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Speaker 1: back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. We hope this message finds

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Speaker 1: you well. We hope this message finds you comfortable, especially

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Speaker 1: in your undergarments. I'm Ben. That's our super producer Max Williams,

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Speaker 1: who I just met today. Right, It's true, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and speaking of being comfortable, we're all comfortable cozied up

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Speaker 1: in a in a studio, in person, in person, three

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Speaker 1: of us. And you know I'm no by the way,

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Speaker 1: you're no old yeah. And and in a way we're

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Speaker 1: accompanying not just with you, fellow Ridiculous Historians, but with

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Speaker 1: our pals Josh and Chuck, because we have poached their studio.

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Speaker 1: It is festooned with fan art from the one and

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Speaker 1: Only Coop Aaron Cooper. I know the guy, know him well.

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Speaker 1: He's a He's a good dude and a master of

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Speaker 1: photo shopery is indeed he is. Indeed we uh, you know.

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Speaker 1: Student listeners may wonder why we said, well, hope, I

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Speaker 1: hope you're comfortable, especially in your undergarden. You're like, whoa, hey,

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Speaker 1: why are you getting all up in my in my

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Speaker 1: little Australia. Yeah, this is it's weird because you know,

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Speaker 1: of fun. Uh. We we decided to lean into this one.

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Speaker 1: Did we know? We have been hanging out with the

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Speaker 1: people at Fruit of the Loom, lovely people, lovely people,

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Speaker 1: lovely people, and they asked us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: It turns out that the history of undergarments goes back

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Speaker 1: far back man. And also it's a the history of

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Speaker 1: undergarments is kind of also a history of fashion, history

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Speaker 1: of sexual liberation, history of sanitation. Max Williams plays a

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Speaker 1: huge role in this. I had no idea Max, how

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Speaker 1: how instrumental you were. And it's different throwing you under

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Speaker 1: gonna make Hey, what if we make some Max facts

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Speaker 1: right now? More times? And I'll show up right Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mainly it's could be sort of a linear history of underwear,

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Speaker 1: This is It was rampant, Yes, it was. It was,

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Speaker 1: there were other people because the cod piece wasn't covered

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00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: by outer layers, right, so there are other people who

423
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: are stuffing it. Whether that's because they've contracted syphilis, or

424
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: whether that's because they won't make more of a visual impression.

425
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: That probably goes case by case, but that was happening.

426
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: And uh, there's some paintings you can look at it

427
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: from this era. They're like shaped like a like a

428
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: like a like a dog. Yeah, like like outwardly it's

429
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: it's like an outward yeah. That thing. Um, it's weird.

430
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: Thank god that that fell out of fashion. So strange.

431
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we certainly have instances of like

432
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: rock stars stuffing pants with socks and and like, you know,

433
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: I think there was in spinal Tap where I believe

434
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: David st. Hubbins is going through security and it keeps

435
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: no I know it is. It's it's Derek Small the

436
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: basis he's going through security and he keeps setting off

437
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: the metal detector and he pulls out a cucumber wrapped

438
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: in tinfoil out of his pants and shamefully turns it

439
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: over to the airport security. And other other dudes and

440
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: other parts of the world had the similar idea, like

441
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: there's a thing called the Koteka, which is yeah, it's

442
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: uh their communities in New Guinea that where these Because

443
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: we're in person, it looks like it's like a gord

444
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: I would say, it's definitely made of a gourd and

445
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: it's uh something that with a with a waist band

446
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: that you would attach to your your your waist and

447
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: you know it's a giant, thick picture, a giant cord

448
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: that's painted you know, ornately that you're wearing on the

449
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: outside of your clothes in your area. Yeah. Yeah, it

450
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: is made from a dried out gourd. But we're we're

451
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: saying the cod piece idea is a is a revelation

452
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: that multiple men have thought of parallel thinking, Man, how

453
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: do I get people to notice my junk more notice junk? Yeah,

454
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: so this thank goodness that this didn't you know, carry on, right,

455
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: But we do have to talk about something else, especially

456
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: in not in the all of the world, but especially

457
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: in the late Middle Ages and in London. Things were filthy.

458
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was gross. There's a whole episode

459
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: of ridiculous history on the Great Stink of London call

460
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: and that Great Stink in question was the Thames, Uh,

461
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: and just the streets because they didn't have indoor plumbing.

462
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: It was just like you know, privs, these like open

463
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: pots and they would just get dumped out into the street,

464
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, like a spittoon. But it was instead of

465
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, being full of gross like tobacco spit, it's

466
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: full of like poop and urine and it's just literally

467
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: the streets are flowing with excrement and the Thames is

468
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: absolutely just you know, festering with rut toxic runoff from

469
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: leather man because you know, all the chemicals used to

470
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: cure leather um and animal waste and animal carcasses and

471
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: parts and guts coming out of butcher shops. I mean,

472
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: it was bad and it smelled. And to make it worse,

473
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: people didn't wash. It wasn't as easy to wash, you know,

474
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: like unless you live next to clean water source or

475
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: unless you are I don't know. It just wasn't normalized.

