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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did What Now?

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Speaker 1: The history podcast. It's not your history class with me,

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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlwood, History Harlot and reader of books,

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Speaker 1: and my, oh my delicious friends. Will we be leaning

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Speaker 1: into the history Harlot this month. I should probably slip

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Speaker 1: into some context here, so I know I've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of new listeners that have come from the Concentration

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Speaker 1: Camp series. Now the all these and Goldies, they've been here.

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Speaker 1: They know this at this point because I talk about

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Speaker 1: it at least once a year. So I have been

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Speaker 1: making social media content as long as I've had the podcast.

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Speaker 1: So I've been making history content to go along with

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Speaker 1: and run parallel to the podcast since its inception. Right,

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Speaker 1: the whole point was it was going to promote the podcast,

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Speaker 1: and then it just kind of turned into its own thing,

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Speaker 1: so it grew legs and ran. So I have been

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Speaker 1: doing that and I've been educating online for five years

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Speaker 1: give or take. And I have breasts. Oh no, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the problem. The problem is I have I have breasts. Right,

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Speaker 1: That is the issue. The amount of men. It's mainly men.

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Speaker 1: Some women that get enraged. Somebody even go as far

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Speaker 1: as to say Levid that I have a fulsom bosom

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Speaker 1: and that I don't work to hide it. Now it's

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Speaker 1: become such a thing, and so people would complain that

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Speaker 1: I couldn't have like a sweet, sweet rack and also

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Speaker 1: a brain allegedly, And so what would happen was is

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Speaker 1: people would complain about how I dressed, and I am

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Speaker 1: fueled by Spike, Like on a scale of zero to

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Speaker 1: all have Kiev, how vengeful are you? Okay, I am

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Speaker 1: a solid Catherine DIMADICI like I, I will play the

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Speaker 1: long game and I will come at you. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's there. It's there, It's always there. And so fueled

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Speaker 1: by Spiked, and so people would complain about how I dressed,

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Speaker 1: whether I was wearing something that was form fitting or

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Speaker 1: had like the tiniest whisper of a hint of cleavage,

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Speaker 1: and so I would then wear something that was slightly

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Speaker 1: smuttier every video I'm like I once I once had

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Speaker 1: a guy complain that all of my videos showed boob right,

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Speaker 1: And this was back when I only had like one

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Speaker 1: hundred or so videos up on Instagram. And I went

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Speaker 1: or sixty one. It was like that kind of ratio.

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Speaker 1: Ratio is the wrong word, but yeah, it was fifty

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Speaker 1: nine or sixty one. I was covered up like I

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Speaker 1: was wearing T shirts, I was wearing high neck jumpers,

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Speaker 1: I was wearing blouses buttoned all the way up like

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Speaker 1: I was covered right, And it was only the remainder

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Speaker 1: that I was showing cleavy gin and partly the algorithm knows,

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Speaker 1: and so that's what he was focusing on because he

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Speaker 1: never went to my page and never looked to all

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Speaker 1: the other ones. So anyway, ha ha, pervert. So what

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Speaker 1: happened was is people started calling me a whoror for

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Speaker 1: how I was dressing. And here's the thing, and nothing

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Speaker 1: was that scandalous. I've never worn anything that scandalous in

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Speaker 1: a video, like never ever, and I would be called

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Speaker 1: a whore and I was like, how dare you? I

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Speaker 1: am not a whore, I am a harlot. And so

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Speaker 1: the history of Harlot was born out of alliteration and spite,

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Speaker 1: and there we are. But anyway, I know what you're thinking.

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Speaker 1: You're thinking, Katie, quit your Jebel Jabba. In fact, me.

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Speaker 1: In fact you I will, but first we've got to

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Speaker 1: get our source on I was. Sources are Paris, La

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Speaker 1: Belle Epoch by Richard Wires, Dawn of the bell Epoc,

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Speaker 1: The Paris of Monet, Zola, Bernard Ivel, Debussy, Clemens and

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Speaker 1: their Friends by Mary mccauloffe, The Belle Epoch, A Cultural

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Speaker 1: History Paris and Beyond by Dominique Khalifa, Leanne Debougie, Gordissant,

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Speaker 1: Princess a Saint by Jean Charmon. We have a series

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Speaker 1: of love letters from Latly Barney Clifford and Leanne Debouge.

