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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week are Beyond

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Speaker 3: Contact looks for the latest news in ufology, discuss some

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Speaker 3: of the classic cases and bring you the latest information

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Speaker 3: from the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to be on Contact. I am Captain Ron, and

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Speaker 4: today we have the honor of speaking with an actual captain,

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Speaker 4: retired US Air Force Captain David Shinley. Captain Shinley spent

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Speaker 4: his active military career as an ICBM launch control officer

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Speaker 4: with both the Atlas E and Minuteman one weapons systems.

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Speaker 4: For nearly forty years, Captain Shinley kept his Air Force

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Speaker 4: mandated secret of the unearthly experience he had which put

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Speaker 4: ten of his Minuteman missiles out of commission to himself.

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Speaker 4: It was only after hearing Robert Sallas and others come

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Speaker 4: forward with their stories did he actually come forward with

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Speaker 4: him with his own story. Thankfully, he recognized that the

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Speaker 4: truth of the UFO question must be released to all humankind.

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Speaker 4: Hi Our Captain Shinley, I appreciate you coming on, Thanks

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Speaker 4: taking the time today.

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Speaker 5: Hiler, It's good to be with you.

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Speaker 4: You know, you had quite a panel there at Contact

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Speaker 4: in the Desert with fellow nuclear incident witnesses. We had

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Speaker 4: Robert Jamison and Robert Salas and what was that like

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Speaker 4: sitting there with those other military people who had virtually

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Speaker 4: the same experience as you did.

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Speaker 5: Well, it was quite interesting to meet all those people.

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Speaker 5: For sure, I had met Bob Sallas previously, but some

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Speaker 5: of those other people I had never met, and it

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Speaker 5: was really an eye opener to talk with him.

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Speaker 4: It was very special for us in the audience as well.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you guys all coming forward with such

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Speaker 4: similar stories, which just adds to the strength of these

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Speaker 4: accounts in my view, would you mind going through the

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Speaker 4: for the audience. You know what happened to you back

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Speaker 4: in September of sixty six at the Minot Air Force

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Speaker 5: Well, one thing I want to clear up right away

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Speaker 5: is that I was involved, but I didn't experience the incident.

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Speaker 5: I relieved the crew that did experience incident. I got

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Speaker 5: then inherited the missiles that they had which were not

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Speaker 5: launchable because of the UFL incident that they had. My

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Speaker 4: So eight people top side actually saw this craft, that's correct,

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Speaker 4: And how do they describe that craft?

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Speaker 5: My commander and I drove up to the facility and

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Speaker 4: And this crew they showed you how the missiles went

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Speaker 5: When my commander and I walked into the capsule which suspended,

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Speaker 5: I used to see him at regular unions. Our reunions

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I gave him a copy of my book and I

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Speaker 5: So you can tell the kind of impact that's had

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's very dramatic. When you saw that all of

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Speaker 5: You know, I have a lot of trouble remembering that

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Speaker 4: Is there any chances could have just been a malfunction,

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Speaker 5: No, And I tell you the reason why. When the

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Speaker 4: back in nineteen sixty six. Captain, what is your reaction

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Speaker 5: As far as their force is concerned. To this day,

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Speaker 5: But I have some real still has some really deep,

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Speaker 5: deeper concerns that I had when I was a might

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Speaker 5: nobody's talking. And now how people are talking.

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Speaker 4: That's good. I want to have more and more people.

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Speaker 4: Every piece adds to the puzzle. You know. It's just

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Speaker 4: so odd to me how you were saying in the

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Speaker 4: this happens again, here's what to do, here's the protocol.

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Speaker 4: But nothing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really mystifying to us. We saw a

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Speaker 5: It was don't speak about this ever again, and this

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Speaker 5: this has happened many times previous, before and afterwards.

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Speaker 5: And they didn't want to question me because they already knew,

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Speaker 4: It's actually more telling that they didn't ask anything about it.

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Speaker 5: And I wish I'd known that earlier. But all through

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Speaker 4: Just like your commander who did not want to talk

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I don't know. But with a lot

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Speaker 5: Well, Mauryel Woods was a security guard out in the field.

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Speaker 5: But these others I mentioned were missilliers who had incidents

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like a lot of these guys even

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Speaker 4: Since you've come forward, have you had a chance to

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Speaker 5: Since I have talked to Mario Woods and so far,

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Speaker 5: actually he and his partner were a kidnapped an Air

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Speaker 5: The stories that they have told are just something else.

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Speaker 4: So not only do they have this trauma of seeing

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Speaker 5: Well, it wasn't the military. Is something else that dropped

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Speaker 4: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yes, they were hostages, they were abductees, they were taking

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Speaker 4: Do they recount their story like that they interacted with beings?

