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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Didty the Danglar sworn testimony that Sean comes dangles a

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Speaker 2: model with his bare hands off a seventeenth floor balcony,

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Speaker 2: her life precariously in the balance, and the jury reacts

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Speaker 2: not in a good way.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories, and I want to thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us.

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Speaker 3: But he's a screamer, he's a shouter, he's a violent man.

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Speaker 3: He could throw things.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Kitty's really angry this time.

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Speaker 4: Oh, he gets so angry he forgets to breathe. He

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Speaker 4: was a bully.

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Speaker 5: Did He was menacing, threatening, intimidating.

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Speaker 6: She talked about how he was violent, he was threatening.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly, all those oaks taste like dirt in my mouth.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, just think about it being held off

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Speaker 2: a balcony seventeen floors up.

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Speaker 1: And dangled, dangled.

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Speaker 2: This is different from the beatings that we've heard about,

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Speaker 2: the kickings, the beatings, the draggings by somebody's hair, the threats,

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Speaker 2: the broken arms slammed in the door, actually dangling someone

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Speaker 2: holding them by their armpits off a seventeenth floor balcony,

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Speaker 2: joining us an all star panel. But first, I want

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Speaker 2: to go straight out to the Monahan Federal Court House.

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Speaker 2: Standing by is investigative reporter Laurene Kanlan, star of Pop

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Speaker 2: Crime TV. Lauren, the jury finally hears what we heard

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Speaker 2: about rumors of months ago, the balcony dangling incident. What

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Speaker 2: happened on a.

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Speaker 7: Bongolan finished her testimony today and the cross examination was

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Speaker 7: a bit brutal. Now I believe the defense was going

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Speaker 7: for impeachment. But Brianna Bongoland showed us a photograph yesterday

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Speaker 7: of the bruise that Diddy allegedly gave her during this

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Speaker 7: balcony incident, and it did elicit.

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Speaker 6: Quite a reaction from the jury.

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Speaker 7: The bruise looked bad, there was a puncture hoole that

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Speaker 7: appeared to be in the middle of it, and we

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Speaker 7: also saw a photo of her or the back of

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Speaker 7: Brianna in a neck brace as well.

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Speaker 6: She said her ex girlfriend took this photo.

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Speaker 7: At one point during the cross Nicole Westmoreland got her

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Speaker 7: to say that yes, she had the neck brace on.

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Speaker 6: She took it for the photo and then she took

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Speaker 7: During redirect they did sort of reiterate, well, she wore

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Speaker 7: the net brace more than just the one photo. But

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Speaker 7: back to the impeachment, the photo of the bruise. We

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Speaker 7: saw the metadata behind that photo and it was taken

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Speaker 7: on September twenty six, twenty sixteen, and this was either

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Speaker 7: the morning after or kind of the morning of the incident. Now,

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Speaker 7: the defense said, are you aware, miss Bonglan, that Sean

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Speaker 7: Colmes and Cassie Ventura were in New York and New

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Speaker 7: Jersey during this time for the Bad Boy Reunion tour

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Speaker 7: and then they had a charity dinner in.

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Speaker 6: New York City, and you know, she didn't know or

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Speaker 6: she didn't recall.

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Speaker 7: And then we were shown an invoice from the Trump

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Speaker 7: Hotel and it was the guest was Frank Black, which

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Speaker 7: we know now is one of Ditty's aliases that he

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Speaker 7: used to check into hotels, and he was there. Hear

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Speaker 7: the date from September twenty fourth to September twenty ninth,

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Speaker 7: So that was quite a moment.

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Speaker 6: I know, I did see some faces in the gallery.

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Speaker 7: One of the jurors looked a bit surprised, So that

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Speaker 7: was that was a bit shocking.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's never a good thing, Lauren Colin when the.

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Speaker 2: Grs physical react like you see them rear back or

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Speaker 2: make a face or hold their head, and we've been

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Speaker 2: seeing a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's almost as if to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,

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Speaker 2: Psychoalys out of the la jurisdiction. She is now seen

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Speaker 2: on Peacock. She is the author of deal Breakers and

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Speaker 2: you can find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: it's you know, I heard Rob Shooter say this a

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Speaker 2: while back, who's also with us today. He's known Sean

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Speaker 2: Combs for years and Shooter you stated at one point

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Speaker 2: he lives his life like it's a movie. And I'm

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Speaker 2: going to follow up after you answer. It seems like

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Speaker 2: he thinks he's in a movie, you know, where you

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Speaker 2: dangle somebody off a balcony, like in a James Bond movie,

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Speaker 2: and those you know, they typically drop them.

