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Speaker 1: You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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Speaker 2: Guess what, my gush?

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Speaker 1: What's that? Mary? Also Mary, I'm supposed to be the

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Speaker 1: one saying the guest was, but I'll let it slide

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Speaker 1: this time. What is up? Mary? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Well, today is a very important day and we need

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Speaker 2: to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: Is it your Birthda better? It's not my virtue? Oh God,

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Speaker 3: so much better? No nofense, my goshion, I'm taking I

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Speaker 3: give up. Why is today so special?

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Speaker 2: It's November twenty first, which is the anniversary of Sherlock

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Speaker 2: Holmes's first appearance in print. On this day, in eighteen

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Speaker 2: eighty seven, a British magazine called Beaten's Christmas Annual came

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Speaker 2: out with Arthur Conan Doyle's very first home story, a

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Speaker 2: novel called A Study in Scarlett.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love a Study in Scarlet. But I had

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Speaker 1: no idea.

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Speaker 2: That's the best part. A lot of people have no idea.

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Speaker 2: The exact date of the story publication is weirdly hard

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Speaker 2: to find. That's because this magazine, which was only published annually,

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Speaker 2: didn't have a date anywhere on it, just the year,

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Speaker 2: which is why you'll sometimes find December eighteen eighty seven

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Speaker 2: given as the date of holmes debut because it said Christmas, right.

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Speaker 2: But the thing about Sherlock Holmes superfans like me is

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Speaker 2: we want facts, we don't want guestimates. So a Sherlock

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Speaker 2: historian named Matthias Bostrom decided to solve the problem of

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Speaker 2: the overly vague publication date by digging into newspapers of

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Speaker 2: the time, and he found a series of ads promoting

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Speaker 2: Beaten's Christmas Annual and Doyle's novel, which was the big

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Speaker 2: feature in it, that first appeared on November twenty first.

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Speaker 2: The ad copy said the magazine was available for purchase

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Speaker 2: for one shilling and now pre orders were not a

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Speaker 2: thing back then, which meant the magazine must have been

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Speaker 2: on newstands that day, and November twenty first, eighteen eighty

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Speaker 2: went back. He checked papers from the previous week and

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Speaker 2: found no mention of Beaten's magazine for Sherlock Holmes. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: we can deduce that today, November twenty first, is the

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Speaker 2: real anniversary.

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Speaker 1: I love how analytical and how thorough that is is

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Speaker 1: really amazing. These are my people. Well, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: the game's afoot, so less discovered non intriguing facts about

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Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes. Hey there, podcast listeners, Welcome to Part time Genius.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mongish articular, and today I have my friend and

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Speaker 1: super producer Mary Philip Sandy in the studio with me.

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Speaker 1: And right over there observing my every move and scribbling

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Speaker 1: in a notebook is Dylan Fagan. He better not be

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Speaker 1: writing a rip rowing uncle of all my adventures. I

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Speaker 1: have told him over and over not to do that.

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Speaker 1: So let's get started. Mary. You know, I kind of

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Speaker 1: vaguely knew you were into Sherila Holmbs, but I had

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Speaker 2: I mean, this goes back. My grandparents gave me a

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Speaker 2: old for Christmas. I spent the entire holiday vacation just

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Speaker 2: over and over. I still have it, and I still

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Speaker 1: And was it just shla Colmbs or was it other

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Speaker 2: It was really just Slack Holms. There was just something

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Speaker 2: it's really exciting, really well written, and the characters just

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Speaker 1: And was this a family thing too or just just you?

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Speaker 2: No, I was just a lonely nerd in my room

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason I'm asking is because homes definitely had

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Speaker 4: Is there photographic evidence? Okay, but it's definitely true. And

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Speaker 2: Howard saved today. That's amazing. That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: So tell me, did you ever go around the like

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Speaker 2: Do I still do that?

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Speaker 2: A few years ago a friend of mine got catfished

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Speaker 1: probably should get started. Do you want to hear that story?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So, like I said, people around the world have

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Speaker 2: today there are statues of Sherlock Holmes in London, in Edinburgh,

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny is that my old boss,

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Speaker 1: But that was not Chester, Illinois. So tell me what

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Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing. But it is also the home of Elsie

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Speaker 2: He's wearing his hat and the cape. He's holding a

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Speaker 2: So everyone mark your calendars on December eighth, twenty ninety four.