476
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: But at the same time, people like when when we

477
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: say the streets were filthy, that you know, as Asneal said,

478
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: there's no sewage. There's the sewer is the middle of

479
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: the street. And the buildings are also often built such

480
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: that the second floor protrudes over the first floor, so

481
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: it also restricts airflow. And this leads to Uh, the

482
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: reason this is such a perfect storm is because at

483
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: the time people believe that you could the current medical

484
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: theory was that you could get disease through something called miasma,

485
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: that's smelling something that it was going into you. Not

486
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: to mention, you know, accurately, I would argue they believed

487
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: you could get these diseases through your skin and also

488
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: through bodily orifices, openings, you know, natural openings in the body. Um.

489
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: Depending on what disease we're talking about, what kind of contact,

490
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: that can be true and it can be not true. Right. Um.

491
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: But they washed infrequently, and so the closest thing they

492
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: had infrequently means frequently does they didn't watch that much

493
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: and uh, they got around this, or at least the

494
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: closest thing they had to personal hygiene was washing their garments,

495
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: their under undergarments as much as possible. Um. But even that,

496
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: again because of the availability of clean water. That's why

497
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: they were using urine. By the way, part partially, um,

498
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: it was it was hard to do that as well,

499
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: especially for the underclass. I always think of the scene

500
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: in Monty Python the Holy Grail where somebody says something

501
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: the effect of, oh, he must be a king because

502
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: he's not covered in Yeah, right, that's that's pretty good line.

503
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: And look, we're we're not saying people were um purposefully,

504
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, incredibly dirty or filthy. We're saying it was

505
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: harder to stay clean. And now we enter in a

506
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: time where this is weird. Things become a little bit

507
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: more modest. People are putting away their pretend phalluses, and

508
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: men in Europe are starting to wear these long cotton

509
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: linen or if your fancy silk draws, I'm gonna say

510
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: draws for the rest of the episode. And in the

511
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: most common the thing that was sort of like the

512
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: Honda Civic of underwear at this time was a knee

513
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: length garment with a button flap at the front. This

514
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: was the ancestor of something that was called, I don't

515
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: know why I love this name, the union suit or

516
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: a union suit. That's the thing you picture like an

517
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: old prospector wearing with the butt flap, right, And for

518
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: some reason it's read usually and yeah, and maybe they

519
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: watched it in the clown pants. And this later evolved

520
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: into what we recognize as Long John's. Have you guys

521
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: ever had a pair of Long John's or do you

522
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: ever wear thermal under Let's trying to call him thermal underwear. Now, No,

523
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I haven't really lived in cold enough area to really

524
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: warrant it, but I know they can be comfy. Max, Yes, yes,

525
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: so Alex and I are actually from Detroit originally, so yeah,

526
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: from birth we had Long John's and then we moved

527
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: on here and we're like, why do we still happy?

528
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: It is like nine degrees every day more realistically like

529
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: ninety five degrees and horribly human gets cold here though

530
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: in the winter, and certainly, if let's say you don't

531
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: have central heat, for example, Long John's air thermal underwear

532
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: would certainly be a you know, pretty affordable fix. I

533
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: wear him every winter. I hope to tell you guys,

534
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: because it's a weird thing to say in conversation. How

535
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: would come up? You know, how needed to bring it

536
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere? Well, you know, for hanging out.

537
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: We're sitting at Patty over our favorite wings spot or something,

538
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: and someone's has come up once maybe know you guys,

539
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: but someone's like, oh, it's cool, we should go in

540
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: and it was like, I'm fine and picked the weirdest,

541
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: dumbest flex I did that winter. I was like, because

542
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: I always wear thermal underwear when it's cold, It's like,

543
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: would you like to see it? I pulled up my

544
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: shirt while everyone was saying no, Can I say that?

545
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: You made a really good point that things took a

546
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: turn towards the more modest, and I think that's largely

547
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: for men. For women, that did start to see the

548
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: push up of the of the plunging neckline and also

549
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: more kind of ancient Greek and art inspired drapings and like,

550
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you look at the way art evolved,

551
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: I believe it was Neo Classicism where it showed a

552
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: lot more of these garments with you know, where you

553
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: could literally see nipples, you know, it was it was

554
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: very sheer and things like that. So that was something

555
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: that we would start to see. But with men they

556
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: did start to cover up more. Also, the shifts we

557
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: talked about, I became a weird flex in and of itself,

558
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Like in the Victorian Age, you think of those like

559
00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: crazy like Delafosaurus from Jurassic Park, like neck fringes or whatever,

