1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft hosted. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 3: By the writers of Patriots dot Com from now. 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 4: Until you here the New England Patriots. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: What the countdown is on? 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light. 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: All right, welcome everybody. We're back with another edition of 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: the Patriots Draft Countdown, presented by bud Light. Easy to Drink, 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: Easy to enjoy, bud Light, the official beer sponsor of 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Guys, today we have the quarterback segment, 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: which is what everybody's been waiting for obviously, But before 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: we get into that, we're gonna go over some latest news. 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: We got Chris Cassidy, Evan Zar, Paul Parillo, and guys, 14 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 2: I think the news of the weekend is Michael Pennix. 15 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: It is supposed to show up right. 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, today, I think a dinner tonight and then dinner 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 5: last night, visit today, which is what they've been doing 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 5: with all the quarterbacks. So the first time that they've 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 5: shown real interest in Michael Penix. They did meet with 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 5: him at the senior role, but they with pretty much 21 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 5: everybody that plays in the senior Bowl down in mobiles. 22 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 5: So this is the first time that I think Elliott 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 5: Wolfe and Girod Mayo are going to have a legitimate 24 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 5: time to get to know Michael Pennix a little bit. 25 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 5: And obviously the medicals are going to be big with 26 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 5: him for every team, So getting him here, getting probably 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 5: a physical exam by your doctors and your facility, all 28 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 5: those things play a big factor. We can obviously talk 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 5: about different scenarios of how they end up with Michael Pennix, 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 5: but I think the overall takeaway from me is just 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 5: no stone unturned. You know, this is a guy that 32 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 5: deserves a seat at the table and a spot in 33 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 5: the conversation, and I think it would have been a 34 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 5: little bit disappointing if they went the whole process and 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 5: essentially just ignored Michael Pennix. Even if it ends up 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 5: being Drake may or Jaden or JJ McCarthy at three, 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 5: I still like the idea of at least getting to 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 5: know some of these guys. 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: Agreed, Paul, you got a think on this, No, well, 40 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: that's four of the quarterbacks though now that they used 41 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 3: official thirty visits on so I agree with that, and 42 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: I think that it's one of those deals. If something 43 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: out of outside the box comes up, come the April 44 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: twenty fifth, and I don't know, maybe Washington takes Drake 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: May and Drake May was the one. You know, something happens, 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 3: you know, along those terms, and somebody comes after you, 47 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 3: you know, with a really overly aggressive bag. You know, 48 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: as Mao said, now you have to have some some fallback. 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 3: You have to have some intel on the guy who 50 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: you might have to get, you know, early in the 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: second round, or do you want to trade up out 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: of the early second round into the late first round. 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: And Michael Pennix would be probably the best candidate for that. 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I was gonna just chime in there. 55 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Patriots right now are just 56 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: testing the waters. I think it's you gotta be able 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: to see all these guys, especially in any scenario where again, 58 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: if there is a trade back situation where the Patriots 59 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: do fall back and end up with a quarterback in 60 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: the second round, like you have to you have to 61 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: look at these guys. It's important to look at these 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: guys and see what you're going to get from them, 63 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: how they're going to be personality wise, and obviously health wise, 64 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: So it's all important. 65 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no doubt that off of the film, Michael 66 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 5: Penix is probably QB four in this draft. I think 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 5: his draft here film is better than what JJ McCarthy 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 5: did at Michigan last year. And if it wasn't for 69 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 5: the medical situation, who knows how high he could go 70 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 5: in this draft. You know, he's a little bit older 71 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 5: of a prospect. It did take him a while in 72 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 5: college with all the injuries, but there's not a very 73 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 5: you know, very few guys in this draft, I would 74 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 5: say with the pinpoint downfield accuracy, you know, in terms 75 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 5: of the downfield ball, placement on the deep ball is 76 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: exceptional on film with Penick. So I still think that 77 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 5: he as much as I feel like a lot of 78 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: people have cooled on him, I feel like in some 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 5: ways from since you know, the season, in the Michigan game, 80 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 5: obviously in the college football playoff, I think is a 81 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: big reason why after the Texas game, this guy was 82 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 5: like everybody's darling, right, Like everybody was all over the place, 83 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 5: you know, talking about Michael Pennix. So I definitely I 84 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: think that he's someone that can go early in this draft. 