WEBVTT - 9 Not-So-Elementary Facts About Sherlock Holmes!

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what, my gush?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that? Mary? Also Mary, I'm supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 1>one saying the guest was, but I'll let it slide

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<v Speaker 1>this time. What is up? Mary? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, today is a very important day and we need

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it your Birthda better? It's not my virtue? Oh God,

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<v Speaker 3>so much better? No nofense, my goshion, I'm taking I

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<v Speaker 3>give up. Why is today so special?

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<v Speaker 2>It's November twenty first, which is the anniversary of Sherlock

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes's first appearance in print. On this day, in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven, a British magazine called Beaten's Christmas Annual came

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<v Speaker 2>out with Arthur Conan Doyle's very first home story, a

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<v Speaker 2>novel called A Study in Scarlett.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I love a Study in Scarlet. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the best part. A lot of people have no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>The exact date of the story publication is weirdly hard

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<v Speaker 2>to find. That's because this magazine, which was only published annually,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a date anywhere on it, just the year,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why you'll sometimes find December eighteen eighty seven

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<v Speaker 2>given as the date of holmes debut because it said Christmas, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing about Sherlock Holmes superfans like me is

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<v Speaker 2>we want facts, we don't want guestimates. So a Sherlock

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<v Speaker 2>historian named Matthias Bostrom decided to solve the problem of

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<v Speaker 2>the overly vague publication date by digging into newspapers of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and he found a series of ads promoting

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<v Speaker 2>Beaten's Christmas Annual and Doyle's novel, which was the big

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<v Speaker 2>feature in it, that first appeared on November twenty first.

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<v Speaker 2>The ad copy said the magazine was available for purchase

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<v Speaker 2>for one shilling and now pre orders were not a

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<v Speaker 2>thing back then, which meant the magazine must have been

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<v Speaker 2>on newstands that day, and November twenty first, eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>seven was a Monday, so just to be sure, Boston

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<v Speaker 2>went back. He checked papers from the previous week and

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<v Speaker 2>found no mention of Beaten's magazine for Sherlock Holmes. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>we can deduce that today, November twenty first, is the

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<v Speaker 2>real anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how analytical and how thorough that is is

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<v Speaker 1>really amazing. These are my people. Well, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>the game's afoot, so less discovered non intriguing facts about

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<v Speaker 1>Sherlock Holmes. Hey there, podcast listeners, Welcome to Part time Genius.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Mongish articular, and today I have my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>super producer Mary Philip Sandy in the studio with me.

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<v Speaker 1>And right over there observing my every move and scribbling

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<v Speaker 1>in a notebook is Dylan Fagan. He better not be

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<v Speaker 1>writing a rip rowing uncle of all my adventures. I

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<v Speaker 1>have told him over and over not to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get started. Mary. You know, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vaguely knew you were into Sherila Holmbs, but I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea like how much a part of your life

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<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this goes back. My grandparents gave me a

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<v Speaker 2>collection of the stories when I was like ten years

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<v Speaker 2>old for Christmas. I spent the entire holiday vacation just

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<v Speaker 2>hold up in my room reading this book over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over. I still have it, and I still

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<v Speaker 2>read it to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>And was it just shla Colmbs or was it other

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries and mystery novels as well?

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<v Speaker 2>It was really just Slack Holms. There was just something

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<v Speaker 2>about it that captured my imagination to a degree that

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people can relate to because

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<v Speaker 2>it's really exciting, really well written, and the characters just

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<v Speaker 2>come alive, they jump off the page at you.

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<v Speaker 1>And was this a family thing too or just just you?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was just a lonely nerd in my room

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<v Speaker 2>with my Holm stories and I still am. That's really it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the reason I'm asking is because homes definitely had

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<v Speaker 1>a presence in my house as well. Like I loved mysteries,

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved mystery novel I loved like Encyclopedia Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>I loved and It Bliden's The Famous Five. I read

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<v Speaker 1>all the Miss Marple and Rachael Poirot in the school library.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was obsessed with Sherlock Holmes so much so

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<v Speaker 1>that for both third grade and fourth grade Halloween's I

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<v Speaker 1>was sholock.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there photographic evidence? Okay, but it's definitely true. And

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<v Speaker 4>also like I was telling a friend this earlier, but

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<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest crisis I remember dealing with and

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<v Speaker 4>this is how easy my life was. But like one

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<v Speaker 4>of the biggest crisis was in sixth or seventh grade.