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Speaker 1: But this is it's real. He took a grown woman

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Speaker 2: Sure he's his highest kite on whatever drugs he was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cinematic, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: But I think you're being kind by saying, James Vond,

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Speaker 3: this is the Sopranos This is really really outrageous behavior.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's hard for people to even understand this.

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Speaker 3: If you were not there, if you did not experience this,

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Speaker 3: this doesn't sound real. And so that's why this testimony

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Speaker 3: is so important, Nancy, because it's going to paint this picture.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna make it really, really vivid, and most importantly,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna make it really really real it happened.

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Speaker 2: He's right, doc, your Bethany Marshall, and he knows. He

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Speaker 2: has described how the combs gets angry and the veinstick

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Speaker 2: out of his hair in his face at he throws

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Speaker 2: a major tantrum because he can, because he can get

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Speaker 2: away with it. But they you know, I'm not afraid

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Speaker 2: of heights at all, But when I go up really

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Speaker 2: over my whole body. I guess it's something instinctive that

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Speaker 2: your body knows you're in danger. The seventeenth floor, Bethany,

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Speaker 2: and this woman was hanging. She was dangling her Her

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Speaker 2: body was not attached to the balcony at all. Her

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Speaker 2: whole self was hanging over seventeen floors down.

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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, acting like you're.

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Speaker 5: A hero in a Marvel movie would fit criteria for

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Speaker 5: something called histrionic personality disorder. Histrionics are when somebody acts

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Speaker 5: very dramatic. They have rapidly fluctuating emotions that appear deep

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Speaker 5: in nature, but they're not deep at all. They're merely

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Speaker 5: designed to get attention. So he has grabbed everybody's attention

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Speaker 5: in his life, so it reinforces all this dramatic behavior.

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Speaker 5: You would I would also guess low levels of conscientiousness,

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Speaker 5: impulse control disorder, explosive intermitted explosive disorder, and also I

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Speaker 5: would suspect drug abuse because the impulsivity is so bad

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Speaker 5: and combined with aggression and low levels of remorse regarding

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Speaker 5: actually risking another person's life.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking about everything you said.

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Speaker 2: You know back to you. Rob Shooter is a PR

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Speaker 2: guru who worked for homes for a really long time,

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Speaker 2: not anymore. A host of Naughty but Nice podcast that's

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Speaker 2: at Rob.

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Speaker 1: Shooter and s h U t e R.

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Speaker 2: Not Shooter Bang Bang Shooter Robshooter dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 4: Rob.

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Speaker 2: When you say, now, she said a hero, I would

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Speaker 2: say a super villain where you know, like in a cartoon,

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Speaker 2: even where you see someone a character hanging somebody off

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Speaker 2: fact that he held her without dropping her is a miracle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the woman still has night terrors about it,

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Speaker 2: and those are real. By the way, I still, to

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Speaker 2: this day sometimes have night terrors about cases that I

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Speaker 2: investigated and prosecuted because they were so heinous. But it's

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Speaker 2: like he's living in a movie and you said that

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, and I really didn't get it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: He plots his life out, not only that it's one

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Speaker 3: big movie, but almost like it's different episodes throughout the day.

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Speaker 3: His schedule, it's every hour, and I remember he once

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Speaker 3: said to me, you can start over every hour. A

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Speaker 3: lot of people, if you haven't a bad day, you

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Speaker 3: wait until tomorrow to start over. Not puff every time

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Speaker 3: there's a new hour, it's a new chapter in the

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Speaker 3: life of Diddy, and what happened before doesn't matter. It's

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Speaker 3: what happens right now. It's a really odd skilled that

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Speaker 3: he has, but it's a skill that has served him

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Speaker 2: But you know what, Rob Shooter, I think that in

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Speaker 2: court right now, it's just another episode for him. It's

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Speaker 2: just another vignette in his movie that's playing in his mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think you're Ryan, and he would think

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Speaker 3: this actually, perversely, might be a great episode. If this

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Speaker 3: is a movie for somebody to be in this much

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Speaker 4: My inside has told me.

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Speaker 3: Nancy, I'm a reporter now, and all my sources did

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Speaker 3: his sources tell me he's convinced that this is going

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Speaker 3: And already people in his inner circle, Nancy are plotting

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Speaker 3: the comeback tour, new music.