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Speaker 2: We are all going to Chester, Illinois to find out

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Speaker 1: So that's so crazy. It's also crazy that they switched

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Speaker 1: Did Cigar have like a curious looking face like anything?

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Speaker 2: Just perfectly normal looking guy? He doesn't look like Popeye

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Speaker 1: So it is pretty well known that a Scottish surgeon

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Speaker 1: No, but apparently he was super, super intense. His colleagues

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Speaker 2: Wow, thank you, professor Newcombe.

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Speaker 2: Science and medicine are such an interesting part of the

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Speaker 2: Doyle's own career as a doctor. But one thing that

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Speaker 2: fascinates me is how Holmes influenced and reflected the emerging

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Speaker 2: field of forensic science. Take fingerprints for example, you know,

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Speaker 2: So it's really remarkable that Sherlock Holmes was talking about

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Speaker 1: That is really sweet. You know. I know little things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in his blood. It was in his blood.

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Speaker 1: It's important. But that is so sweet. So you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I can't believe you haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: with my super producer Mary and we are talking all

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Speaker 1: things Sherlock Homes. So, Mary, I am curious, like you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously Jeremy Brett is the best. That is the

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Speaker 1: That's really wonder really cool. And did you ever watch

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Speaker 1: this movie Young Holmes? Yes, I have a friend Lucas

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Speaker 2: really great. I've heard it's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, my kids have watched in.

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Speaker 2: Like I tried to get Julian to watch it, but

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Speaker 2: he wasn't interested. Animation only that's the rule.

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Speaker 1: So as long as we're talking about great moments of

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Speaker 1: film and stage, I want to show you the very

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Speaker 1: first Shrlock Holmes film. I'd say we can watch it

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Speaker 1: right now because it's less than a minute long. But

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Speaker 1: it's also a silent film, which is not great for

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Speaker 1: podcast purposes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not ideal. Well, what is the name of this film.

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Speaker 1: It is called Sherlock Holmes Baffled, and it was made

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Speaker 1: in nineteen hundred by the Biograph Company in New York City.

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Speaker 1: It actually wasn't meant to be shown in theaters. It

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Speaker 1: was made for a machine called the Mutoscope, which created

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Speaker 1: a moving image by flipping through a reel of cards.

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Speaker 1: The device was coin operated and only one person could

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Speaker 1: watch it at a time. It had a viewfinder at

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Speaker 1: the top so you could peer in and Sherlock Holmes

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Speaker 1: Baffled packs a lot into its short run time. First

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Speaker 1: of all, it's a slapstick comedy. So Holmes finds a

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Speaker 1: burglar trying to rob his house, and when he tries

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Speaker 1: to grab him, the burglar disappears, and then he reappears,

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Speaker 1: and then he escapes through a window, leaving Sherlock Holmes.

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Speaker 1: You know, baffle right there? It is. It's in the title,

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Speaker 1: and the disappearing burglar was an impressive effect for the time.

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Speaker 1: It was done with stop motion photography, which had only

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Speaker 1: entered the cinematic lexicon a few years earlier. But the

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Speaker 1: best part is Sherlock Holmes Baffled contains a mystery of

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Speaker 1: its own that to this day has not been solved.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows who the actors.

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Speaker 2: Are, what, why?

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Speaker 1: How come? I mean, if you can remember, this was

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Speaker 1: made for this like cheap penny arcade device, so it

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Speaker 1: wasn't a big feature. And back then movie actors often

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Speaker 1: went uncredited, So we don't know who was the first

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Speaker 1: person to play Sherlock Holmes in a movie. But we

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Speaker 1: can watch him failing to catch that thief whenever you want.

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Speaker 1: It is on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course it is good. I'll check it out.

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Speaker 1: What is your last background of you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you can't talk about Sherlock Holmes without mentioning

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Speaker 2: his fans, and we did just that a few years

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Speaker 2: ago in an episode called What does it Take to

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Speaker 2: Be a super Fan? Everyone should go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to that one as soon as you're done with this one.

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Speaker 2: But I want to tell you about a very particular

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Speaker 2: aspect of the fandom that is really interesting and often overlooked,

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Speaker 2: and that is the fact that for many, many years,

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Speaker 2: official Sherlock Holmes fan societies like the Baker Street Irregulars

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Speaker 2: were for men only, no girls allowed. And you know,

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Speaker 2: this is the thing with being a Sherlock Holmes fan, right,

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Speaker 2: these stories exist in a world of white men in

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Speaker 2: a very different time, which is fine, but to some

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Speaker 2: extent that spilled over into the fandom and created barriers

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Speaker 2: that didn't need to exist. And in the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 2: a young woman named Evelyn Herzog ran up against this.