85 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: Like if he's if there's a second tier, then the 86 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: you know air quote for that, he's probably the top guy, 87 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: I think, So, you know, that's a good fallback. But 88 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: as I said, guys, this episode is mostly on quarterbacks, 89 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: so we're gonna get way more into this. We got 90 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy talk Jayden Daniels and of course Drake May 91 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: So we hope you enjoy this episode and we'll talk 92 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: to you later. 93 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: All right, we're here with our final positional preview here 94 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four Patriots Draft countdown, and guys, it's 95 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 4: the quarterback position. It's a huge one for the Patriots. 96 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: It's really kind of what we've been talking about all spring. 97 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was good to save this 98 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 4: one to the end because I feel like we're talked 99 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 4: out on this already. But let's just give a nice 100 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 4: broad overview. And Paul, I want to start with you 101 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 4: and Caleb Williams, who you know, exciting, dynamic player and 102 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 4: it seems like a luck he's going. 103 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: To go to Chicago. Yeah. 104 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: The first time we had this show on I don't know, 105 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: November thirteenth, so yeah, I felt like there was a 106 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: clear separation between Williams and the rest. Yeah, and it 107 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: certainly seems like it's stayed there that way, you know, 108 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: in the media. I think it kind of fluctuates with 109 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: the off field stuff and the crying and you know, 110 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: other factors there. But I just feel like his ability 111 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: off platform to make some plays. He's very accurate, obviously 112 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: dynamic running as well. He's a little small, you know, 113 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: at six ' one ish and he's definitely loose with 114 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: the football. So there's no such thing as a perfect 115 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: prospect any year, but this year, no one's talking about 116 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams as sort of that special generational kind of talent. 117 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: I don't think he is, but I think he's clearly 118 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: QB one as Evan and the. 119 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: Kids say, do you think Evan? Do you think he 120 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 4: could be that guy? Though, if he kind of irons 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: out some of those details. 122 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 5: I would say that his his arm talents generational. I 123 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 5: don't know. I agree with Paul that he's got wartz 124 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: to his game, that he's going to have to work 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 5: out with ball security and taking too many sacks and 126 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 5: things like that, but his arm talents generational. You know, 127 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 5: he's got that ability, like Paul is saying, off platform 128 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 5: to not just throw the ball down the field, you know, 129 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 5: ten yards, he can throw it sixty yards accurately off platform. 130 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: You know. 131 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 5: He makes some throws on film that are just disgusting, 132 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 5: Like you're just like, come on, really like really, like, 133 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 5: what are you supposed to do about that? So he's 134 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 5: incredibly incredibly talented. I know that his personality is not 135 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 5: for everybody. We're going to leave that to the side. 136 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 5: His football ability is you know, his ability on film 137 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 5: is is exceptional. And I've I've wired a wire, I've 138 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 5: had him one one, I've had him in his own tier, 139 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 5: like he's he's a tier above everybody else in this 140 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 5: class tomy. Is he in the Andrew Luck sphere? Probably not, 141 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 5: but he's right below that sphere. I would say that 142 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 5: maybe we all should have thought of Trevor Lawrence like 143 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 5: a little bit less of that generational type mate, And 144 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 5: I think that Caleb's in a similar category. 145 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: Would tis I'm not going to We've covered I feel 146 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 4: like we covered Caleb if you don't need to believe 147 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 4: labor the point. So let's just get right to Drake. 