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Speaker 5: Maara Woods has a good story, and he's the only

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Speaker 5: I said, what he went through is just something I

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Speaker 4: I know that. I feel like that even further substantiates

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Speaker 5: What I might say is that there are fifteen launch

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Speaker 5: they're still active today. They're still man today by people

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Speaker 5: This is no sir, and that's this. This is just

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Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Captain

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Speaker 4: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We

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Speaker 4: Was it hard for you to hold onto this secret?

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Speaker 4: Did you feel like you knew something extraordinary that the

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, that's the way it felt like for sure,

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Speaker 5: and I can't talk about it, and I didn't talk

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Speaker 5: Just like the crew that we relieved, they haven't talked

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Speaker 5: last I heard, the crew commander is still alive. And

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Speaker 5: I told you what he said to me, so.

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Speaker 4: You will not. Yeah. Wow, I wonder how those guys

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Speaker 5: But I don't know what kind of effect working at

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Speaker 5: afraid to even talk about it anymore and didn't really

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Speaker 4: Now, how did this experience change like who you are personally? Like?

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Speaker 5: Well? I had a terrific personal impact on me, for sure.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I was scared to speak out. Years

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Speaker 5: public needs to know about this stuff. Somebody needs to

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Speaker 5: there that sort of amazing that Hey and I connected.

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Speaker 5: When I was holding my tongue for forty years, it

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Speaker 5: to read the story of Robert Sallads I remember to

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Speaker 5: That's when it bothered me. And especially with these inner

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Speaker 4: This is ongoing. This wasn't just an isolated incident for

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Speaker 5: Well there are many and many other times. Wow, that

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Speaker 4: I would think it certainly seems that way from what

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Speaker 4: Did you feel relieved when you were able to actually

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Speaker 5: Two thousand and one, I heard from Robert Sallas and

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Speaker 5: Although I'm still a little bit reluctant, and I've turned

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Speaker 4: And how was the response to you coming forward with

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Speaker 5: It's hard to tell. It's hard for me to help

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Speaker 5: because I can tell people and they might say, well, really,

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Speaker 5: that's nice, and some might not say anything all just

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Speaker 4: You understand this, yes, sir.

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Speaker 5: There's some very few people that say, oh my god, really,

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Speaker 5: I get some good responses and some of just nothing,

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00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: you know.

441
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, but at least you you must feel vindicated

442
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,959
Speaker 4: a good that you've got it off your chest and

443
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 4: you've come clean, and that's got to be a good feeling.

444
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's that does feel good.

445
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: Now that you've looked into this subject more because of

446
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: this incident, what do you think these UFOs were. Do

447
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: you think they would maybe a foreign adversary or do

448
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: you really think they were off world?

449
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 5: Well, after viewing the interviewing the people top side, the

450
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 5: six security guards, the cook, and the side manager, and

451
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 5: they viewed this thing here quite sometime right flashing lights,

452
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: I said it was the airplane beacon lights. Oh no, no, no,

453
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 5: these are so bride. They had trouble seeing the structure,

454
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 5: that's saying. And then when it finally took off, it

455
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 5: took off in a flash one two seconds. It was

456
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 5: out of sight. And there's nothing man made on this

457
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 5: earth that can build something like that with the speed

458
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 5: that that thing had. So I knew then that you know,

459
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 5: it's not mad made. Where's it from? Out of this world?

460
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: Is all I could think of right now. It's interesting

461
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 4: how when you hear that description of the hovering and

462
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 4: the silence and the lights and the way it disappeared

463
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: in a flash. So many UFO accounts that we hear

464
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 4: of today echo exactly those exact same characteristics.

465
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 5: Exactly the same thing. There are so many people not

466
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 5: just in missile fields but other fields now that have

467
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 5: come out and talked the whistleblowers, David Grush especially, So

468
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 5: many people have come out now and talked about this

469
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 5: stuff that.

470
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: You thought Rush is pretty credible, right.

471
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, very much credible. Fact is he's a young

472
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 5: guy compared to me, and you know, he's got a

473
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 5: big future ahead of him, but he he just stroyed

474
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 5: part of this feeture that coming out, and you gotta

475
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 5: think about that, you know. And there's so many people

476
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 5: David Fraverer, Ryan Graves, Carl Nell. I mean, these are

477
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 5: high flooding people. They had big jobs in government and

478
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 5: really really top secret.

