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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week, on

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Speaker 2: the show, we are discussing the increasing challenges of finding

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Speaker 2: free hunting permission in these days and specific strategies for

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Speaker 2: still being able to gain that access with our guest

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Speaker 2: Spencer Newhart. All right, welcome back to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: Love it and I love our topic and our guest

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Speaker 2: today on the podcast because we're talking about access. We

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Speaker 2: started this little mini series last week we talked about leases,

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Speaker 2: and now today we are talking about getting hunting permission,

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Speaker 2: free permission access to places to hunt, regardless of how

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Speaker 2: much money and what kind of resources you have available

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Speaker 2: to you. And I think this is obviously a very

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Speaker 2: very important topic It's something that I have been working

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Speaker 2: on for a whole lot of years trying to figure

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Speaker 2: out how to do this, and I think the general

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Speaker 2: consensus that most people are reaching now is that it's

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Speaker 2: getting harder. You know, when I started really getting into

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Speaker 2: this fifteen twenty years ago, the trying to gain permission

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Speaker 2: for myself, it was a lot harder then than it

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Speaker 2: was fifty years ago. And that trend continues as I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, just natural things are happening, there is high

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Speaker 2: demand for places to hunt, and when there's more people

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Speaker 2: all trying to find places to hunt in those increasingly rare, open,

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Speaker 2: undeveloped landscapes where you can hunt. So demand is going up,

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Speaker 2: supply is going down. Right, You're going to have challenges there.

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Speaker 2: So that is inevitable in our world, and this is

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Speaker 2: not going to change likely, So we need to continue

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Speaker 2: to find ways to get better at this, get creative

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Speaker 2: with this, have a plan in place to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we can still have locations to hunt. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we've got public land which we are so so fortunate

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Speaker 2: to have access to, and that continues to be an

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Speaker 2: incredible resource for US deer hunters and any kind of

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Speaker 2: hunter or angler but man, still there's something to be

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Speaker 2: said about finding a piece of private land that you

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Speaker 2: can get access to. You can stumble onto or find

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Speaker 2: or work really hard to get access to some great

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Speaker 2: stuff in this kind of way. So that's the plans.

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Speaker 2: We are going to break down specific strategies, specific tactics,

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Speaker 2: processes you can put in place to gain hunting permission.

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Speaker 2: And my guest is my pale and permission extraordinaire, Spencer Newharth.

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Speaker 2: You might remember him as a longtime co host of

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Speaker 2: mine and he ran our ret Fresh radio series for

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Speaker 2: many many years here at Wired to Hunt. He now

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Speaker 2: hosts the Meat Eater Trivia podcast, so he's still in

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Speaker 2: the media to universe. He's still in my world. We

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Speaker 2: just haven't got to hear from him as often here

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Speaker 2: on Wired Hunt. So I'm excited to have him back.

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Speaker 2: And he's a guy who's kind of specialized in getting

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Speaker 2: So that's what I'm excited about in this particular chat

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Speaker 2: because he can give us really good ideas on how

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Speaker 2: get access to it. He's got ideas about how to

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Speaker 2: get permission by knock it on doors. He's done it

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Speaker 2: by phone calls, he's done it through social media, and

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Speaker 2: he's done it through letter writing campaigns. Actually, so we

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Speaker 2: discuss all of those different approaches. So no matter if

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Speaker 2: of this chat. So that's the plan. I want to

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Speaker 2: I want to give you a few of my own

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Speaker 2: thoughts on this before we get Spencer on the line. Now.

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Speaker 2: Number one quick kind of public service announcement. Last heck,

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Speaker 2: first new Wired to Hunt merchandise in years. I had

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Speaker 2: a new hat that's being sold on the Mediator store.

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Speaker 2: this run, heading over to the meat eater dot com

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Speaker 2: if that's the case, hopefully they will be support to

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Speaker 2: because I just don't know what's coming next. So that's

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Speaker 2: the first heads up. Wired Hunt Hats are nearing zero

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Speaker 2: check them out now. And that's I guess that's really it.

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Speaker 2: There are two other things I suppose worth noting. The

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Speaker 2: to this. I think it's kicking off very very soon.

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Speaker 2: So if you are in the West part of the

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Speaker 2: United States, that's where the Mediator Live Tour is this year.

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Speaker 2: details on that. And then finally there's a new thing

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Speaker 2: that Mediator's launching called meat Eater Experiences. This is going

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Speaker 2: to be an opportunity for folks to join the Mediator crew,

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Speaker 2: people like Steve Jannis Cal myself and Tony even on

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Speaker 2: eater dot com as well. So that is it for

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Speaker 2: we're asking a lot, if you think about it, asking

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Speaker 2: the show, buddy.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Marcus. It's fun. You should just ask me back

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Speaker 3: more often. It's not as though I'm like turning down.

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Speaker 3: It's to be unwired to hunt. I feel like you

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Speaker 3: The worst thing that I've had happened, Yeah, I would

433
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: guess it's like encountering somebody who is anti hunting, or

434
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: someone who feels like they have to go over the

435
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: top to tell me no, you know, like almost insulting

436
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: or something like that, and and that can be unpleasant.

437
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: But nothing that's ever been like a disaster. And so

438
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: I guess. I guess the good news is if something

439
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: isn't sticking out to me as being like a really

440
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: bad scenario, then I think that says that bad things

441
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: don't happen all that often, I guess. And I feel

442
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 3: like I've contacted quite literally hundreds of landowners over the year,

443
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: and and you know, when it goes bad, it's not

444
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: all that bad. Yeah, I guess worst case scenario, nothing

445
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: nothing comes to mind for me.

