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Speaker 1: Animore coming up on the Buck Sexton Show. This is

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Speaker 1: the Buck Sexton Show where the mission or mission is

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Speaker 1: to decode what really matters with actionable intelligence. Make no

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Speaker 1: mistake America, You're a great American Again the Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: Show begins. He's a great guy. No, Welcome to Buck

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Speaker 1: Saxon Show. Everybody a lot to get to today. We'll

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Speaker 1: have more on the process of Nancy Pelosi and Adam

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Speaker 1: This I believe it's this past fiscal year, and were

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Speaker 1: questioning Lieutenant Colonel Vinman on patriotic We'll get into that

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Speaker 1: let's review some of what's going on there. You right

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Speaker 1: you also have the blackouts. And the fires and the

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Speaker 1: Now you have the problem with the blackouts tied to

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Speaker 1: in the House. I've always felt like they're going to

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Speaker 1: impeach him no matter what, just because they really want to.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't even if it's bad politics for them for

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Speaker 1: the election. I still think they're going to do it

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Speaker 1: because they can't help themselves. Is there a future in

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Speaker 1: which you see the Democrat majority House not vote to

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Speaker 1: impeach the president, not present articles of impeachment against him

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Speaker 1: on the House floor. So I'm with you. Ever since

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Speaker 1: the whole Molar thing started, I said, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: it is not going to allow them to not impeach him.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna ppeach him for any reason or no reason.

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Speaker 1: But as this process has dragged along, and as we've

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Speaker 1: watched Pelosi refused to even have a vote to authorize

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Speaker 1: an actual impeachment investigation. I'm beginning to think they're concerned

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Speaker 1: about their own politics here, because there's no procedural upside

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Speaker 1: to them avoiding a vote just allowing an investigation, So

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Speaker 1: there must be some reason why they're not doing it.

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Speaker 1: I can think of two. Either they don't have the

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Speaker 1: votes at all, which I don't think is the case,

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Speaker 1: or they know that may King thirty or so swing

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Speaker 1: district members to walk the plank his political suicide for them.

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Speaker 1: So if they can't even get to a vote authorizing

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Speaker 1: an investigation, I'm not sure anymore they are ever going

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Speaker 1: to get to a vote for impeachment. And I suspect

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Speaker 1: we may drag into twenty twenty and into the Democrat

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Speaker 1: primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire with them still having

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Speaker 1: not resolved it, which will be an absolute disaster for them,

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Speaker 1: given that I think half their members in the Senate

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Speaker 1: are currently running for president. Now let's talk about Vinman,

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Vinman, who I've been hearing so much about

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Speaker 1: from the media, and it's the usual how dare you

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Speaker 1: question this military man, which reminds me of how dare

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Speaker 1: you questioned James Come? And then we found out that

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Speaker 1: he was the worst. And how dare you questioned, Mueller?

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Speaker 1: We found out that he was basically pulled out of

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Speaker 1: like the retirement home in order to pretend to be

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Speaker 1: running this investigation. It really seemed like you had no

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Speaker 1: idea what was going on. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: this story that Vinman now may have tried to change

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Speaker 1: the transcript of the phone call between the President and Zelenski?

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Speaker 1: What do you see here? What should we take away

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Speaker 1: from that? So I'll tell you, I'm amused by the

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Speaker 1: theatrics and faux hysteria over any questioning of Vinman, given

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Speaker 1: how we saw that these same people treated Michael Flynn,

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Speaker 1: who was a very well decorated combat officer, three star general.

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Speaker 1: I just can't take they call him a traitor, routinely,

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Speaker 1: routinely called him. Yeah, Sally Yates, you know, said he

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Speaker 1: had violated the Logan Act. I mean, come on, So

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Speaker 1: these people are not serious. A huge part of their

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Speaker 1: political operation is to shout down anyone who says or

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Speaker 1: asked anything they don't like, Just like shifted when Vinman

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Speaker 1: was asked, who did you leak to yesterday? You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happened with him editing a transcript

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Speaker 1: or not. I'll tell you I'm skeptical of any leaks

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Speaker 1: that are obviously coming from Shift's office. The guy's a

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Speaker 1: liar and a fabricator, and he can't be trusted. I

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Speaker 1: will say that what concerns me most is, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very thankful for Vinman's service and the sacrifices he

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Speaker 1: may in the armed services for US, but I'm extremely

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Speaker 1: concerned about an active duty uniform military officer going behind

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Speaker 1: the President's back, trying to subvert his process, leaking to people,

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Speaker 1: and taking part in what sure looks like an attempt

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Speaker 1: at coup against the commander in chief. I think that's

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Speaker 1: really problematic. When you have active duty military, you have

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Speaker 1: Intelligence service and Security Service operatives inside the House attempting

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Speaker 1: to criminalize differing foreign policy views that the president their

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Speaker 1: commander has. This is really really dangerous stuff, and I

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Speaker 1: worry that once you start going down this road, you

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Speaker 1: can never actually go back. And in terms of what

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe from this, it seems to me that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's that leak about maybe he wanted to change the transcript,

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Speaker 1: that to me is meant to undermine what a lot

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Speaker 1: of us have come away from this thinking which is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we know what was said on the call. I don't

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Speaker 1: care what somebody else thinks about what was said on

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Speaker 1: the call, whether they liked it or I know what

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Speaker 1: was said on the call. Therefore, I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: this is just more opinions of people who clearly don't

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Speaker 1: like and don't agree with the president on these issues

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Speaker 1: or perhaps on any issue. So that to me is

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Speaker 1: maybe just to get around that problem for them. But

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Speaker 1: what you know as of now, what exactly is the

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Speaker 1: article of impeachment about this phone call supposed to say?

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Speaker 1: What if there's not a crime, this is supposed to be?

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Speaker 1: What abuse of power? That's I'm not even clear on

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Speaker 1: what the line of attack is. Well, look at the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, I believe the day Trump was inaugurated said

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Speaker 1: his impeachment begins now. So the real crime here is

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Speaker 1: that Trump beat Hillary Clinton. That has always been the crime.

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Speaker 1: It's unpardonable and they will never forgive him for it.

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Speaker 1: So the last three years has been a futile fishing

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Speaker 1: expedition for maybe something that they can pretend is the

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Speaker 1: real reason they want to get rid of Trump, when

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Speaker 1: in reality the real reason is they want to get

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Speaker 1: rid of him because he beat Hillary. So looking at

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Speaker 1: that call, of course, there's no crime in there. This

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Speaker 1: is a president trying to enact his own foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry when you go down into the chain

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Speaker 1: of command in the military, it is not the job

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Speaker 1: of an O five detail to the White House to

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Speaker 1: determine what is or is not allowed by the president

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Speaker 1: in conducting the foreign policy. There's a reason we have

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Speaker 1: civilian control of the military and civilian control of government

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Speaker 1: in this country, and it's because the founders knew that

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Speaker 1: civilians needed to be accountable to the people who elected them.

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Speaker 1: So when you have uniform military officers going in there,

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Speaker 1: marching into these congressional rooms and saying, you know, this

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Speaker 1: guy's awful. He tried to do things that I didn't

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Speaker 1: agree with, that's not how this country is run. Do

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Speaker 1: you think we're going to find out who whistle blower is, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think shift is desperate to make sure that never happens.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say, look, everyone in the media knows who

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Speaker 1: it is. Everyone on the Democratic side knows who it is.

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Speaker 1: Leaks were coming out about this long before it happened.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the whistleblower was colluding with SHIFT before ever

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Speaker 1: filing the complaints, and it was interesting, Shift before all

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Speaker 1: that came out, said oh, we've got to get him

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Speaker 1: in here. We've got to get his testimony. He needs

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Speaker 1: to come and testify. Most of us are like, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I want to know what this guy was up to.

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Speaker 1: But as soon as it was revealed that SHIFT was

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Speaker 1: colluding with him secretly before the complaint was filed, and

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Speaker 1: the SHIFT lied about it, Shifted an immediate one eighty

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Speaker 1: and I'm not sure we've even heard about the guy

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Speaker 1: ever since, which I find fascinating. Sean Davis, everybody check

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Speaker 1: out the Federalist dot com. They're doing great work over there, Sean.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your perspective, sir. We'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, Thank you. Buck. They can't fix it.

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Speaker 1: The process is broken, it's tainted. They have gone through

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Speaker 1: this process where you have seen one side of the story.

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Speaker 1: It's been an effort to get one side of facts

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Speaker 1: and then to selectively leak those facts in order to

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Speaker 1: taint the president. The idea that we want to know

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Speaker 1: through this individual may have communicated with that's important informations

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Speaker 1: and the idea that when during our hour, our counsel's

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Speaker 1: asking questions and Adam Shift tells the witness not to

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Speaker 1: answer our questions is completely ridiculous, and it's why this

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Speaker 1: should be in public. It's not possible to look at

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Speaker 1: what's going on right now and come away from it

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Speaker 1: thinking anything other than this is a get Trump procedure,

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Speaker 1: another get Trump procedure from Democrats, unless you are so

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Speaker 1: deluded with anti Trump sentiment that it's no longer possible

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Speaker 1: for you to be objective. And I think, unfortunately that's

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Speaker 1: a widespread problem now. I think there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people out there who have been completely and utterly

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Speaker 1: their sanity on all issues of Trump has been taken

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Speaker 1: away from them. They just can't find a way to

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Speaker 1: step back and say, Okay, what's really true here, what's

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Speaker 1: really going on. I also believe that the American people

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Speaker 1: must be getting very tired of this. The ones who

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Speaker 1: hate Trump, you know, the the twenty or thirty percent

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party that or maybe twenty thirty percent

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Speaker 1: of voters who are Democrats. They hate Trump so much

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Speaker 1: that any thing that is damaging for the president. It's

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, when the hamster hits the little

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Speaker 1: pedal and gets the gets to eat the pellet or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You know. They just they want more, they need more.

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Speaker 1: They can't stop. And that's what CNN is set up

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Speaker 1: to do. In MSNBC and New York Times and The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post and many many other places, they're all just

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Speaker 1: trying to feed a a brainwashed audience more anti more,

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Speaker 1: a steady diet of anti Trump isn't because that's what

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Speaker 1: they think their audience wants to hear and read and see.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's largely true. I can't imagine that

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Speaker 1: most Americans care all that much about these shenanigans. I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine anybody watches Adam Schiff give these press conferences

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Speaker 1: where he just has this you know, cold look in

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Speaker 1: his eyes. That is, well, the President of the United

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Speaker 1: States clearly violated the Constitution, and he really looks like

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Speaker 1: somebody out of you know, like American horror story something.