148 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 4: May I mean, I think all of us are will 149 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: be very excited if the Patriots were able to land him, 150 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: you know, just prototypical size. He's got some athleticism, he's 151 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 4: got some of the off platform stuff, he's got some 152 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 4: creativity to his game. He's just kind of a ratic 153 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 4: at times. But he's still just twenty one years old. 154 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: But it seems like he's got all the tools in 155 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: the shed. 156 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he carried a bad UNC team last year, 157 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: not this past season. Year before. I mean, it really 158 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: was Drake May and Kale Williams and even there were 159 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: some scenarios where Drake May was going to be the 160 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: number one guy. So that's a guy you can come in. 161 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 2: He's young, if you know the offense, say the Patriots, 162 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: we're lucky enough to get him at three. We're not 163 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: ready for him. You can sit him. He'll just grow 164 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: behind Jacobe Burssett. We don't know what's going to happen, 165 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: but at this point, I just hope the Commanders don't 166 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: take him. So that's all of us. 167 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: But you guys, I mean, this is this is the 168 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: guy we should probably spend the most time on. 169 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 2: Bright Paul. 170 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like him and Daniels. Daniels a little 171 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: bit more than you do. But May would be my 172 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: pick as well, I just I think think there's a 173 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: lot of athleticism there, you know, prototypical size six ' 174 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: four to twenty five or so. I think he can run. 175 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: He's he's been an effective runner. There's inconsistencies, there's no again, 176 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: there's no perfect guys. He's loses his accuracy at times. 177 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: The mechanics are an issue. I think those things are coachable. 178 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: I think he has the things that you can't teach 179 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: in terms of the physical tools. I mean, I think 180 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 3: there's a lot to like there. 181 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great way to put it. I think 182 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 5: the biggest thing is with Drake May is that this mold, 183 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 5: this archetype is working out more and more in the 184 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 5: league now that they are these private quarterback coaches in 185 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 5: the offseason and there's a little bit more knowledge of 186 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 5: what's important and what's not when it comes to footwork 187 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: and things like that. You see so many of these 188 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 5: guys now, and I think that Drake May is right 189 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 5: in the mold of Alan Herbert Jordan Love, like all 190 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 5: those types of players that it'll work itself out more 191 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 5: times than not. Now, you know, maybe twenty years ago 192 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 5: we had trouble with these kinds of players, now it 193 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 5: feels like the developmental track is a lot easier for them. 194 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 5: You look at the high end throws, like the big 195 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: time throws down the field. Nobody's made more of them 196 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 5: college football over the last two years than Drake May. 197 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 5: So you see those big time throws, those high level 198 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 5: franchise QB plays, he has those. Just to Paul's point, 199 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 5: he has to be more consistent with the layups. It's 200 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 5: actually the easy throws that he has harder trouble with 201 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 5: than the big time throws. So that's a little bit backwards, 202 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 5: but in a lot of ways, I just kind of 203 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 5: described Josh Allen, you know, coming out of college. So 204 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 5: that's the way that I look at it with Drake 205 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 5: May is that we've we've gotten better of developing that 206 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 5: kind of talent in the league, and I think it 207 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 5: has panned out more times than not recently. 208 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked him. It's a good transition though to 209 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: Jade and Daniels, who you know similar, I mean, has 210 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 4: to kind of develop probably more along the lines of 211 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson. You know, Paul you mentioned that, you know, 212 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit I'm a little bit more concerned. 213 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: There are a few just. 214 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 4: Traits in him that I see that I see coming 215 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 4: and if they don't develop, you know, I be kind 216 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 4: of mad at myself. But you know, why don't you 217 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 4: set up Jade Daniels a little bit? 218 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think that the the ability to run 219 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: is the X factor there, and these guys are all mobile. 