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Speaker 1: We also have women Lovers of the Third Women by

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Speaker 1: Natalie Clifford, Barney Macaire, Blue My Blue Nopex, The Memoirs

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Speaker 1: of Leanne de Bouge, Sartorial Obsessions, beards Lay and Masquerade

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Speaker 1: by Lorraine Jansen Cuistre, The Evolution of the French Courtizan

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Speaker 1: novel from de Chabia to Collette by Courtney Sullivan, Pretty

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Speaker 1: Things by Liz Goodwin. La Belle Otelo by Arthur J. Lewis,

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Speaker 1: eros In La Belle Epoch by Patrick Wahlberg, Si Doctress,

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Speaker 1: Women who Ravished the World and their Lost art of

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Speaker 1: of their Virtues by Susan Griffin, The Mistress of Paris,

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Speaker 1: The nineteenth century courtizan who built an empire on a

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Speaker 1: secret by Catherine Hewitt, And of course we have our

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Speaker 1: old favorites Biography dot com and History dot com, iosding

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Speaker 1: comfortably good Limley, It's begin So given the heaviness of

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Speaker 1: last month's topic, I want to slip into something a

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Speaker 1: and that to me, that is the perfect burlesque thing

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Speaker 1: And before before we get into the story, right, we

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Speaker 1: because I want to do it justice, right, I want

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Speaker 1: because that history is people. It's not machines and guns

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Speaker 1: But people are what make history and it's a deservice

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Speaker 1: So the burlesque scene really originates in France, born out

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Speaker 1: and ah, yeah, they were more considerate than I expected.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect much from the French, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: Seventy percent of the French people I've met have not

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Paris at the end of September with work,

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Speaker 1: you know, to quote the movie Milon Rouge, was a

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Speaker 1: the beauty and amazing, fabulous, wonderful stuff that happened during

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Speaker 1: first legitimate music hall in Paris. It opened in eighteen

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Speaker 1: obsessed with the beauty. They're obsessed with attainment, you know,

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Speaker 1: Anne Marie Elopse with the father of her fetus, the

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Speaker 1: naval officer Joseph Ahmand and Lee Burbe Bulp. Everyone's got

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Speaker 1: such long names here. Their son, Marc murray Edmund armand Pulp,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you could say at least he married her,

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Speaker 1: poets and artists and you know, the wretch and the beautiful.

421
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: So you have people like La Belle Otero, who is

422
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: going to be Leane's main rival, right, But we'll get

423
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: back to her and away second, because the Valties is

424
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: basically aging out of the game, right, and she wants

425
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Leanne to be her successor, and she's trying to get

426
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: her to like be the best corson she can be.

427
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: She encourages her to read more classical texts, poetry, and

428
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: she wants her to become more cultured right and leanne

429
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: bourget she isn't even twenty years old yet, and so

430
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: she thinks this is like a bit boring and gets

431
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: it's not fun or exciting. But she does take the

432
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: advice seriously. She becomes straight smart, and she cultivates an

433
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: image for herself, like she gets like a statement piece,

434
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: like at one point she wears one peril earring like

435
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: Vermeer's girl with a peril earring, like just one, and

436
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: that becomes like her thing for a while. And the

437
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: life of a corasant that like you get up at

438
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: mid day, like you're not getting up first thing in

439
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the morning. Why would you? There was no purpose for that. Right,

440
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: you get up, you have you know, a light breakfast,

441
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: You get dressed, you promenade, you go to the shops,

442
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: you go here, you go there, you meet for tea

443
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: with some ladies, You go back home, you get dressed

444
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: for the evening, into your finery, and then you go

445
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: out again, you know, wind and dined and whatnot. Right,

446
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, So her and the valtes. They

447
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: are like super close. They would dine together, they would

448
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: frequent Niice and Monaco together, and of course they would

449
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: have an apperative or two together. And it's this association

450
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: that leads her to be invited to headline at the

451
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: folly berger.

452
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: Ah the fully belgail well, the novoiche and the bourgeois

453
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: and the artiste and you know Joseph over there they can.

454
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: For was it, three four francs each can go and

455
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: enjoy the beautiful show in front of them, because like

456
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the Folly Belgaier, it would have all manner of beautiful

457
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: women and dazzling costumes. It was I'm going to say

458
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: slightly more highbrow than the Mulon Rouge. The Mulon Rouge

459
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: was like like less sophisticated little cousin. It was just

460
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: a bit more raucous and a bit more out there.