446
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: So I'll give you one of my worst case scenarios

447
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: other than the cop one. Yeah, one time I was

448
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: with and this was kind of I was just on

449
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: the sidelines for this one sort of. But I was

450
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: with a buddy and we were driving around southern Ohio

451
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: trying to find a place to hunt. And there were

452
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: sometimes when we were worried that both of us going

453
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: up there at once would kind of be like overwhelming,

454
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: like too many people asking for too much permission. So

455
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: for most of them, he would lead, or I would

456
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: we take turns, and so on this house he led,

457
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: and he in particular had a belief, and there might

458
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: be truth to this that the more sketchy a looking

459
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: house it is, the better chance you have of getting

460
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: permission on the farm. Right, Because if you go to

461
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: like a really fancy, very expensive home and they've got

462
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: one hundred acres and you know, knock on that door,

463
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: like for sure they bought the place because they want

464
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: to use it for themselves or whatever. But you might

465
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: be able to find like that very rundown, middle of

466
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: nowhere place where you know they're very okay with whatever.

467
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: You know they're okay with it. They don't have a

468
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: bunch of people already there. They didn't buy this place

469
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: specifically because they wanted to kill huge giant bucks whatever

470
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: they've just been there. So his angle was like, we

471
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: seek out that kind of place. And so I just

472
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 2: remember this one particular place like it was you know,

473
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: like missing windows, hadn't been painted in forty years. There's

474
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: every old tractor, every old car, every old bicycle that

475
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: this family had owned for fifty years in the lawn,

476
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: goes up to the front door. A gentleman opens the

477
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: door in his underwear still and like a very stained

478
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: wife beater. And then my buddy, he asked him into

479
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: his house, and so you can't say no to that. Yeah,

480
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: So then he goes into the house and I can't

481
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 2: see what's going on anymore. And so I'm sitting there saying, okay,

482
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: like it looked like, you know, just like it just

483
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: kind of looked like the beginning of like one of

484
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: those movies where someone doesn't come out of the house.

485
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems very cinematic.

486
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I just remember thinking like after ten minutes,

487
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: like do I need to get up and go check?

488
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: And then after fifteen minutes, like do I need to

489
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: be worried? After like twenty minutes like I'm thinking, seriously, okay,

490
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: I should just go walk up there and like try

491
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: to you know, it's probably fine, they're probably in there

492
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: having coffee or talking, but I probably need to like

493
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: just check on the situation. So I just remember for

494
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: twenty minutes stressing about like what's going on, and then finally,

495
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: right before I was about to go and get in there,

496
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: they came back out and then I wasn't. I was

497
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: waved in, and then you know, from there it was fine.

498
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: But you just find yourself in all sorts of kind

499
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: of interesting or awkward or strange situations. When did you

500
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: get permission? We did not get permission?

501
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 3: Oh so what what was going on for that twenty minutes?

502
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: Just want a chit chat?

503
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: Okay?

504
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: Like I found that a lot, like when you especially

505
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: a certain parts of the country that aren't as busy.

506
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 2: I think, like, right, if you live far out there, yep,

507
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: you don't have a lot of visitors. So sometimes we

508
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: would have people that just want to talk or like

509
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: they'll hear you out and then they tell you about

510
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: Bob and their uncle who so and so, and like

511
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: before you know, you just never know where those conversations

512
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 2: are going to go. And I've always thought you never

513
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: rush yourself thought of it sure, Like one thing I've

514
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: learned over the years is like, if they want to chat,

515
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: let them chat. Be polite, be respectful, Like you push

516
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: yourself on them in the first place, you know, don't

517
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: be rude pushing yourself out, and then at the same time,

518
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: you never know what might happen. Like I've had situations

519
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: where they say no it first, but then they just

520
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: keep talking and keep talking and they get to know

521
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: you a little bit more, and you're there an hour

522
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: and you've told them your life story and they've told

523
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: you their life story, and by the end of it,

524
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, you know what, Yeah, sure you could

525
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: hunt yep. So that's all a long winded way of

526
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: getting to what I really wanted to ask you about, Spencer,

527
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: which is you've been through the ringer. You've done it

528
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: for many years since high school. Where have you landed?

529
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: I think I know, But where have you landed as

530
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: far as what you think is your preferred mode now

531
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: of getting permission?

532
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: My preferred mode? I think it is hardest to turn

533
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: me down in person if I am, like, you know,

534
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: a person to person exchange at their front door or

535
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: something that seems to be where I have the most success.

536
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: And if I were to like think about the ways

537
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: that I have the best odds of getting permission, I

538
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: would say, face to face are the best odds for me.

539
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: At the bottom of the list is probably like the

540
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: most indirect, which would be probably letter writing. I send

541
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: Facebook messages to folks if I can find a landowner

542
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: on Facebook. Those things have worked out for me, but

543
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: at a lower rate than face to face. And then

544
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: somewhere in between there would be making a phone call.

545
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: That that's, you know, between face to face and between

546
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: sending a digital message or a or a physical letter

547
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: would be a phone call. So if if I'm local

548
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: to the area, I prefer to go talk to them.

549
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: If that's not the case, I prefer to call them

550
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: on the phone. And in other situations I will send

551
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: them a Facebook message. And then in like very specific examples,

552
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: I will shotgun out a bunch of letters to people

553
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: to which you know, I feel like the last time

554
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: I did that was a couple of years ago here

555
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: in Montana, and I think I sent out it was

556
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: like one hundred and eleven or one hundred and eighteen

557
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: letters something like that, and I think of that one eighteen,

558
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: I had gotten three permissions where I got access to

559
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 3: hunt something, and I feel like I only heard back

560
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: from probably like ten to twenty people. And then the

561
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: other you know, that leaves about one hundred letters that

562
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: were just totally unanswered. And that's fine. And there's like

563
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: pros and cons to any approach. And the pro to

564
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: that was I could contact a ton of people at once.