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Speaker 1: He's a creepy guy, and there's no sense of decency

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Speaker 1: or warmth or anything from him. Who votes for Adam

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Speaker 1: ship That's what I really want to know. Well, I

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Speaker 1: just look and stare at the camera and my eyes

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Speaker 1: don't blink, but I want to tell you that this

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Speaker 1: president is the worst human being in the history of

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Speaker 1: the planet. You're like, what is this guy doing? But

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Speaker 1: we in the conservative media are forced to continue to

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Speaker 1: cover his nonsense because otherwise the charges just go unanswered,

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Speaker 1: The allegations are able to just linger out there, and

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Speaker 1: that's unfair to the president. This stuff is just what

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Speaker 1: a waste, what a waste of time. It is for

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Speaker 1: all involved, whether they realize it or not. But when

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Speaker 1: you've decided that government power is something that must be

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Speaker 1: in the hands of the left, it's intrinsic to your

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Speaker 1: sense of well being that you have libs with a

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Speaker 1: lot of power to enact what you think is good

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Speaker 1: for the country. I suppose then all the rest of

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Speaker 1: one's judgment is tainted. And that's what we're seeing, all right,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Buck Sexton Show. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to dive too deep. We've already done a lot on

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Speaker 1: the Vineman testimony. But this just this caught my eye

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Speaker 1: because one of the media lines about this has been

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Speaker 1: about how you can't question Lieutenant Colonel Vinman because he served. Now,

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Speaker 1: having seen what many leftists will say about Dan Crenshaw,

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Speaker 1: a wounded veteran who served the Navy Seals having seen

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Speaker 1: the way as Sean Davis mentioned that they treated thirty

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Speaker 1: years of service from General Flynn and then just calling

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Speaker 1: him a trader because he made a phone call when

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Speaker 1: he was national security advisor to a Russian ambassador. Nothing

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Speaker 1: wrong with what he said on that phone call, by

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Speaker 1: the way, nothing, but they're calling him a trader. No,

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Speaker 1: no problem with that. What I want to throw him

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Speaker 1: in prison. That's how much they respected his military service.

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Speaker 1: So we know there's a huge double standard with all this.

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Speaker 1: But I would just note that former Congressman Sean Duffy,

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Speaker 1: whom I know, and I will say he's a very

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Speaker 1: nice guy. He's a very nice guy. But he he

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Speaker 1: took a job at CNN as a commentator. Now I

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Speaker 1: know what that's like. I worked as a CNN commentator

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, which was great. It was

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Speaker 1: being behind enemy lines without anybody really they're knowing, although

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Speaker 1: they figured they knew I was a little conservative. They

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Speaker 1: initially hired me at CNN as a mostly a national

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Speaker 1: security analyst. I was doing there. I did a lot

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Speaker 1: of terrorism hits. I did hits on terrorism more than

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Speaker 1: anything else. Right, counter terrorism issues because of my time

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Speaker 1: in CIASCTC, the counter Terrorism Center as well as the

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Speaker 1: NYPD Intelligence Division working on counterterism cases. But you know

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Speaker 1: who needs the resume right now? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But as soon as I became an outspoken conservative during

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election cycle, and especially once I was

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Speaker 1: willing to support Donald Trump, then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: they changed their attitude toward me very markedly. Producers, the hosts.

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Speaker 1: I was a bad guy. Now. I wasn't just some

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Speaker 1: curiosity of a you know, kind of prep you loooking

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Speaker 1: x CIA guy that could talk about these things. Now

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Speaker 1: it was something else. And then that brings me to

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Speaker 1: what happens when you're a conservative at CNN. You have

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Speaker 1: to remember, this is your career. If you're in the media,

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Speaker 1: right you're trying to build a brand. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: do things that will help you grow recognition an audience

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Speaker 1: over time. That's what a media career is built on.

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Speaker 1: And CNN uses that will use that to make you

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Speaker 1: say things you don't really want to say. Usually it's

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Speaker 1: mostly going to have you back off. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can't really argue with someone the way you'd want to

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Speaker 1: because at CNN they will shut you down, they'll tell

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Speaker 1: you you're a banned from the show for a while.

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Speaker 1: So I wish Congressman Duffy talked to me before going

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Speaker 1: to CNN, because I would have told them. I would

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Speaker 1: have told him that you're not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to be there and get treated with respect as a conservative.

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Speaker 1: Just get used to that right now. And it isn't.

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Speaker 1: It is a Trump destroying organization. That is what it

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Speaker 1: exists to do. And here is Sean Duffy stepping in

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Speaker 1: it a little bit over at CNN Play twenty four.

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Speaker 1: He's a he is a he's an advisor to the president. UM.

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Speaker 1: He is a former Ukrainian. He wants to make sure

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Speaker 1: the taxpayer money goes in military. Eight times where going

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Speaker 1: to explain that he came up with Fox. He was

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Speaker 1: he's an active duty military member, an American who was

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Speaker 1: awarded I'm a I'm a virus descent UM. I still

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Speaker 1: love the Irish UM and he has an affinity probably

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Speaker 1: for his homeland. That's not my point, though, John. My

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Speaker 1: point is that he gives advice to the president. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't set policy. So the president has a lot of

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Speaker 1: advisors who give different opinions in different views, but the

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Speaker 1: president is elected by sixty plus million people to actually

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Speaker 1: implement the policy, and that's exactly what he did. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that turned into quite a feeding frenzy, A dual loyalty

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Speaker 1: smear is what that became in the media, in the media,

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Speaker 1: and look, it was not It was not a wise

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Speaker 1: place for Congressman Duffy to go because the storyline immediately

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Speaker 1: becomes wounded veteran, which is what Lieutenant Colonel Vinman is

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Speaker 1: and and did fight for his country. This just turns

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Speaker 1: into a session where they can club Duffy into submission

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Speaker 1: because I think I know what he was trying to say,

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Speaker 1: but he said it poorly, which is that there was

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Speaker 1: a policy difference that that Vinman had. That manifested itself

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Speaker 1: in some of the reaction to Trump's phone call. But

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Speaker 1: it is not the place of Lieutenant Colonel Vinman to

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Speaker 1: have a policy difference with the president. To bring in

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Speaker 1: the oh he's from Ukraine thing was unwise, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a bad move. But then I

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Speaker 1: just have to note that CNN, if you're in the

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Speaker 1: family at CNN, if you're a liberal at CNN and

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Speaker 1: you say something really stupid, which happens at CNN like

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Speaker 1: every five minutes. But if you say something that they

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Speaker 1: can't even begin to defend, they'll usually put you on ice,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe somebody else. You know, there'll be some

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Speaker 1: public statement from CNNPR about how, oh we you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't approve of what was said, and that person

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Speaker 1: has been disciplined or there. They'll be off the air

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Speaker 1: for a week or two, but then they'll then they'll

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Speaker 1: bring you back. What they only do if you're a conservative, though,

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Speaker 1: is if you say something dumb on TV, if you

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Speaker 1: say something unwise on TV, then all the different anchors

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Speaker 1: because you're conservative, so you're disposable to borrow from Rambo

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Speaker 1: in First Blood Part two. Expendable, I think is the

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Speaker 1: way that he talked about it. Right, You're expendable if

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Speaker 1: you're a conservative over at CNN. And that's why Chris

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Speaker 1: Cuomo pro Cuomo, you know, trying to be trying to

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Speaker 1: brow out, you know, douse bro stuff. Bro Cuomo over

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Speaker 1: at CNN trashed his colleague Duffy in a way that

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Speaker 1: would never happen if Duffy were a Democrat, but as

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Speaker 1: a former Republican congressman, this is what happens at your

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Speaker 1: own network twenty five. Former Congressman Sean Duffy this morning

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Speaker 1: on CNN smeared Vinman is having allegiance to Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: not to the country that Vineman literally fought and bled

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Speaker 1: for the United States. Quote, I don't know that he's

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Speaker 1: concerned about American policy. Getting Ukraine those weapons to beat

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Speaker 1: back the Russians was and is American policy. It was

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Speaker 1: passed by the House and the Senate and signed into

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Speaker 1: law by the President. According to someone who knows Vinman,

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Speaker 1: this is someone who never complains about his wounds, but

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Speaker 1: he still walks around with some of the shrapnel in

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Speaker 1: his body. This vile dual loyalty smear of an Army

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Speaker 1: colonel comes just days after a different smear of a

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Speaker 1: different decorated war veteran, the smear by President Trump of

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Bill Taylor. You see, if you disagree with even

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Speaker 1: Bill Taylor, you're a bad person, You're disloyal, and you're

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Speaker 1: trashing veterans. Say, look, this is one of the favorite

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Speaker 1: liberal things to talk about. Now, Duffy, I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying Duffy didn't mess up. It was a dumb thing

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Speaker 1: to say. But when I am telling you, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that was not Bro Cuomo, obviously it was. It was

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Speaker 1: wrong on my sheet here. You know, hey, we're doing

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Speaker 1: a show. I'm sometimes we get that was Jake Tapper,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to get a really mean email

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Speaker 1: telling me I'll never work in this town again. So

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure I get I get it right.

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Speaker 1: You make any mistake where Tapper's concerned, and you know

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Speaker 1: you're you're in a whole bunch your your career all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden will be will be threatened. He's a really,

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Speaker 1: really lovely fellow. But Bro Cuomo over at CNN is

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Speaker 1: somebody we'll talk about another time. Jake Tapper was the

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Speaker 1: one who I mean, really went after Duffy. The guy

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Speaker 1: works for CNN, no one. They're not giving an effort

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Speaker 1: to apologize. They're just trashing him because it's necessary right

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Speaker 1: now for the bit. It's give an opportunity to make

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Speaker 1: it right. And I believe Cuomo Walls and there were

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Speaker 1: other anchors as well that if from what I saw

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Speaker 1: on the headlines, went after Duffy for this, but Tapper

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Speaker 1: just tore into him, and poor guy. I'm sure Duffy

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Speaker 1: he's trying to make money, you know, feed his family.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to you know, think about some media apportunities.

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Speaker 1: He's a I had drinks with a guy in DC.

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Speaker 1: He's a really nice dude and a good guy. And

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Speaker 1: does anyone think he doesn't like the mility? This is

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Speaker 1: the part of this that gets to me. So does

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Speaker 1: anyone think he doesn't respect the military? Of course not.