461
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: And at this point as well, nobody ever got fully

462
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: nude on stage, Like this was not a time period

463
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: where you got naked. The laws didn't allow for that,

464
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: and so you'd have to be very careful about what

465
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: you were doing. So Leanne de Pouge, she was not

466
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: a great actress, That was not a talent. She possessed

467
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: and according to Sarah Bernard, yes the Great Sarah, she

468
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: would be better to keep her pretty mouth shut when

469
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: she was on stage because like she was brought in

470
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: to teach her how to act and again apparently not

471
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: something she was that good at. And oh there are

472
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: views of the fully Bergier. They were spectacles. They were

473
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: fabulous costumes, gorgeous performers and extravagant sets and fun fact,

474
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: this is also where Josephine Baker would perform in the

475
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. So after realizing acting not super leanne, she

476
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: kept acting in minor parts for a while, just long

477
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: enough for Albert Charles Pollitt. I think, isn't the English

478
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: Herbert Charles Poult to use Horra's inspiration for his drag performance. Yes, indeed,

479
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: he was known at the time as a female impersonator,

480
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: so he has this drag persona, Diane de Rouge like good.

481
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: You know. Here's the thing, though, if a drag queen

482
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: names themselves after you, you're an icon right, That's just how

483
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: it is. I don't make the rules, right, you have

484
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: to be iconic in some way for a drag queen

485
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: to name a persona after you. That's just how it is.

486
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, my favorite part of this let me tell

487
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: you about the rivalry between Lerian de Pouge and LaBelle

488
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: or Tero so Otero. She was a Spanish dancer who

489
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: was one of the highest earners in the scene. So

490
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: I think she had like the richest patrons out of

491
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: all the other courtesans. And oh, although she did and

492
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: the most, she lost most of it by her favorite pastime, gambling,

493
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: just like contense man cire. It probably didn't help that

494
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: everybody was on drugs, like listen, listen, it's the eighteen

495
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: hundreds in Paris. Like everyone is on tonic wine. What's

496
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: the thing that's not tonic wine? That is the wrong

497
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: term for it. There's a sort of us like coca wine,

498
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: I believe it was. So there was wine with cocaine

499
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: in it, which was like all the rage, by the way,

500
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: and then you've got opium, you've got cocaine again. Honestly,

501
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: cocaine was everywhere. And you have absinthe, which is I

502
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: don't think you can legally purchase absinthe anymore. You get

503
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: stuff that says it's absinthe, but real absinthe because of

504
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: the chlorophyll in it. I'm fairly certain you cannot purchase

505
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: today if you happen to be some kind of I

506
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: don't know, spirits, Amelie. Feel free to correct me on

507
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: this now that I really drink much anymore anyway, but yeah, yeah,

508
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: there we go. So anyway, her and or Tero they

509
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: are Otero au Tero o Tero. No, that sounds more

510
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: racist if I say it like that. So between LaBelle

511
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Otero and the Leande Puget, they're kind of like it

512
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: seems like a more fun rivalry for the most part,

513
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: although they did like embarrass each other every now and again,

514
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: so they would keep a tally on who had the

515
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: most joels because like people would give them like diamonds

516
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: and rubies and perils and like chokers and necklace and

517
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: diet and other pieces of jewelry that I don't know

518
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: the name of. And they would often try and outshine

519
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: each other literally because they were so bituled. Yeah I

520
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: did get a tailor'swift reference and blessen right, what can

521
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: I say? Some way? Can A hop I regret nothing?

522
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: I regret nothing. So like they were like sparkling and glittering.

523
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: A lot of the time. It was all about showing

524
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: it was about opulence and extravagance and showing what you had.

525
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: And so, being a sneaky, dicky little one, right, Leanne

526
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: de Bourget decided to flip the script. And one evening

527
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: she goes to the opera knowing that La Belle Otero

528
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: is going to attend, and so Leanne arrives in a

529
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: black velvet gown and a gasp a completely bare neck.

530
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Her maid follows her with a selection of jewelry on

531
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: this like plush pillow, right, like just jewels and diamonds

532
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: and and like rings and just all this stuff on

533
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: this pillow, just like following her. Meanwhile, Otto has a

534
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: ring on each finger, she's got diamond necklaces, she's got bracelets,

535
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: one on each wrist, and she has a diadem on

536
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: and by comparison, she just looked vulgar because she's covered

537
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: in all of these adornments. And here walks in Leanne

538
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: de Pouge, not a scrap of jewelry on her. And really,

539
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean that is a power play. Like that is

540
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: a power play. And of course Leander Poge, being a Cortizan,

541
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: being of the foy Bergel, she is she is heard

542
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: a pit pursued by many, many wealthy men, one of

543
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: what is one of the worst people ever to exist

544
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: in the world, Leopold the second of Belgium. If you

545
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: don't know who he is, feel free to look him up.