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Speaker 2: She had discovered Sherlock Holmes as a kid, much like

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Speaker 2: I did, and became a huge fan as a teenager.

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Speaker 2: She actually wrote to the Baker Street Irregulars, which is

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Speaker 2: this legendary Sherlockian society founded in nineteen thirty four, and

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Speaker 2: she was like, hey, how can I join? And they

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Speaker 2: wrote back saying, well, you can't because a the BSI

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Speaker 2: is invite only, and also it didn't accept women. I

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Speaker 2: should mention there were some smaller groups that were co ed,

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Speaker 2: but you know, the big institutions like the Baker Street Irregulars,

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Speaker 2: which was and is the most important one of all,

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Speaker 2: Evelyn couldn't join. So she goes off to college and

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Speaker 2: she meets some other women who love Sherlock Holmes as

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Speaker 2: much as she does, and they begin meeting in her

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Speaker 2: dorm room to talk all things Sherlock. They read papers

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Speaker 2: and literary journals, they read the journal that the Baker

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Speaker 2: Street Irregulars put out, and in January of nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 2: inspired by the Women's Rife its movement, they decide they

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Speaker 2: have had enough, and so they make these big signs

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Speaker 2: that say things like BSI unfair to women, and they

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Speaker 2: go pick it in the freezing cold outside a Baker

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Speaker 2: Street Irregular's dinner in Manhattan. They're marching around on the sidewalk.

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Speaker 2: At one point the police even show up, but the

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Speaker 2: women stood their ground.

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Speaker 1: That is so dramatic, but good for them, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I can't believe it took till like nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: eight to like make a protest about this thing. So

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Speaker 1: did the Baker street irregulars change their policies after this incident.

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Speaker 2: Not right away, no, no, that would have been a

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Speaker 2: great ending to this, but no, it actually no, you know,

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Speaker 2: in its own way. It is great because Evelyn and

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Speaker 2: her friends launched their own society, one that is still

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Speaker 2: around today. It is called the Adventuresses of Sherlock Holmes

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Speaker 2: and it gave women who were excluded from other Sherlockian

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Speaker 2: groups a community of their own. The BSI did not

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Speaker 2: end its men only rule until nineteen ninety one, ninety one,

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Speaker 2: I know, better late than ever. Yeah, but when it

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Speaker 2: finally did, Evelyn Hertzog was one of the very first

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Speaker 2: women to be invested in the group. And today both

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Speaker 2: the BSI and the Adventuresses remain invite only. You guys

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Speaker 2: can get my number if you want it, but they

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Speaker 2: welcome members regardless of gender, and we love to see that.

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Speaker 1: That is insane. So do you know anything about this

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Speaker 1: invitation process?

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Speaker 2: You have to be nominated by someone, So if anyone

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Speaker 2: would like to get in touch with me, just contact

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Speaker 2: part time genius. Don't let me out.

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Speaker 1: I love that fact, But more than anything, I love

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Speaker 1: the one that you said about Arthur Conan Doyle's Dad

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Speaker 1: and those illustrations. I feel like that definitely earns this

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Speaker 1: week's trophy, so I'm going to give it to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm an award winning Sherlock Holmes podcaster.

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Speaker 1: Takeure Street O regulars, let them know. Well, that's it

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Speaker 1: for this episode of Part Time Genius. From Dylan, Gabe, Mary,

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Speaker 1: Will and myself. Thank you so much for listening. And

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Speaker 1: don't forget we do have an Instagram account. It's just

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Speaker 1: at Part Time Genius. Hit us up. We're waiting for

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Speaker 1: a production of Kaleidoscope and iHeartRadio. This show is hosted

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Speaker 1: by Will Pearson and Me Mongage Chatikler and research by

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Speaker 1: our goodpal Mary Philip Sandy. Today's episode was engineered and

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Speaker 1: produced by the wonderful Dylan Fagan with support from Tyler Klang.

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Speaker 1: The show is executive produced for iHeart by Katrina Norbel

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Speaker 1: and Ali Perry, with social media support from Sasha Gay,

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