WEBVTT - S1: E23 – Bodies on the Bayou, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>In the span of five years, Emma Rain lost two

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<v Speaker 1>husbands to murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing was adding up. There wasn't a motive that was

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<v Speaker 2>clear other than the fact that we knew this woman's

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<v Speaker 2>last two husbands were also found dead in sort of

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<v Speaker 2>mysterious circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally the police closed in on the killer,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>We had somebody killing husbands to make a living, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we're in New Orleans, Louisiana, for the conclusion of

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<v Speaker 1>bodies on the Bayou. I'm Sloan Glass and this is

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<v Speaker 1>American homicide. And just a warning that this episode contains

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<v Speaker 1>some graphic content. Please take care while listening. With winds

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<v Speaker 1>of over one hundred and fifty five miles per hour,

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans in August two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>The Category five storm brought massive flooding and devastation that

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<v Speaker 1>forced tens of thousands of New Orleans residence to evacuate.

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<v Speaker 3>Not everybody came back, but crime was one of the

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<v Speaker 3>first things to come back to the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Journalist John Simmerman writes for The Advocate newspaper the.

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<v Speaker 3>Police department in New Orleans was in chaos. During that time,

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<v Speaker 3>it was pretty lawless around here after Katrina.

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<v Speaker 1>Katrina forced hundreds of people who worked as police officers

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<v Speaker 1>to evacuate, and the flooding kept many from returning. The

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<v Speaker 1>police can't protect the city from a hurricane, only from

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<v Speaker 1>what comes later. The question is after Katrina, can New

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans police come back as quickly as crime An understaffed

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<v Speaker 1>and overwhelmed New Orleans PD had to patrol a city

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<v Speaker 1>that historically has had a high murder rate.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a run there where it was the per

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<v Speaker 3>capital leader in homicides in America. It's you know, first, second, third, fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>Every year it's up there. We have a murder problem

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<v Speaker 3>in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>The crime rate in New Orleans usually runs about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty percent higher than the national average. That's remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>So with more crime and fewer cops, many of the

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<v Speaker 1>post Katrina murders went unsolved.

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<v Speaker 2>That was tough.

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<v Speaker 3>That was tough. I don't think their success rate in

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<v Speaker 3>closing murder cases very high back then.

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<v Speaker 1>The case of Ernest Smith was one of those unsolved

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<v Speaker 1>cold cases. As we shared in the previous episode, Ernest

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered in front of his New Orleans home. In

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<v Speaker 1>April two thousand and.

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<v Speaker 3>Six, somebody came up on him and shot him in

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<v Speaker 3>the doorway there. Apparently he'd fallen into the house the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of a stairwell inside there, which had sort of

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<v Speaker 3>created a bloody seen.

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<v Speaker 1>The police investigated, but there were no arrests.

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<v Speaker 3>It was still barren around there. There weren't a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people living out there. I mean, if you were

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<v Speaker 3>going to kill somebody, that wouldn't be a bad place

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<v Speaker 3>to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>After the case went cold, his widow, Emma, moved to Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>A year later. She married Ernest's military buddy James Rain.

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<v Speaker 3>After his killing, it was long before she had moved

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<v Speaker 3>back there, ed and settled into a house that was

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<v Speaker 3>bankrolled in part by the insurance money from Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty eleven, tragedy struck Emma yet again.

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<v Speaker 3>James Rain was killed. He was shot up badly at

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<v Speaker 3>the house he shared with Emma Rain. It looked to

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<v Speaker 3>be very deliberate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when James's step brother, Alfred Everett, started acting strangely.

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<v Speaker 1>His relatives noticed he appeared nervous and uncomfortable and wondered

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<v Speaker 1>if maybe he knew something about James's murder. The family

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<v Speaker 1>questioned him, but Alfred said he had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with it. But after a lot of back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>he shocked them all when he admitted to a different murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Alfred Everett had told them that he had shot Ernest

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<v Speaker 3>Smith and said he threw the gun and like Pontchatrain

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<v Speaker 3>on his way back to Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 1>After the shooting, Alfred said he killed Ernest for a

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<v Speaker 1>few thousand dollars, but he never got paid.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't get that he got two clunker cars, said

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<v Speaker 3>from James Rain.

