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Speaker 1: Welcome to this edition of After Hours with producer Ali

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Speaker 1: and producer Ali.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm producer Greg.

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Speaker 1: Greg.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's been a.

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Speaker 1: Minute, it has. We haven't done one of these in

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Speaker 1: a while. Greg, No, we got into a pretty spirited

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Speaker 1: conversation this morning, so we thought, you know, let's let's

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Speaker 1: do another one of these and put a little easter

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Speaker 1: egg into the podcast feed.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we haven't had one in a while. But

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Speaker 2: it was a great discussion, and it all centered around

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Speaker 2: CBS putting an end to the Late Show, not just

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Speaker 2: canceling Colbert, but they're getting rid of the whole show

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Speaker 2: all together, which I find really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I thought the story was really interesting for a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch of reasons, but also the reaction, like Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1: what he said in his Instagram post, love you, Stephen,

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Speaker 1: f you and all your Sheldon's CBS, Okay, what does

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Speaker 1: that even mean? I took that to mean Young Sheldon,

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Speaker 1: which we talked about the show this morning, is doing amazing.

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Speaker 2: And they keep yes and they keep spinning off that

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Speaker 2: Big Bang theory. So that was the original and then

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Speaker 2: there was the Young Sheldon and.

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Speaker 1: They're making a lot of money for CBS, and it's

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Speaker 1: been such a big hit. It's the most watched comedy

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Speaker 1: TV or streaming since its debut in twenty seventeen. That's

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Speaker 1: according to Nielsen. But what I thought was interesting about

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Speaker 1: that is the content on Young Sheldon. I've only seen

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Speaker 1: full disclosure, only about half a dozen episodes. My parents

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Speaker 1: love it all their pickleball friends love it. Their whole

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Speaker 1: generation loves it. And I asked why, because I don't

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Speaker 1: particularly care for It's really not my kind of TV.

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Speaker 1: But I asked them what they loved, and they said,

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Speaker 1: it's wholesome, it's funny. They kind of like that. They're

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Speaker 1: like a church going family, almost like a leave It

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Speaker 1: to Beaver. But the nineties version.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's one of the things that I think

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Speaker 2: that we like about it as well. We watch it

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Speaker 2: at our house because it is a real look at

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Speaker 2: a church going family. And they poke fun of a

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Speaker 2: little bit because it's still you know, liberal television Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: but they take it seriously enough. I mean, yes, they

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Speaker 2: do make the mom to be kind of a Christian

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Speaker 2: whacka woo.

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Speaker 1: But there's something endearing about there.

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Speaker 2: Is there is exactly because the family sticks together even

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Speaker 2: though they each all have their quirks and their foibles

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Speaker 1: Of imperfectly perfect family.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think I mentioned this earlier. The daughter,

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Speaker 2: the sister, Missy, the twin of young Sheldon, is the

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Speaker 2: one who steals the show for us all the time.

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Speaker 2: So it's she's the best She's the best part of

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Speaker 2: the show in our opinion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I found that Jimmy Kimmel's little like tweet

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Speaker 1: or Instagram post about that was very telling because I

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Speaker 1: think they're not being honest. Also about why it's going away.

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Speaker 1: It's going away for a bunch of reasons. And you

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Speaker 1: had a really good point about the end of an error.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that the idea that we're going to

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Speaker 2: flash back and we're going to talk about this, and

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Speaker 2: we're actually going to play you a flashback clip in

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Speaker 2: a few minutes about the idea that ratings don't matter anymore,

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Speaker 2: and the whole reason that this is being gotten rid of.

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Speaker 2: There's yes, there's a merger coming and CBS is is merging,

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Speaker 2: and the lawsuit and and and the lawsuit and all

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Speaker 2: of that. Rush talked about the fact that ratings don't

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Speaker 2: matter anymore. We're going to play that in a little

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Speaker 2: bit and that it's all about Cachet. But what we

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Speaker 2: really are seeing with the removal of the whole show entirely,

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Speaker 2: this is the first domino, if you will, in the

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Speaker 1: And I think also some media executives were just looking

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Speaker 1: They looked at the books, they saw the expense sheet.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that that we that piece of

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that's that that's accurate? It certainly seems.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you looked at the breakdown of what

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Speaker 2: it costs Colbert salaries right around fifteen and then you

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Speaker 2: know the writers and the staffs and the legal you

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Speaker 1: You sent that to us today? Yeah, where what was

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Speaker 1: that on? What was the source?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I forget off the top

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Speaker 1: Colbert himself said I have a team of two one hundred, which,

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Speaker 1: of course, if any of you listening here, that made

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Speaker 1: Greg and I laugh, because our Klay and Buck show,

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Speaker 1: we have a production team. Emphasize production team of three

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Speaker 1: and you can if you count our board op four.