479
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: A lot to lose, absolutely, yeah, thank God for all

480
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 4: of them, as well as yourself. You know, whatever these

481
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: objects are, they clearly do seem to be interested in

482
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: our nuclear program. Not only from you and Bob and

483
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: these other stories we've heard, but there's so many other

484
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 4: stories that oftentimes center around nuclear bases Bentwaters. You brought

485
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 4: up Robert Hastings. He wrote a whole book UFO and Nukes.

486
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on that? Why are they coming

487
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 4: to the nuclear basis?

488
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 5: Good question, Robert Salis will tell you, and that's that

489
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 5: they're here to give us a warning at nuclear sites,

490
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 5: to give us warning. But you know, it's interesting that

491
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 5: you mentioned Brent Waters because I had a fraternity brother

492
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: who is squadron commander of the I think it was

493
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 5: the ninety first time you meet it with eighty first

494
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: Fighter Interceptor Squadron, and I exchanged Christmas cards with him

495
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 5: every Christmas. And I went and visit now to Houston

496
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 5: two three years ago. And he won't talk about it much,

497
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 5: but boy will his wife talk about it. And that

498
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 5: really shook up the community down there at Waters.

499
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: Happened. Interesting. Yeah, Well, we've had several people Peniston and

500
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: Burroughs and Colonel Holt of course, so many people have

501
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 4: come forward to That's why I feel like that's a

502
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: really strong case as well.

503
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And it sets.

504
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 4: Up with your case and Bob Salas at Malstrom. So

505
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: many of these cases aligned so in such a specific

506
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: way that I feel like that tends to lend credibility

507
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: to each of the stories.

508
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 5: And Ben Waters was in December nineteen eighty, mine was

509
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 5: in nineteen sixty six. Sixty seven was Bob sixty seven

510
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 5: was Bob in March six months apart. And at that

511
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 5: time there were nuclear energy facilities were experiencing these objects

512
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 5: hovering around and wizard around this stuff and causing bottles.

513
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 5: Some people seeing this stuff, but they were quieted also.

514
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: So if you do the research which is out there,

515
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 5: you find out about this stuff absolutely.

516
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to ask Captain Shinley

517
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: what his thoughts are about testifying in Congress and how

518
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: that's looking for him. You're listening to be on Contact

519
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.

520
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Captain

521
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: Shinley about his UFO incident over my Not Air Force

522
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: Base back in nineteen sixty six. What was it that

523
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: the other witnesses seem to have felt. You said that

524
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: Bob felt that the message was a warning or whatever

525
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: about the nuclear thing. Do other people have different sentiments?

526
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: I have really not heard from other people to what

527
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: they think are why this stuff is occurring or what

528
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 5: they're up to. What message are they sending? But the

529
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: only message I've heard is that they're sending in us

530
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 5: a message about don't play with these nuclear weapons.

531
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 4: Is it don't play with these or look we can

532
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: just turn these off like nothing.

533
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 5: Well that's the message. They're turning them off to give

534
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 5: us a message. I think, just like Bob South says.

535
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: I E were in charge, we can do at will

536
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: what we want.

537
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 5: I mean, they could do much more than they've been doing.

538
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 5: So they're harassing, but they really haven't caused us any harm.

539
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 5: So that's something to think about too.

540
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely, now you're interviewed by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution

541
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: Office ARROW, what did you think about them?

542
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: I knew that Sean Kirkpatrick was a fraud to begin

543
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: with when he gave his response to an interview with Gilbrandt

544
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: and he said to her, we'll make it SEP and

545
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 5: SAP in their language, was someone else's problem. When he

546
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 5: said that to her, I knew that Sean was a fraud.

547
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 5: And I talked with him, I knew new. I told Sean,

548
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 5: I said, if you're going to use the scientific method

549
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 5: to solve this problem of UFOs and U UAPs and

550
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 5: so forth, You're not going to get anywhere. And then

551
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 5: he started to argue with me and says, I said,

552
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear it. I mean, the science

553
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 5: of today has not caught up with what U folks

554
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: can do, with the physics that U folks can do,

555
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 5: making right angle turns, shooting up in the flash and

556
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 5: so forth. Sean Kirpatrick is a fraud. And I did

557
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 5: several emails afterwards with some of those people. I said

558
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: to that, I said, if you can't fly straight, you know,

559
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: get out of the business.

560
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: Surprisingly, they went at him at the last hearing, the

561
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: congressional hearing as well. That was incredible the way they

562
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 4: went at him.

563
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was really disurbed. I was angry after

564
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 5: the after all that.

565
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: I bet I would be too. You also took part

566
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: in the twenty thirteen citizens hearing on disclosure with Steve

567
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen. What do you think it took so

568
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 4: long for people to kind of get or accept or

569
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: certainly believe this information? Why is it so slow?