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Speaker 4: What's he going to do next?

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Speaker 6: And that's good?

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Speaker 2: Stop sorry, hold on, what did you say about a

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a tour, there's going to be

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Speaker 3: an album. We've seen his family with a documentary crew

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Speaker 3: the last chapter, the.

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Speaker 4: End of the movie.

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Speaker 3: This is the middle of the movie, and they plan

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Speaker 3: to have a big comeback story.

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Speaker 2: Well, Sean comes, his family prepares their documentary to air

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Speaker 2: after the verdict, and his enablers prepare his comeback tour.

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Speaker 2: When he is found not guilty, according to them, not

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Speaker 2: according to me. A lot of people have been ditified.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is a special guests. Armand Wiggins entertainment legal

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Speaker 2: affairs commentator hosts a podcast, The armand Wiggins Show, And

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Speaker 2: I want you to see what happened to him outside

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Speaker 2: the courthouse. Oh this is crazy, Okay, That from our

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Speaker 2: friends at TMZ, Harvey Levin, you know, armand Wiggins.

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Speaker 1: Please don't laugh.

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Speaker 2: Because you never know when somebody comes up to you

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Speaker 2: on the streets start screaming at you, whether they are

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Speaker 2: high on math, whether they have a gun. So you

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Speaker 2: know what next time, Please just don't engage, don't be

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Speaker 2: the hero, just say thank you and walk away. But

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Speaker 2: yet you engaged, Arman Wiggins. What was she screaming?

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Speaker 8: Honestly, she just was trying to go viral. She was screaming,

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Speaker 8: let's go viral.

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Speaker 9: Mother.

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Speaker 8: She was saying a bunch of flagrant obscenities to me,

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Speaker 8: and I think it was just because she saw me

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Speaker 8: going live. This court, this case has become a zoo

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Speaker 8: and a breeding ground for all walks of life, and

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Speaker 8: people are just coming. They're trying to get their piece

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Speaker 8: of the moment, their piece of the viral moment. And

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Speaker 8: just shouting out and making stuff up. So there was

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Speaker 8: a woman that got put out of the courtroom. This

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Speaker 8: woman was heckling. So it was actually I didn't even

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Speaker 8: know who this woman was. She just saw me on

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Speaker 8: live camera. She figured, Okay, this is a content creator.

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Speaker 8: He goes viral first Diddy News and let me go

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Speaker 8: and trash him in his live feed and hopefully I'll

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Speaker 8: make the news.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are well, they've been didified, and

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Speaker 2: without knowing any of the evidence, or ignoring the little

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Speaker 2: bit of evidence they do know, they're convinced the Shawn.

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Speaker 1: Combs is innocent.

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Speaker 2: You know, I got into it with ray Ja again,

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Speaker 2: but I'm wanting to hear you mentioned a woman that

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Speaker 2: got dragged out of court by armed guards.

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Speaker 1: Well listen to.

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Speaker 10: Her, did he Everyone thinks this as a joke, laughing

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Speaker 10: at black man legacy being destroyed. Everyone has been laughing.

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Speaker 10: I don't care if it sounded funny. It's not funny.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not funny for women to get beaten, raped, drugged,

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Speaker 2: at BBC on TikTok. Back to you, Arman Wiggins, who

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Speaker 2: was a salted outside of the courthouse. I just heard

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Speaker 2: Do they not matter in the black legacy? What about them?

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Speaker 2: What about all the women that we're hearing from, What

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Speaker 1: What about one after the next, after the next.

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Speaker 2: Woman of color that has gotten a beating from Sean Combs?

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Speaker 2: And do you know how close it was for this

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Speaker 2: But yet.

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Speaker 2: What about these women at the legacy of Sean Combs?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? It sounds like exactly what ray

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Speaker 8: In regards to the women, I think that the prosecution

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Speaker 8: Talking about as far as Diddy's legacy. You have a heart,

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Speaker 8: you have an emotion, and you feel every blow, every kick,

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Speaker 4: He had a lot of money. He liked to flash

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Speaker 3: He wanted to get free clothes, free dinners, free tickets

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Speaker 5: Is benefiting quite a bit from this. He is taking

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Speaker 3: There were bags and bags and bags of designer clothing

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Speaker 4: It's a life of success, Sitter.

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Speaker 1: What is it with rich people?