560
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: the roughs they called them. That was just the part

561
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: of the shift that you could see, Yes, yes, because

562
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: it would and then you know, they would get more

563
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: and more elaborate, because these richies just wanted to like

564
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: one up each other and flex harder with these bizarro

565
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, like halo looking things exactly. And at the

566
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: same time that these different things are occurring and that

567
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing a little bit of divergence, we're also seeing

568
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: the end of an era. Because up to about the

569
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: nineteenth century in Europe and North America, underwear was thought

570
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: to have two main functions for the average person. First,

571
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't really meant to protect you as much as

572
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: it was meant to protect your outer clothes from you

573
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: because people didn't bathe and they didn't want to get

574
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: their nice outside clothes dirties. So they're put on their there,

575
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, like this airlock for filth and because yeah,

576
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: and and and then you know, bathing was very much luxury,

577
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: and so in these colder climbs, especially like you know,

578
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: modern day Detroit, this added an important extra layer of insulation. Noll,

579
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: is it time to shout out before we go to

580
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: the next phase? Is it time we should probably mention

581
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: fruit of the loom uh started around this time, right

582
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: nineteenth century. Yeah, it was around midway through the nineteenth century.

583
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty one, the Fruit of the Loom Company

584
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: was founded, but they didn't trademark their brand. Their ubiquitous

585
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: brands and that I always think of that, uh, the

586
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: image associated with fruit dressed up like the fruit. I

587
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: always wanted one of those costumes, you know what I mean.

588
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: I like mascots. I like stuff with mascots, and I

589
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: also think it's interesting too. Not to get too far ahead,

590
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: this is way far ahead, but we talked about underwear

591
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: as being like something you hide. But I always thought

592
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: it was awesome when you were kids. You know, you

593
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: get those fruit the looms that have like cartoon characters

594
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: and stuff printed on. Who is that for? I guess

595
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: it's just for us. You know, you're not They don't

596
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: really expect you to be parading around in your and

597
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: your skivvies. But at the same time, I'm certainly a

598
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: good selling point for for us kids. Um, but you're right.

599
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty six they did trademark that that brand,

600
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and now zoom zips au and the magic of podcasting

601
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: and time travel through history, we are in the industrial era. Yes,

602
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: the Industrial era, the Industrial Revolution, and your took us

603
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: odds are the undergarments that you're rocking today as you

604
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: listen to this, if you are indeed wearing undergarments, came

605
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: do you? Courtesy the Industrial Revolution? After after this period, right,

606
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: we see this massive expansion of commercial and manufacturing scale,

607
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: and we see the ability to make instead of laboriously

608
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: doing things in a very slow manner, now we can

609
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: make hundreds, thousands, millions of undergarments. And cotton especially helped

610
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: democratize these fabrics. So the that's because of the cotton

611
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: gin that allows you to process that cotton, uh much

612
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: more efficiently. And then you had things like the spinning Jenny,

613
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: which was like you know, basically an industrial loom, if

614
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Yeah, exactly. Because they had these technological breakthroughs,

615
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: it became less expensive to create quality clothing. Right. And

616
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: then I don't know if you were expecting this to

617
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: show up in the show, folks, but then the invention

618
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: of the bicycle inspires a revolution and underwear which is

619
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: the jockstrap. It's called a jock strap because they called

620
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: people who are on bicycles jockeys. Yeah, were they, like,

621
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean, they had to have been doing this for

622
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, business purposes, right, Were they like delivering things

623
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: on bicycles or was it just like people writing as

624
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: a mode of transportation. So there was enough demand for

625
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: it that they were getting their junk rattled. You know,

626
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: I have a bike and I don't have a jock strap,

627
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: don't require one, but I have a memory, you know,

628
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: gel kind of seat topper, not to protect my little asse. Yeah,

629
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't have that, so you're you're right.

630
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: It must have been a problem in the you know,

631
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: the jockstrap is still around today because it works. And

632
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: this is interesting because with the industrial era also comes

633
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: the rise of capitalism, and one aspect of capitalism is

634
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: to generate as many markets as possible. Right, Why sell

635
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: one kind of thing when you could sell the same

636
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: thing four ways to four different groups. And that's why

637
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: I would argue that's why we see this specialization in

638
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: underwear at least as a selling point. Absolutely, the differentiation

639
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: between underwear for men underwear for women, um which again

640
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: created these two markets. So what do you do when

641
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: you specialize? You start to get real specific and you

642
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: start to sell people the idea of beauty or the

643
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: idea of fashion. Right. Um, so that's when you start

644
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: seeing things like lingerie. And that represented a really really

645
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: great article by the way, on Love to Know Fashion

646
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: dash History dot Love to Know dot Com about the

647
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: history of lingerie by Caroline Cox, and she points out