546
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I will be covering him at some point because he

547
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: was the worst, Okay, like genuinely awful, awful gum in

548
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: And I've spoken about before on like on the socials,

549
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: but I haven't done like a full episode on him.

550
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: And her admirers were men of means. Now other ladies,

551
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: they were also pursued by kings and princes and diamond

552
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: mind owners and leanne. I mean, she might have had

553
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, emperors crawling on their knees to her, but

554
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: she did have a decent, decent, you know, collection of

555
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: men who were willing to treat her well, you know.

556
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: And and unlike a lot of the other ladies, she

557
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: was much better at managing her money, right. She is

558
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: just careful and like one of the ways she makes

559
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: money is she gets put on a postcard. So like

560
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: her and Otero and other blessed performers, their image their

561
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: photo ends up on a postcard. And other blessed performers,

562
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: they had these sort of more risky images. They're a

563
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: little bit more like ooh, cheeky for the time, whereas

564
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Leane's like they are these like quite lovely portraits, Like

565
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: they're very beautiful photos over and like she's so famous

566
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: that people are buying these postcards over and like that's

567
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: just another form of revenue for her, which is like,

568
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: good for you, girl, good for you. So one evening,

569
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Leanne de Pouge she was seen performing at the Folly

570
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: Belgier by writer Natalie Clifford Barney, who then showed up

571
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: at Dipugi's home dressed as a page and announced that

572
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: she was a page of love sent by Sappho. Like

573
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: you have game if you do that to one of

574
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: the most famous women in France. I'm sorry. You can't

575
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: buy a woman a bouquet of flowers. She showed up

576
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: dressed as a page, a page of Sappho, Like, oh

577
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: my god, effort, effort, boys, anyway, to all the men

578
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: who listen to my podcast or to the women who

579
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: are playing this podcast in front of boyfriends who are

580
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: not doing enough. So yeah, so this is this is

581
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: such an extra story actually because like everyone the household

582
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: knew they were coming, so they test knew she was coming. Sorry,

583
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: Valdie's she knew she was coming. That made new Like

584
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: they had set this whole thing up right, and they

585
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: decide they're going to trigger. So Natalie Clever Barney, she

586
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: shows up at the door, says that she's like a

587
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: page of love set by Sappho, and the maid brings

588
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: her into a dimly lit room where there was a

589
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: figure lounging on a chaise, and so then she comes

590
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: kneels at the figure's feet and kisses their hand and surprise,

591
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: it's Valtes and Lehanne. She pops out from behind a

592
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: curtain dressed as this like dirophanous like gown. Right, It's

593
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: it's just so extra. And so they end up together

594
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: for at least a year after this, and Leanne de

595
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Pouge she writes about their affair in her book Ideally Sefique,

596
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: which is published in nineteen oh one. So yeah, like

597
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: twelve months, thirteen months, sort of like down the line,

598
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: the relationship just kind of fizzles out, and yeah, so

599
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: she writes about it, and then Natalie writes about it,

600
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: and then their love letters to each other like they

601
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: are like discovered posthumously as well, So the thing about

602
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: adel Sefique the book, right, it wasn't the only one

603
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: she wrote. So she also wrote, I'm going to do

604
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: the English names for these ones because it's easier for me.

605
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: She wrote the Elusive one in eighteen ninety eight, Miriel

606
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: or the lesser portion the following year, and these books,

607
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: they are the subgenre of novels known as courtisan novels.

608
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: So like a subgenre like romanticy or some kind of

609
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: other subgenre, like I don't know, paranormal crime. Is that

610
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: a thing? Ghost crime? No? No, no, no, no, no, We're

611
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: will still have been crying. Oh that's just that's just grim.

612
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: Isn't it like the TV show anyway? Supernatural? No? Is it? No?

613
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: It was a bit though for a while. No sleepy Hollow,

614
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: I gotta stop sorry, I'm like, what is in this

615
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: sub genre? So a lot of these books came about

616
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: right during this era. It was very popular because you know,

617
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: these little books, and a lot of her books came

618
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: about because of the man who keeps showing up in

619
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: this history. I have mentioned him many times before, the

620
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: king of fan fiction, Alexandra Dumah, the man he wrote

621
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: fan fiction. I don't care what you say, right, the

622
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: Count of Monte Cristo fan fiction, right, because that's based

623
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: on it's based on sort of, it's based on a story.

624
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: You have the three Musketeers trying to tell me that's

625
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: not a thing. Queen Margot, Okay, yeah, egg zactly right,

626
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: egg zactly. So you have that going on. And he

627
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: writes this book Ladame or Camillia, which it's about a courtisan,

628
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: and she believes that this is harmful and unreliable, like

629
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: it's a harmful and unreliable portrayal of courtisans. And she

630
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: was like, no, this is nonsense. Let me fix it.