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred said Emma and James were having an affair at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and the two wanted Ernest dead so they

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<v Speaker 1>could collect his life insurance, a policy, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that Emma had just increased.

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<v Speaker 3>In the months before Ernest Smith's killing. She had not

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<v Speaker 3>only ratcheted up her insurance policy but also added James

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<v Speaker 3>Rain as a fifty to fifty beneficiary.

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<v Speaker 1>After this confession, Alfred promised his relatives that he'd go

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<v Speaker 1>to the police and tell them everything, but instead he disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>Eventually, they called police themselves and turn him in.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twelve, they phoned Detective Descenda Barnes of the

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans PD.

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<v Speaker 3>Descenda Barnes was a cold case detective, and family members

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<v Speaker 3>of James Rain called her wanting to relay information that

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<v Speaker 3>Alfred Evert had shot Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Barnes real opened preacher Ernest Smith's cold case started

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<v Speaker 1>digging into the strange dynamic between Emma, her second husband James,

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<v Speaker 1>and his stepbrother Alfred. Prosecutor Laura Roderick also worked the case.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember saying to her what is going on here

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<v Speaker 2>and her kind of breaking it down for me and

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<v Speaker 2>explaining to me what was her take on things.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing they looked at was the police report

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<v Speaker 1>from the night Ernest Smith was murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>He is shot two times and killed. He is clearly

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<v Speaker 2>shot outside, first stumbles his way inside and collapses on

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<v Speaker 2>the steps where he will subsequently die. There was blood

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<v Speaker 2>spatter by his feet which would go almost to the

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<v Speaker 2>floor at the bottom of the steps and toward the

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<v Speaker 2>front door where he had come in and collapsed on

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<v Speaker 2>the steps.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma told detectives she was upstairs in bed when she

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<v Speaker 1>awoke to the sound of Ernest calling out for help

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<v Speaker 1>in the doorway of their town home.

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<v Speaker 2>Emma Rane tells the detective that she had been upstairs

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping in her bed the whole night because she had

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible toothache and she had taken some over the

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<v Speaker 2>counterpane medication. While in the crime scene photos, the bed

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<v Speaker 2>was perfectly made, so it didn't seem to make any

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<v Speaker 2>sense that she had been in her bed all day.

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<v Speaker 2>We certainly wouldn't have expected her to hurry up and

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<v Speaker 2>quickly make her bed before the police arrived as her

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<v Speaker 2>husband was dead on the steps.

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<v Speaker 1>The report also noted that Emma looked pristine.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't have a drop of blood on her, no

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<v Speaker 2>indication she had hugged him, touched him, nothing as he

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<v Speaker 2>died on the stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that none of what Emma told detectives

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<v Speaker 1>on the night of Ernest Smith's murder fit with the

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<v Speaker 1>physical evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>The blood was completely perfect, there were no footprints, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>was smeared, which indicated that she could not have been

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<v Speaker 2>in her bed upstairs sleeping, because she would have had

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<v Speaker 2>to go around him and step into the blood in

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<v Speaker 2>order to go outside call the police anything of that nature.

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<v Speaker 2>There was just simply no indication that she had been upstairs,

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<v Speaker 2>so that did not add up, and there was more

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<v Speaker 2>Emma rain sat in the police unit for a while

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<v Speaker 2>as they were sort of navigating through the scene, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was during that time that it was learned via

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<v Speaker 2>the phone records that either a phone call or a

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<v Speaker 2>text message of some communication had gone to James Rain

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<v Speaker 2>from the crime scene that night.

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<v Speaker 1>As bad as things look for Emma, it was Alfred Everett,

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<v Speaker 1>the step brother of her second husband, who pulled the trigger.

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<v Speaker 1>After coming clean to some of his relatives, Alfred disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>By the summer of twenty thirteen, the police located him

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred Everett was charged with murder. He was the gunman

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<v Speaker 2>who killed Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>They arrested Alfred, but he wasn't talking, so detectives then

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<v Speaker 1>turned their attention to Emma, who was looking less like

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<v Speaker 1>a grieving widow and more like a conniving killer.

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<v Speaker 2>So we believed that Emma Rain had orchestrated the plan.