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Speaker 1: Duffy's a patriot. He said he got a little caught

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Speaker 1: up in something, but then they just just just trash him,

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Speaker 1: just just smash him down because he's a Republican. That's

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Speaker 1: the way they play the game over there. So I

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Speaker 1: just want to know. This is how things are done

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Speaker 1: in the media environment that we're currently in. And that's

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Speaker 1: why people ask me, who, would you ever go back

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Speaker 1: to CNN? Yeah? I would. I would totally go back

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Speaker 1: and work for CNN when Jeff Zucker doesn't run it

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Speaker 1: and the place is no longer crazy. There we go

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Speaker 1: when it actually tries to be doesn't have to be conservative,

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Speaker 1: it just can't be insane, and to have to put

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Speaker 1: a there's I have a hard pass on working at

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Speaker 1: crazy CNN. It's always been liberal, but they used to

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Speaker 1: have a little bit more sense of decorum and decency

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Speaker 1: about how they treated conservatives. Now the places just turned

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Speaker 1: into a into a cesspool. It's grotesque. But anyway, I

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Speaker 1: feel bad for I feel bad for Davie just because

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Speaker 1: he's working there right now. I'm sure I'll change at

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Speaker 1: some point. Eventually people will realize. I mean, maybe the

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Speaker 1: CNN audience will realize that they're just being fed propaganda

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Speaker 1: under the guise of journalism, which is even worse. The

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Speaker 1: inspiration of leaders who are going to put people first

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Speaker 1: is so important, and that's going to make people vote.

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Speaker 1: Another reason why people are going to vote because Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is manipulate, manipulating the White House and has aligned

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Speaker 1: himself with Ices and Saudi Arabia. I take I have

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Speaker 1: to say that that is not true. But the most

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Speaker 1: important thing that we can do today is vote for civility.

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Speaker 1: Vote for a president who's night bring aligned himself with

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Speaker 1: the most dangerous foreign nations that are the reason why

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Speaker 1: we are had nine to eleven. He's almost like a

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Speaker 1: Bond villain who also tells you his whole master plan

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Speaker 1: before he tries to kill you, and he just says

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Speaker 1: it out loud and as you say this is going

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Speaker 1: to be He's a recruiting sergeant for ISIS, Chris. In

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Speaker 1: so many ways. Tony mentioned the whole oil argument, which

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Speaker 1: has obviously been a narrative for a long time. He

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Speaker 1: also is someone who is an islamophobe, which obviously helps

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Speaker 1: groups like ISIS recruit disillusion angry young men from across

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Speaker 1: the world, not just from across the Middle East. He's featured,

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Speaker 1: He's been featured in ISIS recruiting videos in his Muslim

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Speaker 1: band has definitely been a recruiting ad for ISIS. So

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Speaker 1: in many ways he helps quote unquote the enemy. The

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Speaker 1: same week I just want to know, you know, we

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Speaker 1: just had that Oh they're they're all, they're all trashing,

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Speaker 1: you know, Duffy. The same week that the President the

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Speaker 1: United States presides over the operation to take out Abubakar

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Speaker 1: bah Daddy, you got people going on TV including that

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Speaker 1: was the first lady. There was the Arizona Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: chairman Rotalini saying Trump is aligned with the Islamic State.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there'll be any somber monologue over

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Speaker 1: at CNN or MSNBC about how that's such a slander.

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Speaker 1: Trump has aligned himself with ISIS. Yeah, that's right, the

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Speaker 1: president United States, this is a Democratic Party official, folks,

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Speaker 1: is an ally of the group that has killed tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands, rapes, mutilates, murders. That's a fair thing to say, right,

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Speaker 1: That's a normal rational thing to say about. So these

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Speaker 1: people are out of their minds. And then some guy

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Speaker 1: from the Intercept, which is really just doing the bidding

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Speaker 1: of hostile for an intelligence services all the time by

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Speaker 1: trying to take down different elements of United States government.

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Speaker 1: The the and dis guy from the Intercept called him

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Speaker 1: a recruiting sergeant for ISIS. And now I know that

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Speaker 1: was a rhetorical flourish, but even still, Yeah, Trump, Trump

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Speaker 1: the one who escalated the air campagn killing more ISIS

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Speaker 1: guys than his predecessor, going after ISIS harder, willing to

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Speaker 1: take the political risk by the way that Obama was

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Speaker 1: not of civilian casualties of an escalated air campaign that

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Speaker 1: could have gone awry, Trump was willing to deal with

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Speaker 1: that ISIS gets eradicated, Abu bakh l Blah Daddy is dead.

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Speaker 1: And you get people going on TV saying that Trump

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Speaker 1: is in an ISIS recruiter, where Democratic Party official media

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Speaker 1: person anyone. Is that unfair if we're gonna if we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be shocked and appalled that any criticism of

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Speaker 1: Bill Taylor or vinman two people who both disagree with

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Speaker 1: the president on Ukraine policy. Fine, they're allowed to do that,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I just am allowed to not care.

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Speaker 1: But why is it that calling the commander in chief? Well,

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Speaker 1: we know they call him a traitor, a liar, a

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Speaker 1: a rapist, a crazy person, a moron. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing that they haven't said about Trump yet that they

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Speaker 1: thought would be damaging. They hold back in no way whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: So what we are supposed to continue to play the

853
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: left game here? If you can't criticize whoever they put

854
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: forward to be the anti Trump voice of the moment,

855
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: you can't criticize. If you criticize them, you're a bad person.

856
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking about criticizing even the ideas. By the way,

857
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: I have no criticism of Taylor, of Vin Menes people.

858
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't know them, and I don't criticize their service

859
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 1: to the country. I don't criticize their aspirations in their

860
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: roles or you know, what they're trying to do day

861
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: to day. I just disagree with what they've done in

862
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: this instance. But this is a very dishonest way of

863
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: shutting down debate and discussion by saying, if you, in

864
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: this case don't like what someone is saying, and that

865
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: person has done something that's honorable, or they've been a

866
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: victim of something, or this is how this is how

867
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: the left argues on gun control. Oh, let's put kids

868
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: from the school where there was the mass shooting out

869
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: there to tell the whole country what the Second Amendment

870
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: really means. And if you disagree with them, you don't

871
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: care about dead kids. Oh, let's put Greta Thunberg out there,

872
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: and then if you if you disagree with Greta Thunberg,

873
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old, he's telling us about how to

874
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: rearrange trillions of dollars of wealth based on a vastly

875
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: complicated scientific theory that nobody can really prove. Oh, you're

876
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: tear your child back. I was called the child basher,

877
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: and I will tell you I have bashed zero children.

878
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I did not bash any kid. That was a lie.

879
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: There are new stories written about this. Oh, these guys,

880
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: right wing pundit child basher. Those people are morons. And

881
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: now we had we had the same thing with Komey.

882
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: Who thinks that Komy is beyond reproach? Now nobody. Oh,

883
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: we were told that though as soon as Trump fired him,

884
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: people were people were crying in the hallways of the FB.

885
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, James Kobe's not the FBI director anymore.

886
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I won't shut up to my job, like this is

887
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: what we're being told. I remember reading the news stories.

888
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: I meanwhile, every person, as I've told you that I

889
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: know who worked with, call me. It's like, yeah, that

890
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: guy is a self righteous, sanctimonious weirdo. Sank Tokomi is

891
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: not cool. No Muller the same thing. If you didn't

892
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: like the Mueller investigation, you were spitting on his service

893
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: in Vietnam as a marine. That's that's what was being

894
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: pushed out there by the allies of this thing. You see,

895
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: we can we can never have a fair and open

896
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: discussion about what is that issue. There's always this effort

897
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: to silence, There's always this effort to shut down opposing

898
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: voices by using dishonest, unfair tactics. That's what we have

899
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: here once again, and this is now Unfortunately, this is

900
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: the standard operating procedure for the left. This is not

901
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: a one off. It doesn't just happen occasionally. It's not

902
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: once in a while. They put they like to put

903
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: forward somebody who either has a resume that you are not,

904
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: you know, a resume that is unassailable, or has a

905
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: victims status that if you challenge them on an issue

906
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: of policy or an issue of fact, you are negating

907
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: their victims status, and therefore you're a bad person. You're

908
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: victimizing them all over again. You're a bad person. Media

909
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: never holds itself to account for this, and it's on

910
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: yet another reason why one of my favorite things about

911
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: President Trump is that he just doesn't cave on this stuff.

912
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: He doesn't bend the knee. He doesn't say, oh yeah,

913
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: you're right, I can't say anything about this person. I'm

914
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: not allowed to criticize this person. No, Trump will continue

915
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: his critiques. He'll continue fighting back against those who are,

916
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: first of all many cases, attacking him personally, but even

917
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: not attacking him personally, they're opposing his policies. We all

918
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: know what it's like to have Republican leadership that just

919
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: takes it, just takes it, you know, Oh yeah, I

920
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: don't want to I don't want to be nasty in response.

921
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to be quiet about this. I

922
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: think that one of the promises of the Trump administration,

923
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: an implicit promise of the Trump administration, is that leadership

924
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: on the right would no longer sit around and say, yeah, sure,

925
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you guys want to do to us, We'll

926
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: just accept that as the new, as the new status quo,

927
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: or as the continuation, rather of the status quo, saying

928
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: that's not how things should go. It's not how things

929
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: would go. This vinmint thing, by the way, will be

930
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: dropped this week because next week will be another witness,

931
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: and then we got that another witness, and then we

932
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: get that another witness. They're really just hoping to make

933
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: us say, fine, impeach him, just make this stop, anything

934
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: to make this stop. It's just so boring, it's so worthless.

935
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: But how do we get around it? Unfortunately, the only

936
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: way to get around it is to get through it,

937
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: to fight through it. Trump knows that, I'm just not

938
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: always sure that many conservatives do. These days. I start

939
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: to worry about where the right really is on all

940
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: of this. What makes a good manager? What makes a

941
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: good boss? You know? The number one reason, at least

942
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: when I used to pay attention to these things, but

943
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: I used to always see this. The number one reason

944
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: that people leave their job is that they're across all industries,

945
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: no matter what you're doing, no matter where you are.

946
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: The number one reason people say, you know what, I

947
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: just can't do this anymore is they cannot stand their

948
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: first line manager, essentially the boss that is responsible for them,

949
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: not the CEO boss, right, the boss that they they're supervisor,

950
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: They're immediate supervisor. And it makes sense. I remember I

951
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: worked once in the government and there was someone who

952
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: thought that the best way to get us to do

953
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: things was to just walk around the office and I

954
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: mean physically literally poke people from behind, like poke them

955
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: in the back of the shoulders, say hey, what are

956
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: you what are you doing? Just all a constant. It

957
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: was the most anxiety producer thing you could imagine in

958
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: an office environment. I mean it was, hey, hey, what

959
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: are you doing? And you look at the person that'd say,

960
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: my job. I think I'm working on a proposal or

961
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: a project or something. Oh. It turns out that people

962
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: are starting to look at this more because management culture,

963
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: I think does need quite a bit of quite a

964
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: bit of a look especially in large organizations, whether it's

965
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: very hierarchical. The Wall Street Journal had a great, a

966
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: great piece on this today. Bosses get out of the way.