631
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: Because she did something that was incredibly shocking as well,

632
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: right in her books, is that when she wrote about

633
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: a courtisan, instead of having them like suffer and die

634
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: like in every single other novel ever, she let them

635
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: have a happy ending, which, ah, was so scandalous for

636
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: the time. How dare they a woman of ill repute

637
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: who knows so Leanne she would garner a female clientele

638
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: right after her relationship with Barney right now. Some people

639
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: say that she had it beforehand, but it's more noticed now.

640
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: And this really sets her apart in the scene because

641
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: like in France, right there, were no laws that forbade lesbianism, right,

642
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: like when it came to homosexuality, like what if you

643
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: did behind closed doors like sins and sins and sin

644
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: sodomy was against the law, right, there were no laws

645
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: against like lesbian sex, like there wasn't any, and so

646
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: like you had lesbian bar and powers, like my favorite

647
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: one is called La Mare, which is the dead Rat,

648
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: which is like, why is it called the dead rat?

649
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: Because apparently two female bar owners or like two women

650
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: of some kind, they were in a relationship. They were

651
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: getting down to the hanky pancake and a rat startle them,

652
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: and one of them kills the rat, and they're like,

653
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: let's name a bar after this, which is an allegedlies.

654
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: But it's an allegedlies. I'd like to believe it's Weird's

655
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: the thing. There was probably gay bars as well in Poarers,

656
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: they just weren't as celebrated, shall we say. So, yeah,

657
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: you have this new social scene in Powers happening as

658
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: well because the val Tess she likes to to like

659
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: just encourage growth in culture, you know. And there's this

660
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: whole thing called like the five o'clocks, which is like

661
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: an afternoon tea. But it's just for ladies to meet

662
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: and come without men. So these gatherings were seen as

663
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: a dangerous activity by the men folk because women were thinking,

664
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: all right, So they were worried that because women would talk,

665
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: and they would talk candidly, right, they would talk about men,

666
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: They would talk about relationships, they would talk about finances,

667
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: they would talk about the political state of the country

668
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: and the economy and the art scene, like like how

669
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: women have conversations about life the way men have conversations

670
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: about life. Because I don't know if you know this,

671
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: but women are people too anyway, Like this caused like

672
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: such a ruckus, like they were like, ah, it's dangerous.

673
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: The women are thinking again. And there was also a

674
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: legitimate scare about digestion. Medical dots were worried about women's

675
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: digestion because of an afternoon nibble. Right, I mean, these

676
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: are the same people that thought beards could prevent diseases.

677
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: So I feel like a pinch AsSalt with these doctors, right,

678
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: the Victorian era doctors, Like I don't know how it

679
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: was in France, right, but in the regency, right to

680
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: become a doctor you had I don't know, it was

681
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: like a kind of it was eight or thirteen, like

682
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: eight years or like, it was a fairly decent period

683
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: of time that you had to study to become a doctor.

684
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: And then in the Victorian era it was like four

685
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: or like two. It was like really short. I can't

686
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: remember exactly, but I do have it in a notebook

687
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in my house. But it's such a tiny period,

688
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: like in you know, in England, it's like, oh, and

689
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: now you're a doctor. It's like what I just got here,

690
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: and it's like stamp approved. Like anyway, like these salons

691
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: like what they were, which is yeah, they're effectively like

692
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: a continuation of the sun laws that you would have

693
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: in sort of Renaissance or like the late Modern period,

694
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: like when that was coming into play, where you would

695
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: have gatherings and discussions between intellectuals and artists and the

696
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: rich the not rich people would discuss things together. And

697
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: that was kind of what this was, except this was

698
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: just for women, and men didn't like being excluded, because

699
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: apparently excluding one gender from things as bad. Hym to say, oh,

700
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: this sounds like such a men hating episode. Listen, some

701
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: of my best friends are men. Okay, so we're gonna

702
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: skip forward now to the nineteen tens, right, so we've

703
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: lived through that turn of the century era. We're coming

704
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: close to the end of La Belle epoch, and she's

705
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: in her forties. Leanne de Pouge, she's like forty something,

706
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: and she thinks maybe it's time to settle down, and

707
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: on the edge of June nineteen ten, she marries Prince

708
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: George Geeka, making our Princess and Marie Geeka of Moldovia. Yes,

709
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: Moldovia is a real place and you're welcome. So they

710
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: end up having a civil ceremony because she's not allowed

711
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: to get married in a church because she's divorced. That's

712
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a whole Catholic thing. It's like, yeah,

713
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: you can't do that. So they end up having a

714
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: civil ceremony instead. So the day before her wedding, though,

715
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: because she wants to like make it good, she goes

716
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: to church for confession. For the non Catholics out there,

717
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: it's when you sit in a box, right, and you

718
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: would I met all the bad stuff you've done or

719
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: considered doing, because sometimes even thinking about it is a sin.