648
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: very astutely that the popularizing of lingerie kind of happened

649
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: hand in hand with women becoming freed from some of

650
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: those constraints that we talked about in terms of morality,

651
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: notions of sexuality. They should, you know, kind of be

652
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: more restrained, right, And this kind of became part of

653
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: what led to like the sexual liberation and the idea

654
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: of femininity and identity and sexual identity, or in parallel

655
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: with the kind of emerging of sexual identity among women

656
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: and femininity and the idea of you know, kind of

657
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: tossing off some of those Victorian morals that were sort

658
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: of kind of foisted upon them. But it was early

659
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: nine hundreds and there was still kind of we weren't

660
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: fully into the sexual revolution yet, but this was definitely

661
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: laying the groundwork. And lingerie was considered something that was

662
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: only for married couples if you wore it and you

663
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: were not a married woman, then that would be considered

664
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: low or promiscuous, or in some way lacking in in

665
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: virtue and decorum. This really great quote from a fashion

666
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: journalist from nineteen o two. Um that again is is

667
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: cited in this fashion history dot Love to Know dot

668
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: com article and it goes like this lovely lingerie does

669
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: not belong only to the fast. Dainty undergarments are not

670
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: necessarily a sign of depravity. The most virtuous of us

671
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: are now allowed to possess pretty undergarments without being looked

672
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: upon as suspicious characters. Here here caveats, but handing in

673
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: the right direction. Yeah, agreed. And you know this is

674
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: like this idea of to the morality jail with you

675
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: based on your dress is it's it's dumb. It's an

676
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: attempt to control people. And unfortunately it's not the only

677
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: example of its kind. We know it occurs in other

678
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: other countries, other cultures. Throughout history, people have been attempting

679
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: to control each other through their dress. But this is

680
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: why we have to examine all of these things at once.

681
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: If we go, if we check in to see what's

682
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: going on with pants and uh pants in the U

683
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: S sense, with trousers. Then we see that, oh, one

684
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: of my favorite fun facts. Long John's named after a

685
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: real guy. His name is John L. Sullivan. He's a

686
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: boxer in the eighteen hundreds and he one of his

687
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: flexes was he would show up in the ring in

688
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: his long John's to box people. And then we also

689
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: know the origin of the word pants. Using pants like

690
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: this might be hilarious for some of our British listeners,

691
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: but it comes from an Italian comedy called Pantalone. The

692
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: character in this play where's these garments that come down

693
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: to his ankles at a time when most folks were

694
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: rocking stuff that came down to their knees. And then

695
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: in the eighteenth century in England these were called pantaloons.

696
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: By the nineteenth century we started shortening that word pants,

697
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: and then in Britain, at least going to local histories

698
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: dot Org, pants came to mean just any kind of

699
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: long draws. I'm still gonna stick with draws that covered

700
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: your the entirety of your leg and the things that

701
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: you wore over those long draws, those long John's would

702
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: become known as trousers. So there it is also if

703
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: you go back to magic of time travel. If you

704
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: go to the nineteen twenties, you'll see pants as a

705
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: pants design. Pants Aesthetics again got an idea from boxing.

706
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Of all places, a guy named Jacob Golam developed a

707
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: featherweight version of fighting shorts, and then in the nineties,

708
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: it's primary villain appeared facts. Can we get some traumatic music?

709
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: That's right? Is that? Okay? All right? You know what? Yeah,

710
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm budget conscious, I got you, so. Yes. The briefs,

711
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: this is a question that you hear. If you're you've

712
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: probably heard this pretty often. If you're male identified, people

713
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: will ask you boxers or briefs. They'll still ask you

714
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: that today. It's almost cliche, right, yeah, It's sort of

715
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: like a a sort of flirtatious thing someone might ask

716
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: you perhaps maybe right, yeah, yeah, exactly, a little bit forward,

717
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: a little cheeky, like you know, depending on how well

718
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: you know you're close male friends. I'm sure at some

719
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: point everybody's had that talk. It's kind of like a

720
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: high school, middle school talk where you're like, oh, yeah,

721
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: any where, Tidy Whitey's boxer guy. And there's an interesting

722
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: thing that happened with a public image of Tidy Whitey's

723
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: But first well, I think we need to talk a

724
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: little bit about how this Boxer's versus Briefs rivalry came

725
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: to be. This it was nineteen five, Okay, cast your

726
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: memory back there. Jockey Briefs go on sale in Chicago.

727
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: They're designed by a guy named Arthur Niebler who calls

728
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: himself an apparel engineer. These first under it's so hard

729
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: because we're we're in the same room together, so I

730
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: keep going to like stand up and demonstrate stuff, but don't.