967
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: And the main thing is how many bosses don't understand

968
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: that what they are doing is at best meaningless and

969
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: perhaps counterproductive, but they think they're doing a great job.

970
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: How many how many of you know exactly what I'm

971
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: talking about. I can tell you that one of the

972
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: bosses that I have had in media at a previous

973
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: company that I no longer work for, really thought that

974
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: just holding meetings was in and of itself a worthwhile endeavor.

975
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: That you know, if you're serious about what you're doing,

976
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: you got to hold a meeting, even if we all

977
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: sat there and looked at each other and thought, what

978
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: is going on here? Why are we having this meetings?

979
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: At this meeting? And it turns out that the reason

980
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: this is getting people to pay more attention. The reason

981
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: people are paying more attention this is that they're doing

982
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: a lot of research that finds out that people are

983
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: productive when the boss just leaves them alone, because your

984
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: work product is what will be judged right, Your ability

985
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: to do the job is what matters. But bosses that

986
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: hover I even learned a new term from this from

987
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: this piece today, and I just love it because I've like,

988
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: I've had good Bassett passes. I'd like to go bass fishing. No,

989
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: I've had good bosses, and I've had terrible bosses. I've

990
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: had terrible bosses, and I can tell you that it

991
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:16,479
Speaker 1: does make a real difference management by walking around. I'd

992
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: never heard that term before, but it's you know what,

993
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: you those of you who have been in an office

994
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: environment know that the boss who thinks that they just

995
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: got to just be around, gotta hover, got I just

996
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: make people anxious. That's that's a contribution. Oh, they're helping people.

997
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: They're because you know, they're they're there in case there's

998
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: a question, but also they're making sure that work is

999
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: getting done. I can assure you that most of us

1000
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: figure out that the MBWA situation management by walking around

1001
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: the best way to deal with it is just to

1002
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: always make sure that you have one screen open that's

1003
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: work and one screen open that is your Amazon shopping list,

1004
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: and just pay attention to where that boss is. No

1005
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: one's like, oh, the bosses walking around, better actually do

1006
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: my job now that I wasn't doing before. If anything,

1007
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: I think resented resent that the term that we used

1008
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: to use when I was in government all the time,

1009
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: and it really does convey the irritation from the whole

1010
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: thing was micro management. Micro mic are just getting into

1011
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: that what do you do? What do you do? Where

1012
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: are you doing? Where's let's have a meeting, Let's have

1013
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: another meeting, Let's have a horrible, horrible stuff. In fact,

1014
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,919
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I think I left government work.

1015
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: There are several of them, but one of the reasons

1016
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: was the only way to really rise was to be

1017
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: in charge of other people and their work product, to

1018
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: be a manager. I didn't want to do that. I

1019
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: wanted to be in charge of what I was doing,

1020
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: judged by my ability to produce, to make things, and

1021
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: you know now here I am in the media business

1022
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: as a content person, which is what I wanted to do,

1023
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: But I wanted to be a make stuff guy, not

1024
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: a make sure other people are making stuff guy. Now,

1025
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: there is such a thing as fantastic leadership and management

1026
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: and a corporate culture. I get that. There's a reason

1027
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: really good CEOs make a lot of money. There's a

1028
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: reason that people almost worship, you know, Steve Jobs, even

1029
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: though from what I understand. He wasn't a particularly nice

1030
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: guy a lot of the time. But bosses the old

1031
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: culture of the boss that walks around and holds meetings

1032
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: bosses or a problem. Oh but management by walking around?

1033
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: Here's what it says. Even leaders who use the much

1034
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: ballyhooed management practice of walking around, who devote big chunks

1035
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: of time to observing frontline work and asking employees to

1036
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: identify problems and solutions, may do more harm than good.

1037
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: You know this guy wrote this piece writes about my

1038
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: Stanford colleague Katherine Segovia and I have recruited our students

1039
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: to help new managers get out of their employees way.

1040
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: We arrange for student teams to attend meetings led by

1041
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: each boss and record the percentage of time that each

1042
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: leader talked, as well as counting the number of statements

1043
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: each leader made versus the number of questions that he

1044
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: or she asked. One manager, for example, was surprised to

1045
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: learned that he talked almost the entire time during a

1046
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: fifteen minute meeting and ask only one question, and that

1047
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: his team viewed this standing meeting as a complete waste

1048
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: of time. This information, along with some coaching from our

1049
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: students helped this new boss learn and ask more questions

1050
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: as people appreciated. Yeah, a lot of unnecessary meetings going

1051
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: on in American corporate culture. A lot of focus on

1052
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 1: process over outcomes. Outcomes are what matters. Right. Outcomes is

1053
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: what brings dollars in, what sends dollars. Out Outcome is

1054
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: what the focus should always be in a corporate environment.

1055
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: And I just think that I wish that there had

1056
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: been better management instruction, particularly, I'll be the most of

1057
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: the government managers I dealt with were almost buffoonish in

1058
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: their incompetence, most of them, not all of them, But

1059
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: I remember I worked in the federal government as well

1060
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: as local government here in New York City for the NYPD.

1061
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: My NYPD second line manager was a pretty good guy.

1062
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: My first line manager was a nightmare, a micromanaging, poke

1063
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Speaker 1: you in the shoulder, what are you doing? Why isn't

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Speaker 1: this finished? Where is this thing? Nightmare? And I'm somebody

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01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: who just as a general, I'm just not a bend

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: of the knee kind of guy. I just don't like

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01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: it when somebody is being unreasonable and trying to make

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Speaker 1: my life more difficult. It has to be, And so

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01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: I tend to be the kind of person who, in

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Speaker 1: that corporate environment would then find ways to do things

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Speaker 1: my way and extend a particular digit of my left

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Speaker 1: or right hand in the general direction of management. I

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01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: was not a good person at dealing with that, with

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Speaker 1: that micromanaging culture, and that then brings me in another

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Speaker 1: part of this piece, the Wall Street, which I just

1076
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: think is great. I'm trying. I'm let me tell you

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Speaker 1: who the authors were, just to give them credit for this. Bosses,

1078
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: get out of your employees way. As the piece Robert Sutton,

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: there's the one who wrote it. He writes about flexing

1080
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: the hierarchy. Here's another one. Another hallmark of skilled leaders

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01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: that they understand that they're people and work they do

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01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: so well that they are masters of flexing the hierarchy

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01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: to fit the situation. Lendrid Greer, a management professor at

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Speaker 1: the University of Michigan, finds that the best leaders don't

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01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: hesitate to exert top down control when quick decisions and

1086
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: immediate actions are essential, and they switch gears and flatten

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Speaker 1: hierarchy when they need to solicit everyone's opinion, develop employee

1088
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: buy in, and make it safe to discuss and comfortable truths,

1089
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: criticize others, and generate half baked and controversial solutions. I

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Speaker 1: can tell you that very I dealt with a one

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Speaker 1: of the more senior managers they dealt with down in

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Speaker 1: DC working on the Hill TV project, had a habit,

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Speaker 1: and there were several of them, so I'm not named

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01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: name here, but had had a habit of We're just

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01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: going to do it because I say we're gonna do it.

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01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it this way because I say we're

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01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: going to do it this way. And his approach was

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01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: such that even on minor issues where it was really

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: a judgment call, that it wasn't important and there's no

1100
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: right answer but to do the because I say so

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01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: routine when you're not dealing with a toddler, when you're

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: in an office of adults, in fact, in this case,

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01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: adults who kind of knew a lot more than this

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01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: person about what was going on. That does not do

1105
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: good things for outcomes or for morale, which is another

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: part of this too. Right management is about what the

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01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: end product is, or whatever the company is, whatever the

1108
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: service is they're providing, of course, but it's also about

1109
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: how do people feel in that office environment and I've

1110
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: seen I've seen it where it's spree to corps is high.

1111
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: And when a spree to core is high, people don't

1112
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 1: have to stay they have to. They don't be told

1113
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: to stay late, they don't have to be told to

1114
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: get things done on time or to show up on time,

1115
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: or they do it because they're proud of what's going on.

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you this. In my Rock Office

1117
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: of the CIA, we had we had a spree of

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: corps in that office, man, I mean, we were we

1119
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: were focused, We had good management, people cared about what

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Speaker 1: they were doing. Um, there was a really healthy sense

1121
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: of competition for who was doing the most to help

1122
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: on the policy side, on the on the you know,

1123
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Speaker 1: on the supporting the warfighter side, whatever it may be.

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: And that just reflected all the way down. We wore

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01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, we we dressed up in the sense we

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01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: wore suits even though we didn't have to, because like

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01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: we wore suits because we were the we're a war office,

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Speaker 1: and damn it, it it was serious stuff, you know we

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Speaker 1: And that was just the culture of that office. And I,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I went to the NYPD, it was

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01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: a very very different culture because I was dealing on

1132
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: the civilian side there, but flexing the hierarchy is also

1133
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: so important. Don't do the because I said so unless

1134
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: you're the lack of an immediate decision is going to

1135
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: have real ramifications, you know, unless the lack of an

1136
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: IMMO immediate change in direction for the company is going

1137
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: to you know, allow people to be heard, and don't

1138
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: just shut things down or talk over them because you can.

1139
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: Another another big mistake that I think a lot of

1140
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: managers run into is they just get lazy with it,

1141
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: like all right, all right, like we're done. When I

1142
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: say we're done, I don't care what other people say.

1143
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: Managing people is one of the most important skills you're

1144
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: going to have in any work environment. And really life

1145
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: is all about managing people. Your personal life, your professional life.

1146
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: How do you deal with other human beings? Do you

1147
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: bring out better things in them? Do they feel comfortable

1148
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: around you? Do they trust you or not? It's true

1149
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: of managers, true of family members, true of everybody. You know,

1150
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: how are you dealing with those around you? So don't

1151
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: do management by walking around. Don't just sort of, you know,

1152
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: poke people on the shoulder and say what are you doing?

1153
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Drive them crazy, drove me crazy.