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<v Speaker 2>She had through probably James Rain acquired the assistance of

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred Everett. I guess James, who knew him better than anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>knew he would be somebody willing to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>When detectives did a deep dive into her past, they

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<v Speaker 1>learned Emma had another husband before Ernest.

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<v Speaker 2>Emma's first husband, we learned, was a man named Leroy Evans.

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<v Speaker 1>And guess what. Back in nineteen ninety three, something terrible

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Leroy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was tragically hit by a vehicle. We weren't able

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<v Speaker 2>to determine if there was any foul play in the

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<v Speaker 2>actual traffic accident, but he did become a paraplegic.

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<v Speaker 1>After the incident, Leroy was paralyzed from the neck down,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving him bedridden.

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<v Speaker 2>Rather than Emma take care of him, Leroy went to

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<v Speaker 2>stay with his mother so she would care for him

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis. He had a room where he

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<v Speaker 2>would lay in bed for most of the day. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a feeding tube that was necessary for him to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one day, LeRoy's feeding tube was mysteriously removed.

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<v Speaker 2>So the mother of mister Evans told our investigator that

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<v Speaker 2>Emma Rain was the last person in his room before

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<v Speaker 2>his feeding tube had been removed, and he died of

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<v Speaker 2>what the corner determined was asphyxiation. Mister Evans's mother certainly

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<v Speaker 2>suspected fell play of Emma Rain and that she had

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<v Speaker 2>caused his death. That's how she felt, so that was

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<v Speaker 2>very alarming to us.

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<v Speaker 1>But no charges were ever filed. And the strange thing

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<v Speaker 1>is no relatives of Ernest Smith or James Rain knew

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<v Speaker 1>Emma had been married to Lee roy Evans. Lee roy

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<v Speaker 1>Evans died in nineteen ninety four, and according to Ernest's obituary,

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<v Speaker 1>it said Emma married Ernest in nineteen ninety Let me

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<v Speaker 1>read you one sentence from his obituary. He was united

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<v Speaker 1>in holy matrimony to Emma Judge on November seventeenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety Who is the love of his life, his soulmate,

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<v Speaker 1>his bay, as he often calls her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you sort of have to say, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, investigators saw this string of dead husbands with hefty

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<v Speaker 1>insurance policies and labeled Emma the black widow.

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<v Speaker 2>The money was the most important, and she wanted that

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<v Speaker 2>money more than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Detectives didn't think Emma could be any more cold blooded

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<v Speaker 1>than that, but what they learn next proved them all wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Over nearly two decades, Emma Rain lost three husbands and

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence against her was piling up.

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<v Speaker 2>If she was willing to kill her own husband in

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<v Speaker 2>exchange for a check, she was willing to do anything

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<v Speaker 2>and that's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor Laura Rodrick learned that in the months before her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>Ernest Smith died, Emma made her boyfriend and eventual husband,

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<v Speaker 1>James Rain, a beneficiary for half of Ernest's eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars life insurance policy.

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<v Speaker 2>What Emma Rain did not realize was Louisiana law would

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<v Speaker 2>prohibit James Rain from coming in to collect his four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand because Ernest Smith had a biological daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ernest's daughter never received that insurance money.

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<v Speaker 2>Emma Raine's biological daughter goes into an office and forges

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Ernest Smith's biological daughter. So essentially all

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<v Speaker 2>of the eight hundred thousand dollars is awarded to Emma

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<v Speaker 2>Rain through fraudulent activity.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only did Emma have Ernest Smith killed, but

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<v Speaker 1>she also cheated his daughter, his only child, out of

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<v Speaker 1>money from his life insurance policy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was alarming to us to see the lack of

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<v Speaker 2>concern that Emma had for her daughter, that she would

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<v Speaker 2>put her daughter in that position, that she had no

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<v Speaker 2>problem with her daughter getting a felony conviction for doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many terrible things Emma was accused of doing,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe one of the most galling happened on the

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<v Speaker 1>day of James Rayne's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>James Rain is in his home at the time that

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<v Speaker 2>he's murdered. Emma Rain tells the police that she's on

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<v Speaker 2>a business trip trying to make a deal work, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's not at home. It was actually not much business