720
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: And you say this to a man behind a screen

721
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: in a box and then you say three oil Mary's

722
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: and and our father, and you're absolved of all your sins.

723
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: That's how that works. Now, No, no, sometimes you do

724
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: have to do an act of contrition. But yeah, so

725
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: she wants to start her life fresh, you know, and

726
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: so she confesses to everything apart from robbery and murder.

727
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a line, you know, You're gonna have

728
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: a line you won't cross. So marriage number two is

729
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: much happier than marriage number one, but it's sort of,

730
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, sort of peppered with tragedy. Right. So,

731
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: a month, one month after getting married, her dear friend,

732
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: her tutor, her possible one time lover, Valtie de l'abignie,

733
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: she passed away and she wrote her own death cards

734
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 1: right right. So, typically during this time period, when someone died,

735
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: a family member would send out a death card notifying like,

736
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, other members of the family and all of

737
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: their friends and acquaintances. Right. However, Veltese, being the queen

738
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: that she is, when the doctors told her that she

739
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: hadn't much time left, She's like, I'm going to do

740
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: it myself. And so imagine getting a death card written

741
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: in your friend's handwriting about their own death, right. That's

742
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: that's going to be an experience because everyone wrote letters

743
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: back then, so you would recognize your friend's hide writing

744
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: because everybody wrote like That's how it is nowadays, most

745
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: people don't recognize anyone's handwriting. Whereas I can recognize my

746
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: grands my mom is, my dad's, my best friend from school.

747
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: I know exactly how they write exactly. My handwriting changes

748
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: depending on whether my hand gives up or not, like

749
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm either big bubbles or just squiggly scratches that are

750
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: not dissimilar to hieroglyphics. But yeah, so she gets that,

751
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: and that's a shock. But it's one last sort of

752
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: ha ha from the Valtez. Now about the possible lovers thing,

753
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: there is a theory that the two of them were

754
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: romantically linked to one point, which could be true. I'm

755
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: not going to deny it, but it does seem like

756
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: a way to dismiss their their friendship a little bit

757
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: because they had They both had female lovers to my knowledge,

758
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: but you know it, not each other. So in nineteen fourteen,

759
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: she suffers another loss. Her son, Mark was a pilot

760
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: in the First World War and he died on a

761
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: reconnaissance mission over the song, and she wrote in her

762
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: diary that she did not love her son enough when

763
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: he was alive, and this this was a turning point

764
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: for her, and it's when she starts looking back at

765
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: her faith and she decides she's going to dedicate herself

766
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: to good work after this, right, good works. She's going

767
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: to try and be better. So another was it. Twelve

768
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: years after this, in nineteen twenty six, Prince George leaves

769
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: her for a younger woman. Like he just abscorne, Like

770
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: they don't divorce, they don't do anything. He just leaves.

771
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: He comes back a year later, right, it's like a

772
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: year or so later, and he's just like, honey, I'm home,

773
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: and we don't know, like the reasons for leaving, we don't, Well,

774
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: we know he left for a younger woman, we don't

775
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: know the reasons for his return. Right, So he comes

776
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: back and she takes him back. And in nineteen twenty eight,

777
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: the couple are driving in Savoy and they come across

778
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: this like run down convent, and by run down, I

779
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: mean like ruinous, like it's barely standing. And they decide

780
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 1: to investigate because apparently that's exactly what you do in

781
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: a you know, run down building in the middle of

782
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: the French countryside. So they go in and they just

783
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: discover that it is the Asylum of Saint Agnes, a

784
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: home for children with disabilities, and the nuns, the nuns

785
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: are actually doing their best to care for these children,

786
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: but they're nuns, they're not healthcare professionals. The place is

787
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: run down, like the nuns are struggling, the children are struggling,

788
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: and they're giving what they can to these children, but

789
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: they're nuns. They don't have a lot to give. I

790
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: mentioned this before, and the Nuns on the Run episode, right,

791
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: the Belgian Nuns. That is a fun episode if you

792
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: want to listen to it. That's full of fun things

793
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: that happen. And also Sacred Lesbians, which is everybody's favorite

794
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: plot twist. So nuns, when they become nuns, they have

795
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: to give an oath of poverty, so none and monks

796
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: they have to do it. Priests don't. Priests are allowed

797
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: to make a lot of money and own many things, right,

798
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: Nuns and monks they're supposed to not have any of that, right,

799
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: so they don't really have a lot to give, and

800
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: they are relying on alms they're relying on you know, donations. Yeah,

801
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: And Princess Geeka as she now is, she dedicates herself

802
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: to helping them, caring for and educating both the physically

803
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: and the mentally disabled children who are residents there. She

804
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: works to provide better care and to actually help, right.