1154
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: Be a good boss. You need the money and to

1155
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: get the money we need to stop. Because Jonathan's got

1156
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: a vision which I agree with. But in order to

1157
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: pay for that, we need the money and to get

1158
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: the money in we need to stop. Brexcent or two

1159
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: percent of GDP isn't going to make a difference. Let

1160
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Maria speak, Man's climate change is You know, if you

1161
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: are describing Jeremy Corbyn as business as usual, then you

1162
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: haven't been reading the newspapers or watching the television. He

1163
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 1: was green before the Greens existed. He rode a bike.

1164
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: He's gotten a lootman. He will do both. He will

1165
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: bring social justice and a green revolution. So have the

1166
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: vision on the Greens, but vote Labor if you really

1167
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: wanted to have got to be more than a lootman.

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01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: And lets us look at the facts. In twenty seventeen,

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01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: man splaining, and Adam Hans asked me to respond, and

1170
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: if you continue to mansplain, I'll have to complain. Please

1171
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: don't resort to sexism when we're trying to have a conversation.

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01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: Do you stop man splaining? I've asked you three times,

1173
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: Oh can you stop man splaining? Please? Could you stop

1174
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: the man splaining poor guys like nanny? That was very

1175
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: a TV interview. I don't even care whether they're talking

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01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: about Brexit, I think, or core a bit or who

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: cares British politics whatever. It's not something I really care

1178
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: very much about. I don't care at all. Really, I

1179
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: care only as much as I need to care so

1180
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: that I can inform you all with the facts. Right.

1181
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: But she's like, stop man splaining. What you do? Will

1182
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: you man splaining again? For what's that all about? Just

1183
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: I want to play well, just because I thought it

1184
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: was so funny. This reminds me of when the former

1185
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: governor of Michigan, Grand Holme, looked at me on the

1186
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: Bill Marshaw and went kids in cages, kids in cages?

1187
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: Out of nowhere, Like, lady, I didn't put any kids

1188
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: in cages. Like what do you even We're not even

1189
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: talking about that. She's like, Mic, drop kids in cages here.

1190
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: We had another version of just say something, say some

1191
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: stupid slogan to somebody you're having a political debate with,

1192
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: and then hope that no one calls you out of it.

1193
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: Stop stop your man splaining. I want to know, is

1194
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: it is it? Man? Splaining just for a man to

1195
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: try to explain something now. And also it's worth noting

1196
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: that the Brits have a similar language now about some

1197
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: of these political issues like social justice. Jeremy Corbyn was

1198
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: green before there was green. He was riding his bicycle

1199
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: making sure that the Coeo two that was you know,

1200
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: coming out there. It's like it's you know, it's not

1201
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: like the sea. It's not like the methane coming out

1202
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: of cowbums. You know what I mean? Uh, you know

1203
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: they have the same stuff going on over there that

1204
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: we do. You've got to stop the cow bum farts.

1205
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: You've got to stop it. It's important. It's gonna save

1206
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: the planet. All of a sudden, I've started to switch

1207
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: over and all the snow accent from what's that Forgetting

1208
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: Sarah Marshall. That's He's great. I was going to listen

1209
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: to your tape, but I decided to just go on

1210
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: living my life. He's the best part of that movie.

1211
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: In many ways. I did not like Get him to

1212
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: the Greek at all, though the Falling movie did not

1213
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: think that was good. You like get him. I don't

1214
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: even know if we're allowed we're gonna allow you to

1215
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: weigh in anymore on anything you like that movie that

1216
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: I love, Get Him to the Greek. Oh my god,

1217
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: it was fantastic. I love Jonah Hill. I don't even

1218
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Now. A lot

1219
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: of people like Forgetting Sarah Cors. Okay, well, there we

1220
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: can agree on that. It's a very good movie. But

1221
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: while I just want to know why it's producing Mark

1222
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: man splaining. He's just sitting there man splaining away, and

1223
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I'm trying to do a radio show

1224
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: her producer, Mark, why can't you stop man splaining? I

1225
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: have to man explain to you that Get Him to

1226
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: the Greek was a good movie. Apparently, I'm wondering who

1227
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: the audience is with on this one. Light it up

1228
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: in those comments. Let us so Get in the Greek.

1229
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was depressing. It's like sad at the end.

1230
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: Does he have like a cheats on his wife or something?

1231
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: It's bad he married real life with Russell Brand and

1232
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,600
Speaker 1: Katie Perry married in real life. They were oh they

1233
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: will yeah, no, no, I'm in Jonah Hill. Isn't he

1234
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: like cheating on his wife or something in the thing.

1235
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I forget now, oh, spoilers. I am

1236
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: sorry about the Joker spoiler that I didn't know. Somebody

1237
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 1: wrote it in I didn't know any better, so we

1238
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a Joker spoiler going on there.

1239
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: It is what it is, um, But anyway, man's plaining

1240
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: is a thing now, man spreading, which I try to

1241
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: avoid doing on the subway. Are you familiar with man spreading?

1242
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: You sit down on the subway? Yeah, of course, no,

1243
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: I never do. You don't sit on the subway. What

1244
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: do you like a germ, germaphol or something. Yeah, but

1245
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't think though. I don't think the cold virus

1246
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: is gonna get like, you know, through your pants, into

1247
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: your into your thing. I'm also lonely on the subway

1248
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: for like four stops, so you're one of those. Yeah, yeah,

1249
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: that's nice. I have kind of a long subway ride

1250
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: every day. Oh yeah, ten whole minutes. Your whole commune

1251
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: is ten minutes. Boo hoo, look at this. Yeah, I

1252
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: got it. You know, I'm a man of the people.

1253
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: I ride the subway. What can I tell your commune

1254
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: is ten minutes? Here? You still show up late? I

1255
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: reas don't produce the mark the show begins when the

1256
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: host arrives. He's like, no, technically, we have studio time.

1257
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about this studio time

1258
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: thing that we're supposed to be discussing. But yeah, yes,

1259
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: there are clocks and there is a time we have

1260
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: to do the show. But I think the show happens

1261
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: when Buck starts talking to the team. All right, So

1262
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the deep state efforts to subvert

1263
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: this president for a long time, but there is a

1264
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: lot more information that we need to get and there's

1265
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: more analysis that we need to know, especially as we're

1266
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: going into an election year. There's a fantastic new book

1267
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: out from investigative journalist and author Lee Smith, The Plot

1268
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: Against the President, The true story of how Congressman Devin

1269
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: un has uncovered the biggest political scandal in US history.

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Speaker 1: Lee joins us Now, Lee, thanks so much, Ben It congrats.

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Speaker 1: I see the President tweeted about how great your book is. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was very exciting, the President tweeted about the book.

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Speaker 1: It's been a number one bestseller on Amazon, the number

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Speaker 1: one and number one on Barnes and Nobles. So it's

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Speaker 1: very very exciting, and it's no it's testament to everyone

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Speaker 1: understands the historic importance of the world that Congressman Nunez

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Speaker 1: and his team did investigating the FBI investigator. Now, we've

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Speaker 1: had a lot of news coverage. I've talked to people.

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Speaker 1: I can't even I couldn't even begin to count the

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Speaker 1: hours in the days we've spent on this Russia collusion hoax,

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Speaker 1: and some good books written about it. My friend Dan

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Speaker 1: Bongino as a book about it. I mean, what are

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Speaker 1: you focusing on in the plot against the president? And

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Speaker 1: what do people need to know that they may not

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Speaker 1: already know right well, I wanted to tell I wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell the story, explain what happened through the perspective

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Speaker 1: of Congressman Nunez and his team, some of them, some

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Speaker 1: of their names that haven't really been reported that much before,

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Speaker 1: like one of his leading investigators, a gentleman named kesh

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Speaker 1: Yet Petel, who's a very fascinating character. And as the Congressman,

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Speaker 1: Congressman said and I recorded in the book, without cash,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't be able to they would not have been

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Speaker 1: able to do all the things they got done. And

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Speaker 1: it's remarkable what I found reporting the book with them

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Speaker 1: speaking extensively with the Congressman, with mister Petel, with mister

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Speaker 1: Jack Langer, who's Congressman nun as his communications director. These

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Speaker 1: guys were standing in the middle of Mayhem and they

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Speaker 1: were actually the only thing for a while between between

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Speaker 1: between Trump and impeachment. They were the ones who they

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Speaker 1: were the only ones who are running an offense. This

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Speaker 1: was while Jess Sessions was the Attorney General and he

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Speaker 1: had recused himself. So had Congressman Nunez and his guys

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Speaker 1: not found stuff, not requested documents, not asked for different things,

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Speaker 1: not made their case on TV, we might be in

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Speaker 1: a very different situation right now where where the where

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Speaker 1: these deep state operatives might have actually taken down the president.

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Speaker 1: What kind of things did they find out, you know,

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Speaker 1: in that you said they were able to go on

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Speaker 1: offense and not just allow the Democrat anti Trump coup

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Speaker 1: to play out. What were some of the big eureka

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Speaker 1: moments that they had. Well, the first thing that they

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Speaker 1: found I was at the Clinton campaign had paid for

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Speaker 1: the dossier. That was the first big thing they found out.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that they found out, and another thing they

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Speaker 1: found out was how assistant Deputy Attorney General Bruce Orr,

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Speaker 1: who had no business participating in this investigation, was actually

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Speaker 1: not only a part of the investigation the FBI's investigation,

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Speaker 1: he was also former British spy Christopher Steele's back channel

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Speaker 1: to the FBI. After Steele had been fired by the

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Speaker 1: Bureau for speaking to the press. Bruce Or, whose wife

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Speaker 1: Nelly worked for Fusion GPS, was the back channel to

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Speaker 1: the FBI. So they found that they also got they

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Speaker 1: were also the ones and that was the Inspector General

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Speaker 1: who located the texts between FBI agent Peter Struck and

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Speaker 1: his girlfriend FBI lawyer Lisa Page. There was the Inspector

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Speaker 1: General who found that, and then the Special Counsel Robert

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Speaker 1: Muller reassigned Struck. But it was Noonez and his guys

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Speaker 1: who found out what had been going on, and they requested,

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Speaker 1: they demanded these documents, these texts, and which were eventually,

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Speaker 1: after many long and arduous fights, delivered delivered to the Hill.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, they really when you look at what

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Speaker 1: we know about the Russia investigations, the abuses and likely

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Speaker 1: crimes committed during the FBI's investigation of Donald Trump, that

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Speaker 1: was they who found it. The most important thing of

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Speaker 1: course they found was the fact that the Clinton campaign's

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Speaker 1: opposition research was the centerpiece and the FBI's portfolio of

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Speaker 1: evidence to obtain a warrant to spy on Trump campaign

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Speaker 1: advisor Carter Page, which of course opened up the communications

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Speaker 1: for the entire Trump team. Basically, one of the important

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Speaker 1: cases that my book makes is that what happened here

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Speaker 1: is we often forget who was the primary beneficiary of

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Speaker 1: the FBI spying on the Trump campaign. They weren't just

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Speaker 1: spying to amuse themselves and to torture Trump and as advisors.