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Speaker 2: I've never seen such cheap individuals as rich people. The

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Speaker 1: The pennies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's the reason they are rich. Puff is

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Speaker 3: that hundred thousand dollars to blackmail to take that tape

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Speaker 3: When he did those big white parties, Nancy, let me

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Speaker 3: tell you a secret, didn't pay a penny. All of

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Speaker 3: those were sponsored by people. He was very good at

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Speaker 2: Okay, we wait, the white parties that resulted, and that's

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Speaker 1: You mean by that? Like by who? I bet they're

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Speaker 2: Now, I sponsor in a white party that turned into

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Speaker 3: Individuals companies would sponsor those parties.

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Speaker 3: Who sponsor if you look on the step and repeats

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Speaker 3: of repeats for one reason, not to send you in

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Speaker 3: nice pictures, but to promote these brands. They pay to

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Speaker 2: So the richer they are, the cheaper they are. I

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Speaker 2: you to percolate Shooter on other peen pinching maneuvers of

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs, because I want to hear every single one

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Speaker 2: because now I'm seeing his family and all these designer clothes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for Pete's sake, the wick to the Molotov. Hey, Bethany, you.

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Speaker 2: Out of the whole panel, knows how to say air

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Speaker 2: may is that how you say the scarf? You've told

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Speaker 2: me any times, butz okay, amz okay. Who else besides

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Speaker 2: Seawn Combs we'd use an ermez scarf?

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Speaker 1: Shooter.

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Speaker 2: I mean it just like I say, take out an

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Speaker 2: because that's where Court TV was. Third Avenue be a

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Speaker 2: big billboard right outside Court TV at thirty ninth con

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Speaker 1: Out and add at that was my scarf sign diary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who else.

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Speaker 1: Really, I couldn't name.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't name another person who would do that, Nancy.

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Speaker 3: I do have a fun story, though, or a disturbing

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Speaker 3: story about did he being cheap? I remember he was

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Speaker 3: doing a photoshoot and he insisted we pay his friend,

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Speaker 3: groom him to do his hair ten thousand dollars. This

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Speaker 3: And when I saw the pictures, Nancy, he was wearing

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Speaker 3: a hat. He didn't even show his hair. He did

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Speaker 3: not pay for that. It was a scam, and he

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the king friend gave him the kickback. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I could talk about that all day, but I got

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Speaker 2: to get back to the testimony, back to the courthouse.

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Speaker 2: Standing by very patiently is investigative Lauren Conlin. She's a

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Speaker 2: of that getting dangled off a balcony, balcony seventeen floors up,

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Speaker 2: she was in, I think it was a FaceTime and

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Speaker 7: When she was asked if Sean Colmes had had reached

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Speaker 7: like this. She also testified that Cassie came out of

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Speaker 7: and said, did he dangle you over a balcony?

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Speaker 6: Almost in disbelief.

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Speaker 2: To Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter, we

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Speaker 2: also learned, and you're writing down every significant thing that

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Speaker 11: Absolutely Nancy. She said that she would wake up screaming

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Speaker 11: or her partner would overhear her screaming in her sleep.

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Speaker 9: And this is something that has severely affected her going forward.

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Speaker 9: She says over time that that PTSD has seemed to

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Speaker 9: And she said she was terrified to go to police

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Speaker 11: The violence escalating that she didn't want to report this

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, Philip Debay is

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Speaker 2: joining me veteran trial law. You're out of the La jurisdiction, Debay,

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Speaker 2: We're seeing a whole another animal right now. We've heard

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Speaker 2: about beatings and draggings and yanking people by their hair

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Speaker 2: be made up.

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Speaker 12: No, of course not.

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Speaker 1: But how I would play it if.

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Speaker 12: I were his counsel, is, like you said earlier, is

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Speaker 12: you remember, it came out that she was hooked on

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Speaker 12: almost in a twilight state. So who really knows what,

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Speaker 12: if anything? She accurately members and it is nice.

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Speaker 2: See Cassie, we're doing drugs. Where do you think they

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Speaker 12: Debate, Let's give him that, Let's pretend, let's really pretend

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Speaker 12: he was applying them with dope. It is not his

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Speaker 12: But I think for him better yet, is that just

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Speaker 12: does not fall under RICO. It falls under state crimes

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Speaker 12: and the statutes of limitation have run. So what the

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Speaker 12: Feds are doing is they're using RICO as an end

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what's interesting. I'm going to try to

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Speaker 2: Linn Shaw is joining me, founder and a writer of

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Speaker 2: Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending sex abuse and sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: On women and girls.