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<v Speaker 2>going on at all. She was involved in a physical

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with the man she was with in Arkansas at

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<v Speaker 2>the time James is killed. In fact, the authorities get

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<v Speaker 2>a statement from him where he says she gets the

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<v Speaker 2>phone call, she learns that James is dead. We popped

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<v Speaker 2>some champagne and had sex to celebrate. She calls it

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<v Speaker 2>completing a business deal. The man she was with advises

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<v Speaker 2>as they actually were drinking and having sex to celebrate

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<v Speaker 2>the death of James Rain.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now that is so beyond cold blooded, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>actually more to the story, if you remember, Emma later

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<v Speaker 1>called James's mother and had her check on James, even

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<v Speaker 1>though Emma knew James was dead. Imagine knowing you were

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<v Speaker 1>setting up a mother to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, it seems as if she was intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>louring James's mother over to find him dead. In the home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she had no sympathy. She just was really cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Cold to allow his mother to find him in that way,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be something they felt was sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>final twisting of the knife. It was intentionally cruel and

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<v Speaker 2>it just showed her character.

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<v Speaker 1>Late in the summer of twenty thirteen, detectives charged Emma

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<v Speaker 1>with the death of her second husband, Ernest Smith. And

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<v Speaker 1>guess what. At the time of her arrest, she was

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<v Speaker 1>no longer Emma Rain. She had already moved on to

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<v Speaker 1>husband number four.

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<v Speaker 2>Emma and her fourth husband were living in Kansas City,

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<v Speaker 2>Missouri at the time that she was arrested for the murders.

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<v Speaker 1>And when detectives told Emma she was being charged with

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of her husband, Emma asked which husband. As

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<v Speaker 1>Emma waited her trial, her hired gun Alfred Everett, was

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<v Speaker 1>tried in twenty fourteen. He was charged with killing Emma's

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<v Speaker 1>second husband, Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred Everett was charged with murder and he was convicted

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<v Speaker 2>of murder. The penalty will be life in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury needed less than an hour to convict him,

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<v Speaker 1>and with that, prosecutors turn their attention to Emma Rain's

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming trial.

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<v Speaker 2>As a prosecutor, we don't have the opportunity to speak

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<v Speaker 2>one on one with the defendants who are charged with crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Rarely do we ever get to actually speak to them

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<v Speaker 2>or ask them any questions or anything of that nature.

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<v Speaker 2>The most that we can do to glimpse sort of

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<v Speaker 2>their personality or what's going on is to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>recorded phone calls during their incarceration.

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<v Speaker 1>So what kind of things did the prosecutor learn about

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<v Speaker 1>Emma from listening to her phone calls from jail.

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<v Speaker 2>She would make demands of the jail. She wanted low

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<v Speaker 2>fat chocolate chip cookies, certain things that you know, she

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like she was entitled to, and she encouraged

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<v Speaker 2>the young female inmates to sort of take on those

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<v Speaker 2>causes with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors may have heard Emma demanding lofact cookies, but there

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<v Speaker 1>was one thing they wanted to hear but did not.

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<v Speaker 2>She never gave me the impression of any remorse at

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<v Speaker 2>all for any of the family members who were going

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<v Speaker 2>through this. She never so much has even cared to

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<v Speaker 2>see the pain that the families were going through in

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with the process of their loved ones being murdered

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to get to the bottom of the crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and trying to piece these puzzles together. It just did

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<v Speaker 2>not matter at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is an odd thing. As her trial day

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<v Speaker 1>got closer, prosecutors were having a hard time getting anyone

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<v Speaker 1>to testify against her. I think that people were nervous

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<v Speaker 1>to come forward in the case against Emma because they

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<v Speaker 1>they were worried about what more she could accomplish if

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to. Then, in more bad news, a ruling

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<v Speaker 1>came from the judge that prohibited prosecutors from calling Emma

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<v Speaker 1>Rain a suspect in the death of her husband number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Leeroy Evans. They were also limited in what they could

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<v Speaker 1>say about the death of husband three, James Rain.

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<v Speaker 2>It got extremely complicated. So this was a different case

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how we had to present it.