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<v Speaker 4>Seinfeld used to be aired on Wednesday nights, and this

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<v Speaker 4>PBS show Mystery aired on Thursday nights, and my mom

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<v Speaker 4>and I would watch Mystery, and then they moved Seinfeld

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<v Speaker 4>into the same time slot, and it created all this

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<v Speaker 4>conflict because I didn't want to tell my mom I

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<v Speaker 4>might want to instead.

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<v Speaker 1>I still kind of really he wanted to watch these

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries and Jeremy Brett being a Sherlock Holmes or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But finally my friend Howard jumped in to save the

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<v Speaker 1>day and he taped Seinfeld for me weekly, which is

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<v Speaker 1>so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>Howard saved today. That's amazing. That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell me, did you ever go around the like

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood trying to solve mysteries or anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I still do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I still do that to this debt, No, truly, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it'll be like, hmmmm that restaurant. That restaurant's

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<v Speaker 2>changed a dishaunting. I wonder why, you know, because in

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<v Speaker 2>New York there's always things changing, and there's always a

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<v Speaker 2>reason if you pay attention, there is always a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>My neighbors love me. I remember in third grade there

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<v Speaker 1>was like a new kid in my neighborhood and he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being very sweet kid. But he would stretch

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<v Speaker 1>the truth a lot, and so like we biked down there,

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<v Speaker 1>we met him, and he's kind of lulky, and he

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<v Speaker 1>told us he was like the second grade world boxing

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<v Speaker 1>champion or whatever, like something nonsense, very very realistic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. And I was like trying to deduce how

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell he wasn't. So I was like, see,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see he doesn't have any ten lines. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he hasn't been around the world, like you know that

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<v Speaker 1>this is absolutely fake. No.

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<v Speaker 2>A few years ago a friend of mine got catfished

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<v Speaker 2>and I helped crack that case. Really Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>of course we could do a whole episode on that.

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<v Speaker 1>For our catfish. Yeah yeah, yeah, well I think we

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<v Speaker 1>probably should get started. Do you want to hear that story?

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<v Speaker 1>Since you are the resident Sherlock Holmes head, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you start?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So, like I said, people around the world have

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<v Speaker 2>become obsessed with Sherlock Holmes for very good reason. And

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<v Speaker 2>today there are statues of Sherlock Holmes in London, in Edinburgh,

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<v Speaker 2>in Moscow, and of course in Chester, Illinois, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a town of about eight thousand people on the Mississippi River,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's actually the home of the only Sherlock Holmes

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<v Speaker 2>statue in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what's funny is that my old boss,

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<v Speaker 1>this eccentric guy named Felix Dennis, he had this garden

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<v Speaker 1>of heroes that he had in his backyard. So he

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<v Speaker 1>had like a sculpture made of Roger Banister, of like

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<v Speaker 1>Bruce Lee, of all these people. And Sherlock Holmes was

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<v Speaker 1>in that garden of heroes as he should be, which

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<v Speaker 1>is so ridiculous but cool in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make sense, but it also kind of does

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was not Chester, Illinois. So tell me what

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<v Speaker 1>does this little town have to do with Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely nothing. But it is also the home of Elsie

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<v Speaker 2>Chrysler Segar, the cartoonist who created Popeye, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>spinacheating sailorman right. Cigar was born in eighteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>and he grew up reading Sherlock Holmes. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan. He even worked a bunch of Sherlock references

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<v Speaker 2>into Thimble Theater, the popular comic strip where he introduced

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<v Speaker 2>his famous characters Olive oil, Ham, Gravy, and Popeye. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>Sierra died in nineteen thirty eight. He was only forty three,

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<v Speaker 2>and apparently he was working on a Sherlock inspired detective

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<v Speaker 2>story that he never got to finish. To honor him,

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Chester began putting up statues of the

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<v Speaker 2>Popeye character. There's like a trail you can walk around

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<v Speaker 2>and see them all. And in twenty nineteen they unveiled

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<v Speaker 2>a statue called Sherlock and Cigar. It's the famous detective.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wearing his hat and the cape. He's holding a

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<v Speaker 2>magnifying glass in a newspaper, but his face was made

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<v Speaker 2>to look like Cigars. And there's also a time capsule

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<v Speaker 2>buried next to the statue. I love this. They put

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<v Speaker 2>a time capsule in the ground under the statue and

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<v Speaker 2>they're planning to dig it up on cigars two hundredth birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone mark your calendars on December eighth, twenty ninety four.