565
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: The con was that I was likely never going to

566
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: hear back. But it's just it's just one approach. I

567
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: don't put all my eggs in one Pacific basket, but

568
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: prefer face to face. But I'll try anything, all.

569
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Right, I want to. I want to dig into all

570
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: of those. But you ended with the letter thing, and

571
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: the letter thing is something that I think you're kind

572
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: of known for a little bit that's a little bit

573
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: more unique. So that's not bad. Like you send out

574
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighteen letters, you got three permissions, Like

575
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: I know the percentage rate isn't good, but you got

576
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: three new permissions like that, Like a lot of folks

577
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: would be stoked to get permission on three new properties

578
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: in a year. Yeh, what was the lift? Like how

579
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: long does it take you to send out one hundred

580
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: and eighteen letters? Are we talking like hours and hours

581
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: or days and days and days or is this like

582
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: I put in four hours and I got three new properties.

583
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, some parts of it, or like a grueling process

584
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 3: like finding one hundred and eighteen properties that you want

585
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: to hunt, that is a ton of time on on X.

586
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: Sometimes I will like dedicate hours on a Saturday morning

587
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: to be on my computer and find places that I'd

588
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: be interested in hunting. You know, I will label those

589
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: with a very specific pin on on X I think

590
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: I do like a purple X or whatever, like this

591
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: is a place I'm interested in, right, And then actually

592
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: writing the addresses down is another thing. Maybe at this

593
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: point with like AI, there's a quicker way to do this,

594
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: and you could like mass produce some letterhead with the

595
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: addresses on it. You know as of like three years

596
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: ago that that wasn't the case for me. And so

597
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: you're spending a ton of hours just finding one hundred

598
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 3: and eighteen properties, and then you're spending a lot of

599
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 3: hours like writing somebody's address on a letter. Actually writing

600
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: the letter that probably took me a couple hours as well.

601
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: And this that was the approach I took. They were

602
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: they weren't specific to landowners. In fact, I heard back

603
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: from a landowner who said that he didn't like how

604
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: he knew it was very impersonal because I started off

605
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: with dear landowner, which he had correctly identified that I

606
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: was reaching out to a ton of folks, and and

607
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: he didn't like that. And and you know, not that

608
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: I would have gotten permission if I would have put

609
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: like dear mark on it, but you know, that lowered

610
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: my odds as well, not making them personalized. And so

611
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: I think if I were to do it again, I

612
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: would probably go to a smaller list of landowners and

613
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: make them more personalized. I think that would of my odds.

614
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: But as far as the the input into the thing,

615
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 3: it's yeah, days of work to identify the properties, hours

616
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: of work to address the envelopes, and then it's it's

617
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: very quick beyond that to add the stamps and drop

618
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: them off to the post office. But it's again, it's

619
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: a thing you can do, like from your kitchen table

620
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: at home, which makes it valuable in its own way.

621
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your criteria when you're looking at onyx to

622
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: choose these properties that you want to get access to

623
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: from afar, because like, there's a place that you've not

624
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: been able to see before. So what are you looking

625
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: for when you're going through that process.

626
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: I think naturally folks are being inclined to pick out

627
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 3: the best deer hunting properties, which is what I did

628
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: as well when I started seeking properties in college. And

629
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: I remember like the first day I had to hype

630
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: myself out to go out and knock on doors. I

631
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: was picking out like the twenty five, you know, best

632
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: properties in the area, and I didn't get a single permission.

633
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: And I look back on that now and I'm like, well, duh,

634
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: you know, if it looked that good, if it was

635
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: a manicured property, other folks who are already hunting it

636
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: either for themselves or or they have a neighbor or

637
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: a nephew or a cousin, whatever that may be. So

638
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: I'd lower my like criteria for a good deer property

639
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: if you were to grade them A, B, C, D.

640
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: I'm almost never sending out letters for a's you know,

641
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: B is more rare, But most commonly I'm looking for

642
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: properties that you would say, this is like a sea

643
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: on a school grading scale for how good it might

644
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: be for deer hunting, because I think less folks are

645
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: then asking that person hunt, it's less likely that they

646
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: hunt it themselves, and that's good for you if you're

647
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: looking for permission. The other thing is this is something

648
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: that's become more popular for me because I live in

649
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: a place that does have a lot of public land.

650
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: Probably like thirty or forty percent of the time, I'm

651
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: asking a landowner if I can use their property to

652
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 3: backdoor a piece of public land that is otherwise very

653
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: difficult to get into. And I've had a lot of

654
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: success with that. It's a much lower ask for them,

655
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: you know, and I make it very clear they're like,

656
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm not asking to hunt your place. I would just

657
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: be crossing your property on foot to get to the

658
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: public land that I am looking to hunt. And I've

659
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: even had like those situations turned into yeah, and if

660
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 3: you'd like to, you can also hunt on my side

661
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 3: of the fence. So that's that's the other thing. Sometimes

662
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 3: it's it's less about looking for the piece of private

663
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: land that you want to hunt and more about finding

664
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: the piece of private land that gets you to a

665
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: good piece of public land that others don't have access to.

