to picture a Casey Ashley sign because he won a

1611
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 1: Smith Mountain Lake event or he won on Heartwell or whatever,

1612
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: like that's a cool memory. But having a conversation then

1613
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: being like, oh, I remember I was talking to Casey

1614
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 1: about YadA, YadA, YadA. Like I've been fortunate enough as

1615
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: a marshal for bass Master to be in the boat

1616
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: with Scott Martin, Greg Hackney and Mike Eikinelly and I

1617
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: basically got to pick who I wanted to go in

1618
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 1: a boat with, and immediately I wanted to go in

1619
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: a boat with Cannelly I wanted to be in a

1620
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: boat with Hackney.

1621
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

1622
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate what Scott Martin does socially, so I was like, man,

1623
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: that'd be cool to just witness and then you see

1624
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: those guys in their natural habits at for me, I'll

1625
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: take the memories of all of that. And you know,

1626
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: we snap a picture at the tail end or whatever,

1627
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: but I'll take the memories of all that over anything else.

1628
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 4: One funny story you mentioned Nike, So seventeen weither are

1629
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 4: like sixteen whither're like uh takiher Moory won it out

1630
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 4: on the flats on a swim bait and a spook

1631
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 4: barges would come by, he'd have to move out of

1632
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 4: the way. Anyways, sixteen wheel they're like first time being

1633
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 4: in a boat with pro.

1634
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 3: I was in the boat with Fletcher shryock, I think.

1635
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 4: And to get to the dock to go get my

1636
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 4: stuff and get back on the boat that was so crammed.

1637
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 4: I had to walk across. There was three boats. I said,

1638
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 4: come on, come on, pull up right here.

1639
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1640
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 4: You got it, you got it. So I'm only troiler motor.

1641
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 4: I pull up next to Ike Ikes telling me to

1642
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 4: pull in. So I pull in to get to the dock.

1643
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 4: I had to step across Ike's boat and all those

1644
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 4: rode Kevin. No wait, it gets better. Kevin's boat that

1645
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 4: I went from. They were next to each other, next

1646
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 4: to each other. I had to go from Ike's boat

1647
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 4: to Kevin's boat into the dock. Dude, my heart was

1648
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 4: beating out of my chest. And I'm like you, I

1649
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 4: don't usually ask for a picture because, like you said,

1650
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 4: it's just a I'd rather have a conversation with him,

1651
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 4: you know, but I do. There was a moment, uh

1652
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 4: this pat at the Classic. You know, I won't mention

1653
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: the bait, but if you watched Okachobe, you know the

1654
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 4: bait that Brandon Palanet won the Big m and I

1655
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 4: had one. And I had that bait and I took

1656
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 4: it with me just in case I saw Brandon, because

1657
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 4: how cool was that for me to have the bait

1658
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 4: that he won this super iconic tournament. I mean, it

1659
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 4: was an awesome tournament to have his to have his

1660
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 4: and I had his little the hat, the cut ice

1661
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 4: cream hat that he has. You know, they always get

1662
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 4: I caring from Mexic Cut, So little things like that

1663
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 4: I'll get autograph.

1664
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 3: But other than that, I try to let him be,

1665
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 3: you know man.

1666
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: But see, that's the type of memorabilia that's cool because

1667
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 1: it's kind of a one off, right, And I'm sure

1668
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: just like any other autograph hound situation, nobody wants to

1669
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 1: sign something and see it put up on the eBay,

1670
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, like all these guys if they're signing a

1671
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: hat like that, like you're keeping that so personal because

1672
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: that's something that you know, you have, it's a story

1673
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: that goes with it. You were sharing how you were

1674
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 1: walking across Ike's deck to get over to the dock.

1675
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 3: So nervous man.

1676
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,599
Speaker 1: When when we were on lay Lake for the bas

1677
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: Elites and I had to marshal with Ike, you know,

1678
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: they have us meet him before they put in the water.