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<v Speaker 2>We are all going to Chester, Illinois to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what's in that time guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's so crazy. It's also crazy that they switched

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<v Speaker 1>out his face for Cigars.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's really there's pictures of it online. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Cigar have like a curious looking face like anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Just perfectly normal looking guy? He doesn't look like Popeye

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is pretty well known that a Scottish surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>named doctor Joseph Bell was the model for Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was wondering what is the opposite of Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know his mortal enemy, Professor Moriarty, and he is

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<v Speaker 1>such a memorable character even though he only appears in

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of stories. And the crazy thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>Conan Doyle actually doesn't build out a huge life story

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<v Speaker 1>for him. We know he's exceptionally brilliant. He's a great mathematician,

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<v Speaker 1>an astronomer, chess player, a former academic, left teaching and

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<v Speaker 1>became a consulting criminal for the London Underworld. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are intriguing clues that point to a person who might

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<v Speaker 1>actually have been Conan Doyle's inspiration. So, for example, Moriarty

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<v Speaker 1>is said to have written a treatise on the binomial

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<v Speaker 1>theorem when he was just twenty one, and a book

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<v Speaker 1>called The Dynamics of an Asteroid that Holmes says is

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<v Speaker 1>so good that no one in the scientific community can

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<v Speaker 1>criticize it. Well, it turns out there was an exceptionally brilliant,

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<v Speaker 1>high profile Canadian American mathematician and astronomer named Simon Newcombe.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually taught at Johns Hopkins for a while well,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wrote a paper about the binomial theorem when

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<v Speaker 1>he was only nineteen, and this occurred in the eighteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, sounds familiar. He also published several papers

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<v Speaker 1>about the movements of individual asteroids.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's that's kind of uncanny. Don't tell me this

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<v Speaker 2>Newcomb guy was also a criminal mastermind.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but apparently he was super, super intense. His colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>were intimidated by him, and it's been said he was

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<v Speaker 1>more feared than liked. And apparently Arthur Conan Doyle had

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<v Speaker 1>a close friend who was familiar with Nucomb and his work.

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<v Speaker 1>So we may have this cranky professor to thank for

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<v Speaker 1>one of literature's greatest baddies.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, thank you, professor Newcombe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Science and medicine are such an interesting part of the

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<v Speaker 2>Sherlock Holms stories, and it really makes sense given Conan

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<v Speaker 2>Doyle's own career as a doctor. But one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>fascinates me is how Holmes influenced and reflected the emerging

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<v Speaker 2>field of forensic science. Take fingerprints for example, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dusting a crime scene for Prince is like Law and

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<v Speaker 2>Order one oh one. Now, even though people had been

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<v Speaker 2>studying fingerprints for centuries, it wasn't until eighteen ninety two

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<v Speaker 2>that a murder was solved using fingerprint evidence, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a case in Argentina, and Argentina actually became the

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<v Speaker 2>first country in the world to make fingerprinting an official

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<v Speaker 2>method of identifying individuals, especially in the context of crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really remarkable that Sherlock Holmes was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>fingerprint evidence as early as eighteen ninety in The Sign

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<v Speaker 2>of the Four. He was ahead of the times and

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<v Speaker 2>way ahead of Scotland. Yard as usual, they did not

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<v Speaker 2>use fingerprints until nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh one, that is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was also a French criminologist named doctor Edmond

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<v Speaker 2>Locard who is considered the father of forensic science. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ten he worked with the Leon Police Department to

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<v Speaker 2>set up the world's first crime investigation lab and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where he developed modern techniques like chemical analysis of ink

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<v Speaker 2>and handwriting identification. He was also a pioneer of dust analysis,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the study of dust, mud, other tiny particles

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<v Speaker 2>found at crime scenes, like bits of things tracked in

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<v Speaker 2>by shoes or tiny traces of fibers from clothing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that work really echoed the level of precision that Holmes

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<v Speaker 2>often used to solve cases, and Lecard gave him credit

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<v Speaker 2>for all of this. He once said, Sherlock Holmes was

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<v Speaker 2>the first to realize the importance of dust. I merely

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<v Speaker 2>copied his methods.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredible. The one thing I think about when

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<v Speaker 1>I think about fingerprints, though, is that the one creature

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<v Speaker 1>that has fingerprints that can be confused with a humans

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<v Speaker 1>is koala's.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Koala did it.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't the officer or the butler.