666
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: So that's that's you know, my evolution of asking for

667
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: permissions are looking for sea properties and looking for properties

668
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 3: that get me access to a piece of public And

669
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: then the other thing is if I do get a

670
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: yes from a landowner, that is very powerful locally forgetting

671
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: other permissions. I've had that that snowball a lot. I

672
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: had this happen in Wyoming where I went and asked

673
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: the landowner to hunt, and he had a few thousand

674
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: acres and then he said, well, my brother also owns,

675
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: you know, the neighboring farm, and you can hunt that place.

676
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: And so immediately I unlocked, you know, a couple more

677
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: properties that way. And then I go talk to that

678
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: person's neighbor and I say, hey, you know, I'm around

679
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: here for a few days. I'm deer hunting. I'm from Montana,

680
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: and I actually got permission from your neighbor, Mark Kenyon,

681
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: to let me hunt, and I was wondering if I

682
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: could haunt your place as well. And that is sort

683
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: of me telling that landowner that their neighbor feels comfortable

684
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: with me being on their land, and and that like

685
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: really helps my success. You're significantly more likely to get

686
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: permission on a neighbor's land if their neighbor has also

687
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 3: let you hunt, and so that becomes like an all

688
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: hands on deck situation for me. If if I get

689
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: permission out of place, I'm now bugging all the neighbors

690
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: and whatever else is local. If I think that that

691
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: landowner's name is going to be recognized when I talk

692
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: to that.

693
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: Other person, Yeah, I've had some kind of a similar

694
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: thing happen, but with a no. So when whenever I

695
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: get a no on a random door knock, I always

696
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: end by asking them, Hey, you know, is there anybody

697
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: else in the area that you might think would be

698
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: more willing to allow someone like me to go out

699
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 2: there and bohunt? And if ever I get well, yeah,

700
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: you should try Bill down the road like I always

701
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: go there, And then I can open with like the referral, like, hey,

702
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: my name is Mark. You know Bob down the street

703
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: mentioned I was just talking to Bob. Bob mentioned I

704
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: should come, you know, check in with you about YadA YadA,

705
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: YadA YadA, and so kind of implicitly there's a little

706
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: bit of a connection there too, Like anytime I feel

707
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: like you can make it seem like you will have

708
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: a connection to the community or like some kind of

709
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: reason to be there. Like if if I'm doing this locally,

710
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, I live down on X Street. Can

711
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: I YadA YadA YadA? Or I know my buddy Ross

712
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 2: lives and hunts down on one hundred and fifteenth Street

713
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: or whatever? Can I Like I always lead with anything,

714
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: I kind of connect me to some kind of reference point.

715
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: I guess what I'm looking for here, and that seems

716
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: to help some Yeah.

717
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: It gives you a local tie that you may not

718
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: otherwise have. And like I said, I think it just

719
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 3: makes that landowner more comfortable if they know that another

720
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: landowner was comfortable enough to let you hunt.

721
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now back to the letters. So you established how

722
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: you find all these properties. What's actually in that letter?

723
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: So I know you've used the generic missed dear landowner,

724
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 2: which doesn't work as well. So you said you would

725
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: go more specific, more personable. What would you recommend including

726
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: in that letter now that you've learned a few tough lessons,

727
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: but at the same time you've had success to.

728
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I keep it one page for sure. I don't

729
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 3: want to go beyond that because I think it's less

730
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: likely that they'll finish the dang thing. In that case,

731
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: I'll open up and I'll tell them who I am.

732
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: I don't say anything about my career because I've found

733
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: that in some cases that makes people more uncomfortable. I've

734
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: I've lost permission on like a farm in Wyoming to

735
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: haunt because we were filming one week in November one time,

736
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: and I had to get them to sign a film

737
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: release to allow us to like film on their piece

738
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: of land, which is something we have to go through

739
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: for we're filming a hunt rights, whether it's on public

740
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: land or private land, we have to have film releases side.

741
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: And those are kind of intimidating documents, right, They're like

742
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: six pages, and it's it's a big land. It's a

743
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: big ask for that landowner. And so there was one

744
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: property where I used to have permission when I wasn't filming,

745
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: and then we came there to film one week in

746
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: November one time, and I lost permission to hunt that

747
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 3: place because it made them very uneasy having a cameraman around.

748
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: And so I don't. I don't tell folks what I

749
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: do at all. That would be different. I think if

750
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 3: you had a more admirable career, if you were a

751
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: teacher or in the military, or if you were a

752
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: first responder, tell folks that that that you do that thing.

753
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 3: I think that would up be odds of getting permission.

754
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: So anyway, I tell folks who I am, I say

755
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: where I live. When it comes to saying where I live, Uh,

756
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Bozeman has a certain reputation, So I don't say Boseman.

757
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 3: We have like a sleeper community outside of Bozeman called Belgrade.

758
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: I say I'm from Belgrade, Montana, and people won't recognize

759
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: that name, which is good in this case. Then they

760
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: assume it. It's like a small, uh, you know, a

761
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: small community. But Bozeman has a different reputation. That is,

762
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: if someone has like thoughts about that place, uh, you know,

763
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: they're probably negative. And so I don't say I'm from Bozeman.

764
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: And again, if if you're I would think about that too.

765
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: Probably every state, you know, certain communities have reputations. Certain

766
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: license plates have reputations. I lived in the biggest city

767
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: in South Dakota for a little while, that was Sue Falls,

768
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: and those people have license plates that have a one

769
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: on them, right. And you know, whenever you're out hunting

770
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: and you see somebody with a one license plate. So

771
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: you're like, you know that damn person or whatever. Yeah, exactly,

772
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: and you know it means nothing, but it does to

773
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: some people. And say I don't. I wouldn't say I'm

774
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: from Sioux Falls. I would say I grew up in

775
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: a small town called Menno, And so I'd think about that.