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Speaker 2: You know what, every time we hear about a pimp branding,

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Speaker 2: And I came up with branding because of a famous

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Speaker 2: because it's unusual, you don't hear of it very often.

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Speaker 2: But actually, what Shaw Colms is accused of doing here

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Speaker 2: is no better than what.

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Speaker 1: Pimps do to women under their control.

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Speaker 13: What we're forgetting here in all of this discussion is

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Speaker 1: And alleged crimes.

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Speaker 6: We know all this, but how.

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Speaker 13: About you know what's being lost here? All of the

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Speaker 13: women and victims and not only of ditties, because every

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Speaker 13: the United States, guess what, Nancy, we have to put

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Speaker 13: And on top of it. I want to point out, Anthony,

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Speaker 13: they have some trauma bonding specialists going in there, psychoanalysts,

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Speaker 1: And let me also.

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Speaker 13: Point out, I don't want to hear about drugs. You

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Speaker 13: know why because anybody who is addicted and these Cassie

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Speaker 13: So we've got to turn this around, and we've got

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Speaker 13: how to explain it to them. And we're a week four.

441
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 13: They're asking what's going on. They are so triggered, and

442
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 13: we have lawyers all over televisions and online talking about things,

443
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 13: putting ideas out there. This case cannot be sex trafficking.

444
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 13: It's not going to be you know, manact this, that

445
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 13: and the other thing. It better darn well be reco

446
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 13: case criminal enterprise, because you know what, the only thing

447
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 13: in my mind that makes all this stick is no

448
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 13: matter what happens at the end of the day, is

449
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 13: that Cassie video and that hotel hallway, and that's all

450
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 13: I hope they convict him.

451
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Speaker 6: That's my on that.

452
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Speaker 2: You know, the more the defense objects to any particular

453
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: line of questioning, the more sensitive it is. Right, the

454
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: more you scream at the dentist office is because that's

455
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: the more it hurts right there on that particular tooth.

456
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: And they went after this witness tooth and nail. To

457
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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, there was quite across examination of her on

458
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Speaker 2: the stand.

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Speaker 7: What happened during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination of Rihanna Bongolan,

460
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 7: she also got her to say that after a week

461
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Speaker 7: after the alleged balcony incident, Rihanna was going to private

462
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 7: parties with Sean Colmes and she was actually texting back

463
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 7: and forth with Cassy a few days later about having

464
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 7: a sleepover. So Wes Morland said to her, you know,

465
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 7: this horrible thing happened to you, and a week later

466
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Speaker 7: you're willing to go back and have a sleepover. And

467
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 7: Bongolan just said, I guess so. And there was some

468
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 7: tense moments going back and forth. Because of her original

469
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 7: civil suit, she did fire her attorney, Tyrone Blackburn. He

470
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 7: came up a number of times today because she said

471
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Speaker 7: that he kind of misinterpreted what she said and alleged

472
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 7: some kind of sexual assault happened or did he groped

473
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Speaker 7: her when lifting her up as he allegedly dangled her.

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Speaker 6: And Wes Moreland said, well.

475
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 7: You know you fired Blackburn, but you still perpetuated this

476
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 7: this lie. So to speak with with your other attorneys

477
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 7: in that lawsuit and your new updated lawsuit as well,

478
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 7: did you not? And you know she kind of said, well,

479
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 7: I didn't write all of that in the new lawsuit.

480
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Speaker 6: My attorneys did.

481
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 7: So it was just a lot of back and forth

482
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 7: about that and very tense. I'm not going to say

483
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 7: it was hostile, but it was. It was uncomfortable and

484
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 7: it was aggressive, and it was a lot of can

485
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 7: you rephrase this?

486
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Speaker 6: Can you rephrase that? And I think that.

487
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 7: Was just causing just some discomfort in the gallery. I

488
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 7: guess it was tedious. It was long, but I would

489
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 7: say the points were well taken and the cross was

490
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 7: well taken.

491
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: Row busted didty Bucks Diddy allegedly paid off an employee

492
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars to keep these victims quiet.

493
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: These used to throwing money at any situation to get

494
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Speaker 3: what See wants.