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<v Speaker 2>My Kohala butler committed that crime. It was nowhere nearar.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I can't help think about

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<v Speaker 1>is how different Charlock Holmes would be if he were

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<v Speaker 1>written today, right, Like, he probably wouldn't be smoking or vaping,

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<v Speaker 1>so as bad for you. But you know what's worse

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<v Speaker 1>is cocaine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Cocaine is slightly worse. And Conan Doyle's depiction of the

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<v Speaker 1>rug is a fascinating look at the way public perception

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<v Speaker 1>of cocaine has changed over the time. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the sign of the four which you just referenced,

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<v Speaker 1>that came out in eighteen ninety, and it opens with

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes injecting himself with what he calls a seven percent

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<v Speaker 1>solution of cocaine, and Watson observes that he's been doing

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<v Speaker 1>this three times a day for the past several months.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time, cocaine didn't actually carry the stigma

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<v Speaker 1>it does today. It was considered a cutting edge medical marvel,

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<v Speaker 1>and doctors used it as an anesthetic and prescribed it

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<v Speaker 1>for nervousness and lethargy. You could buy cocaine tablets for nausea,

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine sprays for nasal congestion, even cocaine toothpaste for gum sensitivity.

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<v Speaker 1>So by making homes a cocaine user, Conan Doyle was saying, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy knows the latest trends in science, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>got lots of energy.

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<v Speaker 2>For solving crist so much energy.

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<v Speaker 1>But just a decade later, obviously, public opinion shifted. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen oh one, a doctor named John Willie published a

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<v Speaker 1>report of a young patient who'd become addicted to cocaine.

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<v Speaker 1>His arms were bruised from the needles, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>so sick he couldn't leave his home. Obviously, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>very destructive drug, and according to Willie, the young man

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<v Speaker 1>was an avid reader of Sherlock Holmes and wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be like his favorite detective. Now The British Medical Journal

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<v Speaker 1>actually covered the case and warned that authors who glamorized

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<v Speaker 1>the drug use would quote have much to answer for.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though cocaine was still used in medical settings,

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<v Speaker 1>more and more people became concerned about its dangers. So finally,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh four, Conan Doyle broke Sherlock's coke habit

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<v Speaker 1>in the Adventure of the Missing three Quarter, and Watson

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<v Speaker 1>describes his efforts to help Holmes quit cocaine, calling it

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<v Speaker 1>quote the drug mania which had threatened once to check

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<v Speaker 1>his remarkable career.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, don't do drugs. He like Sherlock Combs. Well, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be like Schurlock Coombs that he did drugs. He

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<v Speaker 2>like the later Sherlock Holmes where he's not doing drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the yess.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the fact that I love. Even if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know his name, you probably know the work of

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<v Speaker 2>the artist Sidney Paget, who became famous for his illustrations

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<v Speaker 2>of Conan Doyle's works. Paget drew over three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty pictures of the Detective and his adventures, and for

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<v Speaker 2>many of us, his art shaped our idea of Sherlock

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes as much as the stories themselves. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>can see them in my mind even just saying his name.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's another illustrator I want to tell you about,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's Arthur Conan Doyle's father, Charles Charles Altamont Doyle

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<v Speaker 2>came from a big family of creative people. His dad,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, Arthur's grandfather, was a well known artist and

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<v Speaker 2>political cartoonist. Two of Charles's brothers, Richard and James, that is,

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur's uncles, also went on to become successful artists. As

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<v Speaker 2>a young man, Charles supported his growing family by selling

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<v Speaker 2>book illustrations, but he dreamed of being a world famous

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<v Speaker 2>painter and that just was not happening. He struggled with

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<v Speaker 2>depression and alcoholism, and eventually he lost his job. He

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<v Speaker 2>became unable to work, and he was admitted to a

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<v Speaker 2>psychiatric asylum, which back then was a terrible place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And Arthur Conan Doyle had great sympathy for his father's struggles.

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<v Speaker 2>He never judged him, and he really admired his father's talent.