776
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: How you're presenting you know, where you live, what your

777
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: career is. I think if you have children who are

778
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: interested in hunting, I think that's very powerful. I don't,

779
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: but if I did, if I had, you know, you know,

780
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: my twelve year old this year is hoping to get

781
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 3: his first year. I think that would make a landowner

782
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 3: far more willing to let you hunt. So I'll tell folks,

783
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: tell folks who I am. I'll then explain, you know,

784
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 3: why I'm reaching out to this person, because you never

785
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: get letters from strangers anymore, at least I don't, and

786
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: so you know, it's already kind of a unique experience

787
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: that they're getting a letter. And I'll tell them, you know,

788
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: I'm a deer hunter from Montana and I'd love to

789
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: come hunt this place this year. I actually drew a tag.

790
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: I'll tell them, you know, when I plan to be

791
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: there and like for how many days. I think that's

792
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 3: very important. There's a difference in asking for hunting permission

793
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 3: for an entire season, which you know, if it's archery, uh,

794
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: that's like three months in some states. But if I

795
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: say I'm going to be there for this four day window, uh,

796
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: that's a very different ask than just asking for hunting

797
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: experience or hunting permission in general. I'll say that, you know,

798
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: I'm a very respectful hunter. I'm willing to provide like

799
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: land owner references if they're interested, which I think is

800
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: a a good message to send. But I've never had

801
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: anybody take me up on that in my entire life.

802
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: It's sort of an empty gesture. I would totally do

803
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 3: it if someone's like, yeah, you know, if you could,

804
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: you know, give me a few landowners who whose ground

805
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: you've hunted before. But I think it's signaling to them

806
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: that that I am like comfortable, or that that I've

807
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: hunted private property in the past and I haven't had,

808
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: you know, bad experiences, And I'm willing to let you

809
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: talk to folks who would back that up. And so yeah,

810
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: I explain who I am, I explain why I'm sending

811
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: them this letter. I try to again explain more about

812
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: you know, my values and tell them that I will

813
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 3: provide references if they would like that. I'm usually I

814
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: don't think my letters message like send this message as well,

815
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: but in in person or on the phone, you know,

816
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: I tell them that, like it's a beautiful p like

817
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 3: is it deer hunter? You know, I would be stoked

818
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: to haunt this place. And and you know, growing up

819
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: around of a lot of landowners in a farming community,

820
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: I don't think often they're told that like, uh, you know,

821
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 3: this cornfield is a beautiful property, but in my eyes

822
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 3: it is I'm not lying when I say that, that's

823
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, that's how I do feel about it. Yeah,

824
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: and then and then I thank them for their time

825
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: and and uh yeah, I try to keep it, keep

826
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: it one page.

827
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: Is your Facebook or social media message strategy or you know,

828
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: actual like the letter that you include in that, Is

829
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: that in any way different or same spiel?

830
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: Uh yeah. If I'm if I'm reaching out to somebody

831
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: on Facebook messenger, that is very personal, right, you know,

832
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: it's like deer Cynthia, you know, uh, hey, I know

833
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: this is a weird message request, but I have a

834
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: deer tag four your area, you know, and I'll go

835
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: on to sort of give the same message that I

836
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: gave before, and I'll be very specific about the priece

837
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: of property that I'm referencing, because in a lot of

838
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: cases people own multiple properties, and so if you're not

839
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: direct about which one it is, when it's you know,

840
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: this many acres off this road, it just like invites

841
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: some confusion off the bat. So in that case, yeah,

842
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: it's a lot more personal.

843
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 2: Okay, So one more fop on the letter thing. I

844
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: guess I'm just curious about, like after you get the hit,

845
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: So you get the hits, you sign one hundred and eighteen,

846
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: you get three yes's back they respond. My assumption is

847
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: that then you guys have a phone call or something,

848
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: talk about some more details, you specify when you're gonna

849
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: come out there, and then you guys meet up in person.

850
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 2: Is that right? Or do you have these things different

851
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: than that.

852
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm always offering to meet up in person,

853
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: and I leave them a lot of ways to get

854
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: a hold of me, you know. I give them my

855
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: phone number, tell them they can call me, or they

856
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: can text me. I give them my email, tell them

857
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: they can email me and then I give them my

858
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 3: address and if they want to write a letter back,

859
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: they can do that. In most cases, yeah, I will

860
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: meet up with the landowner and uh yeah, coordinate that way.

861
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of coordinating that goes on. So

862
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 3: I can you know, shake their hand in person and

863
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 3: and maybe get a lay of the land if there

864
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: happens to be something confusing with with boundaries or whatever.

865
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: But I I sort of, you know, leave it up

866
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: to them. I I I will love to meet in person,

867
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: but some landowners are are so you know, comfortable at

868
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: that point that they're like, uh okay, yeah, uh you know,

869
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 3: whenever you want to be okay, it sounds good. Another

870
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: thing when I am identifying properties, something I just thought

871
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: of that I do a lot is I look for

872
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: absentee landowners and so if I am if I'm hunting

873
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: in Wyoming, it is a huge bonus for me if

874
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 3: they have an OT of state address. I feel like

875
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,959
Speaker 3: I've had more luck in those scenarios because I think

876
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: those people tend to be harder to track down, especially

877
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: if you're there in person, and and because my preference

878
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: is to knock on their door. Those are a lot

879
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: of cases where if the landowner lives in Iowa but

880
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: their property is in Montana, you know, this is one

881
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: of the only ways to reach them, and so I

882
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 3: think there's less folks bugging them for hunting permission in

883
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: that case. So I really like targeting absentee landowners.