570
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: Good question? I've wondered that myself, especially after see has

571
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: Bennett See Bennett's thing in Washington, d C. And there

572
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 5: were a lot of people there, and a lot of

573
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 5: well known people there. I sat next to Hellier.

574
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: From Canada.

575
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 5: I didn't know who the heck he was, and later

576
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 5: I found out, I, oh, my goodness, this is getting

577
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 5: into high closis now. And that was only in twenty thirteen.

578
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 5: That made a big impression on me, and it felt

579
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: like I was testified before Congress, old to retired senators

580
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: and the representatives, but nonetheless it impacted me and I'm

581
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 5: sure it impacted them.

582
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 4: Well, it felt that way. What about the possibility of

583
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: you actually testifying in front of us sitting Congress? You know,

584
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 4: do you think that might happen?

585
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 5: I hope it comes to be. I hope it was

586
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: going to happen this fall, but it looks like it's

587
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: going to take a while longer. I have no idea,

588
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 5: and maybe to take another year, maybe two years, maybe

589
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: ten to more here. So I hate to think about

590
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 5: it now. But you know, the public pretty much knows

591
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: now there's something going on here, and with people speaking

592
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 5: out and so forth, the Navy speaking out a little bit,

593
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 5: but they are for saying absolutely nothing. That tells you something,

594
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: and it sure does.

595
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 4: Now. What are your thoughts on the progress we've seen

596
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: so far from Congress. We have had a few hearings,

597
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: and they do seem to be taking it very seriously.

598
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: And I've been impressed with the knowledge in the questions

599
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 4: they've been asking. It's not like they have no idea

600
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: about the subject. They seem some of the members seem

601
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 4: very versed in the subject.

602
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: Some of them seem like they've been instructed not to

603
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 5: speak out in certain ways, and that they actually know

604
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 5: things that they don't want to get in trouble with

605
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 5: and talking about. Very pleasing to to see some congressmen

606
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 5: involved with this, But then I think, hey, come on,

607
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 5: you guys, if you know, let the public.

608
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: Know, right, you think we're going to get disclosure someday.

609
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: But I hope I'm still around when that.

610
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think my great great grandchildren will see that.

611
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 4: In uh twenty eighteen, you wrote a book It Never Happened,

612
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: Volume one, Yes, about that incident that we've been talking about. Yes,

613
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: was it therapeutic for you to write that and get

614
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 4: it all down?

615
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 5: It was very much so. Not only that, but with

616
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: my older years and starting to forget things and so forth,

617
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 5: and recognizing that, hey, I'm not a spring Jack and

618
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 5: I used to be writing that stuff down and then

619
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 5: reading it over and over and over again. Oh my god,

620
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: you know, yes, answer your question. I've started. I started

621
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 5: another book many years ago. I published that first volume

622
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen. I've got another book almost completed. I

623
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: just hope I complete it in time. But it talks

624
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 5: about Project Bluebook.

625
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 4: Is this volume two?

626
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: This is volume two, and I hope to publish it

627
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 5: next year, but it might be the year after that.

628
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 5: I hate to say.

629
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 4: It's great to put it all down so we can

630
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: have that it's a part of history. The Minot Air

631
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 4: Force Base had a radar on the base, as you've

632
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: alluded to, and several instances that took place there, as

633
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 4: you also mentioned with Val Smith. J Allen Heinek Well,

634
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: working for Project Blue Book, came out there and investigated

635
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: that incident, and of course, the Project bluebooks conclusion is

636
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: that there's never been any incident that was a threat

637
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: to national security. Well, it seems to me like turning

638
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: off ten nuclear warheads would qualify. But what do I know, what.

639
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: Do you do?

640
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, I would think so. Sitting outside the fence

641
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: and and sixty feet above the underground capsule at control

642
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: of those missiles and to take them off alert. It's

643
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 5: just amazing and then have a.

644
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: National security than turning off our defense system.

645
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 5: You're exactly right, Yeah.

646
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: It's incredible. Well, thank you, sir. I really appreciate you

647
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: taking the time to share your story with us. It's

648
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 4: an important piece of the puzzle and an important part

649
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 4: of history. So thank you again.

650
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 5: Well, you know this happened for me sixty years ago

651
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 5: in September, and so you know that's not just a

652
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 5: short time ago. This has been stuff has been going

653
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 5: on for a long time. The public needs to know this.

654
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 5: Read my book you'll find out all about it, and

655
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: plus a bunch of other things that they are force

656
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: is put under the covers.

657
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: Unbelievable. Well, thank you for sharing all of that. I'm

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