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Speaker 2: Right, and then so yeah, the digital team that's another

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Speaker 2: looking at maybe a dozen people or you know, sixteen

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Speaker 2: people at the outside. Two hundred people is just ridiculous, right.

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Speaker 1: They said they had a team of writers. I think

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine, right, trying to write for the Clay

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Speaker 1: It is improv and just going off the cuff.

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Speaker 2: It is. I mean, that's not to say that they're

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Speaker 1: Shows, right, it's just not scripted.

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Speaker 2: It's not scripted, just like this show isn't scripted. We're

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Speaker 2: not sitting here, we're not reading. I mean, we discussed

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Speaker 2: this earlier ourselves and got into a really interesting discuss,

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Speaker 2: which is why we're bringing it to you now.

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Speaker 1: Right. I want you to go and pull up that

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Speaker 1: Rush clip though, because that does go into the wayback machine,

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Speaker 1: and I thought it really really shined a light on

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Speaker 2: This goes back to twenty eleven. I'm sorry, twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 2: so it goes back eleven years. And he was talking

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Speaker 2: about at that time, the president of CBS, Les Moonvez,

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Speaker 2: said that ratings don't matter anymore, and Rush actually did

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Speaker 4: This sets up a giant sea. I told you so.

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Speaker 4: This is me February nineteenth, right here behind the golden

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Speaker 4: EIB microphone. I had an instant message flash going back

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Speaker 4: and forth about ratings late night, and I offered the

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Speaker 4: following opinion to the person I was talking with. I said,

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Speaker 4: it's obvious that ratings don't matter anywhere near as much

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Speaker 4: as they used to wise, there wouldn't be a CNN,

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Speaker 5: If ratings mattered, they wouldn't exist.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's watching, And I proffered this opinion. I think we've

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Speaker 4: gotten to the point in not just medium, but our culture.

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Speaker 4: I think television executives, management types, programmers are more influenced

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Speaker 5: Amen.

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Speaker 4: Who can dispute that?

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Speaker 5: Nobody can? Okay, So let's go to Last Moonvest now

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Speaker 5: the CEO of the CBS Tiffany Network Empire this week

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Speaker 5: yesterday in Los Angeles at the Milken Institute Global Conference.

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Speaker 3: Late night is not what it used to be during

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Speaker 3: the days of Johnny Carson, even the early days of

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Speaker 3: David Letterman, it was much more of a profit center

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Speaker 3: for all of us. The last few years it's been

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Speaker 3: a lot about the ratings, you know, and that really

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Speaker 5: Hell, folks, I mean, there you have it.

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Speaker 4: This the guy that hired Colbert the ratings don't matter.

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Speaker 2: Rush, of course was right as always. He had that

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Speaker 2: it's great how he talks about I was having this

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Speaker 1: I literally it was going to tell you. Moments before

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Speaker 1: It's titled a wake up Call for Late Night. The

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Speaker 1: once dominant network television media is completely falling apart. According

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Speaker 1: to the Nielsen ratings, fewer than twenty percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: now watch any network programming. Why because it's largely boring

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Speaker 1: and traditional Americans resent the liberal culture the networks embrace

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Speaker 1: all day, all night, woke on parade, political correctness run amuck.