884
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: And you're saying that's for the letter strategy.

885
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: Or phone calls or Facebook messages. Yeah, obviously I can't

886
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: knock on their door in those cases, but when it

887
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: comes to like an indirect way of reaching out, yeah,

888
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: I like absentee landowners a lot.

889
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pivot to the actual you have to talk

890
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: to a person strategy. So you already described how you

891
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: pick your properties, but is it different at all when

892
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: you are actually going to go up to the house, Like,

893
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: do you in any way pick different properties when you

894
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: are somewhat local or you're going to be there at

895
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: some point and can show up in person, or are

896
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: you doing the same thing looking for C grade properties

897
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: looking for the stuff you said.

898
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's almost always the same thing. And ideally

899
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 3: when it's an in person deal, the address like matches

900
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: the actual property itself, because then that probably means that

901
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: they're a farmer or that they actually work on the

902
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: land and if I swing by at a two pm

903
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, they're probably home. But if that landowner

904
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: has a suburban address, you know, it's more likely that

905
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: they work in nine to five and they're going to

906
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: be harder to get a hold of. So yeah, I

907
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: hope that their home is on the property and that

908
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: makes it much easier to get a hold of them.

909
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: All Right, So you're local, you're in Wyoming or South

910
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: Dakota or whatever you have found to see grade list.

911
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: What's your spiel? Some folks like to go up there

912
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: and just bs for a while and then they mentioned, no,

913
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm also looking for this. Some folks dive right into it.

914
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: What's your take?

915
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to not waste their time, which I'm

916
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: not saying that's the way that's It's just my preferred

917
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: way of doing it. But I'd be like, uh, you know,

918
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: knock on your door and I'd be like be like, hey,

919
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 3: are you Are you Mark Kenyan and be like yep,

920
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: and be like hi, Mike. My name is spent in

921
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: New Art. I'm from Belgrade, Montana. I'm down here deer

922
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: hunting for the next three days. And again I think

923
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 3: it's very important to like lay out your timeline because

924
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: saying that you're there for the next three days and

925
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: hunting is very different than just asking for three months

926
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 3: worth of permission. So I say, you know, I'm here

927
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: for the next three days deer hunting, and you know

928
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: your place looks like you would probably have some deer.

929
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: And I was wondering if if you let people hunt

930
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: it all, and if so, if I could uh have

931
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: hunting permission? I don't. I don't think I have a

932
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: you know, something that's like memorized like I'm an actor,

933
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: but it's it's close to you know what I just

934
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 3: delivered to you there.

935
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: Why is it so hard for people to say no

936
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 2: to you in person? You mentioned that that's the case?

937
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it? Do you swoop in with the

938
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: voice and you give them like the to give them

939
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: the eye and then you say, hey, that's where you are?

940
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: What is it?

941
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: Well, for one, they just like for one they have

942
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: to answer me, right, whereas with I said, you know,

943
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: writing a letter, they can just crumble it up and

944
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: throw it in the garbage and never think about it again.

945
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: And I think that's often what does happen Uh, same

946
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: with an email or a Facebook message or if I

947
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: leave that person of voicemail, it's it's just so easy

948
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: to ignore me. And so one I'm I'm going to

949
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: get an answer, and then I think, you know, it's

950
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: it's one of the reasons I prefer solo hunting as well.

951
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: I think it is it's so much less intimidating when

952
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: I tell them it's just me, it's not me and

953
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: my buddy, it's not me, and like a party of

954
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 3: three other guys. And so I think that's also important.

955
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 3: They can see my truck, they know what my truck

956
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: looks like at that moment that you know, they'll have

957
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: an easier time identifying, you know, like who this stranger

958
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: is on their property. So I think it's I think

959
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: it's all those factors together. And and it's just, you know,

960
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 3: harder to give somebody bad news in person, which is

961
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: ultimately what they're doing. Right, Like I'm I'm looking for

962
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: a yes, and it's you know, harder for them to

963
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: tell me no. And a lot of times, you know,

964
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: you can like sort of sense that dread from that

965
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 3: landowner you're talking to. They're like, oh, I'm really sorry,

966
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: but actually and then they'll you know, provide whatever. Uh,

967
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: you know, their their valid excuses. And so I think

968
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 3: it's all those factors baked it bake into you know

969
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 3: that it really ups your odds if you're there face

970
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: to face.

971
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so I wouldn't call these tricks, but the

972
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: but like little little things that help, Like I like

973
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: I mentioned that I'll always try to find a reference

974
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: point somehow connect me to the area. I'll always you know,

975
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 2: never end a conversation if they want to keep going

976
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: with it, right, because you never know what might happen

977
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 2: by the end of it. The little trick I mentioned

978
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: where I'll always ask them to refer me to the

979
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: next place. Yep, those are a few like my little

980
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: things that have worked. Do you have any other little

981
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: tricks or angles or like best practices that have kind

982
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: of helped you above and beyond what we've talked about.

983
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I think I think all those things that

984
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: I've mentioned already are of my tricks. Again, Like it

985
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 3: helps if you're there on your own, or if you

986
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: have like a kid who wants to hunt, that's probably

987
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: a scenario where it is better to have more people there. Yeah,

988
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: I think what do you wear I don't think about

989
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: that too much. I know a lot of guys say

990
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: that they don't like to wear their camo. I've tried

991
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: to like identify if that helps or hurts my odds,

992
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: and I don't think it. I don't think it does either.