495
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: One hundred thousand dollars diddy bucks. We don't live at

496
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: the courthouse. Standing by is investigative reporter Lauren Conlin. Let's

497
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: go straight to the Monahan courthouse. Lauren Conlin, we just

498
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: brought up in conversation drug use where Doubet tries to

499
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: victim blame the victims here and Cassie claiming that they

500
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: were on drugs. Well maybe they were, but even a

501
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: woman on drugs can be abused, or a woman that's

502
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: had a drink can be abused, or a woman that

503
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: wore a short skirt or went jogging by herself, or

504
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: walked from the target to her car in the parking

505
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: deck and got kidnapped. All of those people that did

506
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: something wrong can become victims. What can you tell me

507
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: about drugs being discussed in the courtroom.

508
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 7: Westmoreland also really focused on the heavy drug use that

509
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 7: Cassie and Bonglin once partook in. We talked about drugs

510
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 7: for a significant amount of time, and in my opinion,

511
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 7: that was just to remind the jury that maybe her

512
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 7: memory is not so great after doing so many drugs.

513
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 6: But overall it was it was it was sad to

514
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 6: watch her on the stand.

515
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 7: She really seemed to have some PTSD over this incident,

516
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 7: and who wouldn't And what is.

517
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: That, doctor Bethany Marshall.

518
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 14: PTSD Post traumatic stress disorder is when somebody has had

519
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 14: such a traumatic event that no prior learning can equip

520
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 14: them or prepare them to handle the situation. Flashbacks, avoidance

521
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 14: of anything that reminds them of the dreaded situation, tearfulness, isolation,

522
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 14: numbing Nancy. I think the numbing is particularly important because

523
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 14: women who are sex trafficked often become addicted to drugs

524
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 14: by their johns, and they are primed for addiction because

525
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 14: they're trying to numb out to tolerate the abuse. And

526
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 14: these dreams, these night terrors are a flashback, and we

527
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 14: think of the avoidance, which is the primary hallmark of PTSD.

528
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 14: These women are primed.

529
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 5: To go through the rest of their life avoiding relationships, conflict,

530
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 5: anything that could remind them of all the trauma and

531
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 5: the abuse that they suffered.

532
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: Speaking of drugs, whatever happened to the drug mule that

533
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: allegedly worked for Sean comes.

534
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Where is he in this scenario? Listen, While Sean Combs's legal.

535
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 15: Troubles are far from over, his so called drug mule

536
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 15: has completed the requirements of his plea deal and all

537
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 15: charges against him have been dropped. Brendan Paul faced charges

538
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 15: for possession of both cocaine and marijuana when he was

539
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 15: caught with the substances on Diddy's private jet back in March,

540
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 15: but as a first time offender, Paul was allowed to

541
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 15: enter a pre trial diversion program with the benefit of

542
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 15: a clean record on successful completion.

543
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if Brendan Paul is going to be part

544
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: of the States case regarding Sean Combs as drugs.

545
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: And here it is, you're.

546
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Blaming the victims for allegedly using drugs, but yet nobody's

547
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: saying who supplied them the drugs, where'd they come from?

548
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: And in the last hours we have heard for the

549
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: first time about GHB gamma hydroxy buterrate being given to

550
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: a victim. We heard that at the get go, when

551
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: this was all just swirling as gossip speaking of drugs.

552
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: No one can get out of their mind. The Mansion

553
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: raid video. This is one our friends at TMZ. Now,

554
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: isn't it true, Sidney Sumner drugs were found during the raid?

555
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 11: Yes, Nancy, there were a good number of drugs recovered

556
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 11: from Sean Diddy Coombe's Miami mansions. Now, this property is

557
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 11: actually two separate houses that Sean Combs has combined into

558
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 11: one large estate. And there were pills, powders, and my

559
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 11: personal favorite was a giant green trunk that had Diddy

560
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 11: written on the side of it that was stock full

561
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 11: of marijuana and marijuana associated products.

562
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was said, did he on it? Okay,

563
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: who's going to claim, Oh, that's not mine?

564
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: It has his name on it. For Pete's sake.

565
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: I mean, how vain, Rob shooter, you got your drug

566
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 2: bag with your name engraved on it?

567
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: Really stupid, absolutely stupid.

568
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: Now, I was looking at that footage though, did He

569
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: was a real neat freak, So that is not how

570
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: his office would be. If you looked at my office,

571
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: it might look a little like that, even without a raid,

572
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: but did he was very, very neat, and so this

573
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: is not how his office would have been. So they

574
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: really searched, they really looked deeply in there, and they

575
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: found what I think are the goods and ultimately now

576
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: his name's on it.