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<v Speaker 2>So in eighteen eighty eight, he commissioned his dad to

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<v Speaker 2>illustrate the book edition of A Study in Scarlet, which

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<v Speaker 2>was being published as a standalone novel after its first

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<v Speaker 2>appearance in Beaton's magazine. Charles actually drew all those illustrations

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<v Speaker 2>from his cell in the asylum. Oh wow, and they

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<v Speaker 2>capture some of the most exciting moments of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really great, actually. And here's another little detail that

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<v Speaker 2>I find really sweet in a story his Last Bow,

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<v Speaker 2>Sherlock Holmes goes undercover with a fake name, and Conan

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<v Speaker 2>Doyle chose the alias Altamont in honor of his dad.

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<v Speaker 1>That is really sweet. You know. I know little things

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<v Speaker 1>about Conan Doyle, right, like they was friends with Harry Houdini,

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<v Speaker 1>like all all these spiritualist things whatever. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea that he came from this artistic family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was in his blood. It was in his blood.

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<v Speaker 2>And his dad's art was really incredible. He did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of paintings and other drawings when he was locked up,

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<v Speaker 2>and he kind of channeled all of the anger and

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<v Speaker 2>frustration helt about being in this asylum into his art.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's you know belatedly, I think really really interesting. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>Arthur Conan Doyle had an exhibit of his works after

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<v Speaker 2>his dad had died, Yeah, to showcase what he could do.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really, really, really touching.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible. So after this, I'm going to look up

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Conan Doyle's fathers are and you're going to look

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<v Speaker 1>up pictures of me in third grade as Yeah, Sherlock.

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes equally equally important.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important. But that is so sweet. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>illustrations aren't the only way we picture Sherlock Holmes. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to shout out some of the great actors who

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed him. Basil Rathbone, Jeremy bred, Benedict Cummer, Badge, Will Ferrell.

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<v Speaker 2>I always forget that Will Ferrell played Sherlock Holmes. I

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<v Speaker 2>actually I haven't seen it, but I do know it's

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I can't believe you haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this twenty eighteen Buddy comedy Holmes and Watson, with

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<v Speaker 1>Will Ferrell and John c Riley, and The Hollywood Reporter

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<v Speaker 1>described it as devastatingly unfunny.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I will I will not put that on the

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<v Speaker 2>two watch list. Then it's a shake.

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<v Speaker 1>This seems like such a great idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what could go wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But I actually wanted to tell you about another actor

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<v Speaker 1>named will and that is William Gillette. Gillette was actually

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first people to play Homes and he

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<v Speaker 1>helped create two iconic sherlockisms. So backing up a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>William Gillette was an American actor and playwright who helped

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur Conan Doyle write a play about his famous detective.

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<v Speaker 1>It was simply titled Sherlock Holmes. It actually premiered in

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<v Speaker 1>New York in eighteen ninety nine and it had a

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<v Speaker 1>long run on Broadway. It was followed by a hugely

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<v Speaker 1>successful American tour, and then it moved to England and

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<v Speaker 1>had a long run there. So Gillette played Homes actually

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<v Speaker 1>over a thousand times, becoming very very famous and very

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<v Speaker 1>very wealthy. So he designed and built himself a castle

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<v Speaker 1>in Connecticut, where he was from. And this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a castle that I made my mom take me to

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid. Why how what? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think my aunt had mentioned it or something and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh, we have to go there. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of crazy because it's like filled with homes like tricks, right.

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<v Speaker 1>He has like trick mirrors so you can see around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner of places. He has like little secret passageways.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember something having to do with smoke, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't exactly remember, but it was like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the type of thing a kid would design, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a kid who was obsessed with homes in a way.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, back to Gillette as homes. When the play premier,

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<v Speaker 1>Jellette made a decision that would change Sherlock homes forever.

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<v Speaker 1>In the original paget illustrations, Homes is shown smoking a

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<v Speaker 1>normal pipe with a straight stem. Gellette actually wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to deliver lines while pacing the stage and smoking,

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<v Speaker 1>and he realized that with a straight pipe he'd actually

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<v Speaker 1>have his hand in front of his mouth all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>so he swapped it out for one of those beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>curved stem pipes. And that's obviously how we picture homes.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a prop decision.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a prop.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty amazing, right. And the second sherlockism we owe

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<v Speaker 1>to Gillette is the phrase elementary, my dear Watson, which,

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<v Speaker 1>as any homes head knows, Arthur Conan Doyle never wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that phrase, and in the canon Holmes does use the