993
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: One.

994
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: So if I happen to be wearing camo, you know,

995
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: like I'll wear the camo that I have on while

996
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm there. I think something that benefits me is I

997
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: I did grow up in a small farming community of

998
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 3: six hundred people, and you know, I knew every farmer

999
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: in the area, and a lot of my family farmed,

1000
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: and so I can speak a little bit of farm,

1001
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: not a lot, but like to a certain level, I

1002
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: can speak farm with the farm.

1003
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: Can you give me an example? Can you give me

1004
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: an example? Uh?

1005
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, just whatever's like seasonal at that time. I'd be like, oh, so,

1006
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: you know, you guys, you know, talk about the harvest

1007
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: or if it happens to be calving season, uh, talk

1008
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 3: about calving a little bit or whatever. I don't know

1009
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 3: that I can give specific exams.

1010
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: That's a nice that's a nice bushel you got over there.

1011
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, there you go. That's that's a good example,

1012
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: but I can I can, like you know, it's always

1013
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: specific to whatever's happening there, but I can speak a

1014
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: little bit of farm, and I think that happens as well,

1015
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: because again, in these scenarios, you know, it's better for

1016
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 3: them to not think of me as a stranger for

1017
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: bo from Bozeman, And if I can uh talk a

1018
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: little farm with them about harvest or cattle or grain

1019
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: prices or whatever, that's to my benefit. And I think that,

1020
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 3: you know, makes them more comfortable with the whole situation

1021
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 3: that I'm not going to like ruin their fence or

1022
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: do something totally idiotic like that.

1023
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent agree. So you you gave me

1024
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: a perfect segue to the last thing I want to

1025
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: ask you about. You've hunted a lot of different places

1026
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: now by permission, met with a lot of different landowners.

1027
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 2: I think a really important thing that anyone who wants

1028
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: to get permission to hunt somebody else's land needs to

1029
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: really think about is how to make sure that you

1030
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: use that person's land respectfully. Right, Can you leave us

1031
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: with a few of your best practices for making sure

1032
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 2: that you maintain a good relationship with the landowner and

1033
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: use their proper their property, respectfully, properly in the ways

1034
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: they want.

1035
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one of the biggest things most landowners

1036
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: are concerned about, like where you're driving. And I will

1037
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: like basically newter that conversation before it can happen and

1038
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 3: tell them to like, yeah, I'm just I'm just looking

1039
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: to walk, you know, I'm not going to be driving anywhere.

1040
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: And and so I think, uh, in a lot of cases,

1041
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: even the land room and be like, yeah, you know,

1042
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: there's there's paths all over you can take or whatever,

1043
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: or just like you know, watch when you drive through

1044
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: that one pasture, there's there's some ruts. So I tell

1045
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: them I'm not going to drive anywhere. Yeah, I think

1046
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: if you know, be be conscious about conditions. One of

1047
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: the worst things you can do is if you are

1048
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 3: driving around if they have like a dirt road that

1049
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 3: they themselves are responsible for maintaining, Uh, don't drive down

1050
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: it when it's muddy or something like that. You're going

1051
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: to create ruts that are a problem. Then as soon

1052
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 3: as that drives and until like the landowner comes through

1053
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 3: and fixes that. So yeah, I think foot traffic is

1054
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: very important to these people. So know that you know

1055
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: you're you're still going to be walking, yeah, being by yourself.

1056
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: I think if you can be specific about where you

1057
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: know you'd like to hunt, or what part of the

1058
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 3: property you're interested in, Uh, that'll lease their mind about

1059
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: shooting one of their horses or their cattle or something

1060
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: like that.

1061
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: Make sure you don't shoot when there's a house behind

1062
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: where you're shooting.

1063
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: Yes, I've I've I've heard that. Is that strong advice

1064
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 3: that shouldn't do that?

1065
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: Yep, at least from the camera, right, Yep. Man, No,

1066
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: this is a really really good advice, buddy. I think.

1067
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: I think maybe what's to my advantage the most is

1068
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: I am often hunting in places where, uh, the white

1069
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: tail is significantly less respected than in other parts of

1070
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: the country. It's it's the reason I love Western white

1071
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: tails and why when I'm planning my fall, I'm often

1072
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: hunting west of the Missouri River, right. I love hunting

1073
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: in the Dakotas and Nebraska and Montana and Wyoming. And

1074
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: this year I got a white tail tag for Idaho.

1075
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 3: And my plan for Idaho is to knock on a

1076
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: lot of doors and and get permissions because.

1077
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: Don't come to my place.

1078
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 3: Okay, they're not gonna find uh find on X and

1079
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna knock on Mark Kenyon's door. But these

1080
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: people just get here. They tend to really not care

1081
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: about white tails. Well, I shouldn't say. In some cases,

1082
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: you're you're far more likely to find a landowner who's like, uh, yeah,

1083
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: you want to hunt white tails? Go ahead, Yeah, I

1084
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: don't care. If I was asking for elk hunting permission, right,

1085
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: that'd be a totally different story. And I don't. I've

1086
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: never asked for elk hunting permission anywhere because I think,

1087
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: you know, that'd be the equivalent of asking for white

1088
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: tail hunting permission in like northern Missouri or southern Iowa.

1089
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: It's just significantly less likely to happen in a place

1090
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 3: where the white tails held to a very high regard.