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<v Speaker 1>So prosecutors offered Emma a deal. If she pled guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to manslaughter, she'd get thirty five years, but Emma turned

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<v Speaker 1>down the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>She was constantly kind of wheeling and dealing.

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<v Speaker 1>When the trial began, Emma Rain was fifty two years

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<v Speaker 1>old and face life in prison for the second degree

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Ernest Smith. Her defense lawyer blamed Emma's third husband,

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<v Speaker 1>James Rain, who was dead and obviously couldn't defend himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma's lawyer referred to James Rain as James the Snake

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<v Speaker 1>and claimed it was James who manipulated Emma into upping

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<v Speaker 1>Ernest Rain's insurance policy. Most importantly, the lawyer argued that

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<v Speaker 1>James alone got Alfred Everett to kill Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Alfred Everett he was sort of the last man standing

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<v Speaker 2>who could testify against her.

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<v Speaker 1>Alfred had already been convicted and sentenced to life, but

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<v Speaker 1>he could set the record straight. Alfred was called as

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<v Speaker 1>a witness, but he refused to take the witness stand

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<v Speaker 1>or answer any questions from prosecutors. Instead, he defiantly sat

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<v Speaker 1>in the courtroom while the puzzled jurors looked on.

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<v Speaker 2>You could kind of get a read on some of

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<v Speaker 2>their faces, like not knowing what to make of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So prosecutors went to Plan B and called three of

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<v Speaker 1>James's relatives to testify.

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<v Speaker 2>Those were the three people who had sort of broken

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<v Speaker 2>this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Each one of those relatives described Alfred's confession.

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<v Speaker 2>That James Rain and Emma Rain were in on it,

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a life insurance policy and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>he shot Ernest Smith. He describes having shot him twice,

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that is consistent with the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>But as she sat through the damning testimony from the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution side, Emma was quiet, just jotting down notes on

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<v Speaker 1>a notepad, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Zero emotion through the trial, no sign that any of

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<v Speaker 2>this had affected her in any way.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma Rain did not take the stand in her own defense.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the defense did not call a single witness.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day. We did not believe

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<v Speaker 2>that she had genuine love for any of these men.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a business deal in her mind, but she

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<v Speaker 2>was very good at disguising that this was somebody killing

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<v Speaker 2>husbands to make a living.

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<v Speaker 1>It was up to the eight women and four men

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<v Speaker 1>of the jury to decide if Emma Rain was indeed

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<v Speaker 1>a black widow. Emma Rain was a suspect in the

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<v Speaker 1>death of her first and third husbands, but she was

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<v Speaker 1>only charged with murdering her second husband, preacher Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>The prosecution was telling about this woman who seemed to

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<v Speaker 3>either be bad luck or worse for the men she married.

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<v Speaker 1>Journalist John Simmerman covered the trial, where prosecutors labeled the

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<v Speaker 1>three time widower and Moraine a black widow.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that was a term that the prosecution used, black widow,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a term for a woman who marries somebody

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<v Speaker 3>and kills them and maybe does it repeatedly, So she

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<v Speaker 3>kind of fit that definition.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of Emma Raine's trial, she was married

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<v Speaker 1>a fourth time, but husband number four did not attend

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<v Speaker 1>Emma's trial. He told reporters the New Orleans judicial system

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<v Speaker 1>was corrupt and said he had paid for her legal

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<v Speaker 1>bills from back home and Missouri, and those bills, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>had nearly bankrupt him. In the courtroom, Emma's lawyer blamed

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<v Speaker 1>husband number three, James Rain, for the murder for higher

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<v Speaker 1>pot of husband number two, Ernest Smith.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically said that Emma Rain didn't know about this.

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<v Speaker 3>This was all James's plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, James Rain was also murdered and he

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<v Speaker 1>obviously could not defend himself.

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<v Speaker 3>What Emma Raine's attorney tried to do was say, look,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no physical evidence. There were no text messages and

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<v Speaker 3>emails back and forth with James Rain on any murder plot.

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<v Speaker 1>But prosecutor Laura Rodrig hoped jurors could connect.

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<v Speaker 2>All the dots. This is a case that did not

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of direct evidence. There were no eyewitnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>We were using what we call circumstantial evidence. We knew

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<v Speaker 2>that this jury was going to be shot once they

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<v Speaker 2>realized the intricacies of this case, and we could see

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<v Speaker 2>that in their faces as the facts started to unfold.