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<v Speaker 1>phrase elementary to describe his deductions, and he addresses his

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<v Speaker 1>friend is my dear Watson, but he never puts those

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<v Speaker 1>two things together. And Julett added a line to his

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<v Speaker 1>play Holmes says to Watson, elementary, my dear fellow, And

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<v Speaker 1>later on the other scriptwriters made a slight change, replacing

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<v Speaker 1>Fellow with Watson.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and thank goodness they did, because what else would

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<v Speaker 2>we have as a catchphrase? Well, elementary, my dear listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a few more facts to go, but before

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<v Speaker 2>we get to those, let's take a quick outbreak.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 1>with my super producer Mary and we are talking all

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<v Speaker 1>things Sherlock Homes. So, Mary, I am curious, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been a lot of recent adaptations of homes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Downey Junior ones, the Benedict Commer badge. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there was elementary, right, like some show on CBS. Which

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<v Speaker 1>ones do you like? What do you like in the cannon?

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<v Speaker 4>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, obviously Jeremy Brett is the best. That is the

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<v Speaker 2>gold standard as far as i'm yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I could do a whole episode on

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<v Speaker 2>my feelings about the BBC Sharlock and what happened there.

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<v Speaker 2>But Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman were so good. Their performance,

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<v Speaker 2>their chemistry together was just really exceptional. I will say

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<v Speaker 2>there's actually an adaptation that I haven't seen that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to see. It's called Miss Sherlock and it was

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<v Speaker 2>made for Hulu Japan. It's set in Tokyo and the

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<v Speaker 2>two leads are women. I believe it is the first

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<v Speaker 2>major adaptation with Holmes and Watson being women and it's

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<v Speaker 2>set in modern day Tokyo. So I'm really excited. Have

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<v Speaker 2>to track that down.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really wonder really cool. And did you ever watch

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<v Speaker 1>this movie Young Holmes? Yes, I have a friend Lucas

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<v Speaker 1>who sent me like the cliff of the last scene,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Very different vibe than what I'm talking about. Sure, my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I actually forgot how much I loved Sherlock

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes until the BBC series came out. Yeah, with Bendic

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<v Speaker 1>Coumer Batche. But I'm curious what about the Aola home stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not actually seen that, but I've heard it's

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<v Speaker 2>really great. I've heard it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I know, my kids have watched in.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I tried to get Julian to watch it, but

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't interested. Animation only that's the rule.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as we're talking about great moments of

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<v Speaker 1>film and stage, I want to show you the very

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<v Speaker 1>first Shrlock Holmes film. I'd say we can watch it

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<v Speaker 1>right now because it's less than a minute long. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a silent film, which is not great for

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<v Speaker 1>podcast purposes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not ideal. Well, what is the name of this film.

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<v Speaker 1>It is called Sherlock Holmes Baffled, and it was made

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen hundred by the Biograph Company in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually wasn't meant to be shown in theaters. It

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<v Speaker 1>was made for a machine called the Mutoscope, which created

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<v Speaker 1>a moving image by flipping through a reel of cards.

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<v Speaker 1>The device was coin operated and only one person could

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<v Speaker 1>watch it at a time. It had a viewfinder at

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<v Speaker 1>the top so you could peer in and Sherlock Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>Baffled packs a lot into its short run time. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, it's a slapstick comedy. So Holmes finds a

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<v Speaker 1>burglar trying to rob his house, and when he tries

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<v Speaker 1>to grab him, the burglar disappears, and then he reappears,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he escapes through a window, leaving Sherlock Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, baffle right there? It is. It's in the title,

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<v Speaker 1>and the disappearing burglar was an impressive effect for the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was done with stop motion photography, which had only

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<v Speaker 1>entered the cinematic lexicon a few years earlier. But the

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<v Speaker 1>best part is Sherlock Holmes Baffled contains a mystery of

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<v Speaker 1>its own that to this day has not been solved.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows who the actors.

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<v Speaker 2>Are, what, why?

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<v Speaker 1>How come? I mean, if you can remember, this was

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<v Speaker 1>made for this like cheap penny arcade device, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a big feature. And back then movie actors often

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<v Speaker 1>went uncredited, So we don't know who was the first

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<v Speaker 1>person to play Sherlock Holmes in a movie. But we

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<v Speaker 1>can watch him failing to catch that thief whenever you want.