731
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: We're a family show. So this These were the first

732
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: underpants that didn't have any legs unlike a lot of

733
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: those other other designs, and they had their flap was

734
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: this y shaped opening. And this was so revolutionary for

735
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: the little Australia business that it's been compared with the

736
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: invention of the brawl. I can see that, Ben. Have

737
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: you seen the show Trailer Park Boys. Randy was one

738
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: of my favorite characters, the guy who's never wearing a shirt.

739
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Whenever he wants to fight, he always takes his pants

740
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: off because it gives him more freedom of movement to

741
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: kind of like gyrate around. And that's what briefs did, right.

742
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: They gave you more freedom of movement. Because you're not

743
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: restricted because they just come right up to the joints

744
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: of your legs as opposed to like coming down further.

745
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: I personally, I'm gonna put it out there. Box brief guy,

746
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: Box a brief guy. I like the tight fit, but

747
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: I also like a little on the leg I see yeah, yeah,

748
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: you know. I guess we're putting all our all our

749
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: draws on the table. I tend to go box or

750
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: briefs myself. This this one, though, the jockey briefs that

751
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: are sometimes called tidy Whitey's, they sold like hot cakes,

752
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: like hot cakes for your butt. The thirty thousand were sold,

753
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: and then they couple of months, in just a couple

754
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: of months, yeah, exactly, in three months. And then they

755
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: they started leveraging marketing in a brilliant way. They had

756
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: a plane that would make special deliveries of what they

757
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: called masculine support briefs to businesses across the state, and

758
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: they called the plane the mascu line. You have to

759
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: have the pause, you do. What does that print like, ben,

760
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: Is it like separated by a hyphen or something? What's

761
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: the branding? I think they do have a hyphen. They

762
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: do have a little dash because they're they're really proud

763
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: of that name. I get it, um, And they promised

764
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: to deliver masculine support. Again. Part of why it was

765
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: such a revolutionary development because you know, gave you support,

766
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: male support, and that's why you connected it with the

767
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: bra I believe. Yeah. Yeah. And so the battle for

768
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: supremacy over what dudes would wear down South continued the

769
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: rest of the twentieth century, and then it started to

770
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: get weird because people were making these health claims and

771
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: these are health claims that I am sure you Max

772
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: and I all her growing up, or people say, hey,

773
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: well if you and we're endeavoring to be honest. Your

774
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: folks talking about the angle of the dangle. The angle

775
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: of the dangle is a big, big one, you know

776
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: in the idea? What explained that one? It was just like,

777
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, some folks are are hardcore evangelists for boxers

778
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: because they think you need more hanging to uh promote

779
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, I guess procreation. Like maybe if you're stuff

780
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: is too tightly packed, then it can overheat. I don't

781
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: know exactly. Is that the hygiene Maybe you can get

782
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: infections that yeah, maybe if it's like two tightly packed

783
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: and you're you're getting hots and sweaty down there. It

784
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: can cause some some hygiene issues. Yeah. But then the

785
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: fans of the brief would argue other stuff, and they

786
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: would say, well, here, okay, this is one I heard.

787
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know in those common but I heard, uh,

788
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sure this is not scientifically sound. I had

789
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: some folks tell me in middle school that if you

790
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: wore boxers over time, what would happen is that your

791
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: cod pieces would continue to draw. Yeah, you know, just

792
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: like how is sometimes when how when people are elderly,

793
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: sometimes their ears keep growing, you know, and struggling to

794
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: and froing. Yes, exactly. And I do have a parody

795
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: version of that another one. Oh you've heard the one. Yeah, yeah,

796
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: dear bees, it's something that happens. I think if you

797
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: get older to that happens. They sure, that's gravity. It's

798
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: just gravity. You can't mess with gravity. No amount of

799
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: technological garment innovation can mess with gravity, exactly. And so

800
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: because of these health claims, regardless of their veracity, a

801
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: lot of people felt like they had their well being

802
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: at stake. And this is where we get to, This

803
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: is where we I think we switched back for a second,

804
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: and let's talk about World War One because it played

805
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: a role in Undergarden. Super interesting. Let's not forget like corsets.

806
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, you picture corsets and you picture petticoats, and

807
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: that covered up pretty large swath of history, right, like

808
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: you know, the Old West, for example, the Frontier. Even

809
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: they were even though they were stepping through streets that

810
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: were like covered in mud and and and you know,

811
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: horse manure, they were still wearing these bizarre bell shaped

812
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: you know um petticoats that were at this point surrounded

813
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: by steel. Right. We initially in the early days of them,

814
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: they were made with reeds or willow rods that could

815
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: be bent because they were they were flexible. But because

816
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: of the war effort, women were discouraged. It actually caused

817
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: a sea change in fashion because all of that steel

818
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: was needed for the war effort. So women were discouraged

819
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: by the government from buying these courses, which essentially caused

820
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: a sea change in manufacturing and style. And it also