577
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 4: It was in his house.

578
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: He's going to own this, Okay, so hey, look at

579
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: all the those tennis shoes, man, those are that's thousands

580
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: and thousands of dollars.

581
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: Again, this from my friends at TMZ, my friend Harvey Levin.

582
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: Shooter, you very carefully sidestepped any drug use you observed

583
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: while while working for Sean Combs.

584
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 4: I would never don't lie to me, you, Nancy Grace.

585
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: I would tell you everything.

586
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Anything you want ask away comes use drugs, I would guess, Yes,

587
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: I didn't see him do drugs.

588
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: There were times when I was with him when he

589
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: was when he was I didn't.

590
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: I really didn't. And there was times when you get

591
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: really odd texts emails from him. And now looking back,

592
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that those times he was on drugs, I

593
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: didn't see him do.

594
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: And I guess part of it is Shooter, that when

595
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: you saw him it was for like a photo shoot

596
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: or completing his you know, videography, everything that he was doing.

597
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: But it's very hard when you're hooked on drugs to separated.

598
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I wonder if you somehow

599
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: missed this shooter. That Louis Vuton bag Shawn comes carried

600
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: with him everywhere. It was stuffed with viagra and some

601
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: rearly potent form of viagra adviilt water PILs appeals to

602
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: increase his sperm count, cash, ecstasy, percocet. It goes on

603
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: and on, stuffed with it his Louis Veton bag, and

604
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: we went everywhere with drugs. Yet now we're hearing an

605
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: attack on the victims because they may have used drugs.

606
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy is not lost on me. He did travel

607
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: with a bag. His assistant always had a bag. I

608
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: assumed it was grooming products. I really did.

609
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: I sound stupid and naive about it, but I didn't

610
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 4: know that this It.

611
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Was VIAGRAA and astroglide. Man viagra and astro glid crime

612
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: stores with Nancy Grace to the courthouse standing by Lauren Conlin.

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00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Lauren. We also heard.

614
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Speaker 2: In detail from a videographer, a video expert, Frank Piazza.

615
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: What happened.

616
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 7: We heard from the government expert Frank Piazza, who works

617
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 7: for Legal and Audio Video. He's a forensic video expert

618
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 7: and essentially his testimony for the government was that he

619
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 7: put together the surveillance footage from the Intercontinental Hotel and

620
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 7: the cell phone footage that we've seen previously.

621
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 6: He put this together chronologically.

622
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 7: He described why certain things happen, why sometimes the time

623
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Speaker 7: stamps get ahead. He said that sometimes there are you know,

624
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 7: thirty frames in a second, but we're seeing twenty two.

625
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 7: He explained that, you know, when we are looking at this,

626
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 7: he inserted black spots or a black screen when seconds

627
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 7: were skipped, and these seconds were skipped due to motion

628
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 7: sensors and all of that type of forensic video stuff

629
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 7: that a lot of us don't understand, but we were

630
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 7: really trying to. But essentially he wanted us to know

631
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 7: that really nothing was altered and the video is a

632
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 7: good depiction of what we saw in the hallway on

633
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 7: March fifth, twenty sixteen, which of course is the infamous

634
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 7: video of Cassie being tragically beaten.

635
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: And Lauren Colin.

636
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: Of course, that did not stop the defense from a

637
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: vigorous cross examination.

638
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 7: Right what happened when Tenny Gerret goes to the cross examination,

639
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 7: she just wanted to point out certain things that maybe

640
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 7: gipped ahead too much. You know, there were five second

641
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 7: differences in certain frames because the motion sensor wasn't picking

642
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 7: up on any motion. So for example, we saw Diddy,

643
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 7: you know, a bag was in his hand and then

644
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 7: the bag was dropped, and this happened because five seconds were.

645
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 6: Skipped because of again a motion sensor.

646
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 7: So she just wanted to make it clear that certain

647
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 7: angles we saw in this video, things weren't quite as

648
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 7: fast moving as it would seem because of certain just

649
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 7: issues because of the way that the surveillance footage was

650
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 7: was shot. It was an older system at the time,

651
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 7: and again that testimony, I think a lot of us

652
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 7: were really focused on trying to understand it as well

653
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 7: as the jury joining.

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Speaker 2: Me now expert to break it all down for us.