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Speaker 1: The primary beneficiary of the FBI's work, the FBI's operation

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Speaker 1: anti Trump operation was the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now you

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Speaker 1: mentioned some of the abuses and possible illegality. What are

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Speaker 1: the biggest abuses that you get into in the book

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Speaker 1: that we know happened, and what are some of the

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Speaker 1: ones that you think, you know, the evidence points toward happened,

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Speaker 1: but we need to find out more about. Yeah, one

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Speaker 1: of the things we need to find out more about,

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Speaker 1: and I cite certain documents in my book that I acquired,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things we need to find

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Speaker 1: out is, well, the case I make is that Christopher

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Speaker 1: Steele did not write where he was certainly anything but

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Speaker 1: the primary author of the dossier named after him. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: found is they were actually doing opposition research investigating the

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Speaker 1: Trump team's possible ties to organized crime. I have a

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Speaker 1: document dated May twentieth, twenty sixteen, and that shows that's

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Speaker 1: what they were doing, Fusion GPS investigating the Trump teams

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Speaker 1: ties to organized crime. Within a month when they say

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Speaker 1: they bring on Christopher Steele, the first Steel report that

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Speaker 1: is written is June twentieth. At that point, there's a

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Speaker 1: profound transformation. It goes from an opposition research regarding Trump's

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Speaker 1: ties to alleged tized organized crime to Trump's alleged ties

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Speaker 1: to a foreign power. This lays the groundwork for a

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Speaker 1: counter intelligence investigation. So one of the questions that we

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Speaker 1: need to ask is not when the FBI got the dossier,

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Speaker 1: not when they started looking. As you know, Buck, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of controversy whether they got it in July

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Speaker 1: or whether they got in September as they say. For

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Speaker 1: the cover story. The question is whether or not the

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Speaker 1: FBI wrote the dossier or directed the dossier said that

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Speaker 1: it would help them obtain a surveillance warrant, a spy

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Speaker 1: warrant on Carter page. That's an enormous question that comes

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Speaker 1: out of it. Ah, So you think that there's the

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Speaker 1: possibility that you know, because what we've been led to believe,

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Speaker 1: at least to this point, is that the dossier was

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Speaker 1: taken in good faith by the FBI and then given

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Speaker 1: to the fiser Chord. What you're saying is, what if

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Speaker 1: the FBI was going back through Christopher Steele. We already

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Speaker 1: established Bruce Ordo Jay talking to Steele and saying get this,

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Speaker 1: get this, and an active participant in that dossier process,

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Speaker 1: and then turned around and acted like it was just

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Speaker 1: this external intelligence source that they had in order to

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Speaker 1: get FISE warrants. Is that am I on target the evidence?

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Speaker 1: And my book points to that. That's certainly question that

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Speaker 1: we need to have, that we need to have very

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Speaker 1: solid answers about. But again, if you if you I

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Speaker 1: mean Fusion GPS, the researcher Melior made these claims they

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Speaker 1: were doing opposition research into Trump's ties to organized crime.

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Speaker 1: That Steel Dassier has nothing to do with Russian organized crime,

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Speaker 1: that has to do with the Trump teams ties alleged

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Speaker 1: the Trump teams alleged tie to a foreign power. That's

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Speaker 1: a counter that's a counter intelligence matter. So these are

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Speaker 1: two very different things. And the idea, someone showed them

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Speaker 1: how to do it, showed them what they needed to write,

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Speaker 1: what they needed to claim in order to push toward

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Speaker 1: a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant to monitor the communications

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Speaker 1: of Trump advisor Carter Page. This is an enormous issue,

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Speaker 1: and this is one of the This is one of

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Speaker 1: the main takeaways from from my book. Now we're speaking

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Speaker 1: to Lee Smith, author of The Plot Against the President,

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Speaker 1: the true story of how Congressman Devenue has uncovered the

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Speaker 1: biggest political scandal in US history. Lee, Where you know,

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Speaker 1: the plot is not over yet, right this, this story

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Speaker 1: has not ended yet. Where do you see this going

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Speaker 1: and what else do you want to focus on and

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Speaker 1: find out about? Right Well, I mean, when you look

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Speaker 1: at what the dossier is and what we've been going

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Speaker 1: through for three years and what we see right now,

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Speaker 1: would would the House Democrats pushing for impeachment? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a terrible thing that happened. The

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Speaker 1: Clinton campaign injected a conspiracy theory into the American public sphere,

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Speaker 1: it's almost as though it's almost as though the Clinton's

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, cursed America because they didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: She decided she would inject the conspiracy theory and the

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Speaker 1: eat it there. And now at the very least our

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Speaker 1: elite have not mad. You can't help but turn on

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Speaker 1: CNN or read the pages of the Washington Post or

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Speaker 1: Sea House Democrats like a bizarre like a bizarre cult,

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of ascurantists going on. First it's Trump

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Speaker 1: in Russia, and now it's Trump in Ukraine. But for

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi or the High Priestess Nancy Pelosi, it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing. All reads, all roads leads of Vladimir Putin?

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Speaker 1: It's madness. Do I think Trump will get impeached? This

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Speaker 1: is what I hear from much more, much more informed sources.

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Speaker 1: The realistic damage, however, done by the dossier and done

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Speaker 1: by the Russia operation is not only to American institutions

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Speaker 1: like the FBI, the dj likely, the CIA, and the

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Speaker 1: US press, but it's to America as a whole, the

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Speaker 1: public sphere, the way we speak with each other, the

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Speaker 1: way we conduct our politics, the way we live next

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Speaker 1: to each other and get along with each other. This

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Speaker 1: thing has driven the country mad. My book is an

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Speaker 1: effort to get to the bottom of what happened, to

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Speaker 1: try to clarify some points so that someday and the hope,

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Speaker 1: the lunacy that was kicked off by the FBI's Russia

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Speaker 1: investigation will come to an end and we can go

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Speaker 1: back to normal politics, have our debates, our partisan debates

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Speaker 1: between Republican and Democrat. We can do our regular politics.

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Speaker 1: That's not where we are as a country right now.

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Speaker 1: As much as President Trump is doing and as much

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Speaker 1: as he's succeeded, we are not in a healthy place

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Speaker 1: right now. The book is the plot against the president.

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Speaker 1: Author at Lee Smith lead, great workman, congrats to you

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Speaker 1: so far. Thank you, Buck, thanks very thanks very kindly,

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Speaker 1: and please come back and tell us when you get more.

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Speaker 1: All right, I look forward to it. Thanks again for

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Speaker 1: writing me on to talk all right. Take care. Oh

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Speaker 1: and we are back here in the Freedom Hunt with

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Speaker 1: the man himself, my fellow, the first host, mister Jess Kelly,

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Speaker 1: joins in on this action now. Jesse Kelly, everybody, Thanks Jesse.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? I prefer to call myself the legend Buck,

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Speaker 1: but I mean if you whatever the man works, I

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Speaker 1: guess I think we could do that. I think we

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Speaker 1: can start just refer to as the legend Jesse Kelly.

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Speaker 1: That would that would work. What's what's on the Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly Rado right now? I mean, I know you got

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Speaker 1: your show coming up. What are you gonna be talking about?

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Speaker 1: What's what's top of mind? Well, we're gonna go over

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Speaker 1: this Vindmin thing today and just exactly what that means.

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Speaker 1: It trives me crazy when they do this, Buck, and

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Speaker 1: I know you've seen this before. I know you've actually

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Speaker 1: personally experienced this before. Is when they take anybody a veteran,

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Speaker 1: a child, or anybody who's carrying their approved message and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden act like they actually care

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Speaker 1: about that person's thing. You know what I mean, Nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody who praised Vinemin yesterday gave a crap about Vindmon

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Speaker 1: or his rank or his purple heart or anything. You

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Speaker 1: had the approved message. So now all of a stuff,

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Speaker 1: what you can't criticize Zoom he's a veteran. That's funny.

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Speaker 1: The Left never obeys those rules for me. They never

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Speaker 1: obeyed those rules for you. I wonder why. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I look, I was when. I remember when I was

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Speaker 1: in the CIA, the left would crash the intelligence community

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Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, when the Bush administration was

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Speaker 1: in charge, intel community would just get the worst and

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01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: the worst from all the major media outlets. But in

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01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: the era of Trump, when there are some intel people

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Speaker 1: that obviously hate trumpets, how dare you? These aren't bureaucrats,

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Speaker 1: these are honorable public servants, sir. That's so classic. I

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Speaker 1: love it. It's so true and scared, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: they do this all the time. This is just example

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Speaker 1: number one thousand. I but you remember it was just

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01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago we were all going to die

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Speaker 1: in twelve years because a sixteen year old girl said

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Speaker 1: we were. And just because she wants to destroy the

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Speaker 1: country's economy in your way of life, that doesn't mean

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01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 1: you have the right to criticize her. She's just a charlad.

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Speaker 1: You get called a child basher because I got called

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01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: in media publications a child basher. I'd't even criticize her.

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: I criticized the stupid adults who listened to her. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah. They called me every name in the book,

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01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: and I did the same thing, you, dude, I didn't

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Speaker 1: criticize her just because she's the sixteen year old girl.

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I didn't listen to sixteen year old girls when I

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Speaker 1: was sixteen, let alone now. But it's just all the

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Speaker 1: people acting like she's some kind of Nobel Peace Prize winner.

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01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: So I have to go back across the Atlantic. There

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01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,480
Speaker 1: were there were professional journalists who were expressing their disappointment

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 1: that I think it was the I forget it was

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01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: the president. The Prime Minister of Era Trea got it

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01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: for helping to end the conflict between Era Trade Ethiopia

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01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: or something like that, or maybe it was the president

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01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 1: of Ethiopia. I forget one of those two countries. They've

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01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: been in confid long time. Point big. That's real stuff.

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01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: But that individual got the of a peace prize and

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01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: not sixteen year old Thunberg. And there were journalists who

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01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 1: at least theoretically make a living from knowing about things,

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01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: who were like, what an injustice? Yes, yes, well, I

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01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: mean we can all put that to bed now, right though, buck.