805
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: And it's like this calling to her, like she's providing funding.

806
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: She's providing you know, medical care, like she's funding it.

807
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: Like she's not doing the nursing herself, but she's funding it. Right.

808
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: And when Prince George died, she decided that she didn't

809
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: want to be out with the Order anymore, and she

810
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: entered the Order of Saint Dominique as a tertiary lay sister,

811
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: which is she's like sort of a nun, like a

812
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: kind of nun, but not like a full nun, so

813
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: a territory lay member of any sort of religious group.

814
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: It's a third order. So the third orders were created

815
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: so that like ordinary people could like follow the spirituality

816
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: or the rules of groups like you know, the nuns

817
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: and the monks while still keeping like normal jobs, families,

818
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: and daily lives. So what this means is they're kind

819
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: of like an affiliate to the nuns, but not actually

820
01:02:54,960 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: like a fully fledged sort of nun, right. I know that,

821
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: like this is a thing in Roman Catholicism, and also

822
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: I think there's some Anglican and Lutheranism, if I'm not mistaken,

823
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: but I'm not fully up on those because I was

824
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: raised Catholic. And so they don't live like in like

825
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: the cloister. They're not on the religious community. They're not secluded,

826
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: they don't take full vows, right, so they don't you know,

827
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: live with the nuns and the nunnerway necessarily, they can

828
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: live wherever they want. They can live in secular society,

829
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: like some of these third orders are like diplomats and shit.

830
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: Like it's a whole thing, right, So she you know,

831
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: wears the habit, she can do all this stuff. But

832
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, she can like doesn't have to do like

833
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: the whole vow poverty thing. So she can keep her

834
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: money and she can like give that to the convent

835
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: as and when she pleases, as opposed to some relative

836
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: taking it when she dies, you know, so she can

837
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Speaker 1: utilize it now, which makes sense because if she gives

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Speaker 1: a vow poverty, it kind of has to go to

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Speaker 1: the next person. Really, But anyway, I think I don't

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Speaker 1: know how French monetary law works really, especially not in

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Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds. Would it be Moldovian law because

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Speaker 1: she was married to Moldovian prince or would it be

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Speaker 1: Swiss law because she's living in Switzerland because Savoy was

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Speaker 1: it was Swiss territory at the time, so like now

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Speaker 1: the county is it's kind of shared by like France,

846
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Speaker 1: Switzerland and Italy and so. But Savoys in Switzerland at

847
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: this point, and if they're living in Switzerland, they're fairly

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Speaker 1: safe for what's about to happen next. So they're just continuing,

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Speaker 1: you know, to do this and live in Switzerland up

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Speaker 1: until nineteen forty f when Prince Geka dies, right, so

851
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: when he dies, like I mean, she still stays in Switzerland,

852
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: but she becomes like the third the third order. She

853
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: joins the third order, and she becomes Sister Anne Marie,

854
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: and she is like she does really well, right, She

855
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: is well liked by the other nuns and Mother Superior,

856
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: and like here's the thing, we all know. The woman

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: has charm, right, she had charmed on the streets of Paris.

858
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: She had charm here, okay, and she was well liked

859
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: by all the other nuns and by Mother Superior, like

860
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: she was doing great, right, and she really enjoyed her

861
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: life here. And here's the thing, Like there's speculation about

862
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: whether this was are rediscovery of her faith or whether

863
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: she was hoping to make good with you know, the

864
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: big man upstairs, you know, before she reached the pearly gates,

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Speaker 1: especially after a life of what some would call scandal

866
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: and sin. But she lived a life. She lived a life,

867
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: and she she was honest and frank about it, like

868
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: she wrote it in her diary, like she shared that information.

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01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: And then she made a different choice in life. And

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01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: so she becomes this Dominican territory, like this third order

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: Dominican sister. And for the next five years she just

872
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: becomes part of this order and she does what she

873
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: can to help. And we don't know whether this is

874
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, her feel or her bargaining or whatever it is.