220 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams is a terrific runner too. I'm not saying 221 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: that Daniels is the only guy, but I do think 222 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: that he separates himself a little bit as a runner, 223 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: and I think sometimes that can make up for some 224 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: of the inefficiencies. He's like everybody else, though, he's going 225 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: to have to learn how to do it from the 226 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: pocket and you know, get the ball out on time 227 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: and being rhythm make his progressions. I think for a 228 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: lot of these guys, there was a lot of one 229 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: read stuff. Evan would probably speak to that a little 230 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: bit more than I would. But there's a lot to 231 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: like about Daniels. And you know, I think the fact 232 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: that the size of the frame, you know, it's not 233 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: that much different than Lamar Jackson, a little smaller. So 234 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: I think some people felt like that durability would be 235 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: an issue. I was one of them, you know, it 236 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: looks like he's, you know, if he can play it 237 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: two ten or you know, two fifteen. I think that's 238 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: big enough. There's a lot to like there. 239 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's very different stylistically than Lamar. He 240 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 5: runs differently tax different areas of the field as a thrower, 241 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: but the way that defenses have to account for his 242 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: mobility is very similar to Lamar. So you're gonna get 243 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 5: into a game plan defensively against the Patriots and you 244 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: are gonna have to have a coordinated rush plan of 245 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 5: how are we going to contain Jaden Daniels in the pocket, 246 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 5: Because when he gets out of the pocket and runs, 247 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 5: he's a fifty yard touchdown waiting to happen. I mean, 248 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 5: he will turn on the tape against Florida or Alabama 249 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 5: and he is just taking off running for huge chunks, 250 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 5: not just ten yards at a time. Fifty sixty seventy 251 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 5: eighty five yard touchdown against Florida running the football. So 252 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 5: that's a difference making trait that he has as a passer, 253 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: though there are has some hesitations with his profile. He 254 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 5: has a lot of overlap as a thrower with Justin 255 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 5: Fields and with Jalen Hurts, so that's the scale that 256 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 5: I have put him on. Jalen Hurts is like, well, 257 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 5: I think what it could be if everything around him 258 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 5: is in the right order. And I think with him, 259 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 5: it's really about having those outside receivers that can win 260 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 5: one on one because he's not somebody that likes to 261 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 5: throw the ball to the middle of the field. He's 262 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 5: not gonna hit the layered, anticipatory rhythm throws between the numbers. 263 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 5: It's not his game. That's where the Justin Fields thing 264 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 5: kind of comes in. There's a lot of sacks on film. 265 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 5: There's a lot of you know, when he gets pressure, 266 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 5: he's gonna get sacked. He's not elusive, overly in the pocket, 267 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: and he's not big, so when you hit him, he's 268 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 5: gonna go down. So those are the things that I 269 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 5: think give you concern about Jayden Daniels. Is just that 270 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 5: we look at what just happened with Justin Fields in Chicago. 271 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 5: If you don't give him a good offensive line, and 272 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: he really you know, DJ Moore is like the best 273 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: receiver he's ever worked with, and it's gonna be a 274 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 5: little bit of a projection of what he can do 275 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 5: as a thrower. But I think He's a much better 276 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 5: natural runner than Justin fields is. So I put him 277 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 5: more in the Lamar category in that What do you 278 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 5: think you got Daniels? 279 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: Should we move on to to McCarthy. 280 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: Well, what I want to add about Daniels real quick 281 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: is that the difference between him and Lamar's Lamar is 282 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: a bit better avoiding the hits. I mean, there's some 283 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: footage of Jade Daniels getting absolutely planted, and I'm also 284 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: worried that he had the way to get as Evan 285 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: said Malik neighbors Brian Thomas, I just don't know if 286 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: that'd be a great fit for the Pats once again 287 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 2: to something we haven't had before because Cam kind of 288 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: didn't have the arm when he was here. 289 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, Lamar is more creative as a runner too, Like 290 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 5: Lamar is more elusive and more jitterbuggy as a runner, 291 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels is a shot out of a cannon type 292 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 5: of runner, Like when he sees a gap, he's going 293 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 5: to just explode through it. You know, if you want 294 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: to compare him as a runner, I see a lot 295 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 5: of Kaepernick and how he runs the ball. That's it's 296 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 5: a straight line speed. He's not a dancer like Lamar is. 297 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 5: You know, Lamar's got at all. I think that that 298 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 5: still can be really valuable, but it's just a little 299 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 5: bit of a different running style. 