821
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: saved the government twenty eight thousand tons of metal. Amazing, right,

822
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: And no, that's no small effort. And that's where the

823
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: new brazier comes into play. And then we see a

824
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: cavalcade of other innovations, garter belts, girdles to replace courses,

825
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: perma girdles. I gotta say real quick, this is from

826
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: some of these facts here are from a great article

827
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: on Family Tree magazine called The Revealing History of Underwear

828
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: by David A. Frisle, which is a great last name. Yes,

829
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: shout out to you, Mr Frixele. Also then, also we

830
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: see nylon stockings. We see sixty four million pairs of

831
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: those sold, such that kind of like the PS five,

832
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: manufacturers couldn't keep up with demand, and at some point

833
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: some people were actually painting on stockings, which is I

834
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: think interesting. It is interesting. And remember, you know, originally

835
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: stockings were made of silk, which was a very you know,

836
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: rare and expensive material. Nylon really democratized the wearing of stockings.

837
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: And I have very distinct memories of being a kid

838
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: and uh, those stockings that came in like the egg

839
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, you'd buy them in almost I can't remember

840
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: the name of the brand, but it really became a

841
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: fashion thing, especially kind of in the eighties. Maybe is

842
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: when I picture like shoulder pads and nylon stockings, but

843
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: obviously it was big before that. But here's something that

844
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. Wait wait wait wait wait before going

845
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: I realized that's why they were called legs like l

846
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: like eggs with two g Yeah, boom, that's why they

847
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: were sold that way. You nailed it, very clever, very

848
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: clever branding. But here's something I didn't know. The thong.

849
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the thong. It gets its own song. Yeah,

850
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who who didn't want to see that thong? Um? Well,

851
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: actually did no. Let me let me rephrase that. The

852
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: mayor of New York in the nineteen thirties, the guy

853
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: who the airport connector, Mayor Fiarrello LaGuardia. This is there's

854
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: a huge like red light district. I mean, you know,

855
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: sex work was not legal, but there were lots of

856
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: burlesque type joints and strip clubs. Right. Times Square used

857
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: to be lousy with them up until I think the

858
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: like the nineties, you know, when they kind of think

859
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: it was Juliani who cleaned up quote unquote cleaned up

860
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 1: Times Square turned it into basically like Disneyland for tourists.

861
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: It's a little weird. I would have I vaguely remember

862
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: growing up going to New York in the nineties and

863
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: and the Trash Year, Dirty Year version, but LaGuardia ordered

864
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: by like statute, I guess strippers to replace their g strings,

865
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: which is, you know, it's like a thong, but it's

866
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: literally a string. It's basically how they could get around

867
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: with him them not being full nude. It doesn't look comfortable.

868
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I've never worn one, but it doesn't look comfortable. I

869
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: haven't either. But the thong is just it's honestly full

870
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: circle kind of back to the loincloth. It kind of

871
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: is it's like a reduced loincloth that's stretchy and you know,

872
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: shows enough of the butt, but it's not like just

873
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't disappear into the butt entirely. Right yep. And

874
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: years later the four eight eleven original rise thong in

875
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: like a jet it's a it's a jet fear button.

876
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: The four at eleven model to mock three thong now

877
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: with I C B. M. S. Yeah, it gets accepted,

878
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: It gets widespread acceptance as underwear. Just like you said,

879
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: it's a loin cloth. There was something else interesting we

880
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: found here. Before the nineteen fifties, pretty much everybody thought

881
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: of T shirts the way that we would think of

882
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: underwear correct, like you would if you were a normal person.

883
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: You would only be wearing a T shirt if you

884
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: were doing hard labor, playing sports. And the fact that

885
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: like right now, let's see, um, you know, you're wearing

886
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: a T shirt, Max, you're rocking a tea. I've got

887
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: one on, but I've got one on underwear style, Like

888
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: so you're also wearing a polo on top of that,

889
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: which is a style of tea with just like a

890
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: collar there it is, yeah, yeah, exactly, And that would

891
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: have been unusual. We would have looked out of place

892
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: or way too informal, or that's the thing, way too informal,

893
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: except for the intervention of a guy named Marlon Brando

894
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: in one he started appearing in these canonical classic hits

895
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: like Streetcar named Desire just wearing a tight T shirt

896
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: showing off, you know, showing off his his bot a

897
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: little bit. And then he did the Wild One where

898
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: he also wore a T shirt. James Dean Rebel Without

899
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: a Cause also a T shirt. And now a T

900
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: shirt becomes an everyday thing that people wear, and you

901
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: gotta think, and I'm just kind of spitballing here, but

902
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: it was probably designed they didn't. I don't think they

903
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: fully understood the pop culture phenomenon that it would create.