875
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: But we don't know, and we'll probably never know. And

876
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: the thing is, I think it might have been Saint Agnes,

877
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: which was the saint that was dedicated to in the

878
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: first convent she was in when she was growing up,

879
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: Like and if that's true, like I think that might

880
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:26,479
Speaker 1: be true. I'm not entirely sure. I need to go

881
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: back and look at some very old notes, but it

882
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: would be lovely if that was like a full circle

883
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: for her, because like if you come out of Paris

884
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: and then like turn of the century and you don't

885
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: have cephalis, like, good for you. That's all I'm saying,

886
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: all right, ten out of ten, like that is a skill,

887
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: Like that is a skill and a miracle even But

888
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: she lived a full life and she was honest about it,

889
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: which I think is the most important part about it.

890
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: But she lived, she lived a full life. She kind

891
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: of came full circle, and she came through God. There

892
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: was guns, there was one gun, and there was girls, girls, girls.

893
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: And finally she passed away in Lausanne on the twenty

894
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: sixth of December nineteen fifty and she was buried in

895
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:30,520
Speaker 1: the enclosure of the Sisters of the sand Agnier Asylum

896
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: in Saint Martin le Vignu in Lausanne, Switzerland. And so

897
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: ends the story of Lianne de Pougie. And the thing

898
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: is with a lot of the performers and the burlesque

899
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: stars and the Cabot performers, and the and the courtesans

900
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: of the era A lot of the information regarding them

901
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: as law, whether it was destroyed to shame or mismanagement

902
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's just gone. And without people there is

903
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: in history, and I think it's a terrible shame to

904
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: not tell their stories. And so there is the story

905
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: of Leander Pougie. And if you liked the story and

906
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: didn't mind my terrible pronunciation, feel free to write in

907
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: review of five stars. If you don't want to write

908
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: a review of five stars, don't see anything at all.

909
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: You can catch me on social media. You can catch

910
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: me on the highway. That's not it. I feel like

911
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: there's a joke in there somewhere, But yeah, I am everhere.

912
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: I am doing the stuff. I have live show announcements

913
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: coming soon, and I suppose now would be a good

914
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: time for our recommendations. Okay, for watching, I think y'all

915
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: should watch Milan Everybody watching Milan Rush. Don't care watching

916
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Milan Rush? Okay, don't care. Like if you aren't at

917
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: least like partially humming spectacular spectacular, then I don't know

918
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: what joy is in your life. Okay, no, no, no, no, no,

919
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: no no no no. So for for watching, that is that.

920
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: For reading, I am going to suggest a book that

921
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 1: was gifted to me for my birthday by a great comedian,

922
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: Darren Matthews, great Northern Irish comedian North of Ireland. Fabulous fella,

923
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: a very fun, very kind. Now he got me a

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01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: book called Pretty Things by Liz Goldwyn and it is

925
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:48,480
Speaker 1: my favorite favorite book I have ever read about burlesque

926
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: in my life because there was so much love in

927
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: here for it and it is It's just an amazing book.

928
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: And listening any what, I was listening to my dear

929
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: friend Anne's podcast Vulgar History. It brings me such joy,

930
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: just the way she talks about women, and I feel

931
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: she says the word like an appropriate amount of times.

932
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: I actually had something similar actually a sidebar before the

933
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: end of the show. I had someone complain. They were

934
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: like the comment on Spotify with something like if you

935
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: like the word like said a million times in a podcast,

936
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: then this is the one for you. Yeah. It is

937
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: like get over yourself, bitch, like chill out. Man. It's

938
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: just the lexicon. It's how language evolves and filler words exist.

939
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, oh man, just go

940
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: suck on a frozen lemon. All right. I don't have

941
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: time for your negativity about life, which is why I

942
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: deleted the comment, and only people who stayed to the

943
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: very end heard about it. Da da da da da.

944
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, tickets to the London show could be announced

945
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: fairly soon actually, so keep your ears peeled for that one.

946
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: But I shall oh yeah, oh yeah this this month

947
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: sidebar final, sidebar, wesper wesper whisper ps PBPs.

948
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

949
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 1: Effectively, I think what's gonna happen and this is gonna

950
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: be the complete opposite of what happened in the Concentration

951
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: Camp series is that in the videos I was getting

952
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: like just more disheveled as it went on, And I

953
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 1: think with this, I'm gonna get more glamorous and more smutty.

954
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: And if I managed to like follow this through the

955
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 1: whole way through, I'm gonna be so impressive myself. But anyway,

956
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: I am going to bid you good night, adios, ah

957
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: of way to send my friends bye bye.