1679
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,520
Speaker 1: And he comes pulling up and he's, you know, he's excited,

1680
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: he's ready to get in the water. And I said, hey,

1681
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: you want me to back you in? And he goes,

1682
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: you ever driven a boat? And I said yeah, and

1683
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: he goes, I'd rather you be in the boat than

1684
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: in the truck. And I said, not a problem. So

1685
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: I get in the boat and he immediately says to me,

1686
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, I don't use a hot foot so

1687
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: he's old school. He still uses the handle on the

1688
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: side for the throttle.

1689
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 4: My first boat had that, so I would have been

1690
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 4: at home with that. But uh, yeah, I don't know.

1691
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if would you rather have had the

1692
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: truck or you were like whatever man everywhere. It was

1693
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: fine for me, But it was so funny because me

1694
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 1: being an Kenelli fan and just loving what he brought

1695
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: to the sport and what he continues to bring the

1696
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: sport entertainment. Yeah, I like I love that. I love

1697
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: when somebody becomes a personality. Gerald is the same way, right,

1698
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: Gerald doesn't have to win a tournament. Gerald to me

1699
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest ambassadors and one of the

1700
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: greatest fishermen to ever live, because he made people who

1701
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: didn't know about fishing look at fishing. They may not

1702
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: be tournament fishermen themselves, but they like him and his

1703
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: personality enough to what he has to say and share

1704
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 1: what he wants, and he's always open to sharing about fishing,

1705
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: which I like. He branded himself, right, So I like

1706
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: personalities like that. And when I told me there wasn't

1707
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,879
Speaker 1: a hot foot, I was like, that's so fucking Ikeonelly,

1708
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, like everybody else has a hot foot, and

1709
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: he's got a cat without a hot foot. It's like, yeah,

1710
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't do that. So at one point we were

1711
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 1: we were having to get to the next spot that

1712
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: he wanted to go to. And you know, we've got

1713
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 1: these great blue herons that live on all the Cousta

1714
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: River lakes and really water all throughout the country. And

1715
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 1: he's screaming down lay Lake and he's got that bass

1716
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: cat going seventy seven miles an hour or whatever.

1717
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 3: No hot foot.

1718
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: And no hotfoot. He's just up on it. He's staring

1719
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 1: at his grass and he's looking well, all of a sudden,

1720
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: out of my left eye, I see a great blue

1721
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: heron and that thing's flying straight across. And when I

1722
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: noticed that that great blue heron is chest level with me,

1723
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, ooh, this could be really bad. So I'm

1724
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: waiting for him to recognize. I don't want to say anything.

1725
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 1: He's in his deal, right, Like I don't want to

1726
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: take him out of his moment. Right he's just up

1727
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: on the throttle, just giving that thing out. That blue

1728
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 1: heron is getting closer and closer and closer, And in

1729
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm looking at the heron looking at it,

1730
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: Ike looking at the heron looking at it Ike, And

1731
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's either going to hit the troller motor

1732
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: and bounce off, so I might be okay, or it

1733
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: misses the troller motor completely and pierces me right through

1734
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 1: the chest and I'm dead long, k man. Yeah, So

1735
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm like a crazy way to go out. This thing

1736
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: gets so close that I just jump out of the way.

1737
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: I go towards the center console of the boat. I

1738
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: can Alwa's like, what the hell, dude. I's like, you

1739
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: almost hit that bird. This heron bails off like this

1740
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, how close was I? I said, you'll

1741
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: see it on your go, bro. We pull up to

1742
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: the next spot. I got to stand on the back one.

1743
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: He's fishing that bird shit from one side of his

1744
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: boat to the other. So at the end of it,

1745
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: what do I get a text message from Mike Canelly

1746
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: and the actual video of that how And I'm like, man,

1747
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: that's a great story. I'll never be able to live

1748
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: another storyline better Thananny autograph, Jake Bagwell fishing find out

1749
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: on TikTok every social platform. He's a great follow even better, dude,

1750
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: this has been lines and times. Make sure you hit

1751
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: like and subscribe Schereless with your friends would like to

1752
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: fish