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<v Speaker 1>So she resorted to using charts and graphs to show

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship between all the major players in the case.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things we had to show the jury

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of a simplified family tree. We had to

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<v Speaker 2>put that up on a large board in front of them,

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<v Speaker 2>where we had diagrammed Alfred Everett, James Rain, how they

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<v Speaker 2>all fit in as a family, and where Ernest Smith

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<v Speaker 2>and Emmeraine came into that family tree. And we similarly

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<v Speaker 2>had to do sort of a flow chart for the

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<v Speaker 2>insurance policies, showing them the increase in the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>the policy over the years leading up to Ernest's death,

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<v Speaker 2>the forging of the signatures to get the policy all

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<v Speaker 2>released to Ammeraine, and several sort of steps in laying

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<v Speaker 2>out that story for the jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Liberated for three and a half hours before returning to

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom with a verdict.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Emma her typical self in terms of being

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<v Speaker 2>very calm, you know, she didn't seem rattled, she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem worried about what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma stared straight ahead when the verdict echoed through the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Guilty Emma Rain, who was convicted of murder. The penalty

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<v Speaker 2>will be life in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>And coincidentally, Emma Rain's sentencing for the murder of preacher

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<v Speaker 1>Ernest Smith happened on the five year anniversary of husband

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<v Speaker 1>James Rain's death.

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<v Speaker 2>This was somebody who had no regard for human life

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<v Speaker 2>at all and would intentionally lure them in solely to

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<v Speaker 2>use them as sort of a lottery ticket, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was an automatic win. We don't see somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who is that sort of cold to the core very often.

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<v Speaker 2>If using the widow card, essentially it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>help her get what she wanted. She had no problem

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<v Speaker 2>doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma's fourth husband disagreed. He was livid and told the

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<v Speaker 1>Associated Press, I think the whole thing was fabricated. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a setup and it wasn't right. She didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>anyone killed, and she didn't kill anyone. And even after

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<v Speaker 1>being convicted of murder, Emma's legal problems were far from over.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma didn't just cheat on her husband's she also cheated

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<v Speaker 1>on her taxes. The government charged her with federal bankruptcy

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<v Speaker 1>and tax fraud. She pled guilty to one of those

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<v Speaker 1>counts and received a two year sentence that ran concurrently

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<v Speaker 1>with her life sentence. She also had to pay restitution

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<v Speaker 1>of over ninety four thousand dollars. Want to guess how

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<v Speaker 1>she paid that? Tab Journalist John Simmerman reported on the story.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the interesting things about this case is because

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<v Speaker 3>she ended up getting the insurance money in James Raine's killing.

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<v Speaker 1>So Emma used the payout of life insurance from husband

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<v Speaker 1>number three, James Rain, to pay back the IRS.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge saw no reason not to give it to

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<v Speaker 3>her because no evidence was presented to suggest that Emma

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<v Speaker 3>Rain was involved in James rain Is killing.

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<v Speaker 1>In his ruling, the judge wrote that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>nothing more than speculation that Emma killed James Rain and

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<v Speaker 1>awarded her just over two hundred and forty eight thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety thousand of it I believe went from that settlement

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<v Speaker 3>to pay her past tax debs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's another example of the unexplainable hold Emma seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>have over men. Lost in this story of three dead

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<v Speaker 1>husbands is that the twenty eleven murder of Emma's third husband,

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<v Speaker 1>James Rain, remains unsolved, although it sits outside her jurisdic,

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans Prosecutor Laura Rodrig continues to watch it from

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<v Speaker 1>a distance.

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<v Speaker 2>So that investigation essentially is still ongoing.

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<v Speaker 1>Emma has an alibi, and the police don't believe she

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<v Speaker 1>directly was the killer.

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<v Speaker 2>She was out of the state. There's a witness who

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<v Speaker 2>indicates she was with him, so we don't believe she

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<v Speaker 2>pulled the trigger. So that means there's somebody out there

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember how em n James Rain's house had

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<v Speaker 1>a big, fancy security system and how it wasn't working

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<v Speaker 1>on the night that James was murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>The detectives learned that the last person seen in the

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<v Speaker 2>footage was Emma Raine until the footage all goes off,

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<v Speaker 2>so they see her approach the box or the main

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<v Speaker 2>area where you control the surveillance equipment, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>equipment is sort of shut off. Essentially, it was turned off,

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<v Speaker 2>they believe by Emma Rain.