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<v Speaker 1>It is on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh of course it is good. I'll check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your last background of you?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you can't talk about Sherlock Holmes without mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>his fans, and we did just that a few years

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<v Speaker 2>ago in an episode called What does it Take to

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<v Speaker 2>Be a super Fan? Everyone should go back and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to that one as soon as you're done with this one.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to tell you about a very particular

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the fandom that is really interesting and often overlooked,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is the fact that for many, many years,

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<v Speaker 2>official Sherlock Holmes fan societies like the Baker Street Irregulars

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<v Speaker 2>were for men only, no girls allowed. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the thing with being a Sherlock Holmes fan, right,

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<v Speaker 2>these stories exist in a world of white men in

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<v Speaker 2>a very different time, which is fine, but to some

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<v Speaker 2>extent that spilled over into the fandom and created barriers

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<v Speaker 2>that didn't need to exist. And in the nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>a young woman named Evelyn Herzog ran up against this.

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<v Speaker 2>She had discovered Sherlock Holmes as a kid, much like

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and became a huge fan as a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>She actually wrote to the Baker Street Irregulars, which is

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<v Speaker 2>this legendary Sherlockian society founded in nineteen thirty four, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, hey, how can I join? And they

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<v Speaker 2>wrote back saying, well, you can't because a the BSI

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<v Speaker 2>is invite only, and also it didn't accept women. I

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<v Speaker 2>should mention there were some smaller groups that were co ed,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, the big institutions like the Baker Street Irregulars,

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<v Speaker 2>which was and is the most important one of all,

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<v Speaker 2>Evelyn couldn't join. So she goes off to college and

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<v Speaker 2>she meets some other women who love Sherlock Holmes as

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<v Speaker 2>much as she does, and they begin meeting in her

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<v Speaker 2>dorm room to talk all things Sherlock. They read papers

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<v Speaker 2>and literary journals, they read the journal that the Baker

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<v Speaker 2>Street Irregulars put out, and in January of nineteen sixty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>inspired by the Women's Rife its movement, they decide they

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<v Speaker 2>have had enough, and so they make these big signs

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<v Speaker 2>that say things like BSI unfair to women, and they

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<v Speaker 2>go pick it in the freezing cold outside a Baker

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<v Speaker 2>Street Irregular's dinner in Manhattan. They're marching around on the sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point the police even show up, but the

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<v Speaker 2>women stood their ground.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so dramatic, but good for them, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't believe it took till like nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight to like make a protest about this thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>did the Baker street irregulars change their policies after this incident.

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<v Speaker 2>Not right away, no, no, that would have been a

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<v Speaker 2>great ending to this, but no, it actually no, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in its own way. It is great because Evelyn and

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<v Speaker 2>her friends launched their own society, one that is still

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<v Speaker 2>around today. It is called the Adventuresses of Sherlock Holmes

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<v Speaker 2>and it gave women who were excluded from other Sherlockian

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<v Speaker 2>groups a community of their own. The BSI did not

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<v Speaker 2>end its men only rule until nineteen ninety one, ninety one,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, better late than ever. Yeah, but when it

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<v Speaker 2>finally did, Evelyn Hertzog was one of the very first

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<v Speaker 2>women to be invested in the group. And today both

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<v Speaker 2>the BSI and the Adventuresses remain invite only. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>can get my number if you want it, but they

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<v Speaker 2>welcome members regardless of gender, and we love to see that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is insane. So do you know anything about this

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<v Speaker 1>invitation process?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be nominated by someone, So if anyone

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<v Speaker 2>would like to get in touch with me, just contact

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<v Speaker 2>part time genius. Don't let me out.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that fact, But more than anything, I love

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<v Speaker 1>the one that you said about Arthur Conan Doyle's Dad

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<v Speaker 1>and those illustrations. I feel like that definitely earns this

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<v Speaker 1>week's trophy, so I'm going to give it to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I'm an award winning Sherlock Holmes podcaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Takeure Street O regulars, let them know. Well, that's it

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<v Speaker 1>for this episode of Part Time Genius. From Dylan, Gabe, Mary,

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<v Speaker 1>Will and myself. Thank you so much for listening. And

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<v Speaker 1>by Will Pearson and Me Mongage Chatikler and research by

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<v Speaker 1>our goodpal Mary Philip Sandy. Today's episode was engineered and

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<v Speaker 1>produced by the wonderful Dylan Fagan with support from Tyler Klang.

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