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Speaker 2: Todd Shipley, digital cybercrime expert, former detective sergeant with Reno PD,

656
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: twenty five years in LA law enforcement and author of

657
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Speaker 2: Surviving a Cyber Attack and Investigating Internet Crimes. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. You can find at Dark Intel

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Speaker 2: Info and Tash Shiplake. What is she saying? What were

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Speaker 2: they trying to do on the stand, Well.

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Speaker 16: The prosecution was try to introduce the film that was

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Speaker 16: a video recording of a video recording of what occurred,

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Speaker 16: and so they successfully got it in the testimony wasn't

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Speaker 16: really rebutted, although the defense tried to set up that

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Speaker 16: there were some issues with the film itself and the timestamps,

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Speaker 16: but all that was clearly defined and identified by the

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Speaker 16: witness to say that it's normal behavior because of how

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Speaker 16: the film was made, which was a iPhone video of

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Speaker 16: another video, and so they were able to get it

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Speaker 16: clearly introduced. And it's going to be damning evidence along

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Speaker 16: with all the other potential evidence that exists, because there's

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Speaker 16: ninety pieces of digital evidence that are going to come

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Speaker 16: in that the FBI's taken.

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Speaker 1: Where do you get the number ninety pieces.

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Speaker 16: Well, it's been reported in the news that there's that

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Speaker 16: many pieces of evidence that were taken from the various

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Speaker 16: search warrants of his properties. So we'll see how whether

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Speaker 16: that all comes out, whether how much of it gets introduced,

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Speaker 16: but there's a lot of digital evidence potentially in this

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Speaker 16: case to reflect on what occurred.

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Speaker 2: You know what, ton Shipley is a good thing the

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Speaker 2: state had this witness, Frank Piazza, on the stand because

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Speaker 2: they could have just entered well they did, they introduced

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Speaker 2: the video already, but if they hadn't had that.

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Speaker 1: Witness on the stand.

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Speaker 2: They could have used those glitches in the video and

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Speaker 2: claim that it had been tampered with and it wasn't real.

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Speaker 2: They could argue that in their closing statements. So thank

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Speaker 2: goodness they had Piazza right well exactly.

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Speaker 16: I mean, he clearly identified why those things occurred and

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Speaker 16: how they occurred. And without his testimony, you're correct, they

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Speaker 16: would have said that there was a problem with the film,

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Speaker 16: and he shut down that whole defense that there was

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Speaker 16: a problem with the film. Unless they bring somebody else

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Speaker 16: on to dispute it, you know, it's going to stand

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Speaker 16: that the is as was shown and there's you know,

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Speaker 16: not going to be defense against it.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin at the courthouse, the Monahand Courthouse, Lauren, I'm

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Speaker 2: very curious about how the jury is reacting to what's happening.

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Speaker 7: I have to try so hard to not make any

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Speaker 7: type of expression or faith when I am watching that video.

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Speaker 7: I'm in a new spot today in the courtroom, so

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Speaker 7: I was observing the jury and most of the jurors

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Speaker 7: still don't have a reaction to watching that video over

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Speaker 7: and over again, although there is one man that does

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Speaker 7: seem very pained by it.

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Speaker 6: He kind of has his head down.

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Speaker 7: You know, you can kind of see him sort of

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Speaker 7: shaking from time to time.

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Speaker 1: You hear that debate, it's the death knew.

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Speaker 2: You see a jar or hanging their head during the testimony,

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Speaker 2: it's the nail response.

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Speaker 4: That's only one out of twelve.

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Speaker 12: Remember, you've got to get a dozen, or a baker's does.

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Speaker 12: And assuming you get one kicked and have to put

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Speaker 12: in an alternate one does not get you a verdict period.

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Speaker 12: If anything, that would be a defense win. And by

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Speaker 12: the way I have learned over the years, I do

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Speaker 12: not ever judge my success during a trial based on

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Speaker 12: the nodding, grimacing of a juror or notes that their taking,

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Speaker 12: because all the magic changes.

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Speaker 6: One six, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Hearing something from the courthouse. Oh yeah, it's Diddy's death nail.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds, and now we remember an

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Speaker 2: American hero, Sergeant Floyd Miles, Charles City County Sheriff's Office,

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Speaker 2: passed away in a line of duty and leaves behind

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Speaker 2: grieving wife Denise and children Steven Rashad and Taikwan. American

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Speaker 2: hero Lloyd Miles, Nancy Grace signing off ood Bye friend,