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<v Speaker 1>As of twenty twenty five, no one has been charged

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenty eleven murder of James Rain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to wonder why James thought he would be

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<v Speaker 2>different from the rest, because it was very clear that

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<v Speaker 2>Emma Rain was not capable of loving another human anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>or even to the same extent that she loved herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people who came across her were shocked to ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>find out that this was happening. They were shocked to

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<v Speaker 2>find out that this person they had trusted could have

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<v Speaker 2>been capable of something like this.

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<v Speaker 1>The person who seemed to be the most shocked and

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed by Emma was Apostle Jackson, preacher Ernest Smith's mentor

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<v Speaker 1>and father figure.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you just take someone like how people just

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<v Speaker 4>take some out of life. I'm telling you, supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>love this man, He's supposed to be in your heart.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Back in two thousand and six, when Emma and Ernest's

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<v Speaker 1>marriage was strained, Apostle gave Ernest marital advice that continues

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<v Speaker 1>to haunt him today.

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<v Speaker 4>I convinced him that he needed to give his marriage

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<v Speaker 4>another chance and need to forget him forgive and I

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<v Speaker 4>live on that every day. So I'm still walking in guilt.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been since two thousand and six. I'm still walking

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<v Speaker 4>in guilt. If I had not told him that the

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<v Speaker 4>Word of God said that he had to forgive and

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<v Speaker 4>he had to be with his wife, he probably would

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<v Speaker 4>be alive today. That's a burden to carry, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, if Apostle had a do over, he would

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<v Speaker 1>have told Ernest to leave Emma.

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<v Speaker 4>She lost something that was awesome. She destroyed it. She

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<v Speaker 4>could have had a great life. But look at her

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<v Speaker 4>life now. She's in prison. She needs to stay there

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<v Speaker 4>every day and not ever ever get out. But I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Forgive Apostle forgave Emma. He was a preacher, That's just

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<v Speaker 1>how he was. But Apostle might also want to consider

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<v Speaker 1>apologizing to his wife, Carolyn. On that feedful night in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, when Emma called Apostle to say

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<v Speaker 1>that Ernest was dead, he hung up the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>shared the news with Carolyn.

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<v Speaker 4>Then my wife, He just said, just like this, she

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<v Speaker 4>killed him.

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<v Speaker 3>She killed him.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are my words to my husband.

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<v Speaker 1>That morning, Carolyn said she always had a bad feeling

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<v Speaker 1>about Emma that she just couldn't shake.

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<v Speaker 5>Those are not thoughts that you think about. Those are

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<v Speaker 5>not things that you can even imagine within yourself. You

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<v Speaker 5>don't even think like that. You know, then boom is

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<v Speaker 5>in your face. This is only something you hear about

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<v Speaker 5>on the TV show. You know, like, you never think

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<v Speaker 5>this was something that would happen in real life, especially

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<v Speaker 5>to someone that you know personally. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>what Emma was thinking that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Carolyn had her suspicions all along, but Apostle couldn't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>Emma being a murderer.

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<v Speaker 4>You just couldn't convince me that this nice woman could

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<v Speaker 4>have a husband killed. Just couldn't convince me of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not accept that. I did not want to

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<v Speaker 4>believe that, and it took me a long time to

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<v Speaker 4>believe that, even though she was my wife. It still

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<v Speaker 4>took me a long time to even think that someone

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<v Speaker 4>could take someone like It really made me be aware

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<v Speaker 4>that peoples that you trust could actually be wicked, even

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<v Speaker 4>when they don't look it.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on American Homicide, when four women are murdered

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<v Speaker 1>and they're Louisiana homes, the investigation turns into a power

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<v Speaker 1>struggle that allowed one of the state's most prolific serial

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<v Speaker 1>killers to roam free. We'll head to Baton Rouge for

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<v Speaker 1>the case of the serial killer of South Louisiana. That's

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