904
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: I think initially it was probably like, this is an everyman,

905
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: you know. The guy in street Car is meant to

906
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: be kind of a working stiff, you know, so it's

907
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: probably like, okay, this is what like. You know, it

908
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: was meant to show he's not rich. He's not rich exactly,

909
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: same with Rebel without a Cause, although I think he

910
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: had rich parents. That's a really interesting movie. I need

911
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: to watch that one again. It's a lot weirder than

912
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: I thought. It opens with this weird little clown thing,

913
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: like a little clown toy, and it's very interesting, odd movie.

914
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: I I assumed it was gonna be all motorcycle racing

915
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: in bravado, but it's actually very nuanced and strange. Film.

916
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: Highly recommended. Also has a really great sequence that takes

917
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: place in my favorite place in Los Angeles, the Griffith

918
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: Park Observatory. Ah Yes. And if whether you're at Los Angeles,

919
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: New York, or anywhere between in the nineteen sixties, you

920
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: notice something called the sexual revolution. It's also revolutionize social

921
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: latitudes towards unmentionables, and so it's important to note that

922
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things that would have formerly been considered

923
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: scandalous or now increase seemingly being considered mainstream. Right. And

924
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: and now we see that underwear sometimes followed larger trends

925
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: and outer clothing, Like when in the UK, when I

926
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: think it was maybe the eighties seventies, there was a

927
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: move towards tight genes and so people went back to

928
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: briefs because it couldn't put their boxers in the tight

929
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: jeans without looking really awkward and weird. And then I

930
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: found this really interesting quote where a person named Elizabeth

931
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: Eliasson of bjorn Borg. Had to be clear bjorn Borg

932
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: is a company named after the tennis player, said that

933
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: all the underwear trends started in the nineteen eighties with

934
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: the gay market. They wanted to have innovative products, and

935
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: because of this you would see like there was a sexualization.

936
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: You see like market mark and uh, designers like Calvin

937
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: Klein are using pretty much nude models in their ads.

938
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: And also people start associating boxers with kind of like success.

939
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: This is this is the grown man's panties. No, it's

940
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: it's it's very true. And I gotta say to you, Ben,

941
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about those type jeans and having to wear

942
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: briefs under them. Essentially we've come full circle again, and

943
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: that's sort of the modern cod piece, Yes, the modern

944
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: cod piece. This is where we also see this this

945
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: strange shift in aesthetic or the strange shift shift. Yes,

946
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: there we go, the strange chemise in in this in

947
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: a cultural perspective, because for a time, boxers, you know,

948
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: they're getting, they're becoming associated with, as he said, more

949
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: well to do up and coming like yuppie types. They're

950
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: the grown man's panties. And conversely, briefs are seen as

951
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: like the underwear of boys children y, like the g

952
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: I joe prints and all of that stuff, and it

953
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: became seen like a sign of immaturity exactly. But then

954
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: enters Marky mark And and Calvin Klein or or actually,

955
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, I always think of when I think of

956
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: Calvin Klein, I think of back to the future. When

957
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: she pulls this, you know, his mom in the in

958
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: the past. You know, he's he's he's he's unconscious because

959
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: I guess he gets hit by her parents car. And

960
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: then she takes the pants off and she says that

961
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: his name is printed is underwear and she calls him

962
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: Calvin for the whole movie. Um, but this changes that

963
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: exactly then right around because of Calvin Klein and um

964
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: featuring you know, the idea of an underwear model. That

965
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: wasn't even a thing, you know, Um, but it maybe

966
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: it was. But this is really when it becomes front

967
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: and center and on billboards, on TV commercials and like

968
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: all over the place and sort of normalizes that sexuality,

969
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: much to the chagrin of certain evangelical sets I would imagine. Right, yeah, now,

970
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: underwear is not just functional, it's a statement about sex, fashion, money,

971
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 1: and your appeal. And so seeing celebrities wearing these garments

972
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: would cause people to run out and get their own

973
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: or maybe get some for their partners, right, and by

974
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: clothing were them. So this translates directly to sales. And

975
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: that was starting in the seventies, yeah, going through to

976
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: the eighties when that was probably at its peak with

977
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the with the market Mark stuff. Well that was also

978
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: like Markie Mark would probably have been like late eighties,

979
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: like early nineties. Yeah, that really never went away. No, no,

980
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: And now we're reaching the conclusion of our tail. For

981
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: now there is a future of underwear that will will

982
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: cover Uh, I guess much much later. But as you know,

983
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: one of our favorite arbitrary rules here on Ridiculous History

984
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: is that we consider history stuff that happened before about

985
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: the mid nineties. Max, did we tell you that? I

986
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: don't think you guys did tell me that cut off

987
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: as apartheid are cut off? Is literally yes, And that's

988
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: that's why we're stopping at this era. Uh. The hybrid

989
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: Boxer brief, there's so many more, know you and I

990
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: did a round up of some just interesting underwear facts

991
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: that we found. Dude, this first one almost makes me

992
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: think George Lucas was all a little perth. So the

993
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: story is unconfirmed that Harry Fisher didn't wear underwear while

994
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: filming Star Wars because George Lucas told her there is

995
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: no underwear at outer space. George, whatever, man, I mean,

996
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: it's the future, man, there's future underwear. I would let

997
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: to point out that at no point in Star Wars

998
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: do they say it's the future. Well, actually it's supposed

999
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: to have happened a long long time ha ha and

1000
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: a galaxy far far away, it's true. Um, you know.