300 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 3: All right. 301 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: So let's move now to you know, probably the most 302 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 4: polarizing prospect, Jaja McCarthy, who wasn't really even I mean, 303 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 4: I don't feel like he was even polarizing like to 304 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: start the process. And then just in the last month 305 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 4: or so, Paul, he's really become the guy that you know, 306 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 4: just everyone has him going all the way up to 307 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 4: three of the Patriots. I mean, does that sound crazy. 308 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: We're a couple of weeks out now, and it certainly 309 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 3: seems like I'd be surprised at this point with the 310 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: amount of buzz that he's gotten if he doesn't go 311 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: in the top ten. So I'm not necessarily sure how 312 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: this all happened, but there is a skill set there 313 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 3: that I think is a little underrated. He is polarizing, you, right, Mike, 314 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: but I do think he has a good degree of 315 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: athleticism in mobility. He's not the runner per se that 316 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: the other guys are, but he can move and he's 317 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 3: got a terrific arm. Matter of fact, some people criticize 318 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: that it's all fastballs, like he needs to sort of 319 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 3: vary the routine a little bit. But there's to me, 320 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: it's that the cliched question. He never had to carry 321 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: the team at Michigan, so that's a projection. You don't 322 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: know if he can do it. 323 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think? 324 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've been pretty critical of the McCarthy stuff. 325 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: I think his floor is probably the Minnesota at eleven. 326 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 5: Like if they just waited out and give the mac 327 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 5: jones thing, or you just hope he falls in your 328 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 5: lap at eleven, then maybe you know that ends up 329 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 5: happening there. I think the biggest thing with McCarthy is 330 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 5: that the strains there are that he plays with instructure 331 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 5: of a pro style offense at Michigan. So that's nice 332 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 5: and easily translate to the NFL. Like when he's on 333 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 5: time and he's on the first read, this is what 334 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 5: he's capable of doing. We can see that on film, 335 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 5: even in a small sample size. He's also, to Paul's point, 336 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 5: he's very very quick and agile in the pocket. He's nimble, 337 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 5: he can move around the pocket, he can evade rushers, 338 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: he can keep his eyes downfield and throw off of that. 339 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,119 Speaker 5: He's not a scrambler, but he's a thrower within that confine. 340 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 5: So he's very good there. He put down a six 341 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 5: point eight two three cone, so you can see the quickness, 342 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 5: like he's got that change of direction ability. I think 343 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 5: the biggest thing with him is just a lack of creativity. 344 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 5: You know, he's an instructure player, and there's just not 345 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 5: a whole lot of times in structure that I see 346 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 5: him really using some of the different quarterback tools to 347 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 5: hit bigger plays down the field, Like let's come off. Yeah, 348 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 5: the first read might be an open six yard completion, 349 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 5: but if I come off the first read the second 350 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 5: reads an eighty yard touchdown. You see him stick on 351 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 5: to the first read a little bit too often. There's 352 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 5: not a lot of pump fakes or manipulation or real 353 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 5: creativity or playmaking to his game. So that's why I've 354 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 5: really consistently compared him to Purty because I feel like 355 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 5: Brock Purdy is one of those guys that, yeah, if 356 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 5: it's all on time and if the guys are getting 357 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 5: open and the scheme is working and all this kind 358 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 5: of stuff, he can be a prolific you know, He's 359 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 5: what runner up for MVP last year. Really efficient guy, 360 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 5: but is he going to be the reason that you 361 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 5: look back and say JJ McCarthy carried us that day, 362 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 5: like he was the reason why we won this game. 363 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 5: I don't see that in the league. And I think 364 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 5: that that's if you're picking at three, your guy has 365 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 5: to have that type of potential. He