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01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean that that concept that that journalists make a

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01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: living by knowing things. Journalists today make a living by creating,

1516
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: completely manufacturing outrage from thin air. And that's that's what

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: they do when you wake up that morning. You work

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01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: for this jerkwater publication. Okay, what anti truck piece are

1519
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: you writing today? Oh well, there's nothing in the news.

1520
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: I better just invent something. And then the next guy

1521
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: write does something about the same thing, and on and

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01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: on it goes. And that's why we've had three years

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01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: of fake crap. Now, Jesse, if I had to, if

1524
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: I had to get an answer from you on this,

1525
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: which is worse MSNBC or CNN, you know what, you

1526
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: know what's worse, and it's actually neither of their fault.

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01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: I would say CNN is worse, but only because of

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01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: this book. There was a time in this country. Now,

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01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: I would argue with we've never been there with these

1530
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: major networks. There was a time in this country where

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01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: CNN was thought of to be the middle of the road.

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: You know, you had fives who stopped me right. You

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01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: have MSNBC, who's always thought to be left, and neither

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01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: of those companies have really made any apologies for that.

1535
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: But then you know CNN is the one down the middle,

1536
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: and so that's what's in every airport and everything else.

1537
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: CNN is way left of MSNBC anymore. And I mean

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01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 1: way left there. They're slight in digital form. Yeah, I

1539
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: think that they've turned into a hate Trump network specifically.

1540
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: I think it's personal from Jeff Zucker on down. I

1541
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: think the videos. I think that the mandate from Zucker

1542
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: is We're we're gonna We're gonna stop Trump. We're gonna

1543
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: end the Trump presidency. There's no question about it. I mean,

1544
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: they don't realize how much they actually aid the Trump presidency.

1545
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 1: If they could, if they could set aside that hate

1546
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 1: for a minute and actually watch half these compilation videos

1547
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: that Trump puts out online that everybody loves in their

1548
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: chair and in his base loves. They contain segments from CNN.

1549
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,839
Speaker 1: They're not they're not hurting Trump, they're writing his campaign

1550
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: material for it. Thin It's true. Where can folks go

1551
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,560
Speaker 1: to watch and see Jesse Kelly, Oh, that's right, the

1552
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: same place they can see the first which is what

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01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing too, which is channel two forty eight on

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01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: Pluto TV. Jesse. One last question we've got about a

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01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: middle Left. Is the first the single greatest new platform

1556
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: in conservative media and perhaps of all time. It's just

1557
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: early stage. I think the answer is yes, Well, there's

1558
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: no question. I mean it's you and I on there. Buck.

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01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: Of course, it's the greatest of all time. It's not

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01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: the greatest new it's the greatest now and it'll be

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01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: the greatest for the until the end of time. Fact check.

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01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: One hundred percent pure awesome. You're the Buck Saccent Show,

1563
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. There is no fat on this stake.

1564
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: It is all just deliciousness. Good my brother, all right, Jesse,

1565
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: thanks so much. Man. Guys, check out Jesse Kelly on

1566
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: the first jump to forty eight's where some of you

1567
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 1: are watching this now. Also, if you're listening on a

1568
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: radio down KPRC Houston, I think he's on seven Eastern.

1569
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, Jesse Kelly. We like to just

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01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: get a Jesse Jesse, you know, pop by stop in

1571
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: whatever whatever we can. Don't tell him. I said this,

1572
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: he's one of the most talented guys in the game

1573
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: these days. So but don't his ego is big enough,

1574
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: trust me. Let's talk about some crazy Democrat ideas, shall we.

1575
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: We didn't get to any of that today. I'm always

1576
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 1: discussing policy here on the show, and I feel like

1577
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: today we skipped past policy. What is the worst idea

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01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: that a Democrat has put forward in the last twenty

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01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: four hours, or what is the most buffoonish policy mistake

1580
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: that they have made. That's usually a tough question. It's

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01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 1: a lot of entrance into that race. There's a lot

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01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: of different directions you could go. And by the way,

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01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: is this weekend the marathon here in New York? It is,

1584
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: right anyway, I might I might go check that out.

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01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: It's fun to be the guy who I was gonna

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01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: talk policy and I'm talking about the marathon. But it's

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01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: fun to go stand by the finish line or like

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01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: about a mile from the finish line. Yeah, it is

1589
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: this weekend. Yes, what I thought, stand by a mouth

1590
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: from the finish line, because people sometimes will wear their

1591
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: name on their shirt and then you can just be like,

1592
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 1: that's right, dude, keep it, run it, keep it going.

1593
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: You just yell at everybody else. You just cheer people on.

1594
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, especially when you see the

1595
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: guys who are really like it looks like guys en galis,

1596
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 1: look like there might there might fall over at any moment.

1597
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: You're like, come on, deep, deep, you don't even know

1598
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: these people. You just it's great. It's great energy. I'll

1599
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: love it. And then there's the amazing and also slightly

1600
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: depressing feat of watching the truly elite runners who are

1601
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: on their twenty fifth mile, or if you want to

1602
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: watch the finish line and they're running twenty six miles

1603
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: faster than you or anyone you know could run one mile,

1604
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: or in fact that most people could run a hundred yards. Yeah,

1605
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: that's something. You see those guys in Galus just flying

1606
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 1: past you. It's pretty amazing. All right, back to policy.

1607
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I just got exciting. Remember the marathon was this weekend.

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01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: We have Oh, here we go? How do you pay?

1609
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Mayor Pete? He's supposed to be the serious, sober minded one, right,

1610
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: He's not one of these crazy radicals. He's a Rhodes scholar,

1611
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: he was in the military. How crazy could he possibly be? Well,

1612
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: as I discussed with you yesterday, a non partisan analysis

1613
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: of Medicare for All makes it clear that they simply

1614
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: don't have the money to pay for Medicare for all,

1615
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: and the only ways to pay for it would involve

1616
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: massive tax increases, I mean, mind blowing tax increases on everybody,

1617
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,320
Speaker 1: not just on the rich. Then rich don't have enough

1618
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: money to pay for this, So how does mayor peate

1619
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 1: deal with that reality. Well, he says that, oh, let's

1620
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: let the mayor have his say seventeen please, So the

1621
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 1: vast majority the costs of my plan can be covered

1622
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: by rolling back these unnecessary Trump corporate tax cuts that

1623
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: went mainly to the wealthy. That'll cover all but about

1624
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars of our plan. You might say

1625
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: one hundred billion dollars sounds like a lot, and you're right,

1626
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: but we have a plan to cover that. Part two,

1627
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: that's where our prescription drug plan comes in. So I

1628
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 1: got a plan to make sure that prescription drugs become

1629
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: more affordable in this country. A big part of that

1630
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: is allowing the federal government and Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

1631
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 1: And independent estimates of these kinds of policies suggest that

1632
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: we should be able to raise probably two or three

1633
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: hundred billion actually in savings to the treasury by moving

1634
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: in that direction over the next decade. So we're talking

1635
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,839
Speaker 1: about something that not only makes a sense for American

1636
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 1: consumers that we have a savings individually, but also saves

1637
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: money for the taxpayer as a whole. And some of

1638
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: those savings can be applied to carry the part of

1639
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: the cost of Medicare for all. Who this is just unserious.

1640
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no way that this is true.

1641
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: None of this, none of this can work Medicare for

1642
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: all if you're gonna if you're going to take the

1643
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,080
Speaker 1: existing Medicare program, which is not even as rich in

1644
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: benefits and on all the rest of it as what

1645
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, for example, and Elizabeth Warrener suggesting we adopt.

1646
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: But you're gonna save. Now, it's not just we're gonna

1647
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: pay for it, We're going to save the treasury money.

1648
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: Come on, folks, at what point is it just incumbent

1649
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: upon voters to not be dumb government's They're going to

1650
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: give a massive expansion of this single part of the

1651
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 1: federal budget that is the most problematic for spending this

1652
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: to oblivion. Medicare. That's the single that's the one thing

1653
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: that we cannot continue at our current rate without major

1654
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: financial consequences, negative consequences in the future. We're gonna take

1655
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 1: that one thing, We're gonna make it much bigger, and

1656
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna save money. Keep saying it. This is the

1657
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 1: This is the jelly donuts that are free that you

1658
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: can eat as much as you want, You'll never run

1659
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: out and we'll never make you fat. Do those jelly

1660
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: donuts exist? Everybody? If I told you that I could

1661
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: give you a dozen jelly donuts? By the way, do

1662
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:37,720
Speaker 1: we producer mark? Are we? Are we jelly donut in

1663
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 1: this place? Are we? Are we French Cruller? Are we

1664
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Boston Cream? What is? In fact? I'm a chocolate guy.

1665
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: Just chocolate straight through. Yeah, I'm a chocolate glaze. Maybe

1666
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: a little chocolate cream on top, maybe a chocolate stuffed

1667
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: respect acceptable answers, specifically crispy cream, chocolate cake. The best

1668
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: donut you can get? Is it from Dunkin Donuts? Or

1669
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: is it, in fact from that place in Canada that

1670
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called, Tim Hortons. Yeah, I've

1671
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: never had a Tim Hortons. Because you're an American? Yeah,

1672
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: because he loves America. Okay. But so the jelly donuts

1673
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: that you're eating, guess what, There are calories. They cost money,

1674
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: and they're not endless the and you and you know

1675
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 1: that without me having to explain that to you. It's

1676
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: like if I presented you with my endless jelly donuts

1677
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: that cost you nothing and that won't make you fat,

1678
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:25,879
Speaker 1: you'd say, buck, Come on, that is the intellectual equivalent

1679
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 1: of what it's going on here with Medicare for All.

1680
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:32,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna have better care. Everyone's gonna have care, no shortages,

1681
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: no rationing, and it's gonna save the government money and

1682
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna save you money. Who believes this? Who? Who? Who? What? What?

1683
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Archimedes sword in the stone? Uh? This is just I'm sorry, man,

1684
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: it's not gonna this dog just won't hunt. I'd just

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01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 1: like to say that dog just won't hunt. Say it

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01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,799
Speaker 1: just like that too. Oh And in case that wasn't

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01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: enough for you to have to accept. But already that's

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01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: that's whoa. That's way beyond what I think is reasonable

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01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 1: or rational. What about providing health insurance to illegal immigrant

1690
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 1: Remember we've been told this stuff that's not true about

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all, But what about adding illegal aliens into

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01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: the Medicare for All situations? So now illegal by those

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01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: of you that have Medicare. You've been paying your whole life.

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01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's just promise the government made to you,

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01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 1: taking your money, taking money from your paychecks all the time.