1001
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: Sticking with maybe a military type theme, um, the expression

1002
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: of going commando apparently first started being used in the

1003
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: seventies as like university slang, like in frat type circles.

1004
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: One of the first mentions apparently occurred at the University

1005
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: of North Carolina back in nineteen four. Um. But it

1006
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: refers to, of course, the idea of a commando, a

1007
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: military man being ready to go at a moment's notice

1008
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: and not needing to put on drawers. Okay, that's illuminated eating. Okay.

1009
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: It's also illegal in Thailand to leave your house without underwear. Uh.

1010
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: And also I feel they also execute you for smoking

1011
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: pot in Thailand. Uh. It does have harsh drug laws.

1012
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: If you're traveling to a place that has that says

1013
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: they have harsh drug laws, just believe them. Just believe them.

1014
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, you could party at home.

1015
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: But but but also one thing I thought would be

1016
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: would be fun for us to do it if you're interested,

1017
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: is I was looking for underwear slang because whenever we

1018
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: talk about things that are like the oh naughty stuff,

1019
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: we always find all this beautiful language about it, Like

1020
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin's long List, his reference work that's just phrases

1021
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: for getting drunk, or all the various names people have

1022
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: for genitals. We found some cool underwear slang. One of

1023
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: them is pretties, which I think is so creepy. Yeah,

1024
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: that's super creepy. Um, it's only goodness pretty, that's not cool. Um. Then,

1025
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: of course we've got some there's different ones from from

1026
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: different regions. Like he said, We've got things like granny panties.

1027
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: We've got drawls. Of course, we've got brief thongs, g strings, pantaloons. Um,

1028
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: what else We've got weener basket. Oh finally, finally, that's

1029
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: high class banana hammock. Yeah, I've heard that there's uh

1030
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: tap pants, which the tap dancers. Cutty Sark is one.

1031
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: It's also whiskey, right, Budgee smugglers, manhole covers. Manhole covers

1032
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: is clever. Of course nickers is good, and that has

1033
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: its own interesting history. But my heart goes to the

1034
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: union suit. I just want to start referring to that,

1035
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: like I'm wearing my union suits. My union suit is

1036
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: covering your birthday suits. It covers your birthday. Well done.

1037
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: You've got a couple more dumb ones just from belatory

1038
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: dot com. We've got sausage skins, kicks under ru's mantees,

1039
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: punch and holder, Grundy's trolleys and skies. I'm gonna I'm

1040
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: gonna try to make some up maxigans, break these with

1041
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: salad cues. How about your your hands free? Yeah you go,

1042
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: because otherwise you have to just hold them right, It's true. Yeah,

1043
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: um fig leaf. There we go, There we go. Uh,

1044
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: let's see, let's see. Uh your your cross Roads. That's weird.

1045
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: That's a really good movie with Britney Spears and Okay,

1046
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: well we'll take that. And I think that's it's a

1047
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: great bone Thugs and harmony song. You have a really

1048
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: great I Do I Do I? I love that version.

1049
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll all be able to play it

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Speaker 1: together and not get sued by one of those giants.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Gosh, this is a fun one. Thank you too.

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Speaker 1: Free to the loom first and foremost like, thank you

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Speaker 1: please send me one of those fruit mascot costumes. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the great We'll wear it on a soon

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Speaker 1: to be announced live event that we're gonna do. Yeah

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Speaker 1: they still if they still? Thanks to you, Ben, Thanks

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Speaker 1: to you, Max Williams, super producer Max Williams, Alex Williams,

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Speaker 1: who composed our theme, Super producer Casey Pegram, all the

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Speaker 1: super producers of Days of Your Yes, and thanks to

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Speaker 1: you knowl it's great to hang out in person. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to Gabe Lucier, our research associate. Christopher ocotis Eve's Jeff Coat,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to Nathan, and thanks to Yeah and thanks

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Speaker 1: well this the second time we said the name, so

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Speaker 1: we can power through this. Thanks to the Quister for sure,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, thanks to all the people who

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Speaker 1: have tirelessly worked to make underwear better. Honestly, because if

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Speaker 1: you look at the history this this is a wild ride,

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Speaker 1: it really is. See you next time, folks. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.