has to be 366 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 5: able to do that. 367 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 2: I just don't think he's the dynamic player worth the 368 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: number three pick. You don't go four and thirteen to 369 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: take bo Nix, you don't go for and thirteen to 370 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: take JJ McCarthy. It's just it's not the right move. 371 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: If you're at eleven, it makes more sense. That's kind 372 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 2: of player you hope falls in your lap. I just 373 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: don't think he's worth that high pick. 374 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 4: So let's round out just the big names to talk 375 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 4: to the group. Michael Pennis last you know, last one 376 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 4: obviously had really nice game in the semifinals. Injury history, 377 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: big arm down the field. 378 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Paul. 379 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: I mean, he's certainly got some trade, but he's a 380 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: guy that seems kind of like he's fallen off a 381 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: little bit with. 382 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: The high quiet. Yeah, and the Patriots really haven't expressed 383 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: much interest or haven't had much of their interest publicized 384 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 3: at least around him. So but yeah, terrific passer. I think, 385 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 3: maybe arguably the best passer in the draft, but you 386 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: do not get the dynamic elements that most of these 387 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 3: other guys give you. 388 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, other than May, he's probably the most pinpoint accurate 389 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 5: on the deep ball. You know, him and May are 390 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 5: kind of in that category, and Caleb obviously too, but 391 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 5: I don't really count him because he's going to the Bears. 392 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 5: So you know, between the guys that are going to 393 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 5: be Patriots potentially, I'd say Penix is downfield throws and 394 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 5: just those absolutely perfect, pletely placed passes like the Penix 395 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: has that. The issues with Penix, other than the injuries, 396 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 5: of course, which you have to mention, is under pressure. 397 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 5: His accuracy and his velocity on the football dips when 398 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 5: he's got pressure in his face, he's got people at 399 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 5: his feet, things like that. We saw that in the 400 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 5: National Championship game. But it comes up in other pockets 401 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 5: when he was under pressure during the season against better teams, 402 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 5: he like an Oregon or something like that. So that 403 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 5: does happen with him. But if you put the injuries 404 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 5: to the side and you're a team that clears him 405 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 5: medically and feel good about him medically, which some teams 406 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 5: I think do, then you can convince yourself that he's 407 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 5: got that leadership, that it thing that we were talking 408 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 5: about with McCarthy a little bit. He's got good downfield 409 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 5: accuracy for the most part, so you know, you could 410 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: talk yourself into Michael Pennix. But based off of what 411 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 5: they've done pre draft, I just think it's risky to 412 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 5: take Penix without doing real homework on him. And maybe 413 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 5: it's all been private and maybe it's all been to 414 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 5: behind closed doors, but to not have him here for 415 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 5: a thirty visit, to not go to his pro day 416 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: with the big decision makers and all this kind of stuff, 417 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: it's I would I would be a little bit scared. Yeah, 418 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 5: he might be. 419 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: It's interesting. You can't ignore the injuries. But I think 420 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: the year before he had about third he won thirty 421 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: two touchdowns, falls up with thirty six. Kind of crazy. 422 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 2: Think what one game can do. He had the match 423 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: a game against Texas doesn't play as well in the final, 424 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 2: so it'd kind of be interesting where he'd be at 425 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: if that Texas game was the final game. But it 426 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: is risky, but he's one of those players if you 427 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: hit it could be good news for the franchise. 