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Speaker 1: They're going to provide medicare for you later now, illegal

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01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: aliens is just gonna get They're just gonna get that.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, I'm sorry, illegal aliens that haven't been paying

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01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: into that and haven't been filing taxes. They're not going

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01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 1: to get Medicare for All from Democrats. I don't think so.

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01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Play eighteen please. In our vision, nobody is uninsured. We

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01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: make sure that you can't fall through the cracks. We'll

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01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: even retroactively enroll people onto this Medicare for All who

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01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: want a plan if they had been without insurance. The

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01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: idea for me is the most it's important thing is

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01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: making sure you get insured. It's not making sure that

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01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the government's doing the insuring. I think that the public

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01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: option can can do a better job. But the most

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01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: important thing is that one way or the other, you

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01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 1: get coverage, and in our plan, everybody does. They're not

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01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 1: even talking about insurance. That's a miss Medicare for All misnomer,

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01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:21,760
Speaker 1: not an accurate description of what is happening, what is

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01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 1: going on. But health insurance is not what we're discussing here.

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01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: This is just health. This is subsidized healthcare. This is

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01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 1: the government with a taxpayer funded monopoly on the decision

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01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 1: making about healthcare for every individual of the three hundred

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01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: and twenty million individuals in the United States. That's what

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Speaker 1: this is. It's not no insurance, there's no there's no

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01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: risk pool, there's no you know, you're you're old, you're young,

1720
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: you're this, you're that, you're you know, you pay for this,

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01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: you get this. No, it's just everyone get everyone's gonna

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01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: get the SAME's gonna get whatever the government they get.

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01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 1: And that's going to include legal aliens. I would want

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01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: to ask mayor Pete, what about a legal alien who

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01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: arrived yesterday would have been a legal alien who shows

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01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 1: up next week. We still have problems at the border

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01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,360
Speaker 1: right now, we still have a legal crossings happening. Ye're

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01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna get So now America is giving away not just

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01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 1: free healthcare, but the same level of healthcare, insurance, healthcare,

1730
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: rather of two people that break our law and come

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01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 1: here from anywhereund the world. This is crazy. This would

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01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: have been understood to be crazy by the Democratic Party

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01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: even as recently as let's say, five or ten years ago.

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01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: And yet you'll see no drop in support among Democrats

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01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: really for the candidates that are saying this stuff, even

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01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:51,799
Speaker 1: though it should be recognizably well outside of what anyone

1737
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: would think is mainstream political thought. But it's not. Now,

1738
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: this is Democrat Party thought. My friends, they're going socialist.

1739
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 1: The Democratic Party is a socialist party now that they

1740
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 1: can fight that definition as much as they want. They

1741
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: are a party of big government and central planning and

1742
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: redistribution of wealth. They are devoted to socialism, and in

1743
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: many ways their social justice approach is meant to be

1744
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: a rearranging of power among different groups. So they're redistributing

1745
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: money and they're redistributing power. That's what they think that

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01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: they should be doing, all based on the whims of

1747
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 1: a central committee, if you will, the elites, the governing

1748
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 1: apparatus that makes all these decisions. This is very, very

1749
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: troubling stuff. But may Or Pete's supposed to be the same.

1750
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: They're reasonable, the smart one, and he's all in a

1751
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: Medicare for all, and his Medicare for All planned is

1752
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 1: just fantasy land stuff. It cannot work the way he

1753
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: says it's going to work. It is unserious to say

1754
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: that it will do the things that he says it's

1755
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: going to do. But no one's gonna hit him on

1756
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: this one. They're just gonna let it go. Rock and roll.

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01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 1: Fellow patriots, we made ours go up to eleven. It's

1758
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: time for roll call, Roll call. All right, let's see

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01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: what we got in the roll call. Facebook dot com

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01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:33,560
Speaker 1: slashbox section or teambuck at iHeartMedia dot com. If you

1761
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: want an email today, we'll get into some of the Facebook.

1762
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been favoring the email you've got

1763
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: mail from back in the day. All right, let's get

1764
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: to this. Darby, it's a cool name. Listen to Kamala

1765
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: Harris say that she isn't doing well because America isn't

1766
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: ready for a woman of color to be president is ridiculous.

1767
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,839
Speaker 1: My ex wife is black and she's far more successful

1768
01:38:57,840 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 1: than I am for one very simple reason. She worked

1769
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: her tail off. That's it. Your analysis is one hundred

1770
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: percent correct that we as a country not tolerant any

1771
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest behaviors the left constantly accuses of us of.

1772
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: If sexism, racism, or any other ism is your excuse

1773
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 1: for not succeeding, you weren't going to succeed anyway. Yeah,

1774
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's just so easy for people

1775
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 1: to find some reason why things haven't gone exactly the

1776
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,760
Speaker 1: way they wanted to because of an immutable characteristic beyond

1777
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 1: their control. When I just don't think that. I'm not

1778
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: saying that doesn't tappen in America. I think that it

1779
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: happens far less frequently than we are told by the media.

1780
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: Let's see here, Robert Rights. Libs are jealous of Trump.

1781
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: He was the king of what, married and surrounded by

1782
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 1: hot women. He's rich, he's all, he's got awesome kids,

1783
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: he's brutally honest. Yeah, basically, this guy's saying that he's awesome.

1784
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Libs hate Trump because Trump is so awesome. Well, I

1785
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 1: like where your heads. I like where your head's at

1786
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 1: on that one. Let's see here, Chris buck love the show.

1787
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I hear you when you say the Orange Adonis failed

1788
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 1: to deliver on his promise of a beautiful wall that

1789
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 1: said nobody could have fully anticipated the deranged antics of

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01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: the Democrats. If a mayor comes in and promises to

1791
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: reform the police and the entire establishment fights him at

1792
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: any cost and uses corrupt judges to thwart his efforts,

1793
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:41,160
Speaker 1: did he fail or did the opposition prevent him using

1794
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: a perversion of the law and accepted norms. Yeah, the

1795
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: wall is stunted, but he's working with the bounds of

1796
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 1: the law. Unless he wanted to pull an Obama. You

1797
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 1: have to judge his efforts in that light. You're being

1798
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:58,040
Speaker 1: a little too literal and cute on this issue, Chris Buddy.

1799
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,840
Speaker 1: Why I wasn't there a focus on getting the wall

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01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,679
Speaker 1: done when Trump had a majority in the Congress? Where

1801
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 1: where was the wall? Then? Where was immigration action? First

1802
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 1: two years? I look, I'm not saying that Trump doesn't

1803
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: have all those problems you laid out. I think he

1804
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I talk about how he has all those issues, but

1805
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: he kind of knew he would right got the tax

1806
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: cuts done. Glad we got those tax cuts, the most

1807
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: classic Gop maneuver of all time. I'm not saying it's

1808
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: not good, but it's not a game change. You know why,

1809
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: because Democrats can and say, okay, now we're gonna raise taxes.

1810
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: There we go. It was nice while it lasted. A

1811
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 1: wall would be forever. And we don't have the wall,

1812
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 1: and we were promised wall. We were not promised. Oh

1813
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: it's really hard to get a wall. Here we go.

1814
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Kyle's hey, buck saw the snap about Belgians. I had

1815
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: one smartest, toughest dog I ever owned, not an easy

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01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 1: dog to own. Yeah, that's what I was saying. She

1817
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: just roid every six sided cage we bought. Sheared off

1818
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,799
Speaker 1: lower canines, pulling a cage door through the smaller opening

1819
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:10,560
Speaker 1: so she could get out of one. She scaled a

1820
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: six foot privacy fence is a Belgian Malinois, folks and

1821
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: pulled it apart, chewed through another wooden fence. She had

1822
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: storm anxiety and frankly thought she was human, but was

1823
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,479
Speaker 1: great with kids and dogs. They have a huge prey drive,

1824
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 1: so it cannot be an apartment dog, but they are

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01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: a great breed. No, Kyle, that's well in line with

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01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: what I've read about Belgian Malinois. Amazing companions, incredibly loyal,

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01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: incredibly smart, fierce, and I think they're beautiful dogs too,

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01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: But not meant to be in like a studio apartment,

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01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, where you have like a little bed in

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01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 1: the corner for it and no work for it to

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01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: do throughout the day. No, it's not a lot. It's

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01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 1: definitely not a lap dog. I think I might have

1833
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: to get a lap dog. That'd be kind of fun.

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01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: Brandy Rights, thanks for reinforcing the advertisement on owning such

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01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 1: a high breed, high drive breed like the Malonois or

1836
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 1: Dutch shepherd malanown Dutch shepherd by the different type, but

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01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 1: they look very it's for a lay person like me,

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01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 1: it's not. It hasn't been a lot of time with

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01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 1: those two breeds. They look a little similar. They're different,

1840
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: but there it's easy to get them confused. And they

1841
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: all they both also look a little bit like a

1842
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: German shepherd, some differences in the body and the and

1843
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: the coat colors. Um. Anyway, Brandy Wrights, I try to

1844
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:31,440
Speaker 1: save rescue so many Malonois and Dutchies that people discard

1845
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: because they thought they were cool and find they cannot

1846
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: handle the breed. Guys. The dog breed, uh, you know,

1847
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I grew up with dogs. The dog breed really matters.

1848
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 1: And if you're going to get it, if you're in

1849
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 1: the city, get a city dog. If you want a

1850
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: lazy snuggle dog, get a dog that likes just lie

1851
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:53,400
Speaker 1: around that have it's belly rubbed. If you want an

1852
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 1: animal that is going to protect your home, is going

1853
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: to you know, be a working dog in some capacity,

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01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, and you were a no dog handling, maybe

1855
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: think about getting a malinwaw. But do not just be like, oh,

1856
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: they look cool and they you know, track down bagdaddy.

1857
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: So I want to get a Belgian malanwaw not a

1858
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 1: good idea anyway. Seth buck love the podcast as a

1859
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: retired sergeant from the army. This drives me crazy. That

1860
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 1: guy was out of step. He looks confused. Seth is

1861
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 1: saying he did not like the testimony of Vinman. Okay, well,

1862
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,360
Speaker 1: thanks Man for writing. I appreciate it. And a team

1863
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: that's gonna be it for the show today. I hope

1864
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 1: you have thought it was as fantastic as I do.

1865
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep asking you. Please tell somebody in your

1866
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: life if you're bored, if you've got nothing else to say.

1867
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Sitting across some someone at dinner, they're like, hey, if

1868
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: you try the Buck Sexton Show, listen to the podcast

1869
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 1: a huge help. If everybody listening to this did that

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01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 1: and without I hope you've enjoyed the audio, or if

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01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 1: you're listening or if you're watching on Pluto channel to

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Speaker 1: forty eight, first, thank you. She'll tie