1091
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: And so that's you know why I love hunting white

1092
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: tails out here. You're just generally dealing with folks who

1093
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 3: don't give a crap, And you'll often hear the the

1094
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: line that's like, uh, sure, but you know you can

1095
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: only haunt if you shoot five of them or something

1096
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: like that, just because it's in some cases it's uh,

1097
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 3: their stance on white tails is not only neutral but

1098
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: it's negative like, yeah, you know, they're they're driving out

1099
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: the mule deer, they're eating all my hay bales or whatever,

1100
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 3: and so that's you know, I think for the listeners,

1101
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 3: know that that should be the lens you see it through.

1102
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: And I'm when I'm giving this advice is I'm I'm

1103
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: often getting a enormous head start by seeking white tail

1104
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: hunting permission in the places that I do.

1105
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but didn't I mean your stuff worked in Texas

1106
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: even too, right.

1107
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: That that was a weird situation where, yeah, I I

1108
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 3: sent out letters to Texas landowners, which was a different as.

1109
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: That seems very low odds.

1110
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, what ended up happening was a landowner that

1111
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: I got permission from in Montana happened to also have

1112
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: land in Texas. Uh that I that I went down

1113
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: and I haunted. But I also I tried Texas. It

1114
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: wasn't near as successful. And I lived in Illinois for

1115
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: a while, right, And that's that was the hardest place

1116
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 3: for me to get permission. In fact, I got zero

1117
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: permission when I lived in Illinois. So the advice that

1118
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 3: I'm giving has worked for left of the Missouri River,

1119
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: but it's probably less likely to work on the right side.

1120
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: But you know, there's certainly things that that you can

1121
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 3: do that would be very specific to your region to

1122
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: work in it. I think the last thing I would

1123
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 3: say is, you know, I feel like in the business

1124
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: world they say like always be networking or whatever. That's

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01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: how I am with hunting permissions. When I'm at a

1126
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: wedding and you know, the small talk starts with a stranger,

1127
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: I'm always like trying to feel them out for if

1128
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: they own land or not. If I'm at a bar

1129
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: and I belly up next to somebody who you know,

1130
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 3: start talking to, I'm always always looking for hunting permission,

1131
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: and so I think that's something to do no matter

1132
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: what part of the country you live in.

1133
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, very very good advice. And I want to

1134
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: make a point to say that even though your experience

1135
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: set has been west of the Mississippi River, he's a

1136
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: Mississippi everything you said absolutely works east of it too.

1137
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: Like you're very much in line with my approach in

1138
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, and it has worked east of

1139
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 2: the Mississippi. It's just like it's a numbers game that

1140
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: is different, So it might might work one out of

1141
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: ten times for you west and it might work, you know,

1142
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: one out of one hundred times to the east. So

1143
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of like you just have to

1144
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 2: have a larger sample size when you're trying to do

1145
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: it out here. Yep. But I think it's really really

1146
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 2: good advice. So I appreciate you sharing this, Spencer, and

1147
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: I do want to give you a chance. Do you

1148
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: want to plug any specific trivia episodes? Is there anything

1149
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: fun coming up in the trivia world the game anything else?

1150
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 2: Can you plug something coming on the game game yet.

1151
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: Or no now yet? We you know, we came out

1152
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: with the board game last fall, and I'll say this,

1153
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: there are more new trivia related board game products coming

1154
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 3: out this fall. You know, will probably announce him this

1155
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: summer and they'll be for sale in October or November.

1156
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 3: And I hope that they'll find a place in your

1157
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: deer camp. And if you don't have a deer camp,

1158
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: I hope they'll find a place in the glove box

1159
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: of your pickup. Because this game is mobile. It was

1160
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 3: made by a deer hunter for deer hunters, and it's

1161
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 3: not exclusively for the kitchen table. It can go wherever

1162
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: you go. And our products coming out this year will

1163
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 3: also reflect that.

1164
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,479
Speaker 2: Awesome man well, great job with the podcast, great job

1165
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: with the board game. We are going to be playing

1166
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: it at our Turkey camp compared in a few weeks,

1167
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: So it will it will find its way to probably

1168
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: the top of a cooler or something in a barn.

1169
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: Good with a bunch of guys hunts to hear.

1170
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: That last thing I would say, Mark, is when it

1171
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 3: happens for you and you get permission and you've hunted

1172
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: their place, just like, go way way over the top

1173
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 3: with how excited you are and how gracious you are.

1174
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: And you know, in my case, I don't have to

1175
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 3: fake it because I am stoked and I do appreciate

1176
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: you know, the opportunity they've given me, and make it

1177
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 3: very clear that like you are thrilled to haunt this

1178
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 3: place and you're very thankful, and it'd be like, you know,

1179
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 3: if you were a guest on a podcast and you

1180
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: were like, man, market was a pleasure, This was so

1181
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 3: much fun. Thank you. You've got a beautiful show here. Yeah,

1182
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 3: I had you know the time of my life. I

1183
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: really appreciate you lending me a be a guest here,

1184
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: and yeah, next time I would love to do this again,

1185
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 3: if you'd allow me to hunt again in the future,

1186
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: be a guest and again in the future, you know,

1187
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 3: would mean the world to me.

1188
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: Well. Still, here's the thing though, now I don't know, like,

1189
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: are you just saying that because you want to get

1190
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: invited again in the future or did you really enjoy it?

1191
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, Mark.

1192
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 3: If you don't know, then I think I did a

1193
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 3: good job.

1194
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: You did, Spencer, Thank you.

1195
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 3: Thanks Mark.

1196
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: All right, that is a wrap. Thanks for tuning in,

1197
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 2: thank you for being a part of this community, thanks

1198
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: for making this something that I'm excited about every day.

1199
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: And I'd say, until next time, let's stay wired to Hunt.