428 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 4: So it seems like, I mean some more than others, 429 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 4: but this hopefully the Patriots. One of these guys is 430 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 4: on the Patriots, like hopefully one of those top six. 431 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 4: But as we get down here, and I know Evan 432 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 4: you said before, like, I mean, it's just not a 433 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: great class after that kind of top six, and it's 434 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: just who kind of intrigues you a little bit. I 435 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: just throw out two names that I kind of like. 436 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 4: I mean, Joe Milton. I don't even know if I 437 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 4: like him. I'm just like, I just like watching him 438 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: chuck the deep can ignore, you know, and walk away 439 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 4: and just put the finger up. 440 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 3: Might be the best. 441 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to watch. And I 442 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 4: look at that as you know, it's a late round 443 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: guy where hey, I'm always a fan of drafting quarterbacks, 444 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: but you know, giving him a chance, like just to 445 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 4: come into training camp and watch him as like you 446 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 4: almost like JJ Taylor was, where I'm like, oh, he'll 447 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 4: be fun in training camp. He's never going to play 448 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: it down a meaningful down for the team, but at 449 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 4: least it'll make kind of make. 450 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 2: Some fun preseason games. And I think Milton would be 451 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: interesting in a year like the Kenny Pickett year where 452 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: there's not really that consensus. One guy, see what team 453 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: takes a reach on him. 454 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: He's got I mean, he's got trades. The other one, 455 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: I just you know, throw out Jordan Travis from Florida State, 456 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 4: who I know, you know, really undersize coming off a 457 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 4: big injury. But I just wonder. I just think there's 458 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: something there. 459 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: I just like him. 460 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: I like listening to him with the combine, you know, 461 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 4: but again, like this is like we're talking to day 462 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 4: three developmental guy. I don't know, Paul, you got any 463 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: comments on those guys or if there's other guys that 464 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: you know, just guys. 465 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: Are also both a little older, you know it had 466 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 3: a longer career. I think they both were in college 467 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: for six years. 468 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Travis is almost twenty four years. 469 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he had some time at Louisville before Florida State. 470 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: In Milton obviously at Michigan before Tennessee. I don't I 471 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: like Travis Moore. Milton has gotten opportunities to play and 472 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: not been overly productive. Travis was very productive. He was 473 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: very much in the Heisman Trophy running with Daniels this 474 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 3: year before he got suffered that injury. But the size 475 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: worries me to me, if you look down here, then 476 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: you're gonna roll the dice. It's Rattler, Spencer Rattler, who 477 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: I don't love. But the ability, I think the tools 478 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: combined with the production in college, I think at a 479 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: higher level. If you're going to roll the dice on 480 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: a mid mid round pick, I think he'd beat the guy. 481 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe Milton's not good at football, just like Joe 482 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 5: Milton is. If it's a Pro day, if it's a combine, 483 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 5: he's going to be the star of the show. When 484 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 5: you actually watch him play football, He's not good. 485 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: You know. 486 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: It's also a system that no one is really thrived in. Yeah, 487 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: Josh Hipel system in the NFL, it's a college system. 488 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 3: It's just that's what it is. 489 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 5: He's got a cannon of an arm. He's got size, 490 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 5: he's got athleticism, you know, in a lot of ways, 491 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 5: Like there's guys like that. You know Anthony Richardson, right, 492 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 5: But Anthony Richardson's got natural quarterback in stinks and ability 493 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 5: to play the game. Joe Milton is not like that. 494 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 5: I think that, you know, we did. I don't know 495 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 5: if we mentioned bo Nicks. You know, Boenix is probably 496 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,120 Speaker 5: skipped over the early day to guy. You know, I've 497 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 5: called him Vanilla ice Cream in the past, like he's 498 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 5: one of those guys with bow Knicks though that is 499 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 5: accurate and on time, and he's gonna hit the short 500 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 5: game and he's gonna do hit the layups in the offense. 501 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: He's not gonna do anything else. Like, it's not gonna 502 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 5: be it's not gonna be explosive, it's not gonna be fun. 503 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 5: It's not gonna be creative. But if you're just looking 504 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 5: for a distributor, a point guard at the position, and 505 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 5: bow Knicks has some ability to do that. I've heard, 506 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 5: you know, Alex Smith, you know, best case scenario maybe 507 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 5: like a Baker Mayfield, you know, like those types of 508 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 5: comps for him, he's a little bit more athletic than 509 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 5: like a mac Jones, Like he can run around a 510 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 5: little bit more so. He's got some skill. Spencer rattler, 511 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 5: I think has two things going for him. He's got 512 