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Speaker 1: And then he adds a little bit later in the column,

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Speaker 1: mister Colbert basically committed performance suicide when he took over

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Speaker 1: for David Letterman ten years ago. He was coming off

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Speaker 1: the red hot satire of John Stewart's Daily Show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the boys were left handed pitchers, but they tamped down

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Speaker 1: the malice at least somewhat. I had a lot of

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Speaker 1: laughs debating Stuart. Over the past five years, Stephen Colbert

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Speaker 1: has lost more than a million viewers, his numbers descending

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Speaker 1: to just above two million households. Daily profits crashed. The

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Speaker 1: primary reason is Colbert's hatred for Trump and the Maga brigades.

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Speaker 1: So exactly what you were saying, Greg.

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Speaker 2: Last night's episode is a perfect example it encapsulates exactly,

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Speaker 2: and when we're recording this, this is the day after.

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Speaker 2: It encapsulates the entire problem because Colbert comes on and announces, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is the end of our show. We're not going

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Speaker 2: to last beyond next May. And then who does he

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Speaker 1: And you have the bite Adam Shift, shifty shift.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, pencil neck himself. And you've got to

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Speaker 2: hear You've got to hear this, because this is exactly

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Speaker 2: the problem in a nutshell, why Colbert is off the air.

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Speaker 6: I was in Congress for but I don't know twenty

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Speaker 6: years before Trump came along, or stareabouts. If I got

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Speaker 6: threatened two or three times in twenty years, that was

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Speaker 6: a lot. If I got threatened two or three times

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Speaker 6: in a week during first Trump, it wasn't very much.

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Speaker 6: Ever since I led his first impeachment, he's threatened me

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Speaker 6: camera camera there, Donald, piss off. But Donald, before you

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Speaker 6: piss off, would you release the Epstein files?

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Speaker 1: But come on, I mean, really.

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Speaker 2: Really could you believe that? I mean, h pee off?

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just And here's the thing to O'Reilly's point

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Speaker 2: When Colbert was doing the Colbert Rapport before he came over,

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Speaker 2: he was totally poking fun at George W. Bush and

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Speaker 1: A vicious way, vicious.

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Speaker 2: Kind of thank you, that's exactly the word I was

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Speaker 2: looking for. Yeah, exactly. So I think, yeah, he's definitely

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Speaker 1: Oh he's going to go to Hollywood. It's going to

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Speaker 2: What is CBS going to do with that real estate? Though,

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Speaker 2: don't know they're going to They're not going to do

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting question and audience, what do you think

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Speaker 1: they're going to do? Send us an email?

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Speaker 2: What should they do? Maybe we could get the Claim

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Speaker 2: Buck show in.

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Speaker 1: Over there, send us a talkback, actually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, send us talkbacks, go on the I heart my god.

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck would make a great late night sho.

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Speaker 2: Would you imagine?

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Speaker 2: We should totally pitch.

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Speaker 1: Let's pitch that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you and everybody. You get on the emails and

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Speaker 2: get on the talkbacks and call the show. And you

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Speaker 1: There, do late night. Oh that would be wonderful, a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Yeah, definitely, all right, Greg, Well, I

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Speaker 1: think we've covered it. This is the episode of Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little Easter egg there, and uh, let's see what

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Speaker 1: sponsors should we talk about?

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Speaker 2: Oh we didn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh I got for you. I got one because I

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Speaker 1: Cozy Earth.

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Speaker 2: Oh did you really?

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Speaker 1: Cozy Earth is our newest sponsor. Yeah, and it's basically

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Speaker 1: apparel and in true form to the title Cozy Earth.

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Speaker 1: It is cozy and it is cotton, and it is

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Speaker 1: comfortable and organic. I got my husband a pair of shorts,

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Speaker 2: So that's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get myself some stuff next.

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Speaker 2: I'm going there this afternoon because I need some new

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Speaker 2: running shorts, so this is perfect. Then I'll head there

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Speaker 2: and pick them up.

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Speaker 1: And make sure you put Clay's name or Buck's name

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Speaker 1: into the promo code section when you're ordering, so you

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Speaker 2: That's great, that's all I want. Yeah, perfect? Well, thank you?

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Speaker 1: All right? Well is it for this episode of After

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Speaker 1: Hours with producer.

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Speaker 2: Ali and producer Greg. Let's not wait so long before

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Speaker 2: we do this again next time.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, we gotta get on that.

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Speaker 2: We'll do this a little more frequently.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, until next time. Thanks for tuning in.