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 5: a huge arm. He's got natural arm talent, can flick 513 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 5: it from any platform, he's really got a good arm, 514 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 5: and he's got a decent feel for navigating pressure in 515 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 5: the pocket. You know, he's got some of that bob 516 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 5: and weave to him in the pocket. But he holds 517 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 5: the ball a lot. It doesn't see the field particularly 518 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 5: great and. 519 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: His skills a lot. Yeah, he has a lot of skill, 520 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: but he sometimes relies a little too much on him. 521 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's a shade over six feet tall, so 522 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 5: he's not the biggest guy either. I think great com 523 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 5: for him is Gardner Minshew. You know, you can see 524 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 5: that there is ability there. But is he ever going 525 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 5: to be the guy that is your guy, like this 526 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 5: is our franchise quarterback. Probably not, but I think he's 527 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 5: gonna kick around the league for like a decade as 528 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 5: like a high end backup type of player. 529 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 4: Any other guys, these these late round guys that. 530 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: Rattler was my other guy, Rattler Penix and Penix is 531 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: probably gonna go higher than Ratler, or hopefully he does. 532 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: But other than that, Drake Maybaby, anybody we missed? 533 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 3: Anyone else guy a little high on the. 534 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, Bradley from Southern Alabama or South Alabama, I don't 535 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 5: know which one it is. Carter Bradley, he's got he's athletic. 536 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 5: You know, he's a good athlete. He can run around 537 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 5: a little bit. You know, between him and Michael Pratt, 538 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 5: one of those guys is going to stick in the 539 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 5: league as the same kind of category as Spencer Rattler, 540 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 5: like a high end backup, low end starter, spot starter, 541 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 5: that type of player. Bradley probably available a little bit 542 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 5: later than Pratt. Pratt has a chance, I think to 543 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 5: be like a top one fifty pick. You know, he'd 544 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 5: probably go by the end of the fourth round. I 545 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 5: like Prat, Yeah, you know, he's he's not what you 546 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 5: think he is. Pratt Like you think that you're turning 547 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 5: on a tape of like a guy that just doesn't 548 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 5: have the physical tools but has the timing and the 549 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 5: rhythm down. He's actually the opposite, Like he's actually pretty 550 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 5: toolsy for a guy that went to that level of school. 551 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 5: But he's he's just not in the category of some 552 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 5: of these other guys in terms of physical ability, and 553 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 5: he's you know, the timing is not always great either, 554 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 5: so there's some developmental stuff that needs to be done there. 555 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 5: But he's bigger and stronger and faster than you would 556 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 5: think for for where he went to school. 557 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 3: I just wanted to bring those guys up for those 558 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: of you looking for the double dip. You know they're 559 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: going to get somebody in the first round and oh 560 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: it's the fifth round. You know what's let's do the 561 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins RG three. Pratt could be a you know, 562 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: a good pick for that. Yep, yeah, guy Brad a 563 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 3: good pick for that. 564 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 565 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 5: I think Pratt is the guy for that, not just 566 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: because he kind of looks like Kirk Cousin, but I 567 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: also do like that because I think that Rattler, Nicks, Pennix, 568 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 5: like those guys are going to be top one hundred picks. 569 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 5: So if you're really looking for the double dip, you're 570 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 5: thinking fourth or fifth round at the earliest is when 571 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 5: you're going to take the other quarterback. 572 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 4: All right, Well that's going to do it here for 573 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 4: all of our positional previews, certainly quarterback an important one. 574 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 4: Hopefully the Patriots are able to nab one of those 575 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: top prospects. So just over a week to go, folks, 576 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 4: We're getting close. 577 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: All right, guys, Thanks for tuning in. That wraps up 578 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: all of our positional prospect previews. Guys, the last show 579 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: is going to be a live show April twenty fourth, 580 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: the night before the draft, and we'll be live from 581 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 2: twelve to one pm. We're all going to be here 582 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 2: to go over everything. We might do a little live 583 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: mock draft, but we don't want to tease too much here